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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-10-27

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03:02<genomedz>hello
03:02<genomedz>I"m new user for ubuntu, I don't find skype in the software center
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03:02<genomedz>any help please
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03:05<devil>genomedz: for one, this is debian, not ubuntu
03:05<devil>genomedz: you probably need to fetch skype from their website
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03:05<devil>genomedz: for more you need to visit #ubuntu on freenode
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03:20<genomedz>okay devil thank you very much
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04:10<bela>hy
04:10<Yannick>fuck you
04:10<bela>need help
04:11<Yannick>do it yourself
04:11<bela>4 time user
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04:12<bela>how do i know what is istaled and what is not
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04:19<jeffree>what?
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04:20<babilen>jeffree: forget it, troll meets new user :)
04:20<jeffree>hmm, ok
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04:29<MichaelPaoli>sources.list and apt-cdrom; apt-cdrom -m -d=/media/cdrom9 add updates sources.list, but aptitude & apt-get fail to use that ISO: W: Failed to fetch cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 7.2.0 _Wheezy_ ... Please use apt-cdrom to ...
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04:44<ivanoov>hi :)
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04:55<Walex>MichaelPaoli: is that a problem?
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04:55<MichaelPaoli>Walex Yes, keeps needlessly pulling stuff from mirrors when it already exists on the ISO.
04:56<MichaelPaoli>Walex ... multiplied by several installations.
04:56<Walex>MichaelPaoli: "Failed to fetch" seems fairly clear...
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04:57<MichaelPaoli>Walex Why does it "fail to fetch"? - apt-cdrom add sees it just fine and adds it to sources.list, but aptitude and apt-get fail to access the contents of the mounted ISO.
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04:59<Walex>MichaelPaoli: try 'apt-cdrom' ident to double check
04:59<Walex>MichaelPaoli: try 'apt-cdrom ident' to double check
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05:00<babilen>MichaelPaoli: How do you mount it?
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05:02<MichaelPaoli>Walex apt-cdrom ident gives: Using CD-ROM mount point /media/cdrom/ Mounting CD-ROM E: Failed to mount the cdrom. - how do I tell it not to mount it (and not to umount it) and to use /media/cdrom9 ?
05:02<Walex>MichaelPaoli: with '-d' again then
05:02<babilen>MichaelPaoli: Please paste your *entire* commnands (from mounting the iso, adding it with apt-cdrom to apt-get update) and their output to http://paste.debian.net please
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05:03<MichaelPaoli>Walex I've used the -m and -d options on apt-cdrom - that doesn't suffice.
05:03<Walex>MichaelPaoli: please do as <babilen> says, including the line in trhe sources.list file
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05:04<babilen>no idea right now, but we might spot an error somewhere. It's been quite a while since I've done this though :)
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05:05<MichaelPaoli>Hmmmm, how do I use http://paste.debian.net/ - it just gives me a blank document page?
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05:05<Walex>MichaelPaoli: I think that you really want to use a 'file:' line in 'sources.list' rather than 'cdrom:'
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05:06<MichaelPaoli>Walex Maybe, ... ought to be doable with apt-cdrom & apt configuration though. apt-cdrom certainly seems to suggest it ought work.
05:06<Walex>MichaelPaoli: the 'cdrom:' type involves giving the CD label and automounting...
05:07<MichaelPaoli>Walex Yeah, but apt-cdrom has these lovely -m and -d options to tell it not to mount/umount, and to use an alternate location - but how to get apt/aptitude/apt-get to know about an use that and likewise not mount/umount it?
05:07<Walex>MichaelPaoli: since you are sure that the CD is already mounted on './media/cdrom9' you should specify that directly.
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05:08<Walex>MichaelPaoli: 'apt-cdrom' is just a tool to setup an appropriate 'cdrom:' line in 'sources.list'. At installation time it is the relevant APT frontend that does the mounting.
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05:09<Walex>MichaelPaoli: you can always write the relevant line in 'source.list' by hand instead of using 'apt-cdrom'.
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05:24<MichaelPaoli>Okay, got it pasted on pate.debian.net
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05:26<MichaelPaoli>Walex babilen Hmmmm, ... but all the documentation seems to say don't put cdrom entry in sources.list by hand, only use apt-cdrom to put the proper entry in there. Anyway, hopefully the pasted stuff is fairly informative (without being unduly excessive).
05:27<Walex>MichaelPaoli: if you know that the CD is mounted on '/media/cdrom9/' just oput the path in a 'file:' line.
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05:48<MichaelPaoli>Walex babilen So, with sources.list line of: deb [ arch=amd64 ] file:/media/cdrom9 wheezy main With # aptitude update I get: Ign file: wheezy Release.gpg Get: 1 file: wheezy Release [17.3 kB] Err file: wheezy/main amd64 Packages (with that last error appearing thrice).
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05:53<magnetophon>sometimes my touchpad pointer gets stuck in one place, and any movement i make is interpreted as scrolling. stopping and starting x resolves it. what's going on?
05:55<Walex>MichaelPaoli: well, here "deb [arch=amd64] file:/media/cdrom9 wheezy main" works all right
05:56<Walex>magnetophon: I saw something similar and it is a bug in some part of X.
05:57<magnetophon>Walex: should i file a bugreport to debian or to x, or neither?
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06:04<Walex>MichaelPaoli: I looked into the errors you are seeing and they happen when 'apt-get' tries to open 'Packages' uncompressed or with 'lzma' or ;xz' compression.
06:05<Walex>MichaelPaoli: I looked into the errors you are seeing and they happen when 'apt-get' tries to open 'Packages' compressed with '.bz2' or with 'lzma' or ;xz' compression.
06:05<MichaelPaoli>Walex Yep, ... I was looking over strace output ... seems that's what it does before kicking out those errors.
06:06<MichaelPaoli>Walex So, the errors might be "harmless", but ... annoying, ... and, ... shouldn't get in the habit of ignoring error diagnostics/messages :-/
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06:07<MichaelPaoli>Walex I think once upon a time, on a different Debian Installation, I did have it working with cdrom entry in sources.list and non-default mount point and had it not mounting/unmounting, as it was "permanently" mounted ... but I'm not able to find that older configuration at this time - at least not easily, anyway, ... and that was, I think, several years or more ago.
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06:08<Walex>MichaelPaoli: 'cdrom:' lines have a CDROm label and 'apt-get' etc. will prompt to mount them. 'file:' is for already mounted directories, whether on CDROM or otherwise.
06:08<MichaelPaoli>Walex I think it involved some custom apt configuration bits to tell apt where the "media" (ISO) was, and to not mount/umount it.
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06:14<MichaelPaoli>Walex There's an apt CDROM NoMount setting ... ah, and a mountpoint configuration ... let me see if I can get that to work file://localhost/usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz
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06:22<kssmani>hello can any one help me install vlc player and libreoffice in ubuntu studio 12.04
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06:55<babilen>MichaelPaoli: [arch=amd64] is an Ubuntuism and not needed on Debian as our mirrors provide all architectures. I had hoped that you could paste your output to http://paste.debian.net and provide us with the URL, but meh. I'll be back later and might take another look. The general idea is to loop mount the iso and add that with apt-cdrom.
