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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-11-16

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01:37<uso>hi, what additional packages do I have to install to get the legacy nvidia driver?
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01:41<uso>I have installed nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver, which got me 129MB (!) of additional dependencies, have tried to install nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms, also have tried to install nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-source, but it still seems not to build the kernel module
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01:54<vincent_c>uso: do you have dkms and the linux-headers package corresponding to your current kernel, installed?
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01:56<uso>vincent_c: yes, I even have the kernel sources installed now
01:57<uso>it does complain about missing sources, not sure what sources, kernel or nvidia
01:57<vincent_c>you sure you have the correct headers package installed? try apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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01:58<uso>vincent_c: shouldn't it depend on that anyway, when it needs it?
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01:59<vincent_c>dkms only recommends linux-headers, not depends on it
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02:02<ip0is0nw3b>Favourite wireless cracking tool?
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02:04<niko_20010>WTHF?
02:06<uso>guess I'm going to downgrade ...
02:06<uso>usually the nvidia mess in wheezy or jessy gets fixed after a week or two
02:07<uso>sad, the nvidia driver handling was so much easier in squeeze :(
02:08<themill>it was the same
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02:09<uso>themill: no, in squeeze you only had to install a meta package for the driver and it just worked
02:10<themill>the dependencies and packages are the same
02:10<uso>not dozens of megabytes of additional dependencies only to build a small kernel module yourself
02:10<niko_20010>uso, themill: on gentoo it is even worse ATM
02:11<niko_20010>you are lucky to use debian
02:11<uso>niko_20010: maybe, but debian used to be a binary distribution
02:11<niko_20010>i know
02:11<uso>if I would have installed gebtoo I would have expected to build the module myself
02:11<niko_20010>yes
02:11<Zaba>well, blame linux for not having a stable ABI
02:12<Zaba>the distributions work around that the best they can
02:12<niko_20010>uso: portage does that for you
02:12<themill>the nvidia modules have only been offered in this way for several releases
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02:12<themill>Zaba: or better, blame secret source software that is not in the kernel
02:12<uso>yes, and debian did well in that, until squeeze, b ut screwed up things on wheezy
02:13<themill>no. this is the same
02:13<Zaba>themill, don't see how that's better, but whatever
02:15<niko_20010>i remember times when the nvidia blob was of much higher quality than now...
02:16<uso>themill: I never had to build the nvidia module myself in squeeze, squeeze had binary packages for the nvidia driver, just as for anything else
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02:28<mosconsco>hello
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03:44<wolfgang_>I just installed debian for the first time ever a few hours ago, and it doesnt recognise that my mic exists at all, it works in ubuntu 13.10, and windows.
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03:44<Grapes>what are you looking in to check if your mic exists?
03:44<wolfgang_>alsa mixer
03:45<Grapes>hmm i dont know that program... let me look it up xD
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03:45<niko_20010>Grapes: it is called alsamixer
03:45<wolfgang_>Its one of the default audio plugins, you open the terminal and type "alsamixer"
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03:46<Grapes>didnt even know i had
03:46<Grapes>running crunchbang but not using any mics so wasnt worried
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03:47<wolfgang_>maybe I should try to install to install pavucontrol?
03:47<wolfgang_>and why am I not in the sudoers file? I have to open the root terminal to do anything
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03:48<wolfgang_>im just to used to ubuntu.
03:49<wolfgang_>Well, in pavucontrol my mic is there, but its not taking in any audio.
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03:50<wolfgang_>Does anyone here know how to get it working?
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03:51<wolfgang_>i really like debian so far, but if I cant use my mic debian is worthless, and I cant use it in ubuntu 12.04 either, I have spent to much time on that and gave up.
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03:54<wolfgang_>?
03:55<helmut_>Hallo
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03:56<jake> HI
03:56<musca>hello helmut_, please speak english or find the german support in #debian.de
03:57<wolfgang_>How can i get my mic working in debian?
03:57<helmut_>ok
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04:01<wolfgang_>Does debian support compiz?
04:02<linuxator>wolfgang_, yes https://wiki.debian.org/Compiz
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04:03<linuxator>and about your mic, search for drivers maybe what's problem exactly?
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04:03<wolfgang_>It wont pick up any noise I make
04:04<wolfgang_>Where do I update my drivers?
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04:05<Janquel>hola algien me puede ayudar
04:05<linuxator>!es
04:05<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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04:06<wolfgang_>linuxator, Where do I update my drivers?
04:06<linuxator>Janquel, english or for your language /join #debian-es
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04:07<linuxator>wolfgang_, most hardware dont need(autorecognized from debian). You have to check what model is you mic
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04:08<wolfgang_>linuxator, Well its integrated, so I would have to looks up my computer, but they dont make it anymore, so I dont know if I can find the mic model
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04:10<wolfgang_>I cant find it, the only ones I can find have the same name and everything but different hardware.
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04:12<linuxator>wolfgang_, check the above https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Sound might helps
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05:35<fanto666>hello, what's the purpose of lib64* libraries on 32-bit debian?
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05:51<linuxator>fanto666, those are libraries for 64bit if you are on 32bit you don't need 'em.
