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---Logopened Fri Nov 01 00:00:04 2013
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00:16<Apathy_yuyu>音量(9999)残響(999999 0.01 1000)速度(1)g)もーしもしテスピアノ
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00:35<Karin>? what is this
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01:08<automatik>thumb drive is stuck in read only mode. i tried fdisk and other software tools to format the drive but nothing works. any suggestions?
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01:22<James_T>automatik: got a windows machine?
01:23<James_T>you'll need to erase it to fix it though
01:23<James_T>at least i think you do...
01:23<automatik><- is listening
01:23<James_T>*format it
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01:24<automatik>i tried the conventional format but this read only mode prevents me from doing so
01:27<James_T>you're the second person this week :P
01:28<James_T>automatik: maybe try running chkdsk on it under windows
01:29<automatik>tried that too
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01:29<automatik>keeps telling me the drive is in read only mode
01:29<automatik>it's a really well built brick wall
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01:31<James_T>automatik: well, i found someone who had a 'usb stick' which was actually a card reader with a microsd soldered onto it >.>
01:32<automatik>yeah i saw that on a youtube video , unfortunately i need something a little less intensive
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01:34<James_T>can't think of the thing i found
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01:36<James_T>automatik: no idea if this will help
01:36<Infintie22>hey trying to setup a cronjob to run drop_caches every hour but im doing something wrong ive added it via crontab -e, the line is 0 * * * * sudo sh -c "sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches"
01:37<James_T>you got a sudo nopasswd for that command?
01:37<Infintie22>can type the command into ssh shell and runs fine
01:38<James_T>should be able to do it without the sh -c line i think
01:39<Infintie22>sudo sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
01:39<Infintie22>gives me permission denied heh
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01:39<James_T>yeah, you need sudo on the echo... actually
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01:40<James_T>sudo echo 3 | tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches >/dev/null
01:40<Infintie22>tee: /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches: Permission denied
01:41<Infintie22>so problem with sudo access?
01:41<Infintie22>i have "infinite ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL" without the quotes in my /etc/sudoers file
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01:41<James_T>echo 3 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches >/dev/null
01:42<James_T>sudo was in the wrong place
01:42<Infintie22>ah yup that works :p
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01:43<James_T>yeah, the > creates a subshell as your user
01:43<Infintie22>oh ok
01:43<Infintie22>if i do run-parts -v /etc/cron.hourly/ it should run it then?
01:44<James_T>should be
01:44<James_T>sudo sh -c "sync; echo 3 | tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches >/dev/null" <-- might work?
01:44<James_T>either that or split it out
01:45<James_T>sudo sync; echo 3 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches >/dev/null
01:45<James_T>could even make a script to be called from your cron
01:45<Infintie22>is there anyway to run a job quicker?
01:46<Infintie22>its for a minecraft server everytime in runs the zip command to create a backup it swallows upto 3gigs of ram and dont clear it after its done
01:46<Infintie22>so each backup uses more and more ram and eventuley crashes the server from 100% full ram
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02:37<sandeepparitala1>Problem relating to alsa
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02:39<sandeepparitala1>An error message coming at startup i.e alsa is not active cannot start timidity++ alsa midi emulation
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02:49<jalalsfs>Is "Mate Desktop" environment available for Jessie?
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02:51<mongrol>don't think so
02:51<mongrol>I'd be surprised if there wasn't a way to install it though
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03:02<pabs>how do I delete suites in reprepro?
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03:06<sandeepparitala>What shall i do for the error alsa not active cannot start timidity++ alsa midi emulation
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04:55<matteo>Hi, I installed Debian wheezy on HP Proliant Microserver gen8. After booting it I see some errors but it seems working properly... Does anybody know these issues?
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04:58<matteo>They say Ubuntu server 12.04.02 is certified for HP Proliant Microserver Gen8: I should be able to install Debian as well, shouldn't I?
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05:03<musca>matteo: newer hardware will be supported by the newer kernel from wheezy-backports
05:04<musca>!bdo kernel
05:04<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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05:05<matteo>musca: do I have to change kernel?
05:06<matteo>!bdo wheezy-backports
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05:06<musca>no, you don't need to change if you are satisfied by kernel 3.2.0-4 from wheezy
05:07<matteo>musca: sorry I'm a web programmer and I'm able to configure linux following tutorials
05:08<matteo>basically it seems on boot it's reporting a BIOS BMC error and a APEI error
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05:09<musca>ok, we can work on that error message. please show the output of dmesg on
05:10<ixi>matteo does it finish the boot or is it stuck ?
05:10<matteo>ixi: it boots regularly
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05:11<matteo>just errors at the beginning
05:11*ixi applies "if it works don't fix it" rule
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05:11<Elvano>I have debian wheezy installed on my laptop. When it is idle for a while it seems to log itself off. Is this some setting I can adjust?
05:11<ixi>Elvano define 'log itself off'
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05:12<Elvano>Well, when I return to the screen it is back at the login screen, and naturally every application running has been shut down
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05:15<Elvano>Apperently the disks that I have mounted remain mounted though, ixi
05:16<ixi>well, the fact that it lock itselv via some screensaver mechanism is not surprising
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05:16<ixi>but the fact that applications are shut down is werid
05:16<Elvano>And locking doesn't take me back to the login
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05:16<ixi>Elvano are you 100% sure that applications really get shut down ?
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05:17<Elvano>Well, no.
05:17<Elvano>I'll try ps next time <.<
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05:18<Elvano>But if my irc client wasn't shut down, I wouldn't be able to use this user right now =x
05:18<bhuddah>and there's something like bash TMOUT, if i remember correctly.
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05:25<Elvano>Does sound a logic cause, bhuddah. But the TMOUT variable shas no value. Still I shall try unsetting it
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05:26<bhuddah>Elvano: it was just a random idea when i heard idle log off
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05:27<matteo>musca: well, I've just installed it (only system utilities and ssh). I don't know how to transfer the dmesg dump file
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05:29<Elvano>It's a great idea as it does exactly what my system does, bhuddah. I have disabled it again anyway. It has no rush so I will wait untill/if it occurs again and check if the processes are still running in the background or not.
05:30<Elvano>Thanks for the help bhuddah, ixi
05:30<bhuddah>Elvano: good luck.
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05:32<jnn>How to installed the adobe flash player on UBUNTU?
05:33<Elvano>You better ask onthe Ubuntu channel jnn
05:34<Elvano>, jnn
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05:35<jnn>Thank you very much!
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06:03<matteo>I pasted my dmesg for a Debian 7.2 installed on HP Proliant Microserver Gen8
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06:24<musca>matteo: you talked about errors, but there are only informational messages.
