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---Logopened Tue Nov 12 00:00:25 2013
00:01<LtL>xc: my last suggestion would be to follow the symlink and use that path instead, but i would read those target files first or you could over-write the contents completely
00:01<LtL>xc: the fact that it decreased brightness baffles me
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00:02<xc>LtL . ok. i did it . now i have a lote of lines .bash_history .bash_logout .bashrc .cache/ ........
00:02<LtL>xc: those are dotfiles in /home/
00:02<xc>i mean hiting 'tab'
00:02<LtL>yeah
00:03<xc>why i had to do it?
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00:05<LtL>xc: it saves typing. you might try installing acpi-support to fix this
00:05<LtL>xc: it seems to be a common issue with gnome
00:06<xc>LtL: so i have to install acpi-support for fix brightness problem ?
00:06<LtL>xc: on some laptops that package sets screen brightness. try 'dpkg -l |grep acpi-support'
00:08<xc>LtL : last command return ii acpi-support 0.142-2....... ii acpi-support-base 0.141-2.....
00:09<xc>so i have acpi-support instaled
00:09<LtL>xc: it's installed
00:09<LtL>yeah
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00:11<xc>LtL. in the same laptop i installed Debian Wheezy with kernel 3.2 and i dont had this problem. i have it now after debian Jessie installation kernel 3.10
00:11<xc>so is kernel problem no acpi maybe?
00:12<LtL>xc: echo 2 >/sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness -- try this and different settings to get your brightness where you want it
00:12<LtL>try that
00:12<LtL>xc: acpi is working, it might be a your video driver or a bug in acpi
00:12<xc>LtL: last command dimmed my screen
00:13<xc>like echo 5 > ...
00:13<LtL>xc: ok, now try a value to brighten it
00:13<LtL>xc: just page-up key to repeat/edit commands
00:13<xc>LtL: wish 1 ?
00:13<xc>950?
00:14<LtL>xc: 950 may be to high
00:14<LtL>xc: try gradually increasing it
00:15<LtL>xc: try 10 then 20 etc
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00:15<LtL>xc: just up-arrow and edit it
00:15<LtL>saves typing
00:16<xc>LtL: with echo 10, 20 it works well. brightness increased
00:17<xc>LtL. with echo 100 > screen is 100% bright
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00:18<s3ction>anyone here work with xen and tls wrapped vnc?
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00:19<xc>LtL: with 'echo 100 >...' my screen is 100% bright now . so maybe in rc.local i have to change echo 950 > to echo 100 > ?
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00:20<xc>LtL: save the file and reboot?
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00:22<LtL>xc: sounds promising, yeah go for it, its definetly a gnome bug
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00:23<xc>LtL. ok
00:23<xc>LtL: going to try
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00:33<redder>where r xchat convos stored to on the comp?
00:35<LtL>redder: ~/.xchat2/ ?
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00:35<LtL>redder: whats a 'convo'?
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00:59<morgen>How to open a file in mdb of Debian?
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01:00<LtL>xc: any luck?
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01:06<xc>LtL: solved 50%
01:06<xc>i go have 1 smoke
01:06<xc>LtL i go smoke 1 . brb please :)brb please
01:07<LtL>ok
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01:25<xc>LtL: sorry please. i made a mistake since the begining. i said you i don't have the 'rc.local' but is not true; i have it. i made mistake writing in terminal: cd / etc (space before etc) and no the correct one: cd /etc (without space before 'ect'). Now i did: 'cd /etc' and i followed the instruction in the link you gived me. Now i don't get 0 brightness at kernel boot, GDM and in Gnome session. Now i put brightness at 100% but when i reboot have minimum brightne
01:25<xc>ss. In rc.local i have 'echo 950' 'echo 5' and 'echo 5'. What i have to change for get 100% brightness?
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01:27<xc>LtL: i hope you understand my bad english
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01:28<LtL>xc: change the 950 to 100
01:28<xc>LtL: ok
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01:30<LtL>xc: see if you have a rc.local file in the / dir if so delete it, its supposed to be /etc/rc.local
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01:30<LtL>xc: be damn careful what you delete!!!
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01:31<xc>LtL: ok
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01:31<LtL>xc: if you didn't create a file i doubt its there
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01:32<LtL>xc: /etc/rc.local must exist and always is there on any distro as far as i know
01:32<LtL>xc: its not always used is all.
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01:34<xc>LtL: at the begining i did cd / etc and nano rc.local (the mistake) . but i did again cd / etc and edited rc.local and deleted the content. i go for check if there is no rc.local i / directory
01:35<xc>LtL: i will no touch /etc/rc.local
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01:35<LtL>xc: then you may have a /rc.local which does no harm, but has no place being in the root FS dir
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01:36<xc>LtL: i understand. i was going to ask you before you tell me
01:36<xc>:)
01:38<LtL>xc: type ls / -- see a rc.local there?
01:38<LtL>just ls /
01:38<xc>LtL: yes i have an rc.local in my / dir. it's empty. i delete it so, right?
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01:39<LtL>xc: yes just be sure you delete the rc.local
01:40<sara>my repository is no longer available for lubuntu 12.4, how do i get to a new repository?
01:40<xc>dont worry. thanks. is the empty file i created myself by mistake. i deleted it. no wi go put 'echo 100 in /etc/rc.local and reboot
01:40<LtL>xc: as root, always use extreme caution, when in doubt make a copy first
01:41<xc>LtL: thanks . i know :P
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01:42<xc>LtL: i cant delete the rc.local i created. how i can do it in concole?
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01:43<sara>actually its the medibuntu repositories, are they important?
01:44<xc>LtL: i have to be root in nautilus for delet the rc.local i created in / dir by mistake? how i can do it?
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01:45<LtL>xc: open a terminal, type cd / hit enter, type rm -i rc.local
01:46<xc>LtL: ok
01:46<xc>thanks
01:46<LtL>xc: nautilus is nice but these things are best done in a shell terminal
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01:52<xc>LtL: thanks:) rc.local deleted. echo 950 changed to echo 100 in /etc/rc.local and rebooting
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01:52<LtL>xc: good luck
01:52<xc>LtL :)
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01:56<xc>LtL: i dont get 0 brightness in kernel boot, GDM and Gnome-shell like before but minimum brightness. Do you think is good idea put 'echo 100' in the three lines in the rc.local?
01:57<LtL>xc: i'm not sure, shouldn't hurt to try
01:57<xc>LtL: ok i try
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02:11<xc>LtL: in rc.local i changed 'echo 950 > /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness' to 'echo 100 > /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness' ; 'echo 5 > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness' to 'echo 100> /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness' and 'echo 5 > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video1/brightness' to 'echo 100> /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video1/brightness' . And BINGOOOO. No more black screen(0 brightness) in GDM screen and Gnome
02:11<xc>-shell session . I think that my problem is solved at 75 %. I still get miiinimum brightness just in kernel boot process. LtL :)
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02:12<LtL>xc: well, you have gnome 3 right
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02:13<xc>LtL: yeaaaah. Is thanks to you!!!! thank you!
02:13<LtL>xc: seems a common issue, there's an extension which claims to fix this, its up to you if you want to try it.
02:14<LtL>xc: so its ok?
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02:15<xc>LtL: yeah it ok! but i would like see boot process. see when kernel boot
02:15<LtL>xc: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/231/brightness-control/ is something you may want to look at, -or- keep asking if anyone has a better fix
02:16<LtL>xc: so, glad i helped some, time for me to go. see ya :)
02:16<xc>LtL: the changes i made in rc.local are good solution no? or i need look another 1?
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02:17<LtL>xc: totally up to you, this seems a common issue with gnome3 on laptops.. some not all. so its up to you
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02:17<LtL>xc: yeah rc.local is fine, you may do better another way is all i'm saying
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02:18<LtL>xc: gotta go, take care :-)
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02:18<xc>LtL: your help was realy great. thank's a lot!!! i have another Dell laptop with Debian too and all works well . so no problem. I use this Lenovo for learn about Debian and Linux so no problem. Thank you very much LtL. i hope talk to you again next time!
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02:19<LtL>xc: you're welcome, night
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02:19<xc>LtL: good night!
02:20<xc>if Debian was a girl i'll ask her to marry me :) i'm in love :P
02:21<xc>LtL: thanks and bye ;)
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03:31<dalit>i cant copy a certain file to my pen drive. It says file is read-only, cant copy
03:31<weasel>ls -l $filename /$targetdir/$filename
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03:32<Stummi>dalit, please paste exactly what you typed and what the error message is you got
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03:58<netman1>Hi All. Got an itch to scratch. If I'm interested in the way the different desktop environments (gnome/kde etc.) integrate with a basic minimal install, what would be the place to start researching? Which packages are involved? They have obviously Xorg in common, but where does the diffence start?
