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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-11-19

---Logopened Tue Nov 19 00:00:14 2013
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00:00<Abbott>i tried using root as the login (which it says not to do) and i got it to mount but the folders inside weren't what i was expecting. I tried using putty to ssh in and login as the user account but when i enter my password the putty window closes out. i can log in with root just fine
00:00<Abbott>why would that be?
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00:07<SamB>Abbott: hmm, something odd in that user's .profile or so?
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00:08<Abbott>I plugged my monitor into the server and i can't log in to the user here either
00:08<Abbott>i'm trying to delete the user and readd it but it's saying that it is used by proccesses
00:09<Abbott>how can i view the process to stop it so i can delete teh user
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00:15<SamB>mayne you should just try changing the user's password?
00:18<Abbott>passwd user
00:18<Abbott>then it says Enter new UNIX password:
00:18<Abbott>i do then i confirm
00:18<Abbott>su command won't work
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00:25<Abbott>http://i.imgur.com/6PgrfRa.png
00:25<Abbott>that's my /etc/passwd
00:25<Abbott>the user i am trying to log in to is deluge
00:26<Abbott>sorry this is it http://i.imgur.com/x81IkLp.png
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03:34<hendry>I need a newer git on stable, but I get "git : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.16) but 2.13-38 is installed", when I try to install git from testing. Does that need I need to upgrade my box to testing?
03:35<timbermaniac>I am trying to run a small bind server with <=128MB, and even though there is "free" memory, the system is using some swap, albeit negligible. Since it's installed on flash storage, I'd prefer this not to use swap. Should I just not give it swap or is there something else I should be looking into?
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03:36<jm_>hendry: take it from bpo
03:36<maxy>,v git
03:36<judd>Package: git on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.7.2.5-3; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.10.4-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy1; wheezy-backports: 1:1.8.4~rc3-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:1.8.4.2-1; sid: 1:1.8.4.3-1; experimental: 1:1.8.5~rc0-1
03:37<jm_>timbermaniac: you could try disabling swap or adjust swapiness so it would try to use it less
03:37<weasel>timbermaniac: it's probably swapping stuff out once, never to be read again.
03:37<weasel>timbermaniac: I suspect it's not actively moving things in and out of swap all the time
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03:40<timbermaniac>So would (either) of you recommend monitoring the usage and just decide from there?
03:40<timbermaniac>running stable, I'd imagine it's safe to assume bind won't have a memory spike being that it serves a small network
03:42<jm_>I would just try it, and if need be, look at things like zram
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03:44<timbermaniac>thank you for the suggestions, folks
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03:50<hendry>jm_: thanks for the tip
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03:52<jm_>no worries
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04:49<svenx>can i obtain older versions of packages within the same release? i'm looking for older 3.2 kernel builds, between 3.2.23-1~bpo60+2 and 3.2.46
04:49<svenx>it seems older versions are purged from the archive and mirrors once a new version is made available
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04:50<babilen>dpkg: tell svenx about snapshots
04:50<svenx>oh man, super! thanks
04:51<babilen>svenx: Any particular reason why you need that version? Is there something that can/should be done about the current versions?
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04:53<svenx>babilen: a particular bug relating to ARP requests, that i cannot obviously see in the linux-stable.git changelog between 3.2.23 and 3.2.46
04:53<svenx>babilen: and instead of building my own bisect builds, i'd rather "bisect" using the debian builds first
04:54<svenx>then make bisect builds when i have two neighboring debian builds, to shorten the time it takes
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04:57<babilen>svenx: Fair enough! It might make sense to report a bug already and to discuss it in #debian-kernel. Naturally the more information you can provide the better, but Ben (or another maintainer) might have a good idea right away.
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04:58<svenx>i can try, but it would rely on someone remembering this particular bug.
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05:04<babilen>svenx: Oh, so you cannot reproduce it?
