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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-10-26

---Logopened Sat Oct 26 00:00:16 2013
---Daychanged Sat Oct 26 2013
00:00<ovoxo>samb: it's a glitch they haven't fixed.
00:00<SamB>it sounded like a vendetta against grammar
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00:01<ovoxo>samb: english isnt my main language sorry
00:02<ovoxo>irssi keeps disconnecting me ffs
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00:02<pinguy>ola
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00:03<nadir1>ovoxo: You don't need to post everything which enters your mind.
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00:06<ovoxo>KDE is taking a long time to install, is this normal ?
00:06<mshuler>as long as the install keeps moving along, it's fine :)
00:07<mshuler>"long time" is relative
00:07<jordanm>ovoxo: it's pretty large with all it's utilities
00:07<ovoxo>ah oky
00:08<jordanm>i remember install KDE on gentoo many years ago... took my laptop around 24 hours
00:08<themill>dpkg, pal jordanm
00:08*dpkg points at jordanm and laughs
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00:09<ovoxo>jordanm: can i see what your desktop looks like rn?
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00:16<jordanm>ovoxo: http://i.imgur.com/toVHs4R.png
00:17<jordanm>ovoxo: that's pretty much stock, I don't do a lot of customization
00:18<ovoxo>o so you use linux mainly for perfomance ?
00:18<mshuler>http://12.am/tmp/deb-kde.png - laptop left and external monitor right
00:18<jordanm>I wouldn't say that, but I like for the desktop to be efficient and more or less stay of the way
00:19<jordanm>effecient to use that is
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00:20<jordanm>I like it for it's options, ease of automation, open development communities, etc
00:21<ovoxo>ah
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00:24<jordanm>mshuler: you ruined your screenshot with vi
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00:25<mshuler>ruined? it's what I use..
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00:43<oem>blair
00:43<oem>derf
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00:52<ovoxo>Wow so KDE is really nice
00:52<ovoxo>but i have a little problem
00:52<ovoxo>Whenever I go to youtube, the video is just black. nothing with flash loads ?
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00:54<themill>You might like to tell youtube to feed you html5 where possible. You might also need to install the flashplugin-nonfree package
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00:56<ovoxo>E: Package 'flashplugin-nonfree' has no installation candidate
00:56<themill>dpkg: tell ovoxo about contrib
01:00<ovoxo>what does tell youtube to feed me html5 where possible?
01:00<SamB>!youtube
01:00<dpkg>YouTube is a video sharing website. Video download utilities include <clive>, <cclive>, <minitube>, quvi and <youtube-dl>; gcap can retrieve closed captions. For <VLC>, use Ctrl+N. The <HTML5> player can be used instead of <Adobe Flash> for supported browsers, see http://www.youtube.com/html5 ; for <Epiphany>, install the epiphany-extensions package and enable its HTML5 plugin.
01:01<SamB>ovoxo: it looks like you go to http://www.youtube.com/html5
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01:02<ovoxo>oh okay, that works thanks!
01:03<ovoxo>So, Thats 1 problem down. 1 more to go? During the debian installation there was some option that was asking me to participate in some thing then it said a url, i said no but than it said ''installed'' wtf is this & how do i know if im in it or not?
01:03<themill>if you said "no", then you're not participating in popcon
01:03<themill>dpkg: tell ovoxo about popcon
01:03<SamB>you should participate though
01:05<ovoxo>oh so its just graphs for when people download a package?
01:06<SamB>er, it actually keeps track of how many people (well, systems) have a package installed, and (sometimes) how many actually seem to have used it lately
01:07<ovoxo>oh
01:08<SamB>by the time the information gets to the general public it's quite anonymous though
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01:10<ovoxo>I might later, But my favorite flash based game isn't working...
01:12<ovoxo>how do i fix?
01:12<SamB>for that you probably need a flash implementation :-(
01:13<ectospasm>ovoxo: what version does that game depend on? IIRC, Flash is no longer developed for Linux by Adobe, save for security updates...
01:13<ectospasm>gnash may work, but that's a long shot.
01:13<ovoxo>it was working fine on crunch bang.
01:14<SamB>I'm kind of surprised they're still developing the player AT ALL except for security updates ...
01:14<ovoxo>ectospasm smallworlds.com
01:14<ovoxo>idk whats its based on.
01:14<ectospasm>ovoxo: does anything on youtube work?
01:15<ovoxo>ectospasm: it works for a few videos than it goes back to the old youtube video player & doesnt load it
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01:16<ovoxo>now i went to facebook & i get ''shockwave flash needs your permission to run''
01:17<ectospasm>...yeah, I don't use Flash a lot. Flashblock ftw!
