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---Logopened Wed Nov 13 00:00:29 2013
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00:06<Tingle>themill, do init.d/ services start before or after /etc/fstab is run? because I have a mount in there that my script is dependent on
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00:09<Tingle>or someone else?
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00:34<Tingle>is this the way to pass arguments to a daemon when starting it?
00:34<Tingle>start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec $DAEMON -app $APPDIR Queue --quiet
00:34<Tingle>basicly the terminal command is $DAEMON -app $APPDIR Queue --quiet
00:35<Tingle>where $DAEMON is the file and $APPDIR a path argument it needs and --quiet is also a arg
00:36<Tingle>or would it be start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec $DAEMON -- "-app $APPDIR Queue --quiet" ?
00:38<Tingle>and do I need a pidfile?
00:39<dondelelcaro>Tingle: so that when it's time to stop the program, it can be sent appropriate signals
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00:40<Tingle>and which way do I do the arguments?
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00:42<Tingle>@dondelelcaro
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00:43<Tingle>and how do I know what pid id to give myself?
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00:48<rjsalts>Tingle: the kernel gives you the next pid in sequence from the previous process created, it just matters that you're talking to the correct one
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00:48<Tingle>so I dont need a pidfile?
00:49<rjsalts>Tingle: I think they're a poor solution for figuring out which process to kill when you want to shut down a service
00:50<SamB>rjsalts: well better than *guessing* the PID
00:50<Tingle>mmm
00:51<Tingle>Im confused
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00:51<rjsalts>sure, but if I am running software that doesn't come with an init script I'll usually put in into runit
00:51<Tingle>I use start-stop-daemon --stop to stop
00:51<Tingle>is this even correct
00:51<Tingle>start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec $DAEMON -- "-app $APPDIR Queue --quiet"
00:51<Tingle>and start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet
00:52<Tingle>or do I need to mix a pid in there somehow
00:52<rjsalts>Tingle: Note: unless --pidfile is specified, start-stop-daemon behaves similar to killall(1)
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00:52<Tingle>which does what
00:53<rjsalts>Tingle: so if there are any other processes with the same name as $DAEMON they'll get sent the same signal, and probably terminated
00:53<Tingle>ah
00:53<Tingle>ok
00:54<Tingle>but Im only going to have it run once
00:54<Tingle>and how do I check if the process is already running?
00:54<rjsalts>so it probably won't matter too much, pgrep or some variant
00:54<Tingle>k
00:54<Tingle>and my start command
00:54<Tingle>is that correct with the arguments at the end for the daemon?
00:54<rjsalts>man start-stop-daemon
00:55<Tingle>start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec $DAEMON -- "-app $APPDIR Queue --quiet"
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00:55<rjsalts>it seems sane
00:55<Tingle>ok
00:55<Tingle>ty
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00:57<Tingle>rjsalts, if I do start twice, will it start twice or tell me its already running?
00:58<Tingle>im looking inside the memcached init.d but it doesnt have that already running error message that is shown when you try to start it again
00:59<rjsalts>man start-stop-daemon says: Check for the existence of a specified process. If such a process exists, start-stop-daemon does nothing, and exits with error status 1 (0 if --oknodo is specified).
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01:00<Tingle>didnt understand that
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01:00<Tingle>I should check for the existance or start-stop-daemon automaticly checks?
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01:00<rjsalts>if there is a process called $DAEMON then start-stop-daemon --start will exit 1 without doing anything if there is already a process called $DAEMON running
01:01<Tingle>ah ok
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01:09<Tingle>rjsalts: Ok I think im done, can you tell me if this looks ok? http://hastebin.com/vavibodebu.bash
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01:14<Tingle>mm can I somehow reload the init.d files or something? because when I try to execute it, it says command not found
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01:16<rjsalts>Tingle: looks like it will run as root, you sure that's a good idea? and start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet is going to know which process to match how?
01:16<Tingle>i dont know
01:16<Tingle>:/
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01:17<Tingle>do I need to add something?
01:18<rjsalts>Tingle: as I said, have a look at the man page. I think you'll want --exec $DAEMON in the stop as well
01:18<Tingle>oh ok
01:18<Tingle>can I load the file somehow without having to restart the server?
01:20<Tingle>keeps telling me command not found
01:20<Tingle>with sudo
01:20<Tingle>and if I login as root is says permission denied
01:20<rjsalts>put a -t, --test at the end of your start-stop-daemon commands?
01:20<Tingle>for what?
01:20<rjsalts>it'll tell you what things will happen without running anything
01:21<Tingle>so start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec $DAEMON -- "-app $APPDIR Queue --quiet" -t, --test
01:21<rjsalts>one or the other
01:21<rjsalts>and put it before the --
01:22<rjsalts>start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec $DAEMON -t -- "-app $APPDIR Queue --quiet"
01:22<Tingle>ok got it
01:22<Tingle>and how can I run the script now?
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01:22<Tingle>if I do "sudo /etc/init.d/cakeshell-queue start", tell sme command not found
01:22<Tingle>it tells me*
01:22<rjsalts>/path/to/script start|stop|status|restart|force-reload
01:23<Tingle>mm yes, but I think I need to reload the init.d folder or something?
01:23<rjsalts>Tingle: nope
01:23<Tingle>hmm
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01:23<Tingle>the file is /etc/init.d/cakeshell-queue
01:23<rjsalts>Tingle: try sudo bash -x /etc/init.d/cakeshell-queue start
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01:24<Tingle>that worked
01:24<Tingle>why
01:24<Tingle>I dont have to do bash -x on others
01:25<rjsalts>Tingle: it'll probably be something to do with the path
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01:25<rjsalts>Tingle: actually, try sudo sh -x, bash might not be your system shell
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01:26<Tingle>im using debian wheezy
01:26<Tingle>both sh and bash work
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01:27<rjsalts>Tingle: sure, but they might not be the same program if you're using ash in /bin/sh
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01:27<Tingle>o.O
01:27<Tingle>hmm when running it at the end it tells me: /etc/init.d/cakeshell-queue: 29: /etc/init.d/cakeshell-queue: start-stop-daemon: not found
01:29<Tingle>could it be that I cant use mounted paths
01:29<rjsalts>Tingle: which start-stop-daemon
01:29<Tingle>I only have one
01:30<Tingle>with --start
01:30<jm_>which is a command
01:30<Tingle>start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec $DAEMON --test -- "-app $APPDIR Queue --quiet"
01:30<Tingle>is line 29
01:30<rjsalts>is it in your $PATH?
01:30<rjsalts>Tingle: hence sudo which start-stop-daemon
01:31<Tingle>PATH=/usr/share/nginx/twotax.com/app/Console
01:31<Tingle>DAEMON=/usr/share/nginx/twotax.com/app/Console/cake
01:31<Tingle>that exists
01:31<jm_>great way to set the PATH :)
01:31<rjsalts>oh, yeah, that would do it ;)
01:32<Tingle>what
01:32<Tingle>whats wrong
01:32<Tingle>:O
01:32<jm_>compare to sudo echo $PATH
01:32<rjsalts>programs will only be searched for in your PATH, you've changed it to /usr/share/nginx/twotax.com/app/Console, so unless start-stop-daemon is in that directory it won't be able to run it
01:33<jm_>($PATH needs quoting in that sudo command ...)
01:34<Tingle>it echos: /usr/share/nginx/twotax.com/app/Console
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01:35<Tingle>what is wrong, you guys seem to know :P?
01:35<jm_>PATH=$PATH:/usr/share/nginx/twotax.com/app/Console
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01:36<Tingle>now the error is gone
01:36<Tingle>:D
01:37<Tingle>but still, why wont "sudo /etc/init.d/cakeshell-queue start" work in the terminal?
01:37<Tingle>it says command not found
01:37<SamB>jm_: you mean "sudo sh -c 'echo $PATH'" ?
