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02:42<vjacob>hiya. i am trying to install a 'vlc' package off packages.debian.org with gdebi to easily include a more modern version of vlc among my video apps. I was told that using gdebi was more adviseable than trying to add sid as a source in apt/sources.list... only trouble is gdebi wont let me install the i386 (I am on amd64), and I'd really like to use the i386 version - any ideas?
02:42<vjacob>I guess I could just download the source
02:43<jm_>did you configure multi-arch?
02:43<vjacob>but I really do not want to loose out on any debian changes if possible
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02:43<vjacob>no idea how to do that
02:43<jm_>!multiarch howto
02:43<dpkg>it has been said that multiarch howto is http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO
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02:43<vjacob>jm_, should I just google "debian multi-arch" ? :)
02:43<vjacob>ok, looking
02:44<vjacob>cool, it looks straight forward
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02:47<vjacob>thanks jm
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02:47<vjacob>so I just read this http://slashdot.org/story/13/06/14/0219213/debian-says-remove-unofficial-debian-multimediaorg-repository-from-your-sources and I am wondering how I can check which packages that I might have installed from that repository? Note that I have just commented out the line in sources.list and done an 'apt-get update'
02:47<jm_>no worries
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02:47<jm_>!which repo
02:47<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list>
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02:49<vjacob>looks like nothing was installed from there...
02:49<vjacob>odd
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02:51<jm_>you might try putting sources.list entries back
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02:54<vjacob>ok
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02:54<vjacob>looks like vlc will have to be built from source, since even unstable does not have 2.1
02:54<vjacob>thanks for the fish for now.
02:54<vjacob>jm_, no change with it back in
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02:56<jm_>vjacob: so you most likely have nothing from there then
02:56<jm_>unstable has 2.1
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02:56<vjacob>oops :)
02:57<vjacob>must have looked at the wrong information source :)
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03:10<xattr>does somebody know how I can delete a specific file on a remote ftp server using a console command?
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03:16<althaser>xattr rm file ? :P
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03:18<xattr>nope
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03:18<valdyn>!fgi xattr "ftp delete file"
03:18<dpkg>xattr: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query="ftp delete file"
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03:19<valdyn>dam
03:19<valdyn>xattr: that link doesnt work, just google your question
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03:22<xattr>I googled it already... wtf is wrong with you!? the scripts I found didnt answered my question.
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03:24<jm_>yeah we can definitely read your mind
03:26<male>Hi All, I have some number of users who can use apt-get aptitude via sudo to install stuff from the repositories, is it safe to give sudo permissions for pip to install python modules? or is there a way to use any of python things like pip, easy_install, pypy to install modules locally in user's home and not in the system ?
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03:28<nadir>is there something like python-brew ? similar to perlbrew? Shooting in the dark.
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03:28<TobiX>xattr: lftp is scriptable... Or maybe you want to write a ruby/python/perl script to do it?
03:29<TobiX>nadir: virtualenv
03:29<nadir>what do you mean, virtualenv?
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03:30<TobiX>nadir: "virtualenv is a tool to create isolated Python environments."
03:31<male>TobiX; thanks, interesting
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03:31<jm_>ftp can be used to do the same using netrc file
03:31<nadir>TobiX: ah.
03:32<TobiX>nadir: Just install python-virtualenv - after that users can use the virtualenv command to create local python environments
03:32<xattr>TobiX awesome tip! thx! lftp is doing what I want
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03:33<male>btw, is it ok to install python modules using pip,pypy and so on ? it does not look look like a Debain way to install stuff, and if one runs pip install --upgrade $module than the package is upgraded but what happens with already installed $module ?
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03:39<TobiX>male: It will probably do bad things[tm] - but I don't know Python packaging internals, so I don't know what exactly will happen...
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03:42<male>TobiX: it would be clever to have a special place for such modules, so the new stuff don't interfere with packaged modules but have preference
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03:46<male>TobiX: but virtualenv seem to be the tool I was looking for!
03:46<TobiX>male: Well, new packages are installed into /usr/local (tested: "error: could not create '/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/httpie': Permission denied") - so they will not mess with the system libs...
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03:47<male>TobiX: I see, I somehow overlooked that :)
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04:10<male>Ok, another question, is there any danger in giving permission to use sudo pip ?
04:11<male>like with apt-get/aptitude it is fine, as repositories are defined in source.lists and we trust them
04:12<male>but with pip one can install stuff from his own git repository for example
04:12<male>is there a potential danger ? I somehow can't imagine any
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04:13<themill>male: pip is a great way of making a mess of the entirety of your python-using packages
04:13<SynrG>own packages can do arbitrary things at install, including open a root shell
04:14<SynrG>unless pip somehow prevents that?
04:14<male>I see
04:15<themill>so yeah, you have uncontrolled privilege escalation here as well as the ability to break any python-related package
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04:15<jned>I have two deb installs, 1st on external esata and 2nd on internal hdd, but since second install I cant boot esata
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04:15<themill>male: Perhaps virtualenv would be something useful for you -- at least then the user can only break their own python environment
04:16<male>SynrG. themil, thanks, yes, I will go with virtualenv I think
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04:18<jm_>jned: why not?
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04:19<olasd>sudo pip is a really bad idea, and you shouldn't ever need it
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04:19<olasd>pip as a user, either in .local or in a virtualenv, is fine
04:20<jned>jm_, not sure, it always boots the internal hdd. When I go into bios, I set only 1 boot device, usb hdd, but it still boots the internal hdd. I don't think the esata is an usb hdd though so I get why its not booting that, but don't see an option for external estat
04:20<jned>external esata i mean
04:20<themill>olasd: Well, you can still render packaged python apps and modules unusable, but it's at least your own problem then and not system-wide
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04:21<jm_>jned: well that indicates a BIOS issue, does it detect both drives? does your bios give you a choice of boot menu?
04:22<jned>jm_, yeah its a bios issue, true, i can't figure out how to set it to boot esata, but it can do it on its own. I mean as I mentioned, before the hdd had a deb install it would boot the esata
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04:23<jm_>jned: also, do you see both disks in grub?
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04:24<jned>no grub only shows the internal system because I unplugged the esata when I installed on the internal hdd. Hehe, that was my mistake
04:24<jned>i guess I could do it now eh
04:24<jned>jm_, thx, dunno why I didn't think of it
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04:26<jm_>jned: with grub I didn't mean if you see it in the menu
04:27<jned>jm_, oh, what did you mean?
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04:28<jm_>jned: go into its shell and type ls (<tab><tab> it should list all devices
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04:30<jned>jm_, as root right? do you recall the command to go into grub shell?
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04:31<jm_>jned: no, you do this in grub, not as root - it tells you the keys at the bottom or just press escape or somesuch
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04:31<jm_>maybe it calls it interactive mode
04:31<jned>jm_, oooh, like when I boot up and the grub menu comes up
04:32<jm_>jned: indeed
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04:32<jm_>or command line mode
04:32<jm_>also answer all my questions I aasked earlier
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04:34<jned>jm_, I only see the 1...do you see both disks in grub?
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04:35<jned>jm_, thx for your help
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04:36<jm_>jned: I haven't really used esata much and certainly not for booting from it - how about my other questions?
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04:38<jned>jm_, Yes it detects both drives
04:38<jned>i see all drives once I booted into my system
04:39<jned>jm_, its not an issue now, cause I don't need to boot into esata anymore
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04:39<jm_>jned: hmm in that case I would try to disconnect internal drive and see if it works that way, that might indicate you need a different grub.cfg file
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04:42<jned>jm_, its ok now, cause I just needed to copy some files, and I was doing it from the esata system, cause the internal drive was giving a lot of i/o errors, but I ran e2fsck and now it seems to be fine, so I still lost the data probably but not so many i/o errors. Anyway, I am transferring the files from within the internal hdd deb system and its working fine. Thx again jm_ , you've helped me again and again. I really appreciate it. This cha
04:42<jned>nnel rules
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04:42<jm_>jned: no worries
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04:47<jned>what's the faster file transfer method between two debian systems, ssh?