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06:31<linuxator>matteo, i think Error: Driver 'pcspkr' is already registered, aborting... can be fixed if you add on blacklist /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf blacklist snd-pcsp
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06:33<matteo>musca: that is what I see in the first rows of the screen during the boot
06:33<matteo>linuxator: thanks
06:33<matteo>musca: thanks
06:34<linuxator>matteo, give it a test and let us know your welcome
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06:46<matteo>linuxator: that file doesn't exist, is it normal?
06:47<matteo>should I just add "blacklist [space/tab] snd-pcsp"?
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06:53<Felicitu1>i'm running debian testing, and whenever I attempt to install enigmail, it removes icedove and vice versa. is this an issue on my local machine or is testing broken in that regard?
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06:54<babilen>Felicitu1: Join us in #debian-next and read "/msg dpkg bat" :)
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06:55<Felicitu1>babilen: will do
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06:56<linuxator>matteo, can you do ls /etc/modprobe.d/ and give output
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07:02<James_T>hmm, bash doesn't use /etc/profile.d
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07:05<linuxator>matteo, echo "blacklist pcspkr" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf modprobe -r pcspkr , i think
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07:07<linuxator>(you probably have it as /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist )
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07:08<matteo>linuxator: -r not valid
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07:13<ngong__>Problem with aptitude, am I right here to ask? In preview aptitude shows ~100 packages to be deleted (incl. kde-runtime) because of unsatisfied dependencies. It does not do so, if I use it from the commandline "aptitude full-upgrade". What can I do to make the convenient interactive usage to behave similar?
07:14<James_T>herp derp /etc/profile, why you no work
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07:15<ngong__>James_T: that answer to me? Too short for me to be understood, sorry.
07:15<James_T>hah not to you
07:15<James_T>ngong__: aptitude can act up, tried apt-get?
07:16<James_T>(apt-get is reccomended for upgrades now)
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07:16<ngong__>I used to use apt-get, switched to aptitude because I was told it is more reliable and can do more in case of problems.
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07:17<linuxator>matteo, are you as root? (#) ( -r --remove from manual)
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07:17<James_T>ngong__: if you mean not having to remember the fifty million apt- commands
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07:21<ngong__>James_T: with apt-get dist-upgrade, you got to read the 150 lines (that dropped of the screen) very carefully, try to understand the cryptic messages, in order not to kill your system. That task is much easier in interactive aptitude.
07:21<James_T>oh, using aptitude in interactive mode?
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07:21<babilen>ngong__: Both tools are needed and I personally use apt-* for everyday tasks and aptitude only if I want to try a different resolver or need any of its superpowers (search terms, interactive resolver, ..) -- I also like playing with different resolvers for apt-get.
07:23<James_T>apt-cache search package
07:23<James_T>why not bundle all the apt-* commands into a single binary
07:23<James_T>apt search blah
07:23<ngong__>babilen: I experienced that using apt-get and aptitude alternatively hinders aptitude to maintain their history about automatic and manually installed packages.
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07:26<snogglethorpe>ngong__: how so? I haven't noticed any such issues for many years...
07:27<babilen>ngong__: That problem has been solved ages ago
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07:28<ngong__>snogglethorpe: if you install using apt-get and it draws dependent packages, if you delete that package using aptitude, the dependent packages may not be deleted even if not used elsewhere.
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07:29<ngong__>babilen: ok, did not notice. Good to know.
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07:32<babilen>ngong__: Read the changelog for apt ( - added support for aptitude like auto-install tracking (a HUGE HUGE thanks to Daniel Burrows who made this possible)
07:32<babilen>ngong__: Ah, that is just implementing the same functionality back in 2006 .. not the actual patch for both to use libapt in the background.
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07:47<jannuhat>anyone else come across a bug on sid which prevents user from opening a text shell session?
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07:47<jannuhat>X works fine, but both xterm and textmode just die
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07:48<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (
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08:11<matteo>linuxator: I'm root, I used this echo "blacklist brcmsmac" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
08:11<matteo>it wrote the line in the file
08:12<linuxator>matteo, yeap that's an alternative does it work?
08:12<matteo>there was a misunderstanding
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08:13<linuxator>matteo, ... about?
08:13<matteo>modprobe -r pcspkr is another command
08:13<matteo>I tried now
08:14<matteo>I was putting alltogether
08:14<matteo>I haven't rebooted th pc yet
08:14<matteo>I'll let you know
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08:22<linuxator>matteo, sure
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08:30<matteo>linuxator: is it better 1) echo "blacklist pcspkr" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf or 2) modprobe -r pcspkr?
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08:31<linuxator>second smoking inside brb matteo
08:32<matteo>linuxator: I didn't understand
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08:43<linuxator>matteo, you can do 1) and delete the old file or you can do direct 2) i think.
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08:44<dmbaturin>Hi! How is flavor selected when building the kernel package?
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08:54<SynrG>dmbaturin: a) what instructions? there are multiple ways. b) why are you building a kernel package anyway?
08:55<dmbaturin>SynrG: I want to understand the debian kernel package.
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08:56<dmbaturin>The repo has a number of flavors (686, 686-pae, amd64 etc.). I want to find out how are they built (and how I could create a new flavor for a special-purpose appliance).
08:57<valdyn>"flavour" is something you just invented? bad idea
08:57<SynrG>!kernel handbook
08:57<dpkg>The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook ( - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source.
08:59<SynrG>valdyn: yes. huh? a flavour to handle a special-purpose appliance sounds like exactly the sort of thing someone developing a derivative might want to do.
08:59<SynrG>if it has special needs not met by the standard flavours provided in the distro ...
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08:59<valdyn>SynrG: im only complaining about the technical term "flavour", nothing else
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09:00<SynrG>"Building binary packages for a single kernel flavour with debug info enabled (currently true for the 686-pae, amd64, rt-686-pae, rt-amd64 and s390x ..."
09:00<SynrG>seems like a perfectly legit technical term to me.
09:01<dmbaturin>Even the handbook SynrG just linked uses that term. ;)
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09:03<dmbaturin>Anywa, thanks, looking into it.
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09:10<killer>hey , The buttons to adjust brightness is not working , I installed xfce in debian bareinstall image
09:11<nocturnal>I'm having problems dumping and restoring single partitions with dd. say I have sdb1 ending at 122879 and sdb2 1832960 blocks long. I create an image with dd if=/dev/sdb of=sdb2.img skip=122879 bs=512. and try to restore it with dd if=sdb2.img of=/dev/sdb seek=122879 bs=512 but the restoring never restores a readable partition. the filesystem is always clobbered beyond mounting. so what am I missing?