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01:37<Tingle>I can do sudo /etc/init.d/nginx start for example and that works
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01:37<jm_>SamB: that would be one way to do it yes
01:38<SamB>because it's no good escaping it if there's not a shell to actually interpret it after ...
01:39<Tingle>and if I execute it as root, it tells me permission denied lol
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01:40<Tingle>yeah even in console
01:40<Tingle>eh terminal 1
01:40<Tingle>if I to /etc/init.d/cakeshell-queue it tells me: -bash: /etc/init.d/cakeshell-queue: Permission denied
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01:42<jm_>sounds like an obvious error
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01:43<rjsalts>Tingle: have you done chmod +x /etc/init.d/cakeshell-queue?
01:43<Tingle>mm no
01:44<Tingle>now it works
01:44<Tingle>had to tick allow run as program
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01:45<Tingle>mm guess my params are wrong
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01:49<Tingle>the spaces are missing
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01:49<Tingle>had to remove the ""
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01:51<Tingle>thanks for the help, seems to be working now
01:51<koavf>Hi all. Pretty ignorant about FOSS software at the operating system level but I've been using Firefox/Thunderbird/etc. for years. I want to install IceDove on Windows 8 but I don't know which architecture I have...
01:51<koavf>http://packages.debian.org/sid/icedove
01:51<koavf>Can anyone tell me which one is the right download for me?
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01:53<rjsalts>koavf: icedove is thunderbird, with the name changed to honour mozilla's trademark
01:53<koavf>Right.
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01:53<koavf>Part of the Ice: Ape/Weasel/Owl rebranding.
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01:53<koavf>I'd like to have a second e-mail client on my machine for a separate account.
01:53<rjsalts>koavf: ∴ there is no icedove for windows
01:53<koavf>Ah.
01:53<koavf>Sorry then.
01:54<koavf>I appreciate you taking the time.
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01:57<Tingle>hmm weird, when I do start now on it, the script stays open on the terminal
01:57<Tingle>I have to ctrl+c to get out
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02:02<Tingle>hmm my daemon has a main loop inside it, is that why?
02:02<Tingle>cant I start the process without it hooking up the terminal?
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02:06<jm_>Tingle: read about --background in the man page
02:06<jm_>in fact why don't you read the man page in full?
02:10<Tingle>where ios it
02:10<rjsalts>man start-stop-daemon
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03:32<Tingle>why when i start-stop-daemon --start with --background, the process doest star or shup up in the process list?
03:33<Tingle>*start, *show up
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04:32<nullbyte_>kvirc and xfce?
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04:38<wotax>i did something stupid... I added the unstable repo to my sources.list and installed liballegro5-dev, but apt changed a lot of packages. Can I somehow revert the changes?
04:38<aerth>reinstall debian fresh :) worked for me
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04:39<aerth>have you checked apt logs
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04:40<wotax>there's a list of the packages that have been installed/changed(?) and a list of packages that should be removed
04:41<wotax>in /var/log/apt/history.log
04:41<wotax>I tried to remove unstable from sources again and update... but (surprisingly) it doesnt work
04:42<wotax>maybe a fresh installation is really the right thing to do
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04:50<jm_>you'll need to reinstall that back manually
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05:19<wotax>I wrote a /etc/apt/preferences with stable higher than unstable and now it looks much better but I still have trouble with dependencies
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05:19<Stummi>wotax, don't mix stable and unstable
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05:19<wotax>I think this is what happend... right?
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05:20<Stummi>yes. You can try to go back with pinning stable to something above 1000
05:20<Stummi>then it will be downgraded by apt
05:20<wotax>yes I already tried this
05:21<wotax>and it downgraded a lot of packages
05:21<wotax>but nautilus still wont work
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05:21<Stummi>okay. Use the conflict resolver from aptitude re resolve the last conflicts
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05:21<wotax>ah ok
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05:23<Stummi>maybe its good to remove all your non-stable repositories from the sources.list before. Then you avoid accidantly installing new packages from there while resolving
05:23<Stummi>and remaining new packages from there will be marked obsolete in aptitude then
05:24<dupin>I can not login as regualar uset and I looked in fstab and home partition is there
05:24<dupin>I know my username and password
05:24<Stummi>caps lock? keyboard layout problem?
05:25<dupin>no caps lock
05:26<dupin>no layout problem because I pick password not to have that kind of problem
05:26<Stummi>what exactly is the message when you try to login?
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05:27<dupin>no message it look like it is trying to login and then get back to login screen
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05:31<Stummi>maybe a broken or disabled login shell?
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05:31<Stummi>can you login as root and "su -l username" then?
05:32<wotax>I did the conflict resolution and now nautilus works again. Thank you very much Stummi!
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05:35<Tingle>can someone maybe tell me what is wrong with my syntax in my shell script here? http://hastebin.com/toviqumaso.bash
05:36<weasel>missing spaces around [ and ],
05:36<weasel>extra ] in line 3
05:36<weasel>(missing quoting of variables)
05:37<dupin>Stummi, yes I can login as a root
05:38<Tingle>ah awsome, thanks
05:38<Stummi>dupin, and can you switch to your user with "su -l username" than?
05:38<dupin>Stummi, let me try
05:38<Stummi>if not, its a problem with your login shell, if yes, its a problem with your login
05:39<dupin>yes I can switch user that way
05:39<Stummi>than its probably a problem with your login
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05:39<dupin>what do you want to tell me
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05:40<Stummi>dupin, I would guess its the wrong password
05:40<Stummi>change it another time with "passwd username" as root
05:40<Stummi>and try again to login
05:40<dupin>Stummi, I use that password for a long time so it is very unlikely i forgot it
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05:41<dupin>just a sec
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05:43<Tingle>hmm and is there anything wrong about this syntax: http://hastebin.com/wamajuseti.bash - its reading the number in there, but Iget this error: /etc/init.d/cakeshell-queue: 22: /etc/init.d/cakeshell-queue: =3190: not found
05:44<babilen>Tingle: Are you, by chance, rather looking for #bash on irc.freenode.net ?
05:44<Tingle>oh
05:44<Tingle>ok
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06:16<Tingle>im trying to create a lsbinitscript, a /etc/init.d/ file - this is my header http://hastebin.com/jumiqalufu.vala - but something strange is going on, when using sysv-rc-conf to check it out, I have 2 entries with the same name and no runlevels are checked. What did I do wrong or is there something else I need to do?
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06:22<veindrain>hey guys just wanted to ask for directions. i installed fglrx-driver following the wiki it seems it has installed correctly by looking in the syslog during reboots. but fglrx-control doesn't seem to work. is it because i'm using vnc to connect to the box?
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06:26<Maulkin>What do you mean it doesn't work?
06:26<Maulkin>What error messages do you get?
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06:27<Tingle>Ok I figured out one part, I had to do update-rc.d cakeshell-queue defaults to have it use the settings in the file, but still - I have a second identical entry, and it wont go away even if I use update-rc.d remove
06:28<veindrain>There was a problem initializing Catalyst Control Center Linux edition. It could be caused by the following.No AMD graphics driver is installed, or the AMD driver is not functioning properly. Please install the AMD driver appropriate for you AMD hardware, or configure using aticonfig.
06:28<Maulkin>Tingle: Anything else in /etc/init.d/* which mentions cakeshell?
06:29<Tingle>nope, just one file
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06:30<Maulkin>Tingle: Looks like sysv-rc-conf is essentially unmaintained. Have a look in /etc/rc*.d/ - see if there's a duplicate symlink in there
06:31<Maulkin>veindrain: What happens when you run aticonfig?
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06:31<veindrain>Maulkin: aticonfig without any arguments returns the help text
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06:32<Maulkin>veindrain: And what card are you running this on?