04:48<stdhell>jned: nc might be faster as you don't have to spend time encrypting and decrypting.
04:48<jm_>jned: what kind of CPU/net speed do you have?
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04:49<jned>jm_, both systems are connected to router, so 192 prv nets. File sender's cpu is only 2ghz and receiver is AMD Phenom II X2 555
04:50<jned>I guess the amd is 2 cores at 800mhz
04:50<stdhell>10/100/1000 Mbit/s?
04:50<jm_>jned: so 100Mbps?
04:51<jned>jm_, probably, is there a way I can tell, by looking at the router eh. its dlink
04:51<jm_>jned: check your nic link speed, mii-tool eth0
04:52<stdhell>... on both machines.
04:52<jned>jm_, cool, says 100baseTx-FD
04:52<jned>other systems says same thing
04:52<ixi>what speed do you get ?
04:53<jm_>jned: then ssh would be OK, you won't get a slowdown, I recommend rsync
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04:53<jned>jm_, yeah, might as well try rsync
04:54<jm_>I use different ssh cipher for slower systems, that way even my atom can do over 20MB/s
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04:54<ixi>20 MB/s over 100mbit networks?
04:54<jm_>(taking about LAN)
04:54<jm_>naah, I have gigabit
04:54<ixi>ah ok
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07:38<vjacob>hiya. how come when I try to do: "apt-get install fonts-freefont-ttf:i386", I get this error:
07:38<vjacob>"Package fonts-freefont-ttf:i386 is not available, but is referred to by another package."
07:39<vjacob>(but at the same time there is no fonts-freefont-ttf:i386 because there is only fonts-freefont-ttf:all !?)
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07:40<vjacob>I am told that this package is supposed to exist by vlc:i386, giving this dependency: " vlc:i386 : Depends: fonts-freefont-ttf:i386 but it is not installable"
07:40<jm_>why would you install a font package for i386 arch anyway? font packages arch independent
07:40<vjacob>agreed.
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07:40<themill>why are you specifically asking for the :i386 version?
07:40<vjacob>but vlc:i386 asks for it
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07:40<themill>What's the native arch of this machine?
07:41<vjacob>because there is an rtsp incompatibility with live555 demux
07:41<vjacob>amd64
07:41<vjacob>and I am told that i386 versions do not exhibit this problem, so I'd like to try that out
07:41<vjacob>another indication is that this has to do with the version of vlc
07:41<themill>I doubt you can get that to work at present. You'd need an i386 chroot for that.
07:42<vjacob>themill, what is that?
07:42<jm_>heh I managed to install i386 iceweasel on amd64 but then went for chroot option
07:42<jm_>it's a bit of a hack for binaries now
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07:43<vjacob>I thought this multi-arch was supposed to do the trick?! ;)
07:43<vjacob>argh
07:43<jm_>it does for libraries
07:43<jm_>binaries can be PITA for now
07:43<vjacob>well, this vlc:i386 issue just seems silly
07:43<jm_>(as in packaged binaries)
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07:44<vjacob>I mean fonts are arch independent
07:44<vjacob>what is going on with that...
07:44<vjacob>I see
07:45<vjacob>clean up time.
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07:45<themill>!debootstrap
07:45<dpkg>debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap
07:45<jm_>that almost looks like a bug in apt
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07:46<SynrG>but we know that can't be, as apt is Bug Free. every line of code was spoken by the gods to the developers and then faithfully transcribed.
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07:47<themill>jm_: there is discussion about whether arch:all packages should be automatically M-A:same or not. It's a clumsy hack to make them so but it's also the fastest way of getting there.
07:47<jm_>themill: yeah I agree
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07:48<vjacob>hmm.
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07:57*vjacob looks for the religious doctrine for apt
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08:03<SynrG>vjacob: old enough to remember apt was initially named deity? :)
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08:04<SynrG>but i digress. followups to #debian-offtopic
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08:05<bea>question: making default (i.e. for all users) settings for icedove, specifically userchrome: /etc/icedove/profile/chrome/userChrome.css was ignored. is there a way to do this? because for iceweasel, putting things in /etc/iceweasel/profile works
08:06<bea>tldr; how do i change default settings for icedove?
08:06<vjacob>SynrG, I do not remember that at all, but I suppose I should :)
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08:06<SynrG>did the user have their own profile prior to first use of the new default?
08:07<bea>SynrG: no
08:07<SynrG>bea: i'm not sure if those are used each time the program starts or just establish a default profile on first use
08:07<bea>SynrG: i deleted ~/.icedove, that's not it
08:07<SynrG>permissions?
08:08<bea>SynrG: checked that, no
08:08<bea>btw, there *is* an existing /etc/icedove/pref dir, but no /etc/icedove/profile dir, iceweasel has both
08:08<SynrG>hmm
08:09<bea>and i guessed that userchrome.css goes to profile, not pref
08:09<bea>so i created profile
08:10<SynrG>bea: icedove doc is very scanty. maybe you can find help upstream?
08:10<SynrG>i doubt if debian diverges here from what upstream does with configs
08:10<SynrG>(except re. the rename)
08:10<bea>SynrG: hm, where would upstream be in that case? thunderbird? aren't config dirs in /etc distro specific?
08:11<SynrG>debian does not make changes to how /etc is handled except where justified by integration concerns
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08:11<SynrG>and then such concerns/changes should be documented.
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08:11<SynrG>they aren't, so i assume debian just follows suit with thunderbird upstream.
08:12<bea>SynrG: thanks, looking through mozilla documentation, maybe i'll find something
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08:12<SynrG>vjacob: 1997 i think? but the first public release was under the (unoffensive) new name 'apt'
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08:13<SynrG>not everyone shared the developers' sense of humour
08:13<vjacob>':)
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08:14<vjacob>people sometimes have more consideration for the opinions of others, than can be easily dissected and explained :)
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08:15<Con>Gibt es dabei einen Grieche?
08:15<SynrG>!de
08:15<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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08:20<maxy>SynrG: I think Con was looking for someone to speak in greek, or maybe to have an euro economy discussion. :)
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08:20<SynrG>beats me. OT for here regardless. i just gave the standard response :p
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08:48<Blizzbob>i am searching for the "login" source code. I already searched in ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/ but i didn't find the code
08:49<SynrG>Blizzbob: binary package names don't necessarily match source package names
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08:49<SynrG>Blizzbob: apt-cache showsrc login
08:50<Blizzbob>SynrG: thats what i wanted to to next ...
08:50<Blizzbob>SynrG: thx
08:50<SynrG>Blizzbob: that works where you already know the binary package name (if you only know the name of the binary itself, not the package it's in, you find the binary with dpkg -S /bin/login which shows it's in the 'login' binary package)
08:51<SynrG>much better than guessing :)
08:52<Blizzbob>SynrG: thank you
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08:55<bea>SynrG: btw, i found it through trial and error: file goes to /usr/share/icedove/defaults, not /etc/icedove
08:56<bea>a bit inconsistent with iceweasel here
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09:00<SynrG>bea: is there a symlink from etc?
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09:01<bea>/usr/share/icedove/defaults/syspref: symbolic link to `/etc/icedove/pref'
09:01<SynrG>conf files don't belong in usr. that's a violation of Debian policy
09:01<bea>which explains why pref worked, but profile didn't
09:02<SynrG>i see
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09:02<bea>for iceweasel, it's the same, only both syspref and profile are links to /etc
09:02<SynrG>er, i should've said *to* etc as you've shown :-)
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09:03<SynrG>nodnod
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09:04<SynrG>i think maybe this is a doc bug then
09:05<bea>SynrG: well, there isn't really andy doc that said it would be in /etc, i just assumed
09:05<SynrG>check if one exists and update it if you have anything to add ...
