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---Logopened Sat Nov 02 00:00:05 2013
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00:09<sarge1221>seeS: I'm having trouble with my graphics card and someone on here recommended using a new amd beta driver. My graphics card is the ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics piece. Would you know by chance what he might of been recommending?
00:10<seeS>not sure if they mean the fglrx one or the one direct from the amd site
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00:11<sarge1221>seeS: he recommended it over going this route>
00:11<sarge1221>seeS: my graphics card by default installation will fail to boot gnome standard desktop and always goes instead to gnome classic. :(
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00:12<seeS>im not sure then, the three options are that url, the fglrx or the nouveau one
00:13<sarge1221>seeS: could you give me the flgrx and nouveau links? I can remember what the web page looked like.
00:14<seeS>they shold be linked off that wiki page, fglrx are the closed source ones in debian nouveau is the bog-standard xorg one
00:14<seeS>im running nouveau here, it seems ok but i dont do much with it
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00:23<sarge1221>Just to confirm. There is no firewall setup by default for wheezy debian correct?
00:25<seeS>pretty sure there isnt
00:25<sarge1221>seeS: do you recommend using ufw?
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00:26<Osiris_X>sarge1221: not as such, but somethings are off by default like ip forwarding
00:27<sarge1221>Osiris_X: I was just trying to figure out if ufw was a good choice for a firewall program and if installing it might conflict with something else in debian.
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00:29<Osiris_X>sarge1221: I'm not specifically familiar with ufw, but depending on what you want to do, it might be easier just to whip a quick iptables script
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00:29<seeS>i use an iptables script
00:30<sarge1221>Osiris_X: I plan to use this laptop for general internet use and nothing entertainment wise if that helps sum it up.
00:30<Osiris_X>sarge1221: personally my router has a firewall, so I don't bother on my linux machines that sit behind it. I just use pgl to block access to and from specific ip addresses
00:31<Osiris_X>sarge1221: doesn't your router have a firewall?
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00:31<sarge1221>Osiris_X: it does. I just always set up a second one to make it that much more difficult I guess or at least that is what the guides have said that I have read.
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00:32<seeS>generally speaking most protocols will work ok
00:32<Osiris_X>sarge1221: well if you are deliberately putting holes in your router firewall to give remote access to your machines the router firewall will be enough (especially if you don;t have a static ip)
00:33<Osiris_X>sarge1221: that should say - if you are NOT putting holes in your router firewall
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00:35<Osiris_X>sarge1221: I also set-up mac address filtering on my router etc. (useful especially if it is wireless)
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00:35<Osiris_X>and icmp blocking from the internet
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00:37<Osiris_X>amdp: hi
00:37<amdp>anybody willing to help me in finding the right path to remotely install latest version of debian?
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00:37<nadir1>I heard and as far i am able agree to that: If someone has access to your router, then you got other problems than a second firewall. Serious ones, that is
00:38<nadir1>but i really don't know enough about such
00:38<amdp>Osiris hi to you : ) : )
00:38<Osiris_X>amdp: sorry I've never tried to install debian remotely
00:38<amdp>no problem man : )
00:39<amdp>do you think you can guess which files I should download?
00:39<seeS>what is on the computer at the moment?
00:39<Osiris_X>sarge1221: nadir1 is right - if your use case is not access to your machines via the internet, but someone with direct access to your router, then your focus must be on that
00:40<amdp>seeS: a centos, it is preinstalled by the dedicated server reseller
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00:41<Osiris_X>amdp: so in such case I could talk about installer images to download, but I have no idea how you retain remoted control over the machine during the installation process
00:42<nadir1>I only know there is docu about it, but nothing about the process itself:
00:42<nadir1>There is more docu, i seem to recall.
00:42<sarge1221>Osiris_X: we recently had to switch over to a new router so i'm confident to say it hasn't been compromised at least not yet. The old one yes very likely.
00:42<nadir1>Does remote mean in the next room or in the next country ?
00:43<Osiris_X>sarge1221: take standard precautions (I assume it is physically safe) - change username and passwords for the router from the defaults and make them secure
00:43<amdp>in the next 600 kms :D
00:43<Osiris_X>sarge1221: use WPA2 and mac filtering
00:44<Osiris_X>or better still turn off wifi if you can
00:44<amdp>should I get the netboot?
00:44<seeS>amdp: maybe a chroot?
00:44<sarge1221>Osiris_X: i think this is the recommendation he gave me for my graphics card issue.
00:44<sarge1221>Osiris_X: AMD Catalyst 12.6 Beta Driver for Linux® x86 and Linux x86_64
00:45<amdp>seeS: in any case I saw they're talking about "preseeding"
00:45<amdp>but I still don't know which distro to get
00:45<Osiris_X>sarge1221: this is a different topic that I know very little about as all my linux machines are laptops with integrated intel graphics
00:45<nadir1>amdp: ok, i can be of no use in that case (for me remote means the next room in the same LAN. Not really that remote)
00:46<sarge1221>Osiris_X: What should I do if installing this breaks my sound like the prior install did? The last time I installed something different it did fix my desktop graphics but completely broke my sound T_T
00:46<amdp>nadir1 how do you do that anyways?
00:46<nadir1>either via "rsync" and existing installation (i need a liveCD for that, a CD-drive) or via debootstrap
00:47<nadir1>again a live is needed. And if one has a CD-drive anyway, one can also do a default installation ... duh
00:47<nadir1>Well: ok, you could plug the hard-disk
00:47<Osiris_X>sarge1221: I can't imagine why one would affect the other - unless somehow it affected the loading of your sound modules
00:48<amdp>I see
00:49<sarge1221>Osiris_X: it was very strange. It would only list a dummyoutput and when i would run the test it would play the sounds yet it wouldn't play sound any other time except for the test.
00:49<amdp>this: ?
00:50<Osiris_X>sarge1221: what h/w was this - did it have hdmi output (which combines video and audio)
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00:50<amdp>damn.. it's 2003 :-(
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00:50<sarge1221>Osiris_X: what was the command again to bring up the sound card?
00:52<Osiris_X>sarge1221: if it is built as a module then I guess modprob snd
00:52<sarge1221>Osiris_X: bash: modprob: command not found
00:53<Osiris_X>sarge1221: hard for me to test at the moment because my kernels are custom built and my audio is not modular but integrated
00:53<Osiris_X>sarge1221: modprobe sorry
00:53<sarge1221>Osiris_X: I have no idea what that explanation means but thank you for your help anywyas. xD
00:53<Osiris_X>probably sudo modprobe (I believe it needs to run as root)
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00:53<Osiris_X>sarge1221: did it work?
00:54<sarge1221>Osiris_X: it worked but no return for input.
00:54<nadir1>why one would use sudo is beyond me
00:54<sarge1221>Osiris_X: audio currently works too since system sounds work but i'm fearful they won't work after i make this graphic change.
00:54<Osiris_X>sarge1221: run lsmod and tell me what modules are loaded starting with snd
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00:55<Osiris_X>nadir1: why?
00:55<nadir1>why not use su?
00:57<Osiris_X>nadir1: can I use su to run a single command as root without going into root shell?
