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---Logopened Sat Nov 09 00:00:19 2013
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00:05<gsimmons>thatguychuck: aptitude search '~i?origin(Debian Backports)'
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00:12<thatguychuck>gsimmons: Thank you! I think that will work just fine,
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00:28<Tingle>I installed debian 64bit, but I notice most packages being for 32bit, is this a problem or will they run without an issue on my 64bit debian install?
00:28<SamB>Tingle: eh?
00:29<Tingle>im running debian on a virtualbox, i choose Linux and Debian (64bit) as OS
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00:30<Tingle>then I installed debian 7 wheezy i386
00:30<Tingle>because i have an intel processor
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00:32<Tingle>and now im wanting to install nginx, so I choose the package nginx-full but in the add/remove software browser it has a (32-bit) behind the package name
00:32<Tingle>and I was wondering if that will cause issues with my OS
00:32<SamB>i386 32-bit, yes
00:33<SamB>amd64 is the 64-bit one
00:33<Tingle>but I dont have a amd
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00:34<SamB>amd designed the ISA, so they got to name it
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00:34<Tingle>wait if I typ uname -m into my terminal it says i686
00:34<Tingle>so its a 64bit kernel?
00:34<SamB>though some people use the earlier name x86-64
00:35<SamB>no, i686 is what comes after i586 (pentium)
00:35<Tingle>and if I type #file /usr/bin/file, it says ELF 32-bit LSB executable
00:35<Tingle>so I did install 32bit
00:35<Tingle>how did that work if I choose debian 64bit o.O
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00:36<SamB>I've not used virtual box, so I really have no idea
00:36<Tingle>but in theory if I would have installed the amd64 bit version of debian, would 32bit packages work?
00:36<Tingle>because I dont see 64bit versions
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00:37<Tingle>that means that everything is layed out for 32bit o.O?
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00:38<SamB>some packages would; some wouldn't because some of their dependencies don't support multiarch
00:38<Tingle>k so its good that i installed the 32bit version
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00:40<Tingle>ok thx for the info
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00:43<Tingle>so these debian packages, for example - they list standard modules and optional modules, I just installed the package over the Add/Remove Software interface, did it install the optional modules or where do I activate them?
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00:44<Tingle>and where did it install this to?
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00:49<Tingle>ah, it installs packages into /etc/
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00:53<m00haha>I'm trying to get a VPS up and running with a GUI using tightvncserver. At first I was connecting with the tightvnc client, which was giving me a blank grey box. Now I cannot connect at all and the following line in the vncserver log: sh:1 /root/.vnc/xstartup: not found. That file is definitely there and w/ permissions set to 755...Any ideas on how
00:53<m00haha> I can remedy this?
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00:59<Tingle>meh this is annoying, I cant edit files or anything using my user even tho i added myself to the sudo group - I always have to open and edit the file or create things over the console. cant I give my user a active sudo permission?
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01:04<jeep>Tingle: you used visudo ?
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01:12<Tingle>mm considering Ive never heard of it, seems not ^^
01:13<Tingle>I keep getting permission denied on everything
01:13<Tingle>cant even start nginx
01:13<jeep>you have to edit the sudoers file with it
01:13<Tingle>what do you mean
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01:14<Tingle>theres only a readme file in there
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01:15<jeep>Tingle: that page has the info pretty well covered
01:15<Tingle>I dont have that file
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01:15<Tingle>the file /etc/sudoers.d is all that exists
01:16<Tingle>and its a folder
01:16<Tingle>with only a README in it
01:17<jeep>i have sudoers
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01:17<Tingle>debian 7
01:17<Tingle>is what I have
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01:18<jeep>Tingle: is sudo installed ?
01:18<jeep>Tingle: dpkg -l | grep sudo
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01:19<Tingle>just did apt-get install sudo
01:20<Tingle>and it installed something
01:20<jeep>now you have /etc/sudoers ?
01:22<Tingle>I also seem unable to type that | symbol
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01:22<Tingle>or any key that requires me to press ctrl alt
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01:23<Tingle>this is how my keyboard looks like
01:23<Tingle>and as you can see, some keys have a third key on them
01:23<Tingle>like +*~
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01:23<Tingle>next to the enter
01:23<Tingle>and to press ~
01:23<Tingle>I need to press ctrl+alt++
01:24<m00haha>That's rough. this linux stuff is hard enough with a US keyboard!
01:25*SamB thought that combo was used for zooming ...
01:26<Tingle>so this is a OS keyboard issue?
01:26<Tingle>or virtualbox?
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01:34<Tingle>ah got it
01:34<Tingle>fixed my key issue :)
01:35<Tingle>ok so I did dpkg -l | grep sudo
01:36<Tingle>what should I be look at now?
01:37<Tingle>ii sudo 1.8.5p2-1+nmu 1 i386
01:37<Tingle>Procide limited super user privileges to specific users
01:37<Tingle>still dont have a sudoers file
01:37<SamB>,v sudo
01:37<Tingle>just sudoers.d
01:37<judd>Package: sudo on i386 -- squeeze: 1.7.4p4-2.squeeze.4; squeeze-security: 1.7.4p4-2.squeeze.4; squeeze-backports: 1.8.5p2-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.8.5p2-1+nmu1; jessie: 1.8.8-2; sid: 1.8.8-2
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01:39<Tingle>ah I typed in visudo
01:39<Tingle>now it created a sudoers.tmp and im editing the file
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01:42<nocturnal>,v openssh
01:42<judd>No package named 'openssh' was found in i386.
01:42<nocturnal>,v sshd
01:42<judd>No package named 'sshd' was found in i386.
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01:42<nocturnal>,v openssh-server
01:42<judd>Package: openssh-server on i386 -- squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze4; wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4; wheezy-backports: 1:6.2p2-6~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:6.2p2-6; sid: 1:6.2p2-6
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01:44<Tingle>so I added "christopher ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL" under the # User privlege specification section
01:44<Tingle>still cant run /etc/init.d/nginx start
01:44<Tingle>Starting nginx: nginx: [alert] could not open error log file: open() "/var/log/nginx/error.log" failed (13: Permission denied)
01:45<Tingle>is this because I dont have privledges or the application?
01:45<Tingle>yeah because I dont
01:45<Tingle>if I do #su and login, it works
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01:47<Tingle>so how do I give my user "active" sudo rights?
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01:50<Tingle>uid=1000(christopher) gid=1000(christopher) groups=1000(christopher),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),103(vboxsf),105(scanner),108(bluetooth),110(netdev)
01:50<Tingle>it says im sudo
01:50<Tingle>and im in the sudoers file
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02:01<Tingle>anyone :/?
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02:11<jeep>Tingle: did you use visudo to edit the sudoers and did you run sudo /path/nginx start
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02:12<Tingle>I have to add sudo to the script?
02:12<Tingle>well I have permission, I never said I didnt
02:12<Tingle>if I do it like that
02:12<Tingle>and type in my password
02:13<Tingle>but I want to run the script without having to login everytime
02:13<jeep>you need to add NOPASSWD:foo
02:13<Tingle>to what
02:14<Tingle>and then in my I can run sudo /etc/nginx start?
02:14<jeep>visudo again and add NOPASSWD:/path/to/nginx
02:14<Tingle>or without sudo
02:14<jeep>with sudo .. you need the nopasswd option so it wont stop for the password
02:15<Tingle>eh do I have to do that for every application I install, cant I somehow active my account to have sudo access over everything so I dont have to do that everytime or edit files over terminal?
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02:17<jeep>you can do NOPASSWD:ALL but thats a nono from security point
02:17<Tingle>:P k
02:17<Tingle>if I typ in sudo /etc/init.d/nginx start
02:18<Tingle>it says sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 30
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02:18<Tingle>that is line 30
02:19<Tingle>mm still says it
02:20<Tingle>is something wrong with the line NOPASSWD:/etc/nginx
02:20<Tingle>that is the folder
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02:23<jeep>Tingle: it neds to be the actual path /etc/init.d/nginx
02:24<shirish_>Tingle: /etc/init.d/nginx
02:25<shirish_>jeep: sorry didn't see.
02:25<Tingle>but that isnt where nginx is installed
02:25<jeep>thats the init script for it
02:26<shirish_>Tingle: try running it manually as 'sudo /etc/init.d/nginx start' and you'll get it.
02:26<shirish_>Tingle: also read 'man init'
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02:27<Tingle>so I have "NOPASSWD:/etc/init.d/nginx" at the bottom of my sudoers file
02:28<Tingle>and when running "sudo /etc/init.d/nginx start", it gives me sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 30
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02:29<Tingle>should I maybe write "%users ALL = NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/nginx" into sudoers?
02:29<Tingle>thats what it says here on some ubuntu sudo config help
02:30<Tingle>hmmno, if I do that the parse error is gone but it still asks for a password
02:31<jeep>Tingle: im sure they mean to substitute your username into that position
02:31<Tingle>that works
02:31<Tingle>"christopher ALL = NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/nginx"
02:31<Tingle>now the script runs
02:31<jeep>now we know your name
02:32<jeep>and the NSA will put you on the watch list
02:32<Tingle>ok ^^
02:32<Tingle>btw, is there a way I can run my script without telling it how?