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05:52<fanto666>so why are they in 32bit distribution?
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05:57<linuxator>fanto666, can you give an example? maybe download a file for installation that have "all in one" so you have to choose?
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06:31<kampmannpeine>hello
06:32<kampmannpeine>anybody here who knows about installation of wheezy on a raid1 system?
06:33<kampmannpeine>raid1 build by bios LSI
06:33<kampmannpeine>not software raid
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06:35<linuxator>kampmannpeine, is it hardware raid?
06:35<kampmannpeine>??? anybody could read the above
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06:39<kampmannpeine>is here any specialist on raid1 and debian wheezy installation
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06:44<kampmannpeine>When installing wheezy on a SATA Raid1 system, the partitioning utility does not show the previously installed partitions only "RAID1"
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06:45<kampmannpeine>it should also show the various Raid1-partitions made beforehand.
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06:46<fanto666>linuxator: i mean, why do lib64* packages appear in 32-bit wheezy?
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06:46<fanto666>kampmannpeine raid1 built by BIOS should appear as separate drive
06:47<fanto666>...by RAID HW
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06:47<kampmannpeine>should buy did not
06:47<fanto666>do you see the /dev/sda drive?
06:47<kampmannpeine>moreover it destroyed the bios settings
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06:49<papa>ЗЩШ
06:49<fanto666>which BIOS settings?
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06:49<kampmannpeine>@fanto666: yes - and I tried the suse rescue system (vers. 12.1) and it shows 2 disk with identical partitionings
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06:50<valdyn>kampmannpeine: tell us which controller this is - looks like software raid
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06:51<valdyn>kampmannpeine: and please skip the @ when adressing someone
06:51<kampmannpeine> @fanto666: what bios settings you mean: it is a fujitsu primergy wth 2 disks of 500 GB each
06:52<kampmannpeine>ok_!
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06:52<kampmannpeine>no further @ sign :)
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06:54<kampmannpeine>valdyn: I duno the controller --- SATA - I am not sure
06:54<valdyn>kampmannpeine: "lspci" should show it
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06:54<valdyn>kampmannpeine: this is supposed to be a pure linux system, right, now dual boot with windows?
06:55<kampmannpeine>aha. bity
06:55<kampmannpeine>wait
06:56<kampmannpeine>no dual boot --- anyway the boot block is destroyed - I can only boot the Suse rescue system
06:56<kampmannpeine>wait I will reboot the rescue system
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06:58<kampmannpeine>it is not a software raid it comes with the hardware bios (setting with <ctrl>M)
06:59<fanto666><kampmannpeine> moreover it destroyed the bios settings
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06:59<fanto666>destroyed ALL BIOS settings?
06:59<kampmannpeine>not all only the ones pertaining to raid1
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07:00<weasel>is it a real hw raid,
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07:00<fanto666>kampmannpeine: some software RAIDs look like hardware RAIDs. mostly those cheap ones.
07:00<weasel>or is it one of these crappy bios raids?
07:00<weasel>if the latter, don't use it and stick to linux's software raid
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07:01<labzir>hi
07:02<kampmannpeine>Raid controller: it is INTEL 82801 IR/IO sata raid rev 02
07:02<labzir>znatoki! podskazjite kak zastavitj rabotatj xorg.conf?
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07:05<kampmannpeine>it says: ICH 9R/DO
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07:06<valdyn>kampmannpeine: thats software raid
07:06<valdyn>kampmannpeine: youre better off not using the raid bios at all
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07:07<valdyn>kampmannpeine: but thats also not LSI as you were mentioning earlier
07:07<kampmannpeine> fanto666_ normally the raid1-device shows up before any software is loaded from disk --- in other words: it is hardware (bios)
07:08<valdyn>kampmannpeine: it showed up as 2 seperate disks / partitions in suse rescue, thats plenty evidence
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07:08<kampmannpeine>this seems difficult, because I have a huge amount of data on the disk and wanted just make an upgrade from lenny to wheezy
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07:09<kampmannpeine>and I have on both disks the same partitioning and the same data (raid1)+
07:09<valdyn>kampmannpeine: so?
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07:12<kampmannpeine>valdyn: what you mean by "so?"
07:12<kampmannpeine>so what?
07:12<valdyn>kampmannpeine: we cant guess your system or your plans - you asked about your raid -> you get answers about your raid. We dont know about any upgrade plans of yours
07:13<kampmannpeine>ok<<<<-
07:14<themill>(of course we do know that you can't just upgrade from lenny to wheezy -- you need to go via squeeze)
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07:15<kampmannpeine>again: I was using lenny for about 2 years now and this with the hardware raid1 on a fujitsu primergy- now I wanted to make an upgrade to wheezy and this does not recognize the various partition on my raid1 system
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07:15<valdyn>kampmannpeine: it is not hardware raid as we just determined
07:16<kampmannpeine>aha, so you say the Intel 82801 is not hardware??