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00:57<nadir1>su -c
00:57<nadir1>better check the manpage
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00:58<sarge1221>Osiris_X: snd_hda_codec_hdmi 30824 1 , snd_hda_codec_idt 53792 1 , snd_hda_intel 26259 3 , snd_pcm 68083 3 snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec_hdmi, snd_page_alloc 13003 2 snd_pcm,snd_hda_intel snd_seq 45126 0 snd_seq_device 13176 1 snd_seq snd_timer 22917 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd 52889 15 snd_timer,snd_seq_device,snd_seq,snd_pcm,snd_hw
00:58<nadir1>yup -c looks like it. But i see no big inconvinience to become root, do what is to be done, and exit root
00:58<Osiris_X>nadir1: then for me it is just habit, although I think with su I need to know root password
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00:58<nadir1>yes, if you do root stuff you need the root password.
00:58<Osiris_X>nadir1: whereas with sudo you set it up to give certain users certain access and they can use their own password to gain the access
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00:59<sarge1221>nadir1: I use sudo because I'm special. :P
00:59<nadir1>And if you give access to the user for root stuff with sudo, then there ain't a big difference
00:59<Osiris_X>nadir1: the password thing is important
00:59<nadir1>why that?
00:59<Osiris_X>nadir1: because if you give your user the root password you cannot control their access to root capabilities!
01:00<nadir1>if you use sudo the way it is supposed, then the user can only execute certain commands.
01:00<Osiris_X>nadir1: yes
01:00<nadir1>If you give him ALL ALL
01:00<nadir1>then it is pointless
01:00<Osiris_X>nadir1: of course
01:01<Osiris_X>sarge1221: do any of theses modules stop being loaded when you install the new graphics driver?
01:01<sarge1221>nadir1: but life is pointless by its very definition thus how should this be any different? :P
01:01<nadir1>oh, ... now we talk. :-)
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01:02<nadir1>(and yeah, in the end and to me, it really doesn't matter. Just a side note)
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01:02<sarge1221>Osiris_X: I haven't tried isntalling it yet but i'll go ahead and install. hopefully you can help me troubleshoot it after i get back asumming it does break. :(
01:02<Osiris_X>sarge1221: ok no problem happy to try
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01:05<sarge1221>Osiris_X: umm how do i install these type of files?
01:06<redshadowhero>sarge1221: you need to make the file executable with chmod u+x, then run it with ./commandname
01:07<sarge1221>redshadowhero: so do "chmod u+x"?
01:08<redshadowhero>Yep. It's probably going to install some stuff in some places, so you'll obviously need to do this as root.
01:08<redshadowhero>or with sudo.
01:08<sarge1221>redshadowhero: yeah i'm still in su since i haven'ted restarted yet to activate sudo.
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01:10<sarge1221>redshadowhero: i ran the first command and didn't get any sort of message, is that normal?
01:11<redshadowhero>In *nix, silence equals success :)
01:11<redshadowhero>well, usually.
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01:15<sarge1221>redshadowhero: in windows, if you don't see a giant red x or hear a disrubtive error notification... you've lived to see another day in windows. :P
01:15<redshadowhero>I don't think I've actually seen a windows machine in years.
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01:19<sarge1221>redshadowhero: ./commandname?
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01:20<redshadowhero>Well, I guess in this case, it's ./
01:20<sarge1221>redshadowhero: oh ok. was thinking maybe you meant ./configure. glad i double checked.
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01:22<sarge1221>redshadowhero: one or more tools required for installation cannot be found on the system...
01:22<sarge1221>redshadowhero: it says i could run it with -f but i'm guessign that would be a bad idea.
01:22<redshadowhero>Does it say what they are?
01:23<sarge1221>redshadowhero: one moment trying to fidn the log file
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01:26<sarge1221>redshadowhero: wow... really? it just says the samething the box said and has no explanation as to what it requires to install properly. xD
01:26<redshadowhero>any docs with the installer file that tells you what you might need?
01:27<sarge1221>redshadowhero: here is the site link and the zip only had the install file.
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01:28<redshadowhero> what site link?
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01:31<sarge1221>redshadowhero: had to go find it again sorry.
01:32<redshadowhero>gimme a sec to read the .run file.
01:32<sarge1221>redshadowhero: shows manuals for windows... but I don't see anything for linux ><'
01:35<sarge1221>redshadowhero: not sure if this would help but here is this too>
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01:49<amdp>thank you guys
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02:23<sarge1221>Can anyone help me get this file installed? The installation says I lack tools to properly install the driver. I need to fix this graphic problems since i'm stuck in gnome fallback mode until I do.
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02:30<sarge1221>Does no one know how to resolve this type of issue?
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02:36<sarge1221>This is a serious problem that has plaqued my linux exp since day one. Can someone please resolve this issue? I should at least be able to watch youtube videos, listen to music, and at least have a desktop environment that doesn't threaten to kill itself every five minutes.
02:38<vincent_c>sarge1221: apt-get install fglrx-driver (if you want the non-free drivers for your ATI graphics card)
02:39<seeS>if you are runniung unstable you are out of luck as the ABI changed again
02:41<sarge1221>vincent_c: I was recommended to install this file manually by someone here.
02:41<vincent_c>any specific reason why?
02:42<vincent_c>generally you should stick with packages in the repository unless you know what you're doing
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02:42<sarge1221>vincent_c: idk. I just know that debian hates ati radeon cards worth a passion and ubuntu midly hates them. ><'
02:42<seeS>ATI is great when it works and when it doesnt its a nightmare
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02:43<seeS>it because they make more work being a pain and having binary files
02:43<vincent_c>sarge1221: then don't install it manually, install from the repos instead
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02:43<sarge1221>vincent_c: right... installing from the repos landed me fixed graphics but absolutely no sound from the backports.
02:43<vincent_c>sarge1221: also see
02:43<seeS>no sound? you using sound through hdmi?
02:44<sarge1221>seeS: idk. Whatever this system manually setups from the beginning is what I use.
02:45<sarge1221>seeS: sound works fine on initial install but no desktop except gnome classic will run. after driver install the sound is completely gone and is listed as dummyoutput.
02:45<SamB>seeS: possibly he is accidentally doing that, and it doesn't actually work because his monitor actually doesn't have any speakers?
02:46<seeS>does the sound come from the monitor or does it have a separate cable to speakers?
02:46<seeS>samb: apparently it worked once, soo. it does somehow
02:46<sarge1221>seeS: I have no outside audio connections if your asking for speakers i'm using the onboard laptop speakers. also outside audio devices will never be detected either after the driver install.
02:47<seeS>interesting, fgrlx doesnt detect sound?
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02:48<sarge1221>seeS: yes exactly. I wanted to try the manual install to see if the audio problem might not happen this time.
02:48<seeS>well look at that, i never noticed that myself, my video and audio are on the same device, as far as lspci thinks
02:49<seeS>i think its working just not using the right default output
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03:35<automatik>my thumb drive is messed up, i try to format it with gparted but it tells me the drive is in read only mode. could someone help me
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03:37<SamB>automatik: how long have you had this drive?
03:37<SamB>and how much have you used it?
03:37<automatik>it's pretty recent, about 4-5 months
03:37<automatik>it was used a lot
03:38<automatik>made the mistake of reading from and writing to it at the same time
03:38<automatik>so about half the data in it is corrupted
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03:41<automatik>SamB: ?
03:43<SamB>well, 4-5 months *probably* wasn't enough to max out the write cycles on it, but I don't know ...
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04:10<Natureshadow>How do I properly close/remove an RFS for an NMU after the maintainer has at last incorporated my changes, rendering the NMU unnecessary?
04:10<Natureshadow>I have tagged it wontfix, but that won't suffice I think
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04:16<hellchi>how do I install gnome extensions on my fresh debian install?
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04:28<hellchi>anyone has any ideas why I'm unable to isntall gnome extensions directly from the website?