02:32<Tingle>i created .sh files on my desktop
02:33<Tingle>but when I double click them, it asks to Run in Terminal, Display, Cancle or Run
02:33<jeep>oh not sure what desktop you using?
02:33<Tingle>think Gnome 3
02:34<Tingle>the standard with Debian 7 "Wheezy"
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02:40<Tingle>figured it out,
02:40<Tingle>ok well thanks for the help, think I can finaly get my stuff running ^^
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02:43<jeep>Tingle: cool :)
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03:09<Tingle>jeep one more question ^^ - I installed mysql and nginx, and they start when the system starts - is there a way I can turn that off so I have to start them manualy?
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03:21<babilen>dpkg: tell Tingle -about disable service
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03:44<Kluk-Klu1>good morning, is there a way to display output of a command in /etc/motd ?
03:45<babilen>dpkg: tell Kluk-Klu1 -about motd
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03:53<Kluk-Klu1>found something:
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04:14<babilen>Kluk-Klu1: Did you read the message our bot (dpkg) sent you?
04:16<xvistaman>i have a quick question if any one can answer me may seem stupid but is there any way be it website or any really to get a list of all the pkgs the are offerd by the std apt repos i always have trouble locating pkgs and such so a list would be verry helpful thanks
04:17<babilen>xvistaman: What do you need it for?
04:18<Kluk-Klu1>babilen: yes I did, it is helpful I'm customizing some servers and custom motd would simplifie things...
04:19<babilen>xvistaman: I mean there are Packages.{bz2,gz} files on the mirrors, but that might or might not be what you are looking for.
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04:20<babilen>dpkg: tell xvistaman -about search
04:20<xvistaman>well nnothing in particular right now but usualy when i need to compile an app i usualy end up needing to install something and dont always have the right name for apt or it says that it cant find what im looking for it would jsut be sueful to have a list to look up with the correct names
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04:20<babilen>xvistaman: I'd rather hone your search skills - Learn how to use apt-cache, aptitude, apt-file, debtags, axi-cache, ... effectively. :)
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04:24<valdyn>$ apt-cache search "" | wc -l
04:25<valdyn>xvistaman: theres your list ^^
04:29<xvistaman>ok thanks for the help XD
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04:58<bartm>do we have something in Debian like this to calculate a base64 encoded sha256 checksum ? sha256sum --raw filename | base64
04:59<valdyn>bartm: yes
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05:03<bartm>valdyn: with coreutils 8.21-1 I get "sha256sum: unrecognized option '--raw'" so it's not clear to me what exactly you mean by "yes"
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05:05<valdyn>bartm: it means that you can do this in debian, but I do not actually know what --raw means
05:06<bartm>valdyn: sha256sum writes the checksum in hexadecimal notation, and my question is how to get that in base64 notation
05:06<valdyn>bartm: you use the base64 command
05:06<valdyn>bartm: but then again, its already not hex
05:06<valdyn>bartm: so its probably already base64
05:07<valdyn>bartm: nevermind, its hex
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05:07<valdyn>bartm: is your only problem that sha256sum prints a "-" at the end?
05:07<bartm>valdyn: no, my problem is that I want the checksum in base64 instead of in hex
05:08<valdyn>bartm: so use the base64 command
05:09<bartm>valdyn: I don't want the hex checksum in base64, I want the checksum in base64
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05:12<bartm>both sha256sum in coreutils and shasum in libdigest-sha-perl write the checsum in hex, so piping to base64 is not a solution, so a --raw option or something like that would be nice to prevent the hex encoding
05:13<bartm>or an "unhex" command line tool :-)
05:13<valdyn>echo "test" | /usr/sbin/sha256 | base64
05:14<valdyn>bartm: that looks about right to me. If you can verify...
05:14<valdyn>bartm: package is hashalot
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05:17<bartm>valdyn: yes that is what I'm looking for, thanks a lot !
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05:18<bartm>weird that sha256 is in /usr/sbin however
05:19<valdyn>bartm: Maybe your use case is very exotic
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05:19<valdyn>but obviously that package cannot be use only for what the package description sais
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05:20<bartm>annoying that /usr/sbin/sha256 produces warnings "mlockall: Cannot allocate memory" and "Warning: couldn't lock memory, are you root?"
05:20<valdyn>bartm: it does not do that for me
05:20<bartm>did you run it as root ?
05:21<valdyn>bartm: no
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05:21<valdyn>bartm: i know why I dont get the message though
05:21<valdyn>bartm: mlockall is not needed on this system because I do not have swap
05:21<bartm>ah, so you're on an "exotic" system :-)
05:21<valdyn>bartm: this tool is for passwords. You dont want to have that in swap
05:22<bartm>a tool called sha256 shouldn't be limited for passwords but should be suitable for any sha256 related use case
05:23<bartm>if one wants to avoid swap, then this shouldn't be integrated in a tool called sha256 (unless with an option or so)
05:23<valdyn>bartm: just write a wrapper if that message annoys you
05:23<bartm>I'll probably write a perl script "unhex" now and submit a patch for sha256sum to add --raw later
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05:24<valdyn>bartm: why do you need this anyway?
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05:24<bartm>to produce a sha256 in base64 notation
05:24<valdyn>bartm: yea, obviously, but what for
05:24<bartm>it's part of a project about an electronic documents portal
05:25<valdyn>so it is for passwords then?
05:25<bartm>not for passwords but for adding a checksum to a block of data
05:25<valdyn>I see
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05:48<alexx>hey, I installed debian 6 on an igel 564 lx thin client, it's freezing random after boot, I think it's because of the cpu frequencies, how can I set a static frequency? cpufrequtils are not working
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05:57<SynrG>alexx: describe 'not working'? you tried what, expected what, got what instead?
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06:01<alexx>SynrG: I tried to change the governor to performance and the following /usr/bin/cpufreq-set --min 931 but i got an error then I tried to disable /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils but it's still freezing
06:03<valdyn>alexx: *what* error
06:03<Tingle>I just downloaded mysql-query-browser and im new to debian/linux - currently its sitting in my downloads folder, where would the proper place to put the folder be?
06:03<valdyn>!tell alexx -about ask
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06:05<alexx>- Is the governor you requested available and modprobed?, - trying to set an invalid policy?, -trying to set a specific frequency, but userspace governor is not available for example because of hardware which cannot be set to a specific frequency or because the userspace governor isn't loaded?
06:05<valdyn>Tingle: obviously thats not a debian package, so follow their instructions, while at the same time not putting anything into places reserved for debian
06:06<alexx>I don't know what this stuff means
06:06<valdyn>alexx: it means cpufrequtils is probably not doing anything
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06:06<SynrG>alexx: your processor probably has no speedstep
06:06<SynrG>alexx: so your theory is wrong
06:07<Tingle>I didnt find any instructions
06:07<valdyn>alexx: your cpu might not even support cpu frequency scaling
06:07<Tingle>just the tar
06:07<alexx>but why is my system freezing?
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06:07<valdyn>Tingle: if that tar has no documentation inside, you probably dont want to use such software
06:08<Tingle>its from the official mysql site
06:08<valdyn>Tingle: im *sure* it has documentation then
06:08<SynrG>alexx: i appreciate that's frustrating for you, but without more information, i'm not sure how we can help.
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06:08<SynrG>alexx: what do the logs say? and if there's nothing in the logs, see:
06:08<SynrG>!serial console
06:08<dpkg>A serial console can be used to administrate a system or capture kernel crash/panic information. . You will also want your bootloader to use the serial console. See also <netconsole>.
06:08<dpkg>netconsole is a Linux kernel driver which logs kernel <printk> messages over UDP. It is commonly used to capture system crash information. . See also <serial console>.
06:09<SynrG>alexx: you say " it's freezing random after boot" ... even when idle?
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06:10<SynrG>alexx: do you have other devices attached? maybe it cannot power them all ...
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06:11<SynrG>and finally, maybe some expert in arm architecture could help better.
06:11<alexx>yes, but I can use it normally after boot into recovery, typing in my root password and startx
06:11<gsimmons>Tingle: The MySQL GUI Tools bundle reached end-of-life in 2010. You would want MySQL Workbench (mysql-workbench package) instead.
06:11<SynrG>alexx: maybe it's out of RAM? 128M is not a lot ...
06:12<valdyn>Tingle: mysql-workbench is in debian fyi
06:12<alexx>I have 2 GB
06:12<SynrG>k. the spec sheet i found said 128M
06:12<Tingle>ah ok cool
06:12<Tingle>was wondering why there wasnt a wheezy package
06:12<valdyn>!versions mysql-workbench
06:13<alexx>yeah, the system is installed on a 8gb cf card, that should be enough
06:13<SynrG>alexx: anyway, try serial console or netconsole as i suggested to get some log messages from when it freezes.