06:32<veindrain>Maulkin: actually returns Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyUsage: aticonfig [OPTION] .. + helptext
06:33<veindrain>Maulkin: but nvm i guess thats the argument error
06:33<veindrain>its a 5450
06:33<Tingle>nope, nothing in there
06:33<Tingle>gonna restart the system
06:33<Tingle>see if it goes away
06:34<veindrain>Maulkin: i can post the lspci line of my card
06:34<Maulkin>veindrain: please
06:34<Tingle>nope, after restart the 2 entries are still in sysv runlevel config
06:34<Maulkin>veindrain: I suspect the problem is that you're using the proprietary drivers, is there a reason you can't use the in-kernel ones?
06:35<Tingle>no mention of my file in a rc*.d folder
06:35<veindrain>Maulkin: VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Cedar PRO [Radeon HD 5450/6350] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
06:35<Tingle>and I removed the file out of the init.d as well
06:35<Tingle>but it still shows up >.>
06:35<Maulkin>Tingle: What's the file name?
06:36<Tingle>cakeshell-queue
06:36<Maulkin>Can you run "find /etc/rc*.d/ -name *cakeshell-queue*" and pastebin the result?
06:37<Tingle>nothing
06:37<Tingle>there are no runlevels checked in the sysv-rc-conf
06:37<Maulkin>Tingle: So, it looks like it's not installed
06:38<Maulkin>Tingle: Yeah, I would ignore sysv-rc-conf
06:38<Tingle>but there are 2 entries in the list
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06:38<Maulkin>Tingle: sysv-rc-conf seems to be very outdated.
06:38<Tingle>is there something more up to date?
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06:39<Maulkin>Tingle: What version of debian are you running?
06:40<Tingle>wheezy
06:40<Tingle>7
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06:41<Maulkin>veindrain: Can you try with the free driver? The ATI one isn't supported by Debian, so I don't really know what it's doing
06:42<veindrain>Maulkin: my reason for using the ati one is because i want control over speeds through ccc
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06:43<Maulkin>Tingle: Any errors produced (when you capture them with sysv-rc-conf 2> err.out"
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06:43<Maulkin>veindrain: Speeds?
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06:44<veindrain>Maulkin: fan and speed control inside the catalyst control center
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06:45<jm_>veindrain: invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 means it can't connect to X server
06:45<master-che>jh
06:45<veindrain>Maulkin: exactly
06:45<master-che>hello !
06:45<Maulkin>jm_: Good catch :)
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06:46<veindrain>Maulkin: doinbg fglrxinfo gives me display: :1.0 screen: 0
06:47<veindrain>Maulkin: and from my understanding i need display:0
06:47<Maulkin>veindrain: So, what it looks like the problems is indeed that you're connecting via vnc - and it needs a proper display to run
06:48<Tingle>what kind of tool would you suggest for restarting services that have died?
06:48<veindrain>Maulkin: and vnc4server is supposed to have a libvnc.so that i can load in xorg or is it xvnc4server ???
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06:48<Maulkin>Tingle: depends on the service - is it something that's designed to run in the background, and you want it *always* running?
06:49<Maulkin>If so, I'd personally shove it in inittab
06:49<Tingle>things like nginx, memcache, php, mysql etc
06:49<Tingle>beanstald
06:49<Tingle>and my shells
06:49<Maulkin>Tingle: I'd put that in /etc/init.d/* and use update-rc.d to ensure the symlinks are in place
06:49<Tingle>they are
06:50<Tingle>they start when the system starts
06:50<Tingle>but shouldnt I use a supervisor of some sort
06:50<Tingle>Id feel safer if I did
06:51<Tingle>I realy dont ever want to have to go look if the webserver is still running fine
06:51<Maulkin>Tingle: Not really, unless you're particularly afraid of your own daemons.
06:52<Tingle>I want to set it up and let it just run for years
06:52<Maulkin>Tingle: Well, it could be run from inittab - though the vast majority of the internet don't do that.
06:52<Maulkin>My sever is running fine for years, and I just run it.
06:52<Tingle>if the server restarts thats fine because of the init.d/ entries - but if something dies I want it to revive dead services
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06:53<Maulkin>Tingle: I'd personally be more concerned about finding out why it died.
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06:54<Tingle>why is it a uncommon/bad idea to have a service supervisor running o.O?
06:54<Tingle>thats like free maintainability
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06:54<Tingle>eh free maintanence
06:54<Tingle>why say no to that :P?
06:54<Maulkin>Tingle: If apache died for me, I'd want to know why.
06:54<Maulkin>(not that it ever has)
06:55<Tingle>hmm well what are the cons?
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06:57<Maulkin>Tingle: Well, assume that it's crashing on startup - the supervisor would constantly respawn it. Again - if you want this functionality, use inittab (man inittab)
06:57<Maulkin>But then you don't get sysvinit
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06:57<Maulkin>You could also look at alternate init systems
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07:00<bibliotecapatagones>alguien me puede ayudar, no puedo ingresar clave de administrador para poder actualizar
07:00<bibliotecapatagones>programas
07:00<Tingle>what is sysvinit
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07:01<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
07:01<Tingle>hmm actualy nvm, nobody seems to do this, do they - they just let it run
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07:02<Tingle>I might write a process watcher that can be viewed in html to see the server "health" or something
07:02<Tingle>then I dont have to log into the server
07:02<stdspace>Tingle: I'm pretty sure that exists already.
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07:21<nocturnal>anyone know if debian 7 will work with Intel Ivy Bridge and mSATA disks?
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07:22<jm_>should be just fine - msata is just a different connector isn't it?
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07:22<nocturnal>yes that's what I assume, but the whole concept is new to me
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07:22<nocturnal>I just found out that my thinkpad has mSATA
07:22<nocturnal>so I plan on putting in an mSATA disk alongside my HDD
07:23<jm_>you will be fine
07:23<nocturnal>=)
07:23<veindrain>nocturnal: does it have a cdrom?
07:23<nocturnal>no
07:23<nocturnal>Lenovo thinkpad edge e330
07:23<nocturnal>works well in wheezy
07:24<veindrain>nocturnal: do u own a usb cdrom at least?
07:24<nocturnal>no
07:24<nocturnal>I install over PXE
07:24<babilen>nocturnal: shouldn't be problematic at all -- Look into bcache if you are interested in that.
07:24<veindrain>maybe theres a live image for usb
07:24<babilen>dpkg: u
07:24<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
07:24<babilen>veindrain: ^^^
07:25<veindrain>lawl
07:26<veindrain>if YOU can boot with a live image and do an lspci just to be sure would be cool
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07:27<nocturnal>the laptop is closed at home now so I can't login to it.
07:27<nocturnal>but at the moment there's an Ericsson 3G adapter connected to where the mSATA goes
07:27<nocturnal>and that works in Wheezy
07:27<nocturnal>so I'll just take that out, and connect the mSATA
07:27<veindrain>oh you already installed wheezy on the normal drive?
07:27<nocturnal>yes
07:27<veindrain>ok then
07:27<nocturnal>works very well
07:28<veindrain>you are good to go :)
07:28<nocturnal>to my dismay I found that the laptop only takes 5mm drives. so I couldn't fit my old SSD into it
07:28<nocturnal>hence the discovery of mSATA
07:28<nocturnal>so babilen suggest using the mSATA for cache, but I was actually thinking of booting my system off it
07:28<nocturnal>120G
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07:30<jm_>yeah I would recommend that too, but keep some of the space on it unallocated
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07:31<nocturnal>you would recommend bcache?
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07:31<babilen>nocturnal: Sure, that is also an option. Note that I didn't recommend bcache, but merely to take a look at it. It makes sense to have specific data on ssd and "anything-but-user-data" comes do mind.
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07:32<nocturnal>thanks =)
07:33<babilen>I have no experience with bcache and luckily my laptop (t420) accepted my OCZ-VERTEX4
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07:44<SreK>Hi i need help with terminal thing
07:44<SreK>i have a textfile with lines look like this
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07:44<SreK>-kalle-
07:44<SreK>-nisse-
07:45<SreK>-tomten-
07:45<SreK>any commnd to cut out the - in front and back
07:45<jm_>many
07:45<SreK>i simple one
07:45<SreK>( :
07:46<SreK>any one you can share
07:47<jm_>sed, tr, awk, perl ...