09:06<SynrG>man pages have a place for FILES
09:06<bea>SynrG: wouldn't it be better to add a symlink for profile, as with iceweasel?
09:06<bea>if, as you said, config belongs in /etc
09:06<SynrG>or README.Debian at least
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09:08<SynrG>hmmm ... yeah. so there really is no way to do this without an additional symlink
09:08<SynrG>check for a bug on that issue
09:08<SynrG>bugs.debiam.orh/icedove
09:08<SynrG>org
09:09<SynrG>blah. tablet
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09:14<usrnix>what is the command to setup sources.list with mirrors? after an os install has network issues and it isn't populated
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09:23<petn-randall>I found the last line is only ':' in /etc/init.d/skeleton. Does anyone know what that does in dash?
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09:29<themill>petn-randall: : is a noop in posix sh
09:29<themill>well -- it returns true.
09:29<petn-randall>themill: Does it .. yeah, that's what I guessed.
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09:30<petn-randall>themill: thanks for the info.
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09:37<jned>is there a new version of this: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/140
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10:03<petn-randall>jned: I personally use postfix, so I can't say if it's current or not. I'd just try it if you can't find a more current howto. And if you get stuck ask here.
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10:07<jned>petn-randall, thx, can you get through gmail, hotmail, and yahoo? I am getting blocked by gmail, and spam/junk filtered
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10:07<petn-randall>jned: Yes, I can send and receive mail ito gmail, hotmail and yahoo, if that's what you mean.
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10:08<petn-randall>jned: Maybe you're on a DNSBL because you misconfigured your mail server?
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10:09<jned>petn-randall, hmm, do you know how to see if you are on blacklist. I have two servers. They have same config except one is using ssl. I can get through gmail and yahoo with the ssl, and hotmail goes to junk. without ssl server goes to junk/spam and gmail blocks it
10:10<jned>but when I checked one supposed blacklist directory, both my ip's were on there
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10:11<Ronjoe>Hi, my inner ear has fluid in it, and I don't know how to clear it. I tried `head -n 200 /dev/zero > /dev/ear0`, but the ear doesn't seem to be responding. I tried finding source code to see why this behaviour happens, but the developer is a little slow to respond to prayer.
10:11<Ronjoe>Now, my actual issue: I'm maintaining a local apt repository for a bunch of sources I built from a github
10:11<petn-randall>jned: What do you mean with 'get through'? You can send mail via SMTP? Or via authentication?
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10:12<petn-randall>Ronjoe: /dev/ear0 isn't in stable. Check #debian-next, or better #debian-offtopic for that.
10:12<Ronjoe>I'd like to sign the packages so that apt stops warning me every time I install one of these packages
10:12<Ronjoe>oh k, thanks
10:13<Ronjoe>(Pardon that, I said it to get a good laugh before asking for RTFM-type support)
10:13<jned>petn-randall, i am trying to config exim as internet site mail server both cases, so when I say gets through, I mean I see the mail in my inbox, by blocked I mean error 550, and spam/junk I mean the mail gets through but get filtered to those boxes instead of inbox
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10:13<Ronjoe>Does anyone know what sort of manual I should be reading to authenticate my own packages?
10:14<veindrain>guys i got a fresh installation problem: i got sda/b/c as /home in raid 5. then i have sdd as root, swap and /boot disk. at the last steps of the installation i get the "install at mbr" prompt and i say no because i want to install grub in sdd instead of sda but manually adding the path returns error. no lvm is invoked in any disk. any directions?
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10:16<petn-randall>veindrain: You usually want to install grub to all disks. Have you made sure /dev/sdd is your SDD?
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10:16<petn-randall>jned: If you're on DNSBL you've got a big problem. You should find out why you're on some DNSBL and make an effort to get off of them.
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10:17<jned>petn-randall, do you know of a directory of dnsbl to check if I am on it?
10:17<veindrain>went back to the partition stage to see the drives once more
10:18<veindrain>sda sdb sdc are raid5 with md
10:18<veindrain>and have /home as mount point
10:18<veindrain>sdd1 is /boot then 2 is swap and 3 is /
10:20<Ronjoe>Ideally you want grub installed to your boot drive, ie the first drive that your BIOS looks at
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10:20<Ronjoe>in most cases, this will be /dev/sda
10:20<veindrain>thats the problem
10:20<Ronjoe>but for redundancy, it's also a good idea do also put it on other drives, like your raid-stripes
10:21<Ronjoe>not sure what install media you have, but it's an option to skip grub installation and install it manually later
10:21<Ronjoe>ie, live environment
10:22<Ronjoe>using `sudo grub-install /dev/sdd`
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10:22<veindrain>well
10:22<jned>I tried http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/140 and then sent an email to myself but it got rejected
10:22<petn-randall>veindrain: Did you set the RAID5 directly on /dev/sd[a-c]? Or did you create partitions and used them as RAID devices?
10:22<veindrain>thats a viable option i guess
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10:24<veindrain>at petn: under all 3 drives in the partitioner i chose "use as raid volume" then tied them all up with md as one big volume
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10:29<petn-randall>veindrain: Other people may have differing opinions, but your approach has two disadvantages: You won't be able to install a boot loader to those disks, and if you ever plug in those drives to another machine, you won't recognize them as RAID5 members, unless you have mdadm installed. Thus IMHO it's safer to create partitions first to use them as RAID members.
10:29<petn-randall>jned: Provide some logs please.
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10:30<jned>petn-randall, it reaches the server but the server rejects it.550 relay not permitted
10:31<petn-randall>jned: Paste the actual logs to http://paste.debian.net, a description won't help much here.
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10:33<jned>2013-11-06 10:32:43 H=mail-ea0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169] F=<nadeem.elahi@gmail.com> rejected RCPT <jmmy@jmmywebworks.com>: relay not permitted
10:34<veindrain>petn: do u have a link on that? i think i get what u mean
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10:35<jned>http://paste.debian.net/64333/
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10:39<petn-randall>veindrain: it's petn-randall, you can type petn<tab>. Otherwise my name won't get highlighted.
10:40<dualbus>jned: is your /etc/mailname jmmywebworks.com?
10:40<dualbus>(or your /etc/hostname)
10:40<dualbus>or whatever file holds that configuration for yoour mailer.
10:41<petn-randall>jned: The actual log from your mail server is the important one. We don't even know if google is trying *your* mail server yet.
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10:41<jned>dualbus, no, it is something else
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10:42<jned>petn-randall, It was just a 1 liner, in /var/log/exim4/mainlog
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10:43<veindrain>petn-randall: ah sorry got it
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10:44<jned>i will try again this time using this howto: http://n3mesisfixx.blogspot.ca/2013/07/configuring-exim4-to-route-to-many.html
10:45<petn-randall>veindrain: No prob.
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10:46<petn-randall>jned: Then your mail server isn't configured to accept mail for jmmywebworks.com yet, though the DNS and everything else seems to work. At least you're not running an open relay ;)
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10:51<jned>petn-randall, thx
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10:56<petn-randall>veindrain: I don't have a link for that. There's not much more to say.
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11:11<ayaka>I have a problem with wpa_supplicant, it can't connect, I use /etc/network/interface to config network, it told me that no network configuration found for the currect ap
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11:13<SynrG>ayaka: we need to see your /etc/network/interfaces, and any relevant material from /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf (with passwords removed of course)
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11:15<Blizzbob>after the command ls -l, does the the number before the date show the amount of bits/bytes ??
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11:16<ayaka>SynrG I don't I need to modify wpa_supplicant.conf
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11:16<ayaka>well, another problem, how to stop wpa_supplicant, systemctl can't do it
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11:19<stderr>Blizzbob: For files, yes.
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11:20<SynrG>ayaka: i use roaming so it is different for me. i assume it is just with ifdown eth# for you
11:20<Blizzbob>stderr : thx
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11:20<SynrG>ayaka: but you are not sharing your config file, so we are reduced to guesses. chances are good we won't be able to help.
11:20<ayaka>SynrG https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSK_and_WPA2-PSK doesn't told me that I need to modify that file
11:21<SynrG>ayaka: that's a very inflexible way
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11:21<SynrG>did you read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz?
11:21<SynrG>that's where to start
11:21<SynrG>see section 3 "Roaming mode" which is the most flexible
11:22<ayaka>SynrG I want to set up wpa_supplicant manually but I can't stop or kill fully it
11:22<SynrG>ayaka: the wiki seems to describe "managed mode"
11:23<SynrG>i have no objections to you using that way. it's just not the way i use.
11:23<ayaka>I see
11:24<petn-randall>ayaka: If this is a laptop, I recommend using network-manager. Setting up Wi-Fi with /etc/network/interfaces is a lot of work.
11:24<ayaka>then you told me a way to stop wpa_supplicant
11:24<SynrG>take care with syntax. i don't think you are supposed to use quotes
11:24<SynrG>ayaka: ifdown wlan0
11:24<ayaka>petn-randall well, I don't use laptop
11:24<SynrG>or whatever the interface name is
11:24<ayaka>nousr
11:25<ayaka>no use
11:25<SynrG>well, like i said, i don't use this method so i can't confirm
11:25<ayaka>is there a way to know who call it?
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11:26<SynrG>ayaka: you could try wpa_action wlan0 stop
11:26<SynrG>(from the readme, but this describes it as being used with roaming)
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11:27<ayaka>SynrG no use, I wonder why systemctl can't stop it
11:28<ayaka>and once I killed it, another one will start
11:28<SynrG>ayaka: or you could make an if-down hook to killall wpa_supplicant ...
11:28<SynrG>oh
11:28*SynrG shrugs
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11:29<ayaka>SynrG yes, I have tried, no use
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11:29<ayaka>is there a way to know who call it?
11:29<SynrG>what problem are you trying to stop by killing it?
11:29<SynrG>solve, i mean
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11:31<SynrG>ayaka: anyway, which problem is more important? you started by saying you couldn't connect.
11:31<ayaka>start wpa_supplicant manually
11:31<SynrG>ayaka: and you still didn't show us your configuraiton
11:31<SynrG>configuration*
11:31<ayaka>well I find network-manage start it
11:31<SynrG>why does it matter? ifup and ifdown should start and stop wlan0. does it matter that wpa_supplicant still runs?
11:32<ayaka>SynrG sorry, I use my mobile to connect irc
11:32<ayaka>I don't know networkmanager is not managed
11:32<TobiX>ayaka: If you have NetworkManager, there is your culprit that is starting wpa_supplicant for you. Uninstall NetweokManage if you want to use ifup/ifdown only
11:33<ayaka>but once I stop it, I can stop wpa_supplicant too
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11:33<Fenhl>hey, I'm currently in the “Partition disks” section of the installer
11:33<SynrG>ayaka: where "it" is NetworkManager?
11:33<SynrG>but you say NM doesn't manage your wireless?
11:33<Fenhl>should I set the main system partition to bootable?
11:34<SynrG>that sounds like a bug in NM
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11:34<Fenhl>(it's currently off)
11:34<stderr>Fenhl: Mine isn't.
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11:34<SynrG>oh ...
11:34<SynrG>hmm. not necessarily
11:35<Fenhl>stderr: so it's not needed?
11:35<ayaka>SynrG sorry, could you make your question more clearer?
11:35<stderr>Nope.
11:35<Fenhl>k
11:35<SynrG>stating that you don't want *a particular* interface managed by NM doesn't mean you'll never want *any* (think USB pluggable) managed.
11:36<SynrG>ayaka: i had at first thought that *if* you have configured NM to not manage wlan0 *and* when NM is running wpa_supplicant cannot be stopped, but it can when NM is stopped, that is a bug in NM ... but that is not necessarily true.
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11:36<jned>ok gotta virtual hosts working, so I can receive mail to multiple domains, but how can I send from multiple domains
11:36<SynrG>ayaka: for the reason i just stated (NM may want to keep wpa_supplicant running always so that if *any* wireless is plugged in, it is ready to talk to)
11:36<jned>petn-randall, This one worked: http://n3mesisfixx.blogspot.ca/2013/07/configuring-exim4-to-route-to-many.html
11:36<SynrG>ayaka: so i retract my earlier questions.
11:37<SynrG>ayaka: i agree with TobiX that it is probably because NetworkManager is running that you can't kill it. NM will always restart it.
11:37<ayaka>SynrG maybe, I just config networkmanage to not managed ifupdown
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11:38<SynrG>i'm not sure if that would help
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11:38<SynrG>ayaka: but it doesn't hurt to try. you had it set to true?
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11:40<SynrG>ayaka: i think it might not help because of pluggable wireless devices. how is NM supposed to set them up if it doesn't have wpa_supplicant running? say, wlan1 or wlan2 ...
11:40<SynrG>something that is not in /etc/network/interfaces
11:40<SynrG>(now, you might not have such a device, but it couldn't possibly know that you won't suddenly decide to plug one in)
11:40<ayaka>Well, it is false here
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11:41<SynrG>ayaka: so if it really matters to you, you could simply shutdown network-manager. but i still don't understand why it matters.
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11:41<SynrG>ayaka: how does it help solve your original problem? you said you were having problems with /etc/network/interfaces (which you still haven't shared) working with a particular ap
11:41<ayaka>I have removed networkmanager just now, if you want to let me do some test, I am glad to help
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11:42<SynrG>very well. can you 'ifup wlan0' to connect to your configured network?
11:42<ayaka>yes, it solved the problem, once stop networkmanager
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11:42<ayaka>yes, now I can
11:42<SynrG>ok. as i say, i've never used NM + wpasupplicant this way. only with roaming.
11:43<ayaka>yes
11:43<ayaka>this way seems more easy
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11:46<ayaka>SynrG thank you
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11:47<ayaka>petn-randall, thank you
11:47<SynrG>ayaka: thank TobiX who suggested the solution :)
11:48<ayaka>thank you TobiX
11:48<Fenhl>okay, now at the “Software selection” screen, a couple of questions:
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11:48<ayaka>I am sorry to forget him
11:49<Fenhl>1) do I need the “Debian desktop environment” collection to run fullscreen X programs?
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11:49<petn-randall>Fenhl: Depending on your experience level, you could make it work with less.
11:50<petn-randall>Fenhl: Though the real question is what you're trying to achieve. We might help you better if you explain your plans.
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11:50<Fenhl>the key here is that I want to be able to start a full-screen web browser pointed at localhost via ssh
11:51<petn-randall>Fenhl: Without any desktop environment or window manager?
11:52<ayaka>but I still wonder that is there a monitor system that can know which start a proccess
11:52<Fenhl>petn-randall: I don't really care, as long as it does the job
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11:53<petn-randall>Fenhl: You could probably just install xserver-xorg by hand and get it to start via the command line. Though I'm a bit rusty on how to do that exactly. Maybe someone else knows.
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11:54<Fenhl>I hope someone in here can help me with that…
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11:58<Fenhl>2) I would like to set up a mail server which collects all received mail into a single mailbox, and can send mail for a single account through an SMTP relay. Can I do this with the “Mail server” collection?
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11:59<mju>Fenhl: You can always install the software you need later.
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12:03<Fenhl>mju: sure, but with my other Debian machine, I never got IMAP to work, so I want to make sure I get everything right this time
12:05<petn-randall>Fenhl: It won't run out of the box. You still need to actually configure it. And that's independent of if you install it now or later.