01:17<ectospasm>anyways... need to crash...
01:17<ovoxo>ah i paid over 1grand on this site, i will have to go back to windows later
01:17<ectospasm>cy'all l8r...
01:17<ovoxo>ight tc
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01:52<sagpatke>!hi
01:52<dpkg>hello, sagpatke
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02:13<bartm>Jeeeee. End users can be sooo ungrateful. Some guy is being harsh via private e-mail to me because I published a patch years ago and expects me to explain how to apply this patch on an Ubuntu or Mint system, while the patch may not even be a solution to his problem. He refuses to use the bug tracking system and to use the available support channels. Sigh.
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02:16<bartm>I guess the saying about the horse brought to the river not drinking applies here...
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02:19<kazzy>hey guys, i'm trying to switch distro to a debian based one & it's not working to live my usb? http://i.imgur.com/LyT0OBD.png
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02:45<bartm>too bad kazzy left so soon (4 minutes)
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03:09<r3c4ll>Anybody has experience throubles (hangout) instaling over SATA big disks (2TB +/-)?
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04:12<ivanovska>hi :)
04:12<musca>hi ivanovska
04:13<ivanovska>hi musca :)
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04:17<voltagex>hi, if I've just removed a static IPv6 address via ip -6 del, how can I get my interface to pick up the router advertisement?
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04:18<musca>hi voltagex
04:18<musca>!dhcp
04:18<dpkg>The Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) is used to provide configuration information (e.g. IP address, default route, name server addresses) for hosts on IP networks. Ask me about <dhcp client>. DHCP servers packaged for Debian include dnsmasq and isc-dhcp-server.
04:19<voltagex>it's not DHCPv6, it's stateless config AFAICT
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04:20<musca>!ipv6
04:20<dpkg>Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support was a release goal for Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 http://ipv6.debian.net/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ http://www.ipv6.org/ #debian-ipv6 on irc.oftc.net, #ipv6 on irc.freenode.net. To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>.
04:22<voltagex>heh
04:22<voltagex>thanks
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05:59<nocturnal>does anyone know how to setup an open AP using hostapd? no passphrase that is
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06:00<nocturnal>nvm I found an example finally
06:00<nocturnal>http://elinux.org/RPI-Wireless-Hotspot
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06:40<kssmani>is there any alternative software for MS Office 2010
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06:41<nocturnal>libreoffice is the closest you'll get
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06:42<kssmani>is there alternative for adobe indesign?
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06:45<nocturnal>the answers to both of those questions are more nuanced than yes and no. in short there is no fully adequate alternative to any of those softwares in linux. MS Excel supports crazy things that not even MS Excel for Mac supports, let alone libreoffice. and you could probably do publishing with a combination of postscript, gimp, imagemagick and other tools but it's not one entity like adobe indesign.
06:46<nocturnal>so if you want to replace them with Linux, you have a long road ahead of you. but it is ultimately possible to do office productivity and publishing on linux.
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07:27<xKILLUH-VANILLAx>hello
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07:29<xKILLUH-VANILLAx>hi
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07:30<xKILLUH-VANILLAx>hi
07:30<xKILLUH-VANILLAx>hi
07:30<xKILLUH-VANILLAx>boring -_-
07:30<Greylocks>!ask
07:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:31<xKILLUH-VANILLAx>i have a problem with my terminal everytime i click it ,it pops up and closes
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07:37<musca>did you put an "exit" into its startup files?
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07:56<RalfJ>Why does aptitude/apt write *tons* of data to the HDD while updating? I just did a single "aptitude update" on Debian testing (lotsof small downloads as the last one I did was Wednesday evening), and according to the SMART data of my SSD which was pretty accurate so far, that triggered 2GiB (!) of writes to the disk
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08:07<RalfJ>Seems O am not the first to notice, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/09/msg00682.html - but nobody gave any explanation why this happens...
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08:07<RalfJ>*I am
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08:14<cyan>hello all
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08:15<cyan>I would like to resize LVM /dev/debian/usr could you advise plz
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08:17<stderr>cyan: What filesystem? Some can't be resized easily and for some of the others, the filesystem has to be unmounted doing the resizing.
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08:19<cyan>ext4 filesytem I had installed wheezy with LVM.
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08:20<stderr>I don't use ext4 myself, so I don't know if you can resize it easily and if so, if you have to umount first. You'll have to check the man page for that.
08:21<cyan>and after installation I have got 8GB of /usr partition
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08:22<stderr>But to resize the LV, you would use either e.g. lvresize -L+4GB /dev/debian/usr or lvresize -L12GB /dev/debian/usr depending on whether you want to make it 4GB bigger or make it absolutely 12GB.
