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---Logopened Sun Oct 20 00:00:12 2013
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00:04<Powermaniac>Are there any guides on building Debian from scratch for a new processor architecture?
00:05<themill>the wiki has information on bootstrapping and the lists of packages that need to be compiled to do so
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00:05<Powermaniac>themill: Okay I shall continue looking around and reading. If I don't find it I shall tell you.
00:06<themill>There was a GSoC project (last year?) on how to work out this ordering and develop the tools to help the process. That information should also be on the wiki
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00:09<che>you could also look into the yocto project if you're building for embedded architectures/devices
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00:11<Powermaniac>che: Yeah I was looking at Yocto as well. But I'm not yet sure what to go with still reading up on it all
00:11<Powermaniac>che: Prefer Debian if possible, but will go to Yocto if it works out easier
00:12<mat8913>Hello everyone, after upgrading to the lateset pulseaudio in Debian Wheezy, my bluetooth headphones no longer work.
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00:12<mat8913>blueman connects to them but it doesn't show up in pulseaudio
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00:14<che>Powermaniac: I've never used Yocto but I heard good things about it from a buddy that uses it it. But I have gone through the debian wiki process and it worked for me for cross-building an ARM image from a x64 machine
00:14<Powermaniac>che: Oh okay, can you point me at the particular wiki page you used to do so?
00:15<Powermaniac>che: SEe I'm wanting to build Debian for OpenRISC/the OrpSoCv3 open source architecture design
00:17<che>ahhh very interesting... Can QEMU run that arch?
00:17<Powermaniac>che: Let me check with the developers, I am pretty sure it can though remember them talking about it
00:19<Powermaniac>che: Might be waiting a while they seem to be busy/or asleep...
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00:19<Powermaniac>che: I'm sort of a newbie to all of this in a way. My plan is to use OpenRISC/ORPSoCv3 as the basis for a fully open source computer
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00:20<Powermaniac>che: But I need to wait till I ahve the funds to get an FPGA board to play with. So I was trying to come up with other ways I mgiht help
00:20<che>I can't find a debian wiki page of what I did but it was along the linges of setting up a root directory for it, then somehow chrooting to it with QEMU
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00:21<che>Powermaniac: but now that I know what you're after that would be too high level for you, since I started with the ARM build, instead of building the ARM from scratch
00:22<Powermaniac>che: Maybe, I might have a lot of support from the developers/a university with it...So, not entirely alone.
00:22<Powermaniac>che: Make that a probably*
00:23<che>I mean high level as in not close enough to the hardware, not as in possibly over your head :P
00:23<Powermaniac>che: Oh...xD
00:23<SamB>good luck on the price
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00:24<che>Powermaniac: that is a fairly significant undertaking
00:24<che>is there a compiler for that arch yet?
00:24<Powermaniac>che: Ha yeah I seem to choose huge projects all the time
00:25<Powermaniac>che: Well they have the linux kernal running on it...Not sure if they have a bootloader for it yet
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00:26<SamB>yeah, if you are loading onto an FPGA board it's easy to cheat isn't it ...
00:26<che>oooooh ok
00:26<che> has some smaller FPGA dev boards
00:27<che>not sure how many gates or whatever you need for the reference implementations but could be worth checking out
00:27<Powermaniac>che: Yeah I mgiht be getting a DE0 Nano soon, or if I wait longer a DE2 115 or Digilent Atlys FPGA board
00:27<Powermaniac>che: QEMU is running OpenRISC
00:28<Powermaniac>But it is slower then the Javascript simulation
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00:31<che>We'll, what you're after is at a level that I have very little knowledge about
00:31<che>the debian wiki page for building the installer might be a good start
00:31<Powermaniac>Okay thanks
00:32<che>getting the kernel running in QEMU would be a good start, then you can set up the toolchain in there
00:32<SamB>building the installer is probably a lot closer to the LAST step in porting it ...
00:32<Powermaniac>SamB: what would the first step be then?
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00:34<allen>I'm using Debian with KDE and if I install fluxbox would that negatively impact on KDE or are the two DEs self-contained?
00:35<Powermaniac>Okay I need to hop on over to my debian boot so. Be right back
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00:35<SamB>well, you need to cross-build stuff ...
00:36<SamB>you'd presumably be using debootstrap long before you get debian-installer working
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00:37<SamB>but before that can work, you'd need the most basic library packages built ...
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00:38<Mortix>hi everyone, i just installed debian for the first time, as i can see it comes with kernel 3.2,i want to upgrade it to 3.8 so i can install the latest graphic card drivers... it should be ok or it's not recommended to change the original kernel version?
00:38<che>SamB: yeah I was just going to ask what repository would it point at
00:38<SamB>anyway I suppose this is probably more on-topic at #debian-devel
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00:41<che>powermaniac: you missed this
00:41<powermaniac>che: Thanks and sorry about that
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00:47<allen>I'm using KDE now and want to install Fluxbox to try out. Will installing it negatively impact KDE or are the two DEs self-contained?
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00:48<SamB>allen: I didn't think fluxbox was a DE
00:49<SamB>allen: anyway it seems unlikely that having it installed will confuse KDE, but if it somehow does, removing it should clear things up again
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00:50<allen>oops it's a WM. Okay I guess I'll just give it a try. Thanks
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01:06<jned>how do I accept incoming mail and forward it?
01:06<jned>I have exim
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01:16<dualbus>jned: you want to forward it where? all to a single account? or map accounts in a diff. domain?
01:17<jned>just one specific email account to a specific gmail account. But receiving emails in the first place is the first issue
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01:19<dualbus>jned: what port are you listening? can you telnet to that port from an external machine? do you have DNS MX records setup properly for your domain?
01:19<jned>dualbus, no, never setup mx records
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01:21<jned>dualbus, I need to setup a port for listening for email first eh?
01:21<dualbus>jned: so, if you plan to receive mail in your box, you first need this: if your domain is, you have to setup an MX record for that domain
01:21<dualbus>jned: well, that too.
01:21<dualbus>so, the MX record could be the same domain, let's say it's
01:21<dualbus>then you have to tell exim to listen for incoming connections on port 25.
