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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-10-28

---Logopened Mon Oct 28 00:00:23 2013
00:00<nadir>right now it is the middle of the night for Europe ...
00:01<mzx89>lol ya
00:01<nadir>:-)
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03:19<Guest3609>how to access potgres prompt on debian system
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03:21<jm_>read /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz
03:21<bluewater>https://wiki.debian.org/PostgreSql
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03:29<xaroula>!list
03:29<dpkg>xaroula: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
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03:34<bluechaos>hello
03:34<bluechaos>any support for webmin here ?
03:34<Infiltrator>!ask
03:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
03:36<bluechaos>Infiltrator, I'm not using debian distribution , I need only support for webmin
03:36<bluechaos>where I can find it ? what channel ?
03:36<Infiltrator>!not debian
03:36<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
03:36<Infiltrator>bluechaos: Try visiting their website.
03:37<bluechaos>They don`t have a live support on irc ?
03:38<bluechaos>i'm just asking. ..
03:38<jm_>why are you asking here? go check the web page
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03:40<bluechaos>ok soz..
03:40<bluechaos>bye
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04:11<informatica>JOIN 4
04:11<informatica_>ug9
04:12<dcraig>if the prophets wish it
04:12<informatica_>aids
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04:12<informatica>GINGERS HAVE SOULS
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06:23<boodie>Hi I have a problem with iceweasel; it constantly freezes +, more worryingly, when I access a site with a password (e.g. an email account, or worse my credit card account), it pops a message asking if I want to store the password. I don't, but the message is frozen for minutes, then the userId/password fields are blanked and I have to re-enter them again. Could my iceweasel been hijacked or something?
06:23<boodie>It's frozen at the moment ...
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06:27<boodie>I can only terminate it ...
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06:44<boodie>Hi I have a problem with iceweasel; it constantly freezes +, more worryingly, when I access a site with a password (e.g. an email account, or worse my credit card account), it pops a message asking if I want to store the password. I don't, but the message is frozen for minutes, then the userId/password fields are blanked and I have to re-enter them again. Could my iceweasel been hijacked or something?
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06:46<ixi>boodie iceweasel menu -> edit -> prererences -> security -> uncheck "remember passwords for sites"
06:46<ixi> then -> saved passwords -> click "remove all"
06:47<boodie>ixi: yes if i could access the menu ...
06:47<ixi>kill the process and restart it ?
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06:52<boodie>Done. When I restart it, I cannot access the menu ... after I google one page it freezes
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06:53<ixi>boodie open terminal
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06:53<ixi>in terminal run this: MOZILLA_DISABLE_PLUGINS=1 iceweasel -safe-mode
06:55<boodie>done. no access to the menu ... frozen
06:56<ixi>pastebin output of this command: dmesg
06:56<ixi>(http://paste.debian.net preferred)
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06:57<boodie>I usually use nopaste ... how do I send an output to pastebin from terminal
06:57<boodie>?
06:58<ixi>you can install package libapp-nopaste-perl and then run "dmesg | nopase"
06:58<ixi>nopaste* sorry
06:59<boodie>anyway, it's full of "[ 7307.760148] 2:3:1: cannot set freq 16000 to ep 0x86" only ...
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07:02<boodie>App::Nopaste::Service::Pastie: Error POSTing http://pastie.org/pastes: Request Entity Too Large at /usr/share/perl5/App/Nopaste/Service/Pastie.pm line 70
07:02<boodie>http://paste.ubuntu.com/6317641/
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07:03<ixi>seems like a kernel bug boodie http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=709034
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07:03<ixi>use newer kernel from backports
07:03<ixi>,v linux-image-amd64
07:03<judd>Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.10+52~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.10+52; sid: 3.11+53
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07:04<ixi>the one in wheezy-backports should wokr
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07:04<boodie>Oh, no ... now how I upgrade the kernel, I have wheezy backports in my sources.list, I think
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07:06<boodie>How do I identify my current kernel?
07:06<bluewater>uname -r
07:07<blast007>!tell boodie about bpo kernel
07:07<boodie>3.2.0-4-amd64
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07:09<boodie>Hmmm, I only have "deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel-release",
07:09<boodie>Should I add a line in sources.list?
07:10<boodie>This seems to affect just iceweasel, right?
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07:14<jm_>that's not backports
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07:16<boodie>so what would be the right entry?
07:17<jm_>http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
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07:23<hart_>Hi, I'm looking to remove all files that have the word 'znc' in them, how would I do this?
07:23<hart_>is rm -rf | grep -i znc the right command?
07:23<Maulkin>no
07:24<hart_>do you know the command Maulkin?
07:24<Maulkin>That'll remove all files!
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07:24<Maulkin>hart_: Are they all in one folder?
07:24<hart_>nope
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07:24<hart_>3 different folders
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07:26<Maulkin>hart_: Well, you can remove all in one folder by doing: "rm *znc*"
07:26<Maulkin>Or you can do multiple folders by: "rm folder1/*znc* folder2/*znc*" etc
07:27<hart_>ah
07:27<hart_>thanks
07:27<hart_>ill try that
07:27<Maulkin>If it's completely nested, you can use "find . -name *znc* | xargs rm"
07:27<Maulkin>Though bear in mind that'll search everything from where you are.
