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---Logopened Fri Oct 25 00:00:13 2013
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00:04<Infiltrator>Crash-OD: You do not need all three DVDs; only the first. There are also USB images.
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00:05<Crash-OD>is there s usb inmage with all 3 dvds combined?
00:05<Crash-OD>for soem resone i need atleast 2 or all 3
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00:12<Infiltrator>Crash-OD: If your system will have an Internet connection, it would be better for you to with a smaller installation image (either the first DVD, first CD, or even the netinst CD) and then download just the packages you need once you have the system up.
00:14<Crash-OD>my internet sucks taking me 2 days per dvd and last time i installed took 2 or 3 dvds
00:15<SamB>Crash-OD: well, you probably don't need nearly everything on the 2nd or 3rd DVDs
00:16<SamB>it could be MUCH faster to just download those particular packages
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00:22<Crash-OD>now when it for muti systems i wish lol
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00:40<jeep>Crash-OD: the first cd of 650mb is a working system then another 300 meg or so to get the stuff you want probably
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01:13<kepka>qq
01:13<SamB>go on, ASK the question
01:13<ychenik>qq epta
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01:13<SamB>... or don't and blame your pocket later ...
01:13<kepka>go fuck
01:14<kepka>please
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01:17<sasaga>hi good evening, someone could say that when compiling a kernel hello world for me will not let me compile error generates a number who could colaborarme
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01:17<dualbus>sasaga: seems like language is an issue, might want to try #debian-es or rephrase the question.
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01:19<sasaga>hello
01:21<Infiltrator>SamB: "blame your pocket"?
01:21<SamB>claim it was pocket typing
01:21<Infiltrator>!tell sasaga -about es
01:21<Infiltrator>Ah.
01:21<kepka>Fah
01:21<kepka>go fuck
01:24<sasaga> hi good evening, someone could say that when compiling a kernel hello world for me will not let me compile error generates a number who could colaborarme
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01:27<dualbus>sasaga: stop repeating your self.
01:28<rjsalts>is there any test in bash for a regular file which is not a symbolic link? -f seems to be true even when it's a symlink
01:28<dualbus>sasaga: si necesitas ayuda en español, está #debian-es.
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01:28<dualbus>rjsalts: IIRC it has -h or something like that.
01:28<themill>rjsalts: ! -L
01:29<dualbus>$ file=/etc/passwd; [[ -f $file && ! -h $file ]]; echo $?
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01:30<dualbus>$ ln -s /etc/passwd pass; file=pass; [[ -f $file && ! -h $file ]]; echo $?
01:30<dualbus>1
01:30<dualbus>ehm, result of first one is 0 here, (cause /etc/passwd is not a symlink :) )
01:30<rjsalts>aye
01:31<rjsalts>I don't get the need for -h and -L
01:31<rjsalts>thanks
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01:34<themill>rjsalts: in terms of 'test', the "regular file" that -f is testing for is "is this a socket or a device or a regular file". Mostly, you want -f mysymlink to be true because you want most applications to transparently handle symlinks and not have to special case them -- special casing the symlinks would inevitably be forgotten and you'd have lots of applications would fail with "/etc/foo: not a file" when it was a symlink and reading from it would
01:34<themill>have worked
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02:53<rjsalts>hrm, + [ 39b66cf249feb53550973afde6d2ab52 == 07a21e43235f1f69d406c92422f31f79 ] is giving test: 7: [: 39b66cf249feb53550973afde6d2ab52: unexpected operator
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02:55<jm_>replace == with =
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02:59<rjsalts>why is ${source/\/lib\//\/lib\/x86_64-linux-gnu\//} a bad substitution?
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03:00<themill>it has LTS
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03:04<rjsalts>themill: LTS?
03:05<themill>!lts
03:05<dpkg>i heard lts is Leaning Toothpick Syndrome. Linux Terminal Server.
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03:16<jm_>rjsalts: what's used to run the script?
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03:17<rjsalts>jm_: I have #!/bin/bash at the top, if that's what you mean
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03:19<rjsalts>jm_: I gave up and used sed
03:19<jm_>rjsalts: works fine for me with bash, but dash would give that error
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03:21<Stummi>rjsalts, how did you run the script?
03:21<Stummi>./script?