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06:56<IvanCosta>Hi, folks!
06:56<MichaelPaoli>babilen I did paste to http://paste.debian.org ... and with multi-arch, without [arch=amd64] using file: method, it tries to get both amd64 and i386 ... from the amd64 cdrom ISO image.
06:57<IvanCosta>Does anyone use Debian Live?
06:57<babilen>MichaelPaoli: I've never seen the URL and it is hard to find pastes without it as scripts paste to it too.
06:57<MichaelPaoli>IvanCosta I use it on occasion - typically fire it up on a VM.
06:57<babilen>IvanCosta: yes
06:58<babilen>!next
06:58<dpkg>A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed!
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06:58<babilen>IvanCosta: It is typically a better idea to simply ask your real question (unless that was your real question). Please note that there is also #debian-live.
06:58<MichaelPaoli>babilen Ah, buggers ... paste didn't take - let me do that again.
06:59<babilen>MichaelPaoli: I might take a look later :)
06:59<MichaelPaoli>babilen Thanks.
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06:59<babilen>MichaelPaoli: And I forgot that the iso is, naturall, arch specific :)
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07:00<IvanCosta>I used Debain about a 2 years and always used live os just to fixed some file. Now, I want install from my live pen and the debian-installer-launcher doesn't work.
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07:01<IvanCosta>Is the third .iso that I downloaded and the same problem...
07:02<IvanCosta>Anyone knows something about it?
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07:15<babilen>IvanCosta: I always use the "real" installer images for installations. Also:
07:15<babilen>dpkg: doesn't work
07:15<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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07:19<SynrG>ATS63: you had asked on #debian-eeepc:
07:20<SynrG><ATS63> Having trouble with a 701SD running 7.2 and connecting to my WiFi network... keeps saying the password is wrong yet it works on my android fine? Could anybody help?
07:20<SynrG>as i said there, i'm inclined to say you should try a kernel backport
07:20<ATS63>Yep just trying that now
07:21<SynrG>and just to confirm:
07:21<SynrG>lspci -nn | grep -i network
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07:21<SynrG>my understanding is that you have RTL8187SE, but I've known ASUS to substitute other chipsets in some models, depending on where/when the device was made.
07:22<SynrG>(without any change in model#)
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07:24<ATS63>Yep 8187SE
07:24<ATS63>Can't seem to get the copy and paste working in this web irc client :/
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07:27<SynrG>ATS63: ah well, no matter. the [####:####] from the end of that line is what i was after.
07:28<ATS63>01:00.0
07:28<SynrG>no
07:28<ATS63>ooh
07:28<ATS63>10ec:8199
07:28<SynrG>,pciid [10ec:8199]
07:28<judd>[10ec:8199] is 'RTL8187SE Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8187se' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8199 http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x
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07:29<SynrG>ATS63: and what kernel do you have? uname -r
07:30<SynrG>,kernels
07:30<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.11-trunk-686-pae (3.11-1~exp1); sid: 3.11-1-686-pae (3.11.5-1); jessie: 3.10-3-686-pae (3.10.11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.10.11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4)
07:30<ATS63>3.2.0-4-686-pae
07:30<ATS63>Now rebooting for 3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae
07:30<SynrG>good. so contrary to my recollection it wasn't supported until wheezy.
07:31<SynrG>(the kmuto page says 2.6.34)
07:31<MichaelPaoli>Walex babilen Okay, got it pasted: http://paste.debian.net/62193/
07:32<ATS63>Really? The ubuntu I had was fairly old and it worked. And then I upgraded and it broke, heh
07:32<SynrG>it might have been backported to a point-release of squeeze
07:32<SynrG>and the ubuntu and debian kernels in old releases weren't necessarily in sync
07:32<gsimmons>SynrG: No, rtl8187se was introduced in Linux 2.6.29.
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07:33<SynrG>gsimmons: introduced in is not the same as "works perfectly" :)
07:33<gsimmons>True.
07:33<babilen>MichaelPaoli: I never used that method of mounting. Please revert all that and manually *loop* mount the iso and check if that works.
07:34<SynrG>it seems likely that some fixes went into squeeze in point releases, though, given it was introduced that long ago
07:34<SynrG>there may be some regression here specific to 3.2 :p
07:34<gsimmons>I think the driver is /still/ part of staging, if that's any indication of quality.
07:34<SynrG>yeah
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07:35<SynrG>it's a really strange chipset used in few systems
07:35<MichaelPaoli>babilen Manually loop mount the ISO where? If I stick it on /cdrom it works.
07:35<ATS63>No joy with the backport
07:35<MichaelPaoli>babilen ... or /media/cdrom - I forget - whatever the apt default is (or they may be symlinked).
07:35<babilen>MichaelPaoli: Whereever you want to mount it, it really doesn't matter. Add that to /etc/fstab and add it with apt-cdrom.
07:36<babilen>(the /etc/fstab is not necessary)
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07:36<babilen>either way, have to run now. Good luck!
07:37<MichaelPaoli>babilen But that's all there and been done - it's in /etc/fstab, mounted, mounts fine, validates fine, etc.
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07:39<babilen>MichaelPaoli: So, why do you have all that mounting stuff configured?
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07:39<babilen>(line 17-83)
07:40<babilen>bbl
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07:40<MichaelPaoli>babilen In apt? Because if I don't, apt wants to mount it and umount it and wants to use the default location - which if course gets in the way of the default location of the actual optical drive. Not to mention I also want to leave the ISO mounted, as it's often used by other VMs, etc.
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07:41<ATS63>hmm thats weird... apparently I forgot the password for my adsl modem and wifi access points... hah
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07:48<ATS63>Ahh remembered the password
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07:48<jeffree>what is it?
07:48<ATS63>SynrG: it works if I downgrade the encryption to WEP. Neither WPA or WPA2 work
07:49<ATS63>jeffree: NSApleasedontlook
07:49<jez9999>Help. I installed a Realtek driver package from here: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=13&PFid=5&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false
07:49<jez9999>called "LINUX driver for kernel 3.x and 2.6.x and 2.4.x"
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07:49<jeffree>seems strong enough
07:49<jez9999>it didn't do anything to make my sound work, but more importantly, it has made my eth1 interface disappear. :-(
07:49<jeffree>but wait, wep?
07:50<jez9999>even ifconfig -a doesn't show it now. :-(
07:50<ATS63>Yeah exactly, wep seems strong enough
07:50<ATS63>The NSA won't look etc.
07:50<ATS63>Google either
07:50<jeffree>you know wep is weak, right?
07:51<ATS63>You know there is a thing called sarcasm, right?
07:51<jeffree>yes, just checking
07:51<jeffree>I don't always get it
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07:54<ATS63>Get what?
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07:55<jeffree>the sarcasm
07:55<ATS63>Sarcasm?
07:55<jeffree>sometimes I am stupid
07:55<jeffree>yes
07:55<ATS63>How?
07:55<jeffree>how what? lol
07:55<jeffree>there is no process to explain
07:56<KiloSerria>Crunchbang?