01:22<dualbus>or 587, IIRC, for TLS connections
01:22<jned>how do I setup exim to listen for email?
01:22<jned>on a port I mean
01:22<dualbus>sudo apt-get dpkg-reconfigure exim4
01:23<dualbus>that should ask you to configure exim4 and then you set it up as an internet site.
01:23<jned>dualbus, I did that, I didn't see any option to setup listening port
01:23<dualbus>ah, it seems it's exim4-config
01:23<jned>I did set it up as an internet site, I can send emails out, but I can't receive them
01:24<dualbus>read it all, or skipt to the part that talks about /etc/default/exim4
01:25<jned>dualbus, oh yeah, there it is, thx
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01:25<jned>but I have a vps, do you think port 25 maybe blocked, I can test with telnet right?
01:28<dualbus>jned: ehm, EC2 I know it rate-limits port 25, I'm not sure about your provider. With EC2 it works though, it just times out frequently so you might lose email.
01:28<dualbus>It's the ISP that might be an issue, for example, I can't telnet to my email machine, because my ISP blocks traffic on port 25.
01:29<jned>dualbus, what port can you telnet too, I'd have to first install telnet right, I have ssh but I never tried to telnet yet
01:29<jned>I don't think I have telnet daemon installed
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01:30<dualbus>jned: telnet, nc, whatever you use to send raw data to a TCP port will work.
01:31<dualbus>jned: no, I mean the telnet client that comes already installed
01:31<dualbus>telnet your-machine 25
01:31<dualbus>or nc -v your-machine 25
01:31<pxr09>i currently have kernel: 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 i686 GNU/Linux and would like to update to the newest in wheezy backports but i came across two versions, one says linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae and the other is bpo.2 what's the difference?
01:33<suberimakuri>Hello, just put old software raid1 debian wheezy 32bit hdd's into a new box and did new debian wheezy 64bit install and am getting invalid arch independent ELF magic. have md0 swap, md1 root, md2 data.... also have 2x1GB partitions at start of disks reserved bios boot
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01:34<suberimakuri>just catching the end of that dualbus/jned... netcat is pretty good
01:34<dualbus>suberimakuri: so you have binaries from a 32bit wheezy, and you're trying to run them in 64bit wheezy?
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01:35<dualbus>what program gives you that error message and when you do what?
01:35<jned>dualbus, says no ports to connect o
01:35<jned>inverse look failed
01:36<suberimakuri>sorry dualbus, fresh 64 bit install on formatted md1 as /.... md0 as swap (too late), md2 as /data
01:36<suberimakuri>forget the 32bit stuff it's long gone.
01:36<dualbus>jned: check with an email server that's know to work, your ISP might be blocking your 25 port.
01:36<suberimakuri>I just can't remember what I did last time this happened and didn't bookmark/write down
01:36<dualbus>suberimakuri: which program is giving you that error?
01:36<jned>dualbus, i see, ok, thx
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01:37<suberimakuri>dualbus: grub boots into in rescue mode. set shows prefix=(md/1)/boot/grub.... root=md/1..... which looks fine
01:37<suberimakuri>ls /boot/grub shows all the files I think I should expect..
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01:39<jned>if I am logged in as how do I check email for
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01:40<jned>with mutt
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01:42<dualbus>jned: what? how did you pass from your original question to this one?
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01:43<jned>dualbus, well, I made that change you mentioned, since port 25 might be blocked by my ip, so now I want to test it, maybe it works now, but sending an email to the account, but I don't know how to check the email for that account
01:43<jned>I added that SMTPLISTENEROPTIONS='-oX 465:25 -oP /var/run/exim4/'
01:44<jned>actually, I can omit the 456: part eh
01:45<dualbus>well, then you can test if you can connect to the 465 then, and that will do it.
01:45<jned>in my /etc/email-addresses I have two accounts: and
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01:47<jned>hmm no ports to connect to still
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01:54<suberimakuri>maybe I need to boot something and do another grub install to individual drives MBR..
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02:00<cxdb5>i ran an apt-get command to download and install a newer kernel from debian and now when i restart the computer grub doesn't show linux, only windows... any idea how to fix this?
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02:04<cxdb5>all i have is the grub command prompt
02:05<suberimakuri>cxdb5: doesn't still show you the old kernel? or did you remove it?
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02:09<suberimakuri>grub rescue> ?
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02:35<suberimakuri>oh well, going through reinstall and have added EFI partition, hopefully this time no issues.
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02:52<suberimakuri>that was too easy, just added EFI partition... ahh, new computer/tech
02:52<suberimakuri>thanks dualbus though
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02:58<Leo>My name is Eric 5-8
02:59<Leo>I hope your al right
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03:00<Leo>I have seen your writing ITS AMAZING
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03:37<ck>i need some with ubuntu
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05:44<lukey>Hi folks - Is there a way to add mount options to System Managed USB Devices that do not have entries in FSTAB? gnome-disks GUI does list the devices
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06:07<tony>hola hello
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06:08<tony>una ayudita con icewm por favor
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06:10<tony>hello gnuk
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06:21<debianer_>I´ve a camera which will not mounted if I plug it in. Under "lsusb" the camera is listed.
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06:36<TobiX>debianer_: What does "gphoto2 --about" say?
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06:46<tony>hola una ayuda sobre icewm???? no molestare mucho
06:47<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
06:48<tony>ok thank
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06:51<abdalla>hi guys
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07:13<tony>help icewm menu please
07:14<debianer_>TobiX: I haven´t installed gphoto2 yet. I´am running Debian Wheezy with XFCE.
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07:15<tony>no I have install debian whhezy with icewm
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07:20<debianer_>TobiX: gphoto2 --about says nothing special.
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08:11<halit>naptın knki
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09:07<alf>question: I am running debian amd64 testing with xfce, wh I plug in an external disk it gets mounted under /media/usb0 instead of /media/<username>/<label>, can you help?
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09:22<Makaveli>Hi all. I've got a problem with network bonding + bridge + VM's. When the machine boots, the (autostart) VM's don't have a network connection, but the physical machine has. If I shut down the VM's, restart the network and start the VM's again, the network is working.