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06:16<Tingle>valdyn, btw - think you can help me with a connection issue? I have debian running on a virtualbox and cant connect to my mysql server over my mysql client on windows, which is running on the same machine as the virtualbox - the thing is, I can connect to the nginx webserver just fine over the browser using localhost (from windows) - but it wont allow me to connect to the mysql server. the bind-address is
06:17<valdyn>Tingle: is not accessible from remote
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06:17<alexx>SynrG: isn't there another more simpler way to get a log?
06:18<Tingle>localhost is?
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06:18<SynrG>not if it is not flushing to disk any error messages it gets when it crashes, no
06:18<valdyn>Tingle: localhost is
06:18<Tingle>but I can connect to the webserver over localhost
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06:18<valdyn>Tingle: nginx on the vm being accessible on localhost from a *different* host is fucked up
06:19<Tingle>what should I do? its on my localhost
06:19<valdyn>Tingle: its probably not true or involves port forwarding
06:19<Tingle>yeah Im port forwarding int he VM
06:19<valdyn>Tingle: a vm is a seperate host, its not the windows localhost
06:20<valdyn>Tingle: so, are you port forwarding to mysql too?
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06:20<SynrG>alexx: basically, you've taken a system that is designed as a thin client and want to use it as a general purpose OS now. all kinds of things could go wrong. as i said earlier, an arm expert might be able to help better ...
06:20<SynrG>or some support forum specifically for your device.
06:20<Tingle>im forwarding 8080, 80, 443, 3306 and 22 from the Host Port to the Guest Port
06:21<alexx>if it's flushing any error message to disk, where can I find it?
06:21<SynrG>in /var/log/syslog probably
06:21<SynrG>or /var/log/Xorg.0.log
06:21<SynrG>(if the crash is X related)
06:21<alexx>i don't understand, its working properly in recovery mode what's different from booting normally
06:22<SynrG>beats me.
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06:22<SynrG>what you'll get here is general troubleshooting advice. what you need, i think, is expert advice from people who know your device.
06:23<SynrG>if you're the only one in the world running debian on this hardware, well ... you probably need better troubleshooting skills than you have exhibited here so far. sorry :/
06:24<Tingle>valdyn, actualy I "can" connect, it finds it and respons, the error message is "Lost connection to MySQL server at 'handshake: reading initial communication packet', system error: 100061"
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06:26<alexx>I think I'm not, many people use it without a gui as a server for card sharing or other stuff, but in my case I need a gui
06:28<SynrG>then if "many people" have a community, please ask them.
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06:29<alexx>yeah,but they don't use the gui like I wrote..
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06:29<SynrG>then you are the only one in the world?
06:30<SynrG>it's pretty hard getting support as a user community of one unless you have the hacking skillz ...
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06:31<SynrG>it may come down to some kernel or Xorg bug
06:31<SynrG>you would need to be intimately familiar with the specific pieces of hardware in your system and then find help upstream (the kernel, Xorg)
06:33<alexx>okay but that's not what I want, I want to use it. do you think it'll work with debian 5?
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06:34<SynrG>alexx: i cannot, in good conscience, recommend you run an unsupported version of debian, no.
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06:35<SynrG>alexx: your choices are: a) roll up your shirtsleeves and get hacking b) find someone who *supports* your hardware and ask for help c) declare it a lost cause & use something else
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06:35<SynrG>you seem unwilling to do a) and i think we've established this is the wrong place for b)
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06:35<SynrG>so i think this is the end of our support session :p
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07:17<other_nick-37_>Hy. How do I configure emacs+slime to use clisp instead of sbcl? (I've added (setq inferior-lisp-program "clisp") to my .emacs without luck)
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07:40<nadir>some/most sites i found speak of httpd.conf for apache2, but i ain't got such file
07:41<nadir>does it need to be created or are the settings in different files, say "default" or "000-default" ?
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07:42<valdyn>nadir: httpd.conf stuff is split up into various directories in /etc/apache2/
07:42<nadir>more generally: i want to create cgi, but it tries to download the file, not exec it
07:42<dpkg>Apache packages in Debian haven't included a full httpd.conf file for many releases and from Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, this file is not included at all. To find out about the correct approach to configuring the Apache web server, ask me about <apache config>.
07:42<nadir>valdyn, ok, so i was right, it's now in different files
07:43<nadir>I assumed so, but the first answer in a forum spoke of httpd.conf, and i asked specially bout debian.
07:43<valdyn>nadir: thats ok, httpd.conf works
07:43<nadir>I don't get cgi running.
07:43<valdyn>nadir: it just does not modularise as debian does it
07:44<nadir>valdyn, thanks for the explanation.
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07:44<valdyn>nadir: in debian you can disable part of config via "a2disconf" instead of messing with httpd.conf
07:45<nadir>pnopaste which is a perl cgi-(whatever-you-call-it)
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07:45<nadir>I installed it and copied it to /var/www/cgi-bin
07:45<nadir>then installed libapache2-mod-perl2. Again: no luck
07:46<nadir>then copied it to /usr/lib/cgi-bin. Again ... no luck
07:46<valdyn>nadir: debians configuration does not put cgi there
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07:46<valdyn>nadir: you are free to modify the configuration
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07:47<nadir>Well: free to modify. The question is how
07:47<valdyn>nadir: appearantly someone already told you how to modify httpd.conf
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07:48<valdyn>nadir: why dont you use that?
07:48<themill>Given that pnopaste is package for debian, I'd be surprised if you needed to do anything
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07:48<valdyn>nadir: even better ^^
07:48<nadir>Here is what the debian wiki says: "Apache can use any external program and scripting language, through CGI or FastCgi"
07:49<nadir>No, no one told me how to modify it.
07:49<nadir>And i am surpirsed that i "need to do anything" myself
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07:50<valdyn>nadir: use the debian package
07:50<valdyn>nadir: once that is installed, read the docs
07:51<nadir>But i use the debian package
07:51<valdyn>nadir: ok
07:51<valdyn>nadir: i guess you need to enable the cgi module
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07:52<themill>nadir: did you read /usr/share/doc/pnopaste/README.Debian?
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07:53<nadir>themill, not yet, but now i did it. Trying that.
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08:01<nadir>But it didn't help
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08:01<unknown>cisco student, i can ping the default modem but no access to internet
08:02<valdyn>unknown: how is that debian related?
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08:02<unknown>i want to connect with my debian wheezy
08:02<unknown>it's not related ?
08:02<unknown>sorry if it is
08:03<dpkg>gateway is probably The computer or device onto which the first hop needs to go to get out of your network. As you know a TCP/IP route uses many hops to get from here to there. or the name of a computer company that is making a new amiga OS that nobody knows anything about.
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08:09<nadir>Should /cgi-bin work out of box, or do i need to configure something?
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08:10<themill>The debian package for pnopaste isn't using /cgi-bin
08:11<nadir>It is not?
08:11<nadir>I just moved pnopaste to /var/www/pnopaste, and it works there. I guess something with "FollowSymlinks"
08:12<nadir>But i wouldn't understand why the debian package for pnopaste would not be using cgi-bin.
08:13<themill>randomly copying things around isn't going to help...
08:13<nadir>looks more like an apache setting
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08:14<nadir>I can't see any random in there
08:16<Tingle>how can I remove services that run on startup?
08:17<nadir>Tingle, sysv-rc-conf is comfortable, imho
08:17<nadir>it first needs to be installed.
08:17<Tingle>ok ill check it out
08:17<nadir>if things go south in runlevel 2 you can always check the other runlevels as they should still be default
08:18<nadir>just by running "sysv-rc-conf"
08:18<Tingle>ok im in it
08:18<Tingle>and found the service
08:18<nadir>(as long you only edit runlevel 2, duh)
08:18<Tingle>why does the service have a X in 2 3 4 and 5?
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08:19<nadir>X means starts
08:19<nadir>hit space, the X gets removed, it won't get started anymore (in said runlevel)
08:19<Tingle>what does that mean in runlevel?
08:20<Tingle>and what does the S column mean
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08:20<valdyn>Tingle: you shouldnt mess with services
08:20<valdyn>Tingle: not with your knowledge
08:20<Tingle>I want to disable a service I installed
08:20<Tingle>and start it manualy when I want it
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08:20<valdyn>Tingle: just remove the package
08:21<nadir>Search for it in runlevel 2, hit space to remove the X. Done
08:21<nadir>Doesn't take a genius to do that (iow: any knowledge)
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08:21<Tingle>yeah I get that, but what do the different runlevels mean
08:21<Tingle>and the S column
08:22<nadir>You can boot in different runlevels during boot. But that subject i can't explain proper.
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08:22<Razkin>hello hudon.
08:23<Tingle>and the S?
08:23<dpkg>0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (there are no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. See also, <startup>, <file-rc>, <single-user mode>.
08:23<Razkin>!runlevel > Tingle
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08:23<Razkin>oh this shit doesn't work
08:23<Razkin>why it doesnt work, tingle?
08:23<Razkin>why the *fuck* it doesn't work?