04:28<hellchi>I have gnome-extensions and gnome-tweak-tools installed
04:29<hellchi>they were installed by default on the system when I did a fresh debian install
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04:44<sarge1221>Having issues with mozilla plugin for ice weasel.
04:44<weasel>bad sarge1221.
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04:45<sarge1221>weasel: bad os... i only have to fix the whole damn os everytime I install it. :/
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04:45<weasel>sarge1221: it's called iceweasel, not ice weasel.
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04:45<weasel>also, then don't install it.
04:46<sarge1221>weasel: like i need to know. if it doesn't work out of the box expect me to come here because I don't know how to fix this chinese puzzle from hell.
04:48<hellchi>sarge1221: dude I'm having issues with this too but I don't think theres a need to bitch and whine
04:48<hellchi>if you're too frustrated, install another distro
04:49*hellchi shrugs
04:49<hellchi>you haven't even specified what plugin you're having troubles with or anything specific
04:49<sarge1221>hellchi: that fixes little
04:50<hellchi>what fixes little?
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04:50<sarge1221>hellchi: changing distros.
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04:50<hellchi>ok... then don't use a computer or use mac or windows I guess
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04:51<sarge1221>hellchi: i would die before i use a mac. Just no... I don't need to be a pompous idiot to know that os is the worst of the three by a long shot and would say at least linux has yet to corrupt a file to the point of being unusable despite being the pain in the ass that it is.
04:55<sarge1221>anyways, before i was rudely insulted, about:plugin lists> Shockwave Flash File: Version: 11,2,202,310 Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202 MIME Type Description Suffixes application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash swf application/futuresplash FutureSplash Player spl
04:56<sarge1221>apt-cache policy flashplayer-mozilla flashplayer-mozilla: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Version table:
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04:57<sarge1221>trying to install the package back results in Package flashplayer-mozilla is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package 'flashplayer-mozilla' has no installation candidate.
04:58<sarge1221>I have also already tried isntalling it manually from the site four times. Advice on how to fix this problem and make videos work would be much appreciated.
04:58<weasel>it was you doing the insulting, but meh.
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04:59<weasel>install flashplugin-nonfree
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04:59<sarge1221>weasel: I believe you were the one assuming I broke something that is already broken. :P also i just told you i did install it by web deb package and tried the terminal base.
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05:00<weasel>no, I was the one telling you not to highlight me over your iceweasel problems. which you considered beneath something you would ever have to care.
05:00<hellchi>anyone know why I'm unable to install extensions from gnome website? Everything is grayed out for me :(
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05:02<sarge1221>weasel: i would simply go install another browser honestly If I didn't think it would take a phd in computer science to get it working on this hateful thing.
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05:07<sarge1221>someone just post the simpliest method to getting flash working correctly in ice weasel and I'll be on my way and leave everyone alone.
05:07<weasel>you're doing it on purpose now, right?
05:07<sarge1221>weasel: pfft, I wish.
05:08<weasel>also, I already told you.
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05:09<sarge1221>weasel: my advice is how about you assume the worst case scenario and break down what you would have to do step by step to troubleshoot all other issues lending themselves to this issue?
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05:11<sarge1221>weasel: obviously the package manager is probably having issues again. Nothing new, it happens on every distro of linux I've tried. for one reason or another this package gets lost or breaks or this decides it isn't going to install correctly anymore etc etc
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05:12<weasel>you're just alluding and bitching. it's very hard to help you. I told you which package to install.
05:12<weasel>did you try it?
05:12<weasel>yes? did it not work? what was the error message?
05:12<sarge1221>weasel: i already told you several tims it doesn't have the package in the package manager >_>
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05:13<sarge1221>weasel: if only it were so simple as to command it to install it back after removing it to try to fix it since it was broken to start with.
05:13<weasel>you didn't
05:14<hellchi>anyone know why I'm unable to install extensions from gnome website? Everything is grayed out for me
05:15<weasel>hellchi: NO. and repeating it a fourth and fifth time won't help.
05:15<hellchi>was hoping for somebody else to read it. Waited decent time so it wasn't spamming
05:16<hellchi>sadly it seems right now only a handful of people are active and two of them are bickering :)
05:17<sarge1221>weasel: sarge1221@Touhou:~$ sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree [sudo] password for sarge1221: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done flashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version.
05:17<weasel>ok, that's new.
05:17<sarge1221>weasel: funny how i already knew it was installed.
05:18<weasel>sarge1221: stupid how you didn't say it.
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05:18<weasel>sudo /usr/sbin/update-flashplugin-nonfree --install?
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05:20<sarge1221>weasel: Came back with silence. assuming it is supposed to do that.
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05:20<weasel>if there's nothing to upgrade, yes.
05:21<weasel>that means /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree should have the current plugin.
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05:28<sarge1221>weasel: thank you. now i can finally go do college work and it is 5:30 am. I'm not asking for pity; only for understanding to why I am suffering from frustration.
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05:38<ekiwok>I two regula rusers account except root, one of them play sounds properly other does not, I dont have neither /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc
05:38<weasel>run "id $user1" and "id $user2" and compare the result
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05:43<ekiwok>weasel, seems like my another user wasnt in group audi
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05:44<ekiwok>weasel but it didnt solve the issue :( I restarted alsa, logged out and in and steel no sound
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06:27<Akronym>ekiwok, do you get an error when trying to play audio? If in doubt, install mplayer and try "mplayer /path/to/file.mp3" in a terminal, let it run for some seconds and then press "q" and paste its output to
06:30<Akronym>ekiwok, and if the first user is currently playing audio, a second user may not be able to play at the same time. No idea, never tried it, but check if you get "device busy" or something along that line when trying to play something (with mplayer)
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06:52<RaginHam>anyone around... want to flex your linux muscle?
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06:56<ekiwok>Akronym, It turned out I had to restart gdm3
06:56<leoslax>Hello RaginHam
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06:58<RaginHam>hey leos
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06:58<RaginHam>trying to lock my cd tray... very unfortunate button placement
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06:59<RaginHam>tried the "eject -o 1" trick... as well as "ctctl --lockdoor"
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06:59<RaginHam>neither are working
06:59<RaginHam>been at this a few hours
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06:59<RaginHam>hoping something it's blatantly obvious and a quick fix.
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07:03<leoslax>what happend with your cd RaginHam?
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07:06<RaginHam>just trying to lock the tray from a manual eject (i.e. locking it from being able to press the physical button)
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07:10<RaginHam>thanks musca.. I'm checking it out now.
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07:13<RaginHam>Thank you!!
07:13<RaginHam>so very much
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07:14<RaginHam>I had literally tried 100 diff tricks
07:14<RaginHam>finally, that one worked
07:14<RaginHam>so simple!
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07:14<musca>RaginHam: you did not use the right muscle, your google muscle needs to be flexed.
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07:15<RaginHam>i did use that one... a lot
07:16<RaginHam>but I was working within lib/udev
07:16<wht>hi, could somebody help me with and nvidia drivers? it's a really urgent case ;/
07:17<musca>RaginHam: hmmm, i just searched for "linux lock cdrom" it was the first result in the list.
