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02:12<Dongyancai>Hello, I asked something about realtek, and was adviced to use kernel provided driver and firmware-realtek instead of the driver provided by realtek. but it doesn't work at all.
02:13<jm_>what exactly doesn't work?
02:14<Dongyancai>I cannot connect to network after switched to driver provided by debian.
02:15<Dongyancai>ip addr says "state DOWN"
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02:17<jm_>and it works with realtek's driver?
02:18<Dongyancai>not fully, it can only get 100Mbps on a Gigabit link
02:19<jm_>have you tried using a newer kernel?
02:20<Dongyancai>I am using Debian 7.2, and apt-get upgrade to newest
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02:21<Dongyancai>kernel version is 3.2.0-4-amd64
02:21<jm_>did you try the kernel from backports too?
02:21<jm_>ok so you didn't
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02:24<Dongyancai>so I should try stable + backport ?
02:25<blackout>I have a presenter and when I click left or right it works, when I press PgUp/PgDown it doesn't get recognized even in xev it doesn't give me any information, can someone tell me how I can bind these keys? thx
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02:26<jm_>I would recommend that yes
02:27<jm_>also get firmware-realtek from backports
02:31<Dongyancai>ok, I am trying. but I need to switch back to realtek provided driver now. but I don't know how to uninstall it. I know little about modules..
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02:33<jm_>you can just remove the module from /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/... as long as it's not in some package
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03:01<jm_>blackout: does kernel see it?
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03:04<jm_>what does it show then?
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03:07<blackout>if I press the buttons which are not recognized by xev
03:07<blackout>and type cat /dev/hidraw3 i get K for one button and N for the other wone
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03:08<blackout>Bus 002 Device 009: ID 1d57:ac01 Xenta Wireless Receiver (Keyboard and Mouse)
03:08<jm_>try following advices from
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03:10<blackout>thx I will try it
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03:45<Dongyancai>I tried to add wheezy-backports, found nothing to update. I seemed to accidencely removed "auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces and caused the "state DOWN". I switched to debian provided driver, it becomes "NO-CARRIER"... updated dmesg | grep r816 and ip addr is in
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03:47<jm_>update won't find a new kernel, you need to install it as it's an additional package
03:47<jm_>judd kernels
03:47<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.11-trunk-686-pae (3.11-1~exp1); sid: 3.11-1-686-pae (3.11.6-1); jessie: 3.10-3-686-pae (3.10.11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.10.11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4)
03:47<jm_>so search for 3.10 kernel
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03:51<gius>hi all
03:52<gius>i have an error in my boot log
03:52<gius>Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!
03:52<gius>any help?
03:52<weasel>check your logs?
03:53<gius>mysql.err and mysql.log are void
03:54<the-dude>gius: syslog or messages log
03:55<gius>the-dudw:what you mean?
03:55<gius>the-dude:what you mean?
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04:01<babilen>gius: Take a look at the various log files you have in /var/log/ -- the-dude was, in particular, referring to messages and syslog. grep might come in handy. I would, as I mentioned yesterday for another program, also compare *your* configuration files to the default ones (you might find them in /usr/share/doc/mysql*/* or see "/msg dpkg confnew" if you want to replace yours)
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04:01<babilen>(and lay off the enter key)
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04:12<gius>babilen: where i found my conf files for mysql
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04:14<babilen>gius: Run, say, "dpkg -L mysql-common" and check yourself. The seminal place for configuration files is /etc and it shouldn't surprise you to find either a /etc/mysql.conf there or a directory like /etc/mysql. MySQL does use the latter scheme and "your" configuration file is fittingly names "my.cnf"
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04:28<Dongyancai>How can I update initramfs-tools_0.113 in wheezy? it says "couldn't find any package by regex 'initramfs-tools_0.113'...
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04:30<SamB>Dongyancai: try "initramfs-tools"
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04:30<SamB>the 0.113 part just looks like a version number (probably just the upstream part)
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04:34<Dongyancai>sorry, I minsunderstoood the message "breaks: initramfs-tools (< 0.110~) but 0.109.1 is to be installed", which appears when i try to install linux-image-3.10-0-bpo.3-amd64
04:36<weasel>try apt-get install initramfs-tools/wheezey-backports
04:36<weasel>or apt-get install -t wheezy-backports initramfs-tools
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04:51<Dongyancai>installed linux-image-3.10-0.bgo.3-amd64, didn't found updated firmware-realtek, still NO-CARRIER... giving up...
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04:53<maxy>Dongyancai: What do you mean by NO-CARRIER?
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04:55<Dongyancai>when I use driver provided by debian with (firmware-realtek), the nic doesn't work, and ip link says NO-CARRIER, when using realtek provided driver, the link is limited to 100Mbps even I have a Gigabit link. when using debian provided driver, some display looks like:
04:56<jm_>firmware-realtek is in non-free on backports
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05:00<Dongyancai>when I install a firmware, will it install to all kernel versions?
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05:01<ixi>it installs to /lib/firmware which iirc all kernels look into
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05:08<Dongyancai>well, nothing changed after firmware updated...
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05:09<babilen>Dongyancai: Did you install the firmware from backports?
