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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-11-15

---Logopened Fri Nov 15 00:00:27 2013
---Daychanged Fri Nov 15 2013
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02:18<chrisb_>i am trying to build a .deb from git sources...when I run make dist; make deb-dist ; i am told the maintainer's signing key is not available and the build fails
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02:20<rufio>Anyone here?
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02:22<jm_>chrisb_: what command does it run?
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03:14<cs122355>:P
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03:15<cs122355>:P
03:15<cs122355>mila
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04:32<nadir>If i configure a PC as router and attach it to a (pure) modem, how to i connect to the ISP?
04:32<nadir>with pppoeconf ?
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04:33<jm_>it depends on your ISP
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04:34<nadir>jm_: Usually i open the router+modem's interface and enter my name+passwd
04:34<nadir>been ages i used pppoeconf
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04:35<jm_>nadir: surely your ISP lists such details, but username+pass suggests PPP
04:35<nadir>but with a PC configured as the router i seem to lack the webinterface
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04:35<condor>hi
04:35<condor>hi all
04:37<jm_>I just configure it by hand if I have to use PPP, but I guess pppoeconf usually works ok
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04:44<nadir>jm_ thanks for your help. I found the according info (i hope) and it says pppoe, as far i understand. It's German, but anyway: http://hilfe-center.1und1.de/dsl-hardware-c83894/samsung-dsl-modem-c85060/internetzugangsdaten-manuell-in-einem-samsung-dsl-modem-einrichten-a792200.html
04:44<nadir>in which files do you enter the info directly?
04:45<jm_>nadir: yeah pppoe
04:45<nadir>all cool. Been a long night, but some results.
04:46<jm_>/usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian.gz
04:46<nadir>ah, duh. thanks.
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05:11<Guest5705>hi, i have a cron job that runs and backups files to a san drive which then is roated by rsync, when i come in the morning all files are gone but the dir's are still there
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05:11<alumno>hola
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05:18<pos>!es
05:18<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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05:24<ghci>hi my first time on irc :P I have a problem with laptop suspend after dist update on my debian, anyone can help?
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05:28<niko_20010>ghci: more info, please!
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05:31<ghci>after runnig apt-get dist-upgrade, whenever i try to suspend (fn keys on thinkpad) the system is locking insted of suspending
05:32<ghci>the option suspend disapeared from menu (it was above power off)
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05:33<ghci>and closing lid does not make suspend either
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05:35<ghci>on the othe hadn whan I type some magical command (found in some forum) my laptop suspends
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05:44<ghci>what more info do you need?
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06:06<rah>how do I get my system to block an IP using iptables if there are, say >10 failed ssh login attempts from that address within, say, 5 minutes?
06:06<rah>is there any existing software that will do that for me
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06:07<linuxator>rah, try fail2ban
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06:09<rah>linuxator: thanks
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06:10<linuxator>rah, you 're welcome :)
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06:16<linuxator>rah, i will suggest if possible do the above too, remove logins and use keyring to connect (except root of course) and add a delay on auth sessions, plus if you want to give shell access is always better to give via a virtual machine
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06:44<Xylon>Hi, how to get all the missing GNU documentation?
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06:49<dalit>Xylon : why do u need documentation?
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06:51<dalit>Xylon : get it here http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-doc
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08:12<po2i>hallo
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08:20<Guest5719>hallo
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08:27<chrisb_>jm_: i am building libgppcscconnectionplugin-1.1.0 , https://github.com/Yubico/gppcscconnectionplugin-dpkg
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08:29<jm_>chrisb_: yes but you need to find the command it uses to build the package and probably modify it (i.e. -uc -us)
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08:32<sreedevi>I reported one minor bug in debian, I would like to fix it, How can we do this from an ubuntu system, Could any one please help me with this?
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08:34<Stummi>sreedevi, you should work at least in a debian chroot
08:34<Stummi>to work on debian packages
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08:44<sreedevi>Stummi:Thank you
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08:47<Stummi>From a debian system, you can build up a working chroot with debootstrap, but I don't know if ubuntu ships it as well
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08:53<sreedevi>Do we have some similar tools like launchpad(ubuntu) in debian?
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09:26<houms>there seems to be an issue with dhcp client on testing. I just upgraded today and after upgrade I can no longer get dhcp address. here is apt history http://pastie.org/8482669
09:29<Maulkin>houms: Try #debian-next
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09:31<houms_>why debian-next
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09:32<houms_>and this is the daemon.log http://pastie.org/8482683
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09:36<blast007>houms_: because Debian Testing is supported in #debian-next as per the topic. #debian is for the stable release.
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09:37<houms_>sorry yes i saw that after . the network connection is not working so i am not getting the messages right away
09:37<houms_>thanks
09:37<shivam>guys, how i installed scilab with "apt-get install scilab" but i need the latest version, how to get ?
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09:38<shivam>guys, i installed scilab with "apt-get install scilab" but i need the latest version, how to get ?
09:38<shivam>the latest version is "scilab 5.4.1-4"
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09:41<dalit>i installed scilab with "apt-get install scilab" but i need the latest version, how to get ?
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09:45<dalit>how to update the version of scilab program in my computer
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09:45<dalit>how to update the version of any program in my computer???
09:45<dalit>how to update/upgrade the version of any program in my computer???