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07:18<musca>wht: yes, many people use nvidia
07:18<wht>i've just upgraded all the packages and there was an update of nvidia drivers
07:19<wht>the problem is that i have gf6xxx and after reboot all i can see is a command line ;f
07:19<RaginHam>well, i tried so many different ways... none I came across suggested moving it to /etc/udev
07:19<musca>wht: which card(s) do you use: lscpi | grep -i vga
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07:20<wht>I am really a noob when it comes to linux and now i have no idea how to fix that mess ;/
07:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
07:20<musca>wht: geforce 6xxx and 7xxx are legacy cards now, latest driver supporting it is 304.108
07:21<wht>that is what i learned so far, i tried to delete the drivers using aptitude but it didn't help, perhaps i did it wrong
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07:22<musca>wht: are you using the stable distribution aka wheezy?
07:22<wht>i use testing
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07:23<SynrG>if by gf6xxx you mean geforce 6xxx, the legacy packages have changed.
07:24<SynrG>also, if you're a noob, i'm not sure why you're using testing ...
07:24<SynrG>also, see #debian-next for support for testing/unstable
07:24<SynrG>(we are there and ready to help)
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07:24<ekiwok>wht, have you installed driver via aptitude / apt-get or compiled manually?
07:24<musca>,v nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver
07:24<judd>Package: nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver on i386 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 304.108-4~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 304.108-4; sid/non-free: 304.108-4
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07:25<wht>as far as i remember i installed everything using aptitude
07:25<SynrG>then you just need the legacy driver musca indicated via judd
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07:26<ekiwok>wht, how does your source.list look like? have you added backports?
07:26<SynrG>ekiwok: backports not needed here. he is running testing
07:26<musca>ekiwok: he said "testing"
07:26<ekiwok>oh, sorry
07:26<SynrG>another reason we should really have this dicussion on #debian-next
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07:26<wht>i guess everything is ok with my sources.list as it was running perfectly for months
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07:27<SynrG>wht: aptitude install nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver
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07:27<wht>what should i put instead of xx?
07:28<SynrG>literally 'xx'
07:28<wht>k :)
07:28<wht>it was already installed
07:29<SynrG>wht: would you please join us on #debian-next where we can continue this session? thanks
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07:35<Akronym>ekiwok, oh, great... fail on gdms part then.
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08:14<cyan>hello all
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08:15<cyan>How to change console font?
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08:17<babilen>cyan: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
08:18<benvei>hey there. I've got a R522 ahadi with debian jessie. When i run the notebook on battery, the coolers are silent. When i plug the AC converter in, the cooler starts runnig. CPU is at the lowest clock (1,2GHz), and "/sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_dpm_state" is set to "battery"
08:18<benvei>any idea, how i can get it silent? Its really annoying, if you do office work.
08:18<ivanoov>hi :)
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08:32<rem>could anyone help me a bit with starting up bumblebee? it seems that the installation wasn't clear enough for me
08:33<rem>i've installed bumblebee, then proprietary drivers (for my nvidia model) but can't run anything with optirun
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08:39<rem>i have wheezy, and the nvidia card: GT216 [GeForce GT 325M] (rev a2) together with the Intel one (nvidia optimus)
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09:00<rem>anyone writes here at all? or is this a wrong place to look for some support?
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09:04<Marty>@rem: Always you can write a question and wait for answer :)
09:05<abrotman>he did
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09:05<rem>ok, i'm not very often here so idk the rules, sorry for pressing :)
09:05<bluewater> bumblebee is any member of the bee genus Bombus, in the family Apidae. There are over 250 known species,
09:06<rem>i have some issues after moving from ubuntu, on debian i have some new issues ...
09:07<linuxator>like ...
09:07<Marty>Sorry abrotman, maybe when i was reconnecting the question was written.
09:07<rem>i've followed the steps on and i don't have the bumblebee-nvidia package installed or even x server
09:08<Marty>rem, so what is your problem?
09:08<rem>it installed only bumblebee package
09:09<rem>i used the netinst image to install my wheezy system
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09:09<rem>maybe something's missing
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09:09<Sicelo>you're missing partition table, aiui
09:10<rem>very funny :P
09:10<Sicelo>sorry, this was for someone else
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09:13<rem>i think i need to reconfigure / re-install the X server
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09:23<Sicelo>redshadowhero: yoy have no xserver? so you run terminal-only?
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09:23<Sicelo>ugh... tab-fail
09:23<redshadowhero>You are correct that I don't.
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09:25<redshadowhero>Every machine I run on this machine has no X, except for one bsd DomU that I'm experimenting with to get VNC working.
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09:29<gideon>hey there
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09:31<gideon>so I wanted to ask:
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09:31<gideon>What kind of work exists for newbies to contribute to the linux kernel.
09:31<gideon>(I'm asking here because it seems like there isn't anyone over at #kernelnewbies)
09:32<gideon>I'm stilling studying kernels, minix and trying to write a very dumb kernel on my own
09:33<gideon>I read somewhere, mostly the linux kernel will be work on drivers, and work on the OS stuff like MM, Scheduler etc.
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09:33<gideon>I'm guessing drivers are written by folks from various hardware companies, so that is out.
09:34<gideon>So what kind of work needs to get done inside the kernel otherwise.
09:35<gideon>ah thanks valdyn I have seen the subsystems in this page :
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09:37<gideon>I'm just asking for view from anyone who does some work in the kernel: I'll rephrase, is there work for a random newbie OR is there scope for work only from people at hardware companies and places that want to use linux in special ways, like google guys I heard played a lot of power management in the kernel for android.
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09:42<petn-randall>gideon: You should start learning C if you want to start with Linux kernel programming.
09:43<gideon>petn-randall: I do know C, I'm not an expert, but I have used C for a fe thing
09:43<petn-randall>gideon: And there are lots of opportunities to write drivers for the kernel, there's never enough programmers.
09:43<gideon>few things, including writing native Win32 programs (unfortunately)
09:44<valdyn>i thought win32 was C++
09:44<gideon>petn-randall: I'm also learning assembly (including arm assembly) and writing my own dumb OS with asm and C on the side.
09:44<gideon>valdyn: well you can use C++, or microsoft's MFC but there are also plain C programs written out there that just call the Win32 API
09:45<gideon>petn-randall: here is what I don't fully understand, (and I apologise for the ignorance) how does one write a driver for some random hardware?
09:45<petn-randall>gideon: Motivation is the key part to learning it. Subscribe to the mailinglist and start from there. There's a list of easy things a newbie can contribute to somewhere, I just didn't find it again yet.
09:45<gideon>Oh I see, there is such a list.
09:45<gideon>If there is I shall find it :)
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09:46<petn-randall>gideon: Never did it, but you'll need the HW in the first place, and a spec of it. Otherwise you have to reverse-engineer the windows driver.
09:46<gideon>oh :o thats how people do it huh.
09:47<gideon>so, there are times then where the vendor will give out a specification sheet?
09:47<redshadowhero>And there are more times when the vendor will not :)
09:47<gideon>I see.
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09:48<gideon>another thing that baffles me here is, there are millions of hard ware devices out there.
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09:48<gideon>drivers for ALL of them get included into the kernel :o
09:48<valdyn>gideon: thats not the case
09:48<valdyn>gideon: most hardware devices are clones of another device where only the id is changed
09:49<gideon>hmm. I see.
09:50<valdyn>gideon: see for examples
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09:51<valdyn>gideon: theres some by vendor guys and some by random people
09:52<gideon>this is interesting, as far as programming is concerned I've been doing C since I was 13, I always wanted to and electronics engineer though. But I've barely scratched the surface when it comes to hardware. Most of it seem like dark waters to me still.
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09:52<profus2>how can this be fixed?
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09:53<profus2>sorry wrong channel
09:53<gideon>valdyn: aha, yea I see how the patches are just add ing IDs in a #define
09:53<gideon>ok, so is the work mostly drivers or is there work on OS elements itself?