03:22<rjsalts>Stummi: sh -x script
03:22<Stummi>rjsalts, so you arn't running it with bash, but sh
03:22<Stummi>sh is probably dash on your machine
03:23<Stummi>run it via "bash -x script"
03:23<rjsalts>Stummi: oh, you're right
03:23<Stummi>rjsalts, the shebang is only relevant if you let your kernel run the script directly (as in ./script)
03:23<jm_>yeah
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04:28<Myon>deavid: that's all normal - if you need postgresql-client-9.2, go to apt.postgresql.org
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05:00<FlyingGuy3>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-o3CJytIPE
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05:03<Maulkin>FlyingGuy3: Do you have a Debian question?
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05:29<boodie>Hi, since I last updated my squeeze (7.11?), gnome doesn't load properly (freezes after the splashscreen ... mouse works, but the icons are not loaded), KDE is very slow, WMaker works fine (which I'm using at the moment). There don't seem to be broken packages of any sort; what could the problem be?
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05:37<SynrG>boodie: sounds like broken glx
05:37<SynrG>boodie: what graphics chipset do you have?
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06:12<koosha>how can I get the timeout for my ARP table entries?
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06:48<boodie>Hi, I have some problems with Gnome (it is suspended at the initial screen) ...
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07:08<SynrG>boodie: i answered a while back
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07:09<SynrG>boodie: what graphics chipset do you have? sounds like you could have problems with glx. not sure about that, though. by "initial screen" do you mean gdm3, or after you login?
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07:09<SynrG>boodie: you said kde performance was poor, too. this makes me think the common thread here is poor graphics performance.
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07:10<SynrG>not anything specifically wrong with gnome.
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07:12<olspookishmagus>any info on this: http://pastie.org/pastes/8429388/text?key=mdzvxev6vmule6cvdzotg
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07:19<boodie>SynrG: Hi, I have gdm3 in fact; the problem occurs after logging in with gdm3
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07:19<jm_>boodie: check Xorg.0.log, gdm log and ~/.xsession-errors
07:20<boodie>lspci grep -i VGA gives: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS] (rev a1)
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07:21<SynrG>boodie: ok. and using non-free nvidia driver or nouveau?
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07:24<boodie>Hmmm, no idea ... in aptitude I have "glx-alternative-nvidia"
07:25<jm_>!tell boodie -about which video driver
07:25<boodie>I suspect non-free, probably as non-free is in apt/sources.list
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07:26<SynrG>even my geforce 6200 manages gnome-shell just fine.
07:26<boodie>[ 10775.147] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so
07:27<SynrG>using non-free
07:27<boodie>egrep 'Load.*mod.*driv|UnloadModule' /var/log/Xorg.0.log ... outputs ... [ 10775.147] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so
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07:28<SynrG>any other errors in Xorg.0.log? put the whole thing at paste.debian.net please
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07:30<boodie>http://pastie.org/8429427
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07:32<SynrG>boodie: all looks fine. there's a possibility something in your gnome settings is screwed up. can you create a new test user account and login to see if the defaults are fine for that user?
07:32<SynrG>boodie: and how about a paste of ~/.xsession-errors from the user where you're having problems
07:34<boodie>http://pastie.org/8429439
07:34<boodie>OK, logging out now
07:35<SynrG>boodie: that appears to be windowmaker stuff ...
07:35<SynrG>i wanted the gnome stuff
07:36<boodie>well, gnome doesn't work, so I kill it with Alt-Printscr-K and relog in with WMaker
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07:37<boodie>I could launch "gnome-session" and paste .xsession-errors, would this do?
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07:40<SynrG>argh ,no
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07:41<SynrG>boodie: no tricks like that ...
07:41<SynrG>boodie: you could login as gnome, kill it, then login as wmaker. that would be fine ... the old one gets saved as ~/.xsession-errors.old
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07:48<boodie>http://paste.debian.net/61550/
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07:52<boodie>Hi, I'm back (sorry, messed up with the chat client)
07:53<boodie>http://paste.debian.net/61550/
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07:57<boodie>I had to cut .xsession-errors-old , because it was enormous ...
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08:03<boodie>SynrG: Any idea of what could cripple gnome?