07:16<valdyn>kampmannpeine: i never said that
07:16<valdyn>!sata raid
07:16<dpkg>"Multidisk Device" (MD) is commonly used to describe the software <RAID> facilities available in the Linux kernel. To establish a software RAID array at Debian installation time, see section 6.3.3.4 of the <install guide>. See also <mdadm>. http://wiki.debian.org/SoftwareRAID http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html http://raid.wiki.kernel.org/
07:18<valdyn>kampmannpeine: "clever" marketing and a partitioning tool in the bios does not make a hardware raid
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07:19<kampmannpeine>during installation of wheezy I get: one partition (huge) on raid, and on the 2 scsi-devices the other smaller partitions on 2 scsi-disks-
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07:21<kampmannpeine>hM valdyn: how then I get my smaller raid partitions back (be it hw or sw)
07:22<kampmannpeine>??
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07:23<kampmannpeine>looking at the scsi disks with the rescue system of suse shows: the data on the partitions have NOT vanished
07:25<kampmannpeine>but they are double - on each scsi disk the same partitions and data- question is: how do I "unite" them under raid1
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07:25<kampmannpeine>when installing wheezy?
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07:28<kampmannpeine>fanto666 and valdyn: any ideas??
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07:28<Transparent>Hello
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07:30<ganeshp>Hi all, I am using wheezy amd64 on my home desktop. Everything except Aisleriot Solitaire seem to be working fine. Solitaire crashes during load. Was looking for help to fix this.
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07:31<devil>ganeshp: where did you get it from?
07:32<kampmannpeine>fanto666 and valdyn: btw: it is debian - i386
07:33<ganeshp>@devil: In GUI mode it never loads. So tried loading it from terminal. I see some error messages
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07:33<devil>ganeshp: where did you get it from?
07:33<ganeshp>@devil: In GUI mode it never loads. So tried loading it from terminal. I see some error messages
07:33<kampmannpeine>fanto666 and valdyn: also: when I said sw raid I meant raid created by debian wheezy
07:33<devil>ganeshp: where did you get the app from?
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07:34<ganeshp>@devil: I installed it from Synaptic Package Manager
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07:34<devil>oh, I could not find it in debian
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07:34<devil>pastebin the errors please
07:34<ganeshp>@devil: in fact it came installed by default. I tried reinstalling through synaptics
07:34<devil>and tell me what the correct package name is
07:35<ganeshp>@devil: package name as per synaptics is aisleriot
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07:36<bluewater>aisleriot - GNOME solitaire card game collection,,,,,
07:36<ganeshp>It is a standalone package in wheezy.
07:37<devil>ganeshp: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=+%23728687
07:38<ganeshp>@devil: here is the link http://pastebin.com/i131qYP7
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07:38<devil>is that your bugreport?
07:39<ganeshp>I had filed bug report few days ago. And the link shared by you is the same one.
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07:39<devil>ok, I for sure cannot help with that, never even seen the app, gotta wait for the maintainer probably
07:39<ganeshp>Ok thanks.
07:41<ganeshp>One more issue I am facing is with internet connectivity. I see the home broadband internet network suddenly slows down or gets disconnected. Especially while connecting to websites through browser, it takes long to resolve the website address
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07:42<ganeshp>I did some search in google and found few others facing similar issue advising to disable ipv6 features. I am not sure whether in my case ipv6 is causing the issue
07:42<kampmannpeine>fanto666 and valdyn: thanks anyway ...
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07:44<devil>ganeshp: give it a try, not unlikely it's the cause
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07:50<ganeshp>@devil: thank you for your time & advise.
07:50<devil>yw
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07:53<arand>When setting up encrypted partitions on an ssd disk, it's pointless to let it overwrite the partition with random data first?
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07:54<valdyn>arand: why would it be any more pointless than on harddisks?
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07:59<arand>valdyn: since it's more uncertain that you will write the actual data to the same place?
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08:02<valdyn>arand: you write the whole ssd, except for "spare" blocks. Not really different than what you would do on a harddisk
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08:10<arand>valdyn: Ah right, but I was talking about per-partition overwrite, instead of whole-disk.
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08:20<joba524>Hola
08:20<joba524>acabo de compilar kernel 3.12
08:20<joba524>y anda muy bien, solo mi USB esta huerfano de controlador
08:21<joba524>alguien pordria ayudarme?
08:21<SynrG>!es
08:21<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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08:22<joba524>ok, thank
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08:22<valdyn>arand: still equally useful i think
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08:23<valdyn>arand: overwrite on ssd is just useless to safely destroy data, not what you want to do
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08:35<joba524>Hi, i compiled the kernel 3.12 and it work all good, the main question es what driver is necesary for USB 3.1 and how install it
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08:37<valdyn>theres no 3.1 devices yet, is there even a driver?