08:23<Tingle>yep it works
08:24<Razkin>archlinux or debian
08:24<Tingle>but I want to know what the S column means in sysV?
08:24<valdyn>Tingle: Stop
08:24<Tingle>it means stop?
08:24<valdyn>Tingle: yes
08:24<Razkin>stop this shit, tingle
08:24<valdyn>!ops Razkin
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08:24<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: valdyn complains about: Razkin
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08:24<nadir>There is a good how-to by ... let me think ... E.S.Rayomond (UnixAndInternetInternels)
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08:25<nadir>or similar. I bet the debian wiki has an entry too (sysv-rc.conf, runlevels and similar)
08:25<Tingle>and why would a service have a runlevel selected and the stop?
08:25<valdyn>Tingle: read what dpkg said
08:25<Tingle>like nfs-common has 2-5 and S
08:26<valdyn>Tingle: oh, im wrong
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08:26<valdyn>Tingle: that S, *start*
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08:26<valdyn>Tingle: not started in any specific runlevel but started in system startup
08:27<Tingle>thx for the info
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08:27<valdyn>Tingle: S is also the marker for Start in the init scripts, but you probably do not see that in your tool
08:27<Tingle>mm dont think so
08:28<valdyn>Tingle: ls /etc/rcS.d/S* , then you see
08:28<Tingle>all I did was disable mysql and nginx so I can start them manualy
08:28<valdyn>Tingle: thats alright
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08:33<Tingle>god there are alot of php packages
08:33<Tingle>is php5-5.4.4-14+debu5 the correct one to get?
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08:35<SynrG>hint: use cut-and-paste ;)
08:36<SynrG>,v php5
08:36<judd>Package: php5 on i386 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u4; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u5; sid: 5.5.4+dfsg-1; jessie: 5.5.5+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.5+dfsg-1
08:36<Tingle>mm why is there a php-fpm package, I thought of 2011/2012 fpm became apart of normal php?
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08:37<SynrG>Tingle: "the correct one to get" for what purpose?
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08:37<SynrG>Tingle: read "apt-cache show php5"
08:37<Tingle>mm im trying to decide inbetween php and php-fpm
08:38<SynrG>it's probably what you want, but without knowing what you want ...
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08:39<SynrG>beats me. i guess if you're not running apache, it might be better
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08:40<Tingle>yeah I got mysql php5-fpm
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08:51<Tingle>hmm I need to set this variable for php, PHP_FCGI_MAX_REQUESTS, how do I do that in debian? In windows I would just do set PHP_FCGI_MAX_REQUESTS 0 in my startup script before starting php.
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08:52<Tingle>nvm found it I think
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09:34<Tingle>isnt there a way to enable sudo always on debian/gnome? its realy annoying and hard to work with if I constantly have to open, create, move files over the console >.>.
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09:34<C3PO>sudo bash
09:36<humpslow>I'm trying to fix Grub after installing Windows. I used mount /dev/sda1 /mnt (sda1 is my linux install) and then I used 'grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda' but it returned the error 'The file /mnt/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.'
09:36<humpslow>Any help would much appreciated, just can't figure out how to fix grub
09:37<C3PO>Tingle: sudo nautilus --browser <like this ?
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09:38<Tingle>that opens my browser
09:38<C3PO>in root mode
09:39<Tingle>yeah thats what I wanted
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09:42<bluewater>humpslow: you need to use a live.iso
09:42<humpslow>I'm running Debian Live right now
09:42<nadir>humpslow: "mount -o bind /sys /mnt/sys" && "mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev" && "mount -t proc /proc /mnt/proc" && chroot mnt && grub-install /dev/sda
09:42<nadir>around those lines. I never userd --root-directory= ; no idea about that
09:43<Tingle>C3PO, is it possible to make a script I created password free? i made a .sh with that command but it wont start because it requires my sudo password. can I do something against that?
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09:45<C3PO>Tinkle; do you have to run the script once or can you use crontab ?
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09:46<Tingle>mm I was thinking alongthe lines of "christopher ALL = NOPASSWD: /home/christopher/Desktop/" in my sudoers file
09:46<Tingle>but that doesnt seem to work
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09:47<Tingle>I would like to run the script when ever I double click it
09:47<Tingle>to open the browser
09:48<SynrG>you you know about gksudo, right?
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09:48<Tingle>mm no
09:48<SynrG>if you start something with a gui, that's what you should be using
09:48<Tingle>what do you mean
09:49<SynrG>gksudo nautilus, for example
09:49<SynrG>then it will prompt for your password in a dialog box
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09:52<Tingle>hmm can I get around having to entermy password?
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09:53<nadir>I think the little box has an option to store the password (you'd still have to enter it once per session)
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09:54<Tingle>mm doesntlook like it
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09:54<Tingle>just said enter your password to perform administrative tasks
09:54<Tingle>with a cancle and ok button
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09:54<t0ke>I've reinstalled Grub after Windows overwrote it, but now Grub isn't recognising Windows. Any ideas?
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09:55<nadir>install os-prober ?
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09:57<SynrG>Tingle: what is the contents of your script?
09:57<Tingle>gksudo nautilus
09:57<SynrG>but you told sudoers to execute "" without a password
09:57<SynrG>and that's wrong
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09:58<SynrG>i think you meant to say "nautilus"
09:58<Tingle>i renamed the file to
09:58<Tingle>and in my sudoers I have "christopher ALL = NOPASSWD: /home/christopher/Desktop/
09:58<SynrG>but you're not executing that script with sudo ...
09:58<SynrG>you're executing nautilus with sudo
09:59<bluewater>whats with all this rubbish about not entering a password ffs ,, its akin to leaving your front door open 24/7
09:59<SynrG> itself is run as your user
09:59<t0ke>nadir: it's already installed. And running it returns "unshare failed: Operation not permitted" and "mkdir: cannot create directory `/var/lib/os-prober/mount': Permission denied"
09:59<SynrG>it is only nautilus itself that you're running with sudo
09:59<SynrG>Tingle: fix your sudoers config to say /usr/bin/nautilus
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10:00<Tingle>ah that worked
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10:02<t0ke>How can I re-add Windows to the bootloader after reinstalling Grub?
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10:03<t0ke>The option is no longer there, and 'sudo update-grub' doesn't find it
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10:05<SynrG>Tingle: you realize, of course, that this greatly weakens the security of your system. once you grant permission to run something that can make sweeping changes to your system without a password ...
10:05<Tingle>yes, but its on my virtualbox running on my windows desktop to host a webserver
10:06<nadir>Sounds like problems with sudo
10:06<SynrG>still, it's pointless to grant permissions to *only* run nautilus without a password
10:06<SynrG>you've pretty much handed over permission to your user to do anything they want to the system.
10:06<SynrG>you might as well say "NOPASSWD:" for everything
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10:09<SynrG>with nautilus running as root you can replace any file you want with anything you want. where the specific commands in sudoers is really useful is when each command can only do something very limited in nature (like reboot the system, mount a backup tape, etc.)
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10:10<Tingle>I understand
10:11<Tingle>I just want to be able to browse around and edit my config files without having to open them through the terminal
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10:12<SynrG>that's a case where having to enter a password is a *good* thing, imho. how often will you actually need to do it?
10:13<Tingle>in the moment often enough to annoy me
10:13<Tingle>but whem Im done I might remove the script again
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10:14<nadir>Another approach would be to give up on a gui-filemanager and do it from cli. "su" do your stuff, exit. done
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10:17<t0ke>After installing Grub, there is no Windows option. update-grub doesn't recognise it either
10:17<t0ke>Any ideas?
10:18<bluewater>t0ke: apt-get install --reinstall grub-pc
10:19<bluewater>dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc
10:19<devil_>I would gp for dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc instead
10:19<bluewater>devil_: hiya and snap
10:20<devil_>hi there bluewater
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10:22<Tingle>hmm is it maybe also possible to give a application root access to a folder?
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10:23<C3PO>isn't it better to give it aplication-user rights ?
10:23<Tingle>I have a shared folder for my VM and created a syslink to it and my nginx www folder so I can work out of that share folder on my windows environment - but the files are owned by root on debian that I add from windows - and nginx gives me permission denied when trying to read the files - also some folders need to be writable
10:24<C3PO>try chmod --help
10:24<Tingle>mm but would chmod only apply to current files?
10:25<C3PO>chmod 777 -R /to/your/www/files/*
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10:26<Tingle>hmm no that didnt help
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10:31<C3PO>Did you make the share with user root ?
10:31<Tingle>mm trying, gonna remake the mount
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10:33<C3PO>Use a normal user to make the share.
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10:40<Tingle>now it worked :)
10:40<Tingle>owned by me
10:43<C3PO>Have fun !
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10:52<riki>How do you change an ISO to be NOT bootable (so it becomes EFI only?)
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11:14<terrible96>i have problem with my webcam driver uvcvideo green screen debian squeeze any help
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11:30<terrible96>i have problem with my webcam driver uvcvideo green screen debian squeeze any help
11:31<mtn>terrible96: what application are you using? cheese?