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08:05<stdhell>judd: v postgresql-9.1
08:05<judd>Package: postgresql-9.1 on i386 -- wheezy-security: 9.1.9-0wheezy1; squeeze-backports: 9.1.9-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 9.1.9-1; jessie: 9.1.10-1; sid: 9.1.10-1
08:06<stdhell>I'm a bit confused by that ^... Shouldn't the version in wheezy-security be newer than (or the same as) the one in wheezy?
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08:09<jm_>it is newer: dpkg --compare-versions '9.1.9-0wheezy1' '>' '9.1.9-1' ; echo $?
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08:10<themill>(it's not)
08:10<stdhell>jm_: In that case, I don't understand why I don't get the upgrade...
08:10<jm_>actually it's not my bad
08:11<jm_>stdhell: ^^^^^ sorry
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08:11<boodie>Hi, my gnome session refuses to work (it freezes after the gdm3 login): here's the .xsession-errors-log: http://paste.debian.net/61550/ , can anyone help?
08:11<jm_>I used < when checking and pasted the versionw ith > here
08:11<themill>stdhell: not always -- packages will have been updated in the point release
08:12<SynrG>boodie: my other suggestion was to try creating a new user.
08:12<stdhell>I thought those updates where simply copies of the packages from wheezy-security.
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08:12<SynrG>boodie: then use that new user to test to see if by default it works.
08:12<jm_>and sometimes extra packages
08:12<stdhell>s/where/were/ (Stupid keyboard)
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08:13<themill>stdhell: not just
08:13<boodie>SynrG: I have other users (e.g. wife, kids) ... should I try them, ora newly created one?
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08:15<SynrG>boodie: you can try them first. then if they are broken too, try creating a new user.
08:15<SynrG>if the new user is broken too, you know the issue is system-wide
08:15<SynrG>it is merely a way of dividing the problem.
08:15<SynrG>you can divide it however you wish
08:15<themill>stdhell: http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy/ChangeLog
08:15<stdhell>themill: Ok. I'm just getting a warning and am trying to figure out exactly which package (and later which source package) is responsible for the warning.
08:16<boodie>ok
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09:12<boodie>SynrG: Hi, still me with my gnome problem. Old users, new users, all the same ( http://paste.debian.net/61575/ )
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09:13<war_>edog: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on sysv-rc
09:13<war_>best way to fix this?
09:13<war_>upgrading a box from 2yrs last update
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09:14<war_>apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0 -f
09:14<war_>that worked
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09:30<boodie>Hi, I'm still here with the gnome problem (wheezy). Here's the output of a fragment of .xsession-errors.old: http://paste.debian.net/61580/. Gnome freezes after loggin in with gdm3. This happens with any user I have, old or new.
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09:38<boodie>Hi: has anybody ever encountered this error? "invoking List() failed for type GProxyVolumeMonitorGdu: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" ... besides debian, it seems common in ubuntu, mint, gentoo and related to dbus and gconf ...
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11:10<machuanyu>hello
11:11<machuanyu>没有人吗
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11:22<vrkalak>!chinese
11:22<dpkg>methinks chinese is Find Chinese on Debian at http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/, or try the channel #Chinese, or /join #debian-zh on irc.oftc.net
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11:38<eegiks>darn, dde.debian.net is down
11:40<ivanovska>hi:)
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12:55<M3nth0le>Hi
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12:57<davisxz>Hola
12:57<M3nth0le>I have a big problem with my wifi, i don't understand why... I'm on Debian 7 kernel 3.2.0.4 amd64 it's a paste of my syslog : http://pastebin.com/8LnVpspp
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13:00<DNS>:o
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13:03<M3nth0le>I tryed to change the grub with an argument but... nothing... :(
13:03<M3nth0le>DNS, any idear ? :P
13:03<Viqiii>HOla
13:03<davisxz>Viqiii
13:03<davisxz>Hola
13:04<Maulkin>!es-social
13:04<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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13:04<M3nth0le>^_ç
13:04<M3nth0le>^_^
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13:06<DNS>M3nth0le: sorry no idea really, but did it work with a previous debian version or another distro and is that driver free?
13:06<M3nth0le>It's not free :(
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13:07<M3nth0le>I'm new on debian, is it difficult to downgrade it ?
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13:08<musca>M3nth0le: if you think it's a software problem you can upgrade your kernel to get newer drivers and firmware.
