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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-10-22

---Logopened Tue Oct 22 00:00:13 2013
---Daychanged Tue Oct 22 2013
00:00<LtL>redder: more like a 'blink'
00:00<redder>LtL, dualbus that seems just as annoying
00:00<dualbus>redder: now. You can disable the sound of the bell, for audible bell, by disabling the pcspkr module, or muting it.
00:00<dualbus>redder: it actually isn't.
00:01<redder>LtL, dualbus, is i disable the pcspkr module, will i still be able to head sound if i stream a video for example?
00:01<redder>if*
00:01<LtL>redder: its not, quite sublime
00:01<dualbus>redder: yes.
00:01<LtL>redder: yes
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00:01<dualbus>redder: the blink is actually very useful, and not annoying at all.
00:02<redder>dualbus, in what way is it useful?
00:02<dualbus>Also, if you press backspace, and see that thing blink, then stop pressing backspace!
00:02<dualbus>redder: it works as a notification mechanism, and it's really simple.
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00:02<redder>dualbus, i suppose i can try it
00:02<dualbus>In my case, when I'm using 'screen', and someone talks to me by IRC, it tells me about it.
00:03<redder>dualbus, that i already have, when someone types to me in the IRC the tab blinks
00:03<dualbus>Or if I'm in another workspace in dwm, and someone talks to me, I get a nice notification, because I have the 'urgent on bell' setting.
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00:03<dualbus>redder: well, I'm just telling you how it's useful for me.
00:03<redder>dualbus, sure, i can try it
00:03<redder>so how do i set that
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00:04<LtL>jeep: which province
00:04<LtL>sorry, ignore that
00:05<redder>LtL, i am in the wiki you sent, but it says that i have to comment-out the line that says "set bell-style none" and comment in "set bell-style visible", problem is that both lines are already commented out
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00:05<dualbus>redder: just do the blacklisting thing.
00:05<LtL>redder: i didn't send you any link
00:05<redder>LtL, oh yeah sorry
00:06<dualbus>redder: it seems like you have reading comprehension issues, it was me who sent you the link, it's a forum, and I told you to read the #3 post, which talks about blacklisting.
00:06<redder>dualbus, by angryfirelorg?
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00:06<dualbus>redder: that one.
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00:08<redder>dualbus, terminal gives "Error: Module pcspke is not currently loaded"
00:08<dualbus>redder: can't you see the typo?
00:08<dualbus>(hint, it's not pcspke)
00:09<redder>yeah
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00:11<naz>I need help, after installing a package from "Apper" in Debian KDE, my mouse cursor keeps blinking. I have no clue what the problem is, and it's getting quite annoying.
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00:13<redder>dualbus, i didnt work, and yes, i checked the spelling
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00:19<dualbus>redder: I don't know, I personally muted the damned thing with alsamixer. So... w/e
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00:20<allen>Anyone know if Iceweasel 24 will be in Testing soon, or how I'd find that out?
00:21<SamB>huh, I'm surprised bold is allowed in here ...
00:21<allen>my font?
00:22<SamB>allen: it looks like it failed to build on ia64 and so won't migrate until either that is dealt with or ia64 is dropped
00:22<SamB>hmm, also there appear to be a few new bugs
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00:23<SamB>which are also enough to prevent the migration
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00:24<SamB>allen: this all from the output of "grep-excuses iceweasel" (the tool comes from the devscripts package)
00:25<SamB>the PTS also shows some such information
00:25<allen>oh okay, thanks for the info. As for bold fonts, I have all my system defaults set to bold to aid viewing text on a netbook, so it's unintentional haha
00:25<allen>PTS?
00:26<SamB>!pts
00:26<dpkg>from memory, pts is the Debian "Package Tracking System": http://packages.qa.debian.org/ a place where you can find the current status and some of the history of a given source package. http://packages.qa.debian.org/packagename for information on a specific package
00:27<allen>okay got it. Thanks for all the help.
00:27<allen>I'll try there next time.
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00:28<SamB>obviously feel free to ask again if you have trouble understanding what you see
00:29<allen>=)
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01:48<Raul>Seriously, MATE is my best alternative? What was wrong with Gnome 2?
01:49<TheKMan>I liked GNOME 2.
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01:50<Raul>Me as well. In fact, I'm not sure I can tolerate Gnome 3 any longer.
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01:51<TheKMan>I gave up on Linux desktop GUIs for the most part. Now I use a fullscreen terminal in Fluxbox 99% of the time.
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01:54<Raul>Hm. Well, personally I'd prefer a GUI. I'm trying to figure out if there's any decent reason why people on the forums would be claiming there's no way to revert to gnome 2.
01:55<TheKMan>I would assume they mean no way to do it automatically. I imagine you could always compile it yourself.
01:57<TheKMan>In my own defence, you'd be amazed how productive you can be with one terminal window, DVTM, and text-mode apps.
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01:58<Raul>I have witnessed it, I just can't do it.
01:59<jeep>awesome is pretty neat change from the usual gui's
02:00<Raul>awesome?
02:00<Raul>Though it's the "neat" and "change" parts of Gnome 3 that bother me...
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02:01<jeep>http://awesome.naquadah.org/
02:02<jeep>its in the repos for jessie not sure about wheezy
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02:02<jm_>it has been in squeeze already
02:02<TheKMan>Someone smarter than I am should take up the CDE and Motif code and pretty it up a bit. CDE was rock solid back in the day.
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02:02<Raul>Does the screenshot on that page show a setup with 9 workspaces?
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02:03<jm_>yes
02:03<Raul>WHY
02:03<jeep>more is better
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02:04<jm_>I guess 9 is enough for that person, I use 10 in my setup (not using awesome) :)
02:04<Raul>TheKMan here is working with just a terminal, but someone out there needs 9 workspaces
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02:04<Raul>I barely understand having 2 separate workspaces. What's wrong with minimizing windows once in a while?
02:04<TheKMan>No, I use a fullscreen terminal emulator on top of X. I can run GUI apps and have workspaces if I need to.
02:05<Raul>but you don't, do you?
02:05<TheKMan>Well, sometimes I put a maximized web browser on one workspace, and GIMP on another.
02:06<Raul>You spoke of efficiency. Nothing about 3+ workspaces says "efficient" to me
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02:06<Raul>but to each their own
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02:06<jm_>and minimizing windows all the time is efficient?
02:06<TheKMan>But anyway, I agree that GNOME 2 should still be available as an option. What, C and C++ just stop compiling one year?
02:06<dcraig>number of screens goes inverse with salary
02:07<themill>TheKMan: it can, actually. And the code won't be compatible with the newer versions of the libraries and people have to do security support for those packages.
02:07<themill>TheKMan: It costs time and effort to have packages in debian. If no-one volunteers to do the work, the packages are removed.
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02:08<TheKMan>Oh, I get that, and that's a perfectly good reason - if nobody wants to do the work, you can't leave dead code hanging about.
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02:09<csotelo>hello debianers.. I have an OT, please don kicc me
02:09<jeep>what is OT?
02:10<jeep>TheKMan: i miss kde 2.2 i dont think i can go back though
02:10<Raul>That would be one of my bigger concerns with compiling something to specifically run gnome 2, getting any updates
02:10<TheKMan>If you compile it yourself, you're pretty much stuck updating it yourself.
