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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-11-07

---Logopened Thu Nov 07 00:00:18 2013
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00:13<chealer>Fenhl: never heard about unclutter. nice. I'm going to bed, good luck with fullscreen
00:14<Fenhl>everything's working, thanks for the help
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00:15<Fenhl>no, wait, nvm, screen just went black ;_;
00:15*Fenhl scrolls up
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00:23<Fenhl>…let's see if that fixed it
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00:39<Fenhl>ok, nope, didn't work
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00:40<Fenhl>anyone know how to prevent the screen from going black after a few minutes of no keyboard input?
00:40<Fenhl>this is under KDE
00:41<themill>!blanking
00:41<dpkg>You can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via "xset -dpms", xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls. Permanent virtual console blanking adjustments can be made by editing /etc/kbd/config.
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00:56<Fenhl>themill: none of these actually help
00:56<themill>boo :(
00:57<Fenhl>oh wait, haven't tried KDE screensaver controls yet
01:00<Fenhl>themill: nope, already disabled
01:01<themill>Fenhl: cry at http://paste.debian.net/64442/
01:01<Fenhl>haha
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01:06<Fenhl>themill: do I need to put that in Autostart?
01:06<themill>yeah, if it's running, it simulates keyboard activity which should prevent screensavers kicking in. Don't know about blanking though.
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01:22<johnfreez>so debian asks me to authenticate, periodically, without my asking, in order to update packages
01:22<johnfreez>i'm wondering how to tell which packages debian is wanting to update
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01:29<johnfreez>i'd like to understand why and when this window reading "Authentication is required to update packages" comes up
01:29<johnfreez>and how to induce it on demand
01:30<jm_>probably update-notifier
01:32*johnfreez investigates the lead provided by jm_
01:33<jm_>you can run 'apt-get -s upgrade' manually to get a list of things needing updating
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01:38<johnfreez>this is striking. when i executd 'apt-get -s upgrade', no packages were downloaded, but wheezy is reporting that 76 were 'upgraded'
01:38<johnfreez>"76 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded."
01:39<jm_>that's the whole point of -s switch
01:40<johnfreez>ahh, i understand, ' -s ' indicates simulation
01:41<jm_>indeed
01:41<jm_>remove it and it will upgrade them
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04:10<cd-jumei>?
04:10<cd-jumei>anybody?
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04:13<maxy>cd-jumei: if you need to ask something just ask, pinging to anybody is going to be ignored.
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04:14<Mikesteevens>hello
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04:20<julio>hey!
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04:24<jeep>hi
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04:52<cd-jumei>KindOne
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04:52<cd-jumei>^0^
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04:53<guuest>can you help me please? I decided to make my own debian live cd. I did 'debootstrap wheezy myfolder', chroot it, installed my programs, configured the system. Then i made squashfs and replaced it from original debian standart live cd. The problem is that keyboard, touchpad and mouse doesn't work after X server starts. Need help!!!
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04:54<SynrG>guuest: why this crazy method instead of live-build?
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04:55<guuest>because i saw this method in the internet
04:55<guuest>but there was Ubuntu instead
04:56<SynrG>do keyboard, touchpad and mouse work with the wheezy live image you downloaded?
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04:56<guuest>wheezy standart image doesn't have X server
04:57<SynrG>a desktop flavor, then
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04:57<guuest>keyboard and mouse doesn't work after X server starts
04:58<SynrG>i mean dpremier another flavor
04:58<SynrG>lxde, gnome, kde, xfce ... pick one
04:59<guuest>I tried debian lxde on this machine. Mouse and keyboard worked
04:59<SynrG>live?
04:59<guuest>My build has lxde too with kdm
04:59<guuest>Live
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05:00<SynrG>use live-build then you are using a supported method
05:00<guuest>But they worked after reconnection of usb
05:01<guuest>Thanks for live-build, i will try it
05:02<SynrG>see http://live.debian.net/manual/stable
05:02<SynrG>and #debian-live for live-specific issues
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05:47<shivam>how to automatically log in in my machine uon boot up
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05:47<shivam>how to automatically log in in my machine upon boot up
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05:49<bluewater>shivam: i would say that is bordering on 'worlds worst practice'
05:49<jm_>some DM-s have an option for this, then there's nodm
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05:49<shivam>but its my PC
05:49<shivam>at home bluewater
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05:52<bluewater>shivam: it is still really bad form bordering on 'worlds worst practice' I do not car where the PC / lappy/tablet resides, it is totally naff
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05:52<bluewater>s/car/care
05:52<shivam>bluewater , im at home. nobody touches my PC
05:52<jalalsfs>How to recover grub in jussie?
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06:01<babilen>dpkg: tell jalalsfs -about fixmbr
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06:02<James_T>babilen: how does this black magic with dpkg work :P
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06:03<babilen>dpkg: tell James_T -about dpkgbot
06:03<James_T>:D
06:03<babilen>James_T: And you probably want to ask the bot in private with, say, "/msg dpkg msg the bot"
06:03<themill>James_T: there are only 39k factoids.... just learn a few ;)
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06:03<James_T>ok
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06:15<grn>virtualenvwrapper makes bash start really slow. Any solutions to that?