13:08<mtn>M3nth0le: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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13:08<musca>!bdo kernel
13:08<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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13:10<M3nth0le>So, i just need to upgrade my kernel ?
13:11<musca>M3nth0le: at least it's a possibility better than downgrade anything.
13:11<mtn>M3nth0le: maybe, depends. follow the wiki to start with
13:12<M3nth0le>Ok thanks :)
13:12<M3nth0le>mtn, you say "follow the wiki" which one ?
13:12<mtn>M3nth0le: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
13:13<M3nth0le>Yes but... For what ? x)
13:13<mtn>M3nth0le: your card and chip, of course.
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13:14<M3nth0le>mtn, sorry, i don't understand
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13:14<M3nth0le>Is it for install driver ?
13:14<mtn>M3nth0le: weren't you asking about wireless issues? if so,follow the wiki. maybe I misunderstood
13:15<M3nth0le>I followed this for install driver
13:15<M3nth0le>Few days ago
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13:16<mtn>M3nth0le: so, what card/chip and which driver are you using?
13:16<M3nth0le>It works, but my wifi dropout randomly
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13:17<M3nth0le>I'm using this : https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi
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13:20<M3nth0le>And i have this : 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 [Condor Peak] [8086:0083]
13:21<musca>,pciid 8086:0083
13:21<judd>[8086:0083] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 1000 [Condor Peak]' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0083 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi
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13:23<musca>M3nth0le: ^ so it should work with the kernel from wheezy. How did you install the firmware?
13:23<M3nth0le>judd, yes they're already in use ^^
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13:24<musca>M3nth0le: judd is a bot
13:24<M3nth0le>shit xD
13:24<mtn>M3nth0le: support for that chip should be fine
13:26<M3nth0le>During the NetInstall of Debian, it wanted a .ucode or other... And i downloaded 2 .deb and when the install was finish, i installed again the .deb
13:26<M3nth0le>(sorry but i'm and my english is so bad ^^ )
13:26<M3nth0le>(sorry but i'm french and my english is so bad ^^ )
13:27<Maulkin>!fr
13:27<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
13:28<M3nth0le>No thanks
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13:28<M3nth0le>They're can't help me ^^
13:28<M3nth0le>I was there and they have failed
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13:30<M3nth0le>But i understand english, it's not a problem
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13:40<DrZaius>so what does GR means in the systemd thread in d-devel?
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13:42<mshuler>DrZaius: it's a General Resolution to be voted on - http://www.debian.org/vote/ (along the right column are the listings)
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13:42<DrZaius>oh, thank you mshuler
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13:49<Guest3419>hello, i want to create a command 'xlock' to lock my current session and turn of the monitor, this is what I have: xlock='xset dpms force standby && xscreensaver-command -lock'
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13:50<Guest3419>the problem is, that my monitor turns on (black) a few seconds afterwards. I don't know why, any suggestions?
13:50<DrZaius>Guest3419: check the power settings
13:50<Guest3419>they are turned of (inside xscreensaver), I am using dwm (not gnome or something like that)
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13:51<Guest3419>and my login manager is xdm. (sorry, forgot about that one)
13:51<DrZaius>not sure how to do it in the shell, but the powersettings is coupled with xscreensaver in ways i dont know
13:52<Guest3419>mhm, but they are turned of. Nevertheless, ther is something going on inside xscreensaver, because, when I am entering 'xset dpms force standby', everything works as expected but without a lock.
13:52<DrZaius>im not always sure where the actual setting come from... iuse xflock4 in xfce
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13:53<DrZaius>run the xscreen before forcing the screen off?
13:54<DrZaius>if you do it the other way around the xscreensaver is probably awakening the screen
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13:54<Guest3419>you mean: xscreensaver-command -lock && xset dpms force standby.
13:54<DrZaius>yup...
13:55<DrZaius>maybe even with some sleep in between
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13:55<Guest3419>thanks so far, i will try it for the next few minutes :D (i have no other device by hand).
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13:55<plugwash>I have some hosts which are generating unexpected ammounts of network traffic. Munin sees the traffic on the ethernet controller but higher level tools like iptraf and nethogs don't seem to see the traffic
13:55<plugwash>any suggestions on how to track what is generating the traffic?
13:56<DrZaius>plugwash: tcpdump
13:56<DrZaius>will give you a clue
13:57<Guest3419>Argh, doesn work either.