07:49<Stummi>bash
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07:50<Stummi>while read line; do line=${line##-}; line=${line%%-}; echo $line; done < file
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07:53<veindrain>Maulkin: it was a vnc problem after all. ccc works perfect when you run locally
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08:44<cse32542>?
08:45<Stummi>!
08:46<cse32542>wut
08:47<babilen>cse32542: Can we help with anything?
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08:57<kaen>I'm on a fresh install of Jessie, and I tried to submit a bug via reportbug but it doesn't appear to have sent (no confirmation, doesn't show up on the tracker). Is there some configuration I have to do?
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09:02<Moi>Hello
09:02<Moi>is there anybody here ?
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09:03<babilen>Guest5459: There are 636 people in this channel, do you have a Debian related question?
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09:08<Xylon>iceweasel icon is too similar to emacs icon!
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09:31<code>rirc.atw-inter.net
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09:39<ainx>hi people
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09:40<Maulkin>!ask
09:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:41<ainx>dpkg -i *deb :p
09:41<dpkg>package *deb :p is already installed
09:41<ainx>lol
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09:42<ainx>apt-get already exist?
09:43<Maulkin>ainx: I don't know what you want. Do you have a Debian problem?
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09:44<ainx>nope, i just have install debian squeeze
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09:44<ainx>i'm beginer
09:45<ainx>sorry :)
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09:48<natm>hi folks. i am running a laptop with with virtual machines on it. i have a virtual bridge constructed in /etc/network/interfaces. this gives my guests access when i'm connected via eth0, but it doesn't seem to work when i'm connected via wlan0. is that something i change with the virbr0?
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09:49<natm>the guest sees my machine as a gateway, but the packets just aren't going through.
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09:51*natm has to go afk for a while... but would love to hear any pointers if folks have them.
09:52<benvei>natm: can you nopaste your interfaces?
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09:53<natm>benvei: sure.
09:54<natm>...umm actually that may have to wait until i change locations to somewhere where i have a wired connection available. like my office.
09:55<natm>(the issue is that i do browsing on the vms as part of an experiment in privilege separation)
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10:02<blast007>ainx: if you did a new install, why wouldn't you use the current stable version? :) squeeze is the old version now.
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10:14<ainx>blast007 : i just use old computer
10:14<blast007>and?
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10:15<blast007>if the issue was that Gnome3 from Wheezy didn't work well on your system, you could have picked a different desktop environment at the initial install screen (in the advanced menu)
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10:16<kumararasa>sir how to install compactheader addon in icedove mail client
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10:17<Maulkin>kumararasa: install xul-ext-compactheader
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10:17<deiz>got a question
10:18<kumararasa>maulkin:where i want to download
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10:18<Maulkin>kumararasa: run it in your package manager.
10:18<Maulkin>kumararasa: What version of Debian are you running?
10:18<Maulkin>!ask
10:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:19<deiz>i made the upgrade to jessie
10:19<kumararasa>maulkin: indian version of bosslinux
10:19<babilen>deiz: Why? Didn't the kernel upgrade sort you out? Why did you decide to track a development version of Debian?
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10:19<deiz>it kind of stopped half way, and it rebooted up fine, and then i couldn't install new software cos i had to do dpkg --configure -a and now it seems to be finishing where it left off, is this normal?
10:20<babilen>deiz: Show us on http://paste.debian.net, but please answer my questions too :)
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10:20<babilen>deiz: btw, testing and unstable are specifically supported in #debian-next on this network
10:20<deiz>ohh ok
10:20<babilen>dpkg: tell kumararasa -about bosslinux
10:20<Maulkin>kumararasa: Then that's not Debian.
10:20<deiz>well yes it worked
10:21<deiz>i just wanted to upgrade
10:21<deiz>and it seems to have done it's stuff
10:21<babilen>dpkg: tell deiz -about enter
10:21<curvv>hi i have debian wheezy based (whonix) guest on virtual box. i don't want to install guest_additions. how can i set aspect ratio to 16:10 in xorg.conf? I managed to change resolution like so: http://pastebin.com/Pv3PmEz5 but not sure about aspect ratio.
10:21<petn-randall>kumararasa: BOSS might be based on Debian, but it's not Debian and is thus not supported by us for a number of social and technical reasons.
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10:22<babilen>curvv: We do not support distributions that are based on Debian here. Try either their own support channel or ##linux on irc.freenode.net
10:22<deiz>babilen: sorry
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10:22<kumararasa>thank you sir
10:22<babilen>deiz: No problem, it just makes it hard to follow you and our society invented punctuation for a reason ;)
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10:22<curvv>ok thanks
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10:47<stdspace>Tingle: I'm pretty sure that exists already.
10:47<stdspace>D'oh...
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10:48<petn-randall>stdspace: Reading the backlog from 10 hours ago? :)
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10:48<stdspace>No, I wrote that myself 10 hours ago. I was just "arrow up enter" before I noticed I was in the wrong window.
10:49<petn-randall>stdspace: Atleast you didn't do "ls -al" here :)
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10:50<stdspace>You should all feel lucky you don't see the output of my ls's...
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10:53<stdspace>I better go home from work, before I do an "ls" in here...
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11:05<patrick>hello
11:05<Maulkin>Can we help?
11:05<patrick>Is it worth to install elementary os?
11:05<Maulkin>patrick: No idea - we would suggest installing Debian
11:06<babilen>patrick: This is #debian and we therefore recommend to install Debian :)
11:06<babilen>dpkg: tell patrick -about install debian
11:06<patrick>cool
11:07<@Ganneff>2,0,
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11:38<sasha>I've installed xbmc a few times on wheezy with out a problem, but this time, I'm not sure what I did different, but xbmc is not installable, xbmc : Depends: xbmc-bin (>= 4:12.2-dmo4) but it is not going to be installed
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11:39<yang>sasha: did you try to install xbmc-bin too ?
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11:39<sasha>yang, oh yeah, hehe, why didn't I try that, 1 sec
11:40<sasha>xbmc-bin : Depends: libavfilter3 (>= 8:1.0.0) but it is not going to be installed
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11:40<sasha>maybe if I remove mplayer eh
11:41<sasha>nope, same thing
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11:42<sasha>yang, yep, I think that's all I had to do, chase down the dependencies. But it seems to remove gimp, which I like to use sometimes
11:44<sasha>yang, ok, its installed, thx for your help
11:44<scientes>anyone else have gnome-shell draw the cursor where it isn't
11:44<yang>you're welcome
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11:45<nocturnal>does wheezy install do some sort of check for ssd and change the io scheduler accordingly? just wondering because my last wheezy install on an mSATA had the scheduler set to noop by default when I thought cfq was usually the default.
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12:02<blast007>sasha: we'd need some more information to track down package installation issues
12:02<blast007>!bat
12:02<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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12:11<emmaus>tout le monde ici habite Emmaus?
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13:00<valdyn>curvv: the ratio per pixel should probably be 1 by default and physically. Is there any other ratio that matters?
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13:10<curvv>valdyn: not sure what you mean... i want 16:10 but default is at 4:3
13:10<curvv>talking about monitor aspect ratio..as in relation between x and y size of monitor
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13:24<natm>hi folks. following up on something i asked a few hours ago, i am running a laptop with with virtual machines on it. i have a virtual bridge constructed in /etc/network/interfaces. this gives my guests access when i'm connected via eth0, but it doesn't seem to work when i'm connected via wlan0. is that something i change with the virbr0?
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13:27<SynrG>natm: i don't know how it works with other virtualization technologies, but certainly with virtualbox i have to rebuild my bridge with wlan0 instead of eth0 in it when i switch, yes.
13:27<natm>here is my interfaces file https://paste.debian.net/65666/
13:27<SynrG>all that is done without touching /e/n/i though
13:28<natm>okay. do i just have restart the bridge interface?
