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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-11-18

---Logopened Mon Nov 18 00:00:02 2013
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00:00<Infintie22>nice first moded minecraft server running linked user files with bungeecord :) also sharing items without lossing its NBT data :p
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00:08<McSweety>what exactly would this command do to the new user? I'm having a hard time finding a comprehensive list of commands and what their syntax modes do
00:09<McSweety>sudo adduser --disabled-password --system --home /var/lib/deluge --gecos "SamRo Deluge server" --group deluge
00:09<pinguy>Whoa
00:09<pinguy>Linux
00:09<pinguy>The last frontier
00:09<McSweety>^
00:09<McSweety>i know --disabled-password means it won't have a password and can't log in
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00:09<McSweety>and --home sets the home folder
00:10<McSweety>and i'm guessing --group adds it to a usergroup (?)
00:10<McSweety>but i don't know what --system does or the --gecos mode
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00:26<rjsalts>McSweety: man adduser
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00:35<ethan>oi
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00:41<niko_20010>morning ethan!
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00:44<ethan>i have a small question
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00:45<ethan>i use this website with a flash chat and when i want to make my font bold, it doesn't show up, yet it does on linux mint
00:45<ethan>what's up with that?
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01:03<paulo>ola
01:03<paulo>ChanServ
01:04<paulo>algum brasileiro ou português poderia me ajudar.
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01:08<paulo>#sysadms modos +nt
01:08<puwq>!vhost
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01:08<paulo>!vhost
01:09<LtL>!br | paulo
01:09<dpkg>| paulo: Este canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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01:09<paulo> /WHO list.
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01:09<paulo>Ok no problem, for me
01:09<paulo>some one can help me?
01:09<paulo>i have problem with auto tools
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01:13<LtL>paulo: you need to explain
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01:14<paulo>d
01:14<paulo>some one know AutoTools?
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01:19<LtL>paulo: please don't message people, i personally do not know autotools. try apt-cache show autotools-dev
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01:21<themill>paulo: if you don't ask your question, no-one can answer it
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01:25<paulo>OK, sorry. My problem is i have autotools and i use this tool chain, for build my program, but after update system, he can not find my libary, and i can't build my programa
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01:28<jm_>update to what?
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01:29<paulo>http://pastebin.ca/2476923
01:29<paulo>this is my erros
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01:29<paulo>errors*
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01:30<jm_>!localized errors
01:30<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
01:30<jm_>and again, update to what?
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01:41<paulo>sorry, i didnt see this
01:42<paulo>JM, i only make update of system
01:42<paulo>iI do not know what I updated in specific
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01:42<jm_>paulo: then explain how did you update it
01:43<paulo>i start my compute and i see a msg for update some programs, and i make this
01:44<paulo>this is my new pastbin
01:44<paulo>http://pastebin.ca/2476924
01:44<jm_>what version are you using then?
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01:52<paulo>is probably the last
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02:01<jm_>please be specific about the version
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02:43<lizhen>hello
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03:22<cc>hello
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05:10<LUGX>hello again
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05:24<dupondje>Hi. How to force unmount a stale NFS mount. The NFS server is unavailable. But umount -lf /mnt/nfsmount does not work. It keeps waiting. Any other idea's?
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05:26<dario^CIP>i usually just do umount -l, but iirc the kernel still keeps waiting
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05:27<dario^CIP>dupondje: have you checked the man page on the "intr" mount option?
05:29<dupondje>dario^CIP: intr is enabled ..
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05:32<dario^CIP>i meant more the "is ignored since kernel 2.6.25" part
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05:34<dupondje>Well yea, but there must be some way to umount it no?
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05:40<LUGX>exist a website or link to a list about all LUG from USA?
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05:43<stdhell>LUGX: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxUserGroups ?
05:44<stdhell>Or google it. It's not really a Debian question.
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05:56<dupondje>Seems like I really will need to reboot the server to fix the stale NFS :(
05:57<jm_>it's likely to hang at umount anyway
05:57<jm_>or do you mean the host where exports are?