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08:02<IvanCosta>I'm sorry, I was out.
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08:04<KiloSerria>crunchbang?
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08:05<IvanCosta>The debian-installer-launcher doesn't nothing. So I went to terminal and execute it: "./debian-installer-laucher 80: can't open plugins/*"
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08:05<free-electron>After now and then, syslog complains IRQ16 has been disabled, X feels sluggish. The only way to resolve the issue is to reboot. I'm running Debian 7.2.
08:05<free-electron>Here's my /proc/interrupts
08:05<free-electron>https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7173721
08:06<IvanCosta>Fews moments ago I downloaded the Debian 7 XFCE live and I had the same problem...
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08:39<MichaelPaoli>babilen http://paste.debian.net/62212/
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08:58<SynrG>ATS63: that's unfortunate. as gsimmons observed earlier, the driver is still in 'staging' which bodes poorly for it ... if you ever hope to do better, you might replace the card.
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09:15<derrick>I need help installing my graphics driver
09:16<derrick>gnome is in fallback mode
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09:19*mshuler shakes head
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09:20<mshuler>..and he's back
09:20<mshuler>what chipset, derrick?
09:20<derrick>not sure what happened
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09:20<derrick>not sure, would that be in the lspci result?
09:21<mshuler>yes, that should help figure it out
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09:21<mshuler>derrick: look for the VGA line
09:22<derrick>00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor DRAM Controller (rev 02) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor PCI Express x16 Root Port (rev 02) 00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset HECI Controller (rev 06)
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09:22<derrick>that is the first 3 lines
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09:23<mshuler>none of which is your VGA line ;)
09:23<derrick>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Manhattan [Mobility Radeon HD 5430 Series]
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09:24<derrick>does that help?
09:24<mshuler>!radeon
09:24<dpkg>Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>, <radeon audio>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>.
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09:25<mshuler>derrick: I think installing libgl1-mesa-dri should get you 3D with the radeon driver - try that
09:25<derrick>not sure what all that means
09:25<derrick>ok thanks
09:25<mshuler>derrick: the dpkg bot has all kinds of help - /msg dpkg <terms> in your irc client to get help
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09:26<mshuler>for instance, if you want more info on the above referenced non-free drivers
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09:27<derrick>synaptic says that is already installed
09:28<mshuler>hmm..
09:28<derrick>xserver-xorg-video-radeon
09:28<derrick>is installed as well
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09:28<mshuler>derrick: what does 'glxinfo |grep -i render' give you - do you get a Yes for direct rendering?
09:29<derrick>I tried to follow some direction on the debian site to install the proprietary driver but that resulted in no gnome just tty
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09:29<mshuler>oh, so you might be running fglrx?
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09:29<derrick>direct rendering: Yes OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x209) GL_NV_conditional_render, GL_AMD_draw_buffers_blend,
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09:30<derrick>I am running fglrx
09:30<derrick>it is installed
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09:30<derrick>but not working
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09:30<mshuler>ok, that looks fine to me - as for gnome not behaving...
09:30<mshuler> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
09:30<mshuler>I don't use gnome
09:30<derrick>gnome fallback isn't so great
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09:31<derrick>I like it fine, I have debian testing installed on an eeepc, I am fine with it
09:31<mshuler>hang out - someone else here might be able to help (or there are alternative DEs like KDE)
09:31<derrick>thanks,
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09:32<mshuler>derrick: are you using stable/wheezy, by the way?
09:32<derrick>stable
09:32<derrick>fresh install
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09:33<derrick>the amd website says I should use their 13.4 driver but not sure what to do once Ii get it downloaded
09:33<mshuler>you might paste your xorg log on http://paste.debian.net/ and post the link
09:33<derrick>how to I get that?
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09:35<mshuler>oh, that would be /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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09:38<derrick>here it is paste.debian.net/62225
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09:39<derrick>anyone have experience with amd/ati graphic drivers?
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09:44<rudi_s>!amd
09:44<dpkg>Advanced Micro Devices is a semiconductor manufacturer. For support of ATI/AMD graphics hardware, ask me about <ati>. See also <amd64>, <coolnquiet>, <k7>.
09:44<rudi_s>!nvidia
09:44<dpkg>Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
09:44<rudi_s>derrick: ^
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09:49<derrick>gnome is in fallback mode, I am thinking it must be the driver problem
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10:12<derrick>gnome is running in fallback mode, I think itis the graphics driver, anyone have experience?
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10:15<derrick>if I download the driver.zip file then how do I install?
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10:22<debianer_>Hi there. I have a digital camera, which will not mounted if I plug the camera in. Any ideas?
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10:26<nadir>I have set the date with "date -s 2013:10:27" How do i set the time with the command date?
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10:28<ixi>date --set="2004-02-29 16:21:42"
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10:29<ixi>or so
10:29<ixi>debianer_ explain "will not mounted"
10:30<nadir>ixi: yup, thanks. (I missed the quotes ... duh)
10:32<debianer_>ixi: It is detected by the system ("lsusb" shows the camera), but there is no mass media device.
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10:32<ixi>debianer_ explain "mass media device"
10:33<debianer_>ixi: It´s like a usb device. You can plug it in and can copy files from them with the filemanger.
10:33<debianer_>ixi: Do you know, what I mean?
10:33<ixi>what does a camera have to do with copying files though
10:34<ixi>no, I don't know what you mean
10:34<ixi>what is your expected result?
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10:34<mtn>he means mass storage device I bet
10:34<debianer_>ixi: I want to copy files from the camera with a filemanager.
10:34<ixi>O_o
10:34<nadir>Short ago someone reported problems with usb-devices in #debian-next. If you are running a new(er) kernel you might keep that in mind, as a possiple culprit.
10:34<ixi>debianer_ what camera hardware is that
10:35<debianer_>ID 040a:058b Kodak Co. Digital Camera
10:35<ixi>does it support mounting it as block device ?
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10:36<Raziel>Where'd monkeys-audio go?
10:36<debianer_>ixi: I don´t really know. On an old Ubuntu 10.10 installation it works. But now I switched my system to debian wheezy.
10:37<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Raziel -about ape
10:38<ixi>I don't know how much hand holding goes on in ubuntu as far as cameras are concerned
10:38<Raziel>I tried to add deb-multimedia to sources but it gets ignored :/
10:38<ixi>in any case, investigate whether your camera model supports ptp and see if you can use that (via libgphoto2)
10:38<ixi>also, pastebin dmesg
10:38<Raziel>Also, is deb-multimedia trusted?
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10:39<ixi>depends on how you define trusted.
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10:41<debianer_>ixi: http://pastebin.com/ZCKvVTPF <- my log
10:43<ixi>well
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10:43<ixi>seems like it does support ptp ?
10:43<gsimmons>Raziel: You likely need to install the deb-multimedia-keyring package from that repository (/msg dpkg dmmw) or use apt-key manually (/msg dpkg apt-key 1F41B907). If you only need decoding support for Monkey's Audio, FFmpeg/LibAV is already capable.
10:44<debianer_>ixi: jep. what i have to do?