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06:25<jalalsfs>dpkg, tell jalalsfs -about rescue mode
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06:26<jm_>it's easier to ask it via /msg: /msg dpkg rescue mode
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06:28<babilen>I remember a nice blog post by the ftp-team that discussed dak and how the Debian archive works "behind the scenes" -- all with nice graphics and great explanations. I can't find it again .. Can you think of the one I am talking about or similarly good documentation about this. (the machinery of dak, sbuild, wanna-build, dput{,-ng}, .. and how it all fits together.
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06:42<jned>I installed gnome, it really slow, goes unresponsive a lot
06:44<jned>actually, that was just the first time I started google-chrome, but seems better now, launches quit the second and third time. But now I have another problem. Chrome didn't get added to apps
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06:48<ixi>jned how did you install chrome ?
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06:49<jned>ixi from google website
06:49<jned>dpkg -i googe-chrome.deb
06:49*dpkg installs googe-chrome.deb into jned's head with a bone saw and a few screws
06:50<ixi>jned if you want a working chrome, install chromium (apt-get install chromium)
06:50<ixi>if you want a faster and more responsive desktop, try xfce
06:50<SynrG>or at least if you want a chrome that's actually supported here :)
06:50<jned>ixi, yeah but it doesn't include pdf reader
06:51<ixi>I don't think chrome from google website is something that supported
06:51<SynrG>if you have problems with unresponsiveness of your desktop and you think google-chrome is the culprit, complain to google, not us
06:51<SynrG>or don't use google-chrome
06:51<jm_>it\'s strange you don't see it in apps, I see it adds itself to /usr/share/menu and /usr/share/gnome-control-center/default-apps
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06:51<jned>SynrG, no, what I was trying to do it add chrome to the apps menu, cause its not there, I have to launch it from the termina
06:51<SynrG>jned: it's not that we don't want to help. we truly do. but we can only support what we support.
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06:52<ixi>jned if you want a browser with builtin pdf reader, there is iceweasel
06:52<ixi>version 23+ I think has it
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06:53<jned>I have iceweasel, ut it does't include flash
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06:53<SynrG>or live without inline pdf in chromium for a while. eventually it will get it ...
06:53<SynrG>is it that much of a killer feature?
06:53<ixi>if you want a working flash, enable nonfree repos and install flashplugin-nonfre package
06:53<ixi>flashplugin-nonfree
06:53<jned>ixi, oh yeah, cool, sweet, ok thx
06:54<ixi>,v iceweasel
06:54<judd>Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; jessie: 17.0.9esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy: 17.0.9esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 17.0.10esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 24.1.0esr-1; experimental: 25.0-1
06:54<SynrG>hmmm, fsvo "eventually" ;) https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=50852
06:54<SynrG>(open for over 3 years ...)
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06:55<SynrG>marked "Wontfix"
06:56<SynrG>then switched back to "Available" ...
06:56<SynrG>i'm confused about the status of this bug
06:57<ixi>there is a font engine bug that's been around since 2009
06:57<ixi>still not fixed
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06:57<SynrG>https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=50852#c24 may or may not be helpful (the example there is for windows, and #30 has an OS/X recipe)
06:59<SynrG>nobody gives a linux recipe for the same thing :/
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07:02<stdhell>SynrG: I haven't tried, but /opt/google/chrome/libpdf.so is most likely the one you need for PDFs. /opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.so might be the one for flash.
07:03<txomon|fon>I am testing Wireless AP hotspot, with NetworkManager (gnome-shell) and It's not working properly
07:03<txomon|fon>I once got it working
07:03<txomon|fon>but it seems it creates one hotspot config each time, etc.
07:04<SynrG>you mean you are trying to configure your wireless card as an AP?
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07:05<txomon|fon>SynrG, yeah, but with network manager's Use as Hotspot
07:05<txomon|fon>buttong
07:05<SynrG>i see. i've never tried that
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07:06<txomon|fon>I never had, but now I am seeing it's giving problems :(
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07:07<SynrG>using wheezy?
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07:22<txomon|fon>SynrG, yeah (sorry didn't see ping)
07:22<txomon|fon>but using bpo kernel 2.10
07:22<txomon|fon>3.10*
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07:23<txomon|fon>I get severe X/gnome-shell crashes with debian-wheezy linux-image when using chromium and flash
07:25<SynrG>i see
07:25<SynrG>so, old NM, new kernel ... *might* be an issue
07:25<SynrG>but you could try falling back to the old kernel and see, if you really think that's a problem
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07:25<SynrG>(just don't use chromium & flash for those tests)
07:26<SynrG>sounds unlikely, though
07:26<txomon|fon>SynrG, it has been working in this bpo kernel =)
07:26<SynrG>it worked before, now it fails. what changed?
07:26<txomon|fon>is just that it got me to create and destroy network-manager configurations
07:27<txomon|fon>I did the process like 25 times
07:27<SynrG>so you create the hotspot profile and it vanishes next time you restart?
07:27<txomon|fon>and in the 25th it worked, and I used that hostpot for till I tried to do a profile cleanup and screw it up
07:27<txomon|fon>SynrG, I don't restart
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07:27<txomon|fon>I've been up for 2 months now
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07:28<SynrG>describe as precisely what you are doing, what you expect, and what happens instead, then.