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06:00<dupondje>the NFS server (where the exports are) is temp unavailable. So how to fix the client ? :)
06:01<jm_>that's why I use soft mounts
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06:03<dupondje>yea fixed that now, but still there must be some way to force umount it when really needed no?
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06:42<bala_00>hola a tod@s
06:43<bala_00>alguien me podría hechar una mano con el log de samba en debian
06:43<bala_00>que no consigo que me funcione como dios manda
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06:43<stdhell>!es
06:43<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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06:54<Yolo>Hi:)
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06:55<Yolo>Hi:)
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06:56<Guest6068>hello some one now to restore grub on ubuntu 10.04
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06:57<babilen>Guest6068: Try #ubuntu!
06:57<babilen>dpkg: ubuntuirc Guest6068
06:57<dpkg>Guest6068: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
06:57<Guest6068>ok tk
06:57<stdhell>Or you could install Debian...
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07:00<sandeepparitala>I am unable to copy files onto usb drives in debian testing version now
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07:03<babilen>sandeepparitala: Take it to #debian-next (cf. /topic) and provide more details. (e.g. "How do you copy?", "What happens if you try?", "Is it mounted?", "How?", "Which filesystem is used?", ... also read: http://mattgemmell.com/2008/12/08/what-have-you-tried/ and answer the question: "What have you tried?")
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07:42<natrix>hello there, i'm newbie... is there an official package of ettercap, aircrack, kismet for wheezy? because i couldn't find them with aptitude search. thanks
07:43<babilen>dpkg: tell natrix about aircrack
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07:44<natrix>oh.. thankyou :D
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07:45<babilen>natrix: ettercap is not in wheezy but only in jessie, kismet can be installed from wheezy-backports. An /etc/apt/sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/66411/ should work fine for you.
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07:46<xd>how to set up mutt ? googled it but stumbled upon
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07:47<babilen>natrix: You might be able to backport ettercap yourself by following the instructions in <ssb>, but I have no idea if that's a good idea. (/msg dpkg ssb)
07:47<jm_>look in /etc/Muttrc* for examples and /usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt.gz
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07:48<babilen>xd: There is also a #mutt channel on irc.freenode.net and searching for "configuring mutt" or "starting mutt" should yield a number of sensible hits.
07:49<babilen>xd: mailboxes `find ~/Maildir/ -type d -name '.*' -printf '%f\n'| sed "s:^.:=:" | sed "s:\.:/:g" | sort | tr '\n' ' '`
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07:49<babilen>xd: Something that I use to autopopulate mailboxes from my Maildir.
07:49<babilen>xd: Either way, lets continue this in #mutt :)
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07:53<natrix>ty babilen, kismet is now installed :)
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07:58<babilen>natrix: enjoy :)
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08:02<natrix>babilen what do you mean with "dpkg ssb" ?
08:02<daemonkeeper>!ssb
08:02<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
08:02<daemonkeeper>this.
08:02<xd>babilen : how to open .muttrc file from home directory , its not vsible
08:03<xd> how to open .muttrc file from home directory , its not visible
08:03<jm_>it won't be there if you haven't created it
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08:04<xd>jm : its created, but i think its hidden
08:04<xd>stll want to open it
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08:04<natrix>try head ~/.muttrc
08:05<jm_>xd: created by who/what? mutt certainly doesn't do that
08:06<xd>im_ ya right
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08:07<xd>jm_ ya right its not there, lets create it
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08:11<natrix>well... i understand what ssb means :) thankyou daemonkeeper
08:11<xd>mkdir -p ~/.mutt/cache/headers
08:11<xd>mkdir -p ~/.mutt/cache/headers
08:11<xd>mkdir -p ~/.mutt/cache/headers
08:12<xd>sorry, is the command correct?
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08:12<xd>p is my computers name
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08:21<xd>trying to configure mutt read shivam@localhost:~$ ~/.muttrc
08:21<xd>bash: /home/shivam/.muttrc: Permission denied
08:21<xd>shivam@localhost:~$
08:22<xd>what to do to access it?