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13:28<SynrG>maybe? i don't know how it knew to include eth0 in the first place, since it makes no reference to it in your virbr0 stanza
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13:29<natm>SynrG: yeah, that's the part i can't figure out.
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13:32<Guest5478>hi i try to isntall the privative driver of ati in debian testing, and dont install good..
13:32<Guest5478>http://pastebin.com/XTcUnKjZ
13:33<Guest5478>someone that install ATI on debian?
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13:35<SynrG>Guest5478: hm. does that leave a log of the failure in the build dir?
13:35<SynrG>Guest5478: is your debian testing system otherwise completely up-to-date?
13:37<Guest5478>SynrG, i am not sure that its up to date
13:37<Guest5478>i did a upgrade and nothing update so i supposed yes
13:37<Guest5478>now i am change the xorg.conf
13:37<SynrG>that won't affect compliation
13:37<Guest5478>on driver i write radeon
13:37<SynrG>compilation*
13:38<SynrG>what you have here is a compile failure
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13:38<Guest5478>was fglrx before
13:38<SynrG>cd /var/lib/dkms/fglrx/12.104/build; sh make.sh --nohints --uname_r=3.10-3-amd64 --norootcheck....(bad exit status: 1)
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13:38<SynrG>but what we don't see is the output of "sh make.sh"
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13:38<SynrG>i mean, "sh -x make.sh" might help
13:38<Guest5478>its the output of the .run of ATI
13:39<SynrG>uhh
13:39<Guest5478>whait a min i am goin to swith off the X
13:39<SynrG>i thought this was the *debian* provided package of fglrx ...
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13:39<SynrG>if not, it is definitely not supported here.
13:39<SynrG>!fglrx
13:39<dpkg>fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD/ATI Radeon HD and FirePro graphic processing units. As of fglrx-driver 1:12-6~beta-1, R600 and R700 based GPUs (Radeon HD 2000/3000/4000 series) are no longer supported; ask me about <fglrx legacy> or use the <radeon> driver for device support. To install fglrx, see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary or ask me about <fglrx dkms>.
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13:42<Argure>hi, I'm having some issues with jackd
13:42<Argure>I selected hw:3 as interface - which is an external USB audio interface
13:43<Argure>which works with ALSA without any issues
13:43<Argure>but jackd somehow decides it should use my laptop's onboard audio instead (hw:0)
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13:44<maverick_>ok
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13:44<maverick_>i dont care what driver use
13:44<maverick_>i wanna my ati runing
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13:44<maverick_>what can i do?
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13:45<maverick_>i am guest5478
13:45<blast007>!tell maverick_ about fglrx
13:45<maverick_>all the tutos taht i found on internet dont work!
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13:48<maverick_>that its my ATI
13:48<maverick_>root@Maverick:/home/maverick# lspci | grep VGA
13:48<maverick_>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Thames [Radeon 7550M/7570M/7650M]
13:49<maverick_>i had this packet before xserver-xorg-video-radeon, but i haven got aceleration 3D
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14:00<valdyn>curvv: what you want makes no sense to me, when it does not match a physical monitor
14:00<valdyn>curvv: some graphics drivers can scale up, some monitors can scale up by themselves
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14:01<SamB>ISTR that there were once monitors that were flexible as to the size of a pixel
14:01<valdyn>curvv: but pixel ratios different to 1 are not well supported by X apps afaict
14:02<SamB>valdyn: probably by most types of apps, in fact
14:02<valdyn>naturally multisync crt monitors all supported pixel sizes different from 1
14:02<valdyn>s/sizes/ratios
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14:04*SamB rather misses that about CRTs
14:04<valdyn>curvv: *my* monitor will mess with whatever the nvidia drivers try to scale the image
14:05<roberto>Hello i have install debian and KDE. but in web iceweasel i missing font and in Libtyoffice to
14:06<valdyn>curvv: you can specifiy a physical screen size in your xorg.conf and X itself does support about any pixel ratio following from that - but programs do not
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14:07<roberto>new X downt use a xorg.conf
14:07<valdyn>roberto: you mean it does not *need* xorg.conf, but it can use it
14:07<roberto>but i dont have install the font
14:08<valdyn>roberto: we dont know *which* font you are missing
14:08<valdyn>roberto: *many* sites reqiuio
14:08<valdyn>roberto: *many* sites require microsoft fonts, maybe you mean that
14:08<roberto>i missing fonts for websurfing
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14:09<valdyn>!mscorefonts
14:09<dpkg>ttf-mscorefonts-installer (previously msttcorefonts) is a <contrib> package which installs the last distributable versions of Microsoft's "TrueType core fonts for the Web" (Times New Roman, Arial, Courier New, Trebuchet, Andale, Verdana, Impact, Georgia, Comic Sans, Webdings). An Internet connection is required for downloading these fonts if not locally available. See also <liberation>.
14:09<valdyn>roberto: ^^
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14:09<valdyn>roberto: im just guessing, youre information is about useless
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14:11<roberto>i need the name from the font packet
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14:13<roberto>http://packages.debian.org/stable/fonts/
14:13<roberto>i have find it
14:14<curvv>valdyn: thanks, basically what i wanted was to be able to use the guest in fullscreen (or not) at the same ratio as host physical monitor. but i could only choose from 1024x768, 800x600 etc 4:3 ratio resolutions..
14:14<curvv>specifying anything else like 1600x1050 just didn't work
14:14<valdyn>curvv: there should be better display drivers
14:14<curvv>so i thought i could forge a 16:10 ratio somehow
14:14<maverick_>someone have debian testing 3.10 with the ati drivers with aceleration 3D installed?
14:14<valdyn>curvv: i know i have better ones in my virtual machines, but that is kvm
14:14*SamB is pretty sure there never was any 3.10
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14:15*SamB expects maverick_ was actually referring to the kernel version?
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14:15<curvv>the guest_additions driver works adn lets me scale to basically any resolution
14:15<valdyn>curvv: so theres your solution, no?
14:16<curvv>but for htis specific exercise it is not an option because of security issues with it
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14:16<valdyn>curvv: you can use vnc or rdp to access your vm and get differernt resolution that way
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14:17<maverick_>SamB, i put the kernel version beacuse ia m desesperated , all the drivers from ati fails in my debian
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14:17<curvv>yes that's a good idea
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14:17<curvv>although i have installed the guest_additions anyway :/
14:18<curvv>i'll have to go see what these security issues actually are...later
14:18<curvv>thanks for your help
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14:23<blast007>curvv: in any case, you're not using Debian, so you need to ask in the appropriate channel for your distribution.
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14:26<maxy>maverick_: Have you tried https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary?
14:26<curvv>blast007: yes i know, i've already been told that. valdyn just answered me after..
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14:33<peppe3ds>any 1 from italy
14:33<peppe3ds>?
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14:33<maverick_>maxy, yeah, now i am trying with the respos of wheezy (but i am jessie)
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16:00<averythomas>Can someone take a look at this my server keeps on crashing every 30 mins: http://pastebin.com/wrQLZv9a
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16:10<petn-randall>averythomas: Not a Debian kernel, wrong channel.
16:10<SamB>what, we only support Debian's kernels here?
16:11<SamB>(well I mean obviously those have best support...)
16:11*petn-randall checks the name of the channel.
16:12<petn-randall>Yes, pretty much. How are we supposed to know if it has some experimental patches or not, which cause the system to hang?
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16:16<william>Is openswan the application to use to connect to a SonicWall vpn?
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16:57<debNoob>Hi everybody
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16:58<debNoob>I donwloaded debian 7 wheezy. I need a guide or tutorial for converting debian 7 fresh install as linux-libre
16:58<debNoob>Should I only remove non-free repo from source.list?? is that enough??
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16:59<petn-randall>debNoob: I guess linux-libre has a tutorial for that, if you want to use it.