07:28<stdhell>txomon|fon: Don't you think you should get some sleep?
07:28<txomon|fon>hahah
07:28<txomon|fon>ok
07:29<txomon|fon>1..- Connected to regular wifi hotspot
07:29<txomon|fon>2.- Go to wifi settings
07:29<txomon|fon>3.- Click use as hotspot
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07:30<txomon|fon>4.- Click in the popup window that tells you "Disconnect from <ap name> and create a new hotspot?" in the "Create hotspot" button
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07:31<txomon|fon>5.- Go to my android mobile and see if there appears such hotspot
07:31<txomon|fon>and there is the trouble
07:31<txomon|fon>there is no such network
07:31<SynrG>i see.
07:31<txomon|fon>nor my mobile nor other 3 mobiles and 2 other laptops I tried with
07:31<txomon|fon>so the problem is actually with the ap mode
07:32<SynrG>i understand from the last time i tried this (years ago) not all wifi cards actually support it
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07:33<SynrG>but maybe that has changed? dunno
07:33<txomon|fon>well, as I have seen it working in my computer and I actually compiled a hotspotd for this same card while doing some tests, I know it works
07:33<txomon|fon>so the problem comes with something
07:33<txomon|fon>reading syslog I can say that
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07:34<txomon|fon>I see no hostapd messages
07:34<SynrG>what about adhoc?
07:35<SynrG>android supports "direct" connect, and i think from what i've read NM can create an adhoc wireless network
07:36<txomon|fon>that is hotspot mode
07:36<txomon|fon>I will try your method
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07:42<txomon|fon>not working ;(
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07:43<dzan>hi, is there a way to restrict access to a private repository ( set up with reprepo ) ?
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07:44<txomon|fon>sure, just use htpassw
07:44<ixi>txomon|fon try something other than networkmanager
07:44<txomon|fon>ixi, idea?
07:44<txomon|fon>I neeed it to be user-easy
07:44<dzan>txomon|fon, how would apt-get update then work? would it ask for a password first?
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07:44<txomon|fon>dzan, no idea
07:44<txomon|fon>just know that if you put a password to an http site, it asks you for it
07:45<txomon|fon>but I suppose you can configurate it somewhere into the apt config
07:45<jned>do we need special drivers if you buy an ssh hdd?
07:45<jned>sorry, ssd hdd I mean
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07:46<ixi>txomon|fon well there's wicd
07:46<ixi>it can create access points
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07:47<txomon|fon>jned, I didn't
07:47<txomon|fon>just have sata2/3
07:47<txomon|fon>support
07:47<jned>txomon|fon, sweet, glad to hear it
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08:27<jned>I installed gnome, but I seem to have the old version, how to do I enable the new version
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08:28<chealer>Fenhl: did you check the power savings screen in system settings?
08:28<mtn>jned: are you running wheezy?
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08:29<jned>yep
08:30<mtn>jned: then you must be in fallback mode and probably need video drivers to get 3d acceleration
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08:31<jned>mtn, yep, but I did two installs, the first one didn't go into fallback mode, but this second time it did. So do you know what video drivers I should search for?
08:31<wamicho>hello is there a way to have two users with the same user id ?
08:31<jned>I can just purge and try again, but that would take an hour
08:31<jned>ls
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08:31<dario^CIP>wamicho: why would you want that?
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08:33<mtn>jned: no, you need to look for drivers for your card. just a sec
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08:33<mtn>jned: start here: https://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard
08:33<wamicho>dario^CIP: i have some scripts which in order to run a user invoking them should have the same user id as the person installed them
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08:33<jned>mtn thx
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08:37<stdhell>wamicho: setuid is your friend...
08:37<stdhell>But yes, it is possible... Sort of...
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08:39<stdhell>wamicho: I just created two users "foo" and "bar" on one of my machines. Different logins, different passwords, but when "bar" logs in and run "id" I get: uid=1007(foo) gid=1007(foo) groups=1007(foo)
08:41<mju>stdhell: out of curiosity, what is the home directory of "bar"?
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08:42<stdhell>/home/bar
08:42<stdhell>But the prompt said "foo@..."
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08:45<wamicho>stdhell: ok can foo own that uid for a specific time
08:45<stdhell>wamicho: Having two users with the same uid is NOT the right way to solve your problem.
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08:47<wamicho>stdhell: i want that user to own that uid for a specific time then it regains its normal id..
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08:49<nadir>You might want to pastebin the script of which you say it needs to be run like that. So people get a better idea of the problem (not of your specific solution)
08:50<stdhell>wamicho: You would probably have to make sure that the user is logged out while you change the uid. And you might want to change the owner of the homedir and so on. But it's NOT the right solution.
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08:50<mju>also, there is su and sudo.
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08:56<wamicho>stdhell: I have scripts which are supposed to be manually executed when a service goes down and there is only one account able to do that which it can not be given to other people i want someone to have that access for a short period of time and then it expires using their own accounts
08:56<wamicho>stdhell: what do i do ...