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08:38<joba524>USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #1 (rev 04) (prog-if 20 [EHCI])
08:38<valdyn>or what could be the point of loading such a driver when you cant have a device
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08:38<joba524>sorry
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08:39<valdyn>joba524: usb 3.0 would be the module xhci_hcd
08:39<joba524>the lspci show
08:39<valdyn>but you dont have to mess with this manually if you compiled a proper kernel
08:39<joba524>Ok and how install
08:39<valdyn>joba524: "modprobe xhci_hcd"
08:39<joba524>ok
08:39<bzed>joba524: use a debian kernel if you have no clue about such things :)
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08:40<valdyn>joba524: this happens automatically
08:41<joba524>now, SMbus not show an driver in lspci, what is the driver of it
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08:42<valdyn>joba524: smbus is not pci
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08:44<valdyn>Kernel driver in use: i801_smbus
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08:45<joba524>yes, i complile the kernel and work all, only lack is driver the USB
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08:48<joba524>how to compile the kernel to enter the controller
08:48<joba524>USB
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08:57<joba524>thank
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09:57<questor>hi, i have Debian Wheezy installed on my ThinkPad E-531, when i reboot or poweroff system as root from console, there's a beep from speakers, i founded a lot of ways how to disable it. but nothing work ok. When i mute that beep, my sound is muted every time i boot.
09:57<questor>Does someone have any idea how to solve that? Blacklisting pcspkr didn't work. Muting in alsamixer didn't work too.
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09:59<babilen>dpkg: bell
09:59<dpkg>To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>, <metacity bell bug>.
10:00<babilen>questor: I never had to endure another beep with a combination of ^^^
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10:03<questor>bablien: and do I have to run xset b off or setterm -blength 0 as root?
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10:07<babilen>questor: no, you don't
10:08<babilen>questor: I have "set bell-style none" in my ~/.inputrc too
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10:10<dario^CIP>hi
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10:11<dario^CIP>how do i contact the maintainer of the http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb unofficial debian mirror?
10:11<questor>I tried that, "setterm -blength 0" and uncomment line "set bell-style none" in inputrc, but when i switch to root and execute reboot, bell still sounds
10:12<dario^CIP>https://wiki.debian.org/UnofficialRepositories only has deb-urls, no mail or anyting :/
10:13<babilen>dario^CIP: That repository has nothing to do with Debian. You would have to contact Google about that (good luck with that)
10:14<dario^CIP>yah, i know.. the "(good luck with that)" part is where i'm stuck ;)
10:14<babilen>questor: And pcspkr is blacklisted (not loaded) and you've also muted the bell in "alsamixer" and (if applicable) in pavucontrol too?
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10:14<dario^CIP>thought somebody might have experiences/advice
10:15<babilen>dario^CIP: It really has nothing to do with us. I can't think of a good way to contact the maintainer apart from filing a bug with them, but then neither is chrome in Debian nor is Debian Google, so ...
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10:17<questor>yep pcspkr is blacklisted and beep muted, and somehow, my thinkpad beeped even when i wanted to go to bios, now it's gone, it beeps only when i want to change power state
10:19<questor>but, I guess, when is notebook in mode that i can go to bios, it has nothing to do with system setting, doesn't it? Sorry for my bad english, I hope it's at least understandable
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10:20<babilen>questor: thinkpads beep for certain actions, but that has nothing to do with Debian but has to be configured in the BIOS. Are you sure you turned everything off there?
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10:21<babilen>e.g. I had to endure *horrible* beeping whenever the battery got low before I turned that off :)
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10:22<raku>Hi there, I have a problem booting. (Someone maybe know how to fix it so putting it out there). Installing and booting Debian with one GPU ( I have two GTX 660 GPUs) works. But after installing and replacing the second graphics card the boot just hangs after saying something along the lines of "init table command not found 0xA9". Does anybody know how to fix this?
10:22<raku>(So sorry for the wall of text)
10:23<raku>It appears to be a problem with the nouveau drivers.
10:23<questor>It never beeped when my battery was off, and yes, I'm sure about setting we discussed here. What I'm not sure, what else I've tried and set up, bud I can make fresh install and write when I'll have new fresh installed system. I was going to reinstall it in about week, becasue i have only 32bit and i want to go 64bit. So i doesn't affect me when i reinstall it now.
10:24<babilen>raku: Does it work if you install the nvidia driver as detailed on https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers ?
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10:25<raku>babilen, Not sure, about to boot the rescue CD chroot in and install them.
10:25<raku>But there has to be reason doesn't there? Do the nouveau drivers not support multiple GPUs?
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10:26<babilen>raku: I honestly have no idea. You might want to ask nouveau upstream about it.
10:26<babilen>dpkg: tell raku -about nouveau
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10:27<babilen>raku: The question was simply: Is this problem specific to nouveau or more general as it happens with the nvidia drvierivers too?
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10:29<raku>babilen, Okay thanks. I'll try the proprietary drivers then twiddle my thumbs if it doesn't work.
10:29<raku>Have a great day everyone!
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10:58<timo_>I need some help, I tried to upgrade from wheezy (stable) to testing, now I have tty1 on boot. I want gnome, how to activate it?
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10:59<timo_>ctrl + alt + F7 or F8 shows nothing.
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11:06<zumbi>timo_: apt-get install gnome does not work? also try #debian-next for non-stable support
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11:08<Arrowmaster>aptitude install task-gnome-desktop is better
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11:09<timo_>I think I am missing a driver for my ati radeon
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11:09<timo_>gnome is installed
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11:10<timo_>Oh, ok. radeon is blacklisted, but configured in X11 :T
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11:11<timo_>I think I'll unblacklist it and reboot.