16:59<deiz>hi all, i've just managed to get rid of postgresql from my system
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17:00<petn-randall>deiz: congrats.
17:00<william>With php5 there are /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d /etc/php5/cli/conf.d, but what is just /etc/php5/conf.d for?
17:01<debNoob>petn-randall: Can u help me with the link?? I've been googling and duckduckgo but i cannot find the info. Sorry if I am being so noob? :P
17:01<deiz>i worked out what i needed to do, however, are there any other 'apt' related command i could run to make sure i have a clean system now
17:01<petn-randall>debNoob: In general, if you don't have the non-free repository included, you'll only have access to free software via apt-get. Debian removed proprietary firmware in wheezy, which is why I don't know the difference between Debian's kernel and the linux-libre one.
17:01<deiz>petn-randall: thanks
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17:02<petn-randall>deiz: aptitude search ~o
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17:02<deiz>what does that do
17:02<debNoob>petn-randall: ok thanks. that the info I wanted. I wanted just to confirm. Because it is a fresh install. so I only need to remove the non-free
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17:02<petn-randall>deiz: This will show you any packages that are 'obsolete', meaning not in any repository you've configured.
17:02<deiz>ah right
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17:03<deiz>there was one to remove unwanted or redundant packages too
17:03<deiz>can't remember that one
17:03<petn-randall>debNoob: It shouldn't come with non-free, unless you activated it in installation process.
17:03<deiz>it wasn't purge, something else
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17:03<petn-randall>deiz: aptitude purge ~o?
17:03<debNoob>petn-randall: ok thanks so much
17:03<petn-randall>deiz: aptitude has a wonderful man page, you know. :)
17:04<deiz>all the man pages are so wonderful that they are overwhelming
17:04<deiz>but i get ur point
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17:04<petn-randall>deiz: More important than reading them all from head to toe is to know how to find the information you need.
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17:05<deiz>how do u type to me in red (i assume it's private)
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17:06<petn-randall>deiz: This channel is a stepping stone, but we prefer teaching people how to find information they need, this is more rewarding for everyone than just handing out the info.
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17:06<deiz>thats a fair point.
17:06<petn-randall>deiz: I guess your IRC client highlights every line with your name in it, it's not private.
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17:06<petn-randall>(mine does it in yellow, it's a matter of configuration)
17:06<deiz>no, it highlights your name in red
17:07<david89>Hello. I downloaded the netinstall iso with firmwares. What is the best way of writing it to a usb drive? I already tried with unetbootin but it doesn't boot.
17:08<deiz>i had this problem... i found the live version to be installable
17:08<petn-randall>deiz: no idea then.
17:08<petn-randall>david89: Are you currently running a Linux system?
17:08<deiz>is it because you are typing: deiz: what you said
17:08<david89>petn-randall: yes
17:09<deiz>petn-randall: like this?
17:09<deiz>does ur name go red?
17:09<petn-randall>david89: then use 'dd if=<path to iso> of=/dev/<yourusbdrive> bs=1M'
17:10<david89>petemc: and by yourusbdrive you mean the disk, not the partition, correct?
17:10<petn-randall>deiz: Check your IRC client. I'm pretty sure it has nick highlighting. Unless the lines without your name by me get highlighted, too.
17:10<petn-randall>david89: (wrong nick you wrote to)
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17:11<deiz>it's a web based one
17:11<david89>petn-randall: forgive me, tbbed to quick
17:11<petn-randall>david89: Yes, but make double sure it's the right one, as it'll overwrite the content of the disk.
17:11<deiz>webchat.oftc.net
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17:11<petn-randall>deiz: No idea then.
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17:12<deiz>anyway, that man page is great.... tell me whats best apt-get or aptitude
17:12<deiz>or is apt-get a program within aptitude
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17:15<petn-randall>deiz: They are different frontend for dpkg. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. apt-get is faster to install single packages, aptitude is better to do larger upgrades.
17:16<deiz>thanks
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17:16<david89>alternatively, if I was to bridge my eth0 to a virtualbox vm, could I run a tftp (or whatever you use nowadays) off of the vm to boot the iso?
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17:17<deiz>now that i have removed postgresql-9.3 from the system (installed from postgres repo), i want to make sure every trace of it is gone before installing the supported version (debian repo), where do i need to look?
17:18<david89>uh nevermind, it booted. just had to try a couple times
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17:21<deiz>would it be ok for me to delete the postgres user from the system?
17:21<deiz>and the folders postgres and postgresql-common from /etc/?
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17:23<petn-randall>deiz: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))
17:23<petn-randall>deiz: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
17:23<petn-randall>deiz: That will list you any packages installed that don't match the version from stable.
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17:24<deiz>for postgresql?
17:24<deiz>or for programs in general?
17:24<petn-randall>deiz: For all.
17:24<deiz>ok cool
17:24<deiz>i'll shove into a terminal
17:25<SamB>deiz: you could also try "apt-get purge" followed by the list of packages that got installed from the postgres repo
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17:25<deiz>but i removed them? with them removed will the system say nothing to purge?
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17:28<deiz>ok it ran some scripts
17:28<deiz>but the folders are still there
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17:28<deiz>and the postgres user is still listed
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17:29<petn-randall>deiz: run 'dlocate /etc/postgresql'
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17:30<deiz>command not found
17:31<SamB>deiz: I wouldn't recommend removing the user
17:32<deiz>even if i've uninstalled postgresql
17:32<david89>Does anyone have a link or know where to find some information on what the various "Software Collections" available at install time contain?
17:32<valdyn>deiz: nothing wrong with the postgres user still being listed
17:32<deiz>(i am going to reinstall t anyway)
17:32<valdyn>deiz: in the contrary it may be beneficial
17:32<david89>as in, what falls under standard system utilities
17:32<valdyn>!tasksel
17:32<dpkg>tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel
17:33<valdyn>david89: ^^
17:33<deiz>so i'll keep the redundant folders left behind from the botched install?
17:33<valdyn>deiz: why would the install be botched?
17:34<valdyn>deiz: which folders *exactly* =
17:34<deiz>cos i installed it from postresql repo
17:34<valdyn>deiz: which folders *exactly* ?
17:34<david89>!tasksel laptop
17:34<deiz>and then i upgraded from wheezy to jessie
17:34<valdyn>deiz: we cant really help you with non-debian packages
17:34<david89>!tasksel laptop task
17:34<deiz>exactly
17:34<david89>!tasksel
17:34<dpkg>tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel
17:34<david89>dpkg: laptop task
17:34<dpkg>Laptop task packages for Debian 7 "Wheezy": acpid, acpi, acpi-support, anacron, avahi-autoipd, bluetooth, pcmciautils, pm-utils, powertop, wireless-tools, wpasupplicant, Ask me about <tasksel>.
17:34<valdyn>david89: please use /msg dpkg
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17:35<david89>valdyn: you are right, forgive me
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17:36<petn-randall>deiz: Why reinstall? If you removed the packages, all is fine. If you want to go back to wheezy though, reinstalling will be the only way.
17:36<david89>will I be able to manually install some packages once the install is finished or will it automatically reboot?
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17:36<valdyn>deiz: once a package is purged you can remove all it leaves behind, no harm done
17:36<deiz>i assume the install scripts for the supported postgresql-9.3 (from debian repo) would just know if the folders it wants to create are there to just ignore the creation and populate them?
17:36<valdyn>deiz: yes
17:36<deiz>ok cool
17:36<david89>i wonder if the packages use install
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17:37<deiz>i will go install postgresql now
17:37<deiz>will report back
17:37<valdyn>david89: debian never reboots automatically iirc
17:37<david89>valdyn: I hope so. I didn't select laptop but need the wireless stuff
17:37<valdyn>david89: you dont need wireless to boot, so why would it matter anyhow?
17:38<deiz>the wireless stuff will be there by default
17:38<david89>valdyn: because if i boot it without wireless i can't install any other packages
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17:38<valdyn>david89: ok
17:38<deiz>but if you are looking for a specific driver you can load it from another medium i think
17:38<david89>does the firmware-netinstall copy over firmwares or will I need to add them?