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08:58<stdhell>wamicho: You make a small file in /etc/sudoers.d when you want the user to have access and delete it again when he no longer has access.
08:59<stdhell>s/delete/rename so it ends with a ~ or contains a ./
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09:03<wolfgang_>hi
09:04<stdhell>!hi
09:04<dpkg>hello, stdhell
09:04<stdhell>D'oh... :-)
09:04<wolfgang_>doch jemand da
09:04<stdhell>!de
09:04<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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09:18<dem>test
09:18<denDekkenPolak>moien
09:18<Maulkin>Do you have a Debian question?
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09:18<stdhell>dem: It didn't work.
09:19<DenJonAsSchwul>yes my terminal doesnt work
09:19<dem>fuck you bitch
09:19<dem>i fucked your mother
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09:36<nickname>french people .
09:36<nickname>?*
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09:36<stdhell>!fr
09:36<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
09:36<nickname>thnak ^^
09:37<nickname>thank*
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10:24<jned>gnome3 is awesome
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10:30<lostson>jned: agreed
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11:08<sarge1221>Real simple question but should we run sudo apt-get install ca-certificates for a new debian install or does it already have certificates available upon initial startup of debian?
11:09<odla>hi, i trying to run gnome 3 but it is only running in fall back mode. i dont know why
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11:10<mtn>odla: https://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard
11:10<mtn>odla: you may need different drivers
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11:10<odla>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Haswell Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
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11:16<petn-randall>sarge1221: What are you trying to achieve? That's the far more interesting question.
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11:17<sarge1221>petn-randall, Learn how to use this thing every little bit that I can. That starts by learning how to maximise security even if isn't windows. :)
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11:18<petn-randall>sarge1221: Maximize security on what? Certificates alone won't get you anything.
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11:20<sarge1221>petn-randall, yes but they do tell what servers are secure with signatures if I'm correct. they alone won't do anything but it is a step in the right direction so can you answer the question as to if the certificates are installed by default or do we need to manually add them? Mainly looking at securing irc xchat client.
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11:20<petn-randall>sarge1221: Dont' hesitate to ask, just don't jump to conclusions before you fully understand the issue.
11:21<petn-randall>sarge1221: Any application that relies on SSL/TLS and certificate checking will depend on that package, so no need to install it by hand.
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11:22<ivanoov>hi :)
11:22<sarge1221>petn-randall, ok so they are installed by default? Just asking since linux is a lot more bare bones than windows and tends to leave a lot of packages out.
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11:30<petn-randall>sarge1221: no, they're installed when a program depends on it. I don't know how xchat does SSL authentication, but AFAICS it doesn't use the certificates in ca-certificates.
11:31<petn-randall>sarge1221: BTW, xchat also uses openssl on Windows, no difference here.
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11:41<sarge1221>petn-randall, ok how do i make it use certificates to authenticate?
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11:42<RayzrShrp>so does anybody know if there is a site that outlines whats all needed to make my wheezy desktop look like mac os x?
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11:43<abrotman>RayzrShrp: exactly like?
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11:44<RayzrShrp>abrotman: well not exactly but with a nice stable dock across the bottom
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11:44<RayzrShrp>abrotman: i know there is cario dock and another but not sure which is more stable and widely supported/used
11:44<abrotman>gnome3 + dock would be pretty similar IMO
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11:45<RayzrShrp>does debian have gnome3 in it?
11:45<RayzrShrp>everything ive read says gnome3 is a turd
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11:49<sarge1221>Would this scan results for rkhunter be worth getting concerned about? http://pastebin.com/w3KC7eyx
11:49<sney>RayzrShrp: gnome3 is one option among many
11:49<sney>RayzrShrp: and it's usable, it's just polarizing because it's closer to a tablet interface than a desktop
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11:52<sarge1221>RayzrShrp, if you want the path of least resistance to get a better desktop I recommend you look at http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php otherwise you might get lucky and get a walk through on how to properly remove gnome 3 and replace it with a much preferred desktop though it is a pain since it has a tendency to mess up your file package manager if you totally install it wrong.
11:53<RayzrShrp>sarge1221: yeah linux mint is nice but for some reason it doesn't play well with vmware workstation
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11:53<RayzrShrp>sarge1221: debian runs like a champ but i think the gnome3 screws up under virtualization
11:53<RayzrShrp>so for wheezy is there a preferred dock?
11:54<sarge1221>RayzrShrp, I agree with you and that is why I won't install mint myself but it is a catch 22 situation. your damned with gnome 3 or your damned without it seemingly. T_T
11:54<RayzrShrp>anybody heard of the mac4lin project?
11:54<RayzrShrp>sarge1221: agreed :)
11:55<RayzrShrp>mint would be great on a dedicated machine
11:55<sarge1221>RayzrShrp, maybe someday we might get a innovation to where a question is jsut generated during installation that asks what desktop you want and you could jsut avoid the problem all together. ><'
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11:56<mtn>sarge1221: the installer will let you choose from a list of multiple desktops during install
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11:56<sarge1221>mtn, I saw no such thing in my disk.