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09:12<dmbaturin>nocturnal: Why don't you just do dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=sdb1.img ?
09:12<nocturnal>dmbaturin: I don't need sdb1
09:12<valdyn>nocturnal: the same pattern applies to sdb2 obviously
09:13<dmbaturin>sdb2 then. Partitions look like separate files, if you still have your partition table intact you don't even need to specify where it starts.
09:13<nocturnal>oh yes, sorry. I think I tried that but I got some error, right now it's writing to the SD card sdb so I'll try again soon
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09:14<nocturnal>using the partition directly was my first choice obviously, but for some reason I abandoned it and started with seek and skip
09:15<SynrG>the "restoring" step is moot if you can't take the sdb2.img and loop-mount it
09:15<SynrG>can you?
09:15<SynrG>and if you can't, obviously your skip is wrong
09:16<SynrG>off-by-one error, wrong block-size, any number of problems ...
09:16<nocturnal>nope, it says I have to specify FS type and usually when it says that it means it can't detect the FS type
09:16<nocturnal>so possibly my sdb2 backup is wrong
09:16<dmbaturin>Well, if it's not in fstab you always have to specify FS type.
09:16<nocturnal>sudo mount -o rw,loop sdb2.img /mnt is what I used
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09:17<SynrG>dmbaturin: you shouldn't need to, no
09:17<killer>how can i adjust brightness in debian xfce (wheezy)
09:17<nocturnal>yeah I've been able to loop mount without FS type
09:17<nocturnal>iso files, but I'll focus on making a proper sd2 img first, that is mountable
09:17<nocturnal>and then try re-writing it
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09:19<stdhell>nocturnal: Maybe you could put your partition table (fdisk -l) on
09:20<nocturnal>yes if I get stuck again but you've already helped me by mentioning loop mount. that's a good way of verifying my dumps
09:20<nocturnal>which I didn't think of
09:20<stdhell>Just because sdb1 ends at 122879 doesn't mean sdb2 starts right after that.
09:20<nocturnal>in this case it does
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09:21<stdhell>Then you should skip 122880 blocks, not 122879.'
09:21<nocturnal>same with seek?
09:22<stdhell>Yes... Unless you want to move the partition...
09:22<nocturnal>I interpreted the man as meaning that it would skip that many blocks before starting to read. so if it skips 122879 blocks then it would start reading at 122880
09:22<stdhell>If you just dump the first block of the partition, "file" should be able to tell you, if you got the skip right.
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09:22<stdhell>The first block is #0.
09:22<stdhell>You're off-by-one.
09:23<nocturnal>that would explain everything
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09:23<stdhell>But try count=1 and file...
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09:23<stdhell>Much faster than making a complete dump and loop-mount...
09:23<nocturnal>yes ok, I didn't try file but I had a feeling it could read the magic of partitions too
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09:23<nocturnal>thanks for confirming
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09:25*stdhell moved and resized a live partition yesterday... I don't recommend doing that. :-)
09:25<stdhell>But if it's a virtual machine and the real root doesn't want to mess with it...
09:25<nocturnal>using dd? surely gparted, or fdisk/resize2fs would be better?
09:27<stdhell>A mix of all of the above. Changed from a ext4 partition to lvm with multiple xfs filesystems at the same time.
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09:29<SynrG>kilian_: usually that's not the WM's job
09:29<SynrG>kilian_: sorry. tab-completion fail
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09:45<nocturnal>well it seems to be working fine to read and write directly to sdb2, I don't know why I started messing with skip and seek
09:45<nocturnal>file(1) sayd the dump was ext4
09:45<nocturnal>and now I'm writing it back
09:45<nocturnal>restoring it
09:50<weasel>.oO( a Daedric Prince! )
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10:07<bea>why does xdpyinfo always return 96x96, regardless of the actual screen resolution?
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10:12<stdhell>bea: As far as I know, it gets that number from your monitor. If it's wrong, your monitor is lying.
10:12<stdhell>I'm looking at you, Philips! :-(
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10:18<valdyn>bea: its only autodetected till something else sets the value
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10:33<killer>heey , whenever i try to access any partition on my wheezy pc, it says "failed to mount 98 Gb FileSystem" not authorized to do so
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10:38<alumno>eeeee pechake
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10:47<Maulkin>killer: What's the exact error message you get?
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10:52<bea>valdyn: i suspected kde did that, but i tried in openbox and it's the same.
10:53<bea>stdhell: is that common? the monitor is definitely not 96 dpi
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10:53<bea>can a nvidia graphics chip be the culprit for a wrong dpi setting? using nouveau default drivers though
10:54<stdhell>bea: I had to fix it for my TV.
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10:56<stdhell>bea: Something like this:
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10:57<stdhell>The size is the width and height in mm.
10:57<killer>any idea
10:58<bea>stdhell: eww, is that from an xorg.conf? ;-)
10:58<stdhell>It's more or less a copy of my /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/philips-tv-displaysize.conf
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10:58<bea>stdhell: my problem is i'm setting up a system for several machines with different monitors, so i wanted it to work automatically. if i have to do it manually, i'll just do it in the DE
10:59<bea>or change the actual fonts size, that way i can at least avoid awkward font proportions
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10:59<stdhell>If your monitors are lying (it seems so, like mine is), you'll have a really hard time making it work automatically.
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11:00<bea>stdhell: yeah, it's just i'm not yet convinced. i have one samsung and one dell, and i get 96 on both, and they both aren't
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11:01<bea>stdhell: does the graphics chip have anything to do with it? unfortunately it's nvidia.
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11:03<stdhell>bea: As far as I know, it's part of the EDID protocol.
11:05<stdhell>bea: Maybe the read-edid package can help you, but I doubt it, if your monitors are wrong.
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11:06<bea>stdhell: thanks, i'll try it, and if it fails, i'll just do it manually
11:06<stdhell>It wouldn't really surprise me, if someone was saving a little bit of money by reusing the same chips for everything. :-(
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11:08<bea>stdhell: well, get-edid gets me a lot of NVIDIA and FAIL and INVALID and a few broken characters. that's that then
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11:22<bea>stdhell: anyway, thanks for helping me track the issue down
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11:51<caliban6>Anyone out there with experience installing Debian solo boot on an iMac? I am getting the black screen of death on load up ... almost got it.
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12:13<linuxator>caliban6, i'm not iMac user but i think you have to configure your X manually check for further help reask.
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12:21<petn-randall>Does anyone have a recommendation for a laser colour printer that works well with Debian? Bonus points for: non-bulky windows driver, duplex and USB/LAN
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12:28<dmbaturin>How do I specify flavour in 'debian/rules debian/contol'?