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12:06<Fenhl>alright, I hope I can get help with the configuration, really don't want to mess things up this time
12:07<mju>Fenhl: It does not make a difference if you install it now or later. I just looked it up. Selecting it there will just install the package task-mail-server and its dependencies.
12:08<Fenhl>I left it out for now. I know there are a lot of different options when it comes to mail servers, and ideally I would like to copy a setup that works for someone else.
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12:10<petn-randall>Fenhl: It won't work that easy. I'm not even sure how your setup looks like. So you'd like to have a IMAP server running locally that fetches all your mails?
12:10<petn-randall>... from other IMAP servers?
12:11<Fenhl>petn-randall: no, just a regular mail server, MX record and everything
12:13<Fenhl>petn-randall: but I want to be able to access mail on that server through IMAP
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12:14<Fenhl>which is something I never got working on the other machine
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12:14<michel_>salut a tous
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12:21<jned>petn-randall, all my mail for the different domain go to a single domain. So although I made progress, they is that problem, and also, I have no idea how to create the mail box or accounts so that I can send mail from each domain either
12:22<jned>petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/64353/
12:23<jned>Fenhl, dovecot right?
12:24<Fenhl>idc as long as it runs
12:24<jned>Fenhl, that's the one I used
12:25<Osiris_X>is there an easy way to upgrade a group of related packages e.g. mono packages from testing to sid version (when using primarily the testing distribution)
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12:25<Osiris_X>easy meaning, without having to click on each package and set it for upgrade
12:25<jned>You can try mono*
12:26<Osiris_X>jned: I should also have said I've been using aptitude
12:26<jned>apt-get install mono*
12:26<Osiris_X>jned: ok I'll try that
12:26<jned>aptitude install mono* will install all of them starting with mono
12:27<Osiris_X>jned: how would I refine it to only affect already installed packages
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12:28<jned>dunno how to do that
12:28<jned>how many packages start with mono?
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12:30<Osiris_X>jned: a fair few libmono packages
12:31<mju>Osiris_X: You could limit the list of packages shown in aptitude: type 'l', then type "mono.*~i" or so. Then there should be a key to set them to upgrade, by using the key when the category is marked.
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12:33<Osiris_X>mju: nice package tree limiting function. how do I unlimit afterwards?
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12:34<mju>Type l and delete everything in the text box.
12:35<Osiris_X>mju: cool also found a menu option to achieve the same
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12:35<Osiris_X>mju: unfortunately I do not see away to set the distribution of a group of packages
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12:38<mju>Osiris_X: If you want to install from sid, you need sid in the sources.list. But be careful, if you don't use apt-pinning or so you'll pull in all of sid. BTW, testing and stable is supported in #debian-next
12:39<Osiris_X>mju: sure I have that all set up with testing as my target release and the necessary pinning priorities to maintain the packages the way i want them
12:40<Osiris_X>mju: my challenge here is effectively a temporary pinning of a group of packages from within the aptitude interface to allow me to upgrade them as a group
12:40<Osiris_X>they don't need to stay pinned after the upgrade (infact in my case it is preferable if they didn't)
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12:41<Osiris_X>indeed I would be just has happy if I could do it from the command line with a single statement
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12:43<mju>Osiris_X: I am guessing now, but shouldn't something like "aptitude -t sid install "libmono.*~i" work? (Haven't tested that.)
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12:46<Osiris_X>mju: bingo! - aptitude -t sid install ".*mono.*~i" is what I needed
12:46<Osiris_X>mju: thanks for your help
12:47<Osiris_X>oh for it to be so simple for gnome LOL
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12:49<mju>Osiris_X: You are welcome.
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13:10<ayaka>I have a problem with arping, I can't ping any mac but ping ip can work
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13:43<jepler>On a fresh debian wheezy amd64 box with "sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386", should it be possible to install a set of packages such that I can "gcc -m32 example.cc -lGL" and "gcc -m64 example.cc -lGL"? Unfortunately, many -dev packages don't get along...
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13:46<SynrG>jepler: multiarch is a work in progress.
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13:46<SynrG>jepler: also i don't know what, if any, relationship there is between dpkg multiarch and gcc compile flags
13:46<SynrG>i didn't think they really had anything to do with each other
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13:47<SynrG>jepler: if you are working on a packaging issue, though, it should go to #debian-mentors, not here.
13:47<SynrG>i.e. if your goal is to build packages
13:47<AnonHex1>We ar Legion
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13:47<jepler>no, this is about enabling building a commercial application for $DAY_JOB
13:48<SynrG>got it
13:48<SynrG>!bat
13:48<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
13:48<SynrG>also:
13:48<SynrG>!multiarch
13:48<dpkg>Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>.
13:48<jepler>At this point, I'm mostly asking in order that I can adjust my expectations to be accurate.
13:48<SynrG>jepler: so if you want us to help with a specific failure to install -dev packages, maybe we can, with the info that is asked for above.
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13:49<SynrG>jepler: your expectations should be "sometimes it will work, and sometimes not, because it's a work in progress"
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13:49<jepler>thanks for your time.
13:49<SynrG>"your package must be multiarch-enabled" wasn't a mandatory requirement for the wheezy release
13:49<SynrG>it's something that is expected to take a while
13:49<jepler>worst case we'll have distinct systems for building the 32-bit packages
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13:50<jepler>and obviously you aren't jumping up and down to help me build my proprietary app
13:50<jepler>thanks for your time
13:50<AnonHex1>has any one got bf4
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13:51<SynrG>AnonHex1: this is a debian support channel your question probably does not belong here, depending on what you mean by "bf4"
13:51<linuxator>./output32
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13:51<SynrG>AnonHex1: if you're looking for warez, this is definitely the wrong channel.
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13:52<mju>jepler: I don't know what you mean by "distinct system", but as far as I know there are ways to build a 32bit program on a 64bit system. That is you can have a chroot or things like this. (I have no experience with these, though.)
13:53<SynrG>wrong network, even
13:53<jepler>oh yeah I should think chroots first
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13:53<SynrG>jepler: see 'debootstrap --arch=i386'
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14:20<Fenhl>okay, so if I understood petn-randall correctly, I need to install X now
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14:21<Fenhl>do I just apt-get install xorg?
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14:31<mju>Fenhl: What do you want to do with X?
14:32<Fenhl>mju: I want to display a web page in fullscreen
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14:33<mju>As far as I know you will also need some kind of window manager. It would make more sense to install that and let the dependencies be resolved automatically.
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14:34<mju>I still do not really know what you want to do, but would a very lightweight window manager help? How do you plan to start the browser? Should it be useable? I.e., do you operate it by a keyboard and mouse, or is it on a kind of kiosk screen, with no input devices?
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14:35<mju>Do you require that nobody can close the browser or start other programs? That is all very much not clear from what you said.
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14:45<pippo>irc://irc.abjects.net/moviegods
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15:11<Fenhl>in response to what mju said without highlighting me:
15:11<Fenhl>I don't need the browser to be useable, it's basically like a kiosk screen
15:12<Fenhl>ideally I would start the browser over ssh, but I could also code the page so that I will only have to set it up once
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15:13<Fenhl><mju> Do you require that nobody can close the browser or start other programs? <---- no, that is not a requirement
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15:31<pi>hi
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15:34<pi>hello anybody here?
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15:54<cyan>hello all
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15:57<cyan>I would like to install few Linux distributions to the same hard disk. I would like to know if it is possible to make root partitions to each Linux distribution?
15:57<mtn>cyan: pretty much as many as you would like.
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15:58<mtn>cyan: you should read up on partitioning
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16:00<cyan>Thanks, I did just I have not seen it. And for boot I use GRUB if it is necessary to make partition for boot if I use few root partitions?