08:22<stdhell>Use an editor...
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08:23<stdhell>E.g. nano ~/.muttrc
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08:23<xd>ok
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08:34<natrix>!package recompile
08:34<dpkg>1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
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08:37<natrix>ettercap source is now many deb binaries... that's great! thankyou babilen daemonkeeper
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09:15<bosz>hi all linux geeks
09:16<bosz>new in linux and need some help out there
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09:21<mgv>!ask
09:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:27<itdevisi>tes
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09:29<stdhell>!ask
09:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:07<tiago_>hey
10:08<tiago_>how do I change channel?
10:08<stdhell>/join #another_channel
10:08<babilen>dpkg: tell tiago_ -about irc tutorial
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10:08<tiago_>thanks!
10:09<babilen>tiago_: Please also note that this channel is *not* an IRC help one, but a channel for Debian support. (cf. http://www.debian.org)
10:09<tiago_>it was the one irc sent me in :p
10:10<babilen>tiago_: Then your client is either misconfigured or you don't know (yet) how to use it correctly ;) -- Feel free to "/j #debian-offtopic" if you want to discuss this further, but check which channel you join initially.
10:10<tiago_>thanks babilen
10:10<babilen>"/join #debian-offtopic" that is
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11:50<david89>Hello. Does debian 7 stable have qt5?
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11:53<mtn>david89: http://packages.debian.org
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11:53<SynrG>no
11:54<david89>it appears that only testing has it
11:54<SynrG>heh. libmgl-qt5 "This package contains the Qt4 frontend."
11:55<SynrG>wtf? :)
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12:00<SynrG>(hint, the 5 suffix here refers to libmgl5, not version 5 of the suffixed thing: compare http://packages.qa.debian.org/mathgl)
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12:02<babilen>SynrG: Horrible package name! I would have expected that to tbe libmgl5-qt
12:02<SynrG> * Fix library package names to reflect soname.
12:02<SynrG>so now they are suffixed "7.0.0" which is a bit clearer
12:02<SynrG>only a bit
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12:06<timofonic>babilen: Are there an irc help channel?
12:06<timofonic>It could be nice to point people newbie to IRC to a channel like that :)
12:08<sney>I don't think there's one on this network.
12:08<stderr>timofonic: You don't think <irc tutorial> is enough?
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12:24<babilen>timofonic: There is #help, but <irc tutorial> and googling for "how to use IRC" (or more sophisticated queries) should be enough :)
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12:29<noob1>If i create liveUSB with UnetBootin or LiLi and choose to create persistance. Does it mean that when i update my liveusb, the updates remains ?
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12:30<sney>that's the idea
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12:49<ibuntu>hullo?
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12:51<ibuntu>anyone play assaultcube?
12:52<sney>ibuntu, this is a support channel for debian users. if you want to chat try #moocows
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13:00<Juancho>putas?
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13:01<Maulkin>!es
13:01<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:03<timofonic>babilen: Well, anybody wanting to use Debian should be enough skilled to learn the basics about IRC...
14:03<timofonic>So, you are right :)
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14:03<timofonic>If not, there's typewriters...
14:03<timofonic>And Ubuntu? :P
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14:20<Lo-lan-do>Hi all :-) How would I go about debugging a wireless network with Network Manager in Wheezy (with backported kernel)?
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14:21<Lo-lan-do>Hardware is iwlwifi Wireless-N 2230, I have the firmwares from backports too (firmware-iwlwifi package)
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14:24<timofonic>Debugging? Are you a programmer? :)
14:24<timofonic>Network administrator? Uhm
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14:30<Lo-lan-do>timofonic: User, in this context.
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14:32<timofonic>Lo-lan-do: So what do you want to check? "Debugging" is a generic term and often related to lower level stuff
14:33<timofonic>At least that's how I understand it, maybe I'm wrong. I'm just an user too :)
14:33<Lo-lan-do>I'd like to make it work, basically.