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09:46<Stummi>dalit, aptitude
09:46<blast007>dalit: the version in wheezy is 5.3.3
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09:47<dalit>blast007 : if i need 5.4.1-4 then?
09:47<dalit>is it possible?
09:47<Stummi>5.4.1-4?
09:47<Stummi>From where is this version number?
09:47<blast007>may be possible, but seems it has build dependencies that aren't in wheezy
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09:48<dalit>Stummi :from here http://packages.debian.org/sid/scilab
09:48<blast007>so, you'd have to backport more than just that program. Is there some feature from that new release that you really need?
09:48<Stummi>dalit, why do you think you need 5.4.1-4?
09:49<dalit>Stummi: ya,i need it becuse my project strongly recommends the latest version
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09:50<Stummi>basically, you currently can't easily have something newer than 5.3.3 in wheezy
09:50<dalit>blast007 : not anything specific, but hte whole sa i dont know which feature will be neede in future
09:50<martinb>Anybody know where I can point Abanian users at (Albanian language) installation/usage documentation?
09:51<Stummi>dalit, you have either to do a backport or use jessie
09:51<dalit>Stummi : but the page shows its available http://packages.debian.org/sid/scilab
09:51<trico>! and then their domain code. AL? AB?
09:51<Stummi>yes, but its sid, and you can't pin sid into testing safely
09:51<dalit>Stummi : is jessi the latest debian?
09:51<trico>!AL
09:51<dpkg>somebody said al was Albania
09:52<martinb>sq is the language locale
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09:52<Stummi>dalit, not the latest debian. the next debian
09:52<martinb>I'm looking for documentation for new Albanian computer users with Debian
09:52<Stummi>its the current testing version
09:53<dalit>Stummi : then i have to upgrade to jessi
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09:53<Maulkin>!testing
09:53<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <jessie>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <wheezy->jessie> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
09:53<dalit>Stummi : is it feasible?
09:53<Maulkin>See the line above
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10:07<dalit>guys installing something from debian jessie while i have wheezy, help!
10:08<dalit>in sources.list i have changed to jessie as suggested by dpkg
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10:11<dalit>do u suggest switching to jessie
10:11<babilen>dalit: We (and that includes our bot dpkg) would never recommend mixing stable (wheezy) with testing (jessie) as doing so will, rather sooner than later, break your system.
10:11<babilen>dalit: What are you trying to achieve?
10:12<dalit>to get the latest scilab version which is available only in jessie
10:12<petn-randall>dpkg: tell dalit -about ssb
10:12<petn-randall>dalit: Backporting is always a lot safer than mixing stable/testing.
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10:13<babilen>judd: checkbackport scilab
10:13<judd>Backporting package scilab in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libflexdock-java (>= 1.2.3), libmatio-dev (>= 1.5.0), libjlatexmath-java (>= 1.0.2), libjlatexmath-fop-java (>= 1.0.2), libscirenderer-java (>= 1.1.0), libjgraphx-java (>= 1.8.0.0).
10:13<babilen>judd: checkbackport scilab --fromrelease=jessie
10:13<judd>Backporting package scilab in jessie→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy.
10:13<dalit>petn-randall : i want to BAckport then
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10:14<babilen>dalit: yeah, backporting the version in *testing* should be an option as all its Build-Dependencies can be satisfied. It'll be harder to backport the 5.4.1-4 version in sid.
10:15<dalit>babilen : Backporting is cumbersome,
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10:17<petn-randall>dalit: It's the only way not to break your system.
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10:17<babilen>dalit: Well, less cumbersome than fixing a broken system. There are other alternatives (such as tracking testing, jessie or unstable) but I have no idea what suits your needs and technical expertise.
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10:17<dalit>babilen : petn-randall : guide me for backporting
10:17<dalit>i want it
10:18<blast007>the version in jessie is the same version in wheezy
10:18<dalit>blast007 : talking about scilab?
10:18<blast007>only sid has the new release of scilab, and it looks like only jessie has the necessary build dependencies to backport the scilab from sid.
10:19<dalit>balst off : when is jessie going to be next debian, can anybodt tell
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10:19<babilen>blast007: Oh, good catch. As dalit said that (s)he wants the version in jessie I naturally assumed that the version there is newer than the one in wheezy. That's what you get for trusting people who seek help ;)
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10:20<babilen>dalit: We will freeze at next years Guy Fawkes night (5th of November) and nobody knows how long it'll take to fix all bugs.
10:21<babilen>dalit: Please do not /msg me (or anybody else in this channel) without asking for permission first. Please also keep it in the channel as a lot of people will be able to help and spot mistakes or wrong assumptions. (such as blast007 who just pointed out that the version in wheezy is the same as the version in jessie)
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10:22<babilen>dalit: It looks as if it would be a quite a lot of work to backport the version in sid to wheezy and I can not recommend tracking testing and/or unstable to you. Do you *really* need that version?
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10:23<dalit>babilen : i think it would be worth the wait for next release
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10:23<dalit>babilen : but jessie stable is eagerly awaited by me
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10:25<dalit>thats was a lot of help getting involved
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10:27<dalit>bablien : petn-randall : Stummi : thanks for guiding a windowsXP user, Alas ! its very messy out there in linux
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10:27<das>hello. when is the TC due to give its ruling on systemV vs upstart vs systemd vs openRC ?