10:45<ixi>debianer_ look at package gphotofs
10:45<ixi>read it's manual
10:46<ixi>see if it will allow you to 'mount' your camera
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10:53<debianer_>ixi: mounting works (I get no errors on the terminal) but there are no files inside the mountpoint
10:53<ixi>any errors in dmesg?
10:54<ixi>also, since it's a FUSE thingy, you need to be in a fuse group or be root
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10:58<debianer_>ixi: in dmesg is nothing special; and I´am root
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11:17<debianer_>thanks ixi: I found a useful script: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ptpudevscript/
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11:27<elementary>Hello.
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11:40<hjsb8q4rggrt>Do usa&Israel use chat &facebook 2 spy?!?!?!?
11:40<hjsb8q4rggrt>Do they record &analyse everything we type?!?!?!?
11:40<hjsb8q4rggrt>Do usa&israel use chat&social communicationprog(facebook&twitter) to collect informations,,,,can we call that spying!!!!
11:40<hjsb8q4rggrt>هل تستخدم امريكاواسرئيل الشات والفيس بوك للتجسس!؟!؟!؟!؟!؟!؟!
11:40<hjsb8q4rggrt>(*
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11:42<MichaelPaoli>Walex FYI, think I mostly got it now: http://paste.debian.net/62212/
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11:44<jose>HI
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11:46<vanessa>What
11:46<vanessa>End for mim ?
11:46<vanessa>Hi
11:46<vanessa>Hi ?
11:46<vanessa>Hi ?
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11:58<daniel156161>hi
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11:59<daniel156161>Hi
11:59<sney>hi.
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11:59<daniel156161>Hast du einen Raspberry Pi
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12:00<sney>yes, but this channel is english only and raspbian isn't supported here anyway
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12:02<daniel156161>Ich verwende meinen Raspberry als Seafile server und du?
12:02<murb>sney: hmm however debian armel runs on that hardware.
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12:19<OWNSyouAll_DESKTOP>lot of spammers today
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12:20<daemonkeeper>Just one.
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12:46<XReaper>lol
12:46<XReaper>what was with that beep beep person
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12:56<dharc>what do you think about LMDE?
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13:01<babilen>dharc: It's a distribution. Try it if you are interested, but this is #debian and we only support that. Try Debian too. :)
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13:03<dharc>I use Debian and recommended it for my friend. But a guy told him that Debian is difficult and Mint is better-_-, now he wants Mint =/
13:04<babilen>*shrug*
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13:05<OdyX>mint smells good at first sight but when you've chewed it too much, it leaves a bad taste and lots of green leftovers in the mouth.
13:06<babilen>dharc: That is normal behaviour, there are always distributions around like that. I don't quite see what we can do about that. I believe that Debian is a fine choice and I have not regretted it. I would therefore wholeheartedly recommend it. If you friend is happy with Mint then he should use that, I don't mind :D
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13:06<birch>I want to install the Sid version of a package in Wheezy. Is this through backports or should I just add the Sid repo to sources.list and set the target to Sid?
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13:07<babilen>birch: Don't mix stable with anything but backports! If a package is not already in there you can backport it yourself by following "/msg dpkg ssb". Which package is this about?
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13:08<babilen>birch: You will b0rk your machine if you mix testing and/or unstable packages into wheezy.
13:08<birch>babilen, my transmission 2.52 is crazy unusable in wheezy due to frequent segfaults. The latest transmission stable is 2.82 and is in Sid.
13:09<babilen>birch: I have not experienced that back when I was using wheezy and it might be a problem specific to your machine/configuration.
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13:09<babilen>birch: gui or cli?
13:10<birch>babilen, the machine is over a year old and has had no problem with transmission until wheezy. gui, gtk, gnome 3
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13:10<birch>actually, i had a wheezy RC on here and that was fine too. It started acting poorly when I went to the full wheezy release, and got worse when I did a fresh install of 7.2
13:11<babilen>birch: You'll have a hard time backporting that unfortunately as the QT5 build-dependencies cannot be satisfied in either wheezy or wheezy-backports.
13:11<dharc>babilen:That can't be a normal behavior and persistent behavior about Debian. my girlfriend uses Debian with no problems. say that Debian is hard to use seems dishonesty
13:11<babilen>birch: That shouldn't e the case.
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13:12<dharc>I think there is a bias to Debian yet
13:12<babilen>dharc: Yeah, I totally agree. Debian is not hard to use, but then people have problems with all sorts of things. If they like another distribution more I couldn't care less and would be happy that they use Linux in the first place. I think Debian is a great choice, but don't mind if people don't agree with me.
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13:13<babilen>birch: It might make sense to investigate that more closely, but I won't be able to walk you through that now as I have been summoned into the kitchen to fix something nommy for the hungry hordes.
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13:14<birch>babilen, ok thanks. i may have to just try another fresh install at 7.3 and see if that helps. enjoy dinner :)
13:15<babilen>birch: I would recommend to take a look at the bug tracker ( http://bugs.debian.org ) and to google for error messages or strace the program. It shouldn't segfault like that. Please also make sure that you haven't wrecked your system by mixing random third-party or testing/unstable package into the mix.
13:15<babilen>birch: There is no 7.3 (yet) and you will have to wait a little for the next point release.
13:16<birch>babilen, it's not the last option, this was my first attempt at that. i'll wait until the next point release.
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13:16<birch>it eats up my entire weekend to do an install because of the time debian takes to re-encrypt the drive.
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13:21<ABM>hey is there any way to speed up INTERNET connections
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13:22<mtn>ABM: sure, get a better isp
13:22<OWNSyouAll_DESKTOP>ABM, You could use a proxy server to cache like squid
13:22<petemc>a local dns server can sometimes help too
13:23<ABM>mtn its about speeding up tweaks with the existing ISP
13:23<mtn>ABM: I know, but my answer is usually the best one ;)
13:23<ABM>:)
13:26<ABM>Hey I have tried to do some changes with my Proxy settings but it rather refused connections to me, then I had to reset it to no Proxy to work normally
13:26<babilen>birch: You can just interrupt the overwriting of the disk. You don't have to do that over and over again and the installation will simply continue.
13:28<babilen>birch: It takes so much time because the disk is overwritten with random data (and then subsequent writes will appear random). Once you reach that state you don't have to re-write random data as that won't change anything. The installer will behave gracefully if you simply choose "cancel" or whatnot in that step.
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13:36<birch>babilen, but if i have my data on there, and i reinstall and re-encrypt the drive, does it need to be randomized again or my previous data will be easier to access?
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13:41<babilen>birch: No, it doesn't.
13:42<birch>babilen, oh neat, ok well that saves me a lot of hassle then. thanks :)
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13:43<babilen>birch: yeah, lot's of people are not aware of it (or don't really care about the initial encryption anyway). Just some days back we had someone in here who waited *weeks* for a multi-TB disk to be filled with random data.
13:43<babilen>*lots
13:43<birch>ouch yeah that would be annoying.
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13:45<murb>babilen: yeah slow installs!
13:46<E431-noob>does anyone know where i can read up on how to setup a tmpfs somewhere?
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13:47<murb>E431-noob: man tmpfs
13:47<E431-noob>it's a command?!