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09:26<zloy>Hello I am from Russia!
09:27<mustapha>hello i'm from moroco
09:28<zloy> Who from Russia?
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09:30<Che-Anarc>zloy Russian?
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09:30<zloy>Who can teach how to use Auditing?
09:30<themill>perhaps you were looking for #moocows for general chatter
09:30<Che-Anarc>zloy auditing what?
09:30<zloy>из Россия я
09:31<zloy>Che-Anarc I'm from Russia
09:32<alf>I need some help wit udisks2
09:33<alf>external disk gets mounted on /media/usb0 instead of /media/<username>/<label>, can anyone help?
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09:43<Makaveli>anybody experience with bond/bridge and KVM guests?
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09:54<AfterDark>Anyone have problems with AppArmor on Jessie?
09:54<AfterDark>Here's what happens when I run aa-status:
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09:59<ung>anyone know how to install Segoe UI font from MS? I have the ms-ttf package but I don't find the font. I search on internet and I don't find anything
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10:02<lostson>older pc running amd xp 2600+ cpu MHz 2079.743 should I install the 686 version or 486 ?
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10:10<m0zilla>Hello, I got a problem with people attacking one of our serv, and looks like I cant find a decent iptables rules, someone may help please? I got the .cap file
10:10<abrotman>m0zilla: call your ISP
10:11<m0zilla>its on a dedicated server, so im pretty sure a simple iptables rules xcan fx it
10:11<m0zilla>I do not have any lag or smth
10:11<m0zilla>its just crashing Garrys Mod serv
10:12<m0zilla>and looks like all packet are similary
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10:13<abrotman>m0zilla: call your hosting company
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10:13<m0zilla>not opened :(
10:14<AfterDark>m0zilla: DDOS?
10:14<AfterDark>or just from one IP?
10:14<m0zilla>looks like, a ton of ip, but its take less than 5mb bandwitch
10:14<m0zilla>its just spamming the same packet
10:14<m0zilla>for crashing a serv
10:14<m0zilla>others serv are fine
10:15<AfterDark>How many are we talkin here?
10:15<m0zilla>blah a lot more than 300 prob
10:15<AfterDark>Totally different or from the same subnet?
10:16<m0zilla>tcpdump show length 21
10:16<m0zilla>but when I block packet with 21 (iptables)
10:16<m0zilla>its still happen
10:16<m0zilla>totally different
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10:17<AfterDark>I don't know exactly what this kind of server requires, but you can drop packets if they start to get spammy. There's a limit switch in iptables.
10:17<m0zilla>I tried but looks like I can make a rules works correctly :/
10:18<AfterDark>Are you sure that your rules are loaded? as root, type iptables -L
10:18<m0zilla>ye im sure
10:19<m0zilla>here my rules
10:19<AfterDark>please use :P
10:19<abrotman>m0zilla: call your hoster, you can't stop this
10:20<m0zilla>Dropping packet should be enough
10:20<AfterDark>abrotman: You sure that's necessary? My understanding is it's not a DDOS per se, but it's an attempt to send a certain packet that crashes a running server.
10:20<m0zilla>its doesnt fill at all my bandwitch
10:20<m0zilla>or using cpu
10:20<m0zilla>my dedicated is rly fine
10:20<m0zilla>even full attacked 10% cpu
10:21<m0zilla>and bw used is less than 5mb
10:21<m0zilla>btw cant paste bin
10:21<m0zilla>since its only 1 line
10:21<m0zilla>/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -d ip -p udp --dport port -m length --length 21 -j DROP
10:21<m0zilla>ofc ip / port changed
10:21<m0zilla>if I remove -m length --length 21
10:21<m0zilla>its correctly drop every connection
10:21<m0zilla>but with it, it dont do anything
10:22<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
10:22<AfterDark>So the packet in question is 21 bytes?
10:23<m0zilla>with tcpdump, it say
10:23<m0zilla>UDP, length 21
10:23<m0zilla>so I guess yes
10:23<dvs>!tell m0zilla about enter
10:23<AfterDark>Try putting in 20:25 just to see what happens. That will block the whole range just in case.
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10:25<m0zilla>Sorry dvs. AfterDark, even with this, the problem still happen.
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10:26<AfterDark>I'm not sure what the problem is. That iptables line should block all UDP packets between 20 and 25 bytes in length, and your malicious packet seems to be 21. No idea why it's not working.
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10:27<m0zilla>Do you wish to take a look of the captured file? I may fail somewhere
10:28<AfterDark>Sure. Put it in the Debian paste bin and I'll take a look.
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10:29<m0zilla>I tried, looks like I cant upload it there, I got the following error Could not insert paste into db: ERROR: invalid byte sequence for encoding "UTF8": 0xd4c3
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10:31<AfterDark>Hm. I have no idea.
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11:24<thumble>hi, why do I get all this weird funk around lightly-coloured fonts?
11:24<thumble>this is from the GIMP, but i've also noticed it on some text in firefox (e.g. while dragging white links).
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12:10<spider_>how is everybody
12:10<spider_>just need some little help here
12:11<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:13<spider_>am using blackbuntu amd i managed to connect to the internet. i can use my brower to browse. but it seems the apt-get command is not working. i need help with that pls
12:13<spider_>apt-get update failed
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12:13<spider_>to connect to repositories
12:14<abrotman>spider_: this channel is for Debian support, not Ubuntu support
12:14<spider_>oh, ok
12:14<abrotman>spider_: try #blackbuntu on
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12:14<swordfish>hello, I would need some help with moving folders across partitions and changing mount points, can anybody help?
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12:18<stderr>swordfish: What's the problem?
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12:22<spider_>nobody is there abrotman
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12:24<walken_>spider_: just try #ubuntu on
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12:24<stderr>spider_: That's one of the problems when you use a less known distribution. It's hard to get support.
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12:26<swordfish>can anybody here help me with a partition and mount point issue?
12:26<stderr><stderr> swordfish: What's the problem?