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10:28<Maulkin>das: Probably in a month or so.
10:28<Maulkin>(random guess)
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10:29<das>ok, thanks
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10:29<Maulkin>Could be longer. When they're ready basically
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10:30<Maulkin>Then there could be a GR...
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10:33<das>Maulkin: yes, but it's also my understanding that it's kind of a now or never situation since the next release is scheduled for next year
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10:37<Maulkin>das: The next release isn't scheduled for next year.
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10:37<Maulkin>The freeze is 5th November.
10:39<stdspace>"is" or "was"?
10:39<wompa>5th November, 2014
10:39<Maulkin>Is.
10:39<stdspace>Got it... I'll see if I can "remember, remember..."
10:40<Maulkin>That's pretty much why we picked that date
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10:56<chrisb_>what did jm_ mean by -uc or -us ? as a package switch? in debian/control?
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10:58<houms>i keep getting message to run /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup everytime I reboot my laptop. I am sure it is permissions issue, but not sure where to look. I have ssd and sata and the .VirtualBox and VirtualBox VMs dirs are on the sata with a symlink on the ssd.
10:58<Maulkin>chrisb_: Not sure what you mean, but looks like when you're building the package with debuild or dpkg-buildpackage
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11:00<houms>scratch that no sata. doh.
11:00<houms>it is all on the ssd
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11:01<houms>it does not seem to load vboxdrv
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11:02<houms>is there any reason why vboxdrv module is not being loaded on boot?
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11:03<blast007>houms: https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Kernel_driver_not_installed_.28rc.3D-1908.29
11:03<youcker>hello
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11:04<houms>thanks blast007
11:04<houms>is this /etc/modules line new?
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11:05<houms>i have never had to do that before and I have been running vbox on this laptop for years
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11:08<houms>i am rebooting now testing change brb
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11:10<houms>so I did a dpkg-reconfigure and then added my user to the vboxusers group. now all is good and no need for /etc/modules
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11:28<petn-randall>houms: Are you using Debian's VirtualBox, or the Oracle one from the website?
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11:49<houms>oracle
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11:50<houms>i am thinking not having my user in vboxusers group was preventing my user from loaded vboxdrv
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11:55<petn-randall>houms: Only root kann load the driver ...
11:56<petn-randall>houms: I think you fudged something, since /etc/init.d/vboxdrv ist normally started in runlevel 2.
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11:56<gerard_>hello folks
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12:01<houms>interesting
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12:31<undead>Hello, guys! Please help me, how I can disable all logging? My path /var/log growwing up very fast, for gygabytes after I cleaned it again and again
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12:34<blast007>undead: is there a specific log or set of logs that are growly quickly for you?
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12:38<undead>blast007: syslog and messages and kern.log
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12:42<blast007>undead: have you investigated the contents of those logs? perhaps you could solve the underlying issue that is generating the large amount of log information.
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12:45<undead>blast007: unfortunately I'm newbie and can't understand whats the problem without help
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12:49<SynrG>undead: disabling logging is absolutely the wrong approach in such a case as this
12:49<SynrG>the logs are filling up because of problems. to help you, we need to at least see parts of the logs that look "wrong" to you
12:50<SynrG>the solution lies in solving the underlying problem(s)
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12:50<SynrG>not in silencing logging
12:50<LtL>Could logrotate not be installed or not working?
12:50<SynrG>undead: use paste.debian.net and show an excerpt of, say, the last couple hundred of lines or so of syslog
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12:51<SynrG>tail -n 200 /var/log/syslog
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12:52<undead><SynrG>, how I can open this log file? With text editor didnt work
12:53<SynrG>you need to be root. don't open with a text editor, either
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12:53<SynrG>you'll probably kill the text editor
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12:54<SynrG>LtL: growing very fast "for gigabytes" doesn't sound like lack of logrotate
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12:54<LtL>SynrG: true
12:55<SynrG>undead: if you don't have nopaste, install it:
12:55<SynrG>!nopaste
12:55<dpkg>nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste".
12:55<SynrG>and then as root:
12:55<SynrG>tail -n 200 /var/log/syslog | nopaste
12:55<SynrG>then give us the resulting URL
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12:55<natm>Is it bad form to send a message to a package maintainer list to get action on a wishlist bug that i commented on over a month ago, and is a one line build time config change? i'm just hoping to get some action out of the issue.
12:56<natm>also the software i'm building requires the change.
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12:56<SynrG>a package maintainer list will receive responses to all bugs for the maintained package, no doubt.
12:56<SynrG>i.e. if you sent a wishlist bug, or commented on a wishlist bug ... it's already on that list
12:56<SynrG>so i'm not sure how bugging the list directly has any higher visibility
12:57<SynrG>natm: which package? and which bug#?
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13:01<natm>SynrG: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=678147 wpasupplicant
13:01<natm>my mta hiccuped and i sadly posted twice. :(
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13:06<undead>SynrG: http://nopaste.info/f893a13317.html
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13:07<SynrG>natm: my understanding from reading that bug is there are reasons re-enabling it is not considered a good idea.
13:07<SynrG>natm: so, saying "I enabled it and it worked for me" is not a helpful response that will move it along towards a solution.