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04:05<jm_>netman1: look at meta packages
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04:11<netman1>jm_: like gnome-desktop?
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04:12<jm_>netman1: /msg dpkg install gnome ; /msg dpkg install kde to get an idea
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04:13<netman1> /msg dpkg install gnome
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04:14<netman1>Oops. Sorry.
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04:24<male>Hi All, is git.debian.org down ? I can't access it anymore...
04:24<themill>yes
04:25<themill>!alioth down
04:25<dpkg>Alioth (http://alioth.debian.org/) is Debian's FusionForge server, see http://wiki.debian.org/Alioth for service and technical details. This service is currently (2013-11-11) down due to a disk crash, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-infrastructure-announce/2013/11/msg00001.html for more information. #alioth on irc.oftc.net.
04:25<male>themil. dpkg, thanks
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04:50<informatica>WAS MIT DIR DU FRESCHER???
04:50<Putilla>putillas
04:51<informatica>putes publiques
04:51<Putilla>Ogan
04:51<Putilla>contesten
04:51<Putilla>maldittos
04:51<Putilla>ptos
04:51<informatica>VENDETTA VENDETTA
04:51<Putilla>conteesten
04:51<Putilla>putillas
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05:08<daenney>Is anyone else havving issues accessing any of the anonscm.debian.org or (*.)alioth.debian.org?
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05:08<daenney>I can't access it from home, work and my server in a datacenter in Amsterdam
05:08<themill>!alioth down
05:08<dpkg>Alioth (http://alioth.debian.org/) is Debian's FusionForge server, see http://wiki.debian.org/Alioth for service and technical details. This service is currently (2013-11-11) down due to a disk crash, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-infrastructure-announce/2013/11/msg00001.html for more information. #alioth on irc.oftc.net.
05:09<daenney>Ah, thanks
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05:10<uapv9906226>test
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05:10<uapv9906226>coucou
05:10<uapv1203441>cucu
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05:21<TBombadil>are there any known issues with alioth?
05:22<themill>!alioth down
05:22<dpkg>Alioth (http://alioth.debian.org/) is Debian's FusionForge server, see http://wiki.debian.org/Alioth for service and technical details. This service is currently (2013-11-11) down due to a disk crash, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-infrastructure-announce/2013/11/msg00001.html for more information. #alioth on irc.oftc.net.
05:22-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
05:22<TBombadil>!alioth fully up
05:22-!-themill changed the topic of #debian to: alioth: /msg dpkg alioth down | wheezy released: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy | current point release: /msg dpkg 7.2 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next
05:22-!-mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill
05:23<TBombadil>alioth seems to reset connections on port 80 and port 443
05:23<devil>TBombadil: a statement from yesterday said, it would be days before it comes back
05:24<TBombadil>ok, thanks for the link (me: ENOCOFFEE)
05:24<devil>http://lists.debian.org/debian-infrastructure-announce/2013/11/msg00001.html
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05:24<devil>ah, that's already in the topic :)
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05:27*TBombadil subscribes to d-i-a@l.d.o now
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05:30<TsT>hi
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05:31<TsT>wheezy-backports disapears on debian.org webiste
05:31<TsT>is ti a known problem ?
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05:33<TsT>http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/nginx-common <- click on the wheezy-backports link
05:33<TsT>http://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/nginx-common
05:33<TsT>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=wheezy-backports <- no result
05:35<TsT>hmm
05:35<TsT>it seems fixed
05:35<TsT>thanks :D
05:35<TsT>enjoy!
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05:43<male>A stupid question, I want to package a python application, but it don't have any setup.py, so I can't go py2dsc way, should I than package it in a usual way without any support from dh_python friends ?
05:44<SynrG>i think you want #debian-mentors or #debian-python
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05:45<amrish>h
05:45<amrish>hu
05:46<babilen>male: fwiw, I would recommend to write a setup.py and have upstream accept it in the long run.
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05:47<male>babilen, thanks, I'll try it
05:47<male>SynrG, true :)
05:47<SynrG>for next time :)
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06:00<deiz>hi
06:01<deiz>how is stable is jessie?
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06:03<Maulkin>deiz: It's not
06:03<Maulkin>!testing
06:03<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <jessie>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <wheezy->jessie> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
06:04<Maulkin>Though it depends what you mean by stable.
06:04<deiz>well i'm not running a server
06:04<SynrG>deiz: join #debian-next and read the sid faq in the topic
06:04<deiz>but i do intend to run postgresql9.3/RoR on it
06:04<deiz>and general day to day use
06:04<SynrG>deiz: we would be happy to address your concerns there.
06:05<deiz>ok i'll pop over there
06:05<Maulkin>I should probably join there...
06:05<Stummi>SynrG, just curious: Why do you point someone asking for jessie to sid?
06:05<SynrG>Maulkin: yes, yes you should :)
06:05<SynrG>Stummi: i'm not.
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06:05<Stummi>so, the sid faq does also address testing?
06:06<SynrG>it is the "mostly sid but this also somewhat applies to testing" faq. but that's a little long of a title ;)
06:06<SynrG>Stummi: see question #2:
06:06<SynrG>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#What_are_some_best_practices_for_testing.2Fsid_users.3F
06:07<Stummi>ah, yes, I see
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06:24<deiz>hello
06:25<deiz>do i need to reiterate my ussue here? lol
06:25<deiz>or can we pick up where we dropped off
06:25<SynrG>yes. different group of people. just some up
06:25<SynrG>sum
06:25<SynrG>*
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06:25<deiz>wifi dropping, running wheezy, and using brcmsmac mod
06:26<SynrG>about how often? do you have other wifi devices on the same AP? do they have issues?
06:26<SynrG>problems with just one AP or with all APs?
06:27<SynrG>is there anything in /var/log/syslog in the way of error messages that might help diagnose?
06:27<deiz>it's very random, sometimes, once every five minutes for two minutes, every hour for 10 minutes, sometimes it will be fine for hours
06:27<deiz>i can easily eliminate it to this system as it's the same on different wi-fi networks
06:27<deiz>(using different security too)
06:27<deiz>one uses wep the other, wpa2
06:28<SynrG>or in dmesg
06:28<deiz>will have a look at the log
06:28<deiz>ur dealing with a newbie somewhat here
06:28<deiz>been on and off linux for a few years now
06:28<SynrG>using stable kernel? you might enjoy improvements to the driver in a kernel backport
06:29<deiz>possibly yes
06:29<jm_>also check for newer firmware on bpo
06:29<deiz>what do i type to show the kernel verison again
06:29<SynrG>deiz: uname -r
06:29<SynrG>!bdo kernel
06:29<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
06:30<deiz>3.2.0-4-amd64
06:30<SynrG>yeah, stable kernel
06:30<deiz>oh cool
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06:30<SynrG>,kernels
06:30<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.12-rc7-686-pae (3.12~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.11-1-686-pae (3.11.6-2); jessie: 3.10-3-686-pae (3.10.11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.10.11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4)
06:30<deiz>dmesg seems to refer to wlan0 quite often
06:30<deiz>shall i pastebin it for you?
06:30<SynrG>sure
06:31<SynrG>deiz: and jm_ has a point. firmware could be updated from backports independently of the driver.
06:32<deiz>http://pastebin.com/v37NeDWJ
06:32<SynrG>!tell deiz about debian-backports
06:32<SynrG>ok. in future, please use paste.debian.net (or something that doesn't suck like pastebin.com ;)
06:33<deiz>ok no worries
06:33<SynrG>!pastebin.com
06:33<dpkg>pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/
06:33<deiz>hold on then
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06:34<deiz>http://paste.debian.net/65399/
06:34<deiz>i'm no good at reading log outputs
06:34<deiz>i'll check var logs now
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06:35<Maulkin>deiz: Looks like the proprietory module is quite poor quality
06:36<deiz>is there another flavoured one i could use?
06:36<SynrG>sadly, this is a theme with broadcom
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06:36<deiz>so i've heard
06:37<Maulkin>deiz: What's the chipset?
06:37<deiz>4225
06:37<SynrG>deiz: lspci -nn | grep -i network
06:37<SynrG>this will give us the pciid, which is more accurate than model# for determining your exact hardware.
06:37<deiz>BCM43225
06:37<SynrG>the whole line, please.
06:38<deiz>02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM43225 802.11b/g/n [14e4:4357] (rev 01)
06:38<SynrG>,pciid [14e4:4357]
06:38<judd>[14e4:4357] is 'BCM43225 802.11b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'brcmsmac' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4357 http://wiki.debian.org/wl http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 and the out-of-tree 'wl' module.