12:26<swordfish>I have a partition that I want to scrap (its a copy of my root partition that I have no idea how it got created)
12:27<swordfish>I cannot move this partition, it is stuck between the biosgrub partition and another partition
12:27<swordfish>so I want to format it, and take a folder from my root partition, such as /var (or any other you may suggest) and move it to this partition, and give it its mound point in my partition table.
12:27<swordfish>can this be done?
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12:28<stderr>Yes. What filesystem were you planning on using on that partition?
12:28<swordfish>Ext4, like all my other partitions I'm using for linux. I have a dual boot system (OS X)
12:29<swordfish>I presently have a root partition and a /home partition both in Ext4
12:29<stderr>What's the name of the partition? (And what's the name of your root partition? Just to be sure it's another partition.)
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12:30<swordfish>in parted, it has no name or flag, its only /dev/sda4 ... my root partition, mount point / and no flag is /dev/sda5
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12:31<stderr>You're sure it's not an extended partition with sda5 inside?
12:32<swordfish>I don't think so because it has similar contents to my root partition, but the contents are an older version of my system
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12:32<swordfish>unless this is the backup partition used by grub if I want to bood into an earlier version (as selectable when you choose advanced boot options)?
12:33<stderr>And one of sda1, sda2 or sda3 is an extended partition?
12:33<swordfish>what do you mean by that?
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12:34<Xylon>hi, is there a simple way to get info docs for all installed programs?
12:34<Xylon>because there's lots of missing docs
12:34<stderr>swordfish: sda5 is not a primary partition, it has to be in an extended partition (sda1->sda4), since sda4 is your / partition, it can't be that one.
12:35<stderr>swordfish: I'm just trying to be sure, we're not going to destroy your system...
12:36<stderr>swordfish: Put anyway, if you're sure sda4 can be formatted: mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda4
12:36<swordfish>Partition Table: gpt
12:36<swordfish>Number Start End Size File system Name Flags
12:36<swordfish> 1 20.5kB 210MB 210MB fat32 EFI system partition boot
12:36<swordfish> 2 210MB 105GB 105GB hfs+ Untitled
12:36<swordfish> 3 105GB 105GB 1049kB
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12:40<swordfish>stderr, are you on this channel?
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12:41<swordfish>sda1 - /boot/efi, sda2 - OS X, sda3 - unknown 1MB partition, sda4 - "root copy" not mounted, sda7 - bios_grub, sda5 - root, sda6 - swap, sda8 - /home
12:41<swordfish>and they are in that order... 1 2 3 4 7 5 6 8
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12:43<stderr>swordfish: Odd order, but as I said: mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda4
12:44<swordfish>ok, so I can format that no problem. how do I go about moving a folder from the root partition to the new one and give it its mount point?
12:45<swordfish>and what folder should I move? /var ? /bin ?
12:45<stderr>I would do it from a live CD. Just mount the new partition somewhere, move the files, unmount the partition and change /etc/fstab.
12:45<stderr>You can't have /bin on another partition.
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12:46<stderr>You need /bin doing startup, before the other partitions are mounted.
12:46<stderr>Same with /etc and /sbin.
12:46<swordfish>which one is the largest folder that can be on a seperate partition? /var?
12:46<stderr>You could move /usr or maybe (part of) /var
12:47<stderr>Maybe /var/log. Or /tmp or /var/tmp.
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12:48<stderr>Or big is the partition?
12:48<swordfish>it's a 10gb partition
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12:50<stderr>swordfish: /tmp or /usr would probably be my first choice.
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12:50<swordfish>looking at my /usr partition, its more than 3gb ... I think that is the best choice
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12:51<swordfish>alright. I'm off to war with this. thanks for the help! time to back up and fire away.
12:51<stderr>Good luck...
12:51<swordfish>thanks! I'll come back sometime in the next couple days if my computer survived. lol
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13:13<swordfish>stderr, are you still around?
13:14<swordfish>ok. so I formatted the partition, no problem. When I booted from a live USB key, I could not copy the folder to the new partition, since I am not the owner of the folders in /usr ...... how do I go around this?
13:14<stderr>Become root. Either using su or sudo.
13:15<stderr>BTW: Others can answer too. :-)
13:15<swordfish>duh. I mounted -rw as sudo, but I tried to copy from a window manager which was not sudo ...... how n00b of me!
13:15<swordfish>lol ok. second try. thanks
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13:59<user1>isnt the official channel of debian is on freenode as #debian? '
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14:01<abrotman>does it matter?
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14:03<user1>abrotman, there are 2 places?
14:03<user1>not just one for all to speak?
14:04<dario^CIP>#debian on freenode seems pretty empty to me
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14:04<dario^CIP>debian has always™ been on oftc
14:04<dario^CIP>hm no.. there are actually people there..
14:05<dario^CIP>the official site says oftc though, so at least i'm partly right :
14:05<abrotman>dario^CIP: no, it hasn't always been here
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14:05<abrotman>there is no "official" channel, the best you can say is that points to OFTC
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14:05<dario^CIP>yah, and
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14:06<user1>dario^CIP, debian on freenode has more users than here
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14:06<user1>dario^CIP, ok
14:06<user1>using kubuntu. I just rebooted and I see a message when I just entered password saying "call to lusertemp failed, temporary directories full? check your installation" but I have 4 g free on / . I just checked it by rebooting to console by recovery mode, by df -h"
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14:07<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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14:09<user1> i saw that error in debian too. once
14:10<abrotman>use the Kubuntu support
14:10<ompaul>user1: as I said in the other channel what caused it on your kubuntu makes it outside our area of expertise
14:11<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:11<abrotman>maxi: english here
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14:24<user>Test 2
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14:42*ivanoov hi :)
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14:51<Zollo>it's my first time in here
14:51<Zollo>ina irc chat
14:51<Zollo>how it worsk
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14:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
14:52<dpkg>methinks debian is See
14:52<ompaul>Zollo: this is not a chat channel we have #debian-offtopic for that but even that is quite today
14:52<ompaul>Zollo: this is a tech support channel for the debian gnu/linux distribution
14:53<ompaul>what is it quite, it is quite quiet :)
14:53<Zollo>ahh ok ok tks a lot
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14:54<Zollo>anyway if i have any kind of issues ,now i know where i find better answares :D
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14:56<redder>any good programs for proxying internet connections on debian?