13:08<SynrG>undead: disconnect whichever device is flooding your log with those messages.
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13:09<SynrG>undead: ah, it may not be as simple as that. sec
13:09<thopiekar>hey
13:09<thopiekar>is someone familiar with the binfmt system?
13:09<thopiekar>I want to tell binfmt to open Apple Mach-O x64 files with a interpreter but I have no clue how to get the mask and the magic number
13:10<SynrG>undead: by the way, which kernel do you have? "uname -r"
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13:14<undead>SynrG: 3.10-3-amd64
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13:29<stderr>thopiekar: Maybe it would be easier to use the extension instead?
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13:30<SynrG>undead: so you're not on wheezy?
13:31<SynrG>undead: if you google your particular error messages, there are many complaints about that. one person solved it by blacklisting mei_me. i don't know if that's the right solution. i don't even know what mei_me actually is. :)
13:32<SynrG>undead: if you're a newbie unable to solve issues like this, why aren't you using wheezy? (or at least the wheezy kernel)
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13:32<SynrG>undead: support for jessie/sid goes to #debian-next
13:33<SynrG>we can continue there ...
13:33<undead>SynrG: because wheezy doesnt support my video catd
13:33<undead>card*
13:33<SynrG>and you can't use a backport?
13:34<undead>SynrG: guys in this IRC tries many variants, but finally hepls only update on jessie
13:35<SynrG>i think first we want to understand what mei_me is. if it's something you don't need, then we can simply blacklist it
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13:36<SynrG>undead: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=107678
13:36<SynrG>exactly your problem
13:37<SynrG>!blacklist
13:37<dpkg>To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting
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13:37<SynrG>undead: that's all you need to know to blacklist mei_me.
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13:38<thopiekar>stderr: what do you mean? I'm new in binfmt
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13:38<stderr>thopiekar: What are "Apple Mach-O" files called?
13:39<thopiekar>file says: ar: Mach-O 64-bit x86_64 executable
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13:40<thopiekar>or asa: Mach-O universal binary with 2 architectures: [i386: Mach-O i386 executable] [x86_64: Mach-O 64-bit x86_64 executable]
13:40<undead>SynrG: thank you
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13:40<thopiekar>stderr: and finally bison: Mach-O universal binary with 2 architectures: [i386: Mach-O i386 executable] [x86_64]
13:40<stderr>thopiekar: So not something like e.g. ar.exe In that case, you have to use the bitmask option.
13:41<thopiekar>stderr: ok
13:41<stderr>Do you have a description of the file format?
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13:42<thopiekar>no, where can I get these? The binaries I have here are from Apple Xcode
13:42<thopiekar>(Toolchain)
13:42<stderr>https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/DeveloperTools/Conceptual/MachORuntime/Reference/reference.html seems to have some...
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13:42<SynrG>undead: huh. apparently it has to do with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology
13:42<Skyrider>Greetings everyone!
13:43<SynrG>undead: IME is the "Intel Management Engine"
13:43<Skyrider>I've been wondering if someone could (hopefully) help me with my debian 7 VPS ^_^
13:43<thopiekar>stderr: I read somewhere that I have to 'move' the information from file's binary database to binfmt
13:43<SynrG>undead: chances are high you don't need anything like this. if simply blacklisting 'ime_me' doesn't work, try blacklisting 'ime'
13:44<stderr>thopiekar: Can you do a hexdump -C ar | head -2 and put the output on http://paste.debian.net/ ? (Same command with the other executables too)
13:44<thopiekar>as file's database has got the masks stored
13:44<SynrG>undead: i don't even know if 'ime' can operate properly without 'ime_me'
13:44<thopiekar>stderr: sure
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13:44<stderr>thopiekar: That would be my idea too, but I couldn't quickly locate those numbers in a human-readable format... :-/
13:45<thopiekar>ok
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13:46<thopiekar>stderr: do you want a list of all files or for the moment just the one which are identified by file with "Mach-O 64-bit x86_64 executable"
13:46<thopiekar>?
13:46<stderr>Let's start with just that one.
13:46<thopiekar>ok
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13:48<Skyrider>I'm having a MySQL issue.. I recently used Adminer to accidently alter the 'server' in the privileges options for a root user, and now I can no longer connect to it.
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13:50<thopiekar>http://pastebin.com/7PfLmtqq
13:50<thopiekar>stderr: ^
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13:51<blast007>Skyrider: so you accidentally changed the password for the 'root' MySQL user account?
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13:53<Skyrider>Nope, just the 'server'
13:53<Skyrider>From localhost, to an IP address
13:53<stderr>thopiekar: As you can see, the all have the same magic number 0xCFFAEDFE at offset 0.
13:54<Skyrider>Ever since that, regardless if I completely remove the php5-mysql and the mysql-server / client, and reinstall everything
13:54<Skyrider>I keep getting Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
13:54<Skyrider>even with no password, can't get access to it
13:54<stderr>thopiekar: None of those 32 bits change in any of the files, so all of them are significant and the bitmask is therefore 0xFFFFFFFF.
13:55<blast007>Skyrider: so you don't know the root password?
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13:55<blast007>Skyrider: we need a little more information about the situation...
13:55<nadir>did you try the debian-admin ?
13:55<thopiekar>stderr: ok, the first line is always the same..