02:11<csotelo>I have done a # cat /image/iso > /dev/my/external/drive and I have copy a debian iso cd to a external file with all my files.... I need some suggest on it for fin a way to restore and get back my files... id this possible... thanks
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02:11<TheKMan>I suppose if we wanted to deal with that, we'd all run Linux From Scratch.
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02:12<csotelo>any help? please
02:12<jeep>csotelo: so you over wrote your files ?
02:12<csotelo>yes.. no cat.. dd command
02:13<SamB>well, they're pretty much gone
02:13<TheKMan>csotelo: it's highly unlikely that you'll get your data back if you DD-ed an ISO image over the original filesystem.
02:13<jeep>csotelo: dd is nicknamed disk destroyer for a reason ;)
02:14<csotelo>omg!
02:14<TheKMan>csotelo: By "unlikely" I mean that there may or may not be bits of your files left that someone could recover if he knew how, but here's definitely no trivial way to fix that.
02:14<csotelo>OMG !
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02:16<TheKMan>csotelo: I don't mean to sound preachy at all, but this is exactly why it's vitally important to make and maintain backups.
02:17<jeep>that is a little like kicking him after he tripped
02:18<TheKMan>If so, I apologize.
02:18<csotelo>yeah... I usually do backups on my external disk.. but this moment I have done a mistake and use dd with my external instead my use pen drive...
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02:18<TheKMan>Who among us hasn't been there? I know I've wiped out my own data more than once. It sucks.
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02:20<jeep>csotelo: well maybe there is some positive from this did the install work ?
02:20<Raul>I haven't wiped anything in serious in ages, but I did low up a hard drive last month
02:21<csotelo>no.. there is not... I am getting crazy I have lost 800mb of infor :(
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02:22<TheKMan>I once fixed a friend's pooched USB flash drive by "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/$USB_DEV" then putting a new table on it. The sad part is that when I went to repeat the procedure on another usb flash drive, I set "of=/dev/MY_HOME_PARTITION" by accident. No recovering from that.
02:22<swordfish>hey, I have a question about UUIDs if someone could help me out
02:22<mgv>!ask swordfish
02:22<mgv>!ask
02:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
02:23<swordfish>alright
02:23<swordfish>I want to move a folder from my root partition to a new partition... the folder in particular is /usr
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02:23<swordfish>if I go play around in my fstab, is there a chance I can mess things up once I move the files over?
02:23<Raul>jesus, people calling bots in these support chats is far more irritating than users asking their questions in the form of two or three messages
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02:24<TheKMan>swordfish: you could, but as long as you don't delete anything, it should be recoverable.
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02:24<SamB>Raul: I blame whoever made the botmessage so verbose ...
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02:24<Raul>SamB: They're always like that
02:25<swordfish>thanks for the help.
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02:25<Raul>Anyone mind getting me started with installing awesome on wheezy?
02:26<themill>what's your real question?
02:26<jm_>try /msg dpkg anyone ; and then https://wiki.debian.org/Awesome
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02:28<Raul>Thanks.... I love how hit and miss IRC support chats are with being helpful. I'm looking into it myself at the moment, just wondering if anyone had any pointers.
02:28<jeep>Raul: just apt-get install awesome awesome-plugins .. then log out and pick it from the gdm login
02:29<themill>Raul: pointers for what? how to use "apt-cache search"? or how to become root to install packages? or ...
02:30<themill>support jeopardy is a pretty difficult game to play. (perhaps you should have read what dpkg said rather than complaining about it)
02:30<Raul>themill: See, jeep helping. I've never had need to switch GUIs after installing before, didn't know I could just use apt-get
02:31<Raul>Sure it seems obvious but I didn't know...
02:31<themill>great -- so that was your real question
02:31<Raul>that was the same question man
02:31<themill>Raul: you can just use apt-get to install the packages you want.
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02:32<csotelo>TheKMan, thanks.. but well I though I have lost my data :(
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02:33<TheKMan>csoleto: I'm very sorry about your data. I wish there was a way to fix that.
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02:34<TheKMan>csoleto: what is it you were trying to do when you used dd to write the image?
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02:36<Raul>themill: I'm just not sure I understand. What would dpkg tell me that would help with switching GUIs? I just asked what the first step was, and if there are only like two or three steps that should be a really easy thing to help with right?
02:36<csotelo>I have it connected to my laptop, I was need a install disk ina usb, then I put a usb flash disk and use dd to write the image at the usb and make a misktake on the typewriting and write the external disk instead the usb flash
02:36<themill>Raul: no, you didn't actually ask what the first step was.
02:37<themill>Raul: we don't know what you don't know. You need to articulate that to us or we just get grumpy
02:37<TheKMan>csotelo: Ah, you were trying to make a Debian installer USB drive. Handy thing to have.
02:38<Raul>themill: Okay now I'm completely baffled. How does "anyone help me get started?" not mean "what is my first step?" I get the feeling you were already grumpy.
02:38<csotelo>yes
02:38<themill>Raul: well read the questions I asked you: <themill> Raul: pointers for what? how to use "apt-cache search"? or how to become root to install packages? or ...
02:39<csotelo>I was trying to do that and make a mistake that drop all my backups
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02:39<TheKMan>csotelo: Yeah, I get that now. It's an easy mistake to make, and I think we've probably all done it.
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02:40<csotelo>welll I msut take care the next time on having my disk unplugged for not make mistakes
02:40<Raul>themill: I ask "what do I need to do" and you respond asking me what I want to know about what I need to do. I know how to do those things, I just didn't know that they were what I needed to do.
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02:41<themill>Raul: yeah, but you didn't tell us that
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02:41<Raul>themill: I guess not. I just found it weird that you assumed when I asked what to do, you assumed that I actually knew what to do but not how.
02:42<Raul>woops, you assumed a lot I guess
02:42<jeep>Raul: many many times people come on irc wanting help .. which is fine but by the time the ask what they think they need to know it turns out to be the problem is something else
02:42<TheKMan>csotelo: That's one way. If your disk is unplugged, you'd need a hammer to pooch it. My own preference is to automate the problem away. In your case, I think you should consider a remote backup service.
02:43<themill>Raul: I didn't assume that at all -- I was wanting you to tell us what bit was the actual problem so we would know what step to help you with
02:44<TheKMan>csotelo: I use one and love it. I'm not going to shill for them, but if you Google "cloud storage" you should find one that fits your needs.
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02:45<jeep>remote backups are not yet practical for large amounts of data .. technology has surpassed infrastructure in alot of ways
02:45<csotelo>I have own cloud... but for been hones I have neever toug that is better than a disk
02:45<csotelo>TheKMan, now I know that I must use it
02:45<Raul>themill: Can I make an analogy? Say someone asks you "how do I bake a cake?" Do you begin to answer by asking exactly what part of mixing a batter and buttering a pan they need help with or do you just say "mix the batter by the recipe and bake it" then go from there?
02:45<SamB>TheKMan: that could be useful if I ever want to store any clouds
02:45<themill>Raul: you asked "can anyone tell me anything about cakes"
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02:46<jeep>SamB: i suggest a mason jar with a lid!
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02:49<TheKMan>jeep: How much non-video data do you have? My own provider gives me 35GB for free, and as long as I keep my TV and movies off it, I can't come close to filling it.