09:54<gideon>I'm just speculating how this would require such vast amount of deep knowledge, like the KVM, I
09:54<valdyn>gideon: work is everywhere, but adding a pci id has to be amont the easiest possible contributions
09:54<gideon>hah. Yea I guess.
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09:56<valdyn>whats wrong with developers nowadays, i git has "fuck" in only one patch
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09:58<SOUL_OF_R00T>under wheezy have some software like bonbono-dvd for dvd authoring ?
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09:59<valdyn>!tell SOUL_OF_R00T -about search
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10:00<SOUL_OF_R00T>i am search with apt-cache but i don't have any idea abot the program name ?
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10:00<valdyn>SOUL_OF_R00T: "apt-cache search dvd author"
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10:01<SOUL_OF_R00T>ok thx
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11:13<hellchi>anyone know if I need to isntall something additional to auto-scroll via clicking my mouse wheel in kde?
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11:20<Erik>Respect to the Debian Developers !
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11:37<rem>anyone having trouble with installing bumblebee? the nvidia-optimus drivers?
11:37<MarkUIrfehga>rem are you there
11:37<rem>on new wheezy* ofc
11:37<MarkUIrfehga>my computer bluescreened
11:38<MarkUIrfehga>I am sending you my info again
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11:38<rem>i looked for some help on ubuntu servers, i got some help but still can't run it
11:38<MarkUIrfehga>I quered you the TV info ;)
11:39<rem>i must have missed that ...
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11:39<MarkUIrfehga>690 617 855
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11:41<musca>hellchi: clicking the mousewheel will by default paste your last clip
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11:42<rem>MarkUIrfehga> I quered you the TV info ;) - what does that mean? is it some app for real-time messaging?
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11:42<rem>like skype?
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11:45<Zeeps>hi. I made an ini.d script. root can run it fine. but when a user tries to run it I get an error message start-stop-daemon not found. any ideas?
11:46<dualbus>$ type start-stop-daemon
11:46<dualbus>start-stop-daemon is /sbin/start-stop-daemon
11:46<dualbus>Zeeps: make sure /sbin is in your user's PATH.
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11:47<JayJax>is there a way to disable the total security on debian?
11:47<JayJax>becaus i cant connect to some servers
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11:48<dualbus>JayJax: can you be more specific? connect through what means?
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11:49<JayJax>i want to use the deb for steam game servers
11:49<JayJax>most likely call of duty mw3 dedicated server
11:49<hellchi>musca: I know. I just want it to auto-scroll instead. Any way of doing that in kde? I googled but its not giving me decent info :(
11:50<JayJax>and it tries to connect to some steam content server but it wont
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11:51<JayJax>but i just want to disable the firewall becaus i have hardware firewall setup here
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11:52<sney>debian does not ship with a firewall enabled.
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11:53<dualbus>JayJax: so you have debian behind a NATing router? Have you forwarded the appropiate ports?
11:53<JayJax>then what should be the problem here on my centos6 with firewall disabled can download the content
11:54<JayJax>yeah ports on the router are correctly forwarded
11:54<musca>hellchi: i don't know if KDE can do this. You can try to map this fuction to your button in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
11:54<musca>hellchi: if this function even exists in linux
11:54<dualbus>JayJax: what's the specific server you're trying to connect to and on what port?
11:56<JayJax>idk what port but its the steam content server
11:56<JayJax>0:00 Connecting content server session for version 23
11:56<JayJax>Retrying in 30 seconds. . .
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11:57<Zeeps>what file should I edit to set PATH variables?
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11:57<hellchi>musca: I coulda sworn I was doing that on kde on my fedora machine before I reinstalled debian on it today
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12:01<dualbus>Zeeps: put that on your init.d script, at the very top.
12:02<JayJax>like the normal 8xxx ports and 25xxx and 27xxx ports are configured and well
12:02<JayJax>also the servers works on centos but it doesnt on debian
12:02<JayJax>its weird actualy
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12:29<SamB>retrospectacus: so, I think that "success" error I was getting from cups was because cups-driverd(8) was taking too long to list the available drivers ...
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13:40<nexur>Hi. I am using "rtcwake -m off"... It passes wrong shutdown parameters and I get error saying "-H and -P flags can only be used along with -h flag." There was a patch for it sometime in april ( I am using testing version. Unstable version is same. Where do I get update?
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13:44<Rogan>Can someone help me install mondo rescue correctly? I'm just having issues verfifying some files with the installation.
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13:47<hellchi>on a fresh installed debian, I am unable to play movies in either VLC or dragon player. Most movies don't play at all or are extremely delayed and the audio is coming very static too. But youtube etc vidz are playing fine
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13:47<hellchi>any idea where to start looking for the solution?
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13:49<Rogan>here is the output for when I try to install mondo rescue.
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13:54<Rogan>Can someone show me away to manually install a pubkey? I have the file on the desktop. mondorescue.pubkey
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13:56<nexur>is anyone even here to help?
13:57<Rogan>nexur: I don't think so :/
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13:57<Soniia>ola que ase
13:57<hellchi>seems very inactive here sadly :(
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13:58<abrotman>lots of people here
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14:04<terrible96>hi can i install google-chrome from the backports i using debian squeeze??
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14:07<abrotman>judd: versions chromium
14:07<judd>Package: chromium on i386 -- squeeze:; wheezy: 29.0.1547.57-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 30.0.1599.101-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 30.0.1599.101-1~deb7u1; jessie: 30.0.1599.101-1; sid: 30.0.1599.101-1
14:07<abrotman>seems not
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14:19<gokuney>anyone there ?
14:19<grimm26>I have several disks in my machine and I'd like the partioner in the installer to only touch one. Is there a way to tell it to only touch one disk?
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14:21<gokuney>hi grimm26, which distribution are u installing ...?? (I hope it's ubuntu :p )
14:21<dualbus>gokuney: ...
14:22<dualbus>grimm26: manual partitioning doesn't work?
14:22<grimm26>but I have a gentoo install on one disk and the 4 disks in RAID10.
14:22<grimm26>I'm i the manual partitioning and I set the new disk how I want it for debian, but I want to be sure it won't botch up existing disks
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14:23<grimm26>I'm assuming it is smart enough to only edit partition tables on disks that I changed while in that manual partitioning thing
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14:23<grimm26>I have an external disk on esata that I'm setting up with debian to be a xen dom0 and then will P2V the gentoo install
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14:25<gokuney>change partition table for only desired disk(of course) i label my disks and partitions them already before getting into boot /install process, you can use debian live disk to use it's partition manager, and post that you can install debian freely.PS: remember to label the disks properly so that you can identify them in boot sequence
14:25<grimm26>I did alredy partition tem before I started the debian installer :)
14:25<grimm26>it would be nice if the installer could just be pointed to a disk to use
14:26<gokuney>i don't think it will cause it sees you all connected disks (by default)
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14:27<grimm26>i may just power off, unplug all the disks I want left alone, then boot again. to be sure.
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14:28<gokuney>IDEA: unplug the undesired disks, install deb, replug them, create an entry in local inside deb to unmount undesired disks on startup... (y)
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14:35<hellchi>guys i need some help with this static I have playing any audio. Any idea where to start looking for solution?
14:35<hellchi>google isn't giving me much info
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14:36<gokuney>grimm26 are u there..?
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14:38<dualbus>hellchi: are you using pulseaudio, alsa? happens in all output channels? i.e. headphones, external speakers, internal speakers?