13:47<E431-noob>thanks
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13:48<babilen>E431-noob: "mount -t tmpfs -o size=WHATEVER /path/to/your/tmpfs" -- https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/tmpfs.txt
13:50<E431-noob>thanks
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14:17<Nesus>hello
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14:18<ompaul>!ask
14:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:20<Nesus>I'm using Wheezy on my raspberry i need to install csh package downloaded from http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/csh , can someone say me where to put te unzipped folder?
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14:23<babilen>Nesus: Just install it with "dpkg -i the-package.deb" -- but then I am surprised to hear that you managed to get a vanilla wheezy running on your pi. Are you sure that you are not using raspbian?
14:23<babilen>Nesus: It also shouldn't be a zip but an ar archive ;)
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14:27<Nesus>ehm yes raspbian wheezy:P
14:27<blarson>babilen: debian armel works fine on raspberry-pi. Not as fast as raspian.
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14:28<blarson>Nesus: In general, debian packages won't work on raspian without recompiling.
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14:28<Nesus>ah ok
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14:30<Italo>hello all
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14:34<Italo>how may I read images from nokia 6630 in debian 6.06 amd64?
14:34<babilen>dpkg: tell blarson -about raspbian
14:34<babilen>blarson: Good to know, thanks for the clarification!
14:35<Nesus>:D
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15:06<Moritz>Hi, I got a problem which is driving me crazy. When I move the cursor in nano, the text gets changed. It adds random, dots, letter ands just generally mixes up the text.
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15:08<sistem>i have a problem before starting debian there is a lot of [[[[B^ characters for "."
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15:10<Italo>How may I know where a packet-link is installed in x-window manager?
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15:13<chealer>Italo: what do you mean by "packet-link"?
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15:14*Italo chealer the link from windows-manager to the program binary
15:15<Italo>and the reverse : if I install a packet from synaptic, in what manu is installed the link to the binary?
15:15<dualbus>Italo: so you want to know where a program shortcut takes you to? what desktop environment are you using? GNOME? KDE?
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15:15<Italo>gnome
15:16<Italo>gnome is the default desktop environment in debian
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15:20<dualbus>IIRC GNOME uses the *.desktop files to map from menu entries to commands
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15:22<dualbus>Italo: https://developer.gnome.org/integration-guide/stable/desktop-files.html.en
15:22<dualbus>so find which desktop files you have installed, and to which applications they map.
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15:26<dualbus>find ~/.local/share/applications /usr/share/applications -name '*.desktop' -exec awk -F= '$1=="Name"{n=$2}; $1=="Exec"{c=$2} END{printf("%s -> %s\n", n,c)}' {} \;
15:27<dualbus>that should give you an overview of the apps in your menu and to which entries they map
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15:33<Italo>if I use debian 6.08 with Linux debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 kernel, is it convenible I upgrade the intere SO or only kernel ?
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15:36*Italo dualbus thanks, a command to real hacker :)
15:36<dualbus>Italo: hey, did that thing worked for you? or are you just going to skip to the next question like if this were some kind of automated support channel with bots replying to your queries
15:37<dualbus>ah, cool, sure, just wanted to know you at least read it :)
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15:39*Italo dualbus a mix to bash command , awk scripting cool very hack !
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15:40<Italo>I'll save this command to analise well it, thanks
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15:43<chealer>Italo: What is your native language? Mixing different suites is not supported but some mixes can work.
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15:56*Italo chealer my native language is italian
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16:02<chealer>!it
16:02<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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16:03<chealer>Italo: You may get better help on our Italian channel. By the way, you do not need to type /me to start each message.
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16:07<moondog>debian is not seeing my wireless all in one scanner
16:07<moondog>I've had this working under other linuxes
16:07<moondog>but can't find how to make it work in debian
16:08<moondog>I have sane installed... all it sees is my webcam
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16:11<evoke>hi , i have installed debian jessie
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16:11<evoke>is there any thing i can do to help with testing?
16:11<evoke>beside using it for my every day work
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16:13<Nemoder>evoke: http://www.debian.org/intro/help
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16:19<chealer>evoke: if you dare getting involved with the issue tracker, you could check the non-confirmed issues reported against your favorite package and try confirming or "infirming" them.
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16:19<sai>hi, can anyone tell me how to join osgeo channel
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16:21<evoke>thanks guys
16:22<evoke>quiet straight forward
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16:22<evoke>will check the issue tracker
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16:23<xubuntu>Ill never use debian sid again
16:23<_4dnan_>Why dear ?
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16:24<xubuntu>update broke X, now on a xubuntu live disk annd see what i can repair
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16:25<_4dnan_>I'm sorry to hear that. Hopefully the people here will help you solve any problem.
16:26<xubuntu>maybe is should stay with stable next time when using a stability-critical computer
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16:27<_4dnan_>I have tried Stable and Testing. And I should say they are as stable as each other. But of course, if you want maximum stability, go for Stable.
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16:27<valdyn>testing changes all the time, hence it cant be stable
16:28<_4dnan_>We could say it's more solid than sid though, right ?
16:29<valdyn>yes, certainly
16:29*xubuntu is trying to fix it the whole night
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16:29<valdyn>now why dont you restore a backup
16:30<xubuntu>no backup available
16:30<valdyn>cant be no stability-critical system then
16:30<valdyn>xubuntu: a reinstall does not take a whole night
16:30<xubuntu>well, i backed up mz data on a usb drive alredz
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16:31<xubuntu>need to set that kezmap right
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16:32<xubuntu>any idea how I can wipe LILO completely off my disk?
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16:37<valdyn>xubuntu: wiping lilo is the wrong idea
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16:39<xubuntu>valdyn, I just want to wipe everyting and do a reinstall.
16:39<valdyn>xubuntu: you dont need to wipe anything to do a reinstall
16:39<xubuntu>and lilo stayed in the mbr
16:40<valdyn>xubuntu: when you install debian then you get the option to install a boot manager to the mbr
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16:40<valdyn>xubuntu: the current contents or lilo do not have any impact
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16:42<cshield>hey folks: I am using dwm, but sometimes, I need to change to wmaker. Is there a command to do it on the fly? dwm hasn't a replace switch or something like that... Has anyone an idea about that?
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16:43<valdyn>iirc wmaker has a menu entry to select a different wm, i dont know about dwm
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16:43<valdyn>why would i ever switch the wm as part of normalk workflow?
16:43<cshield>yes, from wmaker to dwm is easy, but dwm to wmaker is something I haven't figured out yet.
16:43<cshield>I need it for some applications ie java applications.
16:44<valdyn>hmm
16:45<valdyn>i see dwm has a tiling and a float mode, so i still wonder - but thats obviously up to you
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16:47<valdyn>cshield: you can make your xsession such that terminating the wm does not terminate the X Session
16:47<valdyn>cshield: then you can start and stop any wm as you please
16:48<cshield>this probably a good enough solution, thanks. Better than my idea...
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16:49<cshield>for archiving that, it is enough to put "xterm" in my .xsession file?