07:28<hart_>hmm
07:28<hart_>I don't understand Maulkin
07:28<hart_>/var/lib/dpkg/info/znc.md5sums
07:28<hart_>this file exists... I checked through doing 'locate znc'
07:28<hart_>but
07:28<hart_>rm: cannot remove `/var/lib/dpkg/info/*znc*': No such file or directory
07:30<Maulkin>hart_: locate can lag behind real time by a day - it's possible that's been removed already
07:30<hart_>ah
07:30<jm_>and do you really want to delete files in that dir?
07:30<hart_>yeah it's just ZNC files
07:31<Maulkin>hart_: Also... yeah. what jm_ said
07:31<hart_>nothing important
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07:31<Maulkin>less: Please don't do that
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07:37<ixi>something along the lines of find . -iname '*znc*' -exec rm -i {}\;
07:41<Flakk>hello people. I am at present at Squeeze and going to install wheezy. I noticed that there is something which is called MULTIARCH, as far as I understand this is a possibility to get packages from different architectures, such as am64 or i386. The question is: will this MULTIARCH be utomatically installed with wheezy (64 or 32)? or should I install it afterwadrs manually?
07:41<ixi>it's not enabled automatically
07:42<hart_>would I be wrong if I said you shouldn't enable multiarch if you don't need it ixi?
07:42<hart_>or does it not matter?
07:42<ixi>you shouldnt enable it if you don't need it
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07:43<hart_>alright
07:43<Flakk>actually skype needs it
07:44<jm_>why does it need it?
07:44<ixi>the real question is whether you need skype
07:44<Flakk>the latest version of skype needs deb. multiarch
07:44<Flakk>i need it
07:44<hart_>I've found Skype to be a real pain in the ass on Linux
07:44<hart_>didn't like it at all
07:44<Flakk>this is not a difficult question
07:45<Flakk>skype is not that good, but there is a hell lot of people who use it
07:45<ixi>consider jitsi
07:46<Flakk>ixi: I am pretty sure that even ekiga is better than skype intrinsically
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07:46<Flakk>but many of my friends use skype
07:46<ixi>friends don't let friends use facebook/skype/mswindows
07:46<hart_>haha
07:46<hart_>isn't skype owned by microsoft
07:47<ixi>pretty much
07:47<Flakk>so if we could return to the initial question about multiarch
07:48<hart_>well fladi
07:48<hart_>Flakk
07:48<Flakk>is it OK to install i386 or am64 and the enable multiarch?
07:48<hart_>yes
07:48<ixi>you install amd64 and then enable i386 multiarch
07:48<hart_>can't you install i386 and enable amd64 ixi?
07:48<ixi>I don't think so
07:49<hart_>o alright
07:50<boodie>Yes I have installed skype, by using i386 libs, and I have the problems with my webcam since, but the world uses skype , so ...
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07:51<maxb>Multiarch lets you install from additional architectures, but your installation still has a fixed one which is primary, defined by what kernel you're running
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07:51<jm_>the other way (i368 primary and amd64 secondary) should also work fine with amd64 kernel
07:51<Flakk>boodie: do you use multiarch or have you installed i386?
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07:52<Flakk>jm_ so for you it is OK if I install 386 and then enable multiarch?
07:52<boodie>btw, I have changed sources.list, added the backports, updated aptitude and upgraded the kernel image ... I suppose I had better reboot now ...
07:52<boodie>Well multiarch, I have amd64
07:52<t-uzz>jk\
07:53<Flakk>boodie: I see, thanx
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07:53<maxb>Flakk: It's technically possible, but not well supported. I suspect you'd be stuck installing your kernels manually
07:53<jm_>Flakk: it doesn't matter what I think, it's your system - but I have heard of exactly one person doing it this way, most people use amd64 primary and add i386
07:54<Flakk>maxb: sorry, what exaclty is possible but not well suuported? I lost the sequence, sorry
07:54<ixi>if you have to ask, don't try it.
07:54<ixi>really.
07:54<maxb>Flakk: Running a system that's primarily i386 with an amd64 kernel and selected multiarched amd64 bits
07:54<Flakk>maxb: thanks, got it
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07:55<jm_>i386 releases have debian amd64 kernels, so it should be well supported option
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07:57<maxb>Oh, interesting, when did linux-image-amd64 start showing up in the i386 archives?
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07:58<Flakk>thanks a lot for the advice, people
07:59<jm_>I think it was available in squeeze already
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08:00<boodie>Hi everybody: upgraded the BPO kernel ... X doesn't work
08:00<ixi>step 1: pastebin all relevant logs
08:00<boodie>Probably it's gdm3 ...
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08:02<babilen>boodie: Please provide more information; /var/log/Xorg.0.log comes to mind and also elaborate on your Xorg setup. Do you use any special drivers? If so: How did you install them?
08:02<jm_>areon't you the one using nvidia driver?
08:03<boodie>Xorg.0.log at http://pastie.org/8437051
08:04<boodie>yes, the diabolical nvidia
08:04<jm_>so nvidia driver rebuild probably failed
08:04<hart_>How would I delete a user i've create in Debian?
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08:04<hart_>Like, remove everything?
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08:06<boodie>crap ...