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13:59<didi>Is there a formal procedure for asking for a package to be upgraded in sid? Should I file a bug against it?
14:00<DrZaius>Guest3419: your best chance is to google xcreensaver turn off monitor
14:00<DrZaius>and read about internals
14:00<DrZaius>or maybe look for some other way to lock computer without using xscreensaver
14:00<DrZaius>didi, what package?
14:01<didi>DrZaius: cl-cffi
14:01<plugwash>unfortunately it seems to be suffering the same problem that the other tools are, it's seeing the expected traffic but it's not seeing the traffic i'm trying to track down.
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14:02<DrZaius>plugwash: i dont really expect any traffic to be left out of tcpdump
14:02<DrZaius>are you using it with the right interface?
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14:03<plugwash>yeah, the box in question only has one
14:03<DrZaius>didi: yes, as far as i know, its okay to open a bug about a new upstream version of a program
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14:03<didi>DrZaius: Oh, OK. Thank you. I'll do that.
14:04<DrZaius>plugwash: okay, it seems like the box has been compromised
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14:05<DrZaius>can you put something in between the box and your gateway to checkout the traffic?
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14:05<DrZaius>or maybe tcpdump the other end?
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14:05<magnetophon>does anyone know why there is nobody in #debian-multimedia?
14:06<plugwash>I don't think it's a compromise though I guess it's not impossible
14:06<DrZaius>plugwash: does the number of packages sent increases on the interface?
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14:06<DrZaius>(ifconfig eth0)
14:07<DrZaius>plugwash: if you cant see the traffic with tcpdump is because is being actively hide...
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14:07<DrZaius>checkout where the munning is getting the info from
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14:08<plugwash>There is some increase but the tx bytes is nowhere near high enough to explain the ammount of traffic munin is showing. I've spoken to those operating the switch and they are seeing the traffic at the switch ports so it doesn't seem to be a reporting error.
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14:09<DrZaius>well, then your best call is to put something in between and checkout the traffic that comes out of your box yourself
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14:09<DrZaius>is it a production box?
14:10<mbaragiola>hello, does anyone know why opensync has been removed from testing?
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14:11<retrospectacus>!why is opensync not in testing
14:11<dpkg>opensync is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://packages.qa.debian.org/opensync
14:12<mbaragiola>retrospectacus: thanks. TIL
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14:13<mshuler>mbaragiola: not just testing.. http://bugs.debian.org/662079
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14:16<mbaragiola>mshuler: yes, it is available in oldstable only
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14:24<hdb2>hi all! what is the "debian way" of allowing someone to put content in /var/www without giving them root access? is using the procedure outlined at https://wiki.debian.org/UserPrivateGroups the best way, or is there something better?
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14:25<mshuler>hdb2: have them put files in their home directory and map a virtual host entry to that dir.
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14:25<hdb2>mshuler: good idea, I didn't think of that - thank you!
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14:29<mshuler>hdb2: to clarify, something like ~/www/ (don't set up a vhost to their entire home dir.. :)
14:31<mshuler>doesn't apache have some userdir default config? ~/public_html/ or something like that?
14:31<mshuler>maps to www.example.com/~/<user>/
14:31<mshuler>or /~user/ I mean
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14:39<hdb2>mshuler: it does, but I was shooting for the webroot to be www.example.com, not www.example.com/~user/. but your point is well-taken.
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14:52<nico>.xchat2/budus.so
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14:53<plugwash>nm, found my problem, the high level tools *were* seeing the traffic but I was writing it off as "normal" because those tools didn't give me enough visibility into how much of it there was and because despite the rate looking constant at the "5 minuite average" level on shorter timescales it was actually very bursty. Thanks for all the advice anyway
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14:57*plugwash slaps nullmailer arround a bit with a large trout
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15:00<plugwash>basically nullmailer had ended up with a message in it's queue that was too large for the receiving server to accept and unfortunately nullmailer doesn't seem to know how to handle permanent errors correctly
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15:05<Guest3425>Dobrou chut
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15:15<plugwash>so can anyone reccomend an alternative to nullmailer that does not perform network abuse?
15:16<jordanm>what is wrong with the default exim4?
15:16<jordanm>and what "network abuse" is nullmailer doing?