05:11<babilen>Dongyancai: And what does "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" give you?
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05:12<Dongyancai>yes, already. kernel is 3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64, firmware-realtek-0.29~bpo70+1
05:12<jm_>presumably you mean 0.39~bpo70+1
05:13<babilen>Dongyancai: It should be 0.39~bpo70+1 (2 vs 3), but I guess that was a typo. What about the output of the lspci command? Did you reload the module or reboot after installing the firmware?
05:13<Dongyancai>yes... a typo...
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05:14<babilen>If you cannot paste the output of that command easily, just provide us with the alphanumerical identifier in brackets at the end. It should look like: [ab12:cd34]
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05:14<babilen>Dongyancai: Also: Did you make sure that you completely removed every bit of the "realtek driver" and that it doesn't interfere with the current setup? Any blacklists that might still be in place?
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05:19<Dongyancai>lspci, lspci -v, dmesg, ip addr, /etc/network/interfaces :
05:19<babilen>Dongyancai: Please, I asked specifically about the "lspci -nn" output.
05:20<babilen>Or rather "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet"
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05:21<Dongyancai>03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 09)
05:21<babilen>Unfortunately I will now have to take a look later.
05:21<babilen>judd: pciid 10ec:8168
05:21<judd>[10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in wheezy. See also
05:22<babilen>Dongyancai: You are not using the kernel module but r8168 (in lieu of r8169 from the kernel)
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05:23<babilen>Dongyancai: I guess that you still have r8169 blacklisted somewhere and maybe some other remnants of the realtek driver installation. Please make sure to revert that installation completely. It should also be noted that you don't need a backported kernel for that NIC at all and that it should work™ just fine if the firmware is installed.
05:23<Dongyancai>but lsmod| grep displays 'r8169' instead of r8168
05:23<babilen>Dongyancai: Did you reboot?
05:23<babilen>Either way, bbl
05:24<Dongyancai>always rebooted...
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05:27<Dongyancai>babilen, also, the realtek driver is never installed in /lib/modules/3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64/
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05:27<Dongyancai>only installed in 3.2
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05:48<ZIPY>hi, my netbook freezes sometimes, how can i find out what causes this issue?
05:48<ZIPY>dmesg | tail?
05:49<ixi>inspect logs in /var/log
05:49<ixi>namely syslog, messages and xorg logs
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06:01<ZIPY>ixi: i got in messages and syslog some lines full of: \00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\
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06:08<Natureshadow>Cann udd (or something) provide me with a list of all bug reports I ever touched, no matter in what way? If so, how?
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06:10<abrotman>touched at all?
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06:12<Natureshadow>abrotman: commented, tagged, reported, closed .... yes, touched at all
06:16<abrotman>i dont think so ... thought there was a #udd?
06:19<Natureshadow>abrotman: no ;)
06:19<Natureshadow>as in, I didn't think of that ;)
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06:19<Natureshadow>And, no, there isn't :)
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06:24<themill>Natureshadow: the search feature at might help you
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06:41<Natureshadow>themill: I'm not *that* stupid ... that search feature does not help.
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06:42<babilen>Natureshadow: Well, use google: ' "Your Name or email"'
06:42<Natureshadow>Now, that would be one way...
06:43<babilen>Natureshadow: Also, the "with mail from" feature of the BTS looks quite relevant.
06:43<babilen>Natureshadow: might come in handy too
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06:47<Natureshadow>babilen: thanks!
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06:49<Natureshadow>Now if this link weren't broken ...
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06:53<babilen>Natureshadow: IIRC that has been broken for quite a while :-/
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07:14<Takis>who can tell me how can change something inside a d\file without open it?
07:14<babilen>Takis: impossible, but it depends on what exactly you mean by "open"
07:17<Takis>look. i want to change a value in several files (like hosts, hostname, network, e.t.c.) without use editor. i will make a script that you type the desired value and then it update the right file.
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07:19<jm_>sed has -i switch etc.
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07:21<joker>i was wondering if anyone else experiences problems with initramfs-tools
07:21<joker>it hangs when executed "initramfs-tools -u"
07:22<joker>and looks like i am the only one (couldnt find anything in google)
07:23<joker>amd64, testing/jessie
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07:23<zumbi>joker: I think testing/jessie is better supported at #debian-next
07:24*babilen moves joker to #debian-next and hands him/her for additional information. (might want to check logs) -- Please also elaborate why you are calling that directly. (it should work though)
07:24<joker>ok ,thank you (1st i am here in debian irc :) )
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07:25<babilen>no problem
07:25<babilen>joker: Just make it a habit to read the /topic of a channel first before asking a question. It typically contains invaluable information.
07:26<joker>i will. thanks for advice
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07:33<rpetre>hello, git-buildpackage question: we're trying to use gbp to build a package using cowbuilder but for some reason it insists to do a cleanup outside the chroot and dh complains about some missing build-deps, any idea what are we missing?