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16:50<valdyn>cshield: for some reason that i dont remember i always have "exec someprogram" as last line
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16:50<valdyn>cshield: xterm is as good as anything yes
16:51<cshield>ok, thanks.
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17:17<umbe>ciao
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17:43<prosperoh>Hello people I have a question about the s
17:43<prosperoh>switch from stable to unstable
17:43<prosperoh>when I do apt-get dist-upgrade
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17:44<prosperoh>Is that normal that I download packages both from unstable and stable (and testing) ?
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17:44<prosperoh>(I supposedly edited the preferences correctly)
17:44<prosperoh>(bt
17:45<prosperoh>(btw is the rule here "Don't ask to ask" ^^ ?)
17:45<daemonkeeper>No it's not, you don't need, and yes.
17:45<daemonkeeper>For all your question in order :p
17:46<prosperoh>so it's not normal ?
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17:46<daemonkeeper>No.
17:46<nebuchadnezzar_>:D
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17:46<prosperoh>what if I remove the stable and testing deposits ?
17:46<prosperoh>from sources.list
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17:47<daemonkeeper>That's what you want, if you want to upgrade. It won't hurt though.
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17:47<chealer>!iyhtays
17:47<dpkg>If you have to ask, you shouldn't.
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17:48<prosperoh>I guess something is wrong with the preferences file
17:49<daemonkeeper>I wonder why you touch preferences in the firstplace.
17:49<daemonkeeper>+" "
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17:49<prosperoh>I read somewhere that keeping a testing or stable deposit was safer
17:50<prosperoh>maybe that's stupid :o)
17:51<daemonkeeper>!pinning
17:51<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences
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17:51<daemonkeeper>Don't try that.
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17:58<calisto>any know a p2p chat program gnu or free license?
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18:03<nadir>calisto: you could look here: https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/LeavingTheCloud
18:04<nadir>sobby or infinote do chat too, but i am not sure if it suits your needs
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18:04<prosperoh>I have another question : are there any security.debian.org for sid and sid/updates deposits ?
18:05<prosperoh>cause apt-get update gives me a 404
18:05<nadir>nope
18:05<mtn>deposits sounds messy
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18:05<prosperoh>what's the word ?
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18:05<mtn>repositories
18:05<prosperoh>okay
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18:06<daemonkeeper>prosperoh: Since sid is not meant to end users, there is no security support for it at all.
18:06<nadir>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable?action=show&redirect=DebianSid#Does_sid_have_security_updates.3F
18:07<nadir>prosperoh: I think this link explains it better http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html
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18:09<prosperoh>okay what about sid-updates ?
18:09<nadir>apt-get upgrade
18:10<nadir>I think you should read the second link
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18:11<daemonkeeper>prosperoh: Assuming you'd understand what the codename-updates repository is about, you could answer that question yourself.
18:11<prosperoh>yeah actually I don't understand it, but I'm about to read about it
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18:12<nadir>In my opinion you should upgrade as often as possible when running sid or testing. I do it once a day, but sure several times a week
18:13<nadir>You might also want to install apt-listbugs
18:13<prosperoh>I did that last thing
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18:14<nadir>Ok, i didn't know. And a backup solution won't hurt
18:15<prosperoh>what do you mean regular copies of the hard drive ?
18:16<nadir>I forgot where i can make the setting in pidgin to not show enter and leave messages
18:16<nadir>prosperoh: I meant to backup the OS in case something goes really bad. You could exclude home
18:17<nadir>really bad: you can't even boot anymore
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18:17<prosperoh>does that occur often xD ?
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18:17<nadir>in /etc an in the users home are the settings, so backing at least them up might save you quite some work in case you have to reinstall
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18:18<nadir>i experienced it twice in 5 years (but it might also be that i did something wrong, i can't remember)
18:18<nadir>That won't help you if it happens in 2 weeks, of course
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18:18<calisto>thanks nadir see this!!
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18:19<nadir>calisto: i didn't understand?
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18:20<sistem>after start my computer with debian;"loading please wait" and lots of times shows characters "[[[B^[[[B^" -what is the problem
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18:22<prosperoh>thanks for the advice nadir and daemonkeeper
18:22<nadir>good luck, later, i got to sleep
18:22<prosperoh>thanks to Murphy's law I guess
18:23<Italo>hello all
18:23<nadir>:-)
18:23<prosperoh>that something's gonna go bad next time I boot :o)
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18:23<prosperoh>but good night
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18:23<Italo>I have debian 6.06 , is it convenible I up-grade it ?
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18:24<Italo>or reinstall it
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18:26<abrotman>dpkg: tell Italo about squeeze->wheezy
18:26<abrotman>dpkg: tell Italo about it
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18:27<pablum>sheesh, i can't find any empathy in me for this chat app...
18:27*pablum thinks he likes xchat more butter
18:27<Italo>how may I upgrade from squeeze ---> wheezy ?
18:28<pablum>but...
18:28<abrotman>Italo: see what the bot told you in privmsg
18:28<pablum>i have, using grub on a dell d630, really really looooong boot times.
18:28*Italo abrotman the bot didn't tell me nothing
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18:29<pablum>that may not even be enough 'o's to convey how long they are (which is between five and ten minutes.)
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18:29<ompaul>Italo: it is a bit lagged this evening sit tight you'll get it
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18:30<abrotman>Italo: yes, the bot did
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18:30<pablum>and i'm pretty sure it has to do with grub, and this d630. maybe something about the BIOS retching over the stupendous bigness of the hd (80G)
18:31<pablum>in fact. vanilla grub wasn't up to the task.
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18:32<pablum>i could only get this far using grub-gtp(?)
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18:35<pablum>how to fix that boot time?
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19:31<blast007>ali: keep it in the channel. Do you have a Debian support question?
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21:07<openhuese>hola soy nuevo usando devian quisiera saber si hay algun canal en español para pedir un poco de ayuda
21:09<dcx>openhuese: #debian-es aca en oftc y en freenode (con un poco mas de gente)
21:09<openhuese>gracias dcx un abrazo
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21:15<E431-noob>how do i make your memory manager quit using the system ram that is shared with/used by the hd400 graphics as a playground of write festivals? it keeps turning my screen into rainbow colored snow and all manor of solid colors. once it starts it never stops. and don't tell me X crash either! x crashes do *NOT* have that result on ctrl+alt+F2 terminal
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21:19<Infiltrator>E431-noob: Probably a driver issue, then; which one are you using?
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21:20<E431-noob>unfortunately whichever one a fresh first time ever booted install of debian decided to use
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21:20<E431-noob>i just barely got logged in
21:20<E431-noob>on first boot
21:20<E431-noob>3 minutes ago the bootloader was still being installed
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21:25<E431-noob>if it helps any i simply cannot install on the e431 cuz the installer never runs the fans and thermal crashes before halfway thru install. i have to use a tower to install. tower boots grub but not lilo. e431 boots lilo but not grub. so install on tower (with twin gt120 graphics cards, dedicated memory) and first boot on e431 with hd4000 graphics shared memory
21:25<Infiltrator>E431-noob: Which xserver-xorg-video-* packages do you have installed?