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12:28<dmbaturin>Neither 'export FLAVOUR=myflavour' nor 'debian/rules debian/control FLAVOUR=myflavour' helped.
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12:30<petn-randall>dmbaturin: What do zou mean with flavour_
12:32<dmbaturin>Kernel flavour.
12:35<petn-randall>Without a *bit* more information, I'm still not sure what you're trying to do. If in doubt, choose vanilla. ;)
12:37<petn-randall>dmbaturin: Are you trying to build your own kernel? If so, a kernel from Debian? From upstream? Linux? kFreeBSD?
12:37<dmbaturin>GNU/Hurd, of course.
12:38<dmbaturin>To run in on S/390.
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12:38<dmbaturin>Sorry, I'm already too angry at the one who created that Frankenstein monster.
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12:39<petn-randall>Hello cs112168, you've reached the Debian stable support channel. How may we help you?
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12:42<KalWadin>can someone help me?
12:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
12:43<petn-randall>KalWadin: Sure, see the info above.
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12:45<KalWadin>im currently running a debian server (with minecraft on it - so java) and for some reason i got the error that java couldn't create a virtual machine - i googled it, and changed the allocated ram. now i get an error saying thet it's unable to allocate bitmaps for parallel garbadge... and i have no idea what that means.
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12:49<petn-randall>KalWadin: Could you paste the full error message to
12:49<retrospectacus>KalWadin: please read again the example above; fill in the blanks. Use to show us full commands and errors.
12:51<dmbaturin>Where is the origin from the kernel package? Is it under revision control somewhere?
12:53<petn-randall>dmbaturin: You still haven't answered all my questions.
12:53<KalWadin>im sorry, im currently sending it to
12:54<KalWadin> thats what happens when i'm starting it with 8GB available ram
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12:55<dmbaturin>petn-randall: Obviously I'm building linux.
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12:55<retrospectacus>KalWadin: why don't you increase the "Xms" value too? Also how much ram do you actually have?
12:56<KalWadin>and thats when starting it with 4gb
12:56<petn-randall>KalWadin: Which release are you running? Is this a 32 or 64 bit installation?
12:56<KalWadin>how much ram: 20gb
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12:58<KalWadin>retrospectacus: should i increase it to 1 gb? or more?
12:58<retrospectacus>sure, why not
12:58<retrospectacus>dmbaturin: being rude won't get people to help you.
12:59<petn-randall>dmbaturin: Fix your attitude. You're not providing all the information needed for debugging I've asked for, and apparently you stating things that you mean ironically, for us to guess which it is.
12:59<dmbaturin>I didn't mean to offend anyone. I just think there are reasonable defaults.
13:00<petn-randall>dmbaturin: We wouldn't ask if the answers are obvious to us.
13:00<retrospectacus>you think when someone comes in here asking about debian/control it "defaults" to mean they're building Linux? ridiculous
13:00<retrospectacus>we still don't know what you're trying to do or what the issue iw
13:01<KalWadin>retrospectacus: i'm sorry, i'm still getting the error that it couldn't create the VM
13:01<retrospectacus>KalWadin: I've had this issue too with tomcat. Just play around with the values until it works. Also is this a Virtual Machine?
13:02<retrospectacus>it seems like the VM is crippled and you can't actually use more than 2 or 3 GB
13:03<KalWadin>no, it's not.. i guess (please excuse) it's a root server, if that helps
13:03<retrospectacus>KalWadin: what is the second line of output of "free -m"
13:04<KalWadin>the weird thing is, it run with 4gb for a month now without any errors
13:04<retrospectacus>KalWadin: then what happened (what did you change?)
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13:05<KalWadin>retrospectacus: Mem: 20480 4348 16131 0 0 292
13:06<dmbaturin>retrospectacus: I just mean the vast majority of debian users use it with linux kernel, and it sounds weird to not to use it as default.
13:07<dmbaturin>Just like (apparently) no one would think I'm using SunStudio or IntelC and not GNU toolchain to build it unless I said I do.
13:09<blast007>dmbaturin: I'd think the vast majority of debian users don't compile their own kernel either.
13:09<retrospectacus>ooook then, ...carry on I guess. just don't get pissed off or sarcastic when people want clarification. Read the !ask thing above and fill in the blanks, and use the paste site.
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13:10<retrospectacus>KalWadin: looks fine.
13:10<petn-randall>dmbaturin: There is no point in discussing this. There are plenty of people who use Hurd or kFreeBSD. If you still want to discuss defaults (I doubt anyone want to), you should head over to #debian-offtopic.
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13:11<petn-randall>KalWadin: It could be that your shared memory maximum isn't high enough. Check if there is a file in /etc/sysctl.d/ relating to java.
13:11<petn-randall>KalWadin: The setting you're looking for is kernel.shmmax.
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13:12<petn-randall>KalWadin: I've seen that problem with elasticsearch, which is also Java. Increasing the value to something like 4 GB fixed the problem.
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13:13<KalWadin>petn-randall: do you mean the min or max value?
13:14<petn-randall>KalWadin: The value is the maximum of shared memory an application can allocate, in bytes.
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13:14<KalWadin>the current value is 4g
13:15<petn-randall>KalWadin: Set it to 8GB and see if starting java works.
13:15<KalWadin>petn-randall: no, there is nothing named kernel.shmmax
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13:15<KalWadin>tried that already,
13:16<dmbaturin>petn-randall: In linux kernel package, debian/control is generated by debian/rules target which calls The question is: how to set the flavor when generating control?
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13:18<P4C0>Hello, is it possible to get values out of debconf database? I'm installing a package that ask for parameters on a host and I'll like to know what values are for the same package in another host where it was installed before...
13:19<murb>P4C0: debconf-get-selections
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13:19<murb>in debconf-utils
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13:20<P4C0>thanks murb
13:20<caliban6>Does anyone have any familiarity with installing Debian solo-boot on an iMac?
13:20<dpkg>iMac is a range of Macintosh desktop computers produced by Apple Inc. Intel and PowerPC (G3, G4, G5) models are supported by the Debian operating system, ask me about <install debian>. See also <amd64>, <powerpc>.
13:21<caliban6>I get the black screen of death while it is booting, I think it is right before it starts to load GNOME
13:21<linuxator>caliban6, did you check the link i paste? looks you need to configure X.
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13:22<caliban6>I don't see your link
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13:22<linuxator>caliban6, linuxator> caliban6, i'm not iMac user but i think you have to configure your X manually check for further help reask
13:23<ibuntu>anyone play minecraft?
13:23<KalWadin>i currantly have a minecraft releated problem
13:24<linuxator>caliban6, you can probably make your client highlight when your nick is announced that helps a lot.