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07:37<nadir>rpetre: i just was pointed to the following link which has a config example for gbp and git-pbuilder. Perhaps it will help you (and perhaps not):
07:38<nadir>if build-deps are missing i'd say you have to add them to debian/control
07:39<rpetre>nadir: i mean the trouble is it's trying to run debian/rules clean outside of pbuilder
07:40<rpetre>i suspect it's because i don't have the orig.tgz premade
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07:40<nadir>My hope was that the gbp config file to be found at said link might help with that.
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07:40<rpetre>nadir: yes, thanks
07:41<nadir>I only do git-buildpackage first and then pbuilder with the resulting *dsc file.... in other words: i am not exactly the right person to answer ... :-)
07:41<nadir>But i was planning to look at said example as soon as possible.
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07:42<nadir>Perhaps ask in #debian-mentors (if no one will answer here. But i would just wait)
07:43<nadir>Ah ... you did that already ... i missedit
07:44<themill>Natureshadow: what doesn't help about that search feature?
07:44<themill>it can happily give me a list of every bug I've ever sent an email to...
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07:46<Natureshadow>themill: does that include mails to
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07:50<themill>Natureshadow: I can't see ones where I have done that that are missing from my list, but I don't often touch control without also mailing the bug
07:51*Natureshadow is certain that this list is missing some (old) bugs
07:52<themill>Have you toggled "Archived and unarchived"?
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08:05<magnetophon>not directly debian related, but I'm not sure where else I should ask, or how to google: I was playing around with synclient, and now double-click selects a word in any program but iceweasel. before it "just worked"(tm) what could be going on?
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09:28<Ange7>hey all o/
09:29<Ange7>someone know why debian don't push «redmine v2.x» on official repository ? actually v1.4 .... :-/
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09:30<babilen>judd: v redmine
09:30<judd>Package: redmine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-2; squeeze-security: 1.0.1-2; squeeze-backports: 1.1.2-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.4.4+dfsg1-2+deb7u1; jessie: 1.4.4+dfsg1-3; sid: 2.3.3-2
09:30<babilen>Ange7: ^^
09:30<Ange7>2.3 on sid.
09:31<Ange7>Ok sorry ^^
09:31<babilen>sid is an official repository
09:31<Ange7>I had not seen
09:31<babilen>Are you using wheezy? Do you want to use that version or were you simply interested in the way that package is maintained?
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09:38<Ange7>i using wheezy
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09:38<Ange7>i don't want sid on my production :D
09:38<Ange7>environment* production
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09:48<babilen>Ange7: But do you want to use that version or are you happy with the one in wheezy? (my crystal ball is working as hard as it can, but I can ultimately not read your mind)
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09:55<babilen>dpkg: tell Ange7 -about ssb
09:55<babilen>Ange7: Just in case my clairvoyancy is justified
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09:56<Ange7>babilen: i want use v2.3 lol
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09:57<babilen>Ange7: Then please *say so* :) -- You can follow the instructions our bot sent you to create a backport yourself. It should work (to some degree) as, at least, all build dependencies of it are satisfied in wheezy or wheezy-backports.
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11:06<Argure>quick question, where can I change the boot order of daemons
11:06<Argure>having quassel start before identd is rather annoying. :o)
11:07<Maulkin>Argure: What version of Debian are you running?
11:08<Maulkin>Argure: Ok - it *should* be using dependancy based booting.
11:08<Argure>oidentd is not really a dependency of any irc client
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11:09<Argure>but having anything that sends an ident response start before oidentd seems rather... erm, the wrong way around.
11:09<Maulkin>Argure: If you edit /etc/init.d/quassel and tell it that inetd needs to start first, that should be useful. Or simply drop whatever is still needing to use inetd
11:09<Maulkin>And then set it on fire
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11:11<Argure>identd != inetd :P
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11:12<grummund>Hi, is there a way to pass arguments to a shell specified to su? this does not work: su nobody --shell="/bin/bash -r"
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11:20<stdhell>grummund: For the "bash -r" case, "rbash" might work as a workaround.
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11:21<grummund>stdhell: yes, but just cheking in case i'm missing something about su syntax.
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11:27<stdhell>grummund: I think you would have to make a wrapper, if you want the shell to take arguments. SHELL="/bin/bash -r" su nobody --preserve-environment dies with the same error message about "/bin/bash -r" not existing.
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11:28<grummund>thsnks. i guess that's understandable
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11:59<silas>im looking for ruby install for debian7
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11:59<silas>can someone help me
12:00<blast007>silas: had you tried 'apt-get install ruby' ?
12:02<silas>yes i tried it but i want the version 1.9.3p385 ....
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12:02<silas>and on debian7 there 1.9.3p194
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12:03<silas>and my debian told me this version is the last one.......2012..
12:03<blast007>well, that version is not in Debian.
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12:04<silas>ha ? ok and want can i do to upgrade it pls ?
12:04<blast007>hmm, or perhaps it is.. I was looking at the minimum version in a dependency, so it might be newer in jessie or sid.
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12:05<blast007>jessie (Debian testing) seems to have 1.9.3u448
12:06<silas>im not sure but i see the 2.0.0 but its maybe not a stable one.......
12:06<silas>ha ? and how can i pick it and install it pls ?
12:06<silas>the 448 will be good
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12:12<silas>blast ?