11:31<terrible96>mtn, yes
11:32<mtn>terrible96: have you tried a newer kernel from backports?
11:32<terrible96>and mplayer green screen too
11:32<terrible96>mtn, no im a beginner in linux
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11:33<mtn>terrible96: how long have you had debian installed?
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11:34<terrible96>mtn, like a year ago
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11:34<terrible96>i already know the basic
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11:34<mtn>terrible96: ok, I was goint to say that if it was new, you should install wheezy. here is the backports info:
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11:35<mtn>terrible96: you might want to think about updating to wheezy, too
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11:36<terrible96>mtn, i used have wheezy install before and give me the same problem green screen
11:36<mtn>terrible96: that is too bad. have you done any searching on your camera and linux to see how compatible it is?
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11:38<terrible96>mtn, is supported by the driver uvcvideo
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11:38<mtn>terrible96: and how well is that supported in linux? see any reports of trouble? etc.
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11:39<terrible96>mtn, totally supported i dont see any error
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11:40<mtn>terrible96: maybe someone else will have an idea
11:41<terrible96>mtn, do you know how reinstall the modules??
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11:41<mtn>terrible96: look at man modprobe and man rmmod
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11:54<pbryan>Is there a way I can keep sysvinit from being automagically installed over systemd-sysv everytime I upgrade?
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12:37<morgen> /msg dpkg paste
12:37<morgen> /msg bots NOT people
12:38<mgv>morgen: use !tell <whoever> about <topic>
12:38<mgv>saves some keystrokes on <whoever>'s side
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13:17<Tingle>how can I disable reverse dns lookup? itseems to be slowing down my network
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13:19<OWNSuAll>When I move stuff on my desktop in say openbox or move stuff around in libreoffice I get a bunch of lag it seems that it isn't using my nvidia card to render 2D objects. Games run fine though
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14:06<SynrG>do you have a debian support question? in english, please, or:
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14:31<Vikinger>can someone advise me a file recovery software
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14:33<ompaul>Vikinger: what file system and what happened to it
14:34<Vikinger>it was the micro SD card from my phone
14:34<Vikinger>i erased a couple of pics by accident
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14:34<Vikinger>i took the card out imidiatly after that and have it in an USB adaptor
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14:38<Vikinger>ompaul ?
14:38<ompaul>Vikinger: ok testdisk - gddrescue magicrescue scrounge-ntfs myrescue foremost dff I've only ever used the first one
14:38<ompaul>Vikinger: I was using apt-cache to find stuff
14:39<Vikinger>i did it also
14:39<Vikinger>with, file recovery
14:39<ompaul>apt-cache search file rescue apt-cache search recover disk
14:39<ompaul>anyway that's my limited experience
14:39<Vikinger>i used aptitude actually
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14:45<stderr>Vikinger: testdisk and magicrescue have both worked for me.
14:45<Vikinger>ive used testdisk, and it only recovers an entire disk, not just a few files
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14:49<Vikinger>TestDisk is free data recovery software designed to help recover lost
14:50<ompaul>now there I am chastised
14:50<stderr>"PhotoRec is file data recovery software designed to recover
14:50<stderr> lost pictures from digital camera memory or even Hard Disks."
14:50<Vikinger>no lost files
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14:50<stderr>From the same package...
14:51<Vikinger>what same package ?
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14:52<Vikinger>i dont see that
14:53<Vikinger>how do i install that
14:53<stderr>aptitude install testdisk
14:53<Vikinger>dune that
14:54<Vikinger>but when i run ./testdisk i dont get any options for PhotoRec
14:54<ompaul>type photorec
14:54*ompaul wonders at times if people should use man pages :)
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14:57<stderr>I'm strongly against using man pages... If people start using man pages, I'll have to start writing man pages. We wouldn't want that, would we?!
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14:58<ompaul>stderr: I started with man ls and man man 20 years ago
14:59<stderr>Reading them or writing them?
14:59<Vikinger>good question
14:59<Vikinger>but ompaul i was looking at the man pages i still dont see any mention to photorec
14:59<stderr>man photorec
15:00<Vikinger>yes, but how could i have know about photorec in the first place ?
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15:00<stderr>apt-cache show testdisk - second paragraph of the description.
15:00<ompaul>Vikinger: man testdisk provided some clues
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15:01<ompaul>oh I wrote my first code that ran on office machinery in 1981
15:01<ompaul>I now feel a little old
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15:02<Vikinger>i see it now ompaul, thank you a lot
15:02<Vikinger>need to pay more atention to this
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15:03<stderr>That's a VERY good idea, if you're trying to rescue some files...
15:03<stderr>And even better idea is to pay attention before you delete the files. :-)
15:03<nadir>I wouldn't say it's outstanding obvious in this very case. Confused me quite a bit too (but i'm not a very close reader).
15:03<Vikinger>indeed stderr
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15:08<rah>I'm trying to backport a package from testing to stable
15:09<rah>for my own usage
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15:10<rah>if an official backport is done later, I'd prefer that package to be installed over mine
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15:11<rah>is there an appropriate way to modify the version number to (1) distinguish it from public, official builds, and (2) make apt prefer public, official builds over mine?
15:11<rah>and if so, how do I get dch to make that modification?
15:13<nadir>rah i can't tell you if it's the official or proper way, but:
15:13<nadir>says to do it similar to: debchange -b -v 0.8.3a-1~bpo50+1
15:13<nadir>that how-to is pretty old,btw.
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15:16<rah>so.. I should use "debchange -b -v 0.8.3a-1~~rah1" ? :-)
15:16<rah>how can I ensure that a later backport won't conflict?
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15:18<nadir>you take the version you got and add ~bpo50+1
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15:20<stderr>rah: has a little bit about the version numbers.
15:20<rah>nadir: why "bpo50+1"?
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15:20<nadir>because it will make sure that any deb from a debian repo will have a higher priority
15:21<nadir>sorry, i miss the correct words, there is a bit in the how-to. It's: ~bpo50+1
15:21<nadir>ah, or what stderr just posted.
15:22<nadir>(probably more clear)
15:22<rah>nadir: how will "bpo50+1" ensure it will have a higher priority?
15:23<nadir>I already said that i can't explain it in detail
15:23<nadir>and again: you miss the ~
15:23<rah>I didn't miss it
15:23<rah>stderr: thanks
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15:25<Tingle>my nginx server seems to have its own user that it uses to read/write into some tmp folders on my www directory, the user is called www-data. I have the problem that he doesnt have permission to do that tho, what should I do? add www-data to a certain group like sudo, or should I set the folder access of those folder for Others to read/write?
15:25<mju>rah: I found which might be helpful.
15:26<mju>It answers your dch question, I think.
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15:27<mju>Tingle: Make sure the directory has group www-data and give the group writing rights.
15:27<stderr>Tingle: Why doesn't www-data have write access to /var/www ?
15:27<Tingle>not sure
15:28<nadir>Tingle: on a side note you might give up on the idea to use sudo for all problems.
15:28<melmothX>stderr: why www-daa should have write access to /var/www ?
15:28<stderr>Tingle: What does ls -dl /var/www have to say about it?
15:29<Tingle>I dont have a /var/www
15:29<dualbus>Tingle: fix the permissions. Also, setting permissions for «other» to read/write seems like a really bad idea.
15:29<stderr>melmothX: /var/www is usually owned by www-data...
15:29<melmothX>stderr: since when? to open up the webserver root to any kind of exploits?
15:29<Tingle>how do I give a usergroup the permission over a directory and everything in it?
15:29<dualbus>Tingle: whatever your «www» directory is, it should be owned by www-data, and with a=,ug+rwX permissions
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15:29<stderr>melmothX: At least since woody...
15:30<Tingle>k whats the command for that?
15:30<dualbus>Tingle: chmod -R a=,ug+rwX «directory»
15:30<Tingle>and the user?
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15:30<stderr>No, what the hell am I talking about?!
15:30<Tingle>doesntthe user need to go somewhere in the parameters?
15:30<dualbus>Tingle: chown -R www-data: «directory»
15:31<dualbus>Tingle: no, permissions apply to the already set «owner/group» settings.
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15:31<melmothX>stderr: makes no sense. the webserver has to read there, not to write (unless otherwise specified). wheezy has root:root, anyway
15:31<stderr>melmothX: You're right... ~www-data is /var/www, but www-data is NOT the owner of that dir. Sorry...
15:31<dualbus>Yes, that's a mistake I made, the owner should be another user, although I'm not sure root would be the right one.
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15:32<Tingle>mm so all I need to do is chown -R www-data: <directory>?
15:32<dualbus>In my setups I have a «www» user belonging to the «www-data» group
15:32<Tingle>or what does chmod do
15:32<nadir>I am quite sure that is said at the debian wiki, apache too.