11:57<sarge1221>mtn, unless you mean the preseeds which i still am learning how that works
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11:57<mtn>sarge1221: didn't look ;) it is under advanced or similar. I did kde from the netinstall
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11:58<sarge1221>mtn, umm why not make that a general default selection since i believe picking a desktop isn't very advanced. That is like me assuming the user would never want to change their desktop wallpaper and so leave that functionality completely out all because they didn't select "advanced" during the installation process...
11:59<abrotman>RayzrShrp: Gnome3 is actually quite good, and worth a try
11:59<mtn>sarge1221: don't ask me, I don't create debian :P
11:59<abrotman>RayzrShrp: there's no reason to use Mint, and it's not supported here
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12:01<sarge1221>abrotman, gnome 3 is like windows 8 desktop. it tried too hard to be different and instead made what was a simple process much more time consuming
12:01<abrotman>sarge1221: it's worth a try
12:01<abrotman>troll all you want
12:01<abrotman>it's still worth a try
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12:01<abrotman>just like kde4 and xfce and Cinnamon .. try them all til you find one that works
12:02<abrotman>and he's asking for something that is OSX-like ... gnome3 is probably the closest in the linux world
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12:02<sarge1221>abrotman, how is it trolling when I'm stuck with it? I hardly consider that trolling. I've tested the thing for over six months. It does wonder for my snail pace education of the linux OS let me tell you.
12:03<mtn>sarge1221: you can use any desktop you choose
12:03<abrotman>sarge1221: what about it doesn't work for you? instead of ranting, try to get help
12:03<RayzrShrp>i seem to recall it doesnt allow you to minimize windows
12:03<RayzrShrp>or maybe that was only in fedora
12:04<mtn>RayzrShrp: of course it does
12:04<RayzrShrp>gnome3 doesnt work under vmware so its a meudt point
12:04<abrotman>(note, you can replace Mutter as the WM for gnome3)
12:04<sarge1221>RayzrShrp, it doesn't let you see multiple windows at once. Making it a pain to have to keep bringing up the main interface just to switch to one or another tab...
12:05*mtn thinks this is now the fud channel ;)
12:05<sarge1221>RayzrShrp, it also won't let you open mroe tahn one document seemingly from libreoffice. you have to go into the window and select new...
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12:05<abrotman>sarge1221: uh, it most certainly does .. you're lying now
12:05<RayzrShrp>so why did debian choose to stay on gnome2 or are they on gnome3 now
12:05<abrotman>on both accounts
12:05<abrotman>RayzrShrp: gnome2 is dead upstream, wheezy uses gnome3
12:05<RayzrShrp>oh ok
12:06<RayzrShrp>so i dont get it shouldnt wheezy be more mac like then
12:06<SynrG>#debian-offtopic please
12:06<RayzrShrp>how do i get the fancy icon bar across the bottom of the screen like mac os x
12:06<abrotman>RayzrShrp: try gnome3, spend a couple hours with it .. if you don't like it try something else
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12:06<sarge1221>SynrG, Gnome is your default desktop selection so therefore it is very much still on topic.
12:06<RayzrShrp>abrotman: you said debian is using gnome3
12:07<SynrG>sarge1221: i refer specifically to the question of what debian should or should not be like
12:07<abrotman>RayzrShrp: in wheezy, yes
12:07<RayzrShrp>then im running gnome3 since im running wheezy
12:07<abrotman>well, wheezy and beyond (but you have many other options available)
12:07<SynrG>if we stick to support, fine. if we want to talk about pros & cons of debian's choices, that goes to #d-ot
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12:07<abrotman>RayzrShrp: it has a black bar across the top, and a launcher on the side when you hit the Windows key?
12:08<RayzrShrp>abrotman: no so i think im running in fallback mode maybe?
12:08<RayzrShrp>is there a way to check that?
12:08<abrotman>RayzrShrp: that's possible, what's your video card?
12:08<RayzrShrp>its running under vmware
12:08<RayzrShrp>so its a virtual card isnt it?
12:08<abrotman>oh, then almost assuredly it's in fallback mode
12:08<RayzrShrp>my desktop that runs vmware has an evga nvidia gtx 260
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12:08<abrotman>last i checked, vmware simulates an S3 card
12:08*abrotman retches
12:09<sarge1221>SynrG, well Last I recall every distro had a goal for providing ease of use to the user because that generally means more people will use it. Or did you fail to take any business classes in school? Even non-profit ventures need interested parties regardless of the money aspect. you would all quit tommorow if no one used debian and that is the truth.
12:09<abrotman>sarge1221: Debian and Gnome3 are both easy to use
12:09<RayzrShrp>so then abrotman is running gnome3 virtualized not a possibility
12:09<SynrG>sarge1221: now you're just trolling. i did not want to make the conversation go away, just take it to #d-ot where i would be happy to talk about non-support issues with you and anyone else.
12:09<RayzrShrp>er wheezy virtualized
12:10<abrotman>RayzrShrp: I don't know if vmware can emulate a "real" video card or not
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12:10<abrotman>RayzrShrp: check the settings in the vmware controller
12:10<mtn>RayzrShrp: it would work fine in virtualbox
12:10<RayzrShrp>i know i have 3d support enabled
12:10<sarge1221>abrotman, by general consensus that is only half truth and your opinion. By that statement you never took a business marketing class either. Your opinion means little the number crunching sheet is all that matters at the end of the day and many people say they hate gnome 3.