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08:23<cyan>but I should first make freespace?
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08:23<stderr>If your "debian" VG doesn't have any room left, yes, you would need to make some room first.
08:24<stderr>vgdisplay debian should tell you how much free space you got in that VG.
08:25<cyan>ok and I should use live media to boot for unmounting?
08:25<stderr>As I said, I don't know if ext4 can be resized on-the-fly or not.
08:25<cyan>Free PE / Size 0 / 0
08:26<stderr>In that case, you have to either add more PV or make some of your LVs smaller first.
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08:27<cyan>yes I have home partition /dev/debian/home [ 911.41 GiB]
08:28<cyan>ok thank you
08:28<stderr>I'm a bit surprised 8GB /usr isn't enough. I got less than 3GB in / (incl. /usr).
08:29<cyan>i am installing applications which are more than 5GB
08:29<cyan>thank you for help it is kind to you
08:29<stderr>Ok. I didn't know any of Debians packages were that big.
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08:30<stderr>No problem.
08:30<cyan>it is commercial one
08:30<stderr>And it installs in /usr? :-(
08:30<cyan>yes
08:30<stderr>Then I hope it at least installs in /usr/local...
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08:31<cyan>I will check it out
08:32<stderr>Personally I would have preferred if it installed in /opt
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08:33<stderr>If it does install in /usr/local, you could do something like mkdir ~/local ; ln -s ~/local /usr/local :-)
08:34<cyan>ok thank you for advice
08:34<cyan>I noted it
08:34<stderr>(Hmm, you would probably have to remove the original /usr/local before you make the link, but I did say "something like...".)
08:35<cyan>i resized
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08:35<cyan>without umount
08:36<cyan>just
08:36<cyan>lvresize -L-20GB /dev/debian/home
08:36<cyan>lvresize -L+20GB /dev/debian/usr
08:36<cyan>i check lvmdiskscan
08:36<cyan>it is done
08:36<cyan>very cool thank you
08:37<stderr>I hope you made sure to resize the filesystem on /home before you did that...
08:37<cyan>just perfect
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08:37<stderr>And you would need to resize the filesystem on /usr after doing that.
08:37<cyan>yes
08:37<cyan>it is done
08:37<stderr>Those two commands just resizes the "partition", not the filesystem.
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08:39<cyan>I think I need only resize LVM partitions
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08:40<stderr>The filesystem should be resized too.
08:40<cyan>I am check out it just - 20 from home and + to usr
08:40<cyan>could you explain plz how to do it
08:40<cyan>?
08:41<stderr>Without making the filesystem on /home smaller first, you could have inodes pointing to blocks at the end of the old LV. Those blocks are no longer part of the LV, but now part of another LV.
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08:42<stderr>I don't use ext4, so I don't know exactly how you would resize a ext4 filesystem. The man pages should tell you (if it's even possible).
08:43<cyan>ok I will check out man for resizing filesystem
08:44<cyan>thank you
08:45<stderr>You might have to undo the lvresize'ing first... And run a (forced) fsck on both filesystems to see if everything is still working.
08:46<cyan>how to lvresize'ing?
08:46<cyan>undo
08:46<cyan>?
08:47<stderr>I would _hope_ lvresize -L-20GB /dev/debian/usr ; lvresize -L+20GB /dev/debian/home would be enough.
08:47<stderr>But I'm not longer sure if we're just destroying your filesystems even more... :-(
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08:50<cyan>in fact I have no problem in my filesystem
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08:50<cyan>I have LVM
08:50<cyan>all partitions are logival
08:50<cyan>logical
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08:51<cyan>it works just fine
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08:52<cyan>how to run run a (forced) fsck?
08:52<stderr>fsck.ext4 -f /dev/debian/usr and likewise for home.
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08:54<cyan>i cannot run it since it is mounted
08:54<cyan>hehe I gous I have to restart to see it it really worked :)
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08:55<stderr>fsck.ext4 is in /sbin, so you might be able to umount /usr while you check it.
08:56<stderr>And if you got a real root account (no sudo), you could umount /home too.
08:56<cyan>I try
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09:00<cyan>umount: /usr: device is busy.
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09:01<cyan>with -l it works
09:04<cyan>I going to restart thank you see you later
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09:20<screwedupraid>can someone help me with an mdadm raid?
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09:34<lnxusr>hi everyone
09:35<lnxusr>somebody can tall me about a tool to conect Win7 with Lubuntu?
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09:36<screwedupraid>nobody knows how to rebuild an mdadm raid...?