15:16<jordanm>it just forwards emails to a smarthost
15:17<Shroomduke>what is "No Ident response" on freenode about?
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15:18<plugwash><jordanm> it just forwards emails to a smarthost <-- the problem is what happens when for whatever reason it FAILS to forward those emails to the smarthost
15:18<plugwash>it retries agressively and forever ignoring permanent errors from the smarthost
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15:19<plugwash>This is especially a problem if an email is sent that is larger than the smarthost will accept
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15:19<jordanm>then I would just configure exim4 to forward to smarthost
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15:54<vlt>Hello. How can I add a file lilek /sbin/cryptsetup to an initrd.img?
15:54<vlt>*like
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16:58<petn-randall>vlt: What are you trying to achieve?
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17:05<philsf>hi. I want to create meta-packages to manage new installations, because I always install the same packages on new installs. are there any scripts or programs that make it easier for me to create such meta-packages?
17:06<philsf>such as, creating debian/control and other necessary files, in the same way as dch does for debian/changelog?
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17:13<thingy>philsf: Does this link help: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=30271
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17:14<vlt>petn-randall: I have a problem with a missing cryptsetup installation in an initrd.img (on a wide-spread once Debian based distro).
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17:15<vlt>petn-randall: I have cryptsetup installed but for strange reasons it doesn't find its way to the initrd. I'm looking for someone who knows how this is done properly ;-)
17:15<Pitxyoki>philsf: just get-selections and then set-selections on the other machine?
17:15<Pitxyoki># dpkg --get-selections > standard-packages.list
17:15<Pitxyoki>Then, on the other machine(s):
17:15<Pitxyoki># dpkg --set-selections < standard-packages.list
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17:18<philsf>Pitxyoki, I prefer the metapackage thingy, so I can update it and have it centralized. Also, I want to make a personal preferences package, a workstation and a server one, so there are different use cases for each box I install
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17:19<philsf>thingy, this looks like instructions for manually creating it. do you know if there's a faster way?
17:20<thingy>philsf: but its so simple, which part were you trying to speed up? The gathering together of the dependencies?
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17:22<philsf>thingy, the control in the example really seems simpler from what I've seen from other packages I've looked at. I really wanted a fool-proof mechanism to make sure I don't let loose ends.
17:22<philsf>for example, do I need anything else, other than debian/control?
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17:23<petn-randall>vlt: If it's not Debian, you're clearly in the wrong channel.
17:24<vlt>petn-randall: I thougt this is the channel with people who know how it should be done ;-)
17:24<petn-randall>!based on debian
17:24<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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17:25<thingy>philsf: the only other package i know about is equivs
17:25<petn-randall>vlt: We only support plain Debian here for a number of social and technical reasons. Sorry.
17:25<thingy>philsf: you only the control file and dir structure. rest is optional
17:26<philsf>thingy, hmmm, equivs looks promising. also, good to know only control is required. thanks for the tips!
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19:06<Airwave>I'm trying to find out where the appropriate place is to put a certain set of files is.
19:06<Airwave>I'm setting up a torrent client. Now the configuration files go in /etc, and the session files (state information) goes in /var/lib. Those are simple enough. But this torrent client also has functionality to watch a directory for files that it automatically downloads. Where is the appropriate place for this directory?
19:07<Airwave>Also in /var/lib?
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19:19<that_guy>Airwave: probably. I assume it's user-tunable?
19:19<Airwave>that_guy: What is? The directory that the program watches?
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19:20<that_guy>yeah
19:20<Airwave>Yes, it is.
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19:20<Airwave>I'm not packaging this program or anything, I'm just setting it up on my own system.
19:21<retrospectacus>why don't you just install a torrent client from the repositories?
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19:22<Airwave>retrospectacus: I did. I'm just setting it up.
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20:16<Moritz>Hi. Does anyone know a good replacement to nano when it comes to editing files? Nano seem to be bugged as it sometimes overwrite other letter or adds random dots when I type/move the cursor.
20:16<Noskcaj10>Is there an irc channel for hardware donations? I sent an email a few months ago but got no responses
20:18<retrospectacus>Moritz: vim. Do you have a bug report for that?
20:18<abrotman>Noskcaj10: nope, try sending another email
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20:20<Moritz>retrospectacus: No, I haven't made a bug report and I doubt I'll be able to make one. It's probably just me who managed to ruin it somehow.