13:24<blast007>KalWadin: kernel.shmmax is not a Java setting. It is controlled via sysctl and is a kernel parameter. Did you set that setting to 8589934592 and then try starting Java?
13:24<blast007>(or even setting it to 4GB as was mentioned if you haven't tried that already)
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13:25<retrospectacus>caliban6: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
13:25<caliban6>k ... checking
13:25<retrospectacus>ibuntu: do you have a Debian question
13:25<KalWadin>blast007: i'm sorry, i dont really know what you mean - i usually not working with debian...
13:26<KalWadin>blast007: *i usually don't work with debian or linux in general
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13:27<blast007>KalWadin: what does this command show? sysctl kernel.shmmax
13:28<killer>hey , After upgrading the kernel to 3.10 bpo , my mouse randomly disappears , like sometimes hovering over a link or scrolling in a gnome app
13:29<KalWadin>blast007: 33554432
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13:31<blast007>KalWadin: okay, so it's set to the default of 32MB. Try increasing that to 1GB with the following command, and then try to launch your Java instance again: sysctl -w kernel.shmmax=1073741824
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13:34<KalWadin>blast007: the same error
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13:41<blast007>KalWadin: can you pastebin the output of 'java -version' ?
13:43<KalWadin>once again the same error - Error occurred during initialization of VM
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13:55<KalWadin>blast007: do you have an idea what might be the problem?
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15:45<cramsey>Hi Guys. Got a Raid question. I'm not using Debian but OMV. I posted on their forums last night but no response. I believe the raid is the same on Debian/OMV and I was hoping you could give me some advice>?
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15:47<petn-randall>cramsey: Nope, we only support Debian here, sorry
15:48<petn-randall>!based on
15:48<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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15:51<cramsey>OMV is Hopeless
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15:52<cramsey>Debian based NAS. Might aswell gone BSD atleast FreeNAS has a community
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15:52<cramsey>Now I'm sat here with my thumb up my ass and 4TB of data missing
15:52<petn-randall>cramsey: You can always go Debian and get excellent support here :)
15:52<cramsey>Well THIS laptop is Debian
15:53<cramsey>but the NAS, which is based entirely on Lenny isn't Debain.
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15:53<petn-randall>cramsey: You can always try #linux, which gives general, not platform-specific support.
15:53<cramsey>Will do
15:53<murb>cramsey: this laptop is debian, but it can connect to things that aren't...
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15:53<cramsey>I don't get your point Murb
15:54<murb>cramsey: do you have a raid problem with your laptop?
15:55<petn-randall>cramsey: As I said, based on Debian is not the same as Debian. We cannot and will want to find out what they did differently. It's besides the point to mention that Lenny has been EOL for quite a while, and also isn't supported anymore.
15:55<cramsey>I understand what your saying but the software raid between Debian and OMV is identicle. Aside from the fact its based on Lenny
15:56<cramsey>So If I'd come in here and said it was debian you wouldn't of been able to tell the difference
15:57<cramsey>But fuck honesty right :)
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15:58<petn-randall>cramsey: We have this discussion all the time and we're sick of it. Drop it. It's not the same, believe it or not.
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16:27<prasad>how to install marathi font in debian wheezy
16:27<SamB>Okay, why does CUPS tell me this when I try to add a printer:
16:27<SamB>Add Printer Deskjet_3050_J610_series Error
16:27<SamB>Unable to get list of printer drivers:
16:27<SamB> Success
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16:28<SamB>oops, sorry
16:28<retrospectacus>the old success error eh
16:29<SamB>(oh, so I don't need to also pastebin this I guess.)
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16:30<DusXMT>Hello, (yet) noob programmer here. I'd like to know how to control/get information about the console in C. For example, I'd like to be able to disable echoing for my program when I'm putting in a password. Where can I read up on this topic? Sorry if this is a noobish question, I've just started programming not too long ago, and I still don't know my way around.
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16:31<prasad>how to install font in debian wheezy
16:31<retrospectacus>!install font
16:31<dpkg>To install <fonts> for just one user, copy them into ~/.fonts/ and then run fc-cache -fv (or ask me about <install font kde>, <install font gnome>). To install system-wide, copy them into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts or into /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts (but you will have to add /usr/local/share/fonts/ to your xorg.conf) and run fc-cache -fv as root.
16:32<alrs>DusXMT: ncurses is a helpful library for programming a UI in C.
16:32<DusXMT>alrs: Thanks, I'll look into it
16:33<retrospectacus>DusXMT: google "c program echo off"
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16:34<SamB>if anyone has any clues for getting more information out of CUPS, please highlight me ...
16:35<SamB>I suppose there's probably some config-file setting that can make it log more stuff, because I can't even figure out what log entries are relevant to that action and none seem interesting
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16:36<prasad>and one more is there any way to install gnome 3.10 in debian wheezy stable
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16:37<retrospectacus>prasad: no
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16:40<DusXMT>retrospectacus: Thanks a ton, helped me, I just didn't know what to search for.
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16:41<retrospectacus>glad to help sir
16:41<prasad>i search on net ,there is something called jhbuild..i am aware of that ...because i new to linux..and what would be the guess of ariving of gnome 3.10 to wheezy??
16:42<retrospectacus>prasad: no. There is no chance
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16:49<Celelibi>Hi there.
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16:51<Celelibi>I see I submited some bug report several years ago that are are still not resolved.
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16:51<Celelibi>Is there any way I could fix these myself without being the maintainer of these packages?
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16:53<dpkg>Non Maintainer Upload (NMU): when a Debian Developer who is not the package maintainer uploads an update of said package. . See also <binnmu>.
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16:53<retrospectacus>Celelibi: you can also just submit a patch to the bug
16:53<retrospectacus>in a reply
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16:55<Celelibi>Well... (checking my bugs)
16:55<Celelibi>#339039 is just a matter of fixing the package description.
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16:56<Celelibi>I don't use this package anymore (neither does the former maintainer).
16:56<Celelibi>But this bug would be easy to close.
16:56<Celelibi>fix & close.
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16:59*SamB tries basically resetting the CUPS settings ...
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17:01<Celelibi>retrospectacus: bug well, when I'm going to look into the source and produce a patch I prefer to take the upstream source and push send a patch directly.
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17:17<SamB>hrmm, starting from the default cupsd.conf, I'm having trouble even getting access from the machine I was trying to configure it from ...
17:17*SamB is glad he made a backup first ...
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17:45<Siendo>hay algun debate en algun canal
17:45<Siendo>sobre la nsa ?
17:45<Siendo>aqui se puede hablar de eso ?
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17:47<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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17:57<Celelibi>So... Myself as a non-maintainer, non-debian-developer, can I ask a developer to upload a package?