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11:46<questor>Do you guys have a little delay when booting up between list of what is being started and loading to gnome and during this delay is tty login shown? Debian Wheezy
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11:49<valdyn>questor: what is your init system?
11:50<questor>valdyn: excuse me, what do you mean by init system?
11:50<valdyn>questor: happens when the inittab is started before *dm
11:50<valdyn>questor: if you dont know then you have sysvinit on debian
11:50<questor>valdyn: aha, so it doesn't indicate any problem or something like that
11:51<valdyn>questor: nope
11:51<questor>valdyn: good, and .. can it be emilinated? I tried to search google but I don't even know what to search
11:51<valdyn>questor: now if you have a dependency based init system then alot more strange startup reorderings can happen
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11:52<valdyn>questor: why eliminate it?
11:53<valdyn>questor: naturally it can be eminitated, but i cant help you with it.
11:54<questor>valdyn: wow, to be honest ... I don't know, sorry. Simply I don't like it
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11:54<questor>valdyn: but I'll survive it now, when i know it not a problem ;) thanks
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12:10<roberto>Hello if i crat a new member, can the member use the printer direktli?
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12:11<valdyn>renols: "user" you mean
12:12<valdyn>roberto: ^^
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12:12<valdyn>roberto: by default any user cant print
12:12<valdyn>roberto: by default any user *can* print
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12:44<juxi>hey gays
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12:47<ruslan>hi
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12:53<questor>Hi, when I reboot from console as root, I have muted sound on next boot, does anyone have any idea how to solte that? I use Gnome in debian wheezy
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12:58<ompaul>questor: so many questions - is it real or virtual - how are you setting the volume?
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13:00<ompaul>questor: I've just been called away - so I can only suggest you use alsamixer on the command line
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13:04<questor>ompaul: I set sound through sound setting in gnome setting, I've tried in set in alsamixer as root and then run alsactl store
13:05<questor>but nothing worked
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13:07<ompaul>questor: you don't use alsamixer as root
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13:08<ompaul>questor: it was the only idea I have for that - gnome is not something I've used in years
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14:00<timofonic_lap>Hello
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14:04<timofonic_lap>I'm using Debian Wheezy on gf's laptop, but experiencing some issues. First one is about APT, I installed backports and showed the "Unable to find expected entry 'wheezy-backports/binary-amd64/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)" error. Here's my sources.list http://nopaste.info/b82a0f1023.html
14:05<timofonic_lap>What's wrong? :(
14:07<timofonic_lap>at, the system runs quite fine (I would like to disable clickpad when writing or using an external mouse, but I'll check that)
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14:07<timofonic_lap>THe main reason of using backports are web browser, libreoffice, media codecs and such (typical ones, I suposse)
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14:09<lau>running wheezy procps is started before network /etc/rcS.d/S12procps and /etc/rcS.d/S13networking but some sysctl.conf need network to be started net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-iptables=0 for instance so after reboot theses settings are not set
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14:10<lau>what is a proper way to handle these issue ?
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14:16<uso>is there any command to check what program is locking the audio device?
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15:00<grepper>man fuser
15:00<cosmo>Hello!
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15:02<stderr>timofonic_lap: About your backports problem: The error is in line 2. backports is a "distribution", not a "component". See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ for a proper source line.
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15:02<ibotty>hi
15:02<ibotty>can someone help me with an ipsec/routing problem?
15:02<stderr>!ask
15:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
15:03<ibotty>:)
15:03<ibotty>i successfully configured a racoon-based ipsec tunnel, but cannot get ping the subnets i want to connect
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15:04<evandro>anyone can provide me a asterisk chat room?
15:04<ibotty>i want to connect two libvirt servers with each having a private 10.0.?.0/24-net
15:04<stderr>!asterisk
15:04<dpkg>Asterisk is an open source, cross-platform telephone Private Branch Exchange (PBX). It can be used with VoIP and PSTN services. http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+FAQ http://www.asterisk.org/ #asterisk on irc.freenode.net.
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15:06<ibotty>the tunnel works, and i can ping the root from the other root's guests but not the guests on the other root server
15:08<SamB>ibotty: so you're trying to set up a VPN?
15:08<ibotty>well yes
15:08<ibotty>site to site vpn
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15:11<stderr>ibotty: 10/8 is non-routable, so I doubt the packets from box A ever reaches box B. You should probably use either routable addresses or the real IP-address of box B and some port-forwarding+NAT.
15:11<ibotty>huh
15:11<ibotty>i want to connect them via ipsec tunnel
15:12<ibotty>i _can_ ping 10.0.2.1 (which is the root server's subnet ip) from the other host
15:12<ibotty>and i should
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15:13<uso>ibotty: have you enabled forwarding on both gateways?