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09:38<abrotman>lnxusr: you want #lubuntu on irc.freenode.net
09:38<abrotman>screwedupraid: there are tons of docs about this online
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09:42<ivanoov>hi :)
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10:25<kssmani>hi friends
10:25<kssmani>i am new user to linux
10:26<kssmani>i want alternatives to adobe softwares
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10:27<abrotman>which softwares?
10:28<lostatwork>if you mean flash you can always try gnash
10:30<kssmani>photoshop, illustrator, indesign
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10:31<dualbus>gimp, inkscape, I don't know what indesign is about
10:31<abrotman>photoshop is gimp, illustrator is inkscape, indesign is .. scribus maybe
10:31<abrotman>good luck
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10:32<kssmani>thank you
10:33<dualbus>kssmani: they're alternatives, not replacements :) so don't expect them to work just like the adobe ones.
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10:35<kssmani>if there is any way to install the adobe products. please tell me how?
10:35<abrotman>in wine, if it works at all
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11:44<flxmmr>hello, i have some serious problems with the xserver i updated today: it segfaults instantly if i start chrome and evolution (other programms work fine) (nvidia drivers 319.17 and x server 1.12.4)
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11:44<abrotman>flxmmr: using unstable?
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11:45<flxmmr>no wheezy :/
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12:15<houms>i am trying to set scheduler according to this https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization and sysfsutils is installed and the filed has the line but the scheduler is not being set. it seems sysfs is not set to start on boot. is that expected
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12:19<houms>I get this when i try to start sysfsutils manually http://pastie.org/8432711
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12:21<houms>or should i not be using this method?
12:21<houms>is udev a better route?
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12:23<nikos>HELLO
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12:29<houms>some theother links seem to imply cfq can now detect ssds and modify its behavior accordingly?
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12:44<vorticity>hi, i have a question
12:45<vorticity>how would i paste something that i copied from my browser into the nano/pico editor?
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12:45<vorticity>i seem to only be able to copy+paste things within the editors themselves
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13:22<chrisgt>i have a very weird issue with VirtualBox. it works perfectly fine until i put my computer to suspend. after waking it up from suspend vbox will always cause a kernel panic...
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13:27<buffoon>hi! I wanted to add TLS parameters to my slapd server but I missed to add the private key. Now slapd doesn't start and I cannot add the key file with slapadd. it says " str2entry: str2ad(add): attribute type undefined"
13:28<buffoon>content of the ldif file is dn: cn=config \n add: olcTLSCertificateKeyFile \n olcTLSCertificateKeyFile: /etc/ssl/private/ldap.key
13:28<buffoon>is there a certain line I have to add where I'm not aware of?
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13:53<Walex>chrisgt: why does that surprise you?
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14:00<kazzy>I changed my distro to debian from crunch bang & tbh i dont like debian anymore. so i formatted my usb on my old backup windows computer because i couldnt on debian i kept getting ''it's busy one or more recourses are using it (tried rebooting many times) so now after format I went ahead & dd it now it's crunch bang live usb. When I try to boot, I see my USBbut it says ''Debian'' next to it so it just boots up debian instead of crunch bang?
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14:03<kazzy>any help -_- ?
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14:18<Walex>kazzy: not clear what problem you are having. Also help within 4 minutes of asking is only for PLATINUM Debian support contract holders :-)
14:21<kazzy>u gotta pay for support? df
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14:22<SynrG>yanking your chain
14:22<SynrG>anyway, you've ditched debian and you're coming here for support?
14:23<SynrG>and you don't see any problem with that?
14:23<kazzy>LOL
14:23<kazzy>crunch bang is debian
14:23<abrotman>no, it's not
14:23<kazzy>yes it is
14:23<kazzy>IT comes with stuff pre-installed...
14:23<kazzy>lets not be down syndrome now
14:23<kazzy>:)
14:23<abrotman>no, if it were Debian, it would be called Debian
14:23<SynrG>!crunchbang
14:23<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>.
14:24<abrotman>kazzy: this is not up for debate, Crunchbang is not Debian, and not supported in #debian
14:24<kazzy>um this is support on why debian screwed my usb over?
14:24<kazzy>stop being arrogant
14:24<abrotman>stop being obtuse
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14:28<kazzy>lol IGHT abrotman
14:28<kazzy>so tell me abrotman, can you do me a favor & plug in a hdmi right now?
14:29<kazzy>see this why the debian repos got ddosd'
14:29<kazzy>you guys are rude af
14:29<kazzy>i might even power up my 40gb custom booter LOL
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14:29<abrotman>kazzy: this channel is not for crunchbang support, ask them why your usb drive isn't prepared correctly
14:29<kazzy>It is prepared correctly.