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05:05<svenx>babilen: it reproduces on 3.2.23; not on 3.2.46. i'd like to figure out exactly which commit in between them that fixed it
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05:10<babilen>svenx: Ah, in that case it is the other way round. I assumed that a bug has been introduced between .23 and .46 -- pray continue and have a good hunt :)
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05:11<svenx>thanks :)
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06:18<Guest6227>Hi, anonscm and alioth seem to be down. The last two messages on the debian-infrastructure-announce mailing list was saying just that. But this was on Nov 11th. Had it been bought back up, and then went down today, or am I just being impatient?
06:19<Guest6227>:)
06:19<Maulkin>Guest6227: The latter
06:19<Guest6227>oh, okay
06:19<Maulkin>See the topic
06:23<SynrG>Guest6227: and you read the part of the d-i-a message that said 'a matter of days, not hours', yes?
06:24<timbermaniac>if you're running a local bind server and run 'dig <host>',shouldn't it append the domain or search domains in resolv.conf ?
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06:24<timbermaniac>(with the first nameserver being 127.0.0.1)
06:26<stdhell>timbermaniac: man dig: "The search list is not used by default."
06:26<stdhell>+search
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06:27<timbermaniac>stdhell: Not only search list, but the domain as well?
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06:28<timbermaniac>and is that something you can enforce?
06:29<stdhell>"Use [do not use] the search list defined by the searchlist or domain directive in resolv.conf (if any). The search list is not used by default."
06:29<stdhell>Maybe it would be easier if you read the man page yourself?
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06:31<stdhell>You might be able to "enforce" it, if you use a ~/.digrc see the manpage.
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06:31<timbermaniac>I'm reading the resolv.conf man page, but don't see what you're looking at. Where are you looking?
06:31<Guest6227>SynrG, it's been over a week, anyway, hope it's back up soon.
06:31<jm_>timbermaniac: he said man dig
06:31<stdhell><stdhell> timbermaniac: man dig: ...
06:33<SynrG>Guest6227: i'm sure it's just because we're not beating them hard enough ;)
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06:34<Guest6227>haha, probably XD
06:34<timbermaniac>Oh, I see. Sorry about that
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07:31<Guest6231>what?
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07:32<babilen>Guest6231: Do you need help with Debian?
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08:05<grohne>hi. what is the rationale for changing /dev/shm from 1777 to 0755 from squeeze to wheezy? it appears to break tons of stuff.
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08:06<weasel>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Nov 18 10:45 /dev/shm -> /run/shm/
08:06<weasel>drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 140 Nov 19 14:05 /run/shm/
08:06<weasel>on my wheezy host.
08:06<stdhell>Same here...
08:06<Maulkin>Ditto
08:06<grohne>I got the very same symlink, but 755 there
08:06<grohne>maybe something broken here. thx
08:07<grohne>this issue seems popular on stackoverflow though (keywords: python multiprocessing shm)
08:08<grohne>do you have /run/shm in your fstab?
08:08<weasel>no
08:08<jm_>no
08:08<weasel>are you in a VM?
08:09<grohne>technically yes. inside virtualbox.
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08:10<grohne>RAMSHM (/etc/defaults/tmpfs) is commented out (defaults to yes), but nothing is mounted to /run/shm. very strange.
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08:12<weasel>is your /run a tmpfs?
08:12<grohne>yes, it is.
08:13<weasel>http://www.palfrader.org/volatile/2013-11-19-t2xlXEG4Uu4/stdin is how it looks like here
08:13<weasel>run, run/shm and run/lock are mounted
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08:15<grohne>I only got the /run and /run/lock mounts. maybe it is just a temporariy oddity (read: failure on my behalf) and vanishes on reboot, but I have no clue what change might have caused this behaviour.
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08:21<grohne>and /etc/init.d/mountall.sh start restored /run/shm as it should be. probably my fault. thanks for your help.
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10:24<cs112110> occurrences = 0;
10:24<cs112110> /*if((fp=fopen(filenames[i],"r"))==NULL);{
10:24<cs112110> printf("erropen");
10:24<cs112110> exit(1);
10:24<cs112110> }
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10:50<shirish>does anybody where I can find backends for apt ? AFAIK apt-get and aptitude both use apt and of its backