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00:04<amarillito1>i can't take the photo
00:05<chris062689>Be back in a bit, sorry. If you can take a screenshot somehow I'm sure people will be able to help.
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00:32<yac>Hi, Do you know what is the penetration of machines/users with the package popularity contest?
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00:34<TheFool>Hey Debian World! I am a seriously forgetful guy who has been messing around with Windows for too long, can anyone suggest an easy solution for mounting a 2nd fat32 hard drive on boot that shares to my Windows workgroup?
00:35<yac>TheFool: you can add fat32 just to your fstab. IDK about the workgroup
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00:36<TheFool>Thanks yac, I have it defined in my fstab the big part of it is I am trying to get it read/write sharable to move a bunch of crap off of my Windows machine so I can rebuild it
00:36<amarillito1>can any help me please?
00:37<TheFool>wait, yac, you legend!
00:37<amarillito1>i just install debian and the screen looks very bad, there is some kind of interference
00:37<amarillito1>i have an intel graphic card
00:37<yac>TheFool: wut?
00:38<TheFool>@yac you helped heaps just saw a reference for defining public/shared in the fstab
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00:42<yac>By penetration I mean what is the number of (participating in popcontest / estimated installes)*100
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01:30<yac>Hi, Do you know what is the penetration of machines/users ( (participatin X / total estimate of X)*100 ) with the package popularity contest?
01:31<SamB>yac: I know, lets look that up on popcon!
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01:52<yac>SamB: what do you mean?
01:52<SamB>yac: sorry, that was a silly joke
01:53<yac>SamB: I looked there but I'm kinda confused about the site. There are some data per packages, but I dont see what I need to
01:54<SamB>yac: unfortunately, popularity-contest can't *actually* provide any data for the fraction of Debian systems that have it installed
01:54<SamB>it is normally how one would get a clue about such things, but in the case of itself, it's kind of useless ...
01:55<yac>i don't even understand the metrics used just by their names
01:55<yac>it's weird
01:55<yac>SamB: so you are saying the popcon is broken/useless?
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01:56<SamB>yac: no, merely that it cannot measure its own installed base relative to that of Debian
01:56<yac>SamB: welp, what i'm interested in is the fraction of systems that have it installed
01:56<yac>that's all
01:56<yac>SamB: installed relative base?
01:57<SamB>all it could really be expected to do is tell us "100% of systems that have popularity-contest enabled have it installed"
01:57<SamB>(and how many that is)
01:57<SamB>we don't really know how many Debian systems are installed though :-(
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01:58<yac>SamB: yes. The number of total system would be just an estimate.
01:58<yac>I'm interested in that data
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02:02<yac>maybe I should ask this on a debian ML?
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03:03<Blizzbob>Im using Debian 7.2 with no graphical environment. Can i change resolution or font of the console ??
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03:10<nadir>Blizzbob: you could try this, but there are probably better solutions:
03:11<Blizzbob>nadir: thx
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03:13<nadir>Blizzbob: like said, i am not too sure that is a proper solution. I myself couldn't find a better one
03:14<Blizzbob>nadir: i will try it out ...
03:14<nadir>cool. good luck
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03:48<steve>hm. xfce power manager saying "not authorized" when i try to suspend. using sid... can't track down the problem, any ideas?
03:49<wave>anyone else having problems with XFCE weather plugin?
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04:00<bobby>Hello, for what is the ISO HD Media ?
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04:03<francesco_>Ciao a tutti
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04:19<bobby>Hello, for what is the ISO HD Media ?
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05:06<Plumegrise>i will need some help: how to store a file in the final output of a command being execution? If I top 2 >> output.txt file stores each update, I'd like just last
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05:11<ufleras>> instaed of >>?
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05:12<Plumegrise>? sorry i'm french
05:12<ufleras>top 2 > output.txt
05:14<Plumegrise>top > output.txt*
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05:14<ufleras>i quoted you
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05:16<Plumegrise>ok i read that
05:17<bartm>Plumegrise: >> appends, > overwrites, 2> is for stderr, > is for stdout
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05:18<bartm>Plumegrise: I guess "I'd like just last" is obtained by using > instead of >>. Does that answer your question ?
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05:19<Plumegrise>i don't know. I will try with the doc than you give and search keywords of bartm on google
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05:21<ufleras>you can catch it in your language: man bash
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05:24<Plumegrise>thanks, good day to you
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05:53<cyan>hello all
05:53<cyan>how to check my actual screen resoltion in console?
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06:36<mahfiaz>cyan: xrandr
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06:40<SynrG>which doesn't operate in console. and he left anyway
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06:48<mahfiaz>SynrG: you are right
06:50<oregonic>hello! i am running wheezy with xfce on an eeepc . when starting my computer, i select debian from grub.. then see login screen..all text. i log in with root, and type " /etc/init.d/x11-common start | /etc/init.d/gdm3 start && exit " ....... this logs out and brings me to graphical login screen where i type normal user and viola... my question is... is this a good way of starting xfce and x and whatnot? is this crazy
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06:57<SynrG>oregonic: usually you would use lightdm
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06:57<SynrG>oregonic: which model of eeepc? are you really that constrained for resources that you need to do without it?
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06:58<SynrG>oregonic: my daughter runs xfce on an eeepc model 4G. that's almost as low end as you can get. running lightdm there is no hardship
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06:58<SynrG>as for x11 starting, no, you should not have to kick that off manually
06:59<SynrG>(oops, just saw you do use gdm3 already so clearly you're not worried about resources :)
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07:00<oregonic>i would like a graphical way of logging into xfce
07:00<oregonic>thats not gdm3
07:00<SynrG>and that, as i said, would normally be lightdm. why are you starting gdm3 manually?
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07:01<oregonic>between security and efficiency
07:02<oregonic>but gdm3 is only in the picture because i installed the gnomeversion of debian then found out how cool xfce is
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07:02<SynrG>i see nothing secure or efficient about starting gdm3 manually
07:02<SynrG>just replace gdm3 with lightdm and let it start automatically at boot.
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07:05<oregonic>apt-get remove gdm3 | apt-get install lightdm ?
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07:07<SynrG>why are you using pipe here?
07:08<oregonic>not sure .
07:08<SynrG>in fact, you can simply apt-get install lightdm. when it is installed and working and you decide you like it, you can later remove gdm3
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07:08<SynrG>that's the wrong use of pipe. pipe sends the output of the first command to input of the second
07:08<oregonic>ok and when installing lightdm it will be automatic? thanks for clearing up the pipe
07:09<oregonic>when installing lightdm it will start automattic on boot?
07:09<SynrG>at installation time you will be asked if you want to make it the default
07:09<SynrG>which i believe is the default
07:09<oregonic>k thanks
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07:10<SynrG>(i mean, when installing any *dm, i believe it defaults to setting itself as the dm of choice, but you are prompted to confirm/switch if desired)
07:10<SynrG>that's my best recollection anyway
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07:11<SynrG>if you already have lightdm installed ...
07:11<SynrG>you could dpkg-reconfigure lightdm to switch, i think
07:11<oregonic>it asked since there was multiple *dms i chose lightdm
07:12<oregonic>dpkg: error processing lightdm (--configure):
07:12<oregonic> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
07:12<oregonic>Errors were encountered while processing:
07:12<oregonic> lightdm E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
07:12<dpkg>oregonic: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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07:13<SynrG>oregonic: use to show us the output, please
07:13<SynrG>the command typed and the full output. not just the error
07:13<oregonic>psychic you
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07:18<oregonic>btw i am very pleased with the new debian and new xfce. thank you debian :)
07:18<SynrG>oregonic: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/lightdm.postinst
07:18<SynrG>after the first line, add a line that contains "set -x"
07:18<SynrG>then: dpkg --configure -a
07:19<oregonic>whats that do
07:19<SynrG>gives us some idea why the 'exit 1'
07:19<SynrG>because it said " subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1"
07:19<SynrG>we know it is in the postinst
07:20<oregonic>theres also a set -e just under where im adding that line. is that ok? shoudl i comment that out
07:20<SynrG>"set -x" echoes every line as it is executed
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07:20<SynrG>no. set -e is for a different reason. that says "if there is any command returning a non-0 (i.e. error) result, exit immediately"
07:21<register>k keeping that. trying apt-get install again
07:21<SynrG>no ...
07:21<SynrG>just: dpkg --configure -a (or dpkg --configure --pending)
07:23<SynrG>because the package install has already happened and it just not has been configured, you do not need to reinstall
07:23<SynrG>we edited the postinst. we just want it to rerun it with our edit intact.
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07:24<SynrG>ok. you have broken update-rc.d
07:24<SynrG>don't do that.
07:24<register>damn. how much to fix it
07:24<register>;) how do i fix it
07:24<register>im looking up what it is
07:24<SynrG>i don't know. how did you break it?
07:25<register>hmm. everything has been acting real smooth
07:25<SynrG>the fact that you are manually starting init scripts makes me believe you have messed with your system somehow for "efficiency and security"
07:25<SynrG>something you did broke it
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07:25<register>i deleted some init.d
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07:26<SynrG>!disable service
07:26<dpkg>From update-rc.d(8): «A common system administration error is to delete the links with the thought that this will disable the service…. However, if all links have been deleted then the next time the package is upgraded, the package's postinst … will reinstall links at their factory default locations.» Use «update-rc.d $service disable» instead.
07:26<SynrG>do *not* delete init.d scripts
07:27<SynrG>which ones did you delete? you *might* be able to restore them with apt-get install --reinstall packagename
07:27<SynrG>is that the *only* thing you did?
07:28<register>most likely 99% yes
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07:28<register>im pastebin ls of /etc/init.d
07:28<register>maybe will help
07:28<SynrG>probably not
07:28<ompaul>no you have to know what you removed
07:28<sunkan>How can I debug why mimedefang is segfaulting? This is on x86 squeeze and it does it from time to time.. I see that there is a libmilter-dbg package, but trying to use it with LD_LIBRARY_PATH causes an immediate crash.
07:28<SynrG>every system has different stuff in there, depending on what packages the user has installed.
07:29<register>yes i hardly installed anything
07:29<SynrG>I'm still not sure why "update-rc.d lightdm defaults 30 01" breaks ...
07:29<register>but i see where the confusion could lie
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07:29<SynrG>maybe we can try this manually to see what it's complaining about
07:29<SynrG>but you also want to address the init.d delete scripts problem
07:29<register>and this is the first time i have tried installing something unsuccessfully on this installation
07:30<SynrG>unfortunately, that might not be as easy as a reinstall of those packages ...
07:30<SynrG>if update-rc.d is broken, the postinst of *those* packages will fail too
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07:30<SynrG>plus we would have to first remove lightdm which is obstructing further (re)installs
07:30<SynrG>as i said, this does not help
07:30<SynrG>08:28 < ompaul> no you have to know what you removed
07:31<ompaul>register: type history and does that tell you
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07:33<ompaul>register: as you don't seem to have worked it out ... back up your data if it is of any value to you and reinstall
07:33<SynrG>obviously in shell. as the user who did the removals (root, probably)
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07:33<SynrG>ompaul: i agree
07:33<SynrG>register: if you have no clear idea of what you did, a reinstall will be quicker and easier.
07:34<ompaul>and smarter
07:34<SynrG>this time around you can install xfce at install time
07:34<register>you guys are totally fuckin right
07:34<register>pardon my language
07:34<SynrG>and afterwards, see the above factoid about disabling services
07:34<register>/etc/init.d/service disable
07:35<SynrG>if you have any question as to the wisdom of disabling a given service, see us first.
07:35<SynrG>!install xfce
07:35<dpkg>To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies» To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install".
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07:38<register>debian-live-7.2-i386-xfce-desktop+nonfree is what i will be installing on my eeepc 900 . this machine has no cd drive, should i use an external dvd drive or a usb thumbdrive?
07:40<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>.
07:40<SynrG>except using the live image instead of the installer image.
07:41<SynrG>you don't really need the +nonfree on the 900 which is fully supported by the free version
07:41<register>ok and i have made many live usb linux before. what method is the best for this? i tried dd if=/media/tbtbtb/debian-live-7.2-i386-xfce-desktop+nonfree.iso of=/dev/sdd1 with no success
07:41<register>ok thanks for link
07:41<SynrG>that's wrong. you don't dd to a partition
07:41<SynrG>you dd the whole device (of course overwriting the whole thing)
07:41<SynrG>but "cp" works just as well (as shown in the first link)
07:41<SynrG>again, with cp, use the whole device, not a partition
07:42<SynrG>so, /dev/sdd
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07:42<register>so /dev/sdd not /dev/sdd1
07:42<SynrG>(assuming that's the right device)
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07:42<register>cool. it was, it may not be anymore
07:42<SynrG>ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/ to make absolutely sure :)
07:43<register>ok about to cp debian.iso ...... should i format first?
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07:45<SynrG>no. the image itself contains the formatting (i.e. filesystem)
07:45<SynrG>it also contains a boot sector and partition table ... that's why you dd to the whole drive
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07:48<register>i think dd and cp should have outputs to let the user know its working right.
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07:49<SynrG>cp doesn't dd can ...
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07:50<register>luckily there is an led on thumbdrive
07:50<murb>a write led?
07:51<register>sandiskcruser glide
07:51<register>some kind of action led
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07:52<SynrG>if you send dd the -USR1 signal it forces it to write out status
07:52<SynrG>you can do this in a loop using watch:
07:52<SynrG>watch -n 10 killall -USR1 dd
07:53<SynrG>(don't watch the watch ... that's just a cheap way to do the action in a loop ... the actual output is from your dd command :)
07:53<register>i was doing cp this time.
07:53<SynrG>ah, k
07:54<register>ok im trying this thing out.
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07:54<register>how do i check before restarting? is there a way
07:54<SynrG>maybe lsof will tell you how many bytes through it is ... dunno
07:54<register>and how do i get a list of all the things i installed since installing debian
07:55<SynrG>dpkg and apt and aptitude all keep logs
07:55<dpkg>SynrG: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
07:56<SynrG>register: lsof has:
07:56<SynrG>look in the "SIZE/OFF" column for the cp process
07:56<SynrG>for the output file, of course
07:57<register>k it finished . i happen to cp and dd all the time so thanks again
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07:58<register>so i am backing up /home/username ... is there usually any other directories worth backup in my situation? i have no /var/www
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07:59<register>and to backup to an external drive ... im copy pasting
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08:06<register>backing up /etc as well thank you
08:06<SynrG>anything under /var is a candidate, depending on what you have installed
08:06<SynrG>and how much you care about its data
08:07<SynrG>!things to backup
08:07<dpkg>Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ...
08:08<abrotman>I'm glad that factoid doesn't have the "Just upload it to the internet" thing :)
08:09<register>im really just concerned with my filezilla preferences.. justbacked those up.
08:09<register>couple more files and im restarting and installing
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08:10<abrotman>just your filezilla settings?
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08:11<register>yeah :)
08:12<register>and the list of applications to install
08:12<register>but i think i will start from scratch again.
08:12<register>i like the window manager tweaks in xfce ... transparencyand what not
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08:49<PMode>Hi, I believe there used to be a tool to scan the file system and check if the file is contained in a package and if it has been modified since package installation. I believe it was more sophisticated than a find with dpkg -S or debsums. Any idea?
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08:52<Nitin144>hiii is there any app for calling on phone
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08:53<Nitin144>any app to call on mobile thru laptop
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09:12<automatik>is there a way to install cinnamon onto debian?
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09:12<musca>,v cinnamon
09:12<judd>Package: cinnamon on i386 -- sid: 1.7.4-2.2+b1
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09:13<musca>automatik: so there is an early version in the developement branch. I doubt that it would be easy to install.
09:14<automatik>ok what about mate?
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09:27<hiexpo>morning all hey i am having a bit of trouble after an install live cd boots fine but after i install it i get a kernal panic
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09:48<musca>hello hiexpo
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09:48<musca>which live cd did you install?
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09:51<oregonic>man this is an impressive operating system
09:51<oregonic>imguessing mousepad is like leafpad
09:51<SynrG>why guess? apt-cache show mousepad
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09:52<aliasdeep>Доброго времени всем.
09:52<oregonic>better than leafpad
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09:52<mahfiaz>aliasdeep: Привет
09:53<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian ( (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
09:53<mahfiaz>aliasdeep: unfortunately this pretty much sums my russian :)
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09:55<oregonic>i have essentially updated my pc... reinstalling filezilla and inkscape, xchat, and transmission. .. now is there an out of the box firewall application? or do i read more about iptables?
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09:56<hiexpo>musca, 7.2
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09:59<SynrG>!tell oregonic about firewall
10:00<SynrG>oregonic: query the bot on any of those topics until you're satisfied
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10:00<dpkg>A firewall is a boundary - usually a computer or network appliance - between your private network and the Internet. A firewall cannot protect the computer it is running on. Ask me about <iptables>. See also <arno-iptables-firewall>, <ferm>, <firehol>.
10:00<SynrG>oregonic: *query* the bot
10:00<oregonic>how do i do that
10:00<SynrG>/query dpkg
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10:01<SynrG>or /msg dpkg
10:01<oregonic>so i should read more about iptables
10:01<SynrG>yes. public display of factoids is only so other helpers can see what help is being given.
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10:02<SynrG>for private use, always msg/query the bot
10:02<oregonic>k... right out of the box installation... debian wheezy how secure is it?
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10:05<oregonic>default iptables allows all traffic to and from pc?
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10:06<SynrG>a reasonable effort is made to make a default system secure, but still usable. people differ in opinion as to where the tradeoffs should be made, so ...
10:06<SynrG>impossible to give you any sort of meaningful answer :)
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10:06<oregonic>k cool
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10:07<SynrG>security is ultimately the concern of the administrator. you should take a critical eye to everything regardless of what your distro claims.
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10:08<oregonic>yes i agree
10:08<SynrG>oregonic: re iptables default, you can use iptables itself to tell you that.
10:08<SynrG>can, and should :)
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10:09<SynrG>always trust what your system is telling you over what <random irc person> tells you, where security is concerned.
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10:09<oregonic>and before i uninstalled... i had gotten the touchpad clicks working... is there a simple way for that? global touchpad tap clicks
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11:07<Guest4262>Hello. I downloaded debian stable and installed it on my PC. I, then downloaded the drivers for my TP-LINK, passed them on my PC with a USB memory stick and when I ran 'make && sudo make install I get this message: 'bash: make: command not found'
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11:08<Guest4262>I then downloaded the make files and I don't know how to install it manually. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
11:08<hiexpo>read the install file in the folder
11:08<Guest4262>I can't see any install file
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11:12<Guest4262>Could someone check it?
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11:13<sney>Guest4262: software in debian is installed using 'apt-get'
11:13<sney>Guest4262: so to build a source package you would do 'apt-get install build-essential'
11:13<Guest4262>I don't have Internet access.
11:13<sney>HOWEVER, you probably don't really need to compile the driver for your tp-link. what model is it
11:14<Guest4262>It's TL-WN422G
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11:15<sney>Guest4262: this is your device in debian:
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11:15<sney>you can get the firmware-atheros package from
11:16<Guest4262>Thanks, I will give it a try.
11:16<sney>in fact, here, since the wiki page is a mess
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11:23<Guest4262>Sney, I ran the firmware-atheros...deb file and I am getting this error: 'failed to excute child process "ar"'
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11:25<petn-randall>Guest4262: *install* it, don't *execute* it.
11:25<petn-randall>Guest4262: dpkg -i <path to your.deb>
11:26<hiexpo>tried to install 7.2 but keep getting a kernal panic after the install but boots live ok
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11:28<Guest4262>I just tried the dpkg command. I used sudo and it says that I am typing my password incorrectly. I'm sure that it is correct.
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11:28<Guest4262>Logged out and logged in with my root. Password is correct.
11:28<Guest4262>I just can't use it on terminal.
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11:32<petn-randall>Guest4262: sudo and su are not the same.
11:32<mtn>Guest4262: sudo does not use your root password
11:32<petn-randall>Guest4262: sudo requires the password of the current user, su uses the password of your root user.
11:32<petn-randall>Guest4262: Also, you can only use sudo when it's set up for your user.
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11:34<Guest4262>Used sudo: user is not in the sudoers file. Used su: no passwd entry for user 'firwmware ... .deb hmmm
11:35<mtn>Guest4262: debian does come with sudo enabled
11:35<mtn>does not
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11:36<Guest4262>Does the su command have to be followed by the user name? I tried it and I get a syntax error.
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11:37<Guest4262>What should i try now?
11:37<petn-randall>Guest4262: just type 'su', nothing else.
11:37<petn-randall>Guest4262: Also, you can read the documentation to any command available via 'man <command>'.
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11:38<redrain>Hi, i have problems with "icon fonts" (desktop, ttf versions) on wheezy. The fonts doesn't work, i mean i can not see the characters but empty squares. I've tested those fonts (Entypo, FontAwesome etc.) on Ubuntu. There isn't any problem. Does anyone have any idea how can i solve or at least where to look?
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11:39<petn-randall>redrain: squares usually means the fonts don't have the characters available for that code point.
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11:42<redrain>petn-randall, As i said I've tested on Ubuntu and there isn't any problem there. I've looked here: which says there isn't any differences between Ubuntu font packages and Debian's as of Wheezy
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11:43<Guest4262>It works. I learnt some things today. Thank you all, bye.
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11:52<petn-randall>redrain: How did you install the fonts? Where are they from?
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11:52<petn-randall>redrain: The link you gave doesn't say such thing.
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11:52<petn-randall>thing = Ubuntu and Debian font packages not having any differences.
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11:54<sunny_>erm, guys?
11:54<sunny_>is there a dedicated debian noob support channel?
11:55<petn-randall>sunny_: There isn't. But we can point you in the right direction if you ask questions.
11:55<musca>yes. here. just ask
11:55<sunny_>well, okey
11:55<sunny_>So I recently switched to Debian for principle reasons
11:56<sunny_>however, some application, including a video chat client called camfrog, doesnt work
11:56<sunny_>I installed Virtualbox and have it up and running
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11:56<sunny_>the problem ,the webcam
11:56<sunny_>It seems to be connected properly, installed on VM Win7 64bits
11:56<amdp>hello is there somebody who knows how to setup dhcpd ?
11:57<stderr>amdp: Most likely, yes.
11:57<amdp>what I don't understand is the subnet and netmask
11:57<amdp>I have a dedicated server in Italy
11:57<sunny_>only to see a black video output. Also, it seems that in Debian, the webcam does not work
11:58<petn-randall>sunny_: Try to describe your problem in full sentences. Also, don't hit enter if you want to write more anyway.
11:58<petn-randall>sunny_: What kind of webcam is this?
11:58<stderr>amdp: What's the problem?
11:58<amdp>the address is
11:58<amdp>so I ssh xxxxxxx and I connect to it
11:59<amdp>now dhcp is dynamic
11:59<petn-randall>amdp: So you want to serve out IP addresses with dhcpd?
11:59<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
11:59<amdp>but I only need it to netboot a debian installation
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11:59<stderr>amdp: Is the server on your LAN?
11:59<redrain>petn-randall, "The default fonts in Debian derived distributions like Ubuntu and Linux Mint have better looking fonts when compared to default Debian squeeze since the ubuntu-based distros have heavily patched cairo or freetype2 whereas Vanilla Debian doesn't do patching as much as they do. A lot of things about the cairo package has changed recently in wheezy and unstable which have brought almost the same font setup to Debian"
12:00<stderr>You can't PXE-boot from a server that isn't on your LAN.
12:00<sunny_>1. How can I get the webcam working in Debian. 2 Get the webcam working in Virtual Box. The model is a Logitech Sphere MP. Installed debian version is the latest stable. Could someone be so kind to assist me in this? Bare in mind, my linux knowledge is praticly zip, nada, nothing (but things can change :-)
12:00<redrain>petn-randall, The entypo font is from:
12:00<petn-randall>redrain: I read that part, but it's not saying what you say. How did you install the font?
12:00<amdp>in serverfault there were people who did it
12:00<amdp>using tftp
12:01<petn-randall>sunny_: Is the camera USB?
12:01<amdp>in any case the thing is I don't understand what subnets are for
12:01<sunny_>petn-randall: yes
12:01<redrain>petn-randall, I tried both home .fonts and /usr/share/fonts folders. I've recreated font cache with fc-cache -fv but no luck
12:01<stderr>amdp: Well, DHCP doesn't work outside your LAN. They might have had a DHCP-server on their LAN.
12:02<amdp>just to let more than one people to connect to the same IP?
12:02<petn-randall>sunny_: Then it should be enough if you just pass the camera through in virtualbox. There's a little icon on the bottom right to pass USB devices through to the guest system.
12:02<stderr>amdp: The subnet/netmask says what IP-range is directly connected to your network interface.
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12:03<amdp>good, so is there a way to find that out or I should know it on my own? issuing ifconfig can give me hints?
12:04<stderr>amdp: Eg. if your LAN IP-range is>, the first 24 bits of those addresses stay the same, so your would use /24 or (24 "high"-bits) as the subnet.
12:04<stderr>amdp: What addresses are you using on your LAN?
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12:04<sunny_>Did that, webcam gets passed true, got recognized & seems to be working, except for the fact that the feed is black. Build in Mic in logitech webcam also does not seem to function. Is this a debian problem (as the webcam also does not work in debian) or a windowzz problem? a couple of days ago, the webcam worked on the same windows 7 OS (used the same driver/firmware)
12:04<amdp>I don't know that's the point
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12:05<amdp>I mean I only know there's a server on xxxx.226.81
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12:05<amdp>Bcast is xxxxx.231.255
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12:05<amdp>and Mask is
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12:06<petn-randall>sunny_: Looks like a virtualbox problem to me. Debian doesn't need (and in fact shouldn't use) the camera driver when passing it through to the guest.
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12:06<stderr>amdp: Well, there you go. Netmask =
12:06<petn-randall>sunny_: Can you verify that you're running the most current virtualbox version, and that you've got the USB extensions and guest extensions installed?
12:06<sunny_>ok, current install version is 4.1.18, there is a newer version out there, i'll install that one
12:06<stderr>amdp: AKA /21.
12:07<amdp>the dhcpd,conf file says " subnet xxxx netmask yyy "
12:07<sunny_>extra packages & guest extensions have been installed yes
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12:07<sunny_>thank you petn-randall for your support!
12:07<stderr>amdp: Can you give us the real IP-address for one of the machines?
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12:08<amdp>so I should put xxxxx.226.81 [my server ip] for the subnet?
12:09<stderr>You could... Or
12:09<stderr>The network address.
12:09<amdp>what is the difference?
12:09<petn-randall>sunny_: You're welcome. Tell me if the problem still persists with the new version.
12:09<stderr>amdp: dhcpd probably doesn't care.
12:10<stderr>amdp: .226.81 is one of your machines. .224.0 is the "real" network address.
12:10<petn-randall>redrain: And then you set your DE to use that as the default font? And then everything is just squares? Or only some letters?
12:10<amdp>ok I see
12:11<amdp>where did you get 224.0 from?
12:11<stderr>From the netmask and one of your IP-addresses.
12:11<redrain>petn-randall, It changes between programs, font-viewer only shows squares but, for example Inkscape shows default sans font instead of original font
12:12<stderr> says that the first 21 bits should stay the same on all the machines on the LAN.
12:12<stderr>So take one of the addresses and set the (32-21=11) last bits to 0
12:14<petn-randall>redrain: If you start libreoffice, are the fonts available and working?
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12:16<redrain>petn-randall, No, i have two fonts installed one of them is only squares in Libre Office other one default sans font
12:17<petn-randall>redrain: And you're running wheezy without any 3rd party repos?
12:17<redrain>petn-randall, Yes
12:18<petn-randall>redrain: Very strange. 3rd party fonts have worked for me on wheezy in the past. Maybe the font is broken in a special way? Can you provide the sample?
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12:20<redrain>petn-randall, It is not just one font. I've tried 4-5 of them. All of them work on Ubuntu but not on wheezy. What kind of example do you need? Screenshot or font files?
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12:24<petn-randall>redrain: Oh, I thought it was just one specific font. Then I'm out of ideas. Maybe you're missing some packages to your desktop environment? Which one do you have installed?
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12:25<redrain>petn-randall, Thank you. I'm using default desktop, Gnome.
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12:27<petn-randall>redrain: I don't know enough about the internals of the font renderer to further debug this, sorry. Maybe someone else can jump in to help.
12:27<redrain>petn-randall, Thanks again...
12:28<sunny_>crap, updated virtual box, guest additions & usb2.0 package
12:28<sunny_>seems that the build in mic works
12:29<sunny_>control of the cam works also (I can move the webcam with the software). Video feed still black
12:29<petn-randall>sunny_: Maybe just the rendering fails, and the camera actually works. You might get it to work if you install the 3d acceleration driver as a guest addition.
12:30<sunny_>Hmmm, that is perhaps a good idea
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12:54<SilverSlimer>hi guys, i'd like to remove applications which were automatically included with the kde-standard package without removing kde-standard itself. is that possible?
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13:12<chealer>SilverSlimer: not unless they are mere recommendations
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13:55<martinc_>hey hey
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14:02<t0ke>Getting the following error when I run "sudo apt-get install --fix-broken"
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14:02<t0ke>Started crashing on login, just trying to fix it
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14:08<sney>t0ke: start by deleting that .deb from /var/cache/apt/archives and try agian
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14:10<t0ke>sney: Done, problem persists when running "sudo apt-get install --fix-broken"
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14:12<t0ke>1 sec, I deleted it but it was still there when I opened nautilus again
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14:13<sney>t0ke: you'll know it was actually deleted when you run apt-get and it redownloads the package
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14:14<t0ke>Deleted it using "sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/libsvga1_1%3a1.4.3-33_i386.deb", but the same error comes up
14:15<_aeris_>t0ke > you try to replace /etc/vga/null.keymap which is already installed from another package
14:15<_aeris_>surely the amd64 version
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14:20<t0ke>Any idea what to do? I've tried 'Fix Broken Packages' in Synaptic Package Manager. but it says the same thing. "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libsvga1_1%3a1.4.3-33_i386.deb: trying to overwrite shared '/etc/vga/null.keymap', which is different from other instances of package libsvga1:i386"
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14:22<_aeris_>move /etc/vga/null.keymap to /etc/vga/null.keymap.bak
14:23<_aeris_>and try to reinstall
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14:25<t0ke>Done, got the following:
14:26<TobiX>t0ke: That's Debian bug #684148 FYI
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14:26<_aeris_>t0ke > continue to move each file
14:26<TobiX>t0ke: Remove all files from /etc/vga and try again
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14:27<t0ke>"Support for zero width non-joiner in Farsi (Persian) language on some website using FireFox on Mac OS X" Lol, doesn't sound like that bug
14:27<_aeris_>or move all keymap all in one
14:27<t0ke>Okay, will do
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14:28<TobiX>t0ke: Huh?
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14:30<TobiX>t0ke: Which of your packages requires svgalib?
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14:31<t0ke>Oh, it opened that bug at bugzilla :P
14:31<t0ke>1 sec
14:32<TobiX>Since the package was removed from unstable, it's very unlikely that bug will get fixed any time soon...
14:33<TobiX>t0ke: Probably mplayer or links2...
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14:34<sney>'aptitude why libsvga1' would explain what's bringing it in
14:34<sney>bet it's a recommend
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14:36<t0ke>Yay, the error has stopped now
14:36<t0ke>You were right, just needed to delete the stuff in /etc/vga
14:38<t0ke>Another question while I'm here: I currently only have Debian installed, but I need to install Windows as well (for a game that I can't get to work in Wine). Will I have to reinstall a bootloader or something after dual-booting windows?
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14:39<TobiX>t0ke: The Windows installer overwrites grub AFAIR, so yes.
14:39<sney>yeah, unless you put windows on a different hard drive and disconnect the debian drive while you're installing
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14:42<t0ke>Okay cool. Does anyone have any info on how to partition my hard drive to allow a windows installation? Most of the information I see focusses on people that are installing Debian after Windows, not the other way around
14:43<t0ke>As far as i remember, I just have to shrink my linux partition, and create an ntfs (or is it fat32) partition for Windows
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14:48<user>running debian stable. how to auto login everytime that i open my pc?
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14:50<smo>is there a specific channel for packaging please?
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14:50<dpkg>i guess mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. #debian-mentors on (
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14:56<aied>Do I need acpid on a debian server? According to the manpage it is a "Advanced Configuration and Power Interface event daemon" which doesn't seem to be needed on a server, right?
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15:19<someonewhoneedshelp>I'm running debian stable and I need help with auto log in. I am running lxde.
15:19<someonewhoneedshelp>What do I have to do
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15:34<someonewhoneedshelp>I'm trying to add a keyboard layout but my /etc/console-tools/config file is empty
15:34<someonewhoneedshelp>is that normal?
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15:35<someonewhoneedshelp>I can't even re-create iy
15:36<mtn>someonewhoneedshelp: that file does not exist on my wheezy install
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15:37<someonewhoneedshelp>So, should I skip this step?
15:37<SynrG>someonewhoneedshelp: alternatively, lxde comes with lightdm, and /etc/lightdm.conf contains settings for autologin.
15:37<SynrG>someonewhoneedshelp: that step of what?
15:38<SynrG>what instructions are you following, i mean?
15:38<someonewhoneedshelp> here
15:38<SynrG>debian's keyboard config is in /etc/default/keyboard
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15:38<SynrG>that article is ancient ... please always check the date on HOWTOs before following them
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15:39<someonewhoneedshelp>Oh.. Could you give me a new article?
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15:41<sney>someonewhoneedshelp: it seems like you could install lightdm and then read /etc/lightdm.conf to set it up for autologin
15:42<someonewhoneedshelp>@Sney, it is already installed. Do you think that the editing the /etc/inittab text won't work?
15:42<SynrG>it's not that it won't work ...
15:43<SynrG>but the usual way is lightdm
15:43<SynrG>(for lxde)
15:43<SynrG>and is a bit simpler to set up
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15:43<someonewhoneedshelp>I edited it and I will reboot to see if it works. I will be back in 2 minutes.
15:44<someonewhoneedshelp>SynrG, if possible, could you find some information about the keyboard? I can't find something.
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15:46<someonewhoneedshelp>I'm back. It seems that it isn't working..
15:46<sney>!doesnt work
15:46<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
15:48<someonewhoneedshelp>haha, I am talking about auto log in.
15:48<sney>someonewhoneedshelp: please remember that the people in #debian are not at your computer with you and cannot see your screen.
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15:49<sney>if you are vague, we can't help.
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15:50<someonewhoneedshelp>Sorry about that. I tried editing /etc/inittab but I still had to type my username and password. What about the way that SynrG suggested?
15:50<sney>try it and see? but first undo the changes you made to inittab
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15:53<someonewhoneedshelp>I'm in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf but not sure what I have to edit.
15:53<amdpZ>stderr: hi ;-)
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15:54<gsimmons>sney: The ath9k_htc wiki page should be less of a mess now.
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15:56<someonewhoneedshelp>' autologin-user = user' ' autologin-user-timeout = 0' is there something else?
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15:57<mtn>someonewhoneedshelp: sure, put in the name of the user ;)
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15:57<someonewhoneedshelp>The name is.. user.
15:57<mtn>someonewhoneedshelp: that is your username? yikes!
15:57<sney>gsimmons: neat. I should really get into the habit of doing that myself
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15:59<amdpZ>hi I installed a debian debootstrap onto the swap partitiin of a centos installation on a remote server
15:59<amdpZ>but I can't use apt-get
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16:00<amdpZ>and dpkg isn't working fine
16:00<sney>amdpZ: that must have been a big swap partition
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16:00<amdpZ>4Gb isn't enough?
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16:01<someonewhoneedshelp2>Edited LightDM, still nothing.
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16:01<valdyn>amdpZ: why cant you use apt-get?
16:01<stderr>amdpZ: It seems like multiarch-support wasn't installed by debootstrap.
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16:02<stderr>amdpZ: Did debootstrap download the multiarch-support .deb?
16:03<valdyn>stderr: where did you take away that he needs multiarch?
16:03<stderr>valdyn: He asked earlier in private.
16:03<valdyn>stderr: i see
16:03<stderr><amdp> dpkg: regarding .../libss2_1.42.5-1.1_amd64.deb containing libss2:amd64, pre-dependency problem:
16:03<stderr><amdp> libss2 pre-depends on multiarch-support
16:03<stderr><amdp> multiarch-support is not installed.
16:04<someonewhoneedshelp2>What could be wrong? a guy here: says that you need something called ubuntu desktop. Is that true?
16:04<valdyn>thats odd, he shouldnt need multiarch to have dpkg
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16:05<stderr>I'm not sure what went wrong. It seems debootstrap downloaded the packages, but didn't extract them.
16:05<sney>someonewhoneedshelp: no, ubuntu-desktop is in ubuntu, not debian...
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16:06<amdpZ>seems like dpkg mabaged to extract apt-get
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16:06<amdpZ>but aptget gives error when trying to load ahared libraries
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16:08<amdpZ>aptitude is not present
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16:11<someonewhoneedshelp2>How can I add a keyboard layout?
16:11<amdpz>should i try the multiarch*.deb?
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16:15<someonewhoneedshelp2>What do I have to add on /etc/default/keyboard for Greek?
16:17<someonewhoneedshelp2>I made it.
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16:19<someonewhoneedshelp2>i have to go.any last ideas on how to auto log in?
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16:23<AndroUser>I had a stupid question. I'm quite the noob with linux and such and was wondering what the "easiest" way to copy Debian's repository would be?
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16:23<SynrG>someonewhoneedshelp2: man keyboard
16:23<SynrG>it explains
16:24<stderr>AndroUser: "Copy" as in setting up your own debian mirror?
16:24<someonewhoneedshelp2>Synr, it's ok with the keyboard now. But I still didn't make to auto log in
16:24<AndroUser>Well yeah (I changed my nickname) I wanted to copy it and burn it to DVD for backup.
16:24<SynrG>see the examples, then, that ship with lightdm
16:25<SynrG>ah, hmm
16:25<SynrG>no, i misremembered
16:25<stderr>AndroUser: Just download the DVD isos...
16:25<SynrG>but my lightdm.conf has comments in the header that explain
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16:26<AndroUser>There are DVD isos of the whole repository?
16:26<stderr>someonewhoneedshelp2: Could you run grep autologin /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and dump the output on ?
16:26<stderr>AndroUser: Yes... But it's a lot of DVDs...
16:27<stderr>AndroUser: Why do you need/want your own private backup of the packages? Ain't the mirrors good enough?
16:27<AndroUser>Ok well I'll look for them. Is it fairly easy to locate? I know know to internet.
16:28<AndroUser>Well I know most of you guys/gals know of distrowatch and osdisc.
16:29<AndroUser>Some people just have really crappy internet and I'm not going to pay for the discs.
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16:30<stderr>someonewhoneedshelp2: Could you run the command I asked you to run?
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16:30<someonewhoneedshelp2>Give me a second
16:30<stderr>Ah... Line 52-53 and 78-79.
16:30<AndroUser>Alright I'll go look for them isos. Thanks all.
16:31<stderr>You probably want to have the autologin-user... lines under the [SeatDefaults] line (line 57).
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16:32<SynrG>someonewhoneedshelp2: of course 'user' should be your username
16:33<someonewhoneedshelp2>My username is user..
16:33<SynrG>very well
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16:33<stderr>I'm pretty sure the autologin-lines have to be in the [SearDefaults] section, not before the section.
16:34<stderr>Uncomment and change line 78-79.