12:13<blast007>I don't know the best method. You'll have to wait for someone who knows more about that.
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12:14<Maulkin>silas: What does "cat /etc/debian_version" say?
12:15<Maulkin>silas: And the output of "dpkg -l libc6|tail -1"
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12:16<silas>7.2 Maulkin
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12:18<silas>Maulkin: 7.2
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12:20<Maulkin>silas: And the other bit?
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12:22<Maulkin>silas: At the moment, you'll have to wait basically
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12:28<silas>ok thks
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12:39<coldtobi>How can I avoid that during boot the console is changed to a graphical mode? Symtom is that after some seconds into the boot the screen goes dark and the monitor says "no signal". Itried already adding to the kernel cmdline vga=normal nomodeset and fb=false, also video=vga16:off .. There is no X installed on this server.
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12:40<SamB>coldtobi: so this is before or after you get the menu of things to boot?
12:41<coldtobi>grub boots fine
12:42<coldtobi>so I currently assume that smth in init.d sets the mode...
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12:44<coldtobi>could it be console-setup to change to some framebuffer mode?
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12:45<darkphader>what is with the debian version of nmap wanting to install all this X stuff?
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12:46<lupine>there may be an nmap-tiny package
12:47<lupine>but there is not one
12:47<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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12:48*SamB wonders why "apt-cache policy" includes all these clutterful "500 [...] Translation-en" lines ...
12:49<darkphader>seems that --no-recommends will pare it down but how does that effect later upgrades?
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12:49<SamB>darkphader: I don't think it does much to later upgrades, but can't really say for sure since I have that turned off in my apt.conf
12:50<coldtobi>no, its not console-setup
12:50<SamB>that is, I'm not sure if it will try to install the recommends when you upgrade a recommending package or not
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12:51<darkphader>i'm really trying to like debian, but many gray areas
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12:52<jordanm>!tell darkphader about why recommends
12:53<coldtobi>Maybe its the chipset of this MB ... Jetway NF9C-2600 ..
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12:56<darkphader>jordanm: nmap is quite a useful tool, even on a headless, gui-less server
12:57<magnetophon>I installed and then purged wine, and now i have references (two of them!) to notepad in my filemanager (when I right click a txt file) How do I get rif of those?
12:57<darkphader>other distros i'm familiar with do not attempt to install X components unless asked for
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12:57<jordanm>darkphader: what other distros?
12:58<jordanm>darkphader: how much disk space do the recommended packages take?
12:58<darkphader>jordanm: not a matter of space
12:59<jordanm>darkphader: since that's the only negative impact installing the packages have, it is
12:59<darkphader>jordanm: arch, gentoo, redhat, centos, fedora
12:59<jordanm>RHEL/fedora come with the X11 libs installed, even on minimal installations
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13:01<retrospectacus>debian also asks for confirmation before installing additional recommended packages of course.
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13:01<blackh3ar7>Hello i want to install solydxk's package manager in my debian please help
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13:02<retrospectacus>blackh3ar7: we can't support that, try talking to the soldyx people
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13:07<musca>darkphader: the difference is just a tiny " -R"
13:08<musca>!tell darkphader about apt recommends
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13:17<houms>i am having issues with icedtea plugin and dell DRAC. it seem i cannot conect. java log shows it is looking for trusted.certs in .java instead of .icedtea.
13:17<coldtobi>ok, found it... the kernel module gma500_gfx just disables the output connected to the monitor. Adding the appropitate kernel line stops to disable it...
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13:30<musca>hello cyruscloud
13:30<cyruscloud>Does anyone know how to reduce battery consumption for Peppermint?
13:31<cyruscloud>or Linux
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13:32<musca>cyruscloud: you reached the debian support channel where only Debian GNU/Linux is on topic.
13:33<magnetophon>cyruscloud: one thing you could do is run top or htop, and see which programs are consuming cpu (=battery), and google what they do, to see if you can uninstall them
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13:35<retrospectacus>cyruscloud: check out powertop
13:36<cyruscloud>These are programs?
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13:38<retrospectacus>cyruscloud: yes... please go to the correct channel for your distro for further support
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13:45<cyruscloud>no one in the peppermint server is responding
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13:46<retrospectacus>!they don't know
13:46<dpkg>We're sorry your distro's channel isn't being helpful, but that doesn't make it appropriate to use #debian for non-Debian questions. Please go back to your channel and wait patiently for better help, or install Debian and party with us.
13:47<cyruscloud>Powertop is not part of debian?
13:47<cyruscloud>or debian related
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13:47<retrospectacus>no, it's just a program. It's available in Debain and probably many other distros
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13:49<cyruscloud>Okay. I have it downloaded. I type it into terminal and it's saying I need root priviledges to use
13:49<cyruscloud>what do I do in this case?
13:50<retrospectacus>cyruscloud: you don't ask here, because we use debian and you don't
13:51<retrospectacus>cyruscloud: you can wait for an answer in the correct channel, you can ask the google, or you can install debian
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13:52<cyruscloud>you just said it's just a program...Not asking about my OS.