14:29<kazzy>DEBIAN MESSED UP MY USB
14:29<abrotman>okay
14:30<SynrG>debian doesn't mess up USBs. people mess up USBs. #debian could help you if you were running debian, but you're not. you're running crunchbang. so go to them for support.
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14:30<Walex>kazzy: your USB is a block device like any other. You can repartition it, change its label, whatever.
14:31<SynrG>crunch's install doc should tell you how to do that with whatever tools they support.
14:33<kazzy>na
14:33<kazzy>why is it when i boot up my usb it says debian in the boot selecton
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14:34<abrotman>ask the crunchbang people, not us
14:35<kazzy>it would say crunch if it was for them... ffs~
14:35<abrotman>anyone else?
14:36<SynrG>you said you replaced debian with cruncbang. clearly you failed in one of the steps *to install crunchbang*
14:36<SynrG>this makes it a crunchbang support question. full stop.
14:36<kazzy>No I worded it wrong
14:36<kazzy>I'm TRYING to go back to crunch bang
14:36<kazzy>but debian is being down syndrome!
14:36<abrotman>so ask them why their installer isn't prepared correctly, not us
14:36<abrotman>is that two I hear?
14:36<kazzy>it's prepared correctly because i just booted it the other day...
14:37<abrotman>then there's no problem, good luck
14:37<kazzy>thanks ill need it with no support -_-
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14:45<chrisgt>Walex: i dunno. should it? vbox works fairly well otherwise. what would cause this?
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14:46<Walex>chrisgt: the VBox kernel driver is well known for being not well written, and the suspend mode in the kernel is rather buggy on many platforms, and putting together two subtle, difficult operations like suspend and virtualisation might leads to complications.
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14:48<chrisgt>huh. because i close all the virturalbox stuff before suspend, and it still happens. even if i reload the vbox kernel driver after resume
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14:49<SamB>Linux doesn't support unloading kernel modules does it?
14:49<chrisgt>well the vbox kernel module or whatever you call it is a module
14:49<chrisgt>you can just use modprobe on it
14:49<abrotman>SamB: sure it does
14:50<SamB>oh, yeah, I just remembered there was a tool called rmmod
14:50<chrisgt>it's not compiled into the kernel
14:50<abrotman>SamB: and modprobe
14:50<SamB>but I suspect it doesn't tend to do it on its own?
14:50<abrotman>too many vague 'it'
14:51<chrisgt>modules hopefully don't automatically remove themself
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14:52<SamB>I've noticed that Windows has a tendancy to load and unload some of the sound-related modules a lot depending on whether or not you are actually using them
14:52<chrisgt>i'm in a grumpy mood in general about suspend today. when i hit the power button to wake my machine up this morning somehow my raid got out of sync. and i spent 2 hours in knoppix reading mdadm manuals before i got it working again...
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14:52<chrisgt>windows also has a tendancy to remove modules for things while you're using them
14:52<chrisgt>and then crash
14:53<SamB>didn't really notice much of that
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14:54<chrisgt>i quit my job doing IT to go back to school. so i don't really care what windows does or doesn't do anymore LOL
14:54<SamB>I don't remember how many times it crashed with the kernel debugging enabled though ...
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14:59<r3c4ll>In this wiki page ( https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid ) the red note "Not to be confused with the Linux kernel's software RAID feature (Multidisk Device). This is the preferable and more reliable method to establish software RAID arrays. " mean that MD is better than Bios SATA RAID? or is Bios SATA RAID better than kernel MD?
15:00<abrotman>r3c4ll: is your raid, real raid or fakeraid?
15:01<r3c4ll>Sorry, but i don't understand it... someone with fake SATA Bios Raid and Kernel MD experience...?
15:01<chrisgt>i just went through hell this mornig to make my mdadm raid work again. are you using mdadm?
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15:01<r3c4ll>abrotman my bios accept SATA RAID... but i can do MD if it is better
15:01<EmleyMoor>r3c4ll: Linux software RAID will work on any controller. "Fake RAID" is found on many motherboards and is generally not "cross-compatible". No experience of "real RAID"
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15:02<abrotman>r3c4ll: yes, but is it fake raid or not ?
15:02<abrotman>!fakeraid
15:02<dpkg>Fakeraid is a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid
15:02<EmleyMoor>r3c4ll: MD is better than typical motherboard "RAID"
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15:03<SamB>I didn't think anything used the BIOS to read from disks anymore, so how can that work at all in this day and age?
15:05<EmleyMoor>SamB: In this case, the BIOS "fakes" some kind of RAID controller that the OS picks up on.