17:58<seeS>you mean for them to sponor it?
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17:59<seeS>sponsor sorry
17:59<seeS>ask dpkg about it
18:00<seeS>i forget the command to get him to do it
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18:01<mgv>dpkg: tell Celelibi about mentors
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18:01<mgv>Celelibi: you can, the sponsorship process is described on
18:01<mgv>ask in #debian-mentors for further help
18:01<linuxator>dkpg: give me a beer
18:02<linuxator>dpkg: give me a beer
18:02*dpkg hands linuxator a cold beer
18:02<Celelibi>Actually I don't really want to become a maintainer not a debian developer.
18:02<mgv>Celelibi: you don't need to
18:02<Celelibi>I'd just want some of the bugs I reported to get resolved.
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18:03<mgv>to upload a package you just need to get a DD to upload it for you
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18:03<mgv>if the package is maintained for somebody, you still have to get them to fix the bugs. Submitting patches to the BTS might help
18:03<william>Any thoughts on the cleanliness of an upgrade from a clean Debian 6 bare server installation to Debian 7? My use is as a Xen domU template. I created the Debian 6 template and it is just the bare with ssh.
18:03<mgv>maintained by somebody*
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18:04<mgv>if the package is orphaned, then you can fix them yourself and get your package uploaded by a DD
18:04<william>I can easily enough start from scratch with Debian 7, though.
18:04<mgv>Celelibi: this process is called sponsoring and is described at
18:04<Celelibi>And what if the maintainer is just unresponsive for some packages bugs?
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18:07<mgv>Celelibi: if it's only unresponsive for some bugs, then you can ask him to make you a comaintainer, or just to upload the package for you
18:07<mgv>email him and hope he will respond
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18:12<Celelibi>What does it mean when the maintainer is "Debian QA Group"?
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18:12<mgv>Celelibi: it means the package is orphaned
18:12<mgv>i.e. it's not maintained by anybody
18:13<mgv>in which case you can fix the bug yourself and get some DD to upload it
18:13<mgv>or even adopt the package
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18:15<Celelibi>Since for the package ht there are some non-trivial code modifications to do, I think it would be better for me to deal with the upstream developer and then, maybe provide a new debian package.
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18:16<Celelibi>But well, one thing at time. I first have a bug to fix in syslinux.
18:16<mgv>also, the ht package was just adopted by somebody yesterday
18:17<Celelibi>When was it orphaned?
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18:18<mgv>I see it was orphaned on 30 Oct 2013 and adopted on 1 Nov 2013
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18:39<mrpl>The XScreenSaver daemon doesn't seem to be running on display ":0.0' Launch it now ?
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18:40<mrpl>How to disable above ?
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19:07<hellchi>hey quick question. During installation debian is asking for disk with the file brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw except I have no idea how to get that file
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19:09<hellchi>I was trying to avoid having to install from that
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19:09<hellchi>but if thats the only way, I guess I can try that too. Thank you
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19:10<daemonkeeper>Not the only, you could also provide the needed files form a USB pen drive or so.
19:10<daemonkeeper>But why bother, just use firmware umages.
19:10<hellchi>I tried that via a different usb disk but it won't take it
19:10<daemonkeeper>See. Only troublesome.
19:11<daemonkeeper>Use firmware images and don't worry about it ever again.
19:11<hellchi>I guess. Kinda wanted to learn it ya know
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19:11<daemonkeeper>It's stupid firmware is removed from the installer by default anyway. YMMV.
19:11<hellchi>but yeah, you're right. It might ask for other firmwares during installation and i will have to go through it again
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19:12<hellchi>umm, anothe rnewbie question. how customizeable is gnome?
19:12<Dannermax>Hello debians! I have a question. I just installed GUFW version: 9.10.2. But it seems that the version is too old, because im doing a tutorial, where gufw has more options than my version has. But i have Debian squeeze and a newer version of gufw is weezy repository..hmmm so what are my options? Thanks in advance!
19:12<daemonkeeper>Not so much I hear.
19:12<daemonkeeper>I don't use it though.
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19:13<hellchi>I was using kde on fedora however the damn widgets cann't be installed directly and they're a pain in the ass
19:13<hellchi>you use kde?
19:13<daemonkeeper>Gnome is a lot less configurable than KDE, generally speaking.
19:13<hellchi>I was using gnome on fedora but from what I'm reading gnome 3.0 or whatever is seriously shit
19:14<devil>true dat
19:14<hellchi>but idk if its fedora or kde but I'm seeing some bugs on kde
19:14<hellchi>like the widgets can't be installed directly etc
19:14<mtn>just to even things out: gnome3 is excellent
19:14<devil>no software is bug free. what do you see in what version of kde?
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19:15<devil>mtn: thxx for that :)
19:15<Dannermax>Here is a screenshot: there should also be a second button for denying outgoing traffic.. :(
19:15<mtn>devil: :)
19:15<hellchi>mtn: I'm sure it was mostly because I'm such a noob with this
19:16<hellchi>it just didn't felt very flexible
19:16<mtn>hellchi: gnome-tweak-tool and gnome extensions help a lot with that
19:17<mrpl>How do I solve this...? The XScreenSaver daemon doesn't seem to be running on display ":0.0' Launch it now ?
19:18<mrpl>I tried uninstalling gnome-screensaver but it wasn't installed
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19:19<hellchi>cool, I do wanna try gnome more out because I don't think I've worked with it enough.
19:19<hellchi>I shall give gnome another try
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19:20<mrpl>anyone ?
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19:22<mrpl>I get this annoying dialogue everytime I open xscreensaver... The XScreenSaver daemon doesn't seem to be running on display ":0.0' Launch it now ?
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19:24<mrpl>I have to manually start xscreensaver everytime I want to use it, which kind of defeats the purpose,...imho
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19:29<Dannermax>Hello debians! I have a question. I just installed GUFW version: 9.10.2. But it seems that the version is too old, because im doing a tutorial, where gufw has more options than my version has. But i have Debian squeeze and a newer version of gufw is weezy repository..hmmm so what are my options? Thanks in advance!
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19:32<retrospectacus>,v gufw
19:32<judd>Package: gufw on i386 -- squeeze: 9.10.2-1; jessie: 12.10.0-1; sid: 12.10.0-1; wheezy: 12.10.0-1
19:32<mc68040>Dannermax: upgrading to wheezy? squeeze is "oldstable" anyway
19:33<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Dannermax about squeeze->wheezy
19:35<Dannermax>Thanks. But i have Openmediavault installed and that is squeeze. I really like it, but i just need to get another version of gufw installed on my system.