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02:50<Raul>themill: You apparently mis-understood me to mean that, but what I really said was "can anyone get me started on baking a cake?" To which I expected an answer involving an outline of the steps required. Now, I don't want to take up any more time than I already have with a pointless discussion like this, but it is amusing that you actually answered my question by being snarkily asking for details
02:50<themill>*sigh* And here was I hoping that we'd get a better question next time.
02:50<Raul>themill: Just saying it would have been easier, considering that what I needed to do involved only a few simple steps, to just tell me those steps and ask if I needed any more help.
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02:52<jeep>TheKMan: i keep about 700gigs of various things on a external drive for personal use .. company i work for generates 10 to 20 tb of engineering data per day .. not practical to upload that
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02:55<TheKMan>jeep: At that level of data production, I fully agree that a local backup system is all that is practical.
02:55<Raul>Ran apt-get install awesome, working fine. However, it couldn't find "awesome-plugins." Is that a problem?
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02:56<jeep>Raul: one second
02:56<SamB>possibly running it on a different node of the network would be useful ...
02:56<jeep>Raul: awesome-extra
02:56<TheKMan>isn't it awesome-extra, not awesome-plugins?
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02:57<arief>halloo all
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02:57<TheKMan>Raul: one of the more useful commands for this type of thing is "apt-cache search [name]" - in this case, "apt-cache search awesome".
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02:59<swordfish>I am adding a partition to my fstab for /usr ... should I set the options for the partition as "defaults" or use a different option?
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03:00<TheKMan>swordfish: I'd just duplicate whatever options the partition that has the old /usr has.
03:00<swordfish>it was my root partition
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03:00<swordfish>so same options as my root partition?
03:00<TheKMan>swordfish: Yeah.
03:00<swordfish>thanks
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03:02<Raul>TheKMan: Thanks, I knew about the search of course. I guess it's just th effect of having people to ask that makes one less likely to try to find the answer... I wouldn't have been completely sure that "awesome-extras" what the package I needed anyway.
03:04<TheKMan>Raul: Yeah, I guess it does take some guesswork.
03:04<Raul>I'll be totally honest, I was still searching with aptitude whenever I was allowed to. haven't used gnu/linux since highschool...
03:05<TheKMan>Hell, I use aptitude all the time.
03:05<TheKMan>Hasn't done me any harm.
03:05<Raul>years ago everyone was saying "you should use aptitude, it's better than apt"
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03:05<themill>it is for some things; it isn't for others. Nothing wrong with using aptitude for searching
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03:06<TheKMan>I have a fondness for TUI/ncurses apps.
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03:39<elin>test
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03:41<Stummi>test failed
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03:49<Raul>okay so this is must be the dumbest thing that has happened all day
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03:50<Raul>Incidentally, I am not nearly enough of a power user to use the awesome GUI. More monitors would probably help but this is for an aging laptop
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03:51<Raul>But while switching to the GUI I noticed the GNOME Classic option..........
03:52<Raul>I kind of forgot Gnome 3 could do that.
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03:56<Raul>Two final questions though. Where do I set GNOME Classic as the default, and is there a way to get the integrated search feature of Gnome 3 to work in the classic mode with any measure of elegance? I know it's sort of a core feature for the regular gnome layout, but it is also the only decent feature. It would be nice to have the best of both.
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03:58<Raul>I guess I'm just looking for suggestions on the latter, I can probably find the answer to the first part myself on second thought
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04:04*ivanoov bonjour :)
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04:14<Raul>Well, that was all quite a bit easier than I expected. Still looking for a way to use the search/run feature in the GNOME 3 shell (or something similar) in the GNOME Classic layout. I'm not even sure what to call that search feature...
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04:23<Raul>hah. Reading Linus Torvald's remarks on the GNOME 3 Shell. Couldn't agree more, I just want to use the only useful feature (the search) in the "Classic" panel layout.
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04:39<Raul>Can I access the search feature used in the GNOME 3 Shell while I'm in GNOME Classic? I suppose I could try something like Synapse but it seems redundant considering how well gnome 3 does this already.
04:39<mgv>why does /etc/cron.daily/polipo give a pam error/warning ("su: No module specific data is present")?
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05:09<tuxcrafter>http://paste.debian.net/plain/60374 < does somebody know how to tune my kernel paramaters to get rid of the page allocation failures i get almost daily when running snapshots with dd
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06:05<holden87>Hi guys, one problem. I have SpiderOak backup installed, and it ran normally, but then i tried to run it once, and it just doesn't want to run. It does nothing, but create a cache file inside the .fonts.conf folder. I had an issue with .font.config file, which was empty in my home folder, so i deleted it, because i kept getting message: Fontconfig error: "~/.fonts.conf", line 1: no element found . Any help?
06:06<holden87>Would lit help if i copy the fonts. conf file from my root fonts folder to my home folder?
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06:12<jm_>you mean .fonts.cache?
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06:13<holden87>no, in my home folder i had a font.conf file, or something like that. and it kept saying the line is empty in that file, but then it created a folder font.conf, and inside were files cache129846318925318754 and so on
06:13<holden87>i don't know why it doesn't try to take the fontconfig from my root folder
06:14<jm_>you can simply rename that file to test
06:14<jm_>because users can customize fontconfig behaviour etc.
06:15<holden87>which file?
06:15<holden87>i mean, how do i get the program to start, that's my enigma here :D
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06:15<jm_>~/.fonts.conf
06:16<holden87>i rename it to .test?
06:16<jm_>just something so the tools don't find it - it's just a simple way to rule it out
06:17<jm_>not necessarily the right fix
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06:19<anon>fa'das
06:19<anon>hell
06:19<anon>fuck
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06:19<anon>sorry
06:20<anon>hello
06:20<anon>hi
06:20<anon>anybody here?
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06:24<jm_>holden87: did you regenerate the cache as user or as root?
06:24<holden87>yes
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06:24<holden87>as root
06:25<holden87>actually as su
06:25<holden87>i presume that's root
06:25<jm_>did you try the same with user?
06:25<holden87>no
06:25<holden87>should i?
06:26<jm_>well if user's files are corrupted and if that's preventing it from running ... - I don't quite understand which files were corrupted
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06:26<holden87>bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found
06:26<holden87>i get this
06:27<jm_>what are you trying to run?
06:27<holden87>spideroak
06:27<jm_>why would you run dpkg-reconfigure then?
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06:27<holden87>because you asked me if i tried it as a normal user
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06:28<holden87>to reconfigure
06:28<holden87>font files
06:28<jm_>no, I asked you to fix your fontconfig cache as user
06:28<holden87>huh
06:28<jm_>you use fc-cache command for that
06:28<holden87>oh jeez,
06:28<holden87>hmm, how do i do that (sorry for being a pest :( )
06:29<jm_>try fc-cache -h
06:30<holden87>ok, so i'd say try this? -r, --really-force erase all existing caches, then rescan
06:33<jm_>yeah
06:34<holden87>nenad@holden:~$ fc-cache -r
06:34<holden87>Fontconfig error: "~/.fonts.conf", line 1: no element found
06:34<holden87>it says this
06:35<jm_>rename the file
06:36<holden87>into anything?