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16:09<Greenjim>hi everybody
16:10<lorenzo>ciao
16:10<lorenzo>!lista
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16:15<pocock>cyan: you may need to consider using LVM or btrfs if you need more than what your partition table can cope with
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16:16<pocock>cyan: I used to run both 32 bit and 64 bit in different logical volumes until it became practical to just boot 64 bit every time
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16:25<Greenjim>I got a problem to mount my USB RAM Stick. It mounts but belongs to root and not to my user.
16:25<Greenjim>If I do the same on my desktop, it works.
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16:25<Greenjim>Twice the same system Jessie kernel 3.10 Gnome3.
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16:28<Fenhl>okay, so I installed xorg. Now when I do startx, it displays a shell, but I can't interact with it
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16:29<Fenhl>so I have to ^⌥1 and ^C to get back into a working shell
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16:30<blast007>Fenhl: what exactly did you install?
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16:30<blast007>sounds like you only installed the x server and not any desktop environment
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16:33<NinjaCougar>Hi Debian Guru's. This is probably the most simple question but here it goes. I'm trying to instal Debian 7.2 AMD64 on a MacBook Pro 15" (6,2) so I've got it running OSX, rEFIt, and it said I successfully installed Debian. I try to boot into it and it looks to be loading but then there are pixels splashed all over the screen and it just hangs there. I know the version I have works because I was able to load it on to a D
16:33<NinjaCougar>the graphics gets all messed up. It has 2 cards installed an Intel HD Graphics and a NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M. Any ideas? Perhaps I need to use an older version of Debian?
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16:36<blast007>NinjaCougar: your first message got cut off at "was able to load it on to a D"
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16:37<NinjaCougar>I was able to load it on to a Dell but for some reason I believe the graphics gets all messed up. It has 2 cards installed an Intel HD Graphics and a NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M. Any ideas? Perhaps I need to use an older version of Debian?
16:37<Fenhl>blast007: you're right, I didn't install any desktop environment
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16:38<Fenhl>blast007: all I need is to display a web page in fullscreen, I was told I wouldn't need a desktop environment for that
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16:41<william>My time didn't change for DST. I can't find any settings anywhere. Any suggestions?
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16:50<allen>how do I check if I'm using LVM? Forgot if I enabled it during installation a while ago
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16:53<lex>Ciao a tutti :D
16:53<turk>selam
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16:58<RayzrShrp>hey everybody
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17:11<william>allen lvdisplay or look in /dev.
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17:12<jned>xfce4 comes with its own display manager? I installed gdm3 thinking I needed to but I dont ee login options in my system menu
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17:16<Fideov>hi there, anyone knows why I can sudo nano /etc/ppp/chap-secrets, but I can't sudo echo "stuff" >> /etc/ppp/chap-secrets?
17:16<SamB>Fideov: because the >> is not under the sudo
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17:17<SamB>try sudo sh -c 'echo "stuff" >> /etc/ppp/chap-secrets'
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17:18<Fideov>I suspected something like that was going on! thank you a lot, it worked perfectly!
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17:20<stderr>Another solution would be: echo "stuff" | sudo tee -a /etc/ppp/chap-secrets
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17:20<stderr>Maybe add >/dev/null to the end of that.
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17:21<jned>how do you auto login?
17:21<SynrG>if you're using gnome, by configuring gdm3 to autologin. if using lxde or xfce, by configuring lightdm
17:22<jned>SynrG, thx
17:22<jned>SynrG, do you know about xbmc autologin, cause I see it in my options for gdm3
17:23<SynrG>beats me
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17:24<SynrG>you would use xbmc instead of a desktop environment
17:24<SynrG>so i guess they include that as an example of how to do that
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17:25<SynrG>or do you mean xdcmp which is something entirely different?
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17:25<txsl>Hey, I switched to the testing repos on Wheezy, and as a result Python got updated to 2.7. But as a result, why I try to install something (via pip), it still goes in to the 2.6 directory. Is there a way to change the installation directory globally? Not even sure where it's stored in Debian
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17:26<themill>txsl: wheezy still isn't testing
17:26<txsl>themill: ok, the repo is from the testing branch? this is in my sources list: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main (sorry, i'm not down with the lingo)
17:27<themill>!show sources.list txsl
17:27<dpkg>txsl: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \;
17:27<jned>SynrG, thx
17:27<themill>txsl: the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 python python2.6 python2.7 dpkg apt; apt-cache policy" would be interesting to see to
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17:28<Fenhl>could blast007 or anyone else help me please? I just want to run a web browser in fullscreen
17:30<txsl>themill: http://pastebin.com/v6rKKftd and http://pastebin.com/1KqH1Zd7
17:30<stderr>Fenhl: You mean with autologin and maybe without a window manager, right?
17:31<Fenhl>stderr: what would I need autologin for?
17:31<Fenhl>and “without a window manager” is optional, really
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17:32<stderr>If you just want to run the web browser in fullscreen, just hit the right button...
17:32<stderr>I therefore assumed you wanted something more than just that. Guess I was wrong.
17:33<Fenhl>stderr: my current status is I have xorg installed but no window manager
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17:33<Fenhl>stderr: running startx gives me a shell which has the correct screen resolution but doesn't accept any input
17:34<stderr>Move the mouse into the shell window...
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17:34<Fenhl>stderr: I don't have a mouse
17:35<Fenhl>just a screen and a keyboard
17:35<Fenhl>and ssh of course
17:37<stderr>Maybe it would work, if your start the browser from ~/.xsession
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17:38<themill>txsl: you can't mix squeeze (oldstable) and jessie (testing) like that. Also. I wouldn't touch packages from dotdeb
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17:39<stderr>Fenhl: Maybe the name of the file is ~/.xinitrc I can't remember...
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17:39<themill>I assume you're Yet Another Victim of reading some ancient post from the python devel mailing list :(
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17:40<txsl>themill: OK, upon review, I see what you are saying. Out of interest what's wrong with dotdeb? Actually I was reading a guide on how to install node and it said it needed a newer version of libc6 which was in the testing repo. Is there any way I can recover from this?
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17:41<Fenhl>stderr: I don't se anything like that in ~
17:41<themill>txsl: dotdeb is a repo of poor quality packages that don't care about your ability to upgrade or manage your machine for longer than it takes to install their crappy packages
17:41<Fenhl>stderr: only thing starting with .x is .xsession-errors
17:41<stderr>Fenhl: You have to make it yourself. See man xinit for some examples.
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17:42<themill>txsl: can you remove those "testing" lines from your sources.list and then run apt-get update for me and then aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
17:44<txsl>themill: I get http://pastebin.com/iXtYFQPr
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17:45<themill>txsl: I assume this is a server not a desktop
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17:45<txsl>themill: Yep, virtualised on Xen
17:46<themill>don't suppose you checkpointed it to be able to roll it back?
17:46<txsl>themill: I wish i had done
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17:48<themill>txsl: I think the easiest thing for you to do right now is to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy (that will also give you python 2.7 automatically) and then that list of packages needs to be downgraded back to the wheezy versions. /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy
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17:52<txsl>themill: interesting. I asked the VPS Provider about this, and they reported the one person who tried to upgrade said it didn't go well (they think Xen hasn't got a template for it yet).
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17:53<themill>What's "uname -r" there?
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17:57<txsl>themill: 2.6.32-308.8.2.el5.028stab101.1
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18:09<RayzrShrp>does anybody know what the next stable release will be called>?
18:10<dondelelcaro>RayzrShrp: jessie
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18:11<mtn>RayzrShrp: the current testing becomes the next stable, so jessie
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18:12<RayzrShrp>mtn: so sid will become jessie
18:13<RayzrShrp>is jessie going to use gnome3?