13:56<stderr>thopiekar: Now the only question left is whether the magic and mask should be written in hex or decimal or whatever in binfmt.
13:56<blast007>Skyrider: if the issue is not knowing the MySQL root password, that's easy enough to reset: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/442
13:56<blast007>Skyrider: if that's not the issue, then you need to be far more specific about what you did and what is happening now.
13:56<thopiekar>stderr: /usr/share/binfmts/*
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13:57<SynrG>undead: did that help? do you need any further help with that?
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13:58<stderr>thopiekar: Ok, it can be written as hex. The mask defaults to all 0xFF.
13:58<Skyrider>1 sec
13:59<stderr>thopiekar: :Mach-O:M:0:\xCF\xFA\xED\xFE::/path/to/interpreter:
13:59<Skyrider>Not familiar with Adminer?
14:00<stderr>thopiekar: The offset defaults to 0, so you can even skip that...
14:00<thopiekar>ok
14:00<thopiekar>http://pastebin.com/N9jASfTK ?
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14:01<stderr>thopiekar: Looks ok to me.
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14:02<SynrG>undead left. argh. and i typoed the module name
14:02<SynrG>for undead, if-and-when he returns:
14:03<thopiekar>stderr: great! it works!
14:03<stderr>Great.
14:03<thopiekar>many thanks!
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14:03<SynrG>undead: blacklist mei_me or else mei. sorry, typo.
14:04<thopiekar>"native" support for Apple binaries.. so happy
14:04<thopiekar>:D
14:04<stderr>thopiekar: Check if one of the other executables have the same magic number or if you need to add either another magic number or extend the magic a bit to include more bytes.
14:05<thopiekar>need to add them to..
14:05<thopiekar>just made the check
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14:05<Skyrider>:-\
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14:05<Skyrider>Still not working..
14:05<Skyrider>Even when I reset the password
14:05<thopiekar>stderr: how do you get the \xCF\xFA\xED\xFE of my outputs?
14:05<blast007>Skyrider: what exactly isn't working?
14:06<Skyrider>logging into SQL.
14:06<stderr>thopiekar: 00000000 cf fa ed fe 07 00 00 01 ... The 00000000 is the offset. The cf fa ed fe is \xCF\xFA...
14:06<Skyrider>Ever since I altered one of the users server from localhost, to an IP address
14:06<blast007>Skyrider: that's far too vague. we can't see your screen. we don't know what commands you are typing or what output they generate.
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14:06<Skyrider>I can no longer login.
14:07<Skyrider>I understand that :p
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14:07<blast007>Skyrider: have you tried connecting with the command line 'mysql' command?
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14:07<thopiekar>stderr: aah ok :)
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14:08<Skyrider>I have, same access denied message I'm afraid.
14:08<thopiekar>can I add multiple entries to one binfmt config-file?
14:08<thopiekar>stderr: ^
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14:08<thopiekar>do you know that?
14:08<blast007>Skyrider: what command did you run?
14:08<Skyrider>Does MySQL has the option besides setting the username & password, you can set a server as well for that user?
14:08<undead>SynrG: blacklist mei_me really hepls :) thanks you
14:08<Skyrider>The one linked to me.
14:08<blast007>Skyrider: I mean, exactly, what did you type?
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14:09<SynrG>undead: super!
14:09<stderr>thopiekar: I don't know. I don't use binfmt (yet). :-)
14:09<Skyrider>update user set Password=PASSWORD('new-password-here') WHERE User='root';
14:09<Skyrider>Of course, I altered the password where new-password-here is displaying.
14:10<Skyrider>Shell mentioned 2 rows were affected.
14:10<thopiekar>stderr: ok :)
14:10<Skyrider>And were changed.
14:10<Skyrider>So I assume, it would work
14:10<blast007>Skyrider: provide all of the terminal output including the commands you ran and post it at http://paste.debian.net
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14:11<blast007>Skyrider: oh, and when you connected back to mysql resetting the password, did you do it with 'mysql -u root -p' ?
14:12<Skyrider>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/bbc3b088/
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14:13<Skyrider>I have noticed "not closed cleanly."
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14:13<Skyrider>at the bottom.
14:14<Skyrider>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/af4f49cc/
14:14<Skyrider>As you can see.
14:14<Skyrider>I think the problem is "'root'@'localhost'" <-- localhost.
14:14<Skyrider>I altered the server/host to an IP.. it is no longer localhost.
14:15<Skyrider>Seeing I have no access to the IP either, it's locking me out
14:15<stderr>--host 127.0.0.1 or whatever
14:16<Skyrider>Is there a way for me to force a server alteration on a mysql user?
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14:16<Skyrider>to move it back to localhost
14:17<stderr>You mean like the --host I just wrote about?
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14:19<Skyrider>Not sure how to use that exactly as a full command
14:20<Skyrider>I assume mysql --u username --host ?
14:20<Skyrider>I'm still new to this honestly..
14:20<Skyrider>Just got myself a debian VPS 2 days ago.
14:20<stderr>Yes.
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14:21<youcker>hello
14:21*youcker
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14:22<Skyrider>Ugh...
14:22<Skyrider>Should have thought of this earlier, thank you..