20:20<Moritz>Thanks for the tip about wim though. Will check it out.
20:21*plugwash likes mcedit as long as the terminal supports it
20:21<plugwash>it doesn't seem to get one well with serial consoles though
20:22<musca>Moritz: it's vim, not wim
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20:39<Moritz>Sorry for my extremely dumb question, but what key is semicolon? I Don't know what ";q" means when I need to quit vim withouot saving my changes.
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20:39<retrospectacus>Moritz: it is :
20:39<retrospectacus>not ;
20:39<retrospectacus>and you want :q!
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20:40<retrospectacus>!vim refcard
20:40<dpkg>i guess vim refcard is http://www.viemu.com/a_vi_vim_graphical_cheat_sheet_tutorial.html or perhaps http://tnerual.eriogerg.free.fr/vim.html
20:41<abrotman>what?
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20:41<abrotman>semicolon is ;, colon is :, the command should be ":q!"
20:42<Moritz>Should I just type ":q!" or does ":" represent a key on my keyboard?
20:42<retrospectacus>it is a literal :
20:42<abrotman>hit Esc, then type ":q!" (without the quotes)
20:44<retrospectacus>yes if you are in "insert mode" (you can type into the text of the file) you have to press Esc to go back to "command mode" before hitting : to enter a command
20:44<retrospectacus>it is certainly confusing at first
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20:46<Moritz>Ah, everything worked much better after entering command mode. It's confusing indeed, but thanks for the help guys. :)
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20:50<Moritz>Vim doesn't seem to accept UTF-8 letters such as Å, Ä or Ö. ;/
20:50<Moritz>Nothing happens when I try to enter those.
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20:52<themill>vim should handle them just fine if locale and terminal and keymap are working correctly
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21:10<Joycal>dklsf
21:11<stderr>Yes?
21:11<Joycal>I'm a freshman
21:12<Joycal>nice to meet you
21:12<abrotman>!debian
21:12<dpkg>[debian] http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
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21:20<tonyt>can someone give me some advice ? i installed debian from the live dvd and it finished installing fine with no errors . i go to reboot the machine from the hard drive and nothing happens
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22:36<master>hello
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22:38<Guest3453>hello how are you
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22:41<ectospasm>!ot
22:41<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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22:44<Guest3453>como hago para otener ayuda
22:44<abrotman>how is that better?
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23:41<ovoxo>I just installed debian, now whats the next step ?
23:41<ovoxo>Whats a good WM/DE to use
23:41<ovoxo>beginner level m
23:41<jordanm>KDE
23:42<ovoxo>o ok
23:42<ovoxo>sudo apt-get install KDE?
23:42<ovoxo>im assuming?
23:42<ovoxo>I just got done using crunch bang with openbox && tint2
23:42<ovoxo>it was lame & bland
23:42<jordanm>apt-get install kde-full
23:43<ovoxo>oo ok installing i
23:43<ovoxo>it*
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23:43<ovoxo>I have a quick question, looking at other screenshots they don't have a taskbar? how do people navigate lmao
23:43<jordanm>or kde-standard if you don't want all of the utilities that are "standard" with kde
23:43<ovoxo>ill just do the full
23:43<jordanm>there is a taskbar, idk what you are looking at
23:43<ovoxo>1sec ima link u
23:44<ovoxo>lul im banned from crunch bang forums, lemme get a proxy up
23:44<ectospasm>uh, that doesn't sound good.
23:45<ovoxo>they banned me because I raged at the community for being stuck up assholes. if you ask a question, they always get rude.
23:45<ovoxo>i just said im done with crunch you arent helping at all
23:45<ovoxo>then i got banned for it..
23:45<ovoxo>perm..
23:45<ectospasm>that's a shame
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23:46<ectospasm>...I sometimes find crunchbang forum posts helpful for my stuff on Debian... I don't remember them being rude, maybe a little childish...
23:46<nadir1>It ain't that unusual on any linux forum to get banned.
23:46<ectospasm>!ot
23:46<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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23:47<ovoxo>alright heres the screenshot
23:47<ovoxo>http://postimg.org/image/ipwb9e8nl/
23:47<ovoxo>no taskbar. wtf
23:47<themill>that looks nothing like kde
23:48<thatguychuck>Is there a way to authenticate a local iso being used as a repository? My current work around is using APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated "true"
23:48<mshuler>looks like awesome(?)