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08:06<boodie>What can I do now ?
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08:07<boodie>By the quick look of Xorg.0.log the drivers seem the culprit
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08:08<jm_>install nvidia driver from backports too
08:09<boodie>Yes: it seems logical after all... ehm ... how do I do that?
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08:10<boodie>aptitude, apt-get?
08:10<ixi>I would guess apt-get -t wheezy-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms
08:10<ixi>(untested)
08:10<boodie>I'll try
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08:15<boodie>Says that nvidia-kernel-dkms is already in it's latest version ...
08:15<ixi>,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
08:15<judd>Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.88-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 304.108-4~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 304.108-4; sid/non-free: 319.60-2; experimental/non-free: 331.13-1
08:15<ixi>boodie see if you can do rmmod nvidia; modprobe nvidia
08:16<boodie>aha, if they are modular, I'll try
08:17<boodie>Error: Module nvidia is not currently loaded
08:17<boodie>FATAL: Module nvidia not found.
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08:19<jm_>it failed to build ...
08:19<boodie>Still my nvidia is 304.88 , so there must be a more recent module with BPO
08:20<boodie>fantastic
08:20<jm_>are you saying you already had 304.88 before upgrading the kernel?
08:20<jm_>actually 304.108
08:20<boodie>Well, I can't assure that ... this is what is present at the moment
08:21<ixi>boodie pastebin apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-dkms
08:21<boodie>but modprobe fails to load it
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08:22<boodie>http://pastie.org/8437089
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08:22<jm_>can't say about 3.10 but for 3.9 this nvidia version builds fine
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08:23<ixi>boodie pastebin file /etc/apt/sources.list
08:24<boodie>http://pastie.org/8437095
08:24<themill>boodie: you need to have contrib and non-free for all repos there
08:24<ixi>^
08:25<free-electron>Does Jessie/sid get security updates?
08:25<daemonkeeper>No
08:26<boodie>Oh dear ... I feel silly, now, ok try that
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08:27<themill>dpkg: tell free-electron about unstable security
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08:33<ivanoov>hi :)
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08:38<boodie>Hi everybody; installed nvidia with "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms"
08:39<boodie>now the policy looks like this: http://pastie.org/8437114
08:39<ixi>yay, enjoy your closed source non-free blobly goodness!
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08:39<boodie>I tried startx, but it still doesn't work ... I suppose I have to load the module
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08:40<ixi>xorg needs a custom config file to work with nvidia blob
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08:41<jm_>did the module build correctly?
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08:41<jm_>ls -l /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/nvidia*
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08:46<boodie>File or Directory /lib/modules/3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64/updates/dkms/nvidia* does not exist
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08:48<boodie>jm_: the module built with a lot of warnings (e.g. the nvidia group damaged, forcing alternatives) but then got to the end
08:49<boodie>Or perhaps, it didn't build
08:49<jm_>boodie: it clrealy hasn't built if you don't have it in /lib/modules
08:49<jm_>clearly*
08:49<boodie>Yes, ...
08:50<XReaper>so much broken stuff in squeeze, that has been broken since it was released...
08:50*XReaper dist-upgrade
08:50<jm_>i remember this used to fail for me in the past with 3.10 and that's why I am using 3.9 still - couldn't be arsed to backport nvidia driver myself (although I have done this in the past and it was quite simple)
08:50<themill>XReaper: umm... no. Or rather, only if you're mixing packages from other sources.
08:51<boodie>It seems to be a mess ...
08:51<XReaper>themill: python-netaddr is a -broken- version
08:51<XReaper>lol
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08:51<XReaper>screw you aptitude, i wanted to ctrl+c your ass
08:51<XReaper>*apt-get
08:51<themill>XReaper: python-netaddr hasn't changed since release.
08:51<boodie>Anyway, what should I attempt now?
08:52<XReaper>https://code.google.com/p/netaddr/issues/detail?id=59 BROKEN
08:52<XReaper>lol
08:52<XReaper>yeah i hit that issue
08:52<XReaper>it's from 2010
08:52<XReaper>lol
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08:54<themill>XReaper: umm... why do you expect that an unreported bug would magically fix itself?
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08:55<XReaper>themill: fixed upstream and not reported downstream? :P
08:55<XReaper>hehe
08:55<themill>XReaper: how would it magically fix itself in debian?
08:55<XReaper>exactly! :D
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08:55<XReaper>wheezy has a good version
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08:56<XReaper>What happens when debian runs out of names?
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08:57<XReaper>Haven't exactly counted how many there are in toy story...
08:57<garulf>hi guys... someone known to bypass writeonly flag on a usb stick?
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08:57<stdspace>XReaper: They force Pixar to make more Toy Story movies...
08:57<XReaper>garulf: perhaps the filesystem is write only?
08:57<garulf>I've tried hdparm -r0 /dev/sdx
08:57<XReaper>stdspace: XD
08:57<stdspace>So far, I think there are plenty of names left.
08:58<garulf>XReaper, no is the device, gparted can't let me create a new partition table
08:58<XReaper>garulf: o
08:58<stdspace>garulf: As root?
08:58<garulf>XReaper: is there a way to "reinit" the device without ejecting it?