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14:40<hellchi>dualbus: I'm on a laptop and this is a fresh debian install so not sure if I have pulseaudio, alsa or not
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14:41<hellchi>pretty much everything except the youtube vidz give static
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14:41<hellchi>any movies I have locally i try playing give static and the movies don't play either but I figured I'd take care of audio first
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14:42<grimm26>in the manual partitioner after you hit the selection that you are done specifying partitions, it confirms which partitions that it will be changing
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14:43<dualbus>hellchi: well, I don't know much about that, but I would recommend you to start finding out that information to know how/where to look, and how to search for cues in google.
14:44<hellchi>if I had more specific info about wtf to look I would be looking at google already. I have been searching for things all day which is why I am finally here asking
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14:45<dualbus>hellchi: well, if you ask a question and nobody answers it's because 1) they don't know, 2) they're not there.
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14:46<dualbus>Don't expect people to be a dictionary of problem -> solution pairs :) some personal research has to be done.
14:46<dualbus>And that involves looking what setup you have currently, the audio hw of your laptop and so on.
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14:47<hellchi>oh right... so thats what I'm doing wrong eh?
14:47<hellchi>like I forgot to google properly and shit
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14:47<valdyn>!tell hellchi -about smart questions
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14:48<dualbus>hellchi: a quick search of 'debian squeeze audio static' showed at least three good results, because they show commands that give you your particular sound card, and pulse-audio stuff.
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14:48<dualbus>hellchi: then with the new info, you proceed to refine your search, and so on.
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14:50<grimm26>hmm, which kernel do I choose? I have linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 and linux-image-amd64 as a choice
14:50<grimm26>I assume the 3.2.0 is just an old one that some people want to some reason
14:50<valdyn>grimm26: thats not a choice between kernels
14:51<valdyn>grimm26: linux-image-amd64 just depends on whatever -amd64 kernel is the latest
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14:51<valdyn>grimm26: normally that is what you want to have installed
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14:53<nadir>if i am not wrong that package, linux-image-amd64, will also automatically upgrade if a newer kernel version is out there.
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14:54<nadir>while the other one will stay at the version you installed. I couldn't confirm that at the debian wiki (yet)
14:55<grimm26>i'l work on the assumption that linux-image-amd64 just means latest
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14:56<nadir>well: apt-cache show linux-image-amd64 ; seems to confirm it
14:57<nadir>"This package depends on the latest Linux kernel and modules ..."
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15:02<oussama>what !!
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15:07<hellchi>noob question. How do I find out if I am using pulseaudio or alsa?
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15:26<musca>!tell hellchi about pulseaudio
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15:26<musca>hellchi: as intro, some general information
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15:27<hellchi>man this is getting frustrated
15:28<hellchi>I'm getting all kinds of conflicting info here
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15:29<musca>hellchi: what's the problem? what do you try? what do you expect? what happens?
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15:29<alfred>hello, can anyone help me to get my lexmarklegacy 1_1_1 i386 scandriver to work?
15:29<hellchi>ok I'm completely new to linux. Just installed debian fresh on my laptop. Trying to play videos on VLC or dragon player and they aren't playing
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15:30<hellchi>the sound is static-y and the videos don't play either at all or play for a second and then stop
15:30<job_>verbose fonts too large after installing nvidia proprietary. can those fonts be reduced?
15:30<hellchi>and I have no idea where to even start because the info via google is getting overwhelming
15:31<alfred>i use debian wheezy and i cannot find any solution in the net so this is my last hope
15:31<hellchi>additional info: videos via youtube is playing perfectly fine
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15:31<job_>@hellchi gnome-sound, video player (totem), gstreamer bad ugly nice and so on
15:32<petn-randall>dpkg: tell alfred -about ask
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15:32<hellchi>job_: I'm using kde and I have no idea what you're trying to say :(
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15:33<job_>not too familiar with kde, haven't used for ages but did you try kafeine?
15:34<hellchi>when i run the alsamixer command, its showing pulseaudio as chip and card
15:35<hellchi>I have no idea if it should be doing that or not
15:35<alfred>i am running debian 7.2 i386
15:35<hellchi>kafeine is a media player job_ ?
15:35<job_>you should probably give the kde video player a go first. yes kafeine for kde
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15:36<hellchi>I have tried playing in dragon player and vlc. Both are having serious problems
15:37<hellchi>"It appears to be fixed after in addition selecting mute "pc beep" in the alsa mixer under system > preferences > sound."
15:37<hellchi>I found this except I have no idea how to mute pc beep
15:37<hellchi>any ideas?
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15:37<dualbus>hellchi: try opening alsamixer as root
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15:37<dualbus>hellchi: look for the [Beep] entry at the end
15:38<dualbus>select that with the [->] arrow, and then type «m»
15:38<hellchi>type what?
15:39<dualbus>the letter m, to Mute the beep channel.
15:39<alfred>when i try to run my scanner which is a lexmark pinnacle 901 pro via xsane i get the following message "Fehler beim öffnen des Geräts lexmarklegacy 1_1_1:libnet0020009638E6:Gerät besetzt
15:39<dualbus>sudo alsamixer; go to [Beep], press 'm', make sure it's marked as [MM].
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15:40<hellchi>yeah it was already maeked MM
15:40<hellchi>but this is odd
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15:41<hellchi>when I was loading alsamixer via regular user, it was showing pulseaudio as chip and card
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15:41<hellchi>but now as root its showing HDA ATI SB for card and "Realtek ALC269" for chip
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15:41<hellchi>shouldn't it be same all over?
15:42<dualbus>hellchi: yes, I don't know the reason for that, but I expect it has something to do that normal users can only interact with audio through pulseaudio while root gets full access to the card.
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15:46<petn-randall>alfred: Are you using the lexmark drivers from their website?
15:46<alfred>yes i do
15:46<hellchi>ok i'm in the audio settings via system settings
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15:47<petn-randall>alfred: How did you install them?
15:47<hellchi>and I'm looking at the device preferences
15:47<alfred>i installed them with gdebi
15:48<alfred>eyerything semmed to be ok
15:48<petn-randall>alfred: Did it work before?
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15:49<alfred>yes when i had debian 6.0 it worked before i did the upgrade
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15:49<petn-randall>alfred: And you're using the newest version from lexmark?
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15:50<alfred>yes i do so
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15:50<alfred>device `lexmarklegacy_1_0_0:libnet/0020009638E6' is a Lexmark Pro800-Pro900 Series Scanner
15:50<alfred>thi is what scanimage -L tells
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15:51<alfred>that is the driver i use
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15:51<petn-randall>alfred: According to the lexmark website, they dropped support for Debian wheezy.
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15:53<petn-randall>alfred: Which sucks, since CUPS and SANE both don't support that device. :(
15:53<alfred>but i am using this printer with cups and it works just fine except the scanner
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15:55<petn-randall>alfred: Lucks like a pure coincidence to me. The driver doesn't support Wheezy. You'd have to take it up with the vendor.
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15:58<alfred>sorry but where can i get the vendor?
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15:58<petn-randall>alfred: Lexmark.
16:01<alfred>i cannot find vendor and right now i only can choose between suse and fedora at the lexmark page
16:01<alfred>yesterday i choosed debian which is no more listed right now
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16:03<petn-randall>alfred: As I said, they don't support Debian Wheezy, and there are no open source drivers for that device. So it won't work.
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16:05<alfred>i like debian but i must be able to use my scanner is there definetly no solution for me?