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19:38<retrospectacus>,checkbackport gufw --torelease squeeze
19:38<judd>Backporting package gufw in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze.
19:38<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Dannermax about ssb
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19:39<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Dannermax about omv
19:39<Dannermax>I also looked at this site: where there are instructions how to install the newest version of GUFW on squeeze..v. 13. but it didnt really work.. dosent make sense, when there ISNT a newer gufw package for squeeze...hmmm what do you guys think about this?
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19:41<mc68040>Dannermax: as far as i see Openmediafault isnt Debian... is only derived from debian...
19:41<Dannermax>Thanks for the info from dpkg.. but i dont really understand it..
19:41<barkofink>hi nvidia-detect tell me i can install the glx package but i can't find them for gtx460 in synaptic
19:41<Dannermax>It isnt?
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19:43<dpkg>OpenMediaVault is a NAS operating system with a web-based control panel. It is <based on Debian> but not supported in #debian. Support can be found at and #openmediavault on
19:43<retrospectacus>!tell barkofink about nvidia
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19:44<Dannermax>alright.. i get it :) I just wanted to ask in here, because at the omv forum it takes a ling time to get an answer..
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19:44<barkofink>retrospectrarus: what??
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19:50<retrospectacus>barkofink: yes?
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19:51<devil>Dannermax: as you can see, they have a irc channel on freenode
19:52<barkofink>retrospectarus:don't understand what you told me.can't find gtx460 in glx driver
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19:54<retrospectacus>barkofink: the robot sent you a private message with some links
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19:56<seeS>i thought the gt460 was a pretty bog-standard sort of card
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19:57<retrospectacus>it is.
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20:04<Dannermax>devil: ahh.. i must have missed that! :)
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20:05<devil>Dannermax: [00:43:11] <dpkg> OpenMediaVault is a NAS operating system with a web-based control panel. It is <based on Debian> but not supported in #debian. Support can be found at and #openmediavault on
20:05<Dannermax>gotcha :)
20:05<medeman>I have a problem, midnight commander freezes the ssh session while transferring via ftp...Using Debian 7 and connecting with Mac OS X built-in ssh client (putty on windows = same result)
20:07<valdyn>medeman: why do you think that midnight commander is the component doing the freezing?
20:07<retrospectacus>medeman: ftp or ssh, which is it
20:07<medeman>valdyn: it happens when transferring over ftp using midnight commander, it didn't happen anywhere else yet
20:07<valdyn>i guess he is using ftp from mc within an ssh session
20:08<medeman>yeah valdyn
20:08<retrospectacus>nm, I see
20:08<medeman>it transfers 250mb/1100mb and then freezes i.e. im getting no response
20:08<valdyn>medeman: probably your ftp transfer is stuck
20:09<medeman>but then why would the whole ssh session freeze?
20:09<retrospectacus>maybe your hd filled up
20:09<valdyn>medeman: i dont think your ssh is frozen per se
20:10<valdyn>would ssh even get stuck when the disk is full?
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20:10<medeman>valdyn: hmm, what do you think is the problem then?
20:10<medeman>retrospectactus: it has plenty of space left...
20:11<valdyn>in my experience the only thing breaking ssh is a broken router / firewall
20:11<valdyn>question is though why it stuck always at exactly 250mb, makes no sense to me yet
20:11<medeman>but then why does it only happen when transferring via mc over ftp?
20:12<valdyn>medeman: many home routers can easily be made to break by transfering specific stuff over the network
20:13<Guest4104>Hello everyone ! I've just installed weezy and been quite happy with it, except for the fact that I have to use my onboard gpu rather than the one on the AGP 8x slot ... because if I do use it, I immediately get either white and black frozen lines or big coloured pixels on me monitor !!! Any ideas ??
20:13<valdyn>medeman: but that does not fit to being stuck at 250mb
20:13<medeman>but the only thing i do from my home is connect vvia ssh
20:13<valdyn>medeman: maybe your disk is really broken
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20:14<devil>Guest4104: what gpus are involved?
20:14<medeman>valdyn: i can download, say, a debian iso with 4gb using wget without a problem
20:14<valdyn>medeman: copy that file, see if that too breaks at 250mb
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20:15<Guest4104>hmm ... both geforce fx 5200 and Ati Radeon 9800SE ( 350 series i think )
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20:15<devil>you have nvidia onboard and amd as discrete card?
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20:16<medeman>valdyn: alright, im downloading a debian cd image now...623mb
20:16<Guest4104>I have intel graphics as onboard and Ati Radeon 9800SE discrete ... but I had to remove it from the AGP slot !
20:17<devil>oh, i get it
20:17<devil>Guest4104: do you want to disable the intel card or use both?
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20:18<Guest4104>I would like to use the most powerful one ... that I think to be the Ati one
20:18<medeman>valdyn: im over 350mb already, nothing happened, no disconnect, still updating perfectly
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20:19<Guest4104>devil : VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2572] (rev 02)
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20:20<medeman>valdyn: alright, it downloaded completely without a freeze
20:21<devil>Guest4104: you could see if you can turn of the intel card in your BIOS or switch between the two using fglrx
20:21<Guest4104>devil: I was able to use the discrete card for a while, but then it started giving those lines and when rebooted that was the final end !
20:22<Guest4104>devil: Ok will try that Thanks !!
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20:24<Guest4104>devil: If I disable the intel card in my BIOS it will prevent me from having any kind of image right ?
20:25<devil>Guest4104: should not, if you have radeon installed
20:25<devil>and that comes as default
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20:27<Guest4104>got it
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20:52<medeman>valdyn: still there?
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20:59<JayJax>hello someone that can help me over here?
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21:01<JayJax>can no one help me?
21:01<JayJax>web based stuff?
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21:02<JayJax>no one?
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21:07<william>JayJax: you just have to ask the question. People don't answer generic questions of whether someone can help.
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21:18<administrator>why am I not able to type into the Terminal window ?
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21:19<william>administrator: which program? Have you tried an alternative?
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22:24<sarge1221>I just reinstalled debian wheezy distro. Could someone walk me through some general setup issues? I need to first resetup sudo usage because I get sarge1221 is not in the sudoers file when i try anything sudo.
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22:26<seeS>just add him to the group
22:26<redshadowhero>sarge1221: I think the best way is to add yourself to the sudo group.
22:27<redshadowhero>This should do you: useradd -G sudo sarge1221
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22:28<sarge1221>redshadowhero: I got useradd: command not found
22:29<redshadowhero>d'oh. I mean usermod. Sec.
22:29<redshadowhero>usermod -a -G sudo sarge1221
22:30<sarge1221>redshadowhero: I got bash: usermod: command not found
22:30<redshadowhero>Are you doing this as root, or sarge1221?