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08:58<garulf>XReaper: ofcourse from root
08:58<garulf>stdspace: of course from root
08:59<boodie>Anyways, I'm stuck now
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08:59<nocturnal>I've made the RTL8188EU chipset work in debian 7 on a raspberry pi. but when I try the same on an intel i3 with debian 7 and this realtek driver https://github.com/lwfinger/rtl8188eu I can see the adapter but I can't set it into AP mode. which worked fine on the Pi.
08:59<nocturnal>anyone got experience with this chipset?
09:00-!-mode/#debian [+l 622] by debhelper
09:00<garulf>is write protected the device, dmesg says: [sdb] Write Protect is on
09:00<garulf>when i plug the usb
09:01<garulf>then I try hdparm -r0 /dev/sdb, it seems to set the correct flag but it doesn't work
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09:02<garulf>when I replug the flag is resetted to writeonly
09:02<garulf>is there a way to "reinit" the device without unplugging it?
09:03<XReaper>ah, either that or the flash has crapped itself
09:03<XReaper>or the controller :/
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09:03<garulf>mmm
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09:04<XReaper>Keep finding windows methods :P
09:05<garulf>XReaper, me too and I've no win on this machine :S
09:05<XReaper>what filesystem is on it?
09:06<garulf>a fat32
09:06<garulf>but even dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx doesn't work
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09:06<nocturnal>haha I totally missed that the github repo also contained a firmware file
09:06<garulf> thanks anyway
09:06<garulf>bye
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09:08<XReaper>nocturnal: ha
09:08<XReaper>nocturnal: sounds like you failed >.>
09:08<boodie>Hi: now, after having installed the backport kernel, X doesn't work ... the culprit is the nvidia drivers that haven't been upgraded with the kernel ... any hints?
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09:11<XReaper>boodie: are there any backport nvidia drivers?
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09:11<nocturnal>yes I failed. now hostapd starts but it gets a lot of Operation not supported errors and the AP is not visible.
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09:13<boodie>XReaper: yes, I tried to install them, unsuccessfully
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09:16<gsimmons>boodie: You would want to ensure that the necessary kernel headers are available on your system (apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-headers-amd64), then attempt module compilation (dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms).
09:16<boodie>gsimmons: I'll try
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09:17<jm_>heh now that would be great if it was just that
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09:23<boodie>gsimmons: It seems to have done the job: many thanks. startx tries to launch gnome and freezes, so I had to knock it down. Since I have gdm3, should I dpkg-reconfigure it as well?
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09:23<jm_>shame on me for not thinking of that first (that's what using custom kernels does to you)
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09:25<boodie>jm_: Never mind. I might still not be out of trouble, though. Might gdm3 be in need to be backported too?
09:25<jm_>boodie: no, does it work with another user?
09:26<boodie>no
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09:26<jm_>so it might be a driver issue, try backporting a newer version
09:26<boodie>Ok, ... ehm ... how?
09:26<jm_>!ssb
09:26<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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09:27<jm_>is computer still accessible when it freezes?
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09:30<boodie>Yes, Alt-PrintScr-K knocks down X ... At the time of the latest major update of Wheezy I updated the packages, but ran out of disk space. I had the X problem, but it was gdm3 (purged & rebuilt). Gnome was unaccessible, KDE & WMaker worked
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09:31<boodie>Then I backported iceweasel, because it froze often. Today it froze always, so I came to ask for advice and was told to backport the kernel
09:33<jm_>try running debsums
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09:33<jm_>at worst, reinstall all packages
09:33<jm_>(ensure you will have enough space!)
09:33<boodie>So, X still doesn't work, but not because of the missing nvidia module
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09:34<boodie>How do I backport gdm3, if I had to?
09:34<jm_>you should also check gdm, X and xsession-errors logs
09:35<jm_>you can easily eliminate gdm as a culprit - use startx instead
09:35<jm_>I doubt gdm has anything to do with it
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09:35<boodie>Ok I'll try to reboot
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09:36<jm_>huh why
09:36<aklix-dev>I want to jail (chroot) sshserver? Does anyone has a good reference?
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09:39<jordanm>aklix-dev: ChrootDirectory in sshd_config manpage
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09:48<boodie>Hi: it's me ... X works, so does iceweasel (so far), I still have to try gnome.
09:48<boodie>Thanks a lot for your help
09:49<boodie>I always manage to dunk myself in s**t
09:50<babilen>boodie: Why did you backport iceweasel yourself? You can get perfectly fine backports from the mozilla maintainers from http://mozilla.debian.net :)
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09:54<boodie>I was exactly advised to do so (in this chatroom) ... by adding the line <deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel-releas> in sources.list and then what follows on mozilla.debian.net, but iceweasel went from bad to worse
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09:55<babilen>boodie: Ah, it sounded as if *you* backported the package and not as if your simply installed a backport.
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09:56<boodie>babilen: Nono, I followed the instructions, including the keyring.
09:56<babilen>boodie: AFAICT your problems are probably rather related to something else as many people use the provided iceweasel packages without those problems. Did you fix you Xorg completely? Is it using the nvidia module now?
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09:57<babilen>boodie: Yeah, that (installing from http://mozilla.debian.net) is perfectly fine. It's just that "Then I backported iceweasel" sounded as if *you* backported the package from, say, sid to wheezy rather than using the packages that are already available.