16:06<devil>alfred: there probsably is. did you look at have a link to your driver site?
16:06<devil>is that a scanner only or a multi-device?
16:07<alfred>multi device
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16:08<devil>and your drivers are from?
16:08<alfred>they are from the lexmark site
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16:13<alfred>devil: this is the link
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16:15<devil>alfred: do you have a direct link?
16:15<devil>and please look up your device on
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16:18<alfred>i already did
16:18<alfred>my search yielded no results
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16:21<alfred>devil: do you have a link for me ?
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16:22<devil>alfred: can you type openprinting into google search?
16:23<petn-randall>devil: I think he searched it on, but got 0 results.
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16:24<ubut22>hello. when i set the screen size of my laptop to 800x600 then i have black boarders on both side of the screen. how to "stretch the screen, so that there are no boarders anymore?
16:24<petn-randall>ubut22: You can always operate your screen at its native resolution.
16:24<valdyn>ubut22: why dont you use the native lcd resolution?
16:25<alfred>thanks you are right but now i am on the right page i guess
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16:27<ubut22>petn-randall; valdyn: i have a case where i do not want to use the native resolution but instead the 800x600 resolution. any ideas about how to stretch the sceen?
16:27<alfred>This printer entry was contributed by a user but was not yet verified or proofread by the site administrators. Therefore it is not included in the Foomatic packages.
16:27<alfred>so there is no support for my device right?
16:27<petn-randall>ubut22: Then you can only check if your BIOS has such option. Is it because a game isn't running fast enough?
16:29<ubut22>in windows when i switch to 800x600 there is no black boarders on both sides. i assume this must be possible in linux as well
16:29<devil>alfred: the driver is 32-bit software. is your install of debian 32-bit as well?
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16:30<alfred>devil: yes it is 32 bit
16:30<petn-randall>ubut22: Then it might be an option of your graphics driver. Which one are you running?
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16:31<alfred>Linux debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 i686 GNU/Linux
16:31<devil>alfred: ad the driver you pointed me to is installed?
16:31<alfred>devil: yes it is
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16:34<ubut22>petn-randall. i found out how to do. thanks for trying to help
16:34<valdyn>its in the manpage anyway
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16:35<alfred>devil: do you want me to send you the driver ?
16:36<devil>alfred: stop sending me stuff!
16:36<devil>what would I do with the driver?
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16:36<alfred>i am sorry i missunderstood!
16:37<ompaul>cups problems if using openprinting sometimes one has to get a filter as well as a ppd
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16:38<ompaul>as for native printer drivers, they tend to be built for use with things like ohhhh I dono, a specific libc or kernel and then they break things - well done proprietary peeps
16:38<devil>alfred: my fault, i mistyped
16:39<ompaul>when I say native I imply native to the maker not to linux
16:39<alfred>ok i thank u all for trying to helping me!
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16:40<alfred>but i guess the only way for me is to scan on an usb stick directly and then copy to my pc
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16:41<alfred>that might be the only way if i am gonna keep wheezy
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16:43<petn-randall>alfred: Lexmark has traditionally been the worst printer company regarding linux support. They don't contribute to open source drivers, and the proprietary linux drivers are hacky at best. Only advice I can give is to avoid them in the future.
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16:44<alfred>if i knew that before i should not have made the upgrade cause under squeeze everything worked just fine
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16:44<alfred>petn-randall: i generally agree with you!
16:45<petn-randall>alfred: squeeze support will run out in May, so you couldn't have kept it that way for long, anyway.
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16:46<alfred>petn-randall: but usually i want to be able to choose hardware on lowcost and efficience which was the reason to get that one.
16:48<alfred>still i prefer linux instead of commercial operating systems that´s for sure!
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16:52<alfred>petn-randall: another question, if support ran out and i type the "apt-get update" do i get a message in stdout that it is no more supported ?
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16:59<petn-randall>alfred: Kind of. At some point the old release will be move to, and you'll only get error messages.
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17:00<petn-randall>alfred: Debian (AFAIK) doesn't have any kind of pop up or announcement like e.g. Ubuntu has.
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17:37<valdyn>aluu: debian has various mailing lists, one of which might have such announcements
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18:15<cyan>hello all
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18:16<cyan>Where can I find more console fonts?
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18:46<KittenGNU>The internets
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18:54<canddice>im wondering when i should install security updates? what is the best practice if im running a server that needs uptime?
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18:55<ompaul>two servers
18:55<ompaul>and round robbin
18:55<canddice>ok, and in the instance where i have a single server
18:55<canddice>at the moment im not installing security updates
18:55<ompaul>if you need a program updated do it when you are least impacted
18:56<ompaul>and check the list of updated programs against your own world
18:56<canddice>should i only install security updates if my specific usage is affected?
18:56<canddice>for example, i dont use apache, so i shouldnt care about apache updates?
18:56<ompaul>if the security updates impact your box
18:56<canddice>i see
18:56<ompaul>why would you ...
18:56<ompaul>if you have it installed it will update
18:57<ompaul>it won't update things you don't have installed
18:57<ompaul>usually you only have to reboot if you have a kernel update
18:57<canddice>im new to debian so i dont know much
18:57<ompaul>however your critical program say "ssh" may need to restart and cause a bit of a bump to some users
18:58<canddice>isn't it rare for ssh to need a security update?
18:58<ompaul>it depends on what you really need, you find in practice people don't need five 9s
18:58<canddice>yeah, actually im not doing mission critical stuff. just annoying if i have to restart
18:58<ompaul>it would be cheaper to have two boxes than 5nines for one
18:59<canddice>i see, thank you
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20:18<AndroUser2>czesc mam konkretny problem jest jakas dobra dusza w stanie mi pomoc mam serwer nginx i przekierowana domene na niego jednakze domena bez przedrostka www elegancko smiga i przekierowuje tak jak powinna a z przedrostkiem www przekierowuje mnie na glowne ip serwera na ktorym jest inna podpieta domena
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20:19<devil>AndroUser2: english please
20:19<AndroUser2>jest ktos w stanie pomoc?
20:20<dpkg>Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on pl is also <perl>.
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20:20<AndroUser2>okay wait up
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20:22<AndroUser2>i've got a server running nginx and i've got two domains connected to it, ones running correctly but the other one without www. fails, it works only without www. so at example it works and correctly goes at server but with it dont i dont really know why i hope ive got every nginx conf files correctly done and dns are forwarded
20:23<AndroUser2>lets say with www its not working but without it it normally redirecting to virtual host
20:24<devil>AndroUser2: you could also try #nginx on freenode
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20:25<AndroUser2>ya i know but maybe someones here that could help me
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20:36<mahfiaz>AndroUser2: you are welcome:
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20:40<ManuelCalavera>Hey people, I am having a problem with my nvidia card. Everytime I boot debian it keeps asking me for my password and once I put it it just goes back to ask th epassword. If I login to tty1 when make startx then it boots up normally. If somebody could look into my Xorg.0.log I would really appreciate. I tried different xorf.conf files but can't seem to fix it. Thanks!
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20:41<mahfiaz>ManuelCalavera: link?
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20:44<ManuelCalavera>mahfiaz, sorry pastebin is down, just a second
20:45<mahfiaz>responds to me
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20:52<mahfiaz>ManuelCalavera: nothing suspicious there
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20:54<mahfiaz>maybe you started another X and the crashing log file is Xorg.1.log ?