12:10<RayzrShrp>mtn you've had good luck with vbox
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12:10<SynrG>sarge1221: once again, #d-ot
12:10<mtn>RayzrShrp: it usually works fine for most distros
12:10<abrotman>sarge1221: and many people love Windows .. your point is not valid
12:10<SynrG>or /dev/null if you're just going to attack people
12:11<RayzrShrp>seems odd that a free vm works better then a paid lol
12:11<abrotman>RayzrShrp: for some, it's about stability
12:11<mtn>RayzrShrp: really, not to me. check windows vs. linux
12:11<RayzrShrp>mtn: good point
12:11<Guest4859>Hello
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12:11<RayzrShrp>i know ive run virtualbox in the past but vmware had more polish
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12:12<jned>how can I tell if i have 32 or 64 bit? cat /proc/cpuinfo
12:12<abrotman>jned: look for the 'lm' flag
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12:13<sarge1221>abrotman, or perhaps maybe people love windows because the linux folks haven't quite understood the concept yet of making it run out of the box so maybe I could browse the internet without having to spend two weeks troubleshooting the issue? I get the whole freedom aspect but your the polar extreme of windows, you expect everyone to have a phd in computer science to use this OS and that is why it has and never will be the top
12:13<sarge1221>desktop environment but only server basis for consumers.
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12:13<Guest4859>Was wondering if anyone has a good understanding of Security Onion? I'm a student teaching my self the OS and its tools and was looking for some helpful answers from some one that is more Knowledgeable then my self. Thanks any help would be greatly appreciated
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12:14<mtn>Guest4859: this channel supports only debian
12:14<abrotman>sarge1221: good for you, I love your shoes
12:14<jned>sarge1221, haha, get out of here man
12:14<SynrG>can we return to support please and stop feeding the troll?
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12:14<pure>Hi.
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12:15<pure>When I connect to a shell, (whether by ssh or tmux), .bashrc is not being executed.
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12:15<abrotman>pure: .bashrc says at the top it's for non-login shells
12:15<pure>When did that change happen?
12:15<pure>Every other distro executes .bashrc o.o
12:15<abrotman>1997?
12:15<SynrG>since forever
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12:16<SynrG>pure: see /etc/skel/.profile
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12:16<SynrG>pure: if your .profile or .bash_profile does not explicitly source .bashrc, it won't be executed
12:16<sarge1221>Sorry I'm no troll i merely speak truths. Sorry they hurt you so badly and by the way when I get that international business management MBA degree finished I have every intention of burying all of you in the linux market because quite frankly your a sad excuse for a organization. I can do better sorry and I plan to prove it even if I can't program that well yet. ^_^
12:16<SynrG>for login shells
12:17<abrotman>sarge1221: use #debian-offtopic if you want to continue, thank you .. we'll gladly trounce all your arguments there :)
12:17<SynrG>i'm not hurt in the least
12:17<SynrG>i just recognize a troll when i see one
12:17<jned>young dreamer, those were the days
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12:18<abrotman>see, i knew he wouldn't go to #debian-offtopic ..
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12:19<sarge1221>abrotman, I said my piece there is nothing more to be said
12:19<abrotman>Yes, we know you're wrong, conversation over :)
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12:20<jned>sarge1221, we can't reply here, because it is offtopic, if you want a response then go there
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12:22<pure>Is there a way to make directory listings coloured by default?
12:22<abrotman>yes, a bash alias
12:22<sarge1221>jned, you assume I expected a honest response? That would mean I would have to take you seriously and I blatantly stated that I don't. I merely made a statement your response is merely to stroke your bruised ego's. :)
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12:23<pure>does that include colour in tab completions?
12:23-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
12:23-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@h38.251.40.69.static.ip.windstream.net] by abrotman
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12:23<abrotman>sarge1221: seriously, #debian-offtopic if you want to continue
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12:28<Maulkin>abrotman: Wow - more patience than I would have had.
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12:29<abrotman>Maulkin: it only got bad toward the end, but we did ask him to move multiple times
12:29<Maulkin>Yeah, I saw
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12:30<abrotman>and when someone does the "Ha, I get the last word as I /part", that's a good sign of a troll
12:30*RayzrShrp sighs
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12:31<KittenGNU>o.o Talking about bruised ego; have a bigger one yourself...
12:31<KittenGNU>Jeez.
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12:33<abrotman>RayzrShrp: if you were using gnome3 in regular mode, you'd see it is more like OSX. You might want to look at screenshots of Gnome3 and XFCE
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12:38<RayzrShrp>does wheezy support docky
12:38<James_T>docky?
12:38<RayzrShrp>looks like its in the apt-get
12:38<bodam2005>I am running docky on wheezy
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12:39<keep>oi
12:39<bodam2005>...and I installed it from the repos
12:40<RayzrShrp>bodam2005: are you running gnome3
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12:40<bodam2005>No...xfce
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12:40<RayzrShrp>hmmm ok
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12:41<RayzrShrp>i bet xfce would run much better virtualized
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13:02<KittenGNU>Um, does win32-loader still work? It just fetches the latest netinstall, right?