06:37<jm_>no, don't overtite your other files
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06:37<holden87>ok, thanks
06:38<holden87>will post
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06:38<holden87>nope, spideroak still won't run
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06:39<jm_>then I don't really know, it seems some binary tool - perhaps strace might help some
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06:39<jm_>check if they have support options or somesuch
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06:49<holden87>jm_ :
06:49<holden87>it still doesn't work
06:50<holden87>the difference is only that now i don't get anything
06:50<holden87>as a result when trying to run spideroak from terminal as a normal user
06:50<jm_>I said this when you left -- then I don't really know, it seems some binary tool - perhaps strace might help some
06:51<holden87>ok, i'll try to find it in the wiki
06:51<holden87>thank you for your help!
06:51<jm_>no worries
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06:55<JonB>to get PAM support I compile my own CVS package using apt-get source cvs. I just compiled it today and installed the resulting .deb file. However, apt-get upgrade STILL tells me to upgrade the CVS package. All package versions are the same 1.12.13+real-9
06:55<JonB>why does apt-get upgrade do this despite having installed the same version?
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06:57<deanL>I'm having a problem with installing a package which uninstalls something that i don't want to be remove. Is this the place for help?
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06:57<jm_>JonB: that's how it works, update the version of your package (man dch)
06:58<JonB>jm_: I do not fully understand what you mean with "update the version of your package"
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07:00<jm_>JonB: before you build it, run dch with appropriate option to change the version of the package it will generate (i.e. add -local at the end or whatever)
07:00<jm_>well not "it will", but "that you will build later"
07:00<JonB>jm_: okay, thanks for the explanation
07:00<jm_>JonB: --local is the switch IIRC
07:01<JonB>jm_: but what then happens when Debian actually releases a newer version of CVS? will apt-get upgrade then alert me to the update?
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07:02<jm_>JonB: if you keep the same version and just append to it, then presumably debian's will be newer, but in worst case, yes it can happen it won't be upgraded
07:04<JonB>jm_: I would really like the upgrade to tell me that there is a newer package with a higher version number, or a security update
07:04<JonB>jm_: is it possible to use dpkg-buildpackage -v to change the version?
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07:07<jm_>JonB: it doesn't really matter which tool you use to change the version, the effect will be the same in all cases
07:07<JonB>hmm, okay
07:11<tuxcrafter> http://paste.debian.net/plain/60374 < does somebody know how to tune my kernel paramaters to get rid of the page allocation failures i get almost daily when running snapshots with dd
07:11<tuxcrafter>http://paste.debian.net/plain/60374 < does somebody know how to tune my kernel paramaters to get rid of the page allocation failures i get almost daily when running snapshots with dd
07:12<tuxcrafter>(sorry for the double post)
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08:16<anonymouz>hi guys
08:17<anonymouz>is anyone good with windows here ?
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08:17<Apollo>anonymouz: this is the DEBIAN help channel
08:17<Apollo>not the windows help channel
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09:59<sistem>on starting debian there is [[[B^ characters a lot of times . is it virus or what ?
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10:01<zumbi>usually a misconfiguration
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10:02<sistem>i use 7.2 debian which configuration missed?
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10:17<deux>Hola'0
10:17<deux>?
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10:18<Maulkin>!es-social
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10:18<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
10:18<Maulkin>Bah
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10:35<Chav>Any Alpine users here? I need some help setting it up with getmail to retrieve POP3 email. Doesn't seem to have a channel of its own.
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10:44<echo>!help
10:45<musca>hi echo
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10:49<echo>Hi musca
10:49<echo>Does anyone have a lot of experience with backporting?
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10:50<ixi>ask a real question
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10:50<echo>Well, I've been trying to backport a mud client from sid. Though, I keep getting hit with "Unable to satisfy dep" on something I know I have
10:50<echo>so, would it be fine to ignore that?
10:51<echo>I installed the dep manually
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10:52<musca>are you trying something like !ssb
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10:52<maxy>echo: Which dependency, is the version required available?
10:52<musca>!ssb
10:52<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
10:52<echo>Yeah
10:53<echo>it's... liblua5.1-dev
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10:54<echo>I'm not above error though. I might have done something wrong
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10:55<disposable>i have servers with mdraid mirrors of enterprise disks (with 7 second TLER). however, whenever a disk develops bad sectors, it takes 5-7 minutes to fully recover (reallocate sectors, soft reset + hard reset sata links, etc). During that time the load avg on my servers often goes >100 and i get crucified by customers. what can I do to make this faster? i don't care if it kicks the device out of raid, i just need the server to work.
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10:57<echo>well, here's how I tried to get it. i installed liblua5.1-0-dev
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10:58<disposable>an example of harddrive recovery from my syslog - http://pastebin.com/uhiCYkQS - this time it took 5 minutes
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11:02<maxy>!versions liblua5.1-dev
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11:03<musca>,v liblua5.1-dev
11:03<judd>No package named 'liblua5.1-dev' was found in i386.
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11:06<maxy>,v liblua5.1-0-dev
11:06<judd>Package: liblua5.1-0-dev on i386 -- squeeze: 5.1.4-5; wheezy: 5.1.5-4; jessie: 5.1.5-5; sid: 5.1.5-5
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11:06<echo>i have liblua5.1-0-dev
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11:08<echo>maybe I should install ALL liblua5.1 files
11:08<echo>who knows.. I'll install them
11:09<maxy>echo: Can you paste the error in a paste.debian.net page?
11:09<echo>sure.
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11:12<echo>http://paste.debian.net/60477/
11:12<echo>Yeah, installing all liblua5.1 files didn't do anything either.
11:12<echo>not to fix it anyways
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11:17<maxy>echo: That error is not really useful. aptitude is chocking with the virtual package.
11:17<echo>Yeah, I have the package that supplies it so, can I just ignore it then?
11:18<maxy>try using apt-get instead, if it fails, just check the build-depends field in the debian/control file in the source debian package. (which you'll need anyway)
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11:18<echo>Okay, I'll try with apt-get
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11:21<echo>okay
11:21<echo>apt-get didn't return that error
11:22<echo>thanks Maxy
11:22<echo>I proceeded to the downloading source stage
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11:23<maxy>echo: If possible, please, report the bug to aptitude (after checking it's not already reported).
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11:23<maxy>gota run
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11:25<neo1691>Anyone here developer in the gnome project? I want to know what packages should I install to start developing using gtk
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11:27<petn-randall>disposable: Looks to me as if the TLER setting doesn't work properly.
11:27<disposable>petn-randall: it does. this happens with various drives.
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11:31<petn-randall>disposable: Maybe the --delay option can be reduced in your case, not sure if it's relevant for this specific case though.
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11:43<disposable>petn-randall: if you mean --delay as mdadm option, then no, this does not apply in this case.
11:43<mshuler>disposable: I'd say that you might care about kicking the drive out of the mirror, due to the fact both drives appear to have issues ;) Using hardware raid controller is an option; setting up multiple app servers to share load, redirecting app timeout on $badserver to $otherserver, when needed during raid rebuild.. (I'm not familiar with TLER, just some other thoughts)
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11:45<mshuler>if your customers are this sensitive to minor issues, it's time to think about the architecture
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11:45<disposable>mshuler: this was just an example. normally, it is only one disk that reallocates sectors. it's ridiculous to have to wait for 5 minutes for recovery. HW raid isn't an option in these servers, it's 12 servers in 3U chassis.
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11:46<robinlp>hi everyone
11:46<retrospectacus>hi robinlp
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11:48<Forest>hi
11:49<disposable>mshuler: and load is shared, it is only a small subset of customers that are affected. but since these are sip telephony servers, whoever is in the middle of a phonecall, notices immediately.