06:38<SynrG>thanks
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06:39<deiz>the last link is where the driver is from
06:39<Maulkin>Also, try searching google for "ieee80211 phy0: brcmsmac: brcms_ops_bss_info_changed: disassociated"
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06:39<Maulkin>That's got lots of links
06:40<deiz>basically what i did was:
06:40<deiz># apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-brcm80211
06:40<deiz># modprobe -r brcmsmac ; modprobe brcmsmac
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06:42<deiz>shall i try the bcm43xx driver?
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06:45<SynrG>deiz: no. your chipset doesn't appear on the list that it supports
06:46<deiz>oh yes, it refers me to the driver i already use
06:46<SynrG>so, as per advice earlier, you could try installing new firmware from backports
06:47<SynrG>you need to either reload the driver after that, or reboot
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06:47<deiz>ok, how about i try to do the: iwconfig eth1 power off thing?
06:47<deiz>i don't know how it's set up on mine at the moment
06:47<SynrG>i.e. reload is: modprobe -r brcm80211 ; modprobe brcm80211
06:48<SynrG>as per the wiki page on brcm80211 above
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06:48<deiz>just type it in to a shell?
06:48<deiz>that simple?
06:48<SynrG>as root, yes
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06:48<deiz>jesus, linux is incredible
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06:49<deiz>says no such device
06:49<SynrG>but install firmware first by following instructions to add backports (got those still?) and apt-get install -t wheezy-backports firmware-brcm80211
06:49<deiz>why on eth1 thought?
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06:50<deiz>will install the new one
06:50<deiz>stay tuned
06:50<SynrG>probably due to prior udev autoconfiguration using a different signature
06:51<SynrG>check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
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06:54<SynrG>deiz: in particular, if in that file you see multiple lines for the same device (ATTR{address} is the same is one clue that it's the same device) that would explain why you have eth1, not eth0. as for "eth" vs "wlan", most drivers have standardized on the latter, but not all.
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06:54<SynrG>but probably more likely is that eth0 is your ethernet and eth1 is your wireless. and that's all.
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06:55<SynrG>so forget my earlier speculation :)
06:55<deiz>isn't my wifi wlan0?
06:55<SynrG>depends on the driver.
06:56<SynrG>oh
06:56<deiz>is this what i need to disable power management for?
06:56<SynrG>what says eth1?
06:56<SynrG>sorry, i've missed where "eth1" comes from ...
06:56<SynrG>rechecking your earlier pastebin, wlan0 is indeed your wireless
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06:56<deiz>point 2 in known issues here: https://wiki.debian.org/wl
06:57<deiz>but maybe i shouldn't use that to diagnose my card
06:57<SynrG>but you're not using wl ...
06:57<deiz>i was thinking it could be an issue as whole?
06:57<deiz>regardless of the driver
06:57<SynrG>don't try to mix advice from different pages for different drivers.
06:57<deiz>ok i won't
06:57<SynrG>and stay focused. try the new firmware first :)
06:57<deiz>gonna do that now
06:58<deiz>just switching back to wheezy instead of jessie
06:58<deiz>i just comment out the flavour i don't need :)
06:58<SynrG>you didn't upgrade when changing your sources.list, did you?
06:59<SynrG>generally, once you upgrade (even partially) there is no going back
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07:00<deiz>no no
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07:00<deiz>i just wanted a look at what versions where available
07:00<deiz>compared to what is in wheezy
07:00<SynrG>ah. it's better to do that by examining packages.debian.org
07:01<SynrG>or you can message the bot 'judd' here on irc
07:01<SynrG>/msg judd v nameofpackage
07:01<deiz>can u do me a favour and ping the following for me... 212.211.132.32 80
07:01*judd waves
07:01<deiz>i can't connect to update
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07:02<deiz>cos my packages are filled with jessie info, need to reload to wheezy before the backports
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07:03<SynrG>deiz: one generally does not use ip# in sources.list ... what do you have in your sources.list?
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07:03<SynrG>also, due to virtual hosting, i would need the domain name
07:03<SynrG>the host itself is alive ...
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07:03<SynrG>but it is not recommended to upgrade directly from debian hosts, but use mirrors instead.
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07:04<veindrain1>hey guys i'm looking for the extension pack for virtual box 4.1.18. anyone had experience with 4.1.28 or 4.2.18 ? i can't find the exact version for the official debian version (4.1.18)
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07:05<SynrG>veindrain1: beats me. i think you need to ask #vbox @ freenode about that.
07:05<SynrG>veindrain1: mind you, they don't support the debian packages, but only their own.
07:06<SynrG>they might have an archive of older versions though
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07:06<veindrain1>SynrG: the funny part is that i have done it before but i can't remember how lol
07:06*SynrG shrugs
07:06<SynrG>i just use upstream's packages. debian's versions lag behind too much.
07:07<SynrG>causing breakage when trying newer kernels, for example.
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07:07<SynrG>i don't know how the situation is at the present moment ... years ago i gave up fighting :p
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07:07<veindrain1>SynrG: true that
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07:07<deiz>back, connection dropped
07:08<deiz>now for that backport update
07:08<veindrain1>SynrG: debian vbox version is 4.1.18 and general vbox has reached 4.3
07:08<deiz>synrG what was the apt command again
07:08<deiz>that i need to type
07:09<themill>veindrain1: 4.2.16 is in debian
07:09<deiz>and the one for reloading the module
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07:09<veindrain1>themill: isn't it in contrib ?
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07:10<themill>yes
07:10<veindrain1>themill: is it stable?
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07:10<themill>as much as virtualbox ever is
07:11<medicalwei>what part of virtualbox is contributed to non-free then?
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07:11<themill>medicalwei: the emulated bios
07:12<medicalwei>themill: I see.
07:12<SynrG>devil: you added backports to your sources.list?
07:12<SynrG>grr, tab completion fail
07:12<SynrG>deiz's connection sucks
07:12<veindrain1>SynrG: lol
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07:13<SynrG>i know it's OT, but 4.3.0 release was a bit of a disaster. 4.3.2 is working nicely for me, though.
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07:14<deiz>SynrG: what was that apt command that i had to run to get the backport update
07:14<deiz>also the module reload command?
07:15<SynrG>deiz: you added backports to your sources.list first and did apt-get update, right?
07:15<deiz>yea
07:15<SynrG>07:47 < SynrG> i.e. reload is: modprobe -r brcm80211 ; modprobe brcm80211
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07:15<deiz>all done and update
07:15<SynrG>07:49 < SynrG> but install firmware first by following instructions to add backports (got those still?) and apt-get install -t
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07:15<SynrG> wheezy-backports firmware-brcm80211
07:15<deiz>cool cool
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07:16<SynrG>so do the modprobe after that :)
07:16<xubuntu>+
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07:16<deiz>already the newest versio
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07:16<SynrG>,v firmware-brcm80211
07:16<judd>Package: firmware-brcm80211 on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.40~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.40; sid/non-free: 0.40
07:17<SynrG>deiz: did you remember to include non-free in your backports line?
07:17<deiz>let me check
07:17<deiz>no, i will modify it
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07:22<deiz>back again, after a 3rd disconnect
07:22<deiz>driver update though
07:23<deiz>what was that mod reload command again
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07:24<SynrG>technically that was a firmware update, not driver update
07:24<SynrG>modprobe -r brcm80211 ; modprobe brcm80211
07:24<SynrG>if the firmware alone doesn't help, the driver could be updated using a backport kernel
07:25<SynrG>i've heard irc logging is a wonderful thing, by the way ;)
07:25<deiz>why can't it find the module now?
07:25<deiz>it says fatal can't find it
07:25<SynrG>i don't know. maybe hte wiki page is wrong? maybe i typoed?
07:25<SynrG>maybe i misread the wiki page?
07:25<deiz>no no, this is weird
07:25<deiz>let me see...
07:26<deiz>a restart would reload it won't it
07:26<SynrG>the latter
07:26<SynrG>modprobe -r brcmsmac ; modprobe brcmsmac
07:26<deiz>oh yes
07:26<SynrG>i misread the instructions for squeeze, not wheezy
07:26<SynrG>sorry about that
07:27<deiz>ok, it reconnected ?
07:27<SynrG>and then see if it remains stable after running it for a while
07:27<deiz>i saw the wifi icon in the bottom right
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07:27<SynrG>if that alone doesn't do it, proceed to trying a backport kernel. but others here will have to assist with that ...