21:26<E431-noob>base install + desktop + laptop, when i say *nothing* else has been done i don't think you are hearing me
21:27<E431-noob>*first* boot, no sooner logged in for first time ever. zero adittional packages installed. default config
21:27<Infiltrator>Why not just answer the question?
21:27<E431-noob>uptime measured in seconds
21:28<E431-noob>i have no idea
21:28<E431-noob>how can i find out? i'm blind here?
21:29<E431-noob>i get more info from a crt tv screen with no signal
21:29<E431-noob>which one gets installed by default?
21:30<E431-noob>i did the alternate desktops > kde > advanced graphical install
21:30<E431-noob>does that help?
21:30<E431-noob>or graphical expert install
21:30<E431-noob>something like that
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21:32<E431-noob>the install image is debian amd64 netinstall 7.1.0
21:33<E431-noob>i hope some of this is helping to identify that xserver cuz i have no idea and i just got it installed and booted.
21:34<E431-noob>i think installing on the tower gave it the idea that any system ram can be stomped on so when i boot on the e431 it uses the shared video ram for a soccer field
21:35<E431-noob>i seen this happen on shutdown of a tails live disc
21:35<E431-noob>on the e431
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21:37<E431-noob>if debian can't be made to work on this thinkpad, i need to know soon so i can teturn for a refund
21:37<Infiltrator>E431-noob: So, did you actually install it on your laptop; or did you install it on the desktop and then copy the files over?
21:37<E431-noob>return
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21:38<E431-noob>install to usb drive on desktop then plug into laptop and boot
21:38<E431-noob>usb3.0 flashdrive
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21:38<E431-noob>speaking of which, does debian do usb3.0?
21:39<E431-noob>err wheezy?
21:39<E431-noob>i'm trying to use wheezy
21:39<E431-noob>i'm beginning to think i need sid
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21:41<abrotman>no
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21:41<E431-noob>if i wanted to know the kernel version this knoppix disc uses, what command would i use to find out?
21:41<SamB>E431-noob: is it booted now?
21:42<E431-noob>no
21:42<E431-noob>i can't keep her on without the fans running
21:42<E431-noob>i'm using knoppix on a macbook pro to be here
21:42<E431-noob>i have many computers
21:42<SamB>I meant is the knoppix disc booted
21:43<E431-noob>yes i'm using xchat on knoppix to be here in this channel
21:43<jeffree>uname --v
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21:43<kdog>I've freshly installed 7.2, amd64 version on my MacBook. Both iceweasel and epiphany are freezing the GUI after a bit of use (no keyboard or clicks work). If I ssh in and kill -9 X then I can login again. Googling isn't getting me an answer. Any suggestions?
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21:45<E431-noob>uname (GNU coreutils) 8.13
21:45<E431-noob>is that the kernel version??
21:45<abrotman>no
21:45<E431-noob>i was gonna say
21:45<SamB>try "uname -r"
21:46<E431-noob>3.6.11
21:46<abrotman>and this is why you shouldn't be running 'sid'
21:46<E431-noob>ok so that's newer than 3.2.0-4 amd64 that the installer said it was using
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21:46<E431-noob>i'm not good enough yet huh?
21:47<E431-noob>i'll get there someday
21:48<E431-noob>someone suggested a kernel backport on an earlier occasion. if i wanted to do that i would never have had the chance. i need to see the screen to do anything.
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21:49<E431-noob>so what should i do?
21:50<E431-noob>(at this point even an extremely unstable running system is better than nothing at all)
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21:59<E431-noob>the aforementioned tower has a hdd with a working install of debian (different installer image) with grub that is working. i have the debian reference manual on it. i've been using that as a backup to read manpages etc. it's a temporary install though. i bought the e431 to run debian and nothing else. it will be my new main system. i need it work. i'm open to anything at this point
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22:01<magnetophon>g
22:01<magnetophon>oops
22:04<E431-noob>i can probably boot the e431 for a short while using /etc/init.d/kdm stop (?) from ctrl+alt+F2 terminal if anyone has any ideas to try?
22:05<E431-noob>and sudo -s to root if needed
22:09<E431-noob>is there a way to boot a live disc then use that live disc to boot the lilo on this flashdrive? cuz if i could do that then i could boot the flashdrive on the tower and make changes
22:09<E431-noob>i used to do that with dos
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22:15<E431-noob>*any* ideas?
22:17<E431-noob>i know how to use vi if it helps
22:17<E431-noob>as in pre-vim
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22:19<SamB>I think we have nvi ?
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22:19<E431-noob>i'm not familiar with nvi but i'll give it a shot
22:19<ung>I'm trying to get a good coding font in Eclipse, I use KDE and if I try popular fonts like Incosolata, Source code pro, it looks very bad (very hard for eyes). There must be something wrong. The AA setting is turned on, anyone have an idea please?
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22:22<E431-noob>the font size needs to be 8 or larger. if that does not fix, well i normally use verdana with xchat on irc. let's me distinguish every character.
22:22<E431-noob>other than that i can't help much
22:23<ung>the size I use is 10
22:23<E431-noob>maybe someone else can help then
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22:24<E431-noob>i crank up to 14 to make things easy to see but i know AA has issues with smaller sizes like below 8 and especially below 4
22:26<ung>do you use KDE and did you enable AA ?
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22:26<E431-noob>kde is my favorite desktop
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22:27<E431-noob>i haven't had a kde since '98 tho and i'm having the worst time getting debian to work on the e431 i bought just for it. (and kde of course)
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22:28<E431-noob>i'm hoping the silence in here means folks are trying to figure out what i can do to fix this
22:28<ung>im about to buy the next T540
22:28<ung>most hardware are intel so it should be easy no ?
22:28<E431-noob>that's what i was told
22:28<abrotman>only if you buy that model, there are options for crap from nvidia/ati
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22:30<E431-noob>so far no fan support so thermal crash less than halfway thru any install. using desktop to install to flashdrive. need lilo to boot that at all. fans still don't work. hd4000 graphics only on e431
22:31<ung>oh
22:31<ung>check your bios
22:31<ung>if I remember, there is something called optimus
22:31<ung>you need to disable it
22:32<E431-noob>and dedicated graphics mem on desktop used to install but shared video ram with system ram on e431. mem manager using shared video ram for a soccer field turns my screen to rainbow colored snow. can't see a thing even on ctrl+alt+F2
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22:32<E431-noob>ah ok, i'll look ...
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22:33<E431-noob>i don't see that option. different name? where is it found?
22:34<ung>nvm, I think you only have it if you have a discrete card (not the hd4000)
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22:36<ung>did you try to install windows to see if it works
22:36<ung>it's maybe hardware defects
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22:36<E431-noob>no windows
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22:37<E431-noob>i did a hardware bios graphics test. all tests passed. hd4000 only, no nvidia, no discrete (whatever that is) just hd4000
22:38<E431-noob>i tested the mem too
22:38<ung>how do you know the problem is no fan support?