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14:33<Lo-lan-do>Since it's standard hardware, I guess it should be able to, but I'm looking for guidance as to how I can find what goes wrong.
14:34<timofonic>Lo-lan-do: Why not providing a better explanation of the problem and if the wireless network has some special requirements? :)
14:34<Lo-lan-do>Sure :-)
14:35<timofonic>Lo-lan-do: What's your problem? Does your Wheezy with backported kernel is unable to detect the wifi card?
14:35<Lo-lan-do>Basically, syslog mentions my NIC goes associating → associated → disconnected
14:35<timofonic>oh
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14:35<Lo-lan-do>The card is detected, Network Manager sees it, I can configure the wireless networks, but no packets come through.
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14:36<timofonic>I'm a total n00b at wifi, but I'm sure that info make others helps you. Of course, don't expert fast replies :)
14:36<timofonic>expect
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14:37<timofonic>Lo-lan-do: I also use xfce on some systems, i3 on others. I remember "Network Manager" is from Gnome, right?
14:37<Lo-lan-do>On one network with no authentication needed, I go associating -> completed then config -> ip-config, but no reply comes to my DHCP DISCOVER packets
14:38<Lo-lan-do>…so NM gives up after a while.
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14:38<timofonic>Lo-lan-do: I don't want to annoy you anymore, I just wanted to suggest you to explain the problem better. I'll not fill the channel with my words, let others reply you :)
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14:39<timofonic>Lo-lan-do: I always try to use Atheros wifi cards, because they never give me problems to me. And I still think about wifi as some kind of "black magic"
14:39<Lo-lan-do>On another network (with auth), it goes associating -> associated -> disconnected
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14:41<timofonic>Lo-lan-do: If you don't find a reply, you can always post it in the Debian forums too. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianResources
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14:44<Lo-lan-do>Yeah, I may end up there (or on the mailing-list)
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14:44<ibuntu>anyone play assaultcube?
14:45<sney>ibuntu, this is a support channel for debian users. if you want to chat try #moocows
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14:51<ibuntu>hey sney, who are ya!!
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14:53<zwerg>Hey there.
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14:56<zwerg>My only disk is a SSD, and I got only 4G of RAM. Occasionally I run out of memory. Any hints on SSD-friendly swapping? File, or partition, etc?
14:57<zwerg>Hibernation is not needed.
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15:16<blast007>zwerg: are you actually running out of memory, or is your available RAM just being used for buffers/cache? the 'free -m' command will have a +/- buffers line that shows the usage amount with buffers/cache excluded.
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15:20<blast007>zwerg: If you *are* actually running out, optimally you'd just get more RAM, but that may be infesible due to hardware/budget constraints. It sounds like zram is built into the Wheezy kernel, so that may be something to experiment with before using swap on your SSD. ( http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=77627 ) Or see https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization#Adding_vm.swappiness.3D0_in_sysctl_for_the_kernel
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15:30<rene>good evening
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15:31<rene>i need help for configuring network interface bridge for my qemu virutal machine
15:31<rene>i want to give my vm access to my wlan0 network interface
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15:43<zwerg>blast007: 1G is indeed used by buffers/cache.
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15:44<blast007>zwerg: the memory used by buffers/cache will be released if applications need more memory, but available memory will be used for buffers/cache to speed up your system (such as caching data from the disk to reduce reads to your disk)
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15:47<zwerg>blast007: I see. But then, when an application cannot be started due to low memory, it's actually low, right?
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15:48<blast007>probably, yes
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15:48<descala>I accidentally "apt-get autoremove"d libc6-amd64:i386 from a wheezy install! :( I've tried chrooting from rescue disc, but since it does not have this basic libraries can not "apt-get install" it again. Is there any hope?
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15:50<Lo-lan-do>descala: Get the deb in the rescue mode (outside the chroot), extract it with ar and tar inside the chroot, try again
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15:50<Lo-lan-do>I assume the rescue disk mode has wget available.
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15:51<descala>Lo-lan-do: it does. thanks!
15:51<Lo-lan-do>ar and tar are standard too
15:51<mju>descala: How is libc6-amd64 a basic library?