07:27<SynrG>!bpo kernel
07:27<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
07:27<SynrG>i have to run and catch my bus to work. good luck.
07:27<deiz>a backport being newer?
07:27<SynrG>yes
07:27<SynrG>,kernels
07:27<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.12-rc7-686-pae (3.12~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.11-1-686-pae (3.11.6-2); jessie: 3.10-3-686-pae (3.10.11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.10.11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4)
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07:28<SynrG>i.e. 3.10.11 kernel instead of 3.2.51
07:28<deiz>why is my kernel amd64 and not 686-pae?
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07:28<SynrG>because your processor supports it and the installer thought that would be nice to have?
07:28*SynrG shrugs
07:29<deiz>but isn't 686 better?
07:29<SynrG>eh?
07:29<SynrG>686-pae is 32 bit. amd64 is 64 bit. in what way is 686 better?
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07:30<SynrG>!tell deiz about why amd64
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07:30<SynrG>... guess the firmware upgrade didn't help, hm? ;)
07:30<SynrG>anyway, over to #d to help this guy in my absence. tata
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07:34<deiz>bother: it just dropped again
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07:36<deiz>it's not that then
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07:36<deiz>would upgrading to jessie give me a new kernel
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07:41<deiz>i wonder how long this will last now
07:41<deiz>it's been as bad as the other one so far
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07:42<deiz>anyone here?
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07:44<deiz_>SynrG
07:44<deiz_>it's not better
07:44<deiz_> i usually tether it to my phone
07:44<deiz_>but forgot the cable today
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08:08<creampuff>Can you boot a btrfs system without a boot partition in Wheezy?
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08:11<Maulkin>creampuff: I think so, it's what's usually recommended, right?
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08:12<Maulkin>creampuff: See https://wiki.debian.org/Btrfs though
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08:13<creampuff>Thanks Maulkin
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08:24<deiz>hello again
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08:24<deiz>SynrG: if i upgrade to jessie would I get a new kernel?
08:24<jm_>newew kernel is available for wheezy too (on bpo)
08:25<jm_>judd kernels
08:25<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.12-rc7-686-pae (3.12~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 3.11-1-686-pae (3.11.6-2); jessie: 3.10-3-686-pae (3.10.11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.10.11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4)
08:25<jm_>in fact, it's the same version
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08:31<SynrG>jm_: damn, i wish he'd stay online long enough to get an answer ... i was here 10 minutes ago checking to see :/
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08:32<SynrG>anyway, my answer would be:
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08:32<SynrG>deiz: yes. but using a kernel backport is simpler. /msg dpkg bpo kernel
08:32<SynrG>(if-and-when he returns ;)
08:32<babilen>deiz is gone and I fear that (s)he's upgrading to jessie now :(
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08:33<SynrG>well, on #debian-next he said he'd wait until
08:33<SynrG>"after tomorrow"
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08:34<SynrG>which i think is likely because a) no ethernet cable b) dropping wifi all the time is no fun c) installing tethered to phone is expensive
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08:34<SynrG>deiz: ! stay online, k? ;)
08:34<deiz>i'll try
08:34<SynrG>deiz: yes. but using a kernel backport is simpler. /msg dpkg bpo kernel
08:34<SynrG>you already have backports enabled so ...
08:34<deiz>i forgot my usb cable i could have tethered to the phone
08:35<SynrG>just apt-get install -t wheezy-backports linux-image-amd64
08:35<deiz>i'll back on anytime if this connection doesn't hold
08:35<SynrG>(iirc, you said you currently have amd64 flavour)
08:35<SynrG>then reboot with that kernel
08:36<SynrG>if that goes badly for you, you also have the old kernel and can fall back
08:36<SynrG>just select the old kernel from the grub menu
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08:36<babilen>deiz: fwiw, it would probably be a not too bad choice to use amd64 for your next install if your processor supports that architecture
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08:37<SynrG>yeah
08:37<babilen>I doubt that deiz saw that message in time though :-/
08:37<SynrG>going forward that's a better choice
08:37<SynrG>bleh
08:37<SynrG>curse you, broadcom!
08:37*babilen shakes his fist
08:37<SynrG>my a thousand fleas infest your armpits
08:37<SynrG>may*
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08:40<SynrG>here's a question: if the kernel api doesn't change between stable point releases, but is upgraded nonetheless, is there any negative impact to running services (say, nfs) to not rebooting after the upgrade?
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08:41<SynrG>the reason i ask is, i've noticed some sluggishness to mounting nfs, post-upgrade ... and also to the client's view of 'ls'. sometimes it's fast, sometimes slow to react to updates on the nfs server.
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08:42<SynrG>plus some lovely errors like:
08:42<SynrG>[8783099.668124] nfsd: peername failed (err 107)!
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08:42<SynrG>i don't recall seeing any of those prior to upgrading. but maybe i was just not being vigilant
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08:44<SynrG>so, two specific questions, actually, the general one about reboots after point releases that don't do a kernel abi# bump (and specifically with reference to nfsd kernel module) and the more specific one about wtf this error msg is, and if it's related to the sluggishness i've observed. tnx :)
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08:57<deiz>back... but for how long
08:58<abrotman>only time will tell ...
08:59<deiz>i mean in terms of wifi connection
08:59<deiz>but yea time will tell
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09:37<deiz>will upgrade later
09:37<deiz>this is ridiculous
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09:47<DNS>why selinux is a dependency on so many apps if its disabled by default? and who does trust such as system since nsa affair?
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09:48<niko_20010>the only MAC i would use now is Grsec
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10:19<sasha>!l
10:19<dpkg>from memory, l is the english version of the greek letter lambda, as used by Alonzo Church in creating his lambda calculus.
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10:20<DNS>somebody maybe knows where it makes sense to ask these questions if not here?
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10:32<NeonLevel>Hello Everyone, Im having dificulties, in linux bridge, the scenario; is in a university, with up to 65 thousand IP address and 70thousand simulataneous connections, Im guessing the Linux bridge is not able to cope with this many connections or so, this all traffic is passing through a fortinet and is working OK, are there any tweaks I can perform to obtaing best performance??, please advice
10:33<deiz>is the hardware up to it, silly and obvious question, but i guess it needs to be asked
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10:33<deiz>i'm not a guru, ...also check var/logs for any relevant logs
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10:34<deiz>if it's that kind of bridge (as in a proper computer based one), if it's a realtime machine i've got no idea
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10:37<NeonLevel>The computer has double core processor last generation, with 4GB RAM
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10:37<NeonLevel>Both NIC cards are GBit, and I've double checked they negotiated 1000Mbps Full duplex
10:39<NeonLevel>and the internet passed, but very very slow, like worst than phone connection
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11:00<ColonelPanik_>Help, please. Where can I get GNOME 2 for Debian stable?
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11:01<captnfab>ColonelPanik_: it's calles Mate and istn't officially supported by Debian (yet)
11:01<captnfab>see http://mate-desktop.org/
11:01<captnfab>called*
11:03<NeonLevel>Hello Everyone, Im having dificulties, in linux bridge, the scenario; is in a university, with up to 65 thousand IP address and 70thousand simulataneous connections, Im guessing the Linux bridge is not able to cope with this many connections or so, this all traffic is passing through a fortinet and is working OK, are there any tweaks I can perform to obtaing best performance??, please advice
11:03<ColonelPanik_>MATE seems to break on upgrades. But it is the look/feel I need.
11:03<mtn>ColonelPanik_: gnome2 is not in debian any more
11:04<ColonelPanik_>mtn yes, but there must be a copy hiding somewhere?
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11:04<mtn>ColonelPanik_: not for stable, no
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11:05<mtn>ColonelPanik_: squeeze, which is old stable has it and will be supported for a few more months, but that is all
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11:08<ColonelPanik_>mtn, Again thanks, that will work for me.
11:08<guampa>ColonelPanik_: fwiw, i'm running mate without problems on wheezy
11:08<guampa>installed it from the mate repos
11:08<mtn>ColonelPanik_: yw
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11:09<ColonelPanik_>My wife and I both have used mate for sometime, there is hardware issues and usability issues. But is a beautiful desktop.
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11:11<guampa>It is, yes. It has its rough edges but for now "works 4 me", been lucky to not experience hardware issues yet.
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11:18<ColonelPanik>Power fail.
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11:33<captnfab>ColonelPanik: there's no other Gnome2 than Mate for stable, if you encounter problems, you might want to contribute to the mate project?
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11:35<ColonelPanik>Thnx, I am installing MATE now. But GNOME 2 was soooo nice.
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11:35<ColonelPanik>BTW I am old and dumb, some changes are tough to deal with.