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11:50<mshuler>disposable: ah, that makes sense - interesting problem
11:51<Forest>i have some pb to install debian on my laptop... anyone can help me?
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11:52<mshuler>disposable: you sort of make this sound to be a rather frequent occurrence - how often are you dealing with this problem - just curious if it makes sense to rethink/research hardware long term
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11:53<disposable>mshuler: on average, every 3 weeks i get a server lock up for 5+ minutes because of this. WD RE2, RE3 and RE4 disks.
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11:54<mshuler>disposable: across how many total blades?
11:55<Forest>i'm trying to install debian by usb but we ask me a for CD to install...
11:56<mshuler>Forest: did you cp the install iso to the usb drive, as per the install manual, or how did you create your install usb?
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11:57<mshuler>Forest: I'm asking if you did this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en
11:57<retrospectacus>Forest: please follow the directions here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03
11:57<retrospectacus>Forest: your problem is caused by using an unnecessary USB-creation tool like unetbootin
11:58<Forest>i'm trying with lili usb and many others but unsuccessfully...
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11:58<disposable>mshuler: it's about 20 physical servers, each with about 50 vservers (linux-vserver). Other servers I have run on SAS disks with HW raid HBAs without a problem.
11:58<retrospectacus>Forest: use the method described
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11:59<Forest>it's for dualboot with 7...
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12:00<retrospectacus>Forest: that doesn't change anything
12:00<Forest>And I tried many of solution proposed on debian and other forums
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12:02<retrospectacus>Forest: you can either keep saying all the things you tried that didn't work, and we will keep ignoring you, or you can try again using the correct method, which we know works
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12:05<mshuler>disposable: yeah, that's too often on so few servers, imo - that makes me suspect hardware.. could be disk firmware, sata controller wonkiness.. triggers md bad blocks and may not really be bad - I'd be very curious if different blade chassis, mb, disk manufacturer behaves the same - expensive testing ;)
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12:06<disposable>retrospectacus: had i not had this discussion with 2 other people this month, i'd find this quite funny.
12:06<Forest>i'm making it...
12:06<mshuler>disposable: but you also confirmed my own experience with hw raid being a better option when it's a critical service
12:06<retrospectacus>Forest: what command did you use?
12:07<mshuler>disposable: my discussion?
12:07<disposable>mshuler: discussiioin of Forest and retrospectacus
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12:08<mshuler>ah - thought maybe I was making you sad.. ;)
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12:10<disposable>mshuler: i'm simply interested in options for mdadm that may shorten the recovery process and kick disks out faster. I use supermicro hardware but i've had same long recoveries on HP servers with mdadm. ZFS on solaris handles this MUCH more nicely. There is almost no load increase and things continue working during recovery.
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12:14<mshuler>disposable: cool, so you've tested similar setup on different hw - that's exactly what I was trying to eliminate - sorry I can't help on tweaking mdadm :( I'm just enjoy hardware test and evaluation when given the time/dollars to do so
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12:17<mshuler>I'm not sure if there is a more specific mdadm-related irc channel that might be better, or if that's more a straight kernel sort of question
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12:40<rostam>hide, I have a system with two network interface, eth0 & eth1. Are there any doc to help how to change the scripts to configure these two interfaces, one for dhcp (eth0) and other one (eth1) with static IP address? thx
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12:43<rostam>retrospectacus, I need to replicate this configuration on all the alb system. So this has to be done as part of automated installation preseed/kickstart, How could I do this? thx
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12:43<Maulkin>rostam: You should be able to do it via pre-seeds and autoinstall I think
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12:44<rostam>Maulkin, any sample on how to do it? thx
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12:46<Maulkin>rostam: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed
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13:07<comander>hello
13:08<TheKMan>Hi.
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13:09<tuxcrafter>http://paste.debian.net/plain/60374 < does somebody know how to tune my kernel paramaters to get rid of the page allocation failures i get almost daily when running snapshots with dd
13:09<comander>how to i create a new debian based distribution? who is the live system on USB? its a project in school :D
13:11<mtn>comander: have you considered using a search engine for questions like those?
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13:12<TheKMan>comander: If you count Knoppix as Debian-based, it's pretty easy to remaster, as I think it comes with tools to do that.
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13:14<comander>phank you i do programing a new system and in i search in google , more manuals and who system are you ussing at the moment? I use anonymous OS :D
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13:16<retrospectacus>comander: what?
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13:16<TheKMan>comander: If you're asking what I think you're asking, I have a very heterogenous bunch of systems to manage. Mostly OS X desktops, a few Ubuntu notebooks, one stodgy Windows XP system, and a small group of Debian- and FreeBSD-based servers.
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13:17<comander>who system are you use at the moment ? [my bad english]
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13:17<retrospectacus>comander: debian
13:18<retrospectacus>comander: what is your native language?
13:18<TheKMan>comander: My own desktop dual-boots OS X and Debian.
13:18<comander>my native language is slovak [slovak republic]
13:19<retrospectacus>comander: do you have a debian support question?
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13:20<comander>I have installed a Debian Wheezy and Anonymous os but i install third system linux mint
13:20<comander>no dont have debian question
13:21<babilen>comander: Okay, we only support Debian in here and this is not a chat channel. (you want #moocows or #debian-offtopic for that)
13:22<TheKMan>comander: though if you do need a Debian-specific question answered, this is the place to ask it.
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13:24<comander>ok while good bye
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13:36<csotelo_at_work>hello people.. please I have a question. I have running my tor with firefox, however I couldnt se any onion site. I need you help, thanks
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13:37<retrospectacus>csotelo_at_work: this is Debian support. try the Tor channel
13:37<csotelo_at_work>well sorry, you are right, I ask here csue I have do that in my debian :)
13:37<csotelo_at_work>thanks}
13:38<retrospectacus>debian does not include firefox, nor tor iirc
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13:38<csotelo_at_work>retrospectacus, sorry, I mean iceweasel
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13:45<jeep>tor is in the repos
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13:47<jeep>csotelo_at_work: iceweasel ect all work with tor just need to manually configure the proxy settings
13:47<csotelo_at_work>jeep, I have add the proxy setting provided on debian repos.. I mean I just installed vidalia and tor
13:48<csotelo_at_work>and then start
13:48<csotelo_at_work>it is running well cause I have checken my ip
13:48<jeep>csotelo_at_work: its been a while since i did it make sure the tor service is running then your proxy is localhost:port ?
13:48<csotelo_at_work>however I was looking for the hidden wiki and iceweasel tell me "couldnt find the....oinio server"
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13:49<csotelo_at_work>jeep, sure...
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13:50<jeep>csotelo_at_work: go to a site like whatsmyip.com if the ip it shows you is not yours then its working
13:50<rebli>please help: after update I cannot login: I tried removing gdm3 and reinstall, no way: after restart blanck screeen with only the mouse arrow
13:50<csotelo_at_work>jeep.. that is ok.. the ip show and geoip is not me
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13:51<jeep>rebli: can you press alt control f2 and get a shell ?
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13:52<rebli>yes
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13:53<rickbol>can someone msg me the bot topic regarding migrating an install to a new partition?