09:57<boodie>Yes, at the moment X works. I'm not sure about gnome, because it used to freeze at the splashscreen (at the moment I am with WMaker, my favourite). I think that a lot of problems have to do with the webcam.
09:58<boodie>Problem is, as with the nvidia drivers, one discovers hardware problems after having purchased the gimmick
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09:59<boodie>Given my level of skill, messing with sid would be a suicide
09:59<boodie>Slow and painful
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10:03<babilen>boodie: I did not suggest to use sid at all.
10:04<XReaper>hmm... no progress on a dist-upgrade is sure annoying
10:04<XReaper>:p
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10:06<babilen>XReaper: ?
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10:08<XReaper>gentoo, arch, etc have a conveinent (blah of blah)
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10:10<babilen>XReaper: I do not quite follow. What is the specific problem you are encountering (complaining about) ?
10:10<TobiX>XReaper: Well, there is --show-progress, but it's pretty new...
10:10<XReaper>TobiX: wheezy?
10:10<babilen>Ah!
10:11<TobiX>XReaper: No, I think not, sorry...
10:11<XReaper>lol
10:11<babilen>"progress report" or "progress bar" or whatnot
10:11<XReaper>THAT new?
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10:11<XReaper>Mind you, i NEED the progress on gentoo
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10:12<XReaper>recompiling my whole system is fun
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10:13<babilen>fsvo fun
10:13<XReaper>:D
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10:44<XReaper>i keep finding prompts to overwrite configs...
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10:45*XReaper prefers the gentoo way, merge configs after install even if everything will break without changes XD
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10:46<Giuse>hi
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10:56<OWNSyouAll_DESKTOP>XReaper, funny you should say that I just switched to debian to get away from gentoo
10:57<XReaper>hah!
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10:59<user>hey
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11:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:33<boodie>Hi; now that I have backported the kernel , X and iceweasel seem to work (touch wood), the last issue is gnome, which freezes at splashscreen, after I logged in via gdm3, any hints?
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11:38<boodie>this is my prior Xorg.0.log.old file. I knocked down X after 10 minutes gnome was at it's green lizardy theme, not loading icons or seemingly going anywhere
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11:38<boodie>http://pastie.org/8437525
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11:43<musca>boodie: Did you try to choose [safe | fallback | classic] mode from gdm menu?
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11:44<boodie>No, just the pre-defined
11:44<boodie>hmmm, it seems to have problems setting the display somehow
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11:54<Bassturd>hello world
11:54<KapitaenM>hello user
11:54<Bassturd>:)
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12:00<Diranged>Hey.. if I have a single debian control file that makes packages 'Source', 'Binary', and 'App'… how can I configure the 'App' package to always depend on exactly the same version 'Binary' package.. that is, each time they are built, i want to make sure the App package always depends on its matching Binary package.
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12:03<babilen>Diranged: Please ask in #debian-mentors
12:03<babilen>Diranged: Ah, you did already. nvm
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12:13<kenneth104>it's work?
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12:13<Maulkin>?
12:14<Maulkin>kenneth104: Do you have a Debian question?
12:14<kenneth104>yep
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12:14<Maulkin>!ask
12:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:15<kenneth104>will sb uses Godson 8090D? the Graphice looks did not work
12:15<Maulkin>kenneth104: That doesn't make much sense...
12:15<Maulkin>!cn
12:15<dpkg>如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作!
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12:17<free-electron>Do I report kernel bugs to debian's bugzilla, or kernel.org's?
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12:20<Maulkin>free-electron: Start with Debian probably
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12:24<mdupont>howdy
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12:25<mdupont>just upgraded sid but did not reboot yet, google voice now broken
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12:27<kenneth104>!ask
12:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:27<blast007>kenneth104: do you have a Debian question? If so, ask it. :)
12:28<blast007>kenneth104: and make sure to include details
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12:29<kenneth10>i am chinese just wait Google Translate,i am kenneth104
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12:29<kenneth10>pls
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12:32<kenneth10>With siliconmotion drive can not start xorg,use godson 8089D Machine(lemote 8089D another name)
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12:33<aklix-dev>Greetings! Can anyone give a hint about chroot'ing nginx?
12:33<kenneth10>Graphics is siliconmotion Sm712
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12:40<retrospectacus>kenneth1042: can you run "lspci -nn; cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and put the output on http://paste.debian.net
12:40<kenneth1042>i try
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12:46<kenneth1042>ok,use name "kenneth104" put the output on it
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12:48<retrospectacus>kenneth1042: once you have submitted the data, please tell us the url
12:48<magnetophon>does anyone know what happened to irc #debian-multimedia? there where always a couple of people there, but for the pas week I've been all alone :(
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12:49<sney>magnetophon: possibly just a slow decline due to deb-multimedia.org being less and less relevant?
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12:50<magnetophon>sney: I'm pretty sure they are an official part of debian, not affiliated with that site.
12:50*sney shrug
12:50<sney>no idea then
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12:50<magnetophon>sney: OK, but thanks.
12:51<Maulkin>magnetophon: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia is the owner
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12:53<magnetophon>Maulkin: exactly, and that page points to #debian-multimedia on irc.debian.org (OFTC)
12:53<magnetophon>I feel so lonely in there :P
12:53<Maulkin>magnetophon: And also to the mailing list?