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11:40<blast007>ColonelPanik: why not try one of the other desktop environments that is supported?
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11:45<ColonelPanik>blast007, They just do not have the usability of GNOME2 it takes more clicks to get somewhere. This is coming from LXDE which is not near a good a GNOME2
11:45<ColonelPanik>as good as....
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11:52<nadir>as long it takes clicks something is wrong anyway
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12:12<captnfab>true :)
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12:19<jgeek>I'm looking a way to install icecat on debian squeeze. it seems to be a painful task
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12:22<SynrG>jgeek: and in any case is not supported here
12:22<SynrG>!icecat
12:22<dpkg>GNU IceCat is a web browser distributed by the GNU Project, formerly known as GNU IceWeasel (not to be confused with Debian's <Iceweasel>). It is a fork of Mozilla Firefox made entirely of free software, without distributing or recommending non-free software as plug-ins or addons. Not packaged for Debian, RFP in bug #637348. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ #icecat on irc.freenode.net.
12:22<SynrG>jgeek: and why squeeze? that's ancient.
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12:25<jgeek><SynrG> upgrading wheezy will be a pain with my 0.4 mbps connection
12:25<SynrG>jgeek: i mean, will be EOL in a matter of months
12:25<SynrG>and then you get no security updates
12:25<SynrG>and this is a Bad Thing
12:25<SynrG>so ... solve that some time soonish? :)
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12:26<SynrG>you are already experiencing the pain of installing stuff you want on an ancient release ... it will get worse as time goes on
12:26<d3c0>!hi
12:26<dpkg>hello, d3c0
12:26<jgeek>yes I understand
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12:27<d3c0>how remove this signature
12:27<d3c0>W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://apt.postgresql.org wheezy-pgdg Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1381654177
12:27<jgeek>I can download wheezy from another location. is there a way of upgrading from a separate iso image ?
12:27<Maulkin>remove apt.postgresql.org from /etc/apt/sources.list - or talk to postgres about it
12:28<SynrG>see http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt which has instructions for installing their key. but we certainly don't support that here.
12:28<d3c0>:0
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12:28<Maulkin>jgeek: http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html
12:28<Maulkin>That shows you how to upgrade
12:29<d3c0>I need install the postgis, but this signature is :s to me
12:29<Maulkin>See "4.3.3 Adding APT sources from optical media" for example
12:30<SynrG>d3c0: like we said, not supported here. i gave you a link that probably fixes the problem for you (the apt-key instructions). if you have further questions, talk to postgresql.org, not us. it is their problem.
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12:30<jgeek>thanks, I need do try that. I'd like to move to wheezy
12:31<d3c0>SynrG: I know thank you n_n
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12:42<DNS>sorry RT, why selinux is a dependency on so many apps, if its disabled by default? and who need this or who does trust this, since nsa affair?
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12:45<DNS>sorry but i really wonder
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12:49<DNS>if nobody cares when how the descion can be make to remove it as dependency again or better said in which mailinglist?
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12:51<DNS>when=then
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12:53*DNS *sighs
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12:56<Maulkin>DNS: Huh? I'm slightly confused, what do you mean?
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12:56<Maulkin>And what does it have to do with the NSA?
12:57<Maulkin>s/NSA/NSA PRISM/
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12:58<DNS>Maulkin: this made by the NSA and afaik they still developed it with red hat
12:58<DNS>but my first question isnt related that much who made this
12:58<valdyn>DNS: most crypto standards are developed with the NSA participating. Are you suggesting we throw those out too?
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13:00<valdyn>DNS: theres a huge number of libraries that stuff depends on but rarely uses, like libselinux
13:00<valdyn>DNS: thats one drawback of not every developer writing his own linker
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13:08*yang is confused with packages "apache2, apache2-bin and apachee2.2-bin" dist-upgrade seems to mix them a bit ?
13:08<valdyn>yang: read the package descriptions
13:09<yang>i have apache2 and apache2.2-bin (2.2.22-13)
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13:09<valdyn>yang: what is still confusing then?
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13:11<yang>well the confusing this is if i try to upgrade "apache2" package it wants to remove apache2-bin and apache2.2-common
13:13<dondelelcaro>yang: if it's jessie or later, it'll install apache2.4-common et al.
13:14<yang>yes jessie
13:14<yang>ok
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13:15<yang>so I just install the "apache2" to grab it's 2.4 dependancies ?
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13:16<yang>it tries to remove stuff like php5 and phpmyadmin etc.
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13:25<d3c0>SynrG: resolved in this point /var/lib/apt/lists xD
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13:45<terrible96>there are something similar or better than rescatux to repair the system???
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14:12<RC7>ola
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14:13<RC7>ola
14:13<Supernase>hallo
14:13<RC7>hi
14:14<RC7>ola o q ace
14:14<yang>Is there a way to resolve Debian's PHP suhosin thing, it got removed due to system upgrade ?
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14:16<babilen>dpkg: tell yang -about suhosin
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14:22<yang>thanks
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14:42<Celelibi>Hi
14:43<Celelibi>How can I rebuild a package from source with a patch and install it?
14:43<Celelibi>I would like to apply this patch: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=728444#25
14:43<Celelibi>Because I need xpdf to work.
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14:46<babilen>dpkg: tell Celelibi about package recompile
14:47<babilen>Celelibi: I would, however, recommend to call "dch -l+local1" or something along those lines to create a unique version that is specific for your local package. Read dch's manpage for further details.
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14:49<babilen>Celelibi: You probably also want to use quilt for the patch, this usage is discussed in http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/modify.en.html
14:50<Celelibi>thanks
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14:51<Tingle>anyone here use beanstalkd?
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14:52<babilen>Celelibi: #debian-mentors is probably a better channel for further discussion if you run into problems with this :)
14:53<babilen>Tingle: Be the first!
14:53<Tingle>I am
14:53<Tingle>Im just having trouble understanding it
14:53<babilen>great :)
14:53<Tingle>its a queue server the way I get it
14:53<Tingle>and I have managed to put a job into it over php
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14:53<Tingle>but I thought beanstalkd actives and executes something once it has jobs, it should execute a php file/script or something
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14:54<Tingle>but it seems id have to create a cronjob to grab thejobs from the server
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14:54<Tingle>but whats up with that, that makes beanstalkd nothing more than a database holding things todo
14:54<Tingle>I could of just as well used a mysql table
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14:56<babilen>Tingle: You might want to ask on their mailing list: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/beanstalk-talk
14:56<Tingle>hmm ok
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14:56<Tingle>ty
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14:58<arrun>Hello guys, I needed a help !!!, how to add a new language in the system or language option?
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14:58<babilen>dpkg: tell arrun -about locales
14:59<Celelibi>babilen: the patch already modify the changelog. Should I really run dch again?
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15:00<babilen>Celelibi: That would probably not be necessary, but I would personally prefer to build it with a +local1 version number.
15:00<babilen>Celelibi: Let me take a look at the patch for a second.
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15:01<babilen>Celelibi: You don't want the UNREALEASED in there and I would personally prefer a +local1 version number.
15:02<babilen>(it doesn't have to be +local1, anything will do, but start it with +)
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15:02<Supernase>re
15:02<Celelibi>Why wouldn't I want the UNRELEASED?
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15:02<Cristian>hello im testing postfix +dovecot2.x and ldap, im receiving this error:
15:03<Cristian>Effective uid=5000, gid=5000, home=/home/vmail/user@example.com
15:03<Cristian>imap(user@example.com): Debug: Home dir not found: /home/vmail/user@example.com
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15:03<Celelibi>Do I need just to patch the changelog?
15:03<Cristian>how can i solve this?
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15:04<babilen>Celelibi: Sorry, I have to do something for ~30 minutes -- you might want to discuss the meaning of UNRELEASED and strategies to deal with this in #debian-mentors
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15:07<arrun>babilen: How can I create the locale setting files
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15:10<Cristian>here is my doveconf -n settings: http://paste.debian.net/65498/
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15:22<babilen>arrun: You just generate the locales. This process is triggered by running "dpkg-reconfigure locales" as mentioned in the message our bot, dpkg, sent you.
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15:23<arrun>babilen: sorry, but I was asking something to add a new language ISO Code :- "the"
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15:23<arrun>babilen: how do I add a new language ??
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15:24<SamB>I think you "dpkg-reconfigure locales"
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15:24<SamB>and change the settings in the menu
15:24<Celelibi>... My UPS is a joke.
15:25<Celelibi>Must be an empty box.
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15:26<babilen>arrun: Which language is missing? Why do you have to add a new one?
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15:27<arrun>babilen: I wanted to localize for my local language so, I needed to add a language pack in it for the language
15:28<babilen>arrun: Which language is that?