18:13<mtn>RayzrShrp: nope, sid stays sid. packages will move out of sid into the next testing, just like it does now with jessie
18:14<ompaul>experimental -> maybe it gets to SID -> if it passes a few days with no breaking everything then -> testing -> freeze -> release
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18:15<Fenhl>so unstable is always sid?
18:15<RayzrShrp>yes just like sid in toy story was an unstable kid
18:15<Fenhl>or is that a release name like wheezy and jessie?
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18:15<RayzrShrp>hence the naming scheme for debian
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18:15<RayzrShrp>sid is always unstable
18:15<Fenhl>k
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18:16<NinjaCougar>Has anyone successfully installed a dual boot osx and debian 7.2 on a macbook pro?
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18:19<RayzrShrp>so could i install the full blown jessie or do i need to install wheezy and just point its sources at jessie?
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18:20<mtn>RayzrShrp: install wheezy and upgrade to jessie
18:21<RayzrShrp>mtn: ok thanks thats what i figured
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18:21<RayzrShrp>is jessie running a newer version of gnome?
18:22<mtn>RayzrShrp: http://packages.debian.org
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18:24<Fenhl>okay so I have the setup working so that `startx` starts chromium in kiosk mode and pointed to the right address
18:24<Fenhl>however, it is only filling the left half of the screen
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18:25<Fenhl>and I would obviously like to have it running in fullscreen
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18:31<stderr>Fenhl: If you're lucky chromium supports the "standard" X11 -geometry option.
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18:32<stderr>Or maybe just -fullscreen
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18:34<stderr>Fenhl: Have you tried --kiosk ?
18:34<Fenhl>I'm using --kiosk
18:34<Fenhl>let me try -geometry
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18:37<stderr>Fenhl: http://askubuntu.com/questions/267916/how-can-i-get-chromium-browser-to-run-fullscreen-not-kiosk-in-12-04 might be useful.
18:38<Fenhl>nope, geometry is ignored apparently
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18:43<Fenhl>stderr: that link doesn't help; kiosk mode does what I need
18:44<stderr>I meant the --start-maximized part...
18:44<stderr>And maybe "xdotool key F11" too.
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18:46<Fenhl>stderr: --start-maximized doesn't do anything
18:46<stderr>Maybe it's just one -
18:46<Fenhl>it looks like chromium is already in fullscreen mode, but xorg only gives it part of the screen
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18:51<Fenhl>stderr: nope, -start-maximized doesn't do anything either
18:52<Fenhl>is there some global config where I can tell xorg my screen size?
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18:53<labyrinthine1>Anyone here?
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18:54<musca>labyrinthine1: almost 600 people, yes
18:54<labyrinthine1>:P
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18:55<labyrinthine1>Anyway, anyone care to help a newbie?
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18:56<musca>yes, just ask your detailed question.
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18:59<labyrinthine1>When I log into my user account, the screen hangs for a moment, then returns to the login screen. The only way I've found that I can get into the desktop is by typing "startx /usr/bin/gnome-session"
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18:59<labyrinthine1>In my xsession-errors file, these are the contents:
18:59<labyrinthine1>/etc/gdm3/Xsession: Beginning session setup...
18:59<labyrinthine1>No protocol specified
18:59<labyrinthine1>xrdb: Resource temporarily unavailable
18:59<labyrinthine1>xrdb: Can't open display ':0'
18:59<labyrinthine1>No protocol specified
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19:01<musca>welcome back, labyrinthine1, please use http://paste.debian.net
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19:02<labyrinthine1>Pardon me, was unaware. http://paste.debian.net/64425/
19:02<musca>np
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19:16<labyrinthine1>brb, trying a solution out. Rebooting.
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19:16<Fenhl>I created an xorg.conf to specify that the screen should be rotated left
19:17<Fenhl>but now when I startx, it says “Fatal server error: no screens found”
19:18<stderr>Can we see the config?
19:19<Fenhl>sec
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19:20<Fenhl>stderr: http://pastie.org/8461327
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19:22<labyrinthine>Failed. I still have to go through tty in order for the desktop to load
19:22<stderr>Fenhl: Ain't you missing an identifier for the monitor and a "monitor" statement referring to that monitor in the screen section?
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19:22<stderr>Fenhl: Maybe show us /var/log/Xorg.0.log too.
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19:24<Fenhl>stderr: added Identifier "MainMonitor" to the "Monitor" section and Monitor "MainMonitor" to the "Screen" section
19:24<ayaka>I have installed arping then excute, then uninstalled and install iputils-arping
19:24<Fenhl>now startx starts again, but it's not rotated
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19:25<ayaka>then it will told /usr/sbin/arping can't find(it is arping's path, iputils's is in /usr/bin)
19:25<ayaka>how to clean that cache?
19:26<stderr>ayaka: I'm not sure I know what you mean, but try hash -r
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19:28<Fenhl>stderr: all 1031 lines of that logfile?
19:28<stderr>Is that a problem?
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19:28<Fenhl>nope, just let me copy it over
19:29<stderr>Fenhl: "pastebinit" might be what you're looking for...
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19:30<ayaka>stderr, I don't have that cmd
19:31<stderr>ayaka: What shell are you using?
19:31<ayaka>the problem is, one I excute a program, then the program will the same name will be first one your excute
19:31<ayaka>stderr, bash
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19:31<stderr>ayaka: hash is a shell builtin in bash.
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19:32<ayaka>stderr, sorry, I don't notice the space
19:32<ayaka>stderr, thank you
19:32<stderr>No problem.
19:32<Fenhl>stderr: that is one neat little tool http://paste.debian.net/64426/
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19:39<stderr>Fenhl: I don't get line 859->862. Maybe I'm just too tired. :-/
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19:42<Fenhl>stderr: iiuc https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Xorg/Configuration#Tweaking_X_settings says I need a device section
19:42<Fenhl>but maybe that's gentoo-specific?
19:43<petn-randall>Hi, I'm trying to install plugins for icedove. However, when I search for one in particular, it says "Not available for Thunderbird 2.0.0.23". I'm running the most current icedove, 17.0.9.
19:45<stderr>Fenhl: I haven't tried rotating, so I can't say for sure. All I know is, I don't have a Device section.
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19:45<Fenhl>stderr: it's not just that, preferred mode also doesn't seem to be doing anything
19:46<Fenhl>stderr: at least not with chromium, maybe I should test with something else?
19:46<petn-randall>Specifically, it's https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/morelayouts/. It should run with 17.0.9, but icedove gets wrongly detected.
19:46<stderr>Fenhl: Yeah, line 859-862 seems to suggest (as far as I read it) that they're being ignored.
19:47<Fenhl>stderr: okay, this is weird… I just ran `xinit xterm` and all I got was chromium
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19:49<stderr>Fenhl: Anything useful in .xsession-errors ?
19:50<stderr>Fenhl: I got work tomorrow, so I better find my bed. I hope you can make it work. Maybe someone else can help?
19:50<Fenhl>stderr: thanks for the help so far
19:51<Fenhl>here's something: “xterm: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) or KillClient on X server ":0"”
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21:03<sweggur>guys\
21:03<sweggur>i need de help
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21:45<Fenhl>my screen is turning off after some minutes of no keyboard input
21:45<Fenhl>can I turn this off?
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21:49<Infiltrator>Fenhl: I believe that, in gnome3, it's under power options.
21:49<chealer>Fenhl: of simply no keyboard input? regardless of mouse input?
21:50<Fenhl>Infiltrator: I don't have gnome installed
21:50<Fenhl>chealer: I don't have a mouse
21:50<chealer>Fenhl: which desktop environment do you use?