15:06<r3c4ll>abrotman is a motherboard raid (Asus M5A78L-M LX v2), then i think is fake since i have'nt a separate raid controler...
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15:06<chrisgt>i realyl recommend not using this type. if the motherboard fails you'll have a hard time recovering that raid in another machine
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15:06*EmleyMoor has been using Linux software RAID for years and has replaced his motherboard twice without problems occurring.
15:07<r3c4ll>Thank you EmleyMoor !
15:07<chrisgt>i said crap motherboard raid will give you issues
15:07<chrisgt>i've transferred software raid arrays between machines, too
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15:07<abrotman>r3c4ll: if it's fakeraid, don't use it
15:07<abrotman>or rather, don't use the fakeraid bios stuff
15:08<EmleyMoor>I've got another machine with Linux software RAID that has yet to need more than one poweroff (and that was to move house). It's been rebooted from time to time, of course, and has also been affected by a power cut.
15:09<r3c4ll>Ok abrotman thanks
15:09<chrisgt>what form of linux raid do you use?
15:09<EmleyMoor>Oh, and that new one is still on its original discs
15:10<chrisgt>because i think i have mine set up really funky
15:10<EmleyMoor>chrisgt: Normally RAID1 for boot, a RAID6 with LVM and spare space RAID0 and/or linear
15:10<chrisgt>hmm. yea. mine must be weird, then.
15:10<chrisgt>i use mdadm raid. and i boot from it..
15:11<EmleyMoor>chrisgt: I boot from the RAID1
15:11<chrisgt>sda1 is /boot. then sda2, sdb2, and sdc2 are set up in a raid5
15:11<chrisgt>i have the bootloader on sda1 /boot for assembling the raid..
15:12<r3c4ll>Then, i have this motherboard, a AMD FX-6100 and four SATA disks of 2TB each one... the machine will be used to learn about VM (Xen and KVM) what kind of RAID you suggest me between 5 or 10? and why?
15:13<abrotman>10
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15:13<EmleyMoor>5 is good - 1 disc overhead. 6 has 2 disc overhead. 10 I'm not really familiar with, but many say it has definite pros.
15:13<abrotman>don't use 5
15:13<abrotman>google "baarf"
15:13<chrisgt>i've had good luck with raid5
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15:13<abrotman>i shouldn't say don't use it, but understand why it's not generally the best
15:13<jordanm>10 for performance, 5 for redundency and space and you don't care that write performance is terrible
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15:14*abrotman makes jordanm also google "baarf"
15:14<jordanm>well, I should say the redundency of 5 is also worse than 10, but the redundency exists
15:14<jordanm>abrotman: I have read baarf
15:14<EmleyMoor>6 for better redundancy at the expense of more write performance
15:15<abrotman>so not 5 for redundancy ?
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15:17<jordanm>more redundancy than no RAID at all
15:17<jordanm>or RAID0 if you even want to consider that RAID
15:17<abrotman>it's not
15:18<r3c4ll>Thank you all... i'll try with 10... jordanm worse than 10? why worse? i think 10 is a combination of 1+0... then it redundency must be fine... or not?
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15:21<r3c4ll>*redundancy :P
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15:48<free-electron>After now and then, syslog complains IRQ16 has been disabled, X feels sluggish. The only way to resolve the issue is to reboot. I'm running Debian 7.2.
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15:50<free-electron>Here's my /proc/interrupts
15:50<free-electron>https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7173721
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15:54<terrible96>hi i have problem with the public key here my repo list http://paste.debian.net/61986/
15:55<terrible96>and here the error http://paste.debian.net/61988/
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16:27<petn-randall>terrible96: Your sources.list looks correct, I guess there's an intermittent problem with the repo.
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16:28<terrible96>petn-randall, i guess the problem is with release and beta version
16:29<petn-randall>terrible96: I'd just wait for a day, and if the problem hasn't resolved itself report it to Debian's Mozilla team
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16:45<andrey>hello!
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16:46<andrey>пыщ-пыщ-пыщ, from russia!
16:46<abrotman>!ru
16:46<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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17:29<caravel>good evening there
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17:36<caravel>I'd like a hint please: I'm migrating a user from XP to Debian -- right now I'm extracting data using Clonezilla's cli, prior to system backup. But I get regular CPU temp warnings, then back to "normal" it says, as well as mce errors ("machine error events logged"). Copy keeps progressing thou..
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17:37<caravel>That's Clonezilla standard and stable (hence based on Debian, their doc says - it's a 3.10 kernel), there's no mcelog cli tool apparently
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17:39<caravel>I'm reading http://www.mcelog.org but that's all new to me -- Should I better abort the data moving and figure the issue using a richer live (or attempt install mcelog client maybe?)