23:48<ovoxo>i know, i told someone that i seen screenshots with no taskbar && he said he never seen it before
23:48<ovoxo>i have adhd so i forgot his name already. :(
23:48<themill>thatguychuck: [trusted=yes] as an option -- see sources.list(5)
23:48<mshuler>I used fluxbox for a long time - no task bar necessary..
23:48<ovoxo>how do you navigate?
23:48<nadir1>alt+tab
23:49<mshuler>rt-click = menu
23:49<thatguychuck>themill: Thank you.
23:49<mshuler>alt-tab, mouse, what else is needed?
23:49<nadir1>alt+F2, enter command. etc.pp
23:49<ovoxo>aha i dont got the patient for that
23:49<ovoxo>i think ill stick to nooby taskbars lmao
23:49<mshuler>I don't do anything with the taskbar, now, except look at the clock ;)
23:49<nadir1>and the systray
23:50<jordanm>ovoxo: that doesn't look like a KDE panel
23:50<jordanm>ovoxo: but they could just have the task bar on auto-hide
23:50<ovoxo>O
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23:50<ovoxo>are you guys using debian 7?
23:50<jordanm>he doesn't even have window decorators on his windows
23:50<jordanm>yes
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23:51<ovoxo>idk i just pulled that image from crunch scrot thread lul
23:51<mshuler>I use stable on servers and testing on desktop/laptop
23:51<panjiabang>debian 7 ? yes
23:51<ovoxo>gnome is horrible
23:51<themill>ovoxo: Perhaps you should just try things rather than have people speculate over a random screenshot where you don't even know what the screenshot is.
23:52<ovoxo>wat
23:52<mshuler>ovoxo: there are many desktop env / window managers to choose from..
23:52<panjiabang>gnome is really unstable
23:52<panjiabang>kde may be a better choose
23:52<ovoxo>can i customize kde ?
23:52<ovoxo>64% right now
23:52<mshuler>sure
23:53<panjiabang>what do you mean customize?
23:53<ovoxo>like in tint2, you could do whatever you want to it
23:53<panjiabang>something like keyboard shortcut?
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23:53<ovoxo>appearance. transparacy, color, size, positon
23:53<ovoxo>etc
23:53<panjiabang>yes, you can
23:54<ovoxo>o ok col
23:54<ovoxo>cool
23:54<ovoxo>is it html?
23:54<panjiabang>no
23:54<ovoxo>what language
23:54<mshuler>you could also apt-get install tint2 ;)
23:54<ovoxo>i can use tint2 with kde?
23:54<panjiabang>it has a configure interface
23:54<mshuler>dunno, but I don't see why not
23:55<mshuler>deps look minimal, so it should be fine on kde
23:55<ovoxo>deps?
23:55<panjiabang>sometime i use awesome in kde
23:55<mshuler>dependencies
23:55<ovoxo>ah
23:56<panjiabang>i like the default key shortcuts in awesome
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23:56<ovoxo>my friend told me awhile ago i should use BSD
23:56<ovoxo>im scared too, it sounds hard
23:56<ovoxo>LOL
23:56<mshuler>nah
23:56<panjiabang>that's amazing
23:56<panjiabang>you are not using a server
23:57<mshuler>personally, I'd say try as many differnet options as you can - that's how you'll figure out what you like
23:57<ovoxo>configuring kd, default display manager: gdm3 kdm <ok>
23:57<ovoxo>what one
23:57<ovoxo>do i do
23:57<panjiabang>kdm
23:57<ovoxo>kk
23:57<ovoxo>fuck you gnome!
23:57<ovoxo>lmao
23:58<mshuler>then you'll get the point where I am - figure out which default $desktop_env you like and do nothing at all - just get to work ;)
23:58<ovoxo>what is your favorite desktop enviroment mshuler?
23:58<mshuler>ovoxo: please keep the swearing down - and use full lines.. stop pressing enter every word
23:58<mshuler>I use KDE
23:59<ovoxo>sorry its a habbit, i play this game where you cant type in all setences or it blocks out your words.
23:59<panjiabang>DE is not really matter
23:59<SamB>ovoxo: what the heck?
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