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13:52<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell cyruscloud about install debian
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16:03<eslo>Hi, I need some help with preseeding, I have a working preseeding file, but I'm having trouble making a simple recipe for partition. What I want to do is..
16:04<ornj>So, I was running a live distro and a webpage caused the system to freeze. I Ctrl-Alt-F'd to a terminal and top kept showing kswapd0, but it didn't look like it was using that much CPU, so I decided to wait + see if it would resolve itself.
16:04<eslo>Make 3 partition, boot (500M) - ext4, 1G swap, rest / - BTRFS, anybody have a link or a template I can use.
16:04<jordanm>ornj: you probably ran out of RAM, which is I/O intensive, not CPU
16:05<eslo>On /dev/sda
16:05<ornj>When I woke up the screen had gone dark (not just blank, but no light/signal to the laptop's monitor) and the machine was running REALLY hot.
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16:06<ornj>Jordan, I guess, but up till then it only showed like 65% used.
16:07<ornj>So, the fan is still running, tho less hot... Do I have any hope of recovering what I had, or just give up + restart?
16:08<ornj>Related question: Am I harming the CPU if it's running too hot?
16:09<ornj>I should have deleted a lot of stuff I'd saved, to free up RAM. :-/
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16:48<ornj>So, no further comments?
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16:56<BBTC>hey there. my friend was wondering why he is banned from this channel. his nick/hostmask is not in the ban list
16:56<BBTC>he is
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16:59<petemc>BBTC: possibly having root in username
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16:59<BBTC>yup that's it.
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17:10<quarkbuddha>where is the best irc channel to ask about the automated build machines' environment?
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17:11<quarkbuddha>or, if nobody knows, where is the best irc channel to find somebody who does?
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17:14<jordanm>quarkbuddha: assuming you mean for debian packages, #debian-devel
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17:20<quarkbuddha>jordanm: yes, that's what i meant
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18:24<noob>Hi all
18:24<retrospectacus>hi noob
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18:31<Guest3881>hi retrospectacus , i have a problem i did a mistake and move from gnome to something else i think its unity can somehow i be back at gnome?i check log out and then i choose gnome classic which worked but while i was trying to create default gnome classic i made a mistake and now when i'm trying to be on gnome classic i just get a black screen with login
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18:33<noob1>any help gonna be appreciated
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18:37<noob1>i think i'm using gnome3 and i want to have gnome classic what should i do?
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18:48<noob1>i found it
18:49<retrospectacus>dpkg: congratulate noob1
18:49<dpkg>Huzzah noob1, you did it!
18:51<noob1>hehe nice the enviropment was so different which i get confused gtg, good day all
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19:30<Gregor_>can someone tell me how to write and run a c++ code
19:30<ectospasm>Gregor_: did you have certain functions in mind?
19:31<Infiltrator>Gregor_: Also, you're probably better off asking in #c++ on Freenode.
19:31<Infiltrator>The simple answer, though, is: write the code, and then use g++.
19:32<peterS>Gregor_: the short answer: how to write it is up to you. debian has lots of text editors, just pick one. how to copmile it: apt-get install build-essential; g++ -o main
19:32<Gregor_>and i have to save the file as .cc
19:32<peterS>no, g++ accepts other suffixes. but .cc is traditional.
19:33<peterS>(other suffixes, meaning, specific other suffixes. not _all_ other suffixes, unless you pass it a special flag to say "yes this is C++ even if the filename doesn't look like it"
19:34<Gregor_>but it says
19:34<Gregor_>/usr/bin/ld:gregor: file format not recognized; treating as linker script
19:34<Gregor_>/usr/bin/ld:gregor:1: syntax error
19:34<Gregor_>collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
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19:35<peterS>I guess you didn't read my response. 'gregor' is not a valid suffix.
19:35<dpkg>hello, d3c0
19:36<peterS>that or you just forgot the -o before the output filename ("g++ -o gregor" means "build and write the output binary to the name gregor")
19:36<Gregor_>so what are sufixes?
19:36<Gregor_>.cc .cpp?
19:36<d3c0>how I do a USB live debian, only download the .iso and unzip and send to usb?
19:36<peterS>from memory, .cc, .cxx, .C
19:37<peterS>(note .C is not the same as .c, which means the code is in C.)
19:37<Gregor_>and do i run the c.out file?
19:37<Gregor_>it alway says no permissions!
19:38<Gregor_>Even if i am Root!
19:38<peterS>you chose c.out as the output file? (the default if you don't say otherwise is a.out)
19:38<Gregor_>oh yes
19:38<Gregor_>i mean a.out!
19:38<peterS>it is possible that you're on a filesystem with the noexec mount flag
19:38<d3c0>Infiltrator: n_n
19:39<peterS>that flag basically tells the kernel to not permit you to execute any programs that are on that filesystem
19:39<Infiltrator>d3c0: ?
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19:39<peterS>I'm pretty sure Debian doesn't use noexec by default, though maybe in certain cases it does, or maybe some derivative distributions do
19:40<d3c0>Infiltrator: thanks, now I gonna learn how!
19:40<bobianite>would chmod +x do anything on a noexec filesystem?