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17:41<caravel>I couldn't find any more detail logs, there's no /var/log/mcelog either
17:42<caravel>Is there something I could do to extract the event details, or just *not* without booting another kernel/environment?
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17:47<deanL>I have a log file from a webapp using spring core framework. Can you suggest any tool to perform some analysis ?
17:47<ectospasm>less? view?
17:48<abrotman>deanL: what sort of analysis?
17:48<deanL>ectospasm: Not just viewing, i was thinking something like executing SQL commands or something.
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17:48<alegen>ok...
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17:49<abrotman>deanL: logstash/elasticsearch/kibana
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17:52<deanL>Thanks abrotman, i will have a look. In general if you have a log file from an app and wanna make another app is it better to just load the logs to a database or use something like the tools your proposed?
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17:53<abrotman>deanL: it depends how much analysis you want to do
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18:14<michael_>\me
18:14*michael_ jumps
18:14<musca>hi michael_
18:15<michael_>hi musca...
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18:16<elena>list
18:16<ovoxo>How do I use HDMI ? Plugging it in to the TV & My computer doesn't automatically show it on the TV
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18:16<abrotman>xrandr perhaps
18:17<ovoxo>hmm ill try that
18:17<ovoxo>xrandr
18:17<ovoxo>No protocol specified
18:17<ovoxo>Can't open display :0.0
18:17<ovoxo>thats what i get when i type in xrandy in terminal
18:17<ovoxo>xrandar*
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18:18<abrotman>don't run it as root
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18:19<ovoxo>http://pastebin.com/N8UEjUr7
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18:21<ovoxo>abrotman: sorry, didn't have it plugged it. here it is: http://pastebin.com/z755DUvr
18:22<abrotman>so change your output
18:22<ovoxo>how do i do that?
18:22<abrotman>man xrandr
18:22<ovoxo>ok now what
18:23<abrotman>read it
18:23<ovoxo>is there a GUI verson?
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18:28<ovoxo>abrotman: I can't find the GUI version ?
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18:28<musca>which gui is it?
18:29<ovoxo>xrandr so i can watch a movie on my tv using hdmi..
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18:33<ovoxo>ugh why the fuck doesnt hdmi work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
18:33<ovoxo>WHAT IS WRONG WITH LINUX
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18:35<ixi>ovoxo you were pointed to the man page that describes how it works
18:35<ixi>what is wrong with you?
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18:36<ovoxo>I don't have time to read all that?
18:36<ixi>as you wish?
18:36<ovoxo>does it sound like i want to sit for hours trying to figure some HDMI problem?
18:36<ovoxo>just want to spend time with my family and this stupid ass os is not helping
18:37<ovoxo>..
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18:39<ovoxo>k arandr worked better then stupid xrandr
18:39<abrotman>yeah .. stupid ..
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18:40<abrotman>never a pebkac
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18:40<ovoxo>LOL I'm a moron ?
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18:41<ovoxo>Sorry I don't spend my whole damn day typing in worthless shit just to get something working, Who has time for linux? I bet you guys don't even know what family is. Being stuck in your room all day on linux.
18:41<ovoxo>LOLLLLLLLLLLL
18:41<abrotman>then don't use Debian
18:41<ovoxo>I'll DDOS the repos right now if i wanted to ?
18:41-!-mode/#debian [+o Ganneff] by ChanServ
18:41<ixi>lol
18:41<abrotman>there are linux distros made for newbies and folks that don't want to learn
18:42-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
18:42<ovoxo>name the distro that can use a hdmi without having to do all this confusing crap ?
18:42-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@97.103.37.84] by abrotman
18:42-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
18:42<abrotman>ovoxo: this channel is for Debian support, try not to abuse people endlessly.
18:42<abrotman>ovoxo: take a timeout, think about how you can get help in an effective way without being rude to everyone in sight
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18:47<Apollo>this was amusing
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19:00<redder>i tried using the "javac" command to compile a java program but the terminal returns "javac: command not found", how do i compile java in debian?
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19:02<retrospectacus>!tell redder about install java
19:02<ixi>you need a JDK I beleive
19:03<retrospectacus>redder: install the package openjdk-7-jdk
19:03<ixi>yeah that one
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19:06<redder>retrospectacus, ixi ok do i use apt-get or aptitude?
19:06<redder>retrospectacus, ixi and whats the difference betw jdk and jre?