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14:57<abrotman>for http traffic, or everything?
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14:57<redder>abrotman for everything
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14:57<abrotman>so like a router?
14:58<Johnny_Demonik>Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze-updates_main_source_Sources - open (2: No such file or directory)
14:58<abrotman>not sure if squid does everything, or just browser traffic
14:58<redder>abrotman im not sure what the proper terminology would be
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14:58<Johnny_Demonik>thats what i get everytime i use apt-get install "something"
14:58<Johnny_Demonik>how would i correct this
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14:59<abrotman>Johnny_Demonik: pastebin your sources.list
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15:02<Johnny_Demonik>freshly installed VPS im not understanding the issue
15:02<Johnny_Demonik>never had a issue with these ppl either
15:03<Zollo>have a good day ..bye bye :D
15:04<redder>abrotman are you familiar with installing and configuring squid?
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15:04<abrotman>Johnny_Demonik: those sources are broken .. your VPS provider gave you those?
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15:05<Johnny_Demonik>anyways ok where should i get ned ones?
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15:06<Johnny_Demonik>can i use wheezy?
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15:07<abrotman>redder: not in years
15:08<abrotman>Johnny_Demonik: probably something you sohuld ask your provider
15:08<Johnny_Demonik>well i could just do dist-upgrade :-)
15:10<ompaul>redder: what are you trying to do
15:10<Johnny_Demonik>its a ramnode vps
15:11<redder>ompaul learn how to correctly proxy internet traffic on a debian platform, and linux platforms in general
15:11<Johnny_Demonik>i need to install build-essential
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15:11<Johnny_Demonik>hrm .......
15:12<ompaul>redder: apt-get install squid and start from there, the config file is huge as are the options for it.
15:12<redder>ompaul ok thanks much
15:12<redder>dpkg bell
15:12<dpkg>To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>, <metacity bell bug>.
15:13<Johnny_Demonik>oh ya all fixed
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15:13<ompaul>redder: my advice is simple, get it working locally, then start to do things like look at caching CDs you download (i.e. increasing the size and duration of the stuff that lives on it.
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15:13<ompaul>redder: then look at allowing windows boxes download from windows update
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15:13<redder>does anyone know how to permanently disable the bell that sounds when you hit delete PERMANENTLY? i can disable it, but every time i restart my computer it turns back on....
15:13<ompaul>redder: at that point you will be somewhat useful with it
15:14<redder>ompaul windows boxes?
15:14<ompaul>redder: microsoft computers
15:14<ompaul>as opposed to real debian
15:14<ompaul>squid can have fun, so can you.
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15:15<redder>ompaul i dont understand why i would be looking at MS computers
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15:15<ompaul>redder: to let that data pass should it ever be a useful thing on a network you are configuring
15:15<ompaul>redder: also don't let people outside the network connect to it (that one is kind of important)
15:15<redder>ompaul ok fair enough
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15:16<redder>ompaul maybe i will understand more what you are referring to once i am a bit deeper into squid. does squid just proxy http traffic or all internet traffic? (smtp, ssh, https, ftp, etc)
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15:19<ompaul>redder: that looks like you want to be a router, not a proxy
15:19<ompaul>redder: and I wonder if it is a proxy you want to be
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15:19<ompaul>at all
15:20<redder>ompaul ok so what kind of router would you recommend for debian?
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15:20<ompaul>redder: how many network cards have you got plugged into the machine
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15:20<ompaul>redder: btw the answer will be the same
15:20<redder>ompaul, not sure, how do i check?
15:20*ompaul laughs
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15:20<redder>ompaul, what answer will be the same?
15:22<ompaul>redder: you want to learn how to use iptables :)
15:22<redder>ompaul, and is learning iptables part of squid?
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15:23<ompaul>redder: no, squid is for web traffic and ftp
15:23<ompaul>you could do something bad to https but it would most likely not work correctly for you
15:23<redder>ompaul, ok so then what should i be looking at?
15:23<ompaul>redder: iptables :)
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15:25<redder>ompaul, but iptables is the name of the file, right? what program should i look at installing?
15:25<ompaul>redder: it;s already installed read this and have fun
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15:25<ompaul>redder: I'd love you to write down what you expect this proxy to achieve.
15:26<ompaul>redder: because mostly I think the phrase "you can't get there from here" will apply, that is what you think you can do and what can be done are different and may have some security implications you won't want to deal with
15:26<redder>ompaul, i just wanted to learn how to proxy all my internet traffic, like this IRC feed, http traffic, ftp traffic, how to proxy my skype client, how to proxy torrents,
15:27<AfterDark>Proxy it through what?
15:27<redder>AfterDark, though another computer
15:28<AfterDark>Use OpenVPN?
15:28<linuxator>redder, vpn
15:28<ompaul>openvpn is one of the most useful tools to go from a to b
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15:28<AfterDark>OpenVPN is really the best solution for this kind of thing.
15:29<redder>AfterDark, ompaul fair enough then, so squid is just for http traffic?
15:29<AfterDark>Squid does FTP and also some other stuff, too, but OpenVPN is best for what you want.
15:30<ompaul>redder: openvpn is a point to point method to move your data and make it appear as if it is coming from somewhere else
15:30<redder>ompaul, and squid?
15:30<ompaul>redder: that's not what I said you should really look at it -
15:30<ompaul>it may help
15:31<redder>ompaul, in what way?
15:31<AfterDark>Squid has a bunch of really neat uses, but it doesn't accomplish 100% of what you want.
15:31<ompaul>redder: no, go look at it
15:31<AfterDark>I don't think you can put IRC traffic through a Squid proxy.
15:31<AfterDark>(Maybe you can, I don't know.)
15:31<ompaul>redder: I told you it has a long config file
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15:31<ompaul>AfterDark: I've never seen it, but I dare say it could be adapted for any traffic on any port
15:32<ompaul>but the work vs other tools might not be useful
15:32<ompaul>redder: apt-get install openvpn and check the openvpn web site for good clues on how to make it work
15:32<AfterDark>ompaul: I agree. OpenVPN is the easiest way to make sure all your data goes over the secure link.