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13:04<KittenGNU>And is it possible to pull 64-bit with it?
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13:13<KittenGNU>P: Well wikipedia confirmed it to me
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13:13<KittenGNU>so oh well
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13:57<roberto>Hello i have debian install over a USB Flash
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13:57<abrotman>!tell roberto about usb install
13:57<roberto>but now i con only boot if the USB Flash ist in the PC
13:57<abrotman>what?
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13:58<roberto>I have debian installed with a USB stick.
13:58<roberto>I can boot debian only when the stick is in there
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13:59<Nemoder>grub2 is detecting a windows 7 recovery partition and adding it to the menu, how do I remove that entry?
13:59<abrotman>roberto: it sounds like you didn't do the install correctly
14:00<roberto>I think so too
14:00<roberto>perhaps any entry in grub written wrong
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14:02<roberto>Can I look up the grub entries somewhere
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14:02<lostson>sounds like he set grub or the mbr to boot from the usb stick
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14:03<roberto>can i change dies?
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14:10<maxy>Nemoder: Not sure, I think you'll need to disable os-prober and add the other oses entries as custom entries.
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14:12<blast007>!tell roberto about fixmbr
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14:19<Nemoder>maxy: that worked, thanks
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14:46<giovanni>salve
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15:18<glad>hi guys i'm new here and i have no sound on edubuntu 13.04
15:18<abrotman>glad: this channel is for Debian, please try #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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15:19<glad>thnx
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15:35<giovanni>!list
15:35<dpkg>giovanni: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.2.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
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15:37<giovanni>!list
15:37<dpkg>giovanni: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più.
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15:38<musca>hi giovanni
15:38<musca>who told you about the !list command?
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15:39<terrible96>hi i trying to upgrade iceweasel i using debian squeeze here my repo
15:39<terrible96>http://pastebin.com/B4BNV5G5
15:39<terrible96>but i have problem with the keyring
15:40<terrible96>and iceweasel just upgrade it to version 10
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15:43<musca>terrible96: visit http://mozilla.debian.net/ select oldstable+Iceweasel+esr from the listboxes and see
15:44<musca>and begin a plan for dist-upgrade to wheezy
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15:45<terrible96>musca, but how can i resolve the problem with the keyring??
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15:49<stderr>terrible96: I'm not sure it would help, but maybe you should put the error message about the keyring on http://paste.debian.net/
15:50<stderr>It might give a clue about what problem you're having.
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15:54<terrible96>i finally upgrade it iceweasel to the lastest version thank dude
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15:55<william>Does krdc support terminal services / remote desktop gateway?
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15:56<stderr>william: "... It can connect to Windows Terminal Servers using RDP ..."
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15:57<william>I have a few Windows servers that I would need to go through a gateway.
15:57<william>Can't find anything in krdc that says it supports it.
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16:10<SOUL_OF_R00T>anyone can give me a tip about what i have to install under gnome to display shows a application icons on the botton of destop i think it is like a plugin maybe?
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17:00<kiko>hi guys
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17:15<kiko>hi
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17:22<petn-randall>Hello kiko. Do you have a Debian support question?
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17:24<kiko>hello
17:24<kiko>yes
17:24<kiko>i've some problems with ldap server configuration
17:28<william>If I have a package installed from Jessie, krdc, and want to upgrade it to the sid version should apt-get -tsid upgrade krdc work?
17:29<abrotman>william: you can't wait 2-10 days?
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17:29<william>Well I can, but now just curious:) That command I wrote wanted to upgrade 242 packages.
17:29<abrotman>it sure will
17:30<william>so that isn't for upgrading single packages?
17:30<william>I should remove and install?
17:30<abrotman>dpkg: tell william about ssb
17:33<william>abrotman: not sure what that really gets me.
17:33<abrotman>a backport of sid without upgrding half your packages
17:34<babilen>william: Wait, are you tracking jessie or sid?
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17:34<babilen>wheezy or jessie that is :)
17:34<michaeljcant>hello
17:35<william>Jessie with it set as default and sid added right now for IceWeasel 24.
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17:35<babilen>william: Okay, you want #debian-next then, but a backport would still be an option if you don't want to pull in all those dependencies.
17:36<william>I just wanted to see if the new krdc has the rd gateway support.
17:36<william>I just removed krdc and then installed from sid and it just did the krdc and the 2 libs...
17:36<william>So just seems the upgrade line doesn't allow me to choose just a single package to upgrade I suppose...
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17:37<babilen>william: You cannot "upgrade" a single package. Well, not with the "upgrade" command at least, but with the "install" command.
17:37<william>and that oh ok, didn't try that.
17:37<william>well I did remove first anyway.
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17:38<babilen>william: Check the manpage, upgrade does not take package names as arguments
17:38<william>thanks
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17:45<keep>appmusca
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17:49<william>How could I have figured out that the binary for the freerdp-x11 package is named xfreerdp?
17:50<NinjaCougar>Trying to install Debian and I have tried normal mode but it shows random pixels everywhere when I run recovery mode the last line says "Cannot find any crtc or sizes - going 1024x768. Any idea how to get Debian to load?