15:32<rah>mju: thanks
15:32<nadir>Tingle, it changes permissions. -R does recursive. chmod u+x, iwll add executable rights for the user, as an example
15:33<nadir>a+x will add exec. for all (user, group and others). g+x for group, o+x for others. And so forth
15:33<dualbus>Tingle: you have to make sure the directory is at least part of the «www-data» group (and its subdirs), and that the «www-data» group has read access to all of your files in there, and write access only to the parts it makes sense to write.
15:33<Tingle>mm I dont think I need that, all I need to is to give the www-data permission to write into my www/tmp folder
15:33<dualbus>Tingle: before throwing any commands you have to understand how permissions work.
15:34<nadir>yes, fool around with chmod in a test folder
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15:34<dualbus>Tingle: then: chgrp www-data www/tmp; chmod g+w www-data www/tmp
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15:35<Tingle>but this will 'add' him as owner, not make him the only owner correct?
15:35<Tingle>I still need access for my normal user
15:35<stderr>dualbus: Without "www-data" in the last command.
15:35<SamB>Tingle: you only get one owner and one group
15:35<SamB>per file
15:36<mju>unless you have acls...
15:36<SamB>I don't think we want to go into ACLs?
15:37<stderr>Please don't... There be dragons there...
15:37<Tingle>hmmm thent he only choice I have is to set /www/tmp/ to allow others to r+w
15:37<Tingle>if I give it to www-data my other user cant mess with it anymore
15:37<dualbus>stderr: woops
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15:38<stderr>Tingle: Add yourself to the www-data group and give the group write permissions to the dir.
15:38<mju>Tingle: Get yourself familiar with file ownerships: There is an owner, and a group.
15:39<Tingle>if I add myself to www-data, then the www-data user can theoreticly write in all my folders?
15:39<dualbus>Tingle: no
15:39<dualbus>Tingle: unless all your directories are group www-data
15:39<nadir>You can write where the group www-data has write permissions
15:39<stderr>Tingle: There's a "www-data" user and a "www-data" group.
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15:40<Tingle>ah sec now I get it
15:40<Tingle>I set my www/tmp to be the www-data group
15:40<nadir>I still think you should test it a bit in a test folder
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15:40<nadir>and sure make a backup of any real data you change
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15:40<Tingle>hmm wierd, there isno www-data group
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15:41<Tingle>at least not visible
15:41<stderr>Visible? Where?
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15:41<Tingle>oh yea it is, from the root I can see it
15:42<stderr>$ grep www-data /etc/group
15:42<Tingle>ok, then how do I add myself to the www-data group
15:42<stderr>man adduser
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15:43<mju>Tingle: you need to (log out and then) log in again for the change to take effect.
15:44<mju>(I am just ancipating the next question. ;-) )
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15:44<Tingle>gonna use google for the commands ^^
15:44<stderr>What's wrong with "man"?
15:44<yinepu>hi, is there any channel for experimental or kernel? :D
15:44<dualbus>Tingle: adduser «youruser» «group»
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15:44<dualbus>Tingle: google is not a good source of information, manuals usually are.
15:45<Tingle>not usermod?
15:45<stderr>Tingle: You're most likely to find the same man pages (or an older version) online anyway...
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15:45<Tingle>usermod -a -G www-data tingle for example?
15:45<dualbus>Tingle: that's another way.
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15:46<stderr>Tingle: Did you read the man page for adduser as I suggested? Where did you come up with the idea of using usermod instead?
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15:48<stderr>It was easier to read that page than the man page? Ok...
15:48<mju>Tingle: If you prefer the web, try :-P
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15:48<Tingle>mm chown -R www-data: «directory» - that sets the user, is there a group only options?
15:49<stderr>man chgrp
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15:49<stderr>Or would you prefer a link to a page that says the same thing?
15:49<Tingle>im trying to use the page you gave me
15:49<Tingle>if I search for chgrp
15:50<Tingle>Sorry, no data found for `chgrp(8)'.
15:50<valdyn>the wiki page explaining *everything* there is to know about unix permissions is like 100 lines at most
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15:51<stderr>Tingle: Try changing the section number to "All sections"...
15:51<Tingle>so chgrp -R www-data <directory>
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15:51<dpkg>For information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions', and . For further information, see and and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>.
15:52<stderr>Tingle: Do you want to change the group for all subdirs too?
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15:53<Tingle>nowto change folder group access, it is still set to access files
15:53<stderr>In that case, yes... (If you change <directory> to the name of the dir.)
15:53<Tingle>that would be chmod
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15:55<Tingle>actualy no idea lol >.>
15:55<valdyn>Tingle: are you aware that using www-data to *write* to /var/www is *just* what debian invented this group to *not* enable
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15:56<Tingle>im enabling it to write into www/tmp only
15:56<Tingle>its cache and log folder
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15:56<stderr>The log dir is somewhere in /var/log/, not /var/www/...
15:57<Tingle>im using cakephp
15:57<nadir>chmod "g+w file/foler" adds write permissions, "chmod g-w file/folder" removes them. -R would be recursive.
15:57<Tingle>it has a tmp folder
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15:57<Tingle>g means group and w write?
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15:58<Tingle>so sudo chmod -R g+w /www/tmp/
15:58<nadir>yes. g is group, u is user and o is other. w is write , r is read and x is exec
15:58<stderr>Tingle: No...
15:58<nadir>a is all
15:58<stderr>You don't mean /www/...
15:59<Tingle>i dont
15:59<Tingle>my path is to long
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15:59<nadir>If that is a good idea is beyond me, i only said how chmod would work
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16:00<Tingle>there we go, now my site loads ^^
16:00<Tingle>thx for the help
16:00<Tingle>think I understand the whole thing better
16:00<stderr>Time for a link so we can crash it...
16:01<Tingle>non existant, its on my VM running localy
16:01<Caroline>Hi, i would like a help about debian, please
16:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
16:01<nadir>Tingle, really fool around with chmod and chown and adduser a bit. In a test folder. It will sink quickly
16:01<Tingle>i will
16:01<Tingle>or am
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16:02<Caroline>I don't know how to download musics in my computer, i use debian
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16:03<stderr>Caroline: From the net?
16:03<stderr>How do you normally download music?
16:04<Caroline>emule, but it doesnt work with debian
16:04<valdyn>Caroline: amule is in debian
16:05<william>My time keeps jumping ahead 5 hours.
16:05<william>I am US Eastern.
16:05<valdyn>william: didnt we already tell you?
16:05<valdyn>!set the time
16:05<dpkg>To set the time on Debian systems, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. Also verify the system's UTC setting and set the correct time zone; ask me about <utc>, <timezone>.
16:05<stderr>william: cat /etc/timezone
16:05<valdyn>william: ^^
16:05<Caroline>Can i install emule in my computer, and will it work?
16:05<valdyn>Caroline: "apt-get install amule"
16:05<valdyn>Caroline: *not* emule
16:06<william>valdyn: US/Eastern
16:06<nadir>you could also look at nicotine.
16:06<stderr>Caroline: Maybe... or maybe not. But try "amule" instead.
16:06<nadir>( i don't know emule well, but they remind me of each other )
16:06<william>I install ntp to try to fix it, it didn't so I removed it just now.
16:06<Caroline>Ok, Thank you very much !
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16:07<valdyn>william: as the documentation would have told you (if you read it) ntp sets your time *slowly* because doing it to fast is dangerous
16:07<stderr>william: Did you check the system time in your BIOS? I mean UTC vs. local time.
16:07<william>It has been a week.
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16:07<valdyn>william: particularily if your clock is ahead
16:07<valdyn>william: then you probably have still configured the wrong timezone
16:07<william>I keep setting it on kde and also yes I have set it in the BIOS.
16:07<william>I pasted my timezone.
16:08<valdyn>william: we dont need to know your timezone
16:08<dualbus>william: if you dual boot with Windows I'll move the time probably
16:08<william>I don't
16:08<valdyn>william: dpkg told you what to do
16:08<william>This is Debian only.
16:08<william>dpkg didn't tell me anything.
16:08<dpkg>william: are you smoking crack?
16:08<valdyn>!set the time
16:08<dpkg>To set the time on Debian systems, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. Also verify the system's UTC setting and set the correct time zone; ask me about <utc>, <timezone>.
16:08<valdyn>william: *read* ^^
16:09<stderr>william: You "set it" in the BIOS... What "it"?
16:09<william>I did, I said that I have tried ntp set the time in the BIOS and set the time in kde.
16:09<william>Not sure why it changes 5 hours every day.
16:09<valdyn>william: what did dpkg tell you about timezone?
16:09<stderr>Did you set the BIOS time to UTC or localtime?
16:09<william>I don't even shutdown.
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16:10<william>ok I will see if it says UTC in the BIOS.
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16:11<mju>Oh well, why should the BIOS care about UTC?
16:11<SamB>I don't think BIOS supports time zones
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16:11<valdyn>he only reads sentences up to 4 words
16:12<petn-randall>Linux usually expects UTC from the BIOS, whereas Windows wants to have the localtime there.