15:28<arrun>babilen: ISO Code :- "the" and name Chitwaniya Tharu
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15:29<babilen>arrun: Ah, and that locale doesn't exist yet?
15:29<arrun>babilen: yes u are correct !!!
15:30<arrun>babilen: so, how can it be possible to create the locale for it and add it in the system?
15:31<Delta706>I am running Gajim. How can I tell if a person in the list is online?
15:31<babilen>arrun: That's a bit more involved; give me a second.
15:31<arrun>babilen: ok
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15:36<babilen>arrun: http://sourceware.org/glibc/wiki/Locales seems to have some good information and links
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15:38<arrun>babilen: so, in that context, what steps should I perform to make that happen ; please can u enlist it !!!
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15:39<babilen>arrun: You might also want to ask in #glibc on irc.freenode.net -- defining a completely *new* locale and providing translations for it is by no means a simple task. I have never done that before and you definitely need to talk to people involved in the development.
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15:40<arrun>babilen: oh, so, can't I meet someone in this channel responsible for it ?
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15:47<arrun>babilen: none replied me !! :(
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15:47<babilen>arrun: Yes, it is a less active channel. Be patient and read the webpage I linked earlier.
15:48<arrun>babilen: ok !!
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15:48<arrun>babilen: so, please make me little clear what steps should I perform for it
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15:51<Walex>I vaguely remember that there is a tool that tells me the physical sector address of a block device block. Which one?
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16:10<musca>Walex: you think of Cylinder, Head, Sector (CHS) mapping? It's just an illusion on modern harddisks (If the have disks at all)
16:11<musca>if they ...
16:11<Walex>musca: no, LBA (sector address). To verify that after some layers of block-devices the starting address of a file-system is actually well aligned.
16:12<musca>How would you specify the block for the translation to lba?
16:13<Walex>musca: there is FIOBMAP for filesystem file offset to block device offset, but IIRC there is one for block device offset to LBA
16:13<Walex>musca: something like 'blockdev --getlba /dev/md3 0' for example
16:15*Walex checks whether 'blockdev' or 'hdparm' have something like that
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16:23<root>wow cool
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16:36<Walex>'hdparm' has '--fibmap' but it only works on files, not block devices.
16:37<Walex>'blockdev' has '--getalignoff' which I think just reads the corresponding file in '/sys/block/$DEVICE', but maybe I misremembered.
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16:38<tden>xhello
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16:38<tden>comment va
16:38<tden> :)
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16:51<nocturnal>is it possible to disable the caps lock key in xdm/xlogin? already done it in xmodmap but I just had a situation where I think caps lock was accidentally activated during xlogin and once I got into X it messed up my WM meta.
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16:52<nocturnal>the meta key worked but any key after meta had to be preceeded by shift because caps lock was on since xlogin.
16:52<nocturnal>and could not be turned off
16:53<dotut>hi how do i use LD_PRELOAD in an init.d script? Trying to use electric fence when the program loads to see if i can catch a crash
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16:57<valdyn>dotut: same way as always
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17:00<valdyn>nocturnal: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/75473/how-to-disable-caps-lock-without-remapping-or-disabling-it
17:00<dotut>valdyn: you mean LD_PRELOAD=... service test start?
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17:01<valdyn>dotut: you can put it into a seperate line in a script also
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17:02<valdyn>dotut: mmm, actually, you need to put it into a seperate line
17:03<evoke>quick question guys. are all the users in passwd file accessible?
17:03<valdyn>evoke: what does "accessible" mean?
17:03<evoke>there is an sshd user in passwd
17:03<evoke>should i be able to su - sshd?
17:03<valdyn>evoke: so?
17:03<evoke>and be the sshd user
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17:04<dotut>valdyn: OK, i might have figured it out but how do i check during runtime which libraries the program loads...so i can verify it actually loaded efence?
17:04<valdyn>evoke: that su command does not work for all users
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17:04<valdyn>evoke: the $SHELL is relevant in that case
17:05<evoke>ok
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17:05<valdyn>dotut: you can run "ldd <program>" in the same context
17:05<evoke>i see now
17:05<evoke>users that have /bin/false as there shell
17:06<valdyn>evoke: naturally root can still "access" that user
17:06<evoke>how
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17:06<ChibaPet>So, I just installed RhythmBox, and it has a little "broken link" type icon (page with red X) next to the currently playing track. Does anyone know what package I might be missing that contains whatever image file it wants?
17:06<evoke>i can not change to that user from root
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17:07<evoke>was really looking to change to this user
17:07<evoke>tomcat7:x:118:126::/usr/share/tomcat7:/bin/false
17:07<valdyn>evoke: "su -s /bin/bash sshd"
17:07<evoke>oh right
17:07<evoke>got you now
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17:09<evoke>changed to that user
17:09<evoke>thanks
17:09<evoke>have to read up on passwd again
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17:10<valdyn>evoke: i use /bin/false to lock out users that actually do have a password. Not sure which pattern or purpose debian is following there
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17:12<evoke>good way to lock out
17:13<nocturnal>thanks valdyn I'll give it a shot
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17:28<unknown>debian 7 lxde with virtual desktops, how to remove them and use only one
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17:33<william>If I run grub-update it changes my grub.cfg menu entires to use the UUID and I want it to stick with /dev/xvda. Any ideas how to get it to not change?
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17:53<deiz>hello
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17:54<petn-randall>hi deiz
17:54<SynrG>deiz: back on a stable connection now?
17:54<deiz>just updating the kernel to the backports on
17:54<deiz>one
17:54<SynrG>yeah. i figured with your link that crappy, just downloading the kernel would be a chore
17:54<deiz>tethering off phones wifi at the moment via usb cable
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17:55<SynrG>hoping that does it for you
17:55<deiz>me too...
17:55<deiz>whats the tg3 module?
17:55<SynrG>ethernet, iirc
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17:55<deiz>oh ok
17:55<SynrG>!tg3
17:55<dpkg>tg3 is a Linux kernel driver supporting Broadcom Tigon3 (aka NetXtreme I) and NetLink Ethernet controllers. Firmware from userspace (Debian Linux 2.6.29 and later kernels) is only required for support of the BCM5701 A0 controller and TCP Segment Offloading (<TSO>) functionality. Tigon3 firmware (tg3.bin, tg3_tso5.bin, tg3_tso.bin) is packaged in firmware-linux-nonfree, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <firmware images>.
17:56<deiz>right
17:56<deiz>give me a minute
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17:56<SynrG>the firmware for that isn't really needed, as the factoid says
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17:56<deiz>oh need to ask, will that brcm firmware be automatically loaded?
17:56<SynrG>those are slightly esoteric features
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17:56<SynrG>yes, it should be.
17:56<deiz>i hoped the tg3 would be irrelevant to me
17:56<deiz>right give me 5 mins
17:57<deiz>to reboot
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17:57<deiz>and untether myself
17:57<SynrG>but after installing the new kernel, of course, you need to reboot.
17:57<deiz>yep
17:57<deiz>5 mins
17:57<deiz>....
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18:00<Enigme>hi, is there any solution for pcsx2 on wheezy:amd64? multi-arch solution requires to remove a lot of packages..
18:00<deiz>back
18:01<SynrG>all went well?
18:01-!-kaen [~quassel@host-69-59-66-44.nctv.com] has joined #debian
18:01<deiz>well it booted with no hassles
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18:01<deiz>u saw how quick i came back
18:01<deiz>:)
18:01<deiz>now the acid test.... time
18:02<deiz>or i can check my dmesg
18:02<SynrG>any other issues, meanwhile?
18:02<SynrG>that, too
18:02<deiz>oh yes
18:02<deiz>there is one
18:02<deiz>brb need a wee
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18:02<SynrG>thanks ... er, for sharing that
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18:04<Matriplex>sad
18:04<Matriplex>asdasdasd
18:04<Matriplex>just testing
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18:05<deiz>righht
18:06<deiz>my other minor if not a bit annoying issue
18:06<deiz>sudo never works
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18:06<deiz>i gotta do 'sudo su -' to log in as sudo, and do my stuff as root
18:06<deiz>then log out
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18:11<deiz>?
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18:17<deiz>anyone here?
18:17<mtn>nope
18:18<DNS>no way
18:18<DNS>all sleeping
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18:18<DNS>so shhhhhhh
18:18<deiz>oops sorry
18:18<saturne>chuuut
18:18<deiz>SynrG must have nodded off whilst i went to toilet
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18:20<deiz>how do i get sudo to work?