14:22<Skyrider>127.0.0.1 works
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14:23<Skyrider>odd that localhost doesn't work
14:24<petn-randall>Hi, my menu of available networks in network-manager is rather small and thus it has an unnecesary scrollbar. Any idea how to fix this?
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14:25<youcker>+i
14:26<thopiekar>stderr: got all three kinds of bins working here ;)
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14:26<Skyrider>Ty
14:26<Skyrider>Altered the host of the user from 127.0.0.1 back to localhost
14:26<Skyrider>website is back online <3 yay
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14:30<stderr>thopiekar: Great.
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14:38<Skyrider>Meh... great
14:38<Skyrider> unknown variable 'pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid' <- when I attempt to use mysql command
14:38<Skyrider>then again
14:39<Skyrider>I think I know why...
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14:51<Skyrider>Anyone here familiar with sourcebans?
14:51<petn-randall>!ask
14:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:54<that_guy>I'm building a package and lintian is giving me 'extended-description-line-too-long' despite all lines being < 80 char
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14:55<that_guy>oh wait, I might be looking in the wrong file
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15:09<gius>hi all
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15:10<gius>someone helping about Xfce desktop?
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15:11<sakax>!ask
15:11<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
15:12<gius>i want to order my Xfce desktop icons alphabeticcally. any help?
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15:13<sakax>the icons on the desktop?
15:13<gius>yes
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15:14<sakax>just drag and drop these in alphabetical order :)
15:15<sakax>the correct order is A / B / C / D / ... :D
15:16<gius>they are about 1 hundred... i wonder if is it possible to sort them autom.
15:16<gius>sakas...:D
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15:17<mtn>gius: most desktop will show the available options with a right click on the desktop. kde has a sort by name option, don't know about xfce
15:17<gius>mnt: u r right
15:18<linuxator>;)
15:18<gius>i googled for it, but i found nothing
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15:19<sakax>xfce does not have such 'icon arrange' feature available by default
15:19<sakax>but you can add a script in the right click menu to do such action
15:19<sakax>you will have to google it
15:19<sakax>why do you have 100 icons on your desktop? how many screens are you using? :)
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15:20<gius>only 1
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15:22<gius>they are mostly folder and files wich i currently use.
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15:24<gius>sakas: howto add script?
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15:26<terrible>hi i have problem the system leave me in the runlevel 3 i cant get the xserver work any help debian squeeze
15:26<valdyn>!runlevel
15:26<dpkg>0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (there are no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. See also http://debian-administration.org/articles/212, <startup>, <file-rc>, <single-user mode>.
15:26<valdyn>terrible: ^^^
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15:27<Skyrider>Curious..
15:27<Skyrider>if I have the proper code for htaccess (converted to nginx) where do I put it?
15:28<mtn>terrible: https://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard
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15:28<terrible>valdyn: the problem is i cant get the graphical interface
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15:29<mtn>terrible: yes, check out the web site
15:29<terrible>mtn: how can i restore or reinstall the graphical interface
15:29<mtn>terrible: https://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard
15:29<mtn>terrible: was it working? what did you do to make it stop working then?
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15:31<terrible>mtn: nothing just reboot the system then that happend
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15:31<mtn>terrible: well, then I would follow the wiki and see if it helps
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15:32<mtn>terrible: and I assume you rebooted again before coming here, right?
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15:33<terrible>mtn: now i dont have grapgical interface i usin irssi chat in runlevel 3
15:33<valdyn>terrible: why are you talking about runlevel 3?
15:33<mtn>terrible: there are non gui web browsers. links or w3m, etc.
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15:35<Skyrider>How in the world do I enable mod_rewrite on nginx
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15:36<terrible>mtn: yes i can use links but i dont find nothing i try dpkg-reconfigure gdm it doesnt work and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg nothing
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15:37<allen>Is mysqld process standard on Debian and/or why is it running? I have it running but to my knowledge am not doing anything with mysql
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15:42<natm>allen: you probably installed mysql-server at some point.
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15:42<natm>allen: "apt-cache policy mysql-server" should tell you for sure.
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15:44<Jedrek>hi, I installed Debian few days ago and I can say anything about it but not that it's stable - it won't last more than 10 or 15 minutes without freezing, what should I do? It's the latest testing release installed with netinstall USB.
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15:44<Jedrek>I installed also fglrx, cairo dock and CodeBlocks IDE
15:45<valdyn>Jedrek: find out what exactly in your computer is broken
15:45<mtn>Jedrek: testing is NOT stable
15:45<allen>natm: It says "Installed: (none)" on both my Ubuntu and Debian distros. Not sure why it is running on both but I don't know how to use mysql so I wouldn't have installed it intentionally.
15:45<valdyn>Jedrek: and its probably not debian
15:45<Jedrek>i run also Win 8.1 on the same machine and it's perfectly stable, everything works great
15:45<valdyn>Jedrek: first thing is i would remove fglrx
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15:47<Jedrek>valdyn, ok, I'll try to do it
15:47<terrible>how can i reconfigure the xserver in debian squeeze
15:47<terrible>??
15:47<valdyn>terrible: what do you want to do exactly?