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15:33<AfterDark>Does Squid resolve DNS requests too?
15:33<ompaul>AfterDark: however I will point out, that I don't think redder really knows what redder want's it seems to be a match ...
15:33<AfterDark>ompaul: I get what he's saying I think.
15:33<ompaul>AfterDark: it can do a lot with both identd and dns it uses it
15:34<ompaul>but its not a dns server - dnsmasq might help with that
15:34<ompaul>but then again depends on what you are doing / your objective is
15:34<redder>ompaul, AfterDark so what are the advantages of squid then?
15:34<ompaul>redder: google read and work out if it is what you want, it is a http proxy essentally
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15:35<ompaul>if you don't know what that is read about it, wikipedia will have more information in a useful fashion than irc will
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15:35<AfterDark>redder: Squid is most often used in a large-scale network to provide a caching proxy with policy restrictions.
15:35<redder>AfterDark, ah ok
15:35<ompaul>AfterDark: or home networks where you have a few machines running squid
15:36<AfterDark>So if you were doing IT for a business, you might install a Squid proxy to make sure that certain sites like YouTube were inaccessible.
15:36<ompaul>so you don't redownload lots
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15:36<AfterDark>ompaul: Yep, that too.
15:36<ompaul>AfterDark: to try and make sure that some sites are blocked
15:36<ompaul>(stupid proxy sites)
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15:36<ompaul>so run a blacklist of known proxies
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15:37<AfterDark>I know that some people use squid with a VPS to provide some browsing privacy (sites will see the VPS IP, not yours), but all in all, OpenVPN is a more comprehensive solution to that.
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15:42<redder>AfterDark, ompaul so then squid isnt what i want, but now i cant remove it...
15:43<AfterDark>redder: why not?
15:43<ompaul>apt-get remove --purge squid
15:43<ompaul>redder: if you installed it the debian way
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15:43<redder>AfterDark, cuz i wanted to learn about all TPs at the moment
15:43<ompaul>redder: if not you need to work out how you installed it and how to chase down everything that happened and reverse it
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15:44<redder>ompaul, ive tried that command, it keeps failing
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15:44<redder>ompaul, oh, looks like ur right, just has to be 'remove' before 'purge'
15:45<ompaul>redder: when you abbreviate things remember this
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15:45<redder>ompaul, ugh
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15:46<AfterDark>lol :p
15:46<SiriusLi>xfce is fun. :p
15:47<AfterDark>I used xfce for eeeeeeeeever
15:47<AfterDark>until I switched to kde :P
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15:47<ompaul>redder: because I work with about 70 computers most of them running linux using openvpn IPtables squid and lots more ... and I have no clue what TPs means cuz that is something someone made up I guess
15:48<ompaul>tinternet proxiez or something
15:48<ompaul>AfterDark: you are too old to laugh at that :)
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15:48<AfterDark>I never matured past 12
15:48<SiriusLi>i have some older pcs, and xfce is good to them. i use ubuntu for my one laptop cuz eh, unity works, and its good for office use, which is like my only actual need for a pc.
15:49<redder>ompaul, but iptables is NOT a program right? its just a file that you manually configure?
15:50<ompaul>redder: oh dear me, have you not been reading the right stuff again?
15:50<SiriusLi>i have got debian stable in a vm though, so if i want to use good ol debian i can, and still keep my pretty ubuntu.
15:50<redder>ompaul, been reading everything that time permits me to read
15:51<AfterDark>I don't really "get" Ubuntu tbh.
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15:52<ompaul>redder: read this you can run it on the command line, last command in last order followed, if you disconnect yourself from the box / internet you may need to restart with a known good setup (check out iptable-save and iptables-restore)
15:53<SiriusLi>imho its just another desktop environment. i have no grudge against it, even after using pre-unity ubuntu (Hardy in a vm). both pretty, and i guess stuff tends to change over time.
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15:53<Human_G33k>if you want and if you don't know there is a good book it's now free
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15:53<SiriusLi>kde is lovely also- but then , im a fan of pretty much every DE around that uses a mouse.
15:53<ompaul>Human_G33k: +42
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15:53<Human_G33k>thx :)
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15:54<ompaul>it can be ordered online and should be by those who aspire to run debian imho (actually not much humble in there)
15:54<AfterDark>You know what OS had a good interface? BeOS.
15:54*ompaul pates AfterDark red and yellow and can't find AfterDark any more
15:54<SiriusLi>also just to put it out there, im connected to several other channels, so if i dont respond for a while, just say my nick.
15:54<SiriusLi>like Haiku?
15:54<AfterDark>ompaul, did you just hot dog stand me?
15:55<AfterDark>Windows 3.1 style?
15:55<ompaul>AfterDark: hehehe
15:55<ompaul>beos was teh pretty though
15:55<AfterDark>SiriusLi: Yep, Haiku is a pretty accurate successor.
15:55<SiriusLi>im partial to OS X too- ya its not free, but its fancy and fast.
15:55<redder>i dont think haiku will ever raise enough money to get people onboard though
15:55*ompaul thinks AfterDark and ompaul should go talk in #debian-offtopic and drag some others with them
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15:56<AfterDark>this did get a little offtopic :P
15:56<SiriusLi>oh, this is like a help only thread? my mistake. sorry :p
15:57<ompaul>SiriusLi: join that other channel and we will answer your question (given we are there)
15:57<SiriusLi>yessir :p
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16:04<redder>im running the xfce gui on a netbook and want to know how to maximize my battery life for when im unplugged, suggestions?
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16:07<redder>abrotman, that website doesnt seem to exist
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16:07<cae>is there a way to open a gzip compressed file transparently, like losetup?
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16:08<cae>I'd like to work at images from '# gzip </dev/sda >sda.gz' without uncompressing them
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16:08<abrotman>redder: well, that's a shame
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16:10<cae>abrotman, redder: well, it once existed:
16:10<abrotman>yes, i know
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16:11<GreenMartian>Hi, trying to get network manager to hold a saved OpenVPN ca.crt beyond the current session, but it won't save it's location after a reboot. Any ideas? Thx
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16:15<Xylon>hi, how come Debian has inferior hardware acceleration performance that ArchLinux on my ASUS Eeepc?