19:40<peterS>bobianite: sure, it sets the execute bits in the inode
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19:41<bobianite>but if u try to execute it it won't run?
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19:41<peterS>it would show up in 'ls -l' and the like, and if you use chmod +x on a directory instead of a file, the 'noexec' flag has no effect on _that_ functionality
19:41<Gregor_>UUID=FB67-1882 /media/Gregors vfat noauto,exec,rw,user,nosuid 0 2
19:41<Gregor_>This is the filesystem!
19:41<Gregor_>the file is there!
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19:42<Infiltrator>d3c0: Or, in other languages:
19:43<Gregor_>And why even Root isnt allowd to run This?
19:43<d3c0>:o thanks I lot!!
19:43<peterS>Gregor_: good question. does the dynamic linker work? try 'ldd a.out'
19:43<peterS>it should output a short list of libraries that the program uses
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19:44<Gregor_>Dynamic linker?
19:44<peterS>but if something is broken about the linker, it will say something else, depending on what is wrong
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19:45<peterS>I'm specifically thinking of the runtime linker, typically either /lib/ or /lib64/ depending on whether your program is 32-bit or 64-bit
19:45<Gregor_>lld command not found!
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19:45<peterS>not lld
19:45<Gregor_>not a dynamic executable
19:45<bobianite>ldd double d
19:45<peterS>well, g++ should have produced a dynamic executable by default. I wonder what it produced instead.
19:46<peterS>what does 'file a.out' say that the file is?
19:46<Gregor_>a.out: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.26, BuildID[sha1]=0xc07c8b1aa545ae6cc6c50f123134800460b1905c, not stripped
19:46<peterS>ok that's odd then. 'file' thinks it is a dynamic executable, 'ldd' thinks it is not.
19:47<Gregor_>its on an fat32 partition!
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19:47<peterS>should still work, even on fat32
19:47<Gregor_>but that doesnt matter right?
19:49<peterS>can you reproduce your test but in /tmp instead of in /media/Gregors?
19:49<peterS>(i.e., not on fat32)
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19:51<Gregor_>im on it
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19:52<Gregor_>gregor@Gregors-ASUS-G74sx:~/Gregorsecondary/cpp$ ldd a.out
19:52<Gregor_> => (0x00007ffff8dff000)
19:52<Gregor_> => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ (0x00007fabc820f000)
19:52<Gregor_> => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ (0x00007fabc7f8d000)
19:52<Gregor_> => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ (0x00007fabc7d76000)
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19:52<Gregor_>if i type ldd a.out
19:52<Gregor_>and how can i run it?
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19:54<Gregor_>another way than draging it into the terminal?
19:54<Gregor_>c++ channel is overflow?
19:55<peterS>wtf indeed. after the first time you got kicked for flooding, apparently you decided to do it again.
19:55<Gregor_>what should i do?
19:55<peterS>the usual way to run a.out is just to type it: ./a.out
19:55<Gregor_>How should i post this?
19:56<peterS>you might be missing the ./ at the beginning, which means "in the current directory"
19:56<peterS>if you omit it and just say a.out, it would try to find "a.out" in your path
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19:58<Gregor_>but it still dont works on fat32 partition!
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19:59<peterS>Gregor_: if you need to use the fat32 media to store your C++ programs, if you can't figure out why you cannot execute programs from there, I suggest you tell the compiler to output the binary to somewhere else. like "-o /tmp/a.out"
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20:00<Gregor_>but i want to solve this!
20:01<Gregor_>UUID=FB67-1882 /media/Gregors vfat noauto,exec,rw,user,nosuid 0 2
20:01<Gregor_>This is the line from my fstab!
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20:02<retrospectacus>what's the line from "mount"
20:02<Gregor_>oh i dont know?
20:02<Gregor_>wher can i find it
20:02<Gregor_>I only click it in nautilus!
20:02<retrospectacus>run "mount"
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20:04<Gregor_>/dev/sdb1 on /media/Gregors type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,uid=1000,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro,user=gregor)
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20:05<Gregor_>and how to change that?
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20:07<peterS>if there's a line in /etc/fstab about this, just edit that line. but if the media was mounted automatically using some other software ... I don kno
20:07<peterS>know if it can be easily changed
20:07<Gregor_>I have debian
20:08<Gregor_>With the preinstalled filebrowser Nautilus!
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20:08<Gregor_>I only click on the drive and it gets mounted!
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20:08<Gregor_>but i found a file called /etc/mtab
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20:11<peterS>well, /etc/mtab just records the state of the system. it doesn't _control_ the state of the system
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20:13<Gregor_>how sad
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20:14<peterS>so, I don't use nautilus and I'm not sure what it ends up using as a backend to mount your removable media. udisks, maybe? and I don't know how to configure udisks. If I did I would disable certain features of it in my own production environment where I need it but it also gets in the way.
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20:15<retrospectacus>I don't have any vfat or nautilus, but googling "nautilus mount vfat exec" shows a few possible solutions
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20:16<Gregor_>But i CAN run programms from this Partition!
20:16<retrospectacus>Gregor_: you said you can't. Why do you think you can now
20:17<Gregor_>I dont know why!