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15:47<Jedrek>thanks, brb
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15:48<terrible>valdyn: restore the graphical interface
15:48<valdyn>terrible: thats quite vague
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15:48<valdyn>terrible: someone gave you a website - > read it
15:49<terrible>valdyn: but there have to be a way to reconfigure the graphical enterface something like dpkg-reconfigure
15:49<valdyn>terrible: no there is not
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15:50<mtn>terrible: it all depends on what you did and you say you didn't do anything, so how can we help but to tell you to start at the beginning?
15:50<terrible>valdyn: ok but when the xserver doesnt work what are the opcion??
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15:50<mtn>terrible: do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
15:50<chrisb_>how can i do the equivalent of debuild -uc -us in git-buildpackage?
15:51<valdyn>terrible: its not possible to tell you how to fix something when you cannot describe something so i will keep answering in very vague terms: Read the log files and fix the errors
15:51<terrible>mtn: in debian squeeze that file doesnt exit
15:51<mtn>terrible: does it exist on YOUR computer?
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15:51*mtn wonders if terrible wants help or not
15:52<terrible>mtn: well i dont have that file
15:52<mtn>terrible: ok, good
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15:53<valdyn>terrible: what happens when you run "startx" ?
15:53<terrible>valdyn: var/log said fatal server error failed to activate core devices
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15:53<valdyn>terrible: paraphrasing errors is not useful, give the whole error.
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15:55<terrible>mtn: startx give xinit no such file or directory errno 2 unable to connect to x server
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15:56<valdyn>terrible: so xorg is not properly installed
15:56<valdyn>terrible: "apt-get install xorg"
15:56<terrible>valdyn: how can i copy or paste here the log file i un runlevel 3 no graphical interface
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15:56<valdyn>!pastewithoutx
15:56<mtn>heh
15:56<dpkg>Install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://paste.debian.net; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://paste.debian.net/ ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin pipe>
15:57<valdyn>terrible: youre probably not running debian, most certainly not running debian/stable and removed X on some unknown "apt-get dist-upgrade" ?
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15:58<terrible>valdyn: xorg is already at the newest version
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16:03<mtn>terrible: what does "uname -a" give you?
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16:04<terrible>mtn: kernel 2.6.32-5-686
16:04<allen>natm: think I got it now. KDE uses akonadi which uses mysql, so that's why it's running
16:04<mtn>terrible: should say a lot more than that
16:06<natm>allen: interesting.
16:06<terrible>mtn: linux debian 2.6.32-5-686 SMP mon sep 23 23:00:18 utc 213 i686 gnu/linux
16:07<mtn>terrible: you will just have to fix your xorg or reinstall. time to upgrade, anyway :)
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16:08<terrible>mtn: that is what i want fix xorg
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16:09<mtn>terrible: yes, we know, but we don't know how to help you. first thing to do is use the wiki link I gave you.
16:10<terrible>mtn: can you post the link again
16:10<mtn>terrible: https://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard
16:10<terrible>mtn: let take a look
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16:13<terrible>mtn: another thing how can i copy the log file and send it to you in the terminal cause i in runlevel 3
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16:14<mtn>terrible: you already were told how to do that. sorry.
16:14<mtn>terrible: you seem to miss most of what we tell you.
16:14<Italo>hello all
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16:40<blast007>Skyrider: mod_rewrite is an Apache module. You'd have to write new rules for nginx. http://nginx.org/en/docs/http/converting_rewrite_rules.html
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16:41<jamesmd>Hello!
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16:55<zztop14>hola
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16:55<jamesmd>Hello
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16:55<Skyrider>hi
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16:57<jamesmd>whats up
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17:06<luigi>hi
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17:08<luigi_>sorry
17:08<luigi_>there's anyone here?
17:08<SiriusLi>im here
17:08<luigi_>i0ve launched
17:08<luigi_>x chat
17:08-!-netsach [~netsach@46.246.49.244] has joined #debian
17:08<luigi_>from my xubuntu pc
17:08-!-quazifarhan [~farhan@180.234.188.223] has joined #debian
17:08<luigi_>and this chat was opened
17:08<jamesmd>im here :)
17:09<luigi_>what is it?
17:09<SiriusLi>ive got linux mint 15 fired up, myself.
17:09<jamesmd>on a debian LEB with 64Mb RAM :)
17:09<SiriusLi>irssi.
17:09<jamesmd>Openbox + Xchat + xrdp :)
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17:09<luigi_>i do not understand XD
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17:10<luigi_>is this a chat about linux?
17:10<jamesmd>yes
17:10<luigi_>ah ok
17:10<SiriusLi>specifically, debian.
17:10<luigi_>good
17:11<luigi_>i0ve just installed xubuntu
17:11<jamesmd>What do you guys do then
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17:11<luigi_>and i was trying
17:11<luigi_>programmes
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17:11<jamesmd>sure he can be let off with ubuntu, tbf it is debian based haha
17:11<luigi_>bye
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17:22<m0le>good morning
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17:24<jamesmd>its night here :) but morning!
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17:24<m0le>yep, how are u anyway?
17:24<jamesmd>not to bad, yourself
17:24<m0le>i'm good.
17:25<m0le>little tired only
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17:25<jamesmd>same, been working all day
17:25<m0le>yep.
17:25<m0le>mee to.
17:25<m0le>studiyng
17:25<m0le>but!