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18:20<deiz>i gotta do sudo su - to log in as root, do my thing then log out
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18:21<mtn>deiz: man sudo is a good place to start
18:21<Enigme>hi, is there any solution for pcsx2 on wheezy:amd64? multi-arch solution requires to remove a lot of packages..
18:21<mtn>deiz: what is wrong with using su?
18:21<DNS>with sudo su you dont need to type root password
18:21<mtn>so?
18:22<DNS>and still logged in as root
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18:22<DNS>same as su only with your sudo password
18:22<deiz>oh sorry, i don't have root set up
18:22<DNS>hm ubuntu? :x
18:22<deiz>but sudo doesn't work
18:22<mtn>deiz: how can you install debian without root?
18:22<DNS>yes i wonder too
18:23<deiz>well maybe he is there, i passed the bit on the password and it said it would make me use sudo
18:23<deiz>but sudo itself needs me to log in a su
18:23<mtn>deiz: what version of debian is this?
18:23<deiz>wheezy
18:23<mtn>deiz: I didn't know you could install debian without root being setup. new one on me.
18:24*mtn thinks no root is a dumb idea, anyway
18:24<DNS>its not possible, deiz probably forgot the password?
18:24<deiz>u know in setup it asks for root password
18:24<DNS>yes
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18:25<deiz>it says, if u skip it root should be activated on a per use thing using the users password via sudo
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18:25<mtn>deiz: I have never seen that
18:25<DNS>uh never seen that as well
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18:25<mtn>deiz: I suggest you install real debian and do it correctly
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18:25<deiz>this is real debian
18:25<DNS>wait
18:26<deiz>root DOES exist tho
18:26<DNS>deiz just loginto bash with grub
18:26<deiz>ok
18:26<DNS>you know how?
18:26<deiz>oh no lol
18:26<deiz>with grub
18:26<abrotman>!enter
18:26<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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18:27<deiz>i can't do heavy linux stuff right now.
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18:29<DNS>deiz: ok but like that you can set root password, you can login into bash with root with placing init=/bin/bash in boot entry, and then in bash just type: passwrd
18:29<deiz>ahhh ok
18:29<DNS>*passwd
18:29<deiz>would sudo work ok then
18:29<DNS>then you should be able to set sudoers yes
18:30<deiz>it's pointless having sudo if i have to be su to use it
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18:31<deiz>i wanted to make it my /home and /var and /swap encrypted too, but grub wouldn't install if i did that
18:31<DNS>hm? try encfs maybe
18:32<deiz>can i do that post installation
18:32<deiz>?
18:32<DNS>deiz: btw https://wiki.debian.org/sudo
18:32<SynrG>and yes, that option for root has always been like that.
18:32<deiz>welcome SynrG
18:32<SynrG>back 3 or 4 releases at least
18:32<deiz>i think it's messed up a little
18:32<SynrG>btw, "sudo -i"
18:33<deiz>asked for my password
18:33<SynrG>that's what it's supposed to do.
18:33<deiz>and logged as root
18:33<SynrG>and?
18:33<SynrG>yes. that's the expected outcome.
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18:33<SynrG>you were expecting something else?
18:34<deiz>so what kind of safe thing can i try with sudo
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18:34<deiz>to test it without doing what i worked out to be 'sudo su -'
18:34<DNS>deiz: i.e. sudo aptitude update
18:35<deiz>i need to close the konsole and open a new one
18:35<SynrG>sudo head /var/log/dmesg
18:35<SynrG>that's read-only
18:36<deiz>interesting
18:36<deiz>so now it works?
18:36<abrotman>too many enter keys!!
18:36<SynrG>sorry
18:36<SynrG>abrotman
18:36<deiz>sorry
18:36<deiz>abrotman
18:37<SynrG>deiz: "now it works"? what didn't work before? i'm still confused :)
18:37<deiz>so one final thing... did i need to do 'sudo -i' to kind of set it up?
18:37<SynrG>no
18:37<deiz>i'm not sure now
18:37<deiz>thanks for pointing me in the right direction
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18:37<SynrG>it's just "sudo su" is somewhat redundant. "sudo -i" is more elegant
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18:38<deiz>oki doki, well SynrG, I must thank you for everything
18:38<deiz>so far so good with the connection
18:38<SynrG>we're declaring the kernel install a success, then?
18:39<deiz>so far yes
18:39<SynrG>yay :)
18:39<deiz>i'll be sure to report back
18:39<deiz>i need to sleeeeepppp
18:39<SynrG>:)
18:39<SynrG>you deserve a rest. good job
18:39<deiz>thanks.... over and out.
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19:15<lins>hola como estan
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19:15<lins>hola
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19:19<lins>hello a
19:19-!-deiz [~oftc-webi@138.253.187.10] has joined #debian
19:19<deiz>excellent news, i've just checked my dmesg and there are zero errors regarding the wifi
19:20<deiz>it was riddled with them before, i guess the new kernel fixed it nicely
19:20<lins>excellent news, i've just checked my dmesg and there are zero errors regarding the wifi
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19:20<abrotman>parrot bot?
19:20<deiz>lmao it seems so
19:21<deiz>anyway
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19:21<deiz>bed time now
19:21<lins>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
19:21<lins>QUE OSO
19:21<lins>ALGUIEN QUE HABLE ESPAÑOL
19:21<deiz>apologies for before abrotman
19:21<deiz>maybe me n synrg should have done it privately
19:22<abrotman>!es
19:22<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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19:22<deiz>exit
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19:22<DNS>lins: turn off caps lock better
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19:25<DNS>!help
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19:26<DNS>what kind of bot is dpkg, i mean which software?
19:26<SamB>!dpkg
19:26<dpkg>from memory, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
19:26<SamB>!dpkgbot
19:26<dpkg>Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>.
19:27<DNS>thx
19:27<abrotman>dpkg: tell SamB about bottell
19:28<lins>quiero hablar en español
19:28<DNS>lins: /join #debian-es
19:29<lins>hello good mordig}
19:29<SamB>abrotman: wasn't expecting the factoid to be so wordy ...
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19:30<SamB>and had momentarily forgotten that !dpkg would be about the program of that name
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19:31<SynrG>anyway, the moral of this story (regardless of factoid length) is to first msg the bot to see if you got the right factoid, then decide if triggering it in public aids the other helpers in letting them know what has been advised.
19:31<SynrG>if not, use !tell, otherwise, show in public
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19:32<abrotman>seriously :)
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19:41<Franco>hola hay alguien conectado con idea de Huayra, tengo un pequeño inconveniente. Gracias
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19:42<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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20:17<elimik>I am using aptitude in the CLI to upgrade my system. Whenever I do so, I get a long list of packages that are going to be installed. Is there anything that I can do so that each package is written in a new line?
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20:18<Guest5395>hi all
20:19<elimik>I mean that usually the package list is displayed all in one line and I don't like that...
20:19<elimik>hi
20:20<abrotman>elimik: not that I've seen ..
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20:27<abrotman>elimik: please keep it in the channel
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21:18<slmingol1>hi I have a question about the maximum size that a .deb file can be, can anyone assist?
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21:26<SynrG>slmingol1: other than any limit the filesystem it is on imposes, i don'tbknow of any limit.
21:27<slmingol1>OK, someone asked a Q on the Unix and LInux stackexchange site where they noticed that they would get a error message when attempting to install .deb files over 4GB
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21:28<abrotman>what why?
21:29<slmingol1>http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/100929/corrupt-debian-package-archives-on-self-made-database-packages
21:30<slmingol1>I'll be right back, need to reboot my laptop
21:30<slmingol1>sorry
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21:35<slmingol2>OK back sorry about that
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21:37<SynrG>maybe on a 32 bit system and the program doesn't have largefile support
21:38<SynrG>certainly nothing specific to the deb file format or ext# filesystems
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21:40<slmingol2>yeah the ext3/4 is a non-issue in my mind too. I suggested apt-config dump and to look through the various compression tools that are avail. to make sure they all support > 32bit
21:41<slmingol2>meant 64
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21:41<slmingol2>he's on 64 bit system
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21:42<SynrG>anyway, it's Ubuntu, so we don't support that. if you were to reproduce it on Debian, that would be a different matter …
21:44<slmingol2>ah crap, I missed he tagged it as ubuntu, the title says debian, sorry guys for wasting your time!
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22:04<lkthomas>hey guys, is it possible to purge all config file which the package already uninstalled ?
22:05<themill>dpkg: tell lkthomas about purge
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22:06<lkthomas>thanks
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22:15<lkthomas>/var/lib/dpkg/info/glance-common.prerm: 10: .: Can't open /usr/share/dbconfig-common/dpkg/prerm
22:15<lkthomas>I can't remove this package even I force it
22:15<lkthomas>any idea how to deal with this ?