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16:15<Xylon>I want to fix it
16:15<redder>has anyone ever tried OneSwarm?
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16:18<babilen>Xylon: performance at what? which hardware?
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16:19<Xylon>Xylon, on Debian I get graphic artifacts if I try to watch 1080p videos or use desktop effects
16:20<Xylon>on Parabola I don't
16:20<Xylon>I'm read /var/log/Xorg.0.log to try to tell if it's using a different drive
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16:21<Xylon>hm they both seem to be using the same driver
16:22<Xylon>maybe because the driver in arch is newer?
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16:22<Xylon>I wonder if I can just copy over the binary and it will work?
16:22<Xylon>worth a try I guess
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16:24<Xylon>LOL, Xorg crashed instantly when I copied over the file
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16:25<Xylon>I think I'm gonna have to reboot because it's now not detecting my external monitor
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16:26<GreenMartian>Considering a new PC, but has an InteI chip, rather than AMD. Would anyone be able to comment on Intel's RDRAND vs AMD relative to any rumored NSA involvement with Intel?
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16:27<Xylon>aw, dude...
16:28<Xylon>I really should've backed up the old driver befre I did that
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16:29<Xylon>I mean, now I have NO hardware acceleration
16:29<allen>Xylon, maybe you could help me. I just installed debian on my EeePC, how do I go about finding out what graphics driver, if any (propreitary, open) I have installed?
16:29<cae>is there a way to open gzip compressed images transparently as block devices, just like losetup? I'd like to work at images from '# gzip </dev/sda >sda.gz' without uncompressing them
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16:30<babilen>Xylon: If you need a newer driver you'll have to upgrade the entirety of Xorg, you cannot simply copy over a file and hope that that would work. (which it obviously didn't)
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16:30<babilen>dpkg: tell Xylon -about wheezy->jessie
16:30<Xylon>allen: well, my Eeepc has an intel graphics chip (built into cpu), so I just do grep intel /var/log/Xorg.0.log
16:30<cae>allen: "$ lspci -nnk | awk '/^[^\t]/{a=0}/VGA/{a=1}a{print}'" should print relevant information
16:31<cae>(it effectively prints the VGA line and all following indented lines)
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16:33<DimaKami1ski>How to stop deluge icon upon download from blinking?
16:33<abrotman>kill the program
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16:35<ompaul>recode it
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16:36<allen_>cae, your command just returns ">"
16:36<allen_>What's that mean?
16:36<cae>allen_: then you missed some quoting
16:36<abrotman>it means you copied one of the quote,s not hte other
16:37<allen_>oh it's with quotes? I was removing those
16:37<cae>are you sure it's ... awk '...' ? with both the ' ?
16:37<allen_>one sec
16:37<cae>the outer " are meant to be removed, but not the inner '
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16:38<cae>(press Ctrl+C to return to the normal prompt if there's still '> ' at one line)
16:38<allen_>I got it now :) one sec, I will paste the info
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16:39<allen_>00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Wrestler [Radeon HD 6250] [1002:9805]
16:39<allen_> Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:84a4]
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16:40<allen_>how can I tell if a driver is installed by that info?
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16:41<cae>allen_: um, I'd assume it's on the last line, on my machine it would be "Kernel driver in use: radeon"
16:41<cae>but I'm not sure what the kernel's doing if there is no such line
16:41<allen_>hmm okay, maybe there is nothing installed?
16:42<allen_>When I upgraded to Testing I got a notifcation about how I might need new drivers because of the updated kernel
16:42<cae>yeah... I've just checked on an box with old S3 card, there is no such line and it does only 800x600... probably some fallback mode
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16:43<redder>any other good ways for debian xfce to extend battery life on a netbook?
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16:44<allen_>Thanks Cae. I think I will soon try to add the open source driver ("fglrx" I think). Do you know if there some standard process to do that?
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16:46<cae>allen_: fglrx is non-free, radeon would be free. See or
16:46<Xylon>can I install a video driver from sid into my wheezy system?
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16:46<allen_>Oh okay, thanks a lot for all the help :) I will try going there
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16:54<testi>I have a self-created package in 2 versions on my own repository created with reprepro: "" "". Locally I have "" installed. After uploading "" I expected that dist-upgrade would discover version "" and overwrite "". But it doesn't download the new package. The previous change ("" to "") went through flawlessly. Any ideas?
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16:58<mshuler>testi: did you actually update the repo metadata?
16:59<mshuler>just dropping the package there will not do it ;)
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17:01<mshuler>on the other hand, you said reprepro.. so I assume you did reprepro includedeb or similar, which should update the repo.. 'apt-get update' on the client, perhaps?
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17:03<cae>is there a way to open gzip compressed images transparently as block devices, just like losetup? I'd like to work at images from '# gzip </dev/sda >sda.gz' without uncompressing them (I asked that half an hour ago)
17:04<mshuler>testi: 'reprepro --basedir /path/to/repo listmatched <suite(unstable)> <pkgname-glob>*' would list the versions in the repo or 'reprepro --basedir /path/to/repo list <suite>' for everything
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17:09<Xylon>OK, question
17:09<Xylon>I compiled the sid version of xserver-xorg-video-intel for my wheezy system, and installed it
17:09<Xylon>but it's worse than the old version...
17:09<Xylon>so how do I go back?
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17:10<Xylon>cos when I do apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel it sias: xserver-xorg-video-intel is already the newest version.
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17:11<Xylon>and with --reinstall it sais: Reinstallation of xserver-xorg-video-intel is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
17:11<Xylon>and I can't uninstall it wothout it taking hundreds of things that depend on it
17:12<mtn>Xylon: I suppose you would have to uninstall everything you upgraded and then download wheezy replacements. Don't know if it will work or not.