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15:51<mju>I mean, it is not the same as libc6, as far as I can tell.
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15:52<Lo-lan-do>descala: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/en-US/stable/packaging-system.html#sect.binary-package-structure may help
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15:54<descala>mju: it is an amd64 install. I don't know how libc6-amd64:i386 got there. Other amd64 installs do not have it. But when dpkg removed it, well, it did not even finish removing it :)
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15:55<mju>Huh. That sounds weird.
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15:57<zwerg>blast007: These links were helpful though, thanks!
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15:57<mju>I just meant, that maybe you want libc6 instead of libc-amd64:i386, if your system is actually an amd64 install.
15:58<mju>Anyway, gotta go.
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16:07<descala>Lo-lan-do: your suggestions have been very usefull indeed. now I can chroot into the system
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16:23<heisenberg>hi
16:23<heisenberg>Hi, does anyone know why I have leftover "debian/Fedora" entries in my EFI boot menu? I am currently using Mint and both are unneeded. Here is a screenshot -> http://i.imgur.com/KSoqsrm.jpg
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16:24<sney>check in your /boot/efi
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16:26<heisenberg>sney: I don't have a boot/efi
16:27<heisenberg>*/boot/efi
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16:27<sney>your disk does. find it, mount it, and that stuff will be there.
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16:28<heisenberg>sney: what do you mean "my disk does"
16:28<heisenberg>sney: if I unplug both of my harddrives, these 2 menu entires will still be in my EFI boot menu.
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16:28<sney>if that's really true, then it's not a linux issue at all. ask your motherboard vendor
16:29<heisenberg>sney: obviously you are unable to answer this question and are making assumptions about the nature of this problem
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16:29<heisenberg>sney: so why don't you stave off from giving advice unless you know the answer
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16:30<sney>rudeness will get you nowhere
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16:30<heisenberg>so you say
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16:33<stderr>!mint
16:33<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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16:33<stderr>heisenberg: ^^^
16:33<heisenberg>stderr: ah, so why then did debian do this -> http://i.imgur.com/KSoqsrm.jpg
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16:34<stderr>You said you're running Mint -> Not our problem...
16:34<heisenberg>stderr: that is my boot menu, when i press F12. I have removed debain but still an entry remains. Do you have an answer why?
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16:35<heisenberg>stderr: debian put that entry in my EFI boot menu when I installed it, I assume you don't have the answer and are simply acting defensive.
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16:36<stderr>I really don't care what you assume. If you're running Mint, it's not our problem. Ask the Mint people.
16:37<sney>maybe they already banned him
16:37<stderr>Probably...
16:37<heisenberg>stderr: you are illogical, if debian but this entry into my boot menu, then it is a debian problem
16:37<heisenberg>stderr: did you write the debian installer?
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16:37<Ysgrammor>heisenberg: so at some point you installed Debian (not a distro based on Debian but Debian itself)?
16:38<heisenberg>Ysgrammor: no, I installed vanilla debian, the net installer, 7.2
16:38<heisenberg>Ysgrammor: about 2 weeks ago
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16:38<Ysgrammor>and you're 100% sure that the entry is *still* there when the disk is completely disconnected?
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16:39<heisenberg>Ysgrammor: I shall check again to be 100% certain
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16:42<heisenberg>Ysgrammor: yes, I am about to upload a picture as proof
16:42<heisenberg>Ysgrammor: that i just took 1 minute ago
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16:43<Ysgrammor>heisenberg: ok - if the entries are still there when the disks are completely disconnected then your efi has some caching "feature" enabled
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16:43<heisenberg>Ysgrammor: http://i.imgur.com/OIQ7jIV.jpg
16:43<heisenberg>both harddrives disconnected
16:44<themill>heisenberg: you need to use the efibootmgr utility to edit that efi boot menu
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16:44<heisenberg>themill: thank you! I shall do that
16:44<Ysgrammor>heisenberg: logic dictates that if the harddrives that the OS was installed to is disconnected and the boot menu still shows the entry then efi has some caching
16:44<Ysgrammor>themill: +1
16:44<heisenberg>Ysgrammor: yes, I agree.