12:54<Maulkin>Lots of channels are often quiet
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12:54<kenneth1042> retrospectacus,already have uploaded,didnt see feedback
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12:54<jeffree>is that a word? lol
12:55<magnetophon>Maulkin: didn't try yet. I don't really have a question atm, but I liked to lurch on the irc to see what's going on... oh, well
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12:56<retrospectacus>kenneth1042: I don't see any data from you on http://paste.debian.net/
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12:57<kenneth1042>yep,i dont know why...pls wait ,fix
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13:02<kenneth1042>it is work!! http://paste.debian.net/62607
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13:05<retrospectacus>kenneth1042: Please run "lspci -nn" and paste there too. Can you also show us your Xorg.conf file(s)
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13:06<sqpp>Hi
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13:06<kenneth1042>the new all in it http://paste.debian.net/62608
13:07<Maulkin>!ask
13:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:07<sqpp>How can i secure more my debian?
13:07<Maulkin>sqpp: Read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/
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13:08<sqpp>Thanks Maulkin
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13:12<kenneth1042>the xorg.conf in http://paste.debian.net/62609...it's transmitted to my friends
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13:15<kenneth1042>the xorg.conf in http://paste.debian.net/62609 it's my friends show me
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13:17<retrospectacus>kenneth1042: try removing it. xorg.conf is not necessary
13:17<retrospectacus>back up /rename it
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13:19<kenneth1042>OK,rename it and reboot
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13:28<kenneth104>if remove xong.conf,run "startx" it well fail,the new log in http://paste.debian.net/62613/
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13:32<luketheduke>Is it possible to set PAM up to authenticate users against a remote server's login pam setup with out-of-the-box pam modules?
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14:15<Daniel_>Hi. I'm trying top change my locale. I ran "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and choosed my language by scrolling down to it and then clicked "enter". But the language I choosed doesn't show up on the next page where it asks me to pick the default locale.
14:16<Daniel_>Did I do something wrong when trying to choose it?
14:16<retrospectacus>Daniel_: you have to hit "space" to "check off" the options
14:16<retrospectacus>then "enter" to proceed
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14:32<Daniel_>Thanks for the help, retrospectacus! :)
14:32<retrospectacus>no problem
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14:36<valdyn>luketheduke: that requirement makes no sense to me
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14:37<valdyn>luketheduke: pam is not a network protocol or a network server
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14:41<luketheduke>yeah, I'm thinking SASL will probably need to get involved
14:41<luketheduke>or a different authentication protocol
14:42<valdyn>luketheduke: 2 popular remote authentication services that pam can use are ldap and kerberos
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14:42<valdyn>luketheduke: but it can authenticate against windows active directory too
14:42<valdyn>( which kind of is kerberos i guess )
14:43<valdyn>luketheduke: not sure if theres anything else that would be noteworthy
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14:44<luketheduke>I'm trying to avoid LDAP
14:44<luketheduke>(silly, I know)
14:44<valdyn>im pretty sure though that there defenitely is nothing noteworthy that pam cannot authenticate against
14:44<valdyn>luketheduke: *very* silly
14:45<valdyn>luketheduke: everything i listed does usually include ldap
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14:46<rickard>Is there a step by step tutorial on how to install debian safely on a new partition? I know how to do it but i am unsecure to actualy do it. =/
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14:48<valdyn>luketheduke: as far as I know theres only ldap and flat files for the directory service in the stack
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15:35<bike>having some serious issues here, tried pretty much everything, running on wheezy, tried x from testing, compiled several new kernel(s), updating mesa to testing , same result http://pastebay.com/1335256
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15:56<bike>having some serious issues here, tried pretty much everything, running on wheezy, tried x from testing, compiled several new kernel(s), updating mesa to testing , same result http://pastebay.com/1335256
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16:01<bobo>hello, somebody help me with my HP Deskjet 3525, my provider restarted my internet connection and after restart my printer and scanner dont work, sorry for my english :)
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16:02<bobo>probably change mi IP, I connect to printer or scanner with wireless
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16:04<ectospasm>bobo: I assume the LAN side of your router didn't change? The reset Internet connection probably has nothing to do with it.
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16:04<ectospasm>did your WLAN WPA2 password change? Is the printer still on the WLAN?
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16:06<bobo>yes, still on WLAN and nothing change, only my IP address
16:06<ompaul>dpkg: sources.list
16:06<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
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16:09<bobo>ectospasm: Printer and scanner stopped working and the second laptop, where I have ubuntu, does not work scanner and printer too
16:09<ectospasm>bobo: did you reboot the printer/scanner?
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16:10<bobo>ectopasm: yes, I did and nothing, I dont understand that
16:11<ectospasm>bobo: if you plug the printer's IP address into the address bar of your web browser, do you get anything?
16:11<mshuler>if the printer's IP changed, then cups may not know it changed(?) - try re-setting it up in cups
16:11<retrospectacus>bobo: check the router DHCP log / client table - it will tell you the Deskjet IP and you can update your CUPS or so
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16:12<ectospasm>if your printer has a display on it you might be able to determine the IP address...