16:34<SynrG>[SeatDefaults] you mean
16:34<someonewhoneedshelp2>Let me try this
16:34<stderr>Re-comment line 52-53, in case that breaks something else.
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16:43<nohelpneededanymore>Thanks, Debian people. It finally works :]
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16:45<AndroUser>For the repository isos would I be downloading the dvd "source" torrents?
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16:47<AndroUser>Debian Internet folk :)
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16:53<AndroUser>Ok a google hit me it isn't the source isos. I'm just derping today. If anyone knows where the repository isos are that'd be helpful.
16:53<stderr>AndroUser: Do you want source code or just binaries?
16:54<stderr>AndroUser: What architecture?
16:54<AndroUser>I just what the repository on disc. I know there's a complex way to aquire them. I just didn't want to have to go through all the trouble. Mainly 64 and 32
16:55<AndroUser>Or 64 and 86
16:55<stderr>amd64 is here:
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16:57<stderr>The first 3 DVDs are in the iso-dvd (or bt-dvd, if you want to get them using bittorrent). For the last 7, you have to use jigdo and the files in jigdo-dvd.
16:57<AndroUser>I figured it was the 4 iso set. So that's all of it? If so I shouldn't have trouble with the 86 version.
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16:57<stderr>It's 10 DVDs...
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16:58<stderr>I still don't know why you want all of those DVDs.
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16:58<AndroUser>Backup. I'm a tinfoil hat wearing guy.
16:58<SamB>stderr: Debian sure has grown ...
16:59<stderr>SamB: Yes. I remember getting all _3 CDs_ of a much earlier release. :-)
16:59<SamB>AndroUser: you could just mirror the Debian archive and keep a netinst CD ...
17:00<AndroUser>Oh ok. I get it first 3 are in the iso dvd and the last 7 are in jigdo dvd.
17:00<SamB>stderr: I remember something like 5/5 or 7/7 source/binary CDs
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17:00<stderr>AndroUser: Well, all 10 are in jigdo, but it might be easier to get the first 3 using bittorrent.
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17:01*SamB wonders how horribly difficult it would be to make a combined bittorrent/jigdo downloader
17:02<AndroUser>Is there anything I should know about jigdo?
17:02<f8l>I suggest using jigdo for all. If it's pointed to /var/cache/apt/, it may produce the images faster.
17:03<stderr>AndroUser: As SamB said, you might consider making a real mirror instead.
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17:03<AndroUser>Ok so from what the debian faq tells me jigdo is like torrenting but it's jigdo.
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17:04<f8l>AndroUser: It's like torrent where peers are Debian mirrors.
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17:05<f8l>AndroUser: It can also use local packages, so you don't have to download them if you already have them in the cache.
17:05<AndroUser>I was thinking of the ftp, but I was wondering if I need special credentials to download massive amounts of data from debian. cuts me off after 3 simultaneous downloads.
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17:08<f8l>SamB: Why would you think it was difficult? I used to use jigdo to assemble a partial image from what I already had on disk, and then complete it via torrent.
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17:08<f8l>Sorry for my poor English.
17:08<SamB>f8l: well, what I was imagining was a single client that could use both sources to download everything
17:09<AndroUser>I have never used it. Jigdo. Then I went back to the faq. Your English is good f8l.
17:09<stderr>SamB: And finish off with a rsync so the timestamp matches. :-)
17:10<AndroUser>In time jigdo and torrent will be one. In due time.
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17:10<f8l>SamB: Sounds like a great idea to me. Except almost no one uses jigdo, unfortunately.
17:10<SamB>sort of like getright would probably do, though that's non-free
17:10<SamB>(I mean, if it supported jigdo at all.)
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17:11<AndroUser>I can get down with jigdo.
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17:11<f8l>SamB: I think I've heard about a downloading tool which supported jigdo. It was Aria IIRC.
17:12<SamB>oh, cool
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17:16<AndroUser>Alright I'm going to go jigdo. Thanks f8l, stderr, SamB for the help.
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17:16<stderr>No problem.
17:17<f8l>AndroUser: I'm glad you chose it.
17:18<AndroUser>They even have blu-ray images. Brutal.
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17:20<sney>that's the word I'd use, too
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17:24<vhann>Hi, is XDMCP supported in Wheezy? Under gdm3 for example?
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17:24<abrotman>one would think?
17:25<f8l>SamB: Apparently it wasn't aria2.
17:25<vhann>abrotman: It wasn't in Ubuntu last time I tried (that was before gdm3 though)
17:25*abrotman doesn't have a Debian box with X handy
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17:26<abrotman>vhann: apt-cache search xdmcp ?
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17:30<davetesc>got a silly question re. fonts???
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17:30<vhann>abrotman: Sweet, I just found exactly what I wanted: xdmx. Thanks for your help
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17:31<f8l>!tell davetesc about ask
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17:31<davetesc>am I in the wrong room??
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17:32<sney>davetesc: ask your question, don't ask to ask
17:32<davetesc>Ok thanks
17:32<davetesc>Using libre office draw to knock up posters, limited fonts installed.
17:33<davetesc>want to add more but don't want to drag in ms or non free.
17:33<davetesc>Any clues???
17:34<davetesc>Using DEB testing XFCE mainly
17:35<themill>deavid: what's your actual question?
17:35<sney>davetesc: 'aptitude search fonts-'
17:36<davetesc>how can I add more fonts to my system without adding the ms ones as I dont want to be using non free ones
17:36<sney>if you don't have non-free in your sources.list, then anything the above search finds you is not non-free
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17:37<davetesc>so stupid question how do I know whats microsoft so I can avoid it like the plague?
17:37<sney>debian does not distribute anything from microsoft in main
17:38<themill>well.. Debian does not distribute anything that is non-free in main.
17:38<davetesc>pretty sure I have the non-free bit in sources.list mainly trying to avoid ms while getting more linux fonts
17:39<sney>pretty sure you should just aptitude search fonts and look at the descriptions
17:39<stderr>Remove non-free from your sources list while you get the fonts. That might be the easy solution.
17:39<davetesc>ok thanks for that, will give it a go.
17:40<sney>last time I checked, the only microsoft-related font package available has "mscorefonts" in the name and says "Microsoft" right in the beginning of the description
17:40<sney>so as long as you look at stuff, you'll be safe
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17:41<davetesc>Thankyou all, finally managed to give Vissta the elbow a couple of months ago so laptop is Linux only, didn't want to go backwards.
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17:55<davetesc>Thanks for your help, have now got plenty of new fonts to play with and know how to advoid ms ones. Thank you, Bye.
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18:03<amdp>I should choose a kernel for wheezy..
18:04<amdp>which one would you suggest?
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18:04<paultag>or kFreeBSD if you'd like
18:04<paultag>HURD is mostly broken.
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18:04<amdp>but which one?
18:04<paultag>there's only one Linux :)
18:04<valdyn>amdp: what are your alternatives?
18:04<paultag>which version?
18:04<paultag>Whichever is in stable will do nicely :)
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18:05<paultag>3.2.51-1 looks like
18:05<amdp>I've seen from 3.2 to 3.8
18:05<amdp>there's many alternatives I guess
18:05<valdyn>amdp: not really, most of those have no package in wheezy
18:05<amdp>ah ok
18:06<amdp>so should I follow paultag advice?
18:06<valdyn>amdp: which advice?
18:07<stderr>amdp: I don't have an amd64 box here, but my guess would be "linux-image-amd64".
18:07<valdyn>amdp: debian installs fine without you explicitely installing any kernel iirc
18:07<valdyn>amdp: thats a version number, not a kernel
18:07<valdyn>amdp: and theres multiple kernels with that version number
18:07<stderr>valdyn: He's debootstrap'ing, so no kernel...
18:07<valdyn>amdp: what stderr said
18:08<amdp>I am debootstraping
18:08<stderr>I don't know if amd64 have other linux-image-* packages than that one.
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18:08<stderr>Like -pae and so on for i386.
18:09<amdp>following stderr advice I should aptitude install and tell the command a kernel
18:09<valdyn>amdp: "aptitude install linux-image-amd64"
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18:09<amdp>ok so it is going to get the right one directly?