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15:13<ibotty>accept rules for the subnets, yes
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15:13<ibotty>in pre- and postrouting of the nat table
15:14<uso>ibotty: no, IP forwarding in the kernel
15:14<uso>/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
15:14<ibotty>ah
15:14<ibotty>of course
15:15<ibotty>(i couldn't ping from the guests otherwise)
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15:16<ibotty>my routes are:
15:16<ibotty>10.0.2.0/24 via $public_ip3 dev br0 src 10.0.3.1
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15:17<ibotty>10.0.3.0/24 via $public_ip2 dev eth0 src 10.0.2.1
15:17<ibotty>respectively
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15:17<ibotty>to be crystal clear: the following works:
15:17<ibotty>root3# ping 10.0.2.1
15:18<ibotty>but root3# ping 10.0.2.2
15:18<ibotty>does not (but from root2 it does)
15:18<ibotty>oh, there is no root1 :D
15:19<ibotty>i get "port unreachable" for ping 10.0.2.2 from root3
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15:20<ibotty>any more information you might find useful?
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15:27<ibotty>do i need snat or dnat rules? i wouldn't have thought so and most guides don't say so.
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15:30<uso>ibotty: no, I would even switch off firewall completely for testing
15:31<uso>snoop the inner and outer interfaces of your gateways and see where your packages get stuck
15:31<uso>maybe it gives you a hint
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15:34<ibotty>i am pretty sure it's on the other root's site. the tunnel is established when first pinging e.g. 10.0.2.2 and i get 'destination port unreachable' from 10.0.2.1 (i.e. the other root's ip)
15:34<SamB>s/packages/packets/ -- for some reason many non-native speakers seem to expect synonyms to still be synonymous in a technical context? (Or maybe this only happens to people whose native tongue uses the same word for both concepts?)
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15:35<ibotty>hehe. i did not notice either. my tongues uses both names as well
15:35<ibotty>(identical names, that is)
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15:39<ibotty>uso: how do i sniff icmp packages? tcpdump won't work, right?
15:40-!-mode/#debian [+l 649] by debhelper
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15:40<SamB>wireshark, anyone?
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15:41<ibotty>wireshark is not so nice on servers though
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15:44<ibotty>duh. tcpdump can capture icmp.
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15:44<uso>ibotty: sure it can, despite of it's name :)
15:45<uso>and there's also tshark, wiresharks command line brother
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15:47<ibotty>so tcpdump on root3 when pinging child31 from root2:
15:47<ibotty>on dev br0 (outgoing device) sees packets
15:47<ibotty>on dev virbr0 (to which child31 is connected) nothing
15:47<ibotty>child31 nothing
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15:47<ibotty>awww. 4 messages is flooding.. well
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15:47<devil>3 is also :)
15:47<ibotty>ic... :|
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15:48<wolfgang_>When I use headphones my speakers dont turn off, please help
15:49<nadir>I got a machine i access from all other machines on the LAN with ssh. If i want to allow ssh to that machine, but disable the other way around, is that possible at all?
15:51<dario^CIP>just dont run an ssh daemon on the other hosts?
15:51<nadir>i want the other hosts being able to ssh one to each other.
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15:52<nadir>removing ssh-client on the "server" might be an idea, but i also ask in general.
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15:53<dario^CIP>hm, you could do some firewall stuff with iptables, or look at how hosts.deny works
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15:54<nadir>So in theory it would be possible with iptables to do such?
15:54<wolfgang_>I found something telling me to add something to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf But even if I try to open it from root terminal I get acces denied.
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15:55<wolfgang_>Why am I not owner of my machine? Please help me.
15:57<SamB>wolfgang_: what command are you using to open it?
15:57<wolfgang_>./
15:57<SamB>hmm?
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15:57<wolfgang_>just ./ then file name
15:58<wolfgang_>./file
15:58<ibotty>that tries to execute that file, which won't work
15:58<wolfgang_>Ok
15:58<ibotty>try vi or nano
15:58<wolfgang_>ok
15:58<wolfgang_>Ok oppened with nano
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15:59<wolfgang_>Ok, I added the line to the file Im restarting my comp
15:59<nadir>The myth of not being the owner of ones machines is still alive?
16:00<nadir>ah, the restart pc myth too ...
16:00<wolfgang_>nadir What are you talking about? Well anyway, I will be back
16:02<ibotty>sometimes that's easier than reloading all the right modules.
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16:06<timofonic_lap>stderr: oh thanks
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16:06<timofonic_lap>stderr: I forgot tons of debian ways, now I'm trying to remember it...
16:08<timofonic_lap>I have after a few time (a minute, two...) small audio freeze on my system. I'm using Debian stable under xfce, the hardware is an Intel-powered laptop
16:08<timofonic_lap>What should I look at? I can provide hardware info is necessary :)
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16:14<timofonic_lap>The CPU is Intel Celeron 1000M at 1.80GHz
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16:17<timofonic_lap>Here is the lspci output http://nopaste.info/fdb5a91bca.html
16:17<wolfgang_>It didnt work IM out of idead
16:17<wolfgang_>*ideas
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16:18<wolfgang_>When I use headphones my speakers dont turn off, please help
16:18<timofonic_lap>I don't understand the cause of audio freezing occasionally. Oh, it was an audio streaming, I should check a local source
16:19<timofonic_lap>damn
16:20<timofonic_lap>wolfgang_: Are you using a laptop? Damn, it worked okay here. I'm newbie at Debian, I cannot help you. I'm with audio and configuring Elantech clickpad stuff :P
16:21<timofonic_lap>wolfgang_: But headphones-speakers switching works okay
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16:26<wolfgang_>timofonic_lap, Its a lappy
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16:28<turionus>hey everyone
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16:30<turionus>could anyone help me with choose a kernel to gaming mouse
16:30<petn-randall>timofonic_lap: What does audio freezing exactly mean for you? Any program trying to use the audio freezes? Or there's no output?