17:25-!-Jackamo [~tankbro@67.41.23.208] has joined #debian
17:25<m0le>always beer is cold
17:25<m0le>;-)
17:25<jamesmd>true :)
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17:27<jamesmd>Im just playing around on this VPS having 64MB RAM really forces you to optimize things lol
17:27<Italo>how may I use cups to print ? now with openoffice I'm printing strange code like /.notdef
17:27<m0le>wow.
17:27<m0le>nice
17:27<m0le>today i was playing on amiga 4000, man
17:28<jamesmd>got openbox, xterm, xchat and a squid proxy running on it
17:28<jamesmd>oh awesome!
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17:29<m0le>yep
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17:38<blubberdiblub>m0le, my amiga 600 was what got me into debian, back then, about 13 years ago
17:38<m0le>nice, man
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17:38<m0le>ive got also ZX spectrum in my home
17:38<m0le>so
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17:43<Italo>how to set the default demon printer ?
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17:44<m0le>-.-
17:44<m0le>'
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17:47<viwal>good evening :) please quisk question...Is there some special debian server image ? or is't only one image for server & workstation ?
17:48<stderr>One.
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17:48<viwal>ok so if I will download debian. it's server dist
17:48<viwal>not such as Archlinux for example
17:48<stderr>Yes... And desktop... And router... And ...
17:49<stderr>It all depends on the packages you install.
17:49<viwal>ok I was just confused from other distros
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17:50<rebli>when I plug in an usb disk, who is responsible for the creation of the mounting point /media/SomeDiskName?
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17:51<jamesmd>fdisk -l, find the disk mkdir /mnt/mountname mount /dev/disk /mnt/mountname
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17:54<rebli>jamesmd: I was thinking to udev but I cannot determine the rule/script that create the mount point with a dynamic name
17:56<jamesmd>oh right haha
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18:04<ckosloff>How can I see which groups are already in the system
18:04<ckosloff>?
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18:05<LtL>ckosloff: cat /etc/group
18:06<LtL>ckosloff: thats on squeeze, wheezy might be 'groups' not sure
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18:09<LtL>ckosloff: thats a terminal command, gnome should have users and groups in the admin menu
18:09<ckosloff>Ltl: first option is correct, I use KDE no such thing there
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18:10<LtL>ckosloff: i used KDE years ago, shame it doesn't have that.
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18:11<ckosloff>Ltl, now I need to add my user to group www-data, I think that syntax is adduser user:www-data , right?
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18:11<LtL>ckosloff: omit the colon, adduser $USER group
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18:12<LtL>ckosloff: your syntax would be consistant with the chown command.
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18:12<ckosloff>Ltl, understood, all done now, thanks a lot
18:13<LtL>ckosloff: my pleasure
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18:29<quietone>hi, how do I mount abc.img? It should be a disk image from an XP machine but I don't know how it was made
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18:31<quietone>I only get the 'wrong fs type....' error msg from mount
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18:33<Ninor>mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0
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18:40<quietone>Ninor, thx, but still the same error
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18:42<quietone>i've tried vfat, ntfs, ext2, ext3, msdos as well
18:43<stderr>quietone: Try file abc.img first.
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18:44<Nitrogeno>hello
18:44<quietone>stderr, I don't understand
18:44<quietone>"mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop0=/dev/loop0 abc.img /mnt/oldimage/"
18:44<Nitrogeno>anybody can imagine why the windows turn black after some minuts using my computer?
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18:45<stderr>The command "file" might be able to tell you what kind of image, it is.
18:45<Nitrogeno>using debian+kde4
18:45<quietone>stderr, x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x7, active, starthead 1, startsector 63, 604724337 sectors; partition 2: ID=0x7, starthead 239, startsector 604724400, 20412000 sectors
18:46<stderr>quietone: Sounds like a dump of the entire disk, not just a partition.
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18:50<ckosloff>Nitrogeno: this is just power management in Settings -> System Settings
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18:53<stderr>quietone: I don't think mount has options for setting the offset and size of a loop mount, but you could use losetup to make the loop device yourself (with --offset and --sizelimit) and then mount the loop device(s).
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18:55<stderr>quietone: startsector 63 => 63*512 = 32256, so --offset 32256 604724337 sectors * 512 bytes = 309618860544, so --sizelimt 309618860544 and then maybe --read-only too.
18:56<blubberdiblub>modprobing "loop" with max_part=16 or something might be easier and less error prone
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19:07<quietone>stderr, thank you! It is now mounted.
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20:45<adamu>Hello
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21:01<entedas>Why does http://packages.debian.org/jessie/samba have a hard dependency on http://packages.debian.org/jessie/python-samba when e.g., samba3 didn't?
21:02<entedas>And what would break by running samba4 without python-samba somehow
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21:07<entedas>(e.g., creating an empty package which named python-samba which satisfies that dep and has a major version number > 4 to not be replaced with the 'real' python-samba)
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21:10<gsimmons>entedas: According to the samba package changelog, python-samba is a requirement for Samba 4's testparm.
21:11<alumno>hola
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21:11<entedas>gsimmons: ah, that's probably better not to break. Still, brining in all of Python 2.x for that (I've kept that machine 3.x only)...
21:12<entedas>*bringing
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22:00<picuntu-u01>hi, new to here!
22:01<picuntu-u01>can I ask how to call up the virtual keyboard "onboard" in the initial login page?
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