16:12<SamB>mju: well, it doesn't, but it does make a difference whether you set the CMOS clock to UTC or local time
16:12<stderr>SamB: It doesn't, but some people set their BIOS clock to localtime, but configure their system to think it's UTC...
16:12<nadir>On a raspberry pi i use debian/wheezy. I "installed" it by dd'ing a premade *img (of wheezy). I can't run iptables
16:12<nadir>can't initialize iptables table `filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)
16:12<nadir>Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
16:12<nadir>is the error message. The kernel is: 3.1.9+
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16:13<SamB>and I think Windows doesn't support using UTC in BIOS unless you set your local timezone to UTC as well?
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16:13<mju>SamB: Sure, but he won't find "UTC" mentioned in the BIOS anywere, I think. I think he is looking for that.
16:13<SamB>hmm, which user's timezone does modern Windows use for the CMOS clock
16:13<william_>my BIOS says 16:12 and nothing in it refers to UTC.
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16:13<valdyn>the bios has no timezone
16:13<william_>Reboot didn't change my time I still see the proper 16:12 on my desktop.
16:13<valdyn>not utc either
16:13<SamB>mju: I would have mentioned that if I had seen what he said he was going to do soon enough before he left ...
16:13<stderr>Is 16:12 your local time?
16:13<valdyn>william_: no one ever needs to change time in the bios
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16:14<stderr>Ok, change your bios clock to 21:14.
16:14<stderr>And let's see the last line of /etc/adjtime
16:14<valdyn>would you please stop letting him reboot
16:14<SamB>there's no need to reboot to change the time though
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16:15<william_>I just no on a daily basis my time goes ahead 5 hours in Debian.
16:15<william_>TAnd the timezone is always Eastern.
16:15<valdyn>william_: fix your timezone
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16:15<dpkg>A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "invoke-rc.d postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot.
16:15<SamB>william_: do you run another OS on the system?
16:15<stderr>SamB: He said Debian only.
16:15<william_>last line of adjtime is UTC
16:16<SamB>I'm a bit puzzled as to how time would jump by 5 hours though ...
16:16<william_>I only have Debian.
16:16<valdyn>william_: that setting is irrelevant on a system only running debian
16:16<stderr>william_: Then your system thinks the CMOS clock is running on UTC time.
16:16<stderr>It's not... Not unless you change it to 21:16.
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16:17<william_>so I set my BIOS 5 hours ahead and Debian will see that and give me 5 hours back?
16:17<SamB>I distinctly remember ntp whining that it wasn't going to touch my clock because it was off by more than an hour
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16:17<valdyn>william_: you dont need to access your bios
16:17<stderr>valdyn: Well, not directly...
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16:17<SamB>william_: you should probably pick a city-based timezone
16:18<william_>But why does my time change?
16:18<SamB>i.e., pick a timezone that is named for a city in the same zone
16:18<valdyn>william_: theres just only 2 possible things you need to do 1) set timezone 2) set clock
16:18<william_>Like who cares which timezone I am in?
16:18<william_>WHy does it change when I didn't have ntp?
16:18<SamB>hmm, that's WITHOUT ntp?
16:18<SamB>was the system asleep or something?
16:18<william_>Yeah I* tried to install ntpdate to fix this as that was a suggestion in the kde clock.
16:18<william_>I do sleep the system
16:19<william_>I can sleep it now to see what happens.
16:19<william_>It is exactly 5 hours each time though.
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16:19<william_>brb putting it to sleep.
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16:21<william_>ok I hit the space bar to wake it and time is the same though. No change.
16:22<stderr>1) System reads the hardware clock at boot time and thinks it's UTC... 2) It's not so the time is 5 hours off... 3) william_ set the _system_ clock to his correct time... 4) william_ does NOT update the hardware clock... 5) Machine sleeps... 6) Machine wakes up... 7) System reads the hardware clock to see how long it slept... 8) Time is off by 5 hours...
16:22<stderr>Re-read no. 4 a couple of times...
16:23<william_>I assume when I set the clock in kde that it changes the time in the BIOS. I haven't checked if that gets changed...
16:23<stderr>I mean sleep as in suspend...
16:23<valdyn>william_: you can compare the output of "hwclock" vs "date"
16:23<stderr>And date -u too please...
16:23<valdyn>however debian does save the hwclock on shutdown iirc
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16:23<william_>date and date -u match
16:24<william_>I can check that when it happens again.
16:24<william_>I don't have hwclock installed but I can install that if needed.
16:24<valdyn>william_: you sure have it installed
16:24<stderr>Interesting that date and date -u is the same...
16:24<william_>ah had to do as root
16:25<william_>hwclock shows in 12 hours format: Sat 09 Nov 2013 04:24:26 PM UTC -0.182168 seconds
16:25<valdyn>he probably still didnt fix his timezone
16:25<william_>same time though.
16:25<william_>fix my timezone?
16:25<valdyn>william_: yea
16:25<valdyn>william_: i dont know how often we told you
16:25<william_>My timezone is US/Eastern
16:25<valdyn>william_: dont tell US, tell your computer
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16:25<william_>I pasted what it is set to:)
16:25<stderr>valdyn: He's quoting /etc/timezone
16:26<william_>hwclock shows UTC...
16:26<william_>so what does this mean?
16:26<william_>When that isn't UTC obviously
16:26<valdyn>that you have a different hwclock than I do
16:26<SamB>huh, hwclock really doesn't work as not-root
16:26<william_>I ran it as root
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16:27<william_>so hwclock shows UTC and my date should use my US/Eastern setting and shows the same time.
16:27*SamB just tried it as non-root to see if it really belonged in sbin ...
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16:27<valdyn>william_: but whats in /etc/adjtime?
16:28<william_>all or last line like I wrote last time?
16:28<SamB>/etc/adjtime looks like most of it should be in /var
16:28<william_>UTS is in adjtime
16:28<valdyn>this is an odd debian install
16:29<stderr>william_: hwclock _thinks_ it shows UTC time, but it's way off.
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16:29<valdyn>your hwclock does not match
16:29<valdyn>*my* hwclock does not try to show utc
16:30<william_>here you go:
16:30<william_>Notice timezone doesn't have a newline.
16:30<valdyn>william_: paste the outputs for "uname -a" and "dpkg -l util-linux | grep ^ii"
16:31<william_>Linux bedroom 3.10-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.10.11-1 (2013-09-10) x86_64 GNU/Linux
16:31<william_>ii util-linux 2.20.1-5.5 amd64 Miscellaneous system utilities
16:31<stderr>william_: Could you add a newline to /etc/timezone? Just in case...
16:32<valdyn>william_: see if hwclock shows something else now
16:33<william_>So my BIOS shouldn't say UTC is that correct?
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16:33<valdyn>william_: your bios does not know about timezones at all
16:34<william_>Well just meaning that hwclock sees it as UTC.
16:34<william_>If it sees it as UTC and my desktop says Eatern then why does my desktop go FORWARD 5 hours?
16:34<valdyn>william_: hwclock should just report the correct time and match date
16:34<william_>You'd think it would go backwards, right?
16:34<stderr>william_: Can you do an md5sum /etc/localtime /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Eastern and check if it's the same?
16:35<william_>md5sum: /etc/localtime: No such file or directory
16:35<dpkg>A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "invoke-rc.d postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot.
16:35<william_>hmm that file exists but can't even cat it as root
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16:36<stderr>Are you sure it's a file, not a link pointing to nowhere?
16:36<william_>lrwxrwxrwx 2 root root 13 Jul 27 16:35 /etc/localtime -> ../posixrules
16:36<stderr>Ok, that's wrong!
16:36<william_>I didn't do it!
16:36<valdyn>william_: who created that symlink?
16:36<stderr>Read what dpkg said about timezone...
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16:38<william_>Local time is now: Sat Nov 9 11:37:38 EST 2013.
16:38<william_>Universal Time is now: Sat Nov 9 16:37:38 UTC 2013.
16:38<stderr>Almost success!
16:38<william_>ok now I am 5 hours behind
16:38<stderr>Now you just need to set the right time and make sure the hardware clock is updated.
16:38<william_>Sat 09 Nov 2013 11:38:27 AM EST -0.448974 seconds
16:39<william_>so what I would do is use kde to do this...
16:39<william_>Why not?
16:39<stderr>Or at least make sure your system knows that the hardware clock isn't UTC, but localtime.
16:39<Vikinger>ompaul stderr, thank you PhotoRec worked like a charm ;)
16:39<william_>ok let me change with kde and see if it breaks it again
16:39<stderr>Vikinger: Great.
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16:40<william_>well this time it set the time backwards and not forwards so that is different
16:41<william_>kde clock broke my hwclock it is utc again
16:41<william_>so I will fix it and use Debian to set it, right?
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16:49<KittenGNU>Bye bye
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16:54<william>Ok, I set it with dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and then ran ntpdate to set the time BUT hwclock is showing Sat 09 Nov 2013 11:52:55 AM EST -0.260430 seconds while date is showing Sat Nov 9 16:53:40 EST 2013
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16:56<stderr>You have only configured your system clock. The hardware clock has not been updated.