16:31<petn-randall>turionus: The stock kernel from Debian.
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16:31<turionus>it` doesn`t work
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16:32<turionus>i have 3.10-3-amd64 and my mouse doesn`t work
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16:34<devil>turionus: 'it does not work' is not a helpfull error message
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16:35<turionus>what can i say it doesn`t respond
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16:35<devil>well, think for a minute what we might need to know about 'it'
16:35<turionus>sharkonn drakonia
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16:36<devil>ok, does dmesg see it?
16:36<turionus>checking
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16:38<turionus>i have to look at it , but i can tell you that it`s working under 3.11 but ATI driver doesn`t work under this kernel and i need 3.10
16:39<devil>ATI works with 3.12 even afaik
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16:40<turionus>System Requirements:
16:40<turionus>Before attempting to install the AMD Catalyst™ Linux graphics driver, the following software must be installed:
16:40<turionus> Xorg/Xserver 7.4 and above (up to 1.14)
16:40<turionus> Linux kernel 2.6 or above (up to 3.10)
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16:41<turionus_>on the ATI site says that up to 3.10 kernel
16:42<devil>turionus_: you should try fglrx, not the ati stuff directly
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16:42<devil>turionus_: but I am no expert with ATI, never had one
16:43<timofonic_lap>petn-randall: Maybe my English vocabulary needs improving. It can be jitter, but there's no audio interference, just stops playing it by a second or halt second
16:43<timofonic_lap>half
16:43<devil>turionus_: there is a debian wiki for fglrx
16:43<timofonic_lap>But maybe it'0s network lag. Damn, I should have thinked about it
16:43<turionus_>fglrx is no full acceleration for the card
16:45<uso>is pulseaudio recommended for wheezy or just plain alsa?
16:45<valdyn>uso: debian does not recommend many things
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16:46<uso>valdyn: and what does this channel reccommend? :)
16:46<valdyn>uso: and it does not recommend software that is not directly related to managing debian at all
16:46<valdyn>uso: *I* recommend pulseaudio
16:46<devil>turionus_: yes, it is
16:47<turionus_>returning to mouse
16:47<turionus_>dmesg see my mouse
16:47<devil>can you pastebin the output?
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16:48<turionus_>how to do this to be kick out
16:48<turionus_>not*
16:49<valdyn>turionus_: for pasting you use a paste site
16:49<devil>pastebin to paste.debian.net
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16:53<turionus_>http://paste.debian.net/66200/
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16:55<devil>turionus_: what does lsusb | grep Holtek show? sgould be a one-liner you can paste directly
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16:56<turionus_>http://paste.debian.net/66202/
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16:58<turionus_>grep says nothing
17:04<turionus_>http://askubuntu.com/questions/232564/sharkoon-drakonia-gaming-mouse-doesnt-work-at-all
17:05<devil>it seems it is bending usb standards a bit, so sometimes it works and sometimes not
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17:07<turionus_>but it depends on kernel
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17:23<petn-randall>uso: pulseaudio allows you to change the volume of every application sending audio, and you can switch audio output on the fly (from headphone to loudspeaker, to another PC over the network). If you need any of that, you might want pulseaudio.
17:23<petn-randall>!pulseaudio
17:23<dpkg>PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since 4.0 "Etch", read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 . http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ http://pulseaudio.org/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net.
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17:24<petn-randall>uso: Though with plain ALSA switching from audio jack to loudspeakers should also work.
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17:31<turionus_>goodnight
17:31<aerth>:) peace bro
17:32<turionus_>thx devil for small help
17:32<devil>yw
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18:13<wolfgang_>When I plug in headphones my speakers still get noise, at this point I would rather just uninstall my speakers drivers, I always use headphones any way, how would I do that, but leave ny headphones working?
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18:14<niko_20010>wolfgang_: unplug your speakers
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18:14<wolfgang_>They are built into my laptop....
18:14<niko_20010>the driver is the same for both
18:14<wolfgang_>niko_20010 Then what do I do?
18:14<niko_20010>so it is the built-in soundcard's fault!
18:15<niko_20010>you can do almost nothing
18:15<devil>wolfgang_: look at alsamixergui
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18:15<devil>deactivate the speakers there
18:15<wolfgang_>devil, How? Do I just type alsamixer in terminal?
18:16<wolfgang_>devil, ?
18:17<devil>wolfgang_: maybe you need to install alsamixergui first
18:17<valdyn>!tias
18:17<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See".
18:17<demoorian>,am alsamixer
18:17<demoorian>man alsamixer
18:17<wolfgang_>Devil, What is the package called?