20:17<Gregor_>With the terminal i cant!
20:17<Gregor_>very strange!
20:17<retrospectacus>I mean, what did you do, that causes you to believe "i CAN run programms from this Partition"
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20:18<Gregor_>If i run them with nautilus file browser !
20:18<Gregor_>mount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /media/Gregors busy
20:18<Gregor_>mount: according to mtab, /dev/sdb1 is already mounted on /media/Gregors
20:18<Gregor_>and what does that mean?
20:19<retrospectacus>exactly what it says
20:19<retrospectacus>Gregor_: what did you run with nautlus
20:19<Gregor_>I have the Drive twice!
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20:22<roshanavand>hey, right now I mistakenly remove all partition tables on my /dev/sda with cfdisk
20:22<roshanavand>anyone have any idea how to recover?
20:22<peterS>roshanavand: you can quit cfdisk without saving the partition table
20:23<roshanavand>peterS: I wrote chages
20:23<peterS>oh, then you'll probably need to run gpart
20:23<peterS>its job is to reconstruct a partition table by looking for filesystems on the disk
20:24<roshanavand>Debian is still running, I'm afraid if I shutdown the pc, it wont boot
20:24<roshanavand>peterS: thanks
20:25<peterS>oddly, from the package description at least, gpart does not claim to support GPT. that would be more useful than 3/4 of the bullet points it _does_ claim to support....
20:26<rjsalts>peterS: it does support GPT
20:26<rjsalts>or maybe I'm thinking of parted
20:26<peterS>ah so the package description could use an update?
20:26<peterS>parted certainly supports gpt
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20:29<roshanavand>gpart and parted are two different things!
20:29<peterS>also the gpart package description could use some other help. If you wonder whether or not it supports xfs, it will not tell you, unless you know what "Silicon Graphics' journalling filesystem for Linux" is.
20:29<peterS>also the scare quotes in 'MS-DOS FAT12/16/32 "filesystems"' are not really needed (:
20:31<Hydroxide>you mean not really "needed"
20:31*Hydroxide runs
20:31<Hydroxide>(yes, I agree)
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20:33<Gregor_>Ok its right!
20:34<Gregor_>Im not able to run executables from my fat32!
20:34<retrospectacus>Gregor_: we all totally already knew that
20:35<retrospectacus>Gregor, in the end it's a bad idea coz all vfat is "rwxrwxrwx" so it would be terrible security to allow it to be mounted exec. Just put it on a real filesystem
20:35<Gregor_>but said i would be able !
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20:35<retrospectacus>no, it is mounted noexec as it should be
20:35<Gregor_>rwx is what?
20:36<retrospectacus>linux permissions
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20:37<Gregor_>what about ntfs?
20:37<peterS>retrospectacus: eh, you don't need to mount vfat with rwxrwxrwx permissions. you can choose any bitmask you like. you just can't specify users or permissions per file. But if you mount with mode rwxr-xr-x and your own username....
20:37<ethan>hey guys i have sort of a minor problem regarding Java
20:37<retrospectacus>hmm I guess, but it is still all or nothing
20:38<peterS>retrospectacus: just saying, vfat has limitations but it is not _inherently_ unsafe for the 'exec' flag
20:38<ethan>Java apps works great and everything, I've installed "IcedTea7" through Synaptic but the only problem is that when I'm in certain chat rooms and I turn on the "bold font" option, the font doesn't become bold.
20:38<ethan>does anyone know why that is?
20:38<ethan>yet it works in Linux Mint
20:38<Gregor_>I just want a partition to access from windows and linux!
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20:39<peterS>I've often wondered if UDF isn't the best cross-platform read-write filesystem after all. It seems like an odd choice, perhaps, but it isn't NTFS and it doesn't have FAT's per-file and per-partition size limits....
20:40<peterS>(but I haven't actually tested linux's read-write udf support, maybe it isn't that great)
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20:40<peterS>there's also exFAT but that's locked behind some patent crap
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20:44<Gregor_>and what is sync and async?
20:44<chealer>ethan: uh... which software are you talking about? how is this related to Java?
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20:45<ethan>it's a depression chat room site
20:45<Gregor_>you can write it as flag to /etc/fstab
20:45<ethan>i'm gonna download some other things from synaptic
20:45<ethan>and tinker around
20:45<Gregor_>for partitions!
20:46<Gregor_>has nothing to do with java!
20:46<retrospectacus>Gregor_: man mount
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20:47<Gregor_>man mount?
20:47<Gregor_>means what?
20:47<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, man is a little guy that knows everything about Linux... just do "man commandname" and he will teach you all about commandname. You can search for the appropriate man page with "apropos term". Enable <tab completion> in your shell to fill in the man page names. Man pages are available online too, ask me about <dmp>. See also <docs> <grounding>.
20:48<peterS>it means you should look up the manual page named 'mount', which explains various mount options including 'sync'
20:48<chealer>ethan: but which software do you use to access that chat room? is it a Java applet or what?