13:53<rebli>jeep: yes
13:53<jeep>rebli: lspci | grep -i vga whats it say
13:53<jeep>csotelo_at_work: its working then
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13:54<rebli>jeep: please note that now I'm using X, I started it with startx
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13:55<rebli>jeep: 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C77 [GeForce 8200] (rev a2) please note I'm using the nouveau xserver
13:56<csotelo_at_work>jeep I need tor resolve hosnames in iceweasel
13:56<jeep>rebli: oh so its just gdm thats not working ?
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13:58<rebli>jeep: yes I think but the update involved X also... now I have started synaptic...
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13:59<jeep>rebli: you might be able to -purge gdm and reinstall it
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13:59<jeep>rebli: that will remove config files ect.
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14:00<kam>yay!
14:00<rebli>jeep: already done that: same result: blank screeen only mouse arrow...
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14:01<jeep>rebli: how about a dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 not sure if that has options
14:02<rebli>jeep: ok i'll try it, how reconfigure the xserver side?
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14:03<csotelo_at_work>jeep, I just need to do extra conf on remote dns to tor with iceweasel and it is ok now!
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14:04<jeep>rebli: dpkg-reconfigure pakage i dont remeber xserver exact name
14:04<jeep>csotelo_at_work: thats good
14:04<jeep>new kernel be back in a bit
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14:05<csotelo_at_work>jeep a tow user tell me "csotelo_at_work: iceweasel is the debian-branded version of firefox, it is not the same as firefox from the tbb"
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14:07<sney>csotelo_at_work: the ONLY thing changed is the brand.
14:07<csotelo_at_work>great!
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14:24<chan>how to install flash ?
14:24<sney>!adobe flash
14:24<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package . There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer. Try «update-flashplugin-nonfree --install» if the installation didn't seem to work or to update the plugin.
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14:41<mshuler>or install google chrome to use for flash sites - I do this so that there is no system flash plugin for other browsers.. just another option
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14:42<mshuler>huh, there is a pepperflashplugin-nonfree now, too
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15:05<sun>有中文社区没
15:05<ectospasm>!zh
15:05<dpkg>如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作!
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15:13<fektom>hello everybody
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15:13<fektom>I need help with debian 7.2, because I simply can not change umask
15:14<fektom>I've already read a lot debian page but got no success
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15:14<fektom>I've edit /etc/login.defs
15:15<fektom>shall I try another file to set up?
15:16<fektom>(/etc/pam.d/ contains not too much settings regarding to this problem)
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15:18<jeep>fektom: did you log out and back in ?
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15:25<retrospectacus>fektom: umask is set in /etc/profile
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15:28<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell fektom about umask
15:28<retrospectacus>there are some other tidbits there too
15:29<fektom>retrospectacus: However, /etc/profile says "the default umask is now handled by pam_umask. See pam_umask(8) and /etc/login.defs
15:31<fektom>retrospectacus: try to read it over
15:31<retrospectacus>mine doesn't say that, but check out the stuff the robot sent you
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15:36<fektom>retrospectacus: cat /etc/profile | grep umask
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15:37<retrospectacus>grep umask /etc/profile
15:37<retrospectacus>umask 022
15:38<fektom>retrospectacus: not same here
15:39<retrospectacus>no matter
15:39<fektom>maybe your version is upgraded. Mine is completely reinstalled
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15:40<fektom>try another reboot
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15:44<Alexander>kinners kinners :D
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15:44<Alexander>hi
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15:46<fektom>hy again
15:47<fektom>retrospectacus: new reboot with new thins didn't help toda
15:47<fektom>y
15:47<fektom>maybe tomorrow I'll try again
15:47<retrospectacus>did you ask the robot about "set default umask"?
15:48<fektom>yes
15:48<fektom>he gave me old directories and files to try to set in them
15:48<retrospectacus>and "umask" still outputs 0022?
15:49<fektom>0022
15:49<fektom>correct. I want 0077
15:52<retrospectacus>in which files did you specify that umask?
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15:55<fektom>only /etc/login.defs
15:56<fektom>but now I see some additional information on the homepage given by dpkg
15:56<retrospectacus>he also mentioned /etc/pam.d/common-session and /etc/gdm/Xsession
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15:56<fektom>yes-yes
15:57<fektom>cat /etc/gdm3/Xsession | grep umask has no output
15:58<mshuler>grep -i perhaps?
15:58<mshuler>(I don't have gnome)
15:58<retrospectacus>yeah, I don't have gdm(3) but I think this factoid is a little old
15:59<retrospectacus>how about grep -ri umask /etc/pam.d/
16:00<retrospectacus>(I get nothing; the factoid says to add a line)
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16:01<fektom>this is something I didn't do yet
16:01<fektom>your command has no output
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16:05<fektom>homepage sent by dpkg contains something like this: echo "session optional pam_umask.so usergroups" >> /etc/pam.d/common-session
16:05<fektom>a tried it
16:05<fektom>I'll come back soon
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16:10<fektom>hy again
16:10<fektom>IT WORKS! :)
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16:11<fektom>I added a line to /etc/pam.d/common_session like: session optional pam_umask.so 077
16:11<fektom>and works
16:11<fektom>thanks to everybody
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16:17<woutjek>I'd like to setup some thin clients that connect to my server (debian KDE, and a virtualbox running Windows7). I am thinking about getting some secondhand thin clients by dell, hp or wyse. Any recommendations for this?
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16:31<Deneb>hello everybody
16:31<Deneb>how do i get rid of both ati and nvidia control panels in debian 7.2 amd 64?
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16:33<Deneb>btw, first time visiting this IRC, therefore I have to ask: I this the right channel to address questions?
16:33<Deneb>is*
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16:35<mtn>Deneb: this channel is for debian questions
16:35<Deneb>thank you!
16:35<Deneb>i will use debian-live
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16:52<jeep>!ask Deneb
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16:58<per>Hi
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16:58<Deneb>Hi per
16:58<per>Jag har just installerat och börjat använda Debian
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16:59<per>I have just installed Debian and now chat
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17:17<rostam>HI I am trying to set up static Ip address on eth1. I know how to modify the /etc/network/interfaces for it. However, in Redhat we can create a single file "/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1" to do this. Is there such think in Debian? thx
17:19<Deneb>http://elinux.org/RPi_Setting_up_a_static_IP_in_Debian
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17:20<retrospectacus>rostam: no
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17:21<rostam>thx
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17:22<retrospectacus>rostam: you can use the "source" directive in interfaces to read external files
17:22<retrospectacus>that's kind of what you want
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17:23<nadir>Not that? https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Configuring_the_interface_manually
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17:23<retrospectacus>he wants a separate file per interface, aiui
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17:23<nadir>sorry, i misunderstood
17:24<retrospectacus>(we told him earlier how to set static IP)
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17:26<rostam>retrospectacus, thanks so much
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18:07<rostam>I tried to configure the eth1 interface on my system as static IP address using the method was suggested but it failed: paste.debian.net/60620 Not sure what is wrong? thx
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18:09<retrospectacus>source /etc/network/Kepler/*.cfg -- /etc/network/eth1.cfg ?
18:09<retrospectacus>typo?