16:12<mshuler>this is why I treat my two printers as I do the servers on my LAN - they get static IP addresses
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16:15<bobo>Sorry, but I am only beginner, what you mean update CUPS?
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16:21<retrospectacus>bobo: CUPS is the usual tool used to manage printers. Substitute whatever you are using
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16:21<robinlp>hi everyone !
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16:22<retrospectacus>hi robinlp
16:22<robinlp>simple question ;p how to mount usb flash disk to let users save something on it ?
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16:24<ectospasm>robinlp: 1) check "dmesg" when you plug in the USB drive. 2) mount -t auto /dev/sdXY /mnt/point/ (get "sdXY" from dmesg). You may need to change the permissions on /mnt/point to get other users to be able to write to it.
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16:25<robinlp>ectospasm: thank you!
16:26<sistem>[[[B^ what is this ?
16:26<retrospectacus>sistem: Debian support on IRC
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16:29<sistem>retrospectacus: when debian starts a lat af characters [[[B^[[[B^[[[B^[[[B^ like this what is this
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16:30<blast007>sistem: ANSI escape sequences - but you'll have to be more specific.. when are you encountering that?
16:30<sistem>blast007:starting linux
16:31<blast007>are you pressing keys on the keyboard?
16:31<sistem>no
16:31<sistem>after loading please wait then [[[B^[[[B^[[[B^
16:32<retrospectacus>is there an actual problem caused? Does the system still boot normally and work?
16:32<sistem>now no
16:32<sistem>i tried a lot of times re install debian
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16:33<sistem>finally i give up
16:33<retrospectacus>uh
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16:34<sistem>i tried different linux distro for install all of them same problem
16:34<retrospectacus>does that mean there is a problem, or there is no problem
16:34<sistem>:)
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16:40<retrospectacus>sistem: great. let us know if you have a problem.
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16:44<valdyn>top
16:45<sistem>retrospectacus: always ask boot:
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16:51<robinlp>I added chmod 777 to /mnt/usb (which is my usb stick, mounted), and I still cant save anything ?
16:51<robinlp>is this something wrong with pendrive ?
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16:52<sney>what filesystem is it?
16:53<robinlp>its brand new, i guess fat32
16:53*SamB wonders if that changes / on the mounted FS, or /mnt/usb in the root FS ...
16:53<sney>fat32 doesn't understand unix permissions. you need to mount it under a directory owned by your user
16:54<robinlp>i did, but i cant save anything there
16:54<retrospectacus>!vfatrw
16:54<dpkg>To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id".
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16:54<sney>or, that fstab kludge works too. in a single user system, though, there's no reason not to just stick it under /home
16:55<retrospectacus>usually your GUI file manager will let you mount it that way too
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17:54<Xse7e>algum brasileiro
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17:54<sney>!br
17:54<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:55<Xse7e>obrigado!]
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18:01<vixxo>hi guys, I need to install a more updated version of liferea from the testing repo. What do you suggest ?
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18:04<retrospectacus>,checkbackport liferea
18:04<judd>Backporting package liferea in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy.
18:04<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell vixxo -about ssb
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18:05<Mayara>oi
18:06<vixxo>thanks retrospectacus
18:07<Mayara>Alguem sabe como ativar o windows 8??
18:07<abrotman>!br
18:07<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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18:07<Mayara>ok
18:07<Mayara>thanks
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18:34<keep>fd
18:35<keep>Alguem ?
18:35<keep>Hello ?
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18:36<keep_>?
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18:37<Infiltrator>!ask
18:37<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:47<SOUL_OF_R00T>good night grear guys, i use linux at some time but i am new in OFTC itś a pleasure tc with us !
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18:53<retrospectacus>SOUL_OF_R00T: do you have a Debian support question/problem today?
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18:55<SOUL_OF_R00T>at moment no retrospectacus , thanks...
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19:38<omixam>Hello.... I can't install mtpfs in debian wheezy.... can help me?
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19:40<retrospectacus>,checkbackport mtpfs
19:40<judd>Backporting package mtpfs in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy.
19:41<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell omixam about ssb
19:42<omixam>you suggest use jessie backport?
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19:42<retrospectacus>sid
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19:43<omixam>I new in debian how can add backport?
19:44<retrospectacus>omixam: mtpfs is only in sid. There is no backport
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19:44<retrospectacus>omixam: you must backport it yourself by following the instructions the robot sent you.
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19:45<omixam>another alternative for MTP devices?
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19:48<retrospectacus>omixam: many softwares support MTP devices. Amarok Audacious Banshee Rhythmbox
19:48<omixam>but debian doesn't reconize my device....
19:49<retrospectacus>why do you think so
19:50<omixam>I can't see it and can't mount it...
19:51<retrospectacus>omixam: which of the programs I mentioned above are you trying to "see it"?
19:51<retrospectacus>it will not "mount" as you don't have mtpfs
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19:54<omixam>Nothing...
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19:55<retrospectacus>well?
19:56<omixam>I had been try to install mtpfs and other mtp library...
19:56<omixam>I need manage files not music or photos...
19:57<retrospectacus>omixam: I told you how to install mtpfs, did you try that?
19:57<omixam>Let me try to add si backport
19:58<omixam>why sid and not jessie?