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20:49<ethan>i believe so
20:49<ethan>let me get back to you briefly
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20:50<ethan>i apologize for my..noobness
20:50<ethan>apparently it says it's flash
20:50<ethan>but i could have sworn it's java
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20:50<ethan>this is it
20:50<ethan>oh okay i guess it is flash
20:50<ethan>i'm dumb
20:52<Infiltrator>I'd get depressed if I had to use flash...
20:52<ethan>lol yeah
20:52<ethan>i discovered i can't view youtube videos in firefox anymore on fullscreen
20:53<ethan>i don't know too much about it but i heard like..adobe isn't really supporting linux anymore?
20:53<ethan>effective last year
20:53<retrospectacus>there is a Java login for this site too
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20:53<retrospectacus>link at the bottom
20:53<ethan>yeah i know
20:53<ethan>i mean it works fine
20:53<ethan>i can talk to people
20:53<ethan>but i just can't see the bold text
20:53<ethan>maybe i just need a later version of flash or something
20:54<ethan>i'm no good with manually installing tar files yet
20:54<retrospectacus>also this is probably just a web frontend for an IRC channel
20:54<ethan>well like i said, in linux mint i CAN see the bold font
20:54<ethan>but that's an..ubuntu based
20:54<chealer>ethan: which Flash player do you use?
20:55<retrospectacus>try "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" as root
20:55<ethan>the default one on debians page
20:56<ethan>i have done that
20:56<ethan>i might just have to mess with the universal settings
20:56<ethan>or the general settings
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20:57<chealer>ethan: hum, I'm not sure how Adobe Flash can be considered Debian's default Flash player. but anyway, which browser do you use?
20:57<ethan>well no i meant like that's the package under their nonfree repos i guess
20:57<ethan>i use chrome
20:58<ethan>i used to use chromium
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20:59<chealer>that's a misleading page name.
20:59<chealer>ethan: which Adobe Flash Player version do you use?
20:59<ethan>i have no idea if that Wiki page is directly developed or maintained by the Debian programmers itself
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20:59<ethan>it just says 3.2
20:59<ethan>well hang on
20:59<ethan>let me try to inspect here
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21:00<ethan>where would one determine which version of adobe he uses?
21:00<chealer>ethan: flashplugin-nonfree is an installer, not a Flash player per se. you'Re not using Flash player 3.2
21:00<ethan>yeah i thought that was probably the case
21:00<retrospectacus>just right-click the flash part of that page and it will say "about Adobe flash 11.something" in the little menu
21:00<ethan>is there some terminal command i could run that would show me which one?
21:01<ethan>oh alright one sec
21:01<retrospectacus>you can also browse to chrome://plugins/
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21:02<retrospectacus>newer than mine
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21:02<ethan>so you're telling me that...i don't need adobe flash player to use the web?
21:02<ethan>i'm new to this free alternative software thing
21:03<ethan>i'm not a computer guy in any sense
21:03<ethan>of the word
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21:03<retrospectacus>well... you need it to use this particular page
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21:03<retrospectacus>but you can also use java, as we found, which is sort of better
21:03<ethan>well there's this thing called "Gnash"
21:03<ethan>what's that?
21:03<ethan>sorry to ask all these questions
21:04<dpkg>Gnash is the GNU <Flash> movie player, developed from GPLFlash and part of the GNU project. The project aims to create a free software player and browser plugin. The browser plugins are packaged for Debian as browser-plugin-gnash (for Iceweasel/Firefox) and konqueror-plugin-gnash. #gnash on
21:04<ethan>oh wait nvm
21:04<ethan>i just read it
21:04<retrospectacus>it's a not-so-good free alternative
21:04<ethan>yeah like i said
21:04<ethan>i'll just tinker around
21:04<ethan>that's usually my solution
21:04<ethan>it works 90% of the time
21:04<retrospectacus>it could also be something the site administrator did
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21:05<ethan>could someone link me with a tutorial on how to install a tar.gz file
21:05<ethan>that'll be my last request
21:06<retrospectacus>generally you don't
21:06<retrospectacus>install things using "apt-get install"
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21:10<Infiltrator>Also, check backports.
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21:22<locsmif>Hi all. This site: compares operating systems. It lists "dpkg-reconfigure" as "administrative gui" for Debian. That sounds wrong. What would be a proper correction, if any?
21:23<abrotman>that'd be correct
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23:40<lukas_>how do i upgrade debian squeezy to wheezy
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23:41<SamB>you can't ... there is no squeezy!
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23:42*SamB can't remember the trigger for that ...
23:42<lukas_>i meant squeeze
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23:44<lukas_>why'd you put an exclamation mark in front
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23:45<SamB>was hoping the bot named "dpkg" would give a helpful recipe ...
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23:47<lukas_>can someone provide a link to a tutorial to upgrade squeeze to wheezy
23:49<rudi_s>!tell lukas_ about squeeze->wheezy
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23:49<rudi_s>Hm, weird.
23:49<rudi_s>The tell seems to work.
23:49<DNS>lukas_: update your sources.list in /etc/apt to wheezy
23:50<DNS>and then do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
23:50<DNS>should be enuff i think:)
23:51<rudi_s>Except that you should read the release notes first and dpkg --audit and ...
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23:56<lukas_>never mind i got it
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