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22:38<E431-noob>i need something working with the fans working so i can do a cpu burn in. this thermal crashing can't be good for it
22:40<ung>did you try a live cd? try gparted
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22:40<E431-noob>pwmconfig (part of fancontrol) chipset supported supposedly but the answer i'm getting in #Debian (here) is driver not supporting it. was told to use backported kernel 3.10(3.11?). can't get that far if i can't see the screen
22:40<william>personally I have never even heard of fan support. As far as I knew, the bios controls the fan whether that is always a certain setting or with speeds based on the cpu temp or air temp.
22:41<william>just as far as being able to even boot that is, sounds like you are after something else then, sorry.
22:41<Raguile>Can you turn off all fan control in the bios?
22:41<ung>use the debian cd to boot in rescue mode, then upgrade to the backported kernel
22:42<E431-noob>william, i think it did that before installing fancontrol but fans just barely spun. still the air from the fan went from hot to cool and fan stayed spinning.
22:42<E431-noob>no fan control settings at all in the bios
22:42<william>so do you want special fan control or just your fans to spin to cool down your system like normal?
22:42<E431-noob>just fans to spin to cool down like normal
22:44<william>And do the fans spin when you boot before loading an OS from the disk? Some systems boot and all fans spin full speed.
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22:45<E431-noob>i have the rescue cd but i gues it's not much more than a comfort to me. i don't yet have the skills to mount the luks volume then the debian/root lv and i've never in my life messed with a kernel
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22:46<ung>I have luks volume, it takes 2 min
22:46<E431-noob>fans spin for 0.5 seconds on press of power button to turn system on, then immediately stop. post finishes later on then boot.
22:46<ung>it will ask you the password, you mount /root, then you can install it
22:46<E431-noob>fans don't spin again except that 1 time
22:46<william>so when you boot to this rescue cd, the fans do work or don'e work?
22:47<E431-noob>trying ....
22:48<E431-noob>actually 1.0 seconds, i just counted 1thousand1 and the fan quit
22:48<william>seems odd that the fan quits before the OS. If you can't find a setting in the bios, can you restore factory defaults?
22:49<E431-noob>when it's booting i see everything fine ...
22:49<william>If you think that is safe to do.
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22:49<E431-noob>tried that
22:49<william>booting from the rescue cd now and fans still off?
22:49<E431-noob>this system is brand new out of box
22:49<william>ah
22:49<E431-noob>yes
22:49<E431-noob>still booting ...
22:50<william>Try a live cd and another distro's live cd to see what happens...
22:50<william>If this is a new system, turn it off and call their support.
22:50<E431-noob>ok what do i do again?
22:50<E431-noob>booted. fans not spinning
22:51<william>Put in a ticket with the motherboard manufacturer or retailer.
22:51<william>Get a new motherboard.
22:51<ung>I must go, but try gparted, it's based on debian sid
22:51<ung>if it doesn't work, upgrading the kernel will not ..
22:52<E431-noob>no manual entry for gparted?
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22:52<ung>what do you mean ?
22:52<E431-noob>and command not found
22:52<E431-noob>is gparted a livedisc or a command?
22:53<ung>oh, it is a livedisk "http://gparted.sourceforge.net/download.php"
22:53<E431-noob>omw thanks
22:53<ung>(and a package in debian, but i'm talking about the live disk)
22:53<ung>it will save you some times
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22:54<E431-noob>a partition manager? how will this help?
22:55<ung>cause the live disk is based on SID
22:55<E431-noob>o i c
22:55<ung>do you get the latest kernel, xorg, etc
22:55<ung>so*
22:55<ung>if it doesn't work, this is probably hardware related
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22:56<E431-noob>ok got it. i goota leave here and reboot to dl/save/burn the gparted iso.
22:56<E431-noob>gotta
22:56<ung>good luck
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22:56<E431-noob>thanks
22:57<E431-noob>for everything
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22:58<E431-noob>ok got the url wrote down. i'm out. thanks again.
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23:18<mzx89>i have an issue where i get frequently disconnected from wifi but the icon on my panel does not show me as disconnected, which is frustrating. if i click on it and disconnect and then reconnect, it works again but will die after another 10 minutes and not show me as offline
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23:20<mzx89>can anyone help with me with my wifi disconnecting often?
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23:27<mzx89>i tried both network-manager and wicd and when i disconnect, they still show me as online even though i'm not
23:38<ectospasm>how do you know you're not?
23:39<mzx89>because no webpages load
23:39<mzx89>and i can't ping any site
23:39<mzx89>and if i click on it and disconnect and then re-connect, the internet works again (until it stops 5 or 10 minutes later)
23:42<Akronym>mzx89, what wifi-chip / driver / kernel version is used?
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23:43<E431-noob>ok got a gparted live disc booted and reporting uname -r is 3.10-3-amd64
23:43<E431-noob>fans not spinning :{
23:44<E431-noob>but i can still see the screen so far :)
23:44<mzx89>Linux WXR5791 3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.10.11-1~bpo70+1 (2013-09-24) i686 GNU/Linux
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23:44<mzx89>Bus 004 Device 003: ID 0bda:8187 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187 Wireless Adapter
23:46<Akronym>mzx89, no idea if that chip has issues, but I'd setting a somewhat more static wifi-link-setup via /etc/network/interfaces and see if that helps. As I have heard numerous times especially network-manager (but wicd too) connections are more prone to fail whereas static configuration in /etc/network/interfaces tends to run stable.
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23:47<E431-noob>ah... i thought i'd try a cpu burn in with dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=512 and shortly after executing, the fan spun up! yay!! :}
23:48<mzx89>any idea how i would do that?
23:48<Infintie22>hey quick question im trying to create a backup then clear memory cache after it but im doing something wrong between the 2 commands? command = /usr/bin/zip -qr "{WORLD}-tmp.zip" . -i "{WORLD}"*/*; sudo sh -c "sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches"
23:48<mzx89>i have the interfaces file open
23:48<E431-noob>and she's already cooled back down but fans still spinning
23:48<mzx89>all that's in there is a line about the loopback interface
23:49<fellow>mzx89, if you use wicd or network-manager then /etc/network/interfaces is supposed to look like that (must)
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23:50<fellow>Did you try to shut the router down for a bit? For how long do you have the problem? You had it also with the default stable kernel?
23:50<fellow>Oh, and you might try a different "channel" (not sure about terminology, i barely do wireless)
23:50<fellow>ups
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23:50<mzx89>ya it's there with the default kernel which is why i tried this newer one. it's been around for a while and i know that this wifi device has good linux support, so i think it's an issue on my end and not with the device
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23:53<E431-noob>i'm out for a while
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23:55<nadir>mzx89, my night is over, so i search a bit (for the fun). "Debian RTL8187 disconnect" gives some results
23:56<nadir>perhaps they will help, perhaps you tested them already...
23:56<mzx89>thank you nadir
23:56<nadir>good luck. Wireless can easily drive me crazy (hence i usually use wired)
23:58<mzx89>thanks. i just wonder why wicd and networkmanager still show me as connected. i wish they would at least show that i'm disconnected so i know when i am offline
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23:58<nadir>Yeah, i think i know that problem too. But usually if the router is too far away
23:59<mzx89>oh, well it is sort of far away so maybe that's why
23:59<nadir>If nothing helps i'd ask here again. There sure are people with better network foo here
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