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21:51<Fenhl>chealer: none, just xorg running a chromium at what's supposed to be fullscreen (but for some reason only fills half the screen)
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21:54<Fenhl>chealer: From what I've heard, it sounds like a desktop environment would make a lot of this easier. However, I need to be able to start chromium (or another browser) in fullscreen mode without using a mouse
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21:59<chealer>Fenhl: as a KDE and Iceweasel user, that sounds easy, but it may need an initial setup
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22:00*FreedomfN F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off
22:00<FreedomfN>F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off
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22:00*FreedomfN F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off
22:00<FreedomfN>F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off
22:00*FreedomfN F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off
22:00-FreedomfN:#debian-F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off
22:00<FreedomfN>F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off
22:00*FreedomfN F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off
22:00-FreedomfN:#debian-F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off
22:00<FreedomfN>F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off
22:00-FreedomfN:#debian-F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off
22:00*FreedomfN F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off
22:00<FreedomfN>F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off
22:00-FreedomfN:#debian-F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off
22:00*FreedomfN F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off
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22:00-FreedomfN:#debian-F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off
22:00*FreedomfN F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off
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22:00-FreedomfN:#debian-F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off F*ck off
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22:05<sney>exciting
22:05<Fenhl>chealer: I'll try that combo
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22:12<Fenhl>chealer: so how would I go about installing/setting up KDE? I don't need anything fancy, just the bare minimum for a full-screen browser (and ideally screen rotation, but I could do that with CSS)
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22:15<jordanm>Fenhl: the kde-plasma-desktop package would provide a basic KDE installation
22:15<jordanm>I would still recommend kde-full though, you only lose a little disk space and gain all the goodies KDE has to offer
22:15<Fenhl>jordanm: what sort of goodies?
22:16<Fenhl>jordanm: I'm literally only going to have a single full-screen browser running, ever
22:17<Fenhl>jordanm: unless, of course, kde-full has support for screen rotation…
22:17<jordanm>Fenhl: calculator, archive manager, etc
22:17<Fenhl>nope, not going to need any of that
22:18<Fenhl>kde-plasma-desktop it is
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22:21<noobzonite>Hello everyone !! I am having conflicts with my dedicated card ( hd 4850 ) on weazy. How can I find my /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?? I cant find that one ...
22:21<noobzonite>I am having the exact same problem as with my older computer and its radeon 350 series ...
22:22<jordanm>noobzonite: it's not there by default, as it is typically not needed these days
22:22<SamB>noobzonite: maybe you can find it at /dev/null (i.e. it's got no bytes in it)
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22:22<noobzonite>why Am I having so many issues with Radeons and debian is that normal ?
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22:23<jordanm>noobzonite: not sure since you haven't explained the issue
22:23<dvs>missing the firmware?
22:24<noobzonite>Firmware is there .. thing is on my older machine it started by telling me that there were conflicts with my ati firmware ( Gnome message )
22:25<noobzonite>and then after a couple of minutes I stopped having image
22:25<noobzonite>black and white stripes only
22:25<noobzonite>and I am afraid it happens the same with this one too
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22:28<noobzonite>when I type : grep AGP /boot/config-$(uname -r)
22:28<noobzonite>All of them are = y rather than what is written at https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
22:29<noobzonite>some of them are = m
22:31<dvs>noobzonite: You shouldn't have intel and sis compiled into the kernel if your have an ATI video card.
22:32<noobzonite><dvs>: I believe intel is my integrated one
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22:32<Fenhl>jordanm: installed kde-plasma-desktop, now what?
22:32<chealer>Fenhl: I believe you'd need to install and start yakuake to let you launch iceweasel from the command line, or to assign a keyboard shortcut to bring up the K menu.
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22:32<dvs>oh geez
22:33<Fenhl>chealer: alright, will do that
22:33<chealer>Fenhl: unless there's a way to make Iceweasel start automatically (which must be the case).
22:33<cd-jumei>cae
22:35<chealer>Fenhl: wait, it's way easier to use Alt+F2 to start iceweasel
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22:35<cd-jumei>?
22:35<Fenhl>chealer: lol ok… remove yakuake again?
22:35<cd-jumei>y
22:36<noobzonite><dvs> Do I need to change that config If so how can you tell ?
22:36<cd-jumei>??
22:36<cd-jumei>where am i?
22:37<chealer>Fenhl: if you wish (sorry for the earlier suggestion)
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22:37<dvs>noobzonite: I'm not sure that would help but I wouldn't want it built into my kernel
22:37<chealer>Alt+F2 is way faster *and* doesn't require a mouse
22:37<Fenhl>okay
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22:40<cd-jumei>DNS
22:45<noobzonite><dvs> At the moment i haven't got those weird frozen lines yet ... I just can't seem to be able to use 2 monitors rather than being mirrored ( GDBus.Error:org.gtk.GDBus.UnmappedGError.Quark._gnome_2drr_2derror_2dquark.Code3: requested position/size for CRTC 63 is outside the allowed limit: position=(1680, 0), size=(1680, 1050), maximum=(1920, 1920)
22:46<Fenhl>chealer: okay, so I'm assuming I have to start KDE now… how do I do that?
22:46<jordanm>Fenhl: startx
22:46<Fenhl>oh ok lol
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22:47<Fenhl>oh, that just started chromium… I guess I have to remove .xinitrc
22:48<Fenhl>aha! worked
22:48<dvs>noobzonite: I think that's what xrandr is for but I neve used it.
22:48<cd-jumei>^0^
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22:49<chealer>!startkde
22:49<dpkg>from memory, startkde is the script which starts the KDE desktop environment.
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22:49<Fenhl>and chromium is running in fullscreen!
22:49<Fenhl>thanks chealer and jordanm
22:50<Fenhl>and everyone else
22:50<chealer>Fenhl: you might want to check ~/.kde/Autostart
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22:51<Fenhl>chealer: how do I use that? symlink chromium in there?
22:51<chealer>Fenhl: I don't know. presumably
22:52<Fenhl>I'll try it
22:52<SamB>you might need to make a .desktop file
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22:54<Fenhl>how do I quit kde?
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22:54<Fenhl>(without a mouse, that is)
22:54<chealer>Fenhl: Ctrl+Alt+Del
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22:55<chealer>Fenhl: I'd suggest you set a shortcut for the K menu (if Alt+F1 isn't preset, which I'm afraid is the case)
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22:59<noobzonite>dvs: I quit Xchat ... did you get my last msg ?
23:00<dvs>noobzonite: I think that's what xrandr is for but I never used it.
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23:05<Fenhl>chealer: ^⌥⌦ isn't working anymore :(
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23:06<Fenhl>it worked twice, but now I started KDE a third time (after trying things with Autostart) and it doesn't do anything anymore
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23:07<SamB>chealer: the Windows key doesn't open that?
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23:09<jordanm>SamB: no
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23:12<chealer>Fenhl: sorry, what isn't working?
23:13<chealer>SamB: certainly not :-|
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23:14<chealer>unless set to do that, of course. IIRC, Alt+F1 used to be the default, but I believe there is currently no default
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23:15<Fenhl>my internet had a hiccup
23:15<Fenhl>anyway, looks like chromium's kiosk mode is what caused it
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23:16<Fenhl>interrupted startx, removed the kiosk mode option from the chromium in Autostart, now everything's fine again (except I have to hit F11 once)
23:18<chealer>Fenhl: do you really want to have the browser in "fullscreen mode", or just get rid of the taskbar?
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23:19<Fenhl>chealer: fullscreen, as in “nothing but the webpage displayed”
23:19<Fenhl>right now there's the mouse pointer in the middle of the screen which is annoying
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23:23<chealer>Fenhl: OK. it seems iceweasel can do that at least with an extension: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=3366456
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23:30<cd-jumei>just have lunch
23:31<Fenhl>chealer: I just installed unclutter and moved it into the KDE Autostart
23:31<Fenhl>works like a charm
23:31<Fenhl>erm, s/moved/symlinked/
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23:33<Fenhl>chealer: I'm not a big fan of gecko :/ which is why I'm using chromium
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