18:17<devil>I told you
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18:32<wolfgang_>devil, http://pastebin.com/s21tjcQw
18:32<wolfgang_>HOLLY CRAP
18:32<wolfgang_>devil, http://pastebin.com/s21tjcQw
18:32<wolfgang_>Why did that happen?
18:32<demoorian>netsplit
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18:32<wolfgang_>oh, but do you know why my terminal said that?
18:32<wolfgang_>http://pastebin.com/s21tjcQw
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18:32<wolfgang_>Do I hit yes?
18:32<demoorian>do you have official souces ?
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18:32<demoorian>r
18:32<wolfgang_>I'm not sure what you mean by official sources.
18:32<demoorian>alsamixergui ia availlable in official sources
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18:32<wolfgang_>Why is debian so full of problems? First my mic, then my sound, and now youtube videos wont load.
18:32<wolfgang_>I thought it was supposed to run so well.
18:32<wolfgang_>But so far ubuntu has ran better.
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18:32<wolfgang_>Oh apperently I dont have flash....
18:32<demoorian>https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
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18:32<valdyn>wolfgang_: ubuntu is made for end users in its default settings, debian is not
18:33<wolfgang_>valdyn, What is an end user?
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18:33<valdyn>wolfgang_: yea, someone who just wants to browse the web, the usual desktop stuff
18:34<devil>someone clueless and not trying to change that
18:34<valdyn>wolfgang_: all the things "not working" for you
18:34<demoorian>deb http://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/debian/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib you can add that line also to synaptic, if you use that
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18:36<wolfgang_>I installed alsamixer gui, and just like in alsa mixer, my only options are capture and master.
18:36<timofonic_lap>petn-randall: Sorry. I was away. It was mostly with VLC and radio streaming, anyway, I'll do better tests. I need to disconnect! It's not my laptop ;)
18:37<timofonic_lap>See you!
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18:37<wolfgang_>Im just done with debian, bye.
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18:39<petn-randall>timofonic: Bye!
18:39<wolfgang_>i like this interface, but I just cant get it working like i want.
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18:42<demoorian>need to sleep, bye
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18:50<petn-randall>Which PDF viewer can also fill out PDF forms? I prefer not having Gnome/KDE dependencies.
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18:51<demonkeeper>Anyone using poppler probbaly.
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19:00<Noskcaj>What happened to alioth?
19:02<Noskcaj>never mind, hard drive failure
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19:03<takn>hi, can anyone tell me how do you adjust a the laptop screen brightness under lxde ?
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19:19<olaf>Hello, I just setup a container with lxc (lxc-create) and can login with lxc-console, but when I ssh into the container it immediately disconnects after logging in with a password
19:19<linuxator>takn, i'm not using lxde but you can try #lxde channel
19:19<olaf>auth shows: Nov 17 00:11:12 localhost sshd[145]: error: PAM: pam_open_session(): Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session
19:20<olaf>on debian testing btw, the lxc container is also testing
19:21<takn>thanks linuxator
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19:23<linuxator>takn, your welcome olaf for debian test try #debian-next
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19:23<ectospasm>takn: many times the laptops hard keys for brightness will work, usually they're Fn keys
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19:32<takn>ectospasm: unfortunately in that case it doesn't.But maybe i should have a look of the config file(Keybindings) of a gnome don't you think so ?
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19:35<ectospasm>not sure, I have little experience with lxde, I don't know if it shares much at all with GNOME
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19:35<takn>Ok thanks ectospasm
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19:40<rolan>hola
19:40<rolan>....
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19:41<cory786>hello
19:41<rolan>hi
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19:42<rolan>do you speak spanish?
19:42<devil>!es
19:42<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
19:42<cory786>no
19:42<rolan>ok
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19:43<rolan>Mm
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19:43<cory786>rolan, do you?
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19:46<cory786>well I guess I understand a little I understood most of that ^ :)
19:47<takn>I'm gonna get some sleep bye.
19:47<rolan>hi cory786
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19:49<rolan>...
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19:55<rolan>hola hola hola!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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20:02<ectospasm>!ot
20:02<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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20:03<rolan>hi
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20:47<Ticked01>Hello I am working with debian 7.2 wheezy and I done know if I am really havering a totals problem or not I feel something is wrong but when I installed tripwire I done what the debian page said to set it up but when I give the command tripwire -m u it says ###error file could not be opens. File name /var/tripwire/reportHOSTNAME-20131116-203629.twr no such file or directory exiting. What is going on
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20:58<Tickedd>Hello I am working with debian 7.2 wheezy and I done know if I am really havering a totals problem or not I feel something is wrong but when I installed tripwire I done what the debian page said to set it up but when I give the command tripwire -m u it says ###error file could not be opens. File name /var/tripwire/reportHOSTNAME-20131116-203629.twr no such file or directory exiting. What is going on
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21:04<orangedolphin>Tickedd: https://eldon.me/?p=20 hope it helps
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21:10<ectospasm>hey, that's my site!
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23:22<centurion>que onda
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23:32<ectospasm>wat was that?
23:33<ectospasm>oh, wrong channel
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23:36<scientes>I have to make a file in order to bind mount another file on top of it?
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