19:58<retrospectacus>you do not "add sid backport" ; you add sid sources and compile the package yourself.
19:58<retrospectacus>jessie does not have mtpfs
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20:01<omixam>where can find the deb-src sid backport?
20:02<retrospectacus>omixam: .....
20:03<omixam>sorry... but I'm new with debian....
20:03<retrospectacus>omixam: you are not making any sense. The robot told you what to do
20:03<boodie>Hi; it's me again ... now, after backporting the kernel, X, firefox, gnome all work (thank goodness). One last thing: the webcam (Logitech E3500) on Wheezy doesn't. Might there be a module to load? I looked around but it's like lookin for a needle in the haystack. Any idea?
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20:06<retrospectacus>boodie: does it work in "cheese"?
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20:07<boodie>retrospectacus: No - screen black (it worked before the backport)
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20:09<boodie>It's a UVC camera perfectly supported ... I suspect the kernel module hasn't been created somehow
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20:15<vook_>How would I go about installing icedtea6-plugin in squeeze. The problem I'm having is defined here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=718431
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20:17<quiteDEADlee>anyone use Samba with PowerBroker?
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20:17<quiteDEADlee>I can't get my Samba using the AD auth from it :P
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20:18<boodie>Output of uvcdynctrl -l : http://pastie.org/8438781
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20:19<themill>vook_: I know this isn't quite an answer, but you'd probably be better off upgrading to wheezy and using icedtea7-plugin instead. You'll find much better compatibility and performance
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20:21<vook_>themill: yes. Unfortunately it's a weak little virtual server with only 512M of memory. I tried installing wheezy on it and it ate up too much memory.
20:21<themill>the memory usage of squeeze and wheezy should be the same
20:21<vook_>oddly, with a default install, it wasn't - at least in this case.
20:21<vook_>(default meaning no X - standard)
20:21<themill>also... why do you want a java plugin for a web browser on a virtual server at all? let alone one with so littlle resources
20:22<vook_>so I can connect to a kvm-over-ip switch at the office which is whitelisted in the firewall to only be accessible from this single IP.
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20:26<Ubiquity4>Hello
20:27<quiteDEADlee>hey
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20:27<Ubiquity4>is there a Knoppix chan? I think i may have come here by accident
20:27<Ubiquity4>automagically from knoppix
20:27<quiteDEADlee>lol, I'm not sure
20:27<vook_>its likely on freenode at #knoppix
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20:28<Ubiquity4>kthx
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20:30<boodie>Hi: how can I see who has permissions on the device /dev/video0?
20:30<omixam>I get the mtpfs code but is giving erro when I try to compile....
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20:45<bing>hey, what's the official way to ask debian to package my software?
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20:46<abrotman>dpkg: tell bing about rfp
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20:49<bing>ugh, i wish there was a web form
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20:51<abrotman>like webmail?
20:51<RESPECTm3>prueba
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20:51<abrotman>english please
20:51<abrotman>or run away
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20:55<bing>abrotman, do i actually put "Package: wnpp" in the message body of my mail to submit@bugs.debian.org?
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20:56<bing>abrotman, the email interface to bugs.debian.org is alienating
20:56<abrotman>bing: no one is forcing you to do this
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20:57<bing>abrotman, don't worry, it's just some useful feedback.
20:58<abrotman>an RFP is useful feedback ?
20:58<bing>abrotman, have you been accused of being helpful?
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21:00<boodie>Hi, after backporting the kernel (wheezy), the webcam (Logitech, Inc. QuickCam E 3500) ceased to work. It's detected (lsusb), but it just show a black screen ... any idea?
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21:01<abrotman>oh, he didn't stick around
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21:01<abrotman>boodie: ucv device?
21:02<boodie>Yes
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21:05<boodie>tried everything (v4l2ucp, cheese, ...) : black screen
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21:07<boodie>tried gstreamer-properties
21:08<mzx89>here's a question for you guys: when i attempt to connect to a wireless network with wicd, it always fails on the first try (can't get past the attempt to obtain an IP) but if i cancel and try again it always works. this occurs on more than one of my computers. anyone experience this before?
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21:10<boodie>I looked around in google, and it seems that all distros have a problem with the UVC webcams after updating / upgrading kernels
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21:12<boodie>the driver is uvcvideo, which appears in lsmod ...is there a way to see if it needs backporting?
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22:22<rostam>On my system I have two distinct disk, is it possible I install the grub on one disk and debian on other disk?
22:23<abrotman>yes
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22:23<rostam>abrotman, I have not been able to do it, any pointer please ?
22:24<abrotman>rostam: did you read the installation manual?
22:24<abrotman>rostam: this has been possible for ages
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22:24<rostam>thanks, I have missed that.
22:26<rostam>abrotman, Are you refering to this doc: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ?
22:26<abrotman>yes ..
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22:28<rostam>thanks I am going through it now.
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23:05<rostam>HI is it possible using preseed to install two instance of debian during installation ?
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23:20<rjsalts>rostam: you can install as many instances as you like with the same preseed
23:21<rjsalts>rostam: is that what you mean?
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23:24<SamB>otherwise what would be the point exactly?
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23:26<Infiltrator>I think that he just came from the world of MS where you need to pay each time you install an instance...
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