17:39<deiz>not necessarily, the firmware i needed was non-free, and had to be plugged in
17:39<valdyn>david89: obviously it would be a bug if debian laid traps like that
17:39<valdyn>david89: but i have not tried it
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17:40<david89>valdyn: what do you intend by trap
17:40<valdyn>david89: trap is makeing a special install disk for people who need firmware and then not install that firmware by default
17:41<david89>valdyn: I am of the same mind, but at the same time they go out of their way to not include firmware in the standard isos, so it could be possible
17:41<valdyn>david89: its not in standard isos because its non-free software
17:41<valdyn>david89: the firmware image thus is provided as a convenience even though it violates debian policy
17:42<david89>and by the same reasoning an automatic installer shouldn't install non-free software without asking. Does it ask?
17:42<deiz>yes it asks
17:42<valdyn>no, it shouldnt lay traps
17:42<david89>perfect if it asks ;)
17:43<deiz>but only if it knows there driver for your wifi card is not availabe from the usb/cd media, it gives you a choice to install it
17:44<david89>deiz & valdyn: any of you two involved directly with debian?
17:44<valdyn>david89: b
17:44<deiz>nope
17:44<valdyn>david89: no, ive only been using it for a long time
17:44<deiz>i've installed it with failure so many times in the last two weeks
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17:45<david89>good good. I only ever installed it on a server over two years ago
17:45<valdyn>david89: but installing debian is very rare
17:45<deiz>i nearly gave up, i resorted to plugging in an ethernet cable for the install
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17:45<david89>valdyn: how so?
17:45<valdyn>david89: i dont reinstall
17:46<valdyn>david89: obviously my computer and servers run for a long time
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17:46<david89>valdyn: ah I see what you mean. Yes I installed it on my server once and it worked on the first try. Never had to touch it since
17:46<david89>apart from upgrades
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17:47<SamB>david89: yes, the ability to upgrade is why installs are rare
17:47<deiz>which postgres do i install? "postgresql (supported) - 9.3+150" or "postgresql-9.3 -9.3.1-1"?
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17:47<valdyn>david89: this system is installed is reinstalled once since 2000, but thats becauise it moved i386->amd64, hardware changed like 5 times
17:47<david89>valdyn: desktop?
17:47<valdyn>david89: the desktop im sitting at
17:48<petn-randall>deiz: postgresql is a meta-package, that install 9.3.
17:48<david89>valdyn: are you running testing or stable?
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17:48<valdyn>david89: my desktop is always unstable + experimental + non-debian things
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17:48<deiz>so thats the one i need? it will refer to the other one to install + any dependencies?
17:48<valdyn>poof
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17:49<david89>i though my /server command would keep this one live..
17:49<valdyn>david89: ok, what i said is explicitely not a recommendation
17:50<david89>valdyn: I probably missed it. last thing I got was my desktop is alwa[...]
17:50<valdyn>david89: my desktop is always unstable + experimental + non-debian things
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17:51<david89>valdyn: ah ok, I had it all ;)
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18:08<emir>Have somebody any question?
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18:09<emir>I'm new here so I'm not shore does this actually work...
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18:11<petn-randall>Hello emir, this is the debian support channel. Feel free to ask if you have a question.
18:12<emir>Thanks. I haven't any question now, but it's good to know where to find answer...
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18:32<awal>Hi room :)
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18:34<awal>I'm using Debian Wheezy with KDE and i would like delete "skype plugin for Kopete" in Iceweasel. I can't dehable it in Iceweasel addons and i dont find it with aptitude ot apt. How i can remove this plugin?
18:35<awal>Bcuz i dont use skype or kopete. so it bother me ;(
18:35<valdyn>awal: who else but you would have installed it?
18:36<awal>no
18:36<awal>its installed by default
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18:36<valdyn>awal: i see
18:36<valdyn>awal: i think it communicates with skype
18:36<awal>ye si know
18:37<valdyn>awal: so if you dont have skype installed...
18:37<awal>so i dont have skype
18:37<valdyn>awal: it means the plugin cannot do anything
18:37<awal>and no use kopete . must not be there
18:37<awal>valdyn i know
18:38<valdyn>awal: so remove kopete?
18:38<awal>u think remooving kopete the plugin will be removed too?
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18:38<awal>i want keep kopete maybe ill use it
18:39<awal>i have no non-free software in my laptop so realy skype plugin bother me
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18:40<valdyn>awal: just leave it
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18:40<awal>lol
18:40<valdyn>awal: thats certainly saner than rm pluginfile
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18:41<awal>valdyn: i know the plugin dont do nothing but i use iceweasel bcuz i can customize it or install addons i want...so skype plugin dont have nothing to do there
18:42<valdyn>awal: whats strange is that you cant disable it
18:43<awal>i do apt-cache search kopete or search skype-plugin-for-kopete or search skype plugin or search skype plugin for kopete and apt dont find thi plugin. so i dont realy know the real name of this plugin
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18:44<valdyn>awal: i cant deactivate it just fine
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18:44<valdyn>awal: i *can* deactivate it just fine
18:44<awal>valdyn: u can desactivate it?
18:45<awal>are u using kde?
18:45<valdyn>awal: yes, in my iceweasel
18:45<valdyn>awal: no im not using kde (why would that matter?)
18:45<awal>valdyn: sorry i was wrong. yes i can desactivate it. sorry
18:46<awal>valdyn: i wanna say i cant remove it
18:46<valdyn>awal: this is just buttons for skype anyway
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18:46<valdyn>awal: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/skypebuttons.so ( found via "dpkg -L kopete | grep skype" )
18:47<awal>valdyn: i know iceweasel addons installed with apt or aptitude can be deleted just with apt or aptitude but me i dont installed it so my problem is i dont know the real name of this plugin
18:47<awal>valdyn
18:48<valdyn>awal: i showed you the plugin file name - its in the kopete package
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18:49<valdyn>awal: the plugin should probably be in a seperate package in my opinion
18:49<awal>valdyn: so is the skypebuttons.so ?
18:49<valdyn>awal: yes
18:49<awal>valdyn: ok. so i have just to delete this package?
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18:50<valdyn>awal: try and see
18:52<awal>valdyn: ok thankt . i tray it soon when i'm at home. because now i'm not in KDE. i'm in my old laptop with openbox running jessie. thanks VALDYN. i save this conversation :)
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18:52<robotgerman_>anyone here have tiny tiny irc installed on a wheezy host?
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18:54<awal>valdyn: the command ''dpkg -L'' means dpkg list kopete? sorry i'm newbie in linux :)
18:55<valdyn>awal: "man dpkg", hit "/-L<enter>", repeat till you find it
18:57<awal>valdyn: ok. thank you. i appreciate your help. i'll do it :) thank you (Y)
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19:30<timofonic>Hello
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19:31<timofonic>My gf got an UEFI-only laptop and I want to install Debian on it. Are there a guide about installing Debian on an UEFI-only system? I cannot find an specific guide about it on Internet, maybe I'm not finding it well enough...
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19:34<Yoten>Would someone be able to give me advice with troubleshooting a network-related issue?
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19:35<Yoten>I have a Mumble server (voice chat) running on a virtual server with 6.0.7 on it, and every now and then peoples' voices get cut off or garbled. I'd like to figure out how I can monitor my network traffic to see my incoming/outgoing traffic and detect packet loss, etc.
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19:38<dotut>timofnic: debian live images already has efi support: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/
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19:38<dotut>timofnic: take ur pick on the image that you want
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19:39<nhct-000041>hello блядь
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19:40<devil>!ru
19:40<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
19:41<nhct-000041>oh ok ok
19:42<devil>you can speak EN here if you like
19:42<nhct-000041>how setting irs for i2p?
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19:42<devil>I neither know irs nor i2p :)
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19:44<nhct-000041>i want full anonimous chat ) how?