20:55<ManuelCalavera>mahfiaz, yeah that might be it, give me a second
20:58<ManuelCalavera>mahfiaz, yap that's it. Since I had to start my session by going to tty1 and then startx, .1.log was the file that has the warnings. The things is that I have two screens, and it seems that the conf that nvidia-settings makes it not that good. I will put the xorg.conf at the end of the bin
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21:02<mahfiaz>looks like that was too much for pastebin
21:02<mahfiaz>oh, it came
21:05<mahfiaz>ManuelCalavera: I don't think these warnings cause the crash, it probably is something else
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21:06<mahfiaz>if your close your X and /etc/init.d/gdm restart and log in, does it still happen?
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21:07<ManuelCalavera>I didn't try that, what I do is login to tty1 and make startx
21:07<ManuelCalavera>I will try to make a restart wait
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21:10<ManuelCalavera>nope, that didn't work. Still get the login screen and keeps getting stuck on the password
21:10<ManuelCalavera>the screen kind flashes two time the nvidia logo...
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21:11<ManuelCalavera>I did create a file on /usr/share/X11/xorf.conf.d called 20-nvidia.conf has said on the debian nvidia wiki
21:12<redder>anyone ever set up privoxy before?
21:14<mahfiaz>ManuelCalavera: will it just ask you for the password just the same (the second or third time) or is it different (maybe just console?)
21:14<mahfiaz>redder: nope
21:15<ManuelCalavera>it just ask password over and over again
21:15<ManuelCalavera>it has to be some problem on the xorg.conf and the fact that I am using two screens I think.
21:16<mahfiaz>ManuelCalavera: do you have any other desktop environment like lxde, openbox or something?
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21:16<mahfiaz>it could just be gnome-session or gnome-shell crashing on you
21:17<ManuelCalavera>not that I know of, maybe Kde
21:18<mahfiaz>ManuelCalavera: just install lxde then, then before you enter your password select LXDE as your session
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21:19<ManuelCalavera>I will install and try restart the pc and see how it goes. brb
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21:19<mahfiaz>you don't have to restart your machine
21:19<mahfiaz>just restart gdm
21:19<ManuelCalavera>oh ok
21:20<ManuelCalavera>one more thing
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21:20<ManuelCalavera>I see that there is a file called under the root home folder
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21:20<ManuelCalavera>could this make a conflict with the one that is loaded from /etc/X11/xorf.conf ?
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21:24<ManuelCalavera>nope, can't login to lxde
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21:24<ManuelCalavera>same thing happens, it just goes black, nvidia logo and then login menu again. I have to go to tty1 and make a startx command
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21:38<utilizador>hi :)
21:39<redder>utilizador, no need for formalities, just type your question
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21:40<mahfiaz>ManuelCalavera: only xorg.conf is used, .new or -old or whatever doesn't matter
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21:41<mahfiaz>ManuelCalavera: but you could try using that one instead, it probably is generated either by xorg or by some nvidia configuration tool
21:43<ManuelCalavera>I think I will reinstall my nvidia drivers
21:43<ManuelCalavera>I think the whole problem started when I used the nvidia-settings to save the config file it generated because of the two screen
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22:31<Rogan>Would anyone be really good with installing mondo or could advice a easy to use linux backup that allows one to create backup iso files?
22:33<Rogan>Just need help with installing verification keys for mondo software. Any help is appreciated.
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22:40<Rogan>if only linux could embrace voip solutions or just utilize youtube tutorials; instead of over complicated text documents that to a common user reads out to be nonsense. Though, I still think this is done purposely for the simple fact to drive most away from trying to use this os... All distros except the paid versions seemingly practice this. Am I wrong?
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22:42<sney>there are youtube tutorials created by users
22:42<sney>everything in linux distros is created by users. that's how it works
22:42<sney>if you see something lacking, contribute
22:43<Rogan>sney: knowledge is funny inadvertedly in the fact that you can't contribute what you can't understand yourself.
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22:43<sney>can't is pretty defeatist
22:44<Rogan>sney: trust me when i say i would make it my life mission to make this operating system far mroe user friendly if i could only begin to scrap past all the layered vocabulary and unnecassary learning curve mostly due to poor demonstration of how most things work.
22:44<sney>anyway, it's a weekend, it's nighttime in many timezones, your earlier questions were not answered because of both of these factors as well as the fact that mondo isn't in debian
22:45<sney>this support channel is also created by users
22:45<sney>primetime is business hours in US/western europe
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22:46<Rogan>sney: mondo is but one solution to a problem. I'm simply asking how to make a iso backup for a installion that actually works pretty well. I woould like to think i could come back to this point should doom and gloom come knocking on my door again but i lack the understanding of how to properly utilize mondo or other softwares offered.
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22:47<sney>for an iso, no idea. for a nice backup solution that works with a livecd, partclone is your answer. for a nice backup solution for your live systems, rdiff-backup. and in any case, being surly often reduces the quality of answers offered.
22:47<SamB>Rogan: it's true that most *nix wizards don't have much interest in pleasing users who can't deal with textual information rather than videos ...
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22:49<sney>this is less and less true as time passes, and there *are* video tutorials for many linux tasks
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22:50<sney>thing is, it's fairly intuitive once you have the fundamentals, so the tutorials are less common for more advanced stuff.
22:50<Rogan>sney: videos are often done by the ubuntu community though and lack more specifics on important aspects.
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22:53<Rogan>sney: what linux lacks is a point to issue resolution. a wise person will tell you that often problem resolution isn't as much about the quality of how you answer the question but rather if the speaker is asking the right questions to begin with. This I beleive is where linux is highly misguided for anyone outside a phd in computer science or had someone teach them how to use the os by formal instroduction.
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22:56<Rogan>sney: say for example that app armor offered some example scripts to get users started learning how to set it up and using it to better there security rather than playing the wheel of fortune game with google?
22:56<dualbus>Rogan: well, as a matter of fact it is about asking the right questions, and that applies to almost any field of human knowledge :)
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22:57<dualbus>Well, that particular example is about shitty documentations, which happens to some projects.
22:57<dualbus>It's not about linux per se.
22:59<Rogan>dualbus: i look at certain aspects as linux goals. I don't use apparmor as the be all utility but none can deny that it offers a very powerful component to linux security if properly utilized. I dare say i would love to try and learn how to put it to work on a test server and see how it could do in sandbox examples of slowing rootkits and worms down in situations of compromises. It is just one of several pieces that helps better the
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23:08<Rogan>anyways, i'll try another time when it isn't primetime. All I was trying to say is I would like to see linux adopt a more civil unity approach to bettering the os. stop looking at things as being a divided indian camp; where all tribes believe "they do it better than all the rest". History already shows how such thinking typically ends.
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23:42<amarillito1>can someone read me?
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23:45<amarillito1>can you help me please?
23:46<chris062689>What do you need help with?
23:46<amarillito1>sorry for my bad english but the spanish channel is empty.
23:47<chris062689>No problem.
23:47<amarillito1>I just install debian and the screen looks bad
23:47<amarillito1>it's blink and moving all the time
23:48<amarillito1>i am new in this
23:48<chris062689>Are messages scrolling, or is it at a login prompt?
23:48<amarillito1>and i does not know how to put the at
23:48<amarillito1>no, there's no messages
23:49<chris062689>What kind of text do you see on the screen?
23:50<amarillito1>i see the texts and the windows right, but there is that constant moving, like interference
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23:50<amarillito1>there is no special or errors texts
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23:51<chris062689>Not sure what you mean by constantly moving interfaces.
23:51<chris062689>Can you take a screenshot? With camera?
23:52<amarillito1>wait a minute
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