18:09<stderr>amdp: apt-cache search linux-image- Find one that sounds "right" for you. :-)
18:10<valdyn>amdp: yes
18:10<amdp>there's only one valid
18:11<amdp>others are headers, debugging, dummy packages etc
18:11<stderr>Easy choice then...
18:11<amdp>I ran valdyn command
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18:12<stderr>You'll probably need grub too.
18:12<amdp>everything is going smoothly this time
18:13<Fenhl>hello. I'm looking to install Debian on a machine which is supposed to only ever show a single webpage in fullscreen (after ssh is set up). Do I need to install a desktop environment like GNOME for this?
18:13<amdp>it came with a blue screen
18:13<valdyn>Fenhl: no
18:13<amdp>saying I'm moving from linux 2.6 to 3.2
18:13<valdyn>amdp: grub is probably blue by default
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18:14<amdp>no in aptitude
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18:14<sney>debconf, baby
18:14<Fenhl>valdyn: so I can install without a desktop environment and will be able to open the webpage later?
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18:15<Fenhl>oh and also the screen should be rotated 90°, but if all else fails I can do that with CSS transforms
18:15<valdyn>Fenhl: you need X and you need a webbrowser.
18:15<Fenhl>sounds easy enough, thanks
18:15<amdp>this is what is telling me
18:16<valdyn>though maybe impractical your webbrowser in X can run fine without a desktop environment and even without a window manager
18:16<Fenhl>it wouldn't be impractical for my purposes though, would it?
18:16<nHarzilei>transient windows might make working without a window manager unpleasant though
18:16<Fenhl>nHarzilei: what's that?
18:16<nHarzilei>popups and the like
18:17<valdyn>or a file save/open dialogue
18:17<Fenhl>I write the webpage, so can avoid that
18:17<Fenhl>it's just a status board
18:17<stderr>amdp: You might need some firmware for your network interface, that's all.
18:18<stderr>Fenhl: No keyboard on the machine?
18:18<Fenhl>stderr: not after setup
18:18<Fenhl>just ssh
18:19<Fenhl>also I haven't started writing the status board yet, so if there's a better alternative to a webpage let me know
18:20<Fenhl>but since I want styling and things like that, I figured that would be the way to go
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18:20<lokigr>i need to buy a usb hub (10 ports), can someone to recommend a compatible one? basically i found one manufactured by TRUST...:) but i do not know if it works with linux to prcced :)
18:20<amdp>ok aptitude ended
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18:20<stderr>Fenhl: A simple webpage was what we used as a status board where I used to work.
18:21<amdp>setting locale failed
18:21<amdp>should I set the locale up and run aptitude again?
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18:22<stderr>lokigr: As far as I know, you would have to break the USB standards for it NOT to work with Linux. So unless you buy pure crap, you should be fine.
18:23<lokigr>stdern i have alredy do this mistake
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18:24<lokigr>i bought greenasia from ebay/china:)
18:24<stderr>amdp: You didn't bind-mount /dev, did you? That's why it's warning you about /dev/pts.
18:24<stderr>lokigr: Ok, I'm surprised it didn't work.
18:25<amdp>I did
18:25<lokigr>any idea or link for compatible hardware would be welcome !thanks in advance
18:25<amdp>it tells me it's devtmpfs
18:27<amdp>I got three: /dev/sda2 on / with ext3, devtmpfs on /dev type devtmpfs and proc on proc type proc
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18:32<stderr>amdp: You might want to add non-free to you sources.list, install firmware-realtek and then remove non-free again. That's up to you. I don't know if that firmware is really needed or not.
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18:32<amdp>I just need a safe reboot
18:32<amdp>I mean
18:32<amdp>a safe boot
18:33<stderr>I don't even know if that's the right firmware package for r8169. :-)
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18:36<amdp>I'll check what kind of firmware I need
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18:37<SOUL_OF_R00T>anyone known why the shutdown option of gnome user menu disapear rest only close session option ? any advice are welcome ! ?
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18:47<amdp>seems like
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18:53<amdp>dmesg is very verbose
18:54<amdp>is there a way to find out which firmware is needed?
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18:55<amdp>and.. do you guys think I should issue aptitude again?
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18:57<amdp>hmm every good man here left : )
18:59<amdp>this is the card specification
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19:00<themill>did you install that firmware package?
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19:01<Sagi>hmm, I get apt-get to segfault when I try to install jitsi/unstable
19:01<amdp>not yet themill
19:02<Sagi>what kind of information should I collect in order to report this? (assuming this is not expected behaviour :)
19:02<amdp>I am not an expert and I am going slowly : )
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19:03<amdp>themill: is it ok to run aptitude install linux-image-amd64 twice?
19:04<themill>sure. It shouldn't do anything the second time
19:04<amdp>this is what happened the first one
19:04<amdp>locales is not a problem, I installed it
19:04<Fenhl>Intel Core 2 Duo processors are amd64, right?
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19:05<valdyn>Fenhl: yes
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19:07<amdp>should I install the firmware even if it is non-free ?
19:08<themill>if your hardware needs it, do you have a choice?
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19:12<amdp>nope : )
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19:12<amdp>going to set non-free then in sources.list
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19:28<amdp>if dmesg says r8169 0000:01:00.0: firmware: requesting rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw
19:28<amdp>is rtl8168d-1.fw the one I need?
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19:30<stderr>amdp: * Realtek RTL8111D-1/RTL8168D-1 firmware (rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw)
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19:31<stderr>amdp: firmware-realtek is the package you want.
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19:33<amdp>Warning: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory
19:33<amdp>is this ok?
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19:35<stderr>amdp: /proc was mounted, right?
19:36<amdp>yes, mount gives me this out: /dev/sda2 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=continue,barrier=1,data=ordered) devtmpfs on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,relatime,size=944212k,nr_inodes=236053,mode=755)proc on /proc type proc (rw,relatime)
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19:37<amdp>how do I check if the ethernet is properly installed?
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19:39<stderr>Did you get any other warnings when you installed it?
19:39<amdp>Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)
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19:40<amdp>if I type mount logging in in the centos there's also a sysfs on /sys and a none on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw)
19:40<stderr>amdp: Probably because you're using an old Centos kernel at the moment.
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19:41<stderr>I mean, the /dev/pts thing...
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19:41<amdp>should I edit the grub conf?
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19:43<amdp>and ssh server?
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19:43<stderr>Did you install openssh-server?
19:44<stderr>Do that...
19:44<amdp>doing it
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19:55<amdp>anybody can help me in setting up the grub?
19:56<oregonic>what are you attempting to do
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19:58<stderr>oregonic: Booting from /dev/sda2 instead of /dev/sda1
19:58<amdp>I have installed a debian debootstrap
19:58<amdp>in dev/sda2
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19:58<amdp>I should put two grub options
19:59<amdp>and set the standard boot in the sda2
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20:00<amdp>now the directory containing the debootstrap is /mnt/debian/
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20:00<amdp>but I need to have also the old system boot option in case something does not work
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20:13<amdp>this is the fstab
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20:15<eightyseven>good evening folks, I am having a little problem with my laptop's backlight under wheezy, is anyone available to help?
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20:16<stderr>Just ask. If someone can help, they will.
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20:18<eightyseven>Well, I'm on a Compaq CQ58. I have hotkeys for screen brightness, and when I press them a brightness meter appears on screen, and changes with key press but the backlight does not change
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20:19<eightyseven>I've been googling for a few hours now, tried xbacklight, armada-brightness (or something like that) and even editing the acpi_video0 brightness file
20:20<eightyseven>nothing will change the brightness of the screen, and it's b.r.i.g.h.t
20:20<stderr>eightyeight: Try running xev and see if it gives any output when you press those keys.
20:21<eightyseven>sure does, am I looking for something specific?
20:23<stderr>I just wondered if the system would detect those keys or if it some build-in hardware thing.
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20:23<eightyseven>yeah the system is definitely recognizing that they are brightness hotkeys
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20:24<eightyseven>i get an actual brightness meter showing up, that changes when i press less or more, yet the actual brightness doesn't change
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20:24<stderr>That OSD could be a hardware thing.