19:45<devil>use ssl
19:45<devil>in your client
19:45<awal>timofonic: you can install Debian Wheezy easly in UEFI laptp. but just 64 bit version
19:46<timofonic>dotut: Yes, I want to install 64bit on it
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19:46<awal>timofonic: i instaled Wheezy easly in my uefi laptop. just check ur bios before boot
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19:47<nhct-000041>you see my ip?
19:47<stderr>85.26.234.81? No...
19:47<awal>dishable secure boot and all will be fine.
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19:48<dotut>timofnic: the link i gave you contains 64-bit images
19:49<dotut>tinofnic: just pick KDE, or GNOME, or Xfce
19:49<timofonic>awal: The problem is that I deleted the old partitions and recreated them manually, but failed miserable
19:49<timofonic>awal: Does Debian generates the "uefi partition" and such?
19:49<nhct-000041>yes/ its he
19:49<timofonic>miserable=miserable
19:50<timofonic>(damn, these days my English got quite broken. sorry)
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19:50<nhct-000041>#i2p-chat - anonimous ?
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19:51<awal>timofonic: i'm newbie in Linux but i have Lenovo 64bit. i turned off secure boot, changed bios to Legacy mode and inserted Debian DVD and choosed in boot bios mode something saying uefi o efi ...dont remember exactly . but instalation was successfull and Debian installer created uefi partition automaticaly
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19:52<petn-randall>!ur
19:52<dpkg>Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a word meaning "from within". A german prefix for refering to something very old. Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For Debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya.
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19:55<petn-randall>timofonic: UEFI installations work out of the box. Just make sure to deactivate "secure boot" if there's such an option. And also deactivate "Legacy BIOS", or "CSM" if there's such an option.
19:55<timofonic>awal: There's no "legacy" exactly here, the system is able to boot the Chakra DVD. But my gf is having issues with the system (it freezes and such) and I'm not happy with it after some usage
19:55<timofonic>petn-randall: So I don't need to create partitions manually? Despite the UEFI (fat32) partition isn't installed
19:56<petn-randall>timofonic: No, the installer will do that for you.
19:56<timofonic>petn-randall: Yes, "secure" boot is deactivated. But I didn't manage to boot Chakra directly from HDD (I had to use the DVD)
19:56<timofonic>petn-randall: okay :)
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19:57<timofonic>petn-randall: I don't have access to her laptop, I'll try this weekend.
19:57<timofonic>Thanks everyone :)
19:58<awal>timofonic: sorry for my bad english but i tell you: download debian dvd 64bit. disable secure boot but no uefi and insert ur dvd and thats all. or if u want, disable secure boot and uefi and change to legacy and u will have traditional instalation. Debian is wise and will create uefi partition for you automaticaly
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19:59<petn-randall>timofonic: Then try Debian.
19:59<timofonic>awal: Don't worry, I'm not native English too :)
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19:59<petn-randall>dpkg: tell awal -about ur
19:59<timofonic>awal: There's no way to enable legacy mode, it seems that laptop is uefi-only. I'll do that then :)
19:59<awal>timofoni: yes , then try Debian and i'm sure u will like it
20:00<timofonic>awal: Okay
20:00<timofonic>Thanks :)
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20:01<awal>timofonic: no all bios have "legacy" word maybe another word...ask experienced users
20:01<petn-randall>awal: That is not true.
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20:01<awal>timofonic: but if your laptop is just uefi bios, so disable just secure boot and you will be fine
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20:03<awal>petn-randall: i dont realy know. i have Dell and Lenovo and Acer uefi and all have legacy mode . timofonic laptop maybe have other seetings. i said him ask ....
20:04<awal>me i'm fresh newbie in Debian-gnu-linux but i'm in love with :P
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20:05<Yoten>Is anyone familiar with how I could monitor my network traffic and check for packet loss, incoming/outgoing rates, etc.? I'm trying to troubleshoot some performance issues on a virtual server running 6.0.7 that's hosting my voice chat server
20:06<petn-randall>awal: New Apple machines are examples of UEFI without legacy mode.
20:06<awal>timofonic: when you ready for install Debian in your laptop come to this forum and people will help you. i'm sure :)
20:06<devil>Yoten: iftop will be ok for a start
20:07<SamB>Yoten: packet loss can be a bit tricky to check for
20:07<SamB>the easiest way is basically to run some pings ...
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20:08<Yoten>Yeah, it doesn't seem like it'll be easy to diagnose... peoples' voices cut out or get garbled, but it's very intermittently. Ideally I could set up something to monitor for a extended period of time and then view a report, etc.
20:09<Yoten>might be able to work that into a script or something...
20:09<Yoten>I'll take a look at iftop
20:10<timofonic>awal: I don't remember the model, I forgot to note it.
20:10<SamB>Yoten: voices get cut out or garbled in what?
20:10<timofonic>It's an Asus
20:10<SamB>maybe the application could detect it?
20:11<petn-randall>Yoten: What kind of voice chat?
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20:11<petn-randall>Yoten: Some standards only use the server for negotiation, and then the clients do direct UDP.
20:11<Yoten>Mumble
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20:13<Yoten>And what happens is that people are talking and they start sounding like robots or a few words get cut off. It doesn't happen constantly, just maybe once every few minutes
20:13<timofonic>going to sleep, see you!
20:13<petn-randall>Yoten: Sounds like network congestion.
20:13<petn-randall>Yoten: Is this an Amazon EC2?
20:14<awal>timofonic: i can help you more bcuz i'm newbie in linux and my english is no good. but i installed debian in my lenovo uefi bios and all was fine. when u ready to install come here and experienced debian users will help you.
20:14<Yoten>Nope, it's a VPS provider - ramnode.com
20:14<awal>i can't :)
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20:15<petn-randall>awal: iftop may be a starting point, but only the application can really detect packet loss, if at all. You might need to check mumble's docs.
20:15<Yoten>admittedly, they're a budget provider. But I am wondering if it's network issues on their end, hence wanting to monitor it myself
20:16<Yoten>petn: I don't believe it has that capability, sadly
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20:18<nhct-000041>hello
20:18<nhct-000041>please say my ip
20:18<awal>petn-randall: sorry i'm lost . you answer is about what?
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20:23<abrotman>you oculdn't just send him to whatismyip ?
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20:23<Celelibi>How do I "subscribe" to a bug report?
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20:24<abrotman>Celelibi: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#subscribe
20:25<stderr>abrotman: I guess I could...
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20:25<abrotman>stderr: or tell him about /whois ? :)
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20:26<stderr>But then he wouldn't have tried to dcc chat me...
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20:28<abrotman>of course not
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21:28<awal>Hi room :) I'm running Debian Jessie with kernel 3.10 in Acer Aspire 5310. sometimes i can see the boot process (kernel boot, kernel messages) after grub and before GDM, KDM... and sometimes no. With Squeeze and kernel 2.6 i never had this problem. Is it akernel issue? Drivers missing, graphic card problem or what?
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21:31<sasha>I have freebsd debian and I can't find flashplugin-nonfree. Is it not available for freeBSD version?
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21:34<awal>somebody can answerme pls:)
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21:48<Infiltrator>awal: Please go to #debian-next for support with Jessie. This channel is for stable (wheezy) only.
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21:50<awal>my problem is not just with Jessie. I had the same issue with Wheezy too in same laptop. I tought that maybe is kernel 3...problem (?)
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22:01<comi94pfc>hey
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22:02<comi94pfc>what is this XChat? can i uninstall it?
22:02<comi94pfc>Is it mandatory?
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22:03<abrotman>that was a troll, right?
22:04<Infiltrator>I fear not.
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23:30<ChibaPet>sasha: No, just Linux.
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23:31<ChibaPet>sasha: You can try Gnash or another free version, but they tend not to work well. Probably better than nothig.
23:31<ChibaPet>nothing[
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23:42<sasha>ChibaPet, thx
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