22:15<abrotman>put bakc the file it wants
22:15<lkthomas>touch it you mean ?
22:16<themill>do you not have dbconfig-common installed?
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22:17<lkthomas>no, I am trying to start the whole packages installation again
22:18<lkthomas>I think dbconfig-common already removed
22:18<themill>which version of glance-common do you have there?
22:18<lkthomas>it doesn't mention version number
22:18<themill>wheezy? jessie?
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22:19<lkthomas>debian version is 7.2, grizzly-backports
22:20<themill>ahh... so these openstack packages are not from debian?
22:20<lkthomas>from gplhost
22:20<rjsalts>it would be better to use multiple user accounts if you're going to run multiple instances of mysql on the same host, wouldn't it?
22:22<themill>lkthomas: can you pastebin /var/lib/dpkg/info/glance-common.prerm for us?
22:22<lkthomas>http://pastebin.ca/2475727
22:23<themill>yeah, so that's bug in the gplhost packages -- the debian packages correctly catch that. Even though they have the same maintainer...
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22:23<lkthomas>hang on now
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22:24<lkthomas>debian have offical package ?!
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22:24<lkthomas>am I asking for trouble to use glphost one ?!
22:24<themill>not of that version of openstack for wheezy.
22:24<lkthomas>should I just edit that script and put exit 0 at the end ?
22:24<themill>at the top, yes
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22:26<lkthomas>done, all works
22:26<themill>The whole openstack things seems pretty illconceived to me ... a management framework that's so fast moving you only support it for 6 months doesn't sound like something you'd use in reality
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22:26<lkthomas>isn't that's a good thing?
22:26<lkthomas>fast moving = good :P
22:27<themill>except these are systems you want to deploy and then use for 5 or more years
22:27<lkthomas>OpenStack isn't that mature yet
22:27<lkthomas>in terms of time settlement
22:28<themill>quite
22:28<lkthomas>god damn virt-manager, still doesn't support snapshot ?!
22:28<themill>virsh does and newer virt-manager does
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22:28<lkthomas>"newer" = ?
22:29<themill>versions in jessie
22:29<lkthomas>what version of virt-manager are you talking about then
22:29<lkthomas>I am using 0.9.1
22:30<themill>I think it only works well for qcow2 disk images too
22:31<lkthomas>that sucks
22:31<themill>it's in either 0.9.5 or possibly later
22:31<themill>whichever release actually has e8531b1f405e075d76dc50f13dee41acee7147e0 in it...
22:31*lkthomas go to check
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22:33<SamB>themill: you can use git-describe to find out, I think
22:33<SamB>with a flag
22:33<themill>if I had a git checkout I probably could...
22:33<SamB>ah, yes, that does help rather
22:33<themill>working this out with cgit (or gitweb) is damned near impossible from what I can see
22:35<lkthomas>for virt-manager, I need to ask Ubuntu guy as my desktop is ubuntu
22:35<lkthomas>KVM server is debian
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22:35<themill>the patch to add snapshot support is newer than their latest release of virt-manager -- that probably answers that question ;)
22:36<lkthomas>"newer than" ?
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22:37<lkthomas>looks like I should try Ganeti
22:37<themill>That's what debian sysadmin team is using iirc
22:37<lkthomas>crap
22:37<lkthomas>let's use that then :P
22:37<lkthomas>virt-manager always give me an impression of redhat product
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22:38<lkthomas>themill: Ganeti support snapshot even on LVM right ?
22:38<themill>nfc
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22:38<lkthomas>huh
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23:10<OWNSuAll>I have two interfaces on my machine but it keeps select the wrong interface as the default route
23:10<OWNSuAll>How would i fix that?
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23:10<themill>"it" being what here?
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23:11<OWNSuAll>when I do the route command it selects the wlan0 devices
23:11<OWNSuAll>as the default gateway when I want it to use the dhcp assigned one over eth0
23:11<OWNSuAll>When I do ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0 it fixes itself and then I can access the web
23:11<lkthomas>themill: just tested virt-manager git version, snapshot on LVM is not available still
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23:13<themill>OWNSuAll: how do you configure your networking?
23:13<themill>lkthomas: yeah... not entirely surprising there
23:14<lkthomas>themill: I don't understand why on one concern about snapshot while this is a common feature
23:14<OWNSuAll>Right now it's router -(dhcp)> my machines eth0 then my machines hostapd -(dhcp)> my other machines
23:14<OWNSuAll>it keeps thinking that wlan0 that i use for hostapd is the default gateway
23:15<OWNSuAll>I want it to use eth0 for default gateway
23:15<themill>OWNSuAll: what is the "it" you are using to configure your networking?
23:15<OWNSuAll>the machine running debian
23:15<themill>OWNSuAll: network-manager? wicd? /etc/network/interfaces?
23:15<OWNSuAll>its just /etc/network/interfaces with eth0 set to dhcp
23:16<themill>and what's configuring the wlan?
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23:16<OWNSuAll>/etc/network/interfaces is also
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23:17<themill>OWNSuAll: sounds like you want to specify a "metric" there (man 5 interfaces)
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23:26<Tingle2>Hi, I got a question about maintaining processes, I have memcached, beanstald, php5-fpm, nginx and mysql started at boot, or manualy using /etc/init.d/... start - but what if one of them crash? Is there a way I can restart it if one dies, or does init.d scripts already take care of that?
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23:28<themill>init scripts don't; adopting a more modern alternative that does might make the world end, apparently
23:28<themill>you can just "service memcached restart" though
23:28<Tingle>mm yes
23:29<Tingle>but I must know if it died
23:29<Tingle>so I can restart it
23:29<Tingle>im new to linux/debian
23:29<themill>you can monitor (munin etc) or use a process supervisor like runit or daemontools for this
23:29<themill>Realistically, these things shouldn't be dying on you though.
23:29<Tingle>which one would you suggest?
23:30<themill>unless you have a specific problem with one of these crashing, I wouldn't worry about it
23:31<Tingle>I also have these shell scripts I would like to keep alive, and also start on boot. can I do that too?
23:31<Tingle>I need it for the shell script, but I thought why not do it on all web processes Im using
23:31<themill>daemontools is easy enough to use
23:32<Tingle>that keeps scripts alive?
23:32<themill>what do you mean by "keep alive"? why are they dying?
23:32<Tingle>dunno, might crash or somthing
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23:32<themill>might or does?
23:33<themill>fixing real problems is easier than imaginary ones ;)
23:33<Tingle>it doesnt and I hope it wont, but I want a process watcher to make sure it comes back if it goes down
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23:33<Tingle>its a beanstalkd script
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23:34<themill>generally it's better to fix the bug that makes it periodically crash rather than restart it and hope it doesn't happen again
23:34<themill>which is why we don't generally have (or for the most part need) process supervisors
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23:35<Tingle>my script crashes if beanstalkd isnt on for example
23:35<Tingle>so id want to restart it and beanstalkd
23:35<Tingle>but ill look into daemontools
23:35<themill>why isn't beanstalkd running?
23:35<Tingle>>.>
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23:36<Tingle>it is, but for a random reason anything can crash -_-
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23:36<themill>these things shouldn't ... might be worth finding out why
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23:36<Tingle>or you gonna tell me I can host my server and have everything run for years without me having to check if its still running
23:36<Tingle>:P
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23:38<themill>that's the general idea
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23:38<Tingle>hmm k
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23:38<Tingle>then how can I execute my shell script on boot after my other web processes have started?
23:38<themill>it's in /etc/init.d ?
23:39<Tingle>no, it isnt anywhere yet - currently executing it through the terminal
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23:39<themill>See /etc/init.d/skeleton for an init script to start it up and the LSB headers that control the sequence in which startup scripts are run
23:40<Tingle>didnt know I could create my own init.d
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23:42<Tingle>where is the lsb headers
23:43<themill>top of the init script
23:44<themill>!lsb tags
23:44<dpkg>From 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, Debian uses a dependency-based boot sequence (see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian). This requires all init scripts having appropriate headers, so that the correct order of execution can be determined. Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from Sarge and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts
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23:47<Tingle>hmm I see these Required-Start things
23:47<Tingle>can I tell it it requires beanstalkd to be running?
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23:48<OWNSuAll>themill, Yeah that worked, had to install ifmetric first though. Thanks
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23:51<Tingle>oh so I can just do Required-Start: beanstalkd
23:51<Tingle>and it will start after beanstalkd is running?
23:54<Tingle>why would I need a required-stop?
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23:54<Tingle>do I just leave that blank or delete the whole line?
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