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17:12<mtn>Xylon: downgrading is generally not supported in debian
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17:14<Xylon>actually, I found a way: dpkg -r --force-depends xserver-xorg-video-intel
17:14<Xylon>and then just re-install
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17:53<amoe>How would I get my laptop to run a script when suspending and waking up from suspend?
17:54<amoe>I am triggering the suspend from GNOME.
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17:55<mzx89>does anyone know the command to check which version of a package exists in a particular repo, for example stable vs testing
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17:56<mzx89>thanks for the website but i said command
17:57<mgv>mzx89: rmadison?
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18:00<mzx89>thanks anyways
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18:10<abrotman>rmadison was the right answer .. hope he tried it
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19:01<Crash-OD>Hey question can i take all 3 dvds of 7.20 and put it on one usb key to install on some computer systems?
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19:07<lynton>hello. I am new, so don't understand the etiquette of IRC yet.
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19:08<Crash-OD>hi lynton
19:08<lynton>hi. Thanks for welcome. Is there a channel for new users of Debian that might be helpful for me?
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19:09<Crash-OD>lynton i only know of this channel for debian though others may be able to help you out.
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19:12<lynton>Ok. I find the Debian forums a bit intimindating. lol. I have spent all night searching and trying stuff to get my usb stick to mount. Sorry, thats the level of ignorance I am at.
19:14<Crash-OD>im no better i used debian for little while but i learned if your not changing them out offten just to restart computer with it in and it will mount it
19:14<lynton>thanks. A tip I shall try.
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19:15<abrotman>lynton: which WM or DE do you use?
19:15<lynton>gnome 3
19:15<Crash-OD>lynton i just found
19:16<lynton>I installed that earlier
19:16<lynton>will take a look at the page though.
19:17<abrotman>lynton: it should just mount
19:18<lynton>I know! lol. It doesn't seem to though. My computer detects the usb though.
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19:19<Crash-OD>i will be back going to look around more to see if i can find way to use one usb drive to have all 3 iso on it for installing
19:20<lynton>I also tried "mount /dev/sdb -o uid=lynton,gid=lynton"
19:20<webscrapper1>anyone know of a good steam game?
19:20<webscrapper1>im on ubuntu..
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19:23<redshadowhero>dpkg: tell webscrapper1 about ubuntu
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19:28<webscrapper1>is debian superior to ubuntu?
19:28<SamB>many of us think so
19:29<SamB>at least, for our needs
19:29<redshadowhero>But, you're also asking in a channel for debian. I'm sure the opposite might be true in the ubuntu channel.
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19:30<webscrapper1>well theres no on in there to defend it!
19:31<webscrapper1>hey, so is debian good for web dev?
19:31*SamB tries to avoid doing much that would be so categorized
19:32<webscrapper1>are you a hacker mister?
19:32<webscrapper1>"cyber security expert"
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20:10<pedro>esta alguien alli
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20:11<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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20:20<xren>Can someone help me with setting up a second monitor in Crunchbang?
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20:23<abrotman>xren: #crunchbang-linux on
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20:29<lynton>I am finding Debian a little hard going.
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21:09<jned>my exim4 setup doesn't accept emails. I choose 'internet site' from the dpkg-reconfigure exim4-conf menu and I can send emails but incoming emails are bounced. Anyone know what to do?
21:12<LtL>jned: read the logs
21:12<petemc>what does the log say?
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21:14<jned> R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp [2607:f8b0:4002:c02::1a] X=TLS1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA1:16 DN="C=US,ST=California,L=Mountain View,O=Google Inc,"
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21:15<linuxator>jned, directory is set on 755?
21:16<linuxator>change it to 755
21:18<linuxator>must be rwxr-xr-x
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21:18<jned>chmod 755 /var/mail/sha
21:18<jned>like that?
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21:21<jned>but when I did manual email, exim -v \n From: ... it worked
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21:23<jned>no still didn't work
21:23<jned>what the code to change it back?
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21:28<LtL>jned: yes, 600
21:28<jned>LtL thx
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21:41<Hyperborean_Ro>is there a way to only play the audio fromt the youtube in terminal ?
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21:43<abrotman>without downloading it?
21:44<Nemoder>Hyperborean_Ro: you can use something like cclive to extract it
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21:44<Hyperborean_Ro>i dont wanna download it just play the audio version of it..
21:45<Nemoder>maybe something like this
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22:19<jned>anyone used exim as an internet site and were able to receive incoming emails?
22:19<jned>retrospectacus, you did it?
22:19<retrospectacus>no, not me
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22:20<jned>dpkg-reconfigure exim4-conf has only 9 screens. Care to try? Do you have a server on a public ip you can test?
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22:22<retrospectacus>not really. I read your messages above. What does the bounce message say?
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22:23<jned>unknown user
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22:29<retrospectacus>are you sure your server is the registered MX for It seems to be some
22:30<jned>retrospectacus, oh, I have to set up mx records in my domain registrar settings, thx
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22:35<lol>hé hé
22:35<lol>as will?
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22:35<jned>hows it goin
22:36<lol>so good
22:36<jned>couldn't be better
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22:37<lol>hé hé
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22:41<lol>that you´s are doing now
22:41<abrotman>perhaps you want #moocows
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22:44<lol>what are you now
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22:45<abrotman>lol: do you need help with Debian?
22:46<lol>who is debian?
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22:48<abrotman>lol: please see, and use #moocows for general chat
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23:23<Noskcaj>mhall119, Can you update to show the fridge as the main blog and saucy as the current release?
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23:37<darkeyes>Help! I have a ppp0 connection to the internet, the ISP only provides an private IP, and they control the router with the External IP. Is there any way to do a port forwarding
23:39<Nemoder>do they give you access to the router?
23:40<Nemoder>then probably not. unless you can find what settings they use and bypass it entirely
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23:42<darkeyes>so besides what you are suggesting me, there is no way that I can do it without having access to the router?
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23:43<dualbus>darkeyes: how did you expect that to work without having access to the router. Either you port forward in the router, or replace the router with one that you can port forward.
23:44<dualbus>But if you replace it, you'll have to send the credentials from the new router.
23:44<darkeyes>Ok I think I'll get a DSL connection, that will be better
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