16:45<stderr>heisenberg: So now you agree that it's NOT a Linux issue at all?
16:46<heisenberg>stderr: I never stated it was a linux issue
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16:46<heisenberg>stderr: I said that the entry appeared after I installed debian. Being as this is #debian i figured it was a good place to ask
16:46<stderr>You were a bit rude to someone who told you it wasn't a Linux issue.
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16:47<themill>stderr, heisenberg: go kiss and make up in a /query. thanks
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16:47<sney>stderr, i appreciate the thought but just let him leave
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16:47<heisenberg>stderr: either you had the answer or you didn't. in this case, you didn't, and were unqualified to answer.
16:48<dondelelcaro>heisenberg, stderr: please stop or take it elsewhere.
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16:48<sney>!volunteers
16:48<dpkg>Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help.
16:49<heisenberg>If you are going to be fallible, then accept yourself as such. Don't expect a wrong answer to garnish the same praise as a right one.
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17:02<heisenberg>who is the programmer who does the debian installer
17:02<sney>the installer team can be found in #debian-boot
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17:02<themill>there are many -- bug reports go through the bug tracking system at bugs.debian.org
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17:06<gatt>hello
17:06<sney>hi
17:07<gatt>im having a lot of issues with debian running on a freescale iMX6
17:07<gatt>would someone be able to help me out
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17:08<sney>gatt, just ask your question and if anyone knows they will help
17:08<gatt>maybe #debian-arm is the right chat for me
17:08<gatt>Ok great
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17:09<gatt>so i try to run startx, and get error: user not authorized to run X
17:09<gatt>aborting
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17:10<sney>is that the full error message? does it put anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
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17:11<gatt>let me copy paste ehre the entire message..or the log
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17:12<sney>gatt, paste to http://paste.debian.net/ not the channel please
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17:17<gatt>hi
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17:19<gatt>hey was i talking to someone here?
17:20<devil_>you did
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17:20<gatt>sorry i disconnected, i dont even remember who i was talking to
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17:24<leni>Hi
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17:25<leni>Apparently "xul-ext-greasemonkey" conflicts with "iceweasel" on Jessie
17:26<leni>And I can't install the most recent Greasemonkey version from addons.mozilla.org also
17:26<Natureshadow>leni: no, it Breaks iceweasel << 20.0
17:26<Natureshadow>Install iceweasel from experimental
17:27<Natureshadow>That's what the mozilla team recommends
17:27<leni>Ok
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17:27<leni>What's the recommended way to install newer packages?
17:28<leni>I usually backport them, but I really don't want to build iceweasel
17:28<Natureshadow>I don't know, but for myself, I pin the experimental repo low to 98 and pin iceweasel and xulrunner high to 990
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17:28<leni>Thanks, that's a good idea
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17:28<leni>Good bye
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17:29<Natureshadow>leni: https://paste.debian.net/66502/
17:29<Natureshadow>oh, it left...
17:30<SynrG>experimental tends to have deps satisfied from unstable, not testing. if it works with testing, it's by accident
17:30<SynrG>it has happened to me at least once with iceweasel from experimental.
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17:31<Natureshadow>SynrG: tell the Mozilla team - they publicly tell people to use experimental on testing: http://mozilla.debian.net/
17:31<Natureshadow>Oh, but they also add the unstable repo
17:31<Natureshadow>I do not think that is a major issue
17:31<Natureshadow>Anyway, gn8!
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17:34<gatt>i get the following error on startx: http://paste.debian.net/66503/
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17:34<gatt>anyone got any ideas whats going on
17:35<gatt>i cant run it as a user...but only as root
17:35<gatt>heres the error msg http://paste.debian.net/66501
17:35<gatt>the prev one is the result from the log
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17:36<SynrG>Natureshadow: yes. that was my point :)
17:36<SynrG>night
17:36<heini>hi
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17:36<heini>i would like to add a script that creates hardlinks to debian
17:37<heini>what must be done?