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16:56<stderr>What does date -u say?
16:56<william>Sat Nov 9 21:56:40 UTC 2013
16:57<stderr>That's correct.
16:57<stderr>Except for a few seconds...
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16:57<william>That was from ntpdate so blame the ntp servers:)
16:57<william>and now how to fix hwclock?
16:57<stderr>Probably more you taking 12 seconds to copy/paste it...
16:58<stderr>hwclock -s But you have to decide first if you want it to run on localtime or UTC.
16:59<william>localtime I suppose.
16:59<stderr>Personally I would pick UTC... Timezones and DST(!!!) sucks...
16:59<stderr>Well, that's just my opinion... :-)
16:59<william>In terms of what?
17:00<stderr>Is it 17:00 or 17:00?
17:00<william>hwclock set my system clock to the hwclock so I am wrong again
17:00<william>hwclock -s that is
17:00<william>-w I guess I want
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17:01<stderr>Yes, sorry...
17:01<william>Ok all looks good now!
17:01<william>wow I think Gnome had it all good and must have been kde that screwed this all up.
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17:02<william>thanks for dealing with me. I know I was a bit confusing at first:)
17:03<stderr>I'm just glad everything worked out...
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17:03<stderr>Still a bit puzzled about the /etc/localtime link...
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17:04<william>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3519 Nov 9 11:46 /etc/localtime
17:04<william>kde must break it
17:04<stderr><william_> lrwxrwxrwx 2 root root 13 Jul 27 16:35 /etc/localtime -> ../posixrules
17:04<william>Debian fixed it
17:05<william>and posixrules didn't even exist
17:05<stderr>At least not in /etc.
17:05<stderr>It's a dir in /usr/share/zoneinfo
17:05<william>well not ../ from it
17:05<william>it is in zoneinfo
17:05<william> /usr/share/zoneinfo/posixrules
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17:06<william>Should I tell kde about this?
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17:06<william>It must be a bug, right?
17:06<william>well or is it the debian package?
17:06<stderr>Ah, the dir I was thinking about is just posix.
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17:07<william>on a separate note, which irc client do you use?
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17:11<stderr>william: I use xchat, but I know irssi is popular too.
17:12<william>thanks, I am using smuxi and it is a bit lack luster.
17:12<XChatter>Hello everyone. I am using XChat
17:12<william>XChatter: go figure, huh:)
17:13<XChatter>I thought I would try it. So far so good.
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17:14<william>I might have to check it out. smuxi doesn't seem to let me save anything channels and identify and such.
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17:15<XChatter>XChat seems to be the best so far. Full featured, though a bit heavy on memory usage
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17:16<XChatter>I am not sure about security of XChat, though
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17:17<jeep>if your dumb enough to believe everything you read .. xchat could be dangerous
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17:19<XChatter>are there any known security vulnerabilities @jeep
17:19<jeep>XChatter: i dont think so .. if your paranoid could always setup a chroot for it
17:20<stderr>Or unplug the network cable.
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17:25<stderr>Hey, it worked! :-)
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17:28<jeep>stderr: he is now secure !
17:30<petn-randall>That's why I recommend AT&T.
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17:35<jeep>because at&t is always disconnected ?
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18:25<noob7>guys, when I go to and click on the "BitTorrent" button I get on a site, where I can NOT find a torrent for the live-image of debian. (after googling I found this
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18:26<noob7>is the bittorrent link wrong or am I just unable to find the liveimage on that page?
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18:27<themill>noob7: the "amd64" and "i386" links are right
18:29<noob7>oops, I thought that would be the links to the debian servers and not the bittorent files thanks
18:29<noob7>cause it tell that I should use bittorrent if I can
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18:31<noob7>the links for the dvd are wrong I guess
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18:32<noob7>ahh I got it the left one is bittorrent and the right is server download
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18:33<noob7>thx and bye
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18:43<MyName>just stopping by
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18:45<MyName>kinda a looper seeing whats out there 96B00
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18:51<aidalgol>I have i386 added as a foreign architecture on my amd64 system, but apt tells me there's no xorg-dev:i386 package when I run 'apt-get install xorg-dev:i386'.
18:52<devil_>aidalgol: are you looking for xserver-xorg-dev?
18:53<aidalgol>No, the xorg-dev metapackage.
18:54<themill>it's arch: all
18:54<devil_>well, I can't see that in :386
18:55<aidalgol>oh, ok, that would be the problem.
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19:15<aidalgol>I need whatever 32-bit X libs Wine needs. 'You will need to install 32-bit development packages of Xlib/Xfree86 at the very least.'
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19:20<SamB>why can't you ask for an arch: all package for a given non-native arch ...
19:21<SamB>aidalgol: I guess you want libx11-dev for starters
19:22<themill>SamB: what would that mean in practice?
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19:23<themill>the arch:all → arch:any dependency chain in m-a isn't well defined.
19:23<SamB>themill: well, it would mean you want the deps to be satisfied on that architecture
19:24<SamB>(the ones that aren't wildcarded one way or another)
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19:54<redder>how do you properly configure the hibernate and suspend features in xfce?
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19:59<klay>Hi all!
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20:01<klay>Some packages are installed as dependencies. I want the command apt-get autoremove doesn't remove them.
20:02<redder>have you tried purge?
20:03<klay>I removed some packages (gnome, gnome-shell, etc) with --purge option
20:04<klay>Now system offers me to remove 160 pkgs
20:04<klay>^ with apt-get autoremove, but some packages is needed
20:05<jeep>klay: run the autoremove .. and then reinstall the ones you need
20:07<klay>jeep, Debian don't have a command (option for apt, etc) for change the status of packages?
20:08<klay>As far as I understand, now satus of these 160 packages - "installed as a dependency." This can be changed?
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20:09<aidalgol>klay: aptitude unmarkauto
20:10<klay>aidalgol, thaks
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20:11<klay>aidalgol, this is what is needed. thank you :)
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20:15<aidalgol>Now Wine's ./configure is complaining about missing FreeType 32-bit development files. If I try to install libfreetype6-dev:i386, apt complains it conflicts with libfreetype6-dev.
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20:27<Eco>!tell Eco about Mint
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20:41<manjaroG>any body knows about manjaro?
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20:57<manjaroG>any one can help me?
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20:58<alex45>manjaroG: we can try to dispatch an emergency Debian team to your location-- but its probably not available in your area. In the meantime, you can post your question to see if someone can help
20:59<manjaroG>ok thanks....i will try in another room
21:01<alex45>manjaroG, everyone has different experiences/expertises, we won't know if we can help you unless you tell us what you need help with
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21:01<musca>hi manjaroG, just ask your question now.
21:02<manjaroG>i installed manjaro but the problem is the grub doesn't recon the manjaro software
21:03<dpkg>Manjaro Linux is desktop-oriented distribution based on Arch Linux. #manjaro on
21:03<manjaroG>i was trying in ubuntu upgrade my grub (cause i have ubuntu 13.10)
21:03<manjaroG>but manjaro is ARchlinux... or not?
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21:04<michael_>hello all
21:04<musca>manjaro is ... manjaro, they have their own support channel.
21:04<manjaroG>ok.... thanks i will try to find that channel
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21:05<musca>hello michael_
21:09<michael_>hi musca
21:10<michael_>is it always this quiet?
21:10*jeep whispers
21:11<michael_>guess Im in some sort of library
21:11<michael_>does everyone whisper? Im deaf, my whisper is everyone elses shout
21:11<jeep>its not that bad i hope
21:12<michael_>youre not sat here looking at a chat room where noone chats
21:13<heckman>Well, this is more of a support channel than an overly social one.
21:13<michael_>I did go into emdebian to try and find out why their download scripts dont work but I think theyre either asleep or at a seance
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21:14<michael_>Im trying unsuccessfully to get eclipse set up to cross compile for a beaglebone but keep falling over my lack of knowledge
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21:15<michael_>got it so I have access to the bone from inside eclipse but getting the right paths to the compiler and everythings has me almost at the point of saying to hell with it
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21:16<michael_>all this is on Debian7 just installed
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21:16<michael_>maybe I should start smoking and go the linux smokers club
21:17<michael_>when I was at school we got caned for asking questions so I dont really know how to do that just in case your wondering why I havent asked one
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21:18<michael_>but seeing as how Im the only one talking I guess I'll just go and make tea
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21:41<Argure>I'm having some issues using the 3.10 kernel from wheezy-backports
21:41<Argure>starting nouveau seems to fail when booting with that kernel
21:41<Argure>however, it has no issues when booting with 3.2 from stable
21:41<Argure>any ideas? :)
21:42<Argure>(the first two boots are with 3.10, the third with 3.2)
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23:43<Scynix>so uh.. after all the problems I wash aving on one of my boxes, I decided to do a fresh install with a clean drive. I put in the debian boot cd, and when I select *any option* on the menu, install, rescue, anything- the computer restarts itself. Thoughts?
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23:46<stderr>Scynix: Run a memtest. Is the machine overclocked?
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