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20:25<eightyseven>oh yeah, I recently replaced the screen. Could that have something to do with it? i.e. I didn't seat the connector properly
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20:27<stderr>eightyeight: Can you run this command? find /sys/ -name actual_brightness
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20:31<eightyseven>stderr I ran it but got no such file or directory
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20:31<eightyseven>I've checked the max and actual brightness, both were set to 15. i changed the actual to 5 to no avail
20:31<stderr>You don't have /sys?
20:31<eightyseven>I have sys, just no 'actual_brightness' apparently
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20:40<stderr>eightyeight: Ok. I don't have any other ideas...
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20:40<eightyseven>alright, thanks for trying! i'm reading some stuff now about how it may be a hardware issue.
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21:06<locsmif>Hi all. Trying to verify debian's SHA512SUMS with SHA512SUMS.sign .. but for some reason I keep doing it wrong. The error I get is: "gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found" .. but I did import the Debian Live Signing Key (2013)
21:10<gyx>did gpg give you a hex string? that is the id of the key you need
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21:11<oregonic>what is EFI and is it worth learning about?
21:11<dpkg>Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>.
21:12<amdp>hi everyone again
21:12<oregonic>is my new live debian wheezy xfce thumbdrive support EFI?
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21:13<amdp>I am following this guide to boot on sda2 with a debootstrap
21:13<amdp>inside a centos on sda1
21:14<amdp>anybody who can help me out?
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21:18<amdp>hmm ok thanks : ) I'll go to sleep :)
21:18<locsmif>gyx: yeah I switched on more verbosity and it gave me the key id I needed, which I then imported (it was the older one), and then verification succeeded...
21:19<musca>oregonic: i dont own an EFi-system (yet). EFI often seems to be combined with GPT partitioning scheme.
21:19<dpkg>GPT (GUID Partition Table) is a disk partition format frequently used by firmware compliant with the Extensible Firmware Interface (<EFI>). util-linux's <fdisk> does not support GPT, ask me about <parted>.
21:19<gyx>locsmif: yes, that depends on which version you are verifying
21:21<musca>oregonic: special questions will arise if you plan to dualboot with a windows that was installed in EFI-mode.
21:21<locsmif>gyx: stable
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21:22<dpkg>hello, d3c0
21:22<locsmif>musca: hey ;)
21:22<musca>hey locsmif :)
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21:23<d3c0>what is the good way to do backup to potgreSQL ?
21:23<locsmif>d3c0: from where?
21:23<d3c0>from shell
21:23<oregonic>thanks musca
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21:24<musca>yw oregonic
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21:24<locsmif>d3c0: so you essentially wish to create a backup of a PostgreSQL database from the commandline, correct?
21:25<gyx>locsmif: that's reasonable, every stable release comes with some new keys
21:25<locsmif>ok, no idea
21:25<d3c0>pg_dump somethig else..
21:26<locsmif>d3c0: I'm not familiar with PostgreSQL specifically but presumably it has a dump utility, otherwise there's usually a way from the CLI SQL client
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21:27<stderr>d3c0: pg_dump og pg_dumpall
21:27<stderr>Are you trying to dump one database or all of them?
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21:28*locsmif thinks that means "all"
21:29<stderr>I couldn't parse it...
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21:30<locsmif>d3c0: well, the "good" way depends on the answer to the question stderr asked, apart from that the "good" way is described in detail in the link above.
21:31<d3c0>ome database
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21:32<d3c0>yes I know about the link, sorry stderr I was in other desktop I didnt realize your question!!
21:33<stderr>Then pg_dump is your friend. Read the man page.
21:34<stderr>And maybe that link. I would find one for 9.1 instead, if that's what you got.
21:34<d3c0>thx, on mysql is more easy xD
21:34<themill>no, backups on mysql are anything but easy
21:35<stderr>It's easier if you don't want a backup that works... :-)
21:36<dualbus>why? I use mysqldump with locktables and it «seems» to work, although I'm interested in knowing the caveats, to be prepared and not lose my job :D
21:36<themill>encoding and collation
21:37<dualbus>themill: ohh... do it doesn't respect encoding? (I'm not sure how collation affects though)
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21:38<themill>dualbus: mysql and encodings are pretty stuffed at the best of times. Most mysql databases out there have the wrong encodings set on them and then mysqldump makes up its own setting as does the mysql client for restoring them and then you suddenly have an incomplete backup that can't be restored.
21:39<stderr>dualbus: At least you're not using "cp" like some people... :-/
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21:39<dualbus>stderr: people cp the actual storage files? ugh
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21:40<dualbus>themill: Uhm, I get it.
21:40<themill>The collation bites you when you have declared columns to be a primary key (or some other sort of unique constraint) and then you import with a different collation (and/or encoding) to what was originally in the db and suddenly things get transliterated or are otherwise declared to be the same in the collation and you now have duplicate primary keys
21:40<dualbus>At least I think that since the apps that use these databases work with UTF-8 I don't expect to be an issue... unless a client sends Latin1
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21:41<themill>It's always interesting to see if the db connection/column/table is set to use utf-8 as well. mysql will sadly shove any bytes into the db
21:42<d3c0>thankd guys!!
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21:42<dualbus>themill: hehe, now I know what I should check for tomorrow morning :) I was really confident on my automated backup scripts, trusting completely on mysqldump doing its job.
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21:43<dualbus>themill: thanks by the way.
21:43<themill>If the application layer was well designed and the db set up properly, then it should be ok
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21:44<dualbus>well, the application layer works with codeigniter, I'm also trusting it to do the right thing in this regard.
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23:11<marshall_>hello, how can I uninstall all of the pre-installed games, empathy, rhythmbox, cheese, and all of the other crap that comes with debian safely?
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23:15<machete>have you tried apt-get?
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23:16<themill>btw that's not "crap that comes with debian" but "packages you chose to install"
23:17<machete>I suppose he's refering to pre-installed packages
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23:17<marshall_>apt-get will remove gnome core on the next install or remove
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23:19<machete>why don't you remove each package one-by-one?
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23:20<Arrowmaster>because the gnome package depends on all of them
23:20<themill>marshall_: sounds like you either want to select a different desktop environment at install time or perhaps even avoid selecting any of them
23:21<marshall_>i want gnome, just not the games or the forced email clients and such
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23:22<dcraig>have you tried the games? I remember some of them being fun
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23:29<topcyde>marshall_: are you cramped for disk space?
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23:32<machete>never heard of a desktop environment imposing specific programs on the user
23:32<themill>!remove rhythmbox
23:32<dpkg>To remove rhythmbox without removing the rest of gnome, mark the dependencies of gnome as being manually installed (see <unmarkauto>). The gnome <metapackage> will still be uninstalled. aptitude unmarkauto '~R^gnome$' '~RRecommends:^gnome$'; aptitude remove rhythmbox
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23:33<themill>marshall_: ^^ repeat for each program you want to remove. Note that some are actually sufficiently tightly embedded into gnome that you will struggle to remove them (like evolution-data-server)
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23:33<machete>either that or you can edit the desktop files in order to hide those programs from the desktop menu
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23:36<marshall_>would they hidden on the thing you see when you press the super key?
23:36<marshall_>what do you call that?
23:37<machete>that's it marshall
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23:37<machete>check out /usr/share/applications
23:38<machete>it's a directory full of *.desktop files.
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23:39<marshall_>what is the UI called when you press super?
23:40<machete>the menu? I guess
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23:40<machete>its a list of applications sorted by category
23:40<marshall_>is what i run in the terminal to remove stuff? aptitude unmarkauto '~R^gnome$' '~RRecommends:^gnome$'; aptitude remove rhythmbox
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23:41<machete>you're running GNOME3 i guess
23:42<themill>marshall_: the first command prevents subsequent autoremovals that you were describing earlier; the second command actually removes the rhythmbox package
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23:42<marshall_>ok thanks
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23:44<marshall_>i guess i am going to go reinstall debian then...
23:44<machete>personally, I would recommend Xfce
23:44<marshall_>i messed up gnome
23:45<marshall_>it is easier to reinstall
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