17:38<heini>i wrote it after reading the source of the current hardlink package
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17:50<mju>What is the maintenance status of ask.debian.net? The sitewise search gives a 500 server error, and the feedback form gives a 404 not found error.
17:51<mju>Also, shapado, which is supposed to host this, seems not very active/existent anymore.
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17:55<stderr>heini: What's wrong with /bin/ln from coreutils?
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17:56<heini>nothing
17:56<heini>http://jak-linux.org/projects/hardlink/
17:56<stderr>So what's the point?
17:56<heini>http://code.google.com/p/hardlinkpy/source/browse/hardlink.py
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18:06<themill>ahh.. we already have a deduplication tool for dedupulicating deduplicators.
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18:08<heini>meh
18:08<daemonkeeper>Yes. ITPed two or three years ago.
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18:09<heini>anyways the hardlink.py in debian was kind of slow
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18:09<heini>is there some other tool i am not aware of?
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18:10<heini>if not i would like you to take a look at mine. it still misses some documentation and comments but it does the job
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18:11<heini>https://github.com/ObiWahn/hardlink/blob/master/hardlink.py
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18:13<newUser1>can i install debian alongside with my existing windows xp on 1 HDD if it is already partitioned and formatted into 2 Logical dirves( C: and D: ) and dont lose any data on it?
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18:14<mtn>newUser1: you can use gparted to make room: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gparted.html
18:15<mtn>newUser1: always have backups so you don't lose data when doing things like this
18:15<newUser1>ok, thank you
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18:19<newUser1>which architecture (amd64 or i386) is better to choose for my AMD Athlon64 3800
18:20<newUser1>for my desktop pc
18:20<sney>how much ram do you have
18:20<newUser1>2gb
18:20<abrotman>are you going to buy more?
18:20<sney>i386
18:20<newUser1>no more
18:20<abrotman>also, who puts 2GB in a new desktop?
18:20<newUser1>its old
18:20<newUser1>:)
18:20<newUser1>thank you sney
18:20<abrotman>it's not that old
18:21<vook>I'm trying to do a simple one line evaluation of a variable. For example, if I have "export somevar="4"", how can I do a corresponding one liner, like " [ -f $somevar = 4 ] && echo true ?
18:21<sney>athlon64 3800 is 2008? era
18:21<sney>certainly not new
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18:27<scientes>anonscm.debian.org[0: 217.196.43.132]: errno=Connection refused
18:27<scientes>ahh
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18:32<heini>vook: some=4 ; (( some == 4 )) && echo buh
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18:35<heini>themill, stderr: was that a no?
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18:38<stderr>heini: It's not up to me, but I don't really see the point.
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18:39<heini>it is O(n) vs O(n!)
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18:40<heini>or n^2 i have to look at the code again
18:41<stderr>O(n!) sounds too bad to be true.
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18:41<stderr>O(n^2) seems plausible.
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18:44<heini>http://code.google.com/p/hardlinkpy/source/browse/hardlink.py#489
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18:44<heini>tell me that that looks good
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18:44<heini>http://code.google.com/p/hardlinkpy/source/browse/hardlink.py#475
18:44<heini>:)
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18:45<stderr>I see a problem around line 298 of https://github.com/ObiWahn/hardlink/blob/master/hardlink.py if f2 is larger than f1, but the first "filesize of f1" bytes are the same.
18:47<heini>what is the problem?
18:47<heini>give me a moment
18:48<stderr>If you can't read anymore data from f1, but you can read data from f2, you return False, meaning that the files can be hardlinked.
18:48<heini>jep taht is bad
18:49<stderr>But at least you're trying to compare the content of the files, not just their md5sum...
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18:50<stderr>heini: What was wrong with the C version of http://jak-linux.org/projects/hardlink/ ? Personally I think that would be a better choice, since python might not be installed.