19:07<ixi>either works
19:07<ixi>jdk is what you need for development
19:07<ixi>jre is what you need to run compiled java stuff
19:07<retrospectacus>"runtime environment" provides the "java" command
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19:07<retrospectacus>"development kit" provides the "javac"
19:08<ixi>(ie you dont need a compiler at run time so jre doesn't provide that)
19:08<retrospectacus>(and others)
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19:10<redder>retrospectacus, ixi ok i tried to install jdk but i got a lot of error url not found messages, do i need to install jre first?
19:10<retrospectacus>no
19:10<ixi>redder pastebin errors or http://paste.debian.net
19:10<retrospectacus>you might just need to run 'apt-get update"
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19:12<redder>http://pastebin.com/L6JeTA1x
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19:13<redder>there is some of the error message, ill try update in a minute retrospectacus and ixi
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19:13<ixi>seems like your resolver isn't configured properly
19:13<ixi>or your DNS server is down
19:14<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell redder about pastebin.com
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19:15<ixi>weird though, he can reach pastebin.com but not s.d.o
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19:16<redder>retrospectacus, ixi i think i got it working now, th
19:16<redder>thx
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19:19<redder>ixi it seems to have worked this time
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19:20<ixi>ok
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19:20<mezimezim>I am looking for an alternative to gmail and hotmail etc
19:21<ectospasm>Yahoo! Mail?
19:21<ectospasm>or do you mean mutt?
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19:21<mezimezim>anyone has an idea if there is something available, perhaps open source?
19:21<ixi>gmail/hotmail are services
19:22<ixi>not software...
19:22<mezimezim>it seems like gmail is getting a bit more "big brother-like" everyday
19:22<ectospasm>you mean it wasn't when it started?
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19:23<ectospasm>Google parses every email you send and receive
19:23<mezimezim>it might have been ...but it shows more now
19:24<mezimezim>i'd rather pay and not be screened
19:24<ectospasm>mezimezim: so run your own mail server
19:24<ectospasm>...but then you get all those headaches
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19:25<mezimezim>I mean pay for a service, but without the advertisement and the data ownership etc.
19:26<mezimezim>I might turn to Canada Post :)
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19:27<ectospasm>well, if you subscribe to any service, you're essentially putting your trust in them.
19:28<Greylocks>mezimezim: check out https://mykolab.com/ they may have what you are looking for.
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19:29<ixi>mezimezim if you're concerned about your privacy consider hosting your own email server
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19:30<ixi>on hardware you control
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19:32<redder>ixi retrospectacus i tried to run a small java file and got this error http://paste.debian.net/62043/
19:32<r3c4ll>Some guide or manual to make get working KVM on 7.2?
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19:32<redder>ixi retrospectacus any ideas what happened?
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19:33<ixi>redder you're running it wrong, probably?
19:33<ixi>not sure
19:33<ixi>I think #java will know (on freenode maybe)
19:33<redder>ixi thx
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19:40<mezimezim>greylocks - that seems like it indeed, thanks. do you have any experience with them?
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19:41<mezimezim>they seem to run on open source machines
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19:43<Greylocks>mezimezim: np I only messed it while they were still beta testing. Not since it ended though
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20:03<waxhead>I just installed libsdl2 with aptitude and plan to use it with codeblocks. I can't find the library anywhere. First time trying developing on debian. Where do I look for the files?
20:05<ixi>to get development files (.c/.h/etc) you need -dev package
20:06<ixi>for example package libsdl2-dev provides all kinds of includes in /usr/include/SDL2/
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20:08<waxhead>ixi yes I did install the dev package. Sorry for being unclear. Ok thanks!
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20:09<ixi>np
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21:57<AndChat|224721>Every time islet laptop sit to long or close lid and starts up only shows black screen? Sorry about disconnects rougher sucks here
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22:53<alan>is there something going on with the dATabase these days? no headers?
22:54<@abrotman>the database?
22:54<stderr>What database?
22:55<alan>when I use apt-get it craps out and says it could not find the header.
22:55<alan>use anthing actually
22:55<alan>I am in Canada
22:56<@abrotman>maybe it's your proxy?
22:56-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
22:57<alan>sure it could be.
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22:58<Che-Anarc>Is there any stack like xampp with tomcat7 included?
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22:59<Che-Anarc>I'm having trouble setting tomcat7 for a production server - had openJDK 1.6 which was working with some version but after jdk/jre update things broke down.
22:59<alan>But it is just at the end and then sometimes it works.
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23:00<Che-Anarc>even my default 8080 page stopped working :-(
23:00<alan>I am very sorry gang I goott GO TO BED
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23:00<alan>CHEERS
23:01<alan>EXITY
23:01<stderr>No need to shout...
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23:01<alan>sorry stuck key, did not mean to shout.
23:01<alan>cheers,
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23:07<SamB>hehe, trouble figuring out how to leave huh?
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