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22:30<sarge1221>redshadowhero: I just booted the system and have no idea how sudo works outside of a ubuntu style sudo setup.
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22:31<redshadowhero>When you installed the system, it prompted you to enter a root password.
22:31<redshadowhero>use 'su -' to become root, and enter the root password.
22:33<sarge1221>redshadowhero: oh ok i see.
22:33<redshadowhero>No problem. Always happy to help!
22:33<redshadowhero>Though, if you want sudo, just become root and try the previous commands.
22:35<sarge1221>redshadowhero: what is this all about? "Media change: please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.0.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20130504-14:44' in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter"
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22:36<redshadowhero>Do me a favor and edit /etc/apt/sources.list for me. Do you see a weird entry referencing a CD or DVD that's not commented? If so, comment it out with #.
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22:42<redshadowhero>sarge1221: Did that work out for you?
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22:43<sarge1221>redshadowhero: i can't seem to edit the file due to failures with sudo structure. :(
22:43<redshadowhero>What editor are you trying to use?
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22:43<redshadowhero>gedit, for example?
22:43<redshadowhero>or nano?
22:44<sarge1221>redshadowhero: I tried first doing it by sudo and got a weird error. I tried doing su and using gedit sources.list aftering cding into /etc/apt/
22:44<sarge1221>redshadowhero: i got "(gedit:7487): EggSMClient-WARNING **: Failed to connect to the session manager: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported"
22:44<redshadowhero>What was the weird error with sudo?
22:46<sarge1221>redshadowhero: (gksudo:7935): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_str_has_prefix: assertion `str != NULL' failed
22:46<sarge1221>redshadowhero: tried gksudo nautilus
22:46<redshadowhero>why don't you try this: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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22:47<redshadowhero>nano is a pretty friendly text editor for people starting out with them :) Ctrl+o saves the file (It'll ask you if you want to save, just follow the prompts), and ctrl+x eXits.
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22:50<sarge1221>redshadowhero: I keep getting "sarge1221 is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." despite doing the add commands with su running from before.
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22:51<redshadowhero>Oh, right. You need to log out and back in before the group updates. When you update the groups, it'll only show up for you when you next create a session.
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22:51<sarge1221>redshadowhero: Should I be worried if i ran the command more than once for add user?
22:51<redshadowhero>In the meantime, use su - to become root, and just try 'nano /etc/apt/sources.list'
22:52<redshadowhero>well, how about this. Tell me the output of this command: grep sarge1221 /etc/group
22:52<sarge1221>grep sarge1221/etc/group
22:53<sarge1221>redshadowhero: I think it froze.
22:54<redshadowhero>did you put a space after sarge1221?
22:54<sarge1221>red oh no i didn't
22:54<redshadowhero>if not, use ctrl+c, and then try it again :)
22:54<sarge1221>redshadowhero: i got> cdrom:x:24:sarge1221 floppy:x:25:sarge1221 sudo:x:27:sarge1221 audio:x:29:pulse,sarge1221 dip:x:30:sarge1221 video:x:44:sarge1221 plugdev:x:46:sarge1221 scanner:x:105:saned,sarge1221 bluetooth:x:110:sarge1221 netdev:x:112:sarge1221 sarge1221:x:1000:
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22:55<redshadowhero>The part you want to pay attention to is the 'sudo:x:27:sarge122' part. It shows that you're only in the 'sudo' group once.
22:56<sarge1221>redshadowhero: i see. ok i'll try to edit that file now.
22:56<redshadowhero>Cool cool. Let me know how that works out for you.
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22:58<sarge1221>redshadowhero: ok i commented it out.
22:58<redshadowhero>Cool! Now try (as root): 'apt-get update'
22:59<redshadowhero>or whatever apt-get command you were going to try!
22:59<redshadowhero>I have to step away for my desk for a few minutes, but I'll be back.
22:59<sarge1221>redshadowhero: could you help me setup rkhunter and chkhunter? I want to tell it what the base components look like for the os before I try doing anything about sound drivers or graphics.
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23:19<redshadowhero>sarge1221: can't say I've ever installed those before; sorry.
23:20<sarge1221>redshadowhero: oh you haven't ever used them?
23:20<redshadowhero>I've used other tools, but I don't think they're something you can get a hold of.
23:21<sarge1221>redshadowhero: Guessing there professional grade for server security and what not?
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23:22<redshadowhero>You might try reading the docs for installation.
23:25<sarge1221>redshadowhero: what do you recommend for rootkit checking for the average user? After some very bad encounters I just prefer to be slightly paranoid about them anymore and would like to put at some effort into thawrting them if at all possible.
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23:29<seeS>debsums is usually a good start
23:29<sney>+1 debsums
23:31<sarge1221>seeS: what does it do? I'm installing it now.
23:31<seeS>debsums? it just finds changed binaries mainly
23:31<seeS>so you people dont report silly bugreports about their binaries doing odd things, for example
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23:33<sney>yeah. if someone manages to deploy a rootkit that doesn't change the checksum on one of your packaged binaries, they've been very sneaky
23:33<olasd>a smart rootkit would change the md5sums file though
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23:33<seeS>yes, but most are dumb
23:33<sarge1221>seeS: well in the common computer users defense it can sometiems be tough to distinguish a rootkit from a software issue when being a windows transfer. I still hardly know what to look for myself as far as rootkits go. Even watching ports I doubt i could begin to know what looks melicious and what doesn't.
23:34<seeS>oh i can show you what one looks like
23:34*seeS goes looking for the bug
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23:35<seeS>^^ it looks like that
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23:36<sarge1221>seeS: Thank you. Things like this are so valuable for education in security.
23:36<seeS>theres a hardening debian or securing debian thing somewhere
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23:37<seeS>also i do things like move my ssh port off 22 and use a different password for my imap login
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23:40<redshadowhero>I have a hardening guide, but it's only for RHEL systems and derivatives. seeS, if you have one for debian, I'd be glad to read it!
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23:42<seeS>ive not read that for a while
23:42<seeS>fail2ban for me seems to help an awful lot
23:44<sarge1221>seeS: I'm thinking that apparmor might be useful against rootkits correct? I know ziltch about how to use apparmor except that it allows you to set stipulations on programs concerning how they run and whatnot.
23:45<seeS>dont know much about that myself
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23:45<seeS>if it is process whitelisting then a)one of the best ways to protect a computer b)often a pain in the arse to setup and use
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23:49<redshadowhero>I use two-factor authentication with google_authenticator as a pam module.
23:52<SamB>hmm, I think cups might be timing out when trying to enumerate the available drivers ...
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