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18:52<heini>good point
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18:53<heini>i think ill look at the code
18:53<heini>but the python version i got via apt-get was horrible
18:54<stderr>It could probably be written as a shell script, if you wanted to. :-)
18:54<heini>much can be done with sh:P
18:54<stderr>I actually think I have do something like that a long, long time ago... :-)
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19:02<heini>uhm mh im not sure if got the right repo
19:02<heini>:P
19:02<stderr>heini: A very rough and feature-less shell version: find $DIR -mount -type f \! -size 0c -exec md5sum {} + | sort | awk '{ if(old_md5sum==$1) { printf("diff %s %s && ln %s %s\n",old_filename,$2,old_filename,$2); } old_md5sum=$1; old_filename=$2; }'
19:02<stderr>:-)
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19:02<heini>i do not compare the size of files and only a small part ... that is a very evil version:P
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19:03<heini>:)
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19:04<heini>can not bee too old
19:04<stderr>Your function name is also confusing... files_are_not_allowed_to_link() Personally I would call it files_are_allowed_to_link() and do the not in the calling if(...)
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19:05<heini>mh ok
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19:05<stderr>Or not do "not" at all... if(allowed_to_link(...)) make_link(...)
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19:07<stderr>heini: Oh, well... I need to get something to eat...
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19:08<heini>bye:)
19:08<heini>ill fix the stuff read the other code and come back:)
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19:13<heini>Do i get it right that the "-exec ... +" was removed from the standard again? https://collaboration.opengroup.org/external/pasc.org/interpretations/unofficial/db/p1003.2/pasc-1003.2-210.html
19:14<heini>good night
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19:15<rjsalts>what's the option for apt-get to see the http request in detail when it's downloading a Packages.(xz|gz|...)
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19:17<androidphone2>i seems that people are willing to discuss questions at night,but at morning in my country
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19:18<rjsalts>Debug::Acquire::http=true was the answer
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21:03<connor>Hey I am installing with the testing build that was generated today, but get an error saying no kernel modules. Any one else experiencing this?
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21:18<t0wer>hey folks
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21:35<Abbott>I am following this gude to set up a deluge seedbox on my debian server: http://www.havetheknowhow.com/Install-the-software/Install-Deluge-Headless.html
21:35<Abbott>and i just got the part where it wants me to use vim to creat /etc/default/deluge-daemon
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21:35<Abbott>but my install of debian does not have vim
21:35<Abbott>i do hve nano though, will that work?
21:36<LtL>Abbott: yes it will
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21:38<Abbott>sweet, thanks
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21:52<Abbott>LtL I was also wondering about how the guide had me run adduser with --password-disabled. The documentation says that you can't use the user normally but you can under some circumstances like using SSH RSA keys. I'm not sure what RSA is but I can not login as the user via SSH. How does that work
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22:08<LtL>Abbott: sorry i was away, RSA is just an algorithm, you might want to set a password for that user, become root, type: passwd username
22:10<Abbott>you think i should set a password?
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22:10<Abbott>why would the guide explicitly not have me set one?
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22:11<LtL>Abbott: he might login via ssh with ssh keys setup, without that you need a password
22:12<LtL>Abbott: what guide
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22:23<LtL>Abbott: gone for a smoke, suggest you stick to debian 'guides' if you haven't already, 'based on debian' guides may differ.
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22:23<marsworld>whats up
22:23<marsworld>my deb
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22:24<LtL>marsworld: uh, Mars, the moon.. oh not a trick question 'eh ;) j/k afk
22:25<marsworld>marvins world
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22:28<marsworld>new the debian
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23:55<Abbott>why would i be able to ssh into my server but not use sshfs
23:55<Abbott>putty can connect just fine but win-sshfs can not connect
23:55<SamB>Abbott: do they attempt to authenticate the same way?
23:56<Abbott>win-sshfs has me put in the username and password ahead of time where with putty i enter the user and pass when i ssh in
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23:57<SamB>no surprise there
23:57<Abbott>what do you mean
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23:58<SamB>I mean it's not surprising that the FS wants them ahead of time
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23:59<Abbott>wait i found something out
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