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17:52<william>NinjaCougar: on google, I found a lot of references to the gma500 graphics chip.
17:55<NinjaCougar>I have 2 on this system an Intel HD Graphics and NVIDIA GeForce GT330M. I thought it would boot in recovery mode regardless.
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18:03<NinjaCougar>Is there a way to "turn off" the nvidia and keep the intel?
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18:07<maxy>NinjaCougar: bbswitch
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18:08<maxy>NinjaCougar: it's an optimus, right?
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18:10<James_T>NinjaCougar: deb will use the intel regardless, you'll need to install bbswitch so you can turn off the nvidia to save power
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18:10<NinjaCougar>no it's a MacBook Pro
18:11<James_T>...
18:11<James_T>Do they have optimus
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18:13<James_T>NinjaCougar: which model.
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18:14<NinjaCougar>(6,2)
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18:14<James_T>Year could help
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18:14<NinjaCougar>sorry 2010
18:15<James_T>2012? 2013?
18:15<James_T>Oh ok
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18:15<James_T>The 2010 ones apparently use some apple custom stuff
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18:20<NinjaCougar>gross…
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18:20<James_T>And that it's a pain to switch even In OSX
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18:21<NinjaCougar>Wonderful. I guess there is no simple way to install Debian on a MacBook Pro.
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19:41<SOUL_OF_R00T>i have a friend planning to start on debian, what can i recommend he reads first ? thx!
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19:47<serverhorror>the text on the first screen of the installer :)
19:48<serverhorror>what does he want to do? (what is he usually doing when working with a pc?)
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19:50<babilen>dpkg: tell SOUL_OF_R00T -about handbook
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20:27<Lancelot>Hello everyone, I need to figure out if debian has the drivers to run this IO controller: http://ark.intel.com/products/27680/Intel-82801GBM-IO-Controller. How can I go about doing that? Thanks!
20:31<Lancelot>Whenever I try to boot a live CD the kernel times out while trying to initialize it
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20:32<Lancelot>and I've verified the system works, so it's something with the new image
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20:35<Nemoder>likely it requires a newer kernel or non-free firmware
20:36<Lancelot>Nemoder: well that's the issue I think
20:36<Lancelot>the kernel I'm trying to boot is newer than the old one that was installed on the system
20:36<Lancelot>so I'm wondering if the new kernel still has the divers for it
20:37<Lancelot>I don't know how to test it
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20:38<Nemoder>the firmware-linux-nonfree package does contain some intel blobs
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20:39<Nemoder>it's possible they used to be included with the kernel but were moved there, but I dont know specifically if that's true
20:41<Lancelot>right
20:42<Lancelot>is there a list that shows what hardware those blobs will support?
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20:50<chealer>kanzure: in the package description, but it has nothing for your controller
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20:52<themill>Lancelot: that's a pretty old piece of hardware. I'd be surprised if it were not supported
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20:53<Lancelot>themill: well I have no choice but to use it. :/
20:53<Lancelot>themill: actually, my buddy just figured out the issue
20:54<Lancelot>themill: the sata controller was set to IDE mode instead of AHCI
20:54<Lancelot>so that's great
20:54<Lancelot>mystery solved
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21:15<Anon0000>heyy
21:15<Anon0000>any Texas people??
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22:15<oregonic>im trying to set up iptables on a fresh wheezy install. i just want http https ftp and transmission ports open. can someone please simplify this
22:15<oregonic>also i want apt-get open too
22:16<oregonic>and xchat :)
22:17<dvs>oregonic: https://wiki.debian.org/iptables
22:17<James_T>you'll want to keep outgoing open
22:17<dualbus>oregonic: ports to the outside? do you know that conections from the client happen on any port >10000 or something like that
22:17<James_T>just firewall incoming :/
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22:51<oregonic>James_T i want to firewall potential malware...
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22:52<oregonic>dualbus: so transmission is not really iptables friendly
22:52<oregonic>or any torrent client
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22:56<oregonic>btw thanks for https://wiki.debian.org/iptables
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22:57<dualbus>oregonic: malware? what kind of malware?
22:58<dualbus>also, nothing is going to stop this «malware» to use the already open ports
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23:00<oregonic>ok two questions... apt-get downloads from what port? 80? and also... a javascript malware that sends your information like IP and MAC to a remote server... im not sure what port they would be using
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23:06<oregonic>so i ended up finding http://www.mista.nu/iptables/
23:06<dualbus>oregonic: uh, use something like noscript?
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23:07<dualbus>also, the IP, you mean your local IP? and how is it going to find out your MAC address? there's no HTML5 API for that, last time I checked d:
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23:09<wulong>hehe
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23:10<wulong>怎么大家不停退出
23:10<dualbus>oregonic: You're looking for answers in the wrong places. A firewall isn't going to protect you at that level.
23:11<wulong>are you talking with me?
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23:17<oregonic>afwall+ for android is a gui based iptables config... works awesome btw on my phone
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23:45<wamicho>Hello is there a way to extract file creation time ....
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23:56<dualbus>wamicho: no, traditional file systems don't store that information
23:56<dualbus>although if you use a different file system it might
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