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18:10<rostam>what I want is /etc/network/Kepler/{eth1, eth2, eth3}.cfg
18:10<retrospectacus>and "/etc/init.d/networking restart" is deprecated as mentioned.... networking isn't a service. Use "ifup eth0" or so
18:10<dario^CIP>hi
18:10<retrospectacus>rostam: but your file is /etc/network/eth1.cfg - no Kepler
18:10<retrospectacus>apparently
18:11<dario^CIP>is it possible the nfs "intr" mount option does not show up in the output of mount after using it?
18:11<rostam>retrospectacus, for eth1 then I should do "ifup eth1"
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18:11<retrospectacus>rostam: yes.
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18:11<retrospectacus>rostam: but /etc/network/eth1.cfg is *not* in /etc/network/Kepler/*.cfg
18:12<retrospectacus>rostam: if your paste is accurate, that is the main problem
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18:13<rostam>retrospectacus, I just copied the content of eth1.cfg to interfaces file and removed the source entry. then I typed "ifup eth1" I got this error: paste.debian.net/60623
18:14<retrospectacus>well, you actually typed "ifup eth1 up"
18:14<retrospectacus>and eth1 was already up
18:15<The_Paco>dumb question. I have kernel 3.2.0-3-amd64 running. I'm trying to install a program that says it want's the source for the kernel installed, but I can't find 3.2.0-3-amd64 source in the repo. What am I doing wrong?
18:15<rostam>sorry I am confused now, I did ifconfig eth1 down and I still get the same error.
18:15<retrospectacus>rostam: ifdown eth1; ifup eth1
18:16<rostam>I get this error now: "ifdown: interface eth1 not configured"
18:16<rebli>how can I cure the message "The repository information has changed" in synaptic?
18:17<retrospectacus>rostam: actually it's because you have a "gateway" on both interfaces
18:17<mtn>The_Paco: it is linux-headers. you can search for the right version
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18:18<mtn>The_Paco: it is already installed on my computer during installation
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18:18<The_Paco>huh, well when I do a softlink to that folder for this program it doesn't find what it's looking for
18:19<The_Paco>it wants me to softlink the sources to /usr/srs/linux
18:19<retrospectacus>rostam: you can only have one default gateway. If you want to set up routes through eth1 use post-up and post-down lines
18:20<rostam>retrospectacus, I am trying to find out how I did gateway for eth0, I can not see it ...
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18:20<retrospectacus>rostam: eth0 will acquire a gateway through DHCP
18:20<The_Paco>is there some documentation I'm missing that has all that kind of info spelled out?
18:21<rostam>retrospectacus, okay I commented the gateway for eth1 and I still get the silly error..
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18:22<retrospectacus>rostam: show us your interfaces file(s), "ifconfig -a" and your command and output on paste.debian.net
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18:22<ddavidd>lsit
18:23<retrospectacus>The_Paco: kernel source can be found in the linux-source package. what are you trying to install?
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18:25<The_Paco>a cloud computing client for work by insynq, called "vWorkspace Connector 7.0
18:25<retrospectacus>alright. Just not sure why it would need actual kernel source, not just headers
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18:27<The_Paco>it wants to build a USB redirection module
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18:28<The_Paco>even it's documentation says it wants the headers, but it's program whined that it wasn't the files it was looking for. I must have linked wrong somewhere, brb trying others
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18:29<retrospectacus>we could probably help you better if you just copy and paste the actual error(s) to paste.debian.net
18:29<The_Paco>that's half again the problem, it says it cannot compile it's module and to see buildlog.txt, and as far as I can tell buildlog.txt never gets made anywhere
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18:31<The_Paco>seems more and more this isn't a debian problem, especially if it should be okay with the headers
18:31<retrospectacus>have you installed build-essential ?
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18:32<rostam>retrospectacus, here it is: paste.debian.net/60631 thx
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18:33<The_Paco>ls
18:33<retrospectacus>rostam: eth1 isn't plugged in
18:33<The_Paco>dur
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18:34<retrospectacus>slash there is no error visible
18:34<rostam>retrospectacus, yes it is not plugged in, so that is the reason?
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18:36<retrospectacus>rostam: reason for what? you didn't show any error
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18:38<rostam>retrospectacus, sorry here is the errors: paste.debian.net/60635
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18:38<rostam>I plugged in the eth1
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18:39<retrospectacus>rostam: you seem to be appending words. the command, again, is "ifdown eth1" or ifup eth1
18:39<retrospectacus>rostam: can I see "route -n" as well?
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18:39<retrospectacus>before and after ifup eth1
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18:41<rostam>retrospectacus, here it is, paste.debian.net/60636 thank you.
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18:43<retrospectacus>rostam: you seem to be appending words. the command, again, is "ifdown eth1" or ifup eth1
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18:44<rostam>retrospectacus, I just did "ifup eth1" and I am getting the same error.
18:45<retrospectacus>I know, just saying
18:45<lymane>hi
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18:50<retrospectacus>rostam: have you modified /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
18:50<rostam>retrospectacus, after rebooting everything is working, and no I did not modified that rules
18:50<antimoof>a perhaps-to-probably silly question: why does installing nmap now want to pull in X libraries, and how can I make it not do so (short of recompiling it myself)?
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18:52<rostam>retrospectacus, not sure what happened but now everything is wokring,. thanks to your great help.
18:52<retrospectacus>ok
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18:55<retrospectacus>antimoof: no reason. Does it try to install X libs with "apt-get -f install"? Show us both commands and their output on http://paste.debian.net/
18:56<antimoof>ah, more digging shows it's this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=682062 (tl;dr: nmap now requires liblinear1, and the recommended packages for liblinear1 is utterly gigantic.
18:58<antimoof>http://paste.debian.net/60640/ if you want to see the gigantic list for yourself.
18:59<antimoof>guess I'll have to remove it from my preseed file for now. sigh.
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19:01<retrospectacus>I see
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19:27<ZIPY>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/74418992/nautilus.jpg <-- does someone know how to remove usb1 and usb0 from nautilus in the left? it has no link anyways
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19:29<retrospectacus>ZIPY: are they in /etc/fstab ?
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19:29<ZIPY>retrospectacus: oh yes they are, sdb1 and sdb2
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19:30<retrospectacus>you can remove them from there, should do it
19:30<ZIPY>now im suspicious how they went there
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19:31<ZIPY>ok thx i guess that will work on next reboot :)
19:32<ZIPY>but still dont get how those entries got into my fstab.. i think they appeared first after dist-upgrade
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19:33<retrospectacus>couldn't tell ya
19:34<ZIPY>strange, i did not enter those ^^
19:34<ZIPY>for sure... i would not mount sda1 and sdb1 and especially not under usb0 and usb1
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19:56<lipizzan>i've installed the driver for my wifi (iwlwifi), and lsmod lists it, but there is no interface listed with iwconfig. How do I get an interface defined?
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19:56<retrospectacus>check "ifconfig -a"
19:57<lipizzan>just eth0 and lo
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20:06<ZIPY>does nautilus search work for u?
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20:07<ZIPY>it seems like it doesnt find anything, i tried it on my desktop and on my notebook now
20:08<retrospectacus>lipizzan: can you run these commands and copy/paste them and their output to http://paste.debian.net : lspci -nn|grep -i net ; modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi ; dmesg|tail
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20:11<lipizzan>http://paste.debian.net/60658/
20:11<lipizzan>i see part of the problem
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20:12<lipizzan>I installed the firmware-iwlwifi
20:12<retrospectacus>that's correct, but you want to modprobe iwl4965
20:12<retrospectacus>!iwlegacy
20:12<dpkg>Support of Intel 3945 ABG/BG and 4965 AGN wireless LAN devices was removed from the <iwlwifi> driver at Linux 2.6.39. These are now supported by the iwlegacy driver, which provides the iwl3945 and iwl4965 kernel modules in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy
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20:22<AceFrahm>I'm having trouble getting my Debian Wheezy server with Exim4 & Courier-IMAP to accept e-mail for sending.
20:22<AceFrahm>Thunderbird is recieving e-Mail on the server over IMAP just fine, but it won't send.
20:22<AceFrahm>The server says telnet & smtp are listening on all interfaces.
20:22<AceFrahm>I can telnet to the server, but I can't telnet to any specifically numbered port.
20:22<AceFrahm>Telnet to the server asks me to login,
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20:24<AceFrahm>Telnet to port 25 times out, specifically.
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20:25<retrospectacus>AceFrahm: can you "telnet localhost 25" from on the server ?
20:25<AceFrahm>Yes, on the server itself.
20:25<retrospectacus>AceFrahm: also try "telnet localhost"... servers don't usually talk telnet (port 23) anymore
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20:26<AceFrahm> telnet localhost 25
20:26<AceFrahm>Trying 127.0.0.1...
20:26<AceFrahm>Connected to localhost.
20:26<AceFrahm>Escape character is '^]'.
20:26<AceFrahm>220 spellcast.in ESMTP Exim 4.80 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 00:26:26 +0000
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20:26<icefairy>hello everyone
20:26<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell AceFrahm about paste
20:27<retrospectacus>hi icefairy
20:27<AceFrahm>howdy
20:27<retrospectacus>AceFrahm: is your server really accepting logins thru telnet? that is terrible security
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20:28<AceFrahm>ok. . . . I want to fix smtp. If telnet is a problem we can do that next.
20:29<AceFrahm>but it isn't saying "hi, I'm the exim4 mail server" to connections from the outside on port 25
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20:30<AceFrahm>at least not for me
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20:31<retrospectacus>AceFrahm: have you run "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config"
20:31<AceFrahm>yes
20:32<themill>btw you probably don't want to accept mail from anywhere to anywhere via port 25 like that. You probably want to only relay mail that arrives on :587 and uses an appopriate authentication step
20:32<themill>(that point is unrelated to your current problem though)
20:32<AceFrahm>right, no open relay
20:32<retrospectacus>except inbound mail
20:33<AceFrahm>but I can't figure out how to setup this smtp at all, I haven't found any good tutorials. But I managed to make IMAP work with courier.
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20:34<themill>retrospectacus: from where are you trying to connect to this machine on :25?
20:34<themill>err... AceFrahm ^^
20:34<AceFrahm>From home, the server is in the cloud at digital ocean.
20:35<AceFrahm>spellcast.in
20:35<themill>and 192.241.252.57 is the right ip for that?
20:35<AceFrahm>yes
20:35<themill>that machine does appear to be listening -- I think that's your local ISP blocking outgoing :25.
20:35<retrospectacus>AceFrahm: ok in "netstat -plant" can you see exim4 listening to 127.0.0.1:25 , or 0.0.0.0:25
20:35<retrospectacus>oh yeah, that's likely too
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20:36<AceFrahm>tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 5171/exim4
20:36<themill>yeah. I wish more would do so... except the people who think it's cool to run their own MTA at home tend to scream about it
20:36<AceFrahm>So should the port be changed to some other number?
20:37<themill>AceFrahm: exim looks like it will happily receive email from other people but if you want to relay mail through it, you need to set it up to use the submission port (587) and teach it to do some authentication too
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20:38<themill>alternatively, your ISP probably has a mail relay that you can use for this
20:38<AceFrahm>Hmm sounds good, do you have any tutorial for that? The docs are a poor guide.
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20:39<themill>which imap server are you using?
20:39<AceFrahm>courier-imap
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20:39<themill>(it's pretty common to have the imap server help do this auth step, but if you don't have many users you can probably get exim to do it directly)
20:39<AceFrahm>~imap2 according to netstat
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20:40<AceFrahm>yeah, it'll just be me.
20:41<themill>AceFrahm: https://wiki.debian.org/Exim#TLS_and_Authentication
20:42<AceFrahm>Goody! I'll do these extra steps now.
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21:03<AceFrahm>themill: It seems to connect, but I'm getting a "relay not permitted" error.
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21:11<themill>I'm afraid I don't use exim (I actually got rid of my last mail server about a year ago) so I can't tell you what knob in exim needs tweaking to get this to work now.
21:12<leticia>someone know how to work for Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character in rsync / scp ?.?
21:12<themill>leticia: in the filenames?
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21:12<AceFrahm>themill: oh wait, these instructions say to set TLS to listen to port 465, but you say I need to set exim to listen to port 587 instead?
21:13<leticia>themill, yes im trying to copy in usbstick
21:13<themill>AceFrahm: yeah, 465 is SMTP over SSL; 587 is "Submission"
21:13<AceFrahm>themill:It seems to listen on 465, but refuses to relay. . .
21:13<themill>leticia: what filesystem is on that usb stick?
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21:14<themill>you might need something like convmv or fuse-convmvfs to fix the filenames to be a sensible encoding (UTF-8 is probably what you want) prior to trying to move them
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21:15<leticia>:\i
21:16<AceFrahm>themill: so I should alter the exim4 configuration to listen on port 587 instead of 25?
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21:17<themill>AceFrahm: I'm surprised it doesn't do that automatically. But as I said, I don't really do exim
21:17<AceFrahm>themill: thank you
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21:20<SamB>... people use SMTP for something beside submission?
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21:21<themill>SamB: submission means RFC4409 -- authenticated or otherwise trusted submission not open relay
21:21<SamB>ah
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21:22<themill>(getent services submission; etc)
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21:28<leticia>themill, ty i solve with rsync with option --iconv=iso88591,utf8
21:28*leticia hugs themill
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21:33<leticia>this make me thing use 8859-1 as default locale
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21:50<AceFrahm>themill: For the record, I discovered that you must run “dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config“ In the "relay for" option, set to: “127.0.1.1;127.0.0.1"
21:50<AceFrahm>themill: I guess you must do this to allow exim4 itself to send the mail from an externally authenticated user as though it were originating locally. I guess 127.0.0.1 alone ought to be enough.
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21:50<AceFrahm>themill: Got it all working now with your help, thank you so much
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22:02<themill>AceFrahm: well done! Do test out your mail service to make sure it's not an open relay
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22:07<AceFrahm>themill:"Good News! All tests for an open relay on your mail server failed. Your mail server does not allow open relay."
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22:38<mzx89>would someone be kind enough to look at this error i get when i am trying to compile something and tell me what's going on? i get this when i use 'make'
22:38<mzx89>http://paste.debian.net/60676/
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22:43<themill>mzx89: so you have the relevant kbuild package installed? and the relevant linux-headers?
22:44<mzx89>i have build-essentials. how do i know what else i need? i don't know
22:44<themill>(also, that module is already included in your kernel package)
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23:17<Ponch0>Hello, quick question, my wifi works but a lot of the times it seems to just stall before it connects, or just 'pauses' in the middle of updating or downloading a package before installing, where can I read up on fixes?
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23:24<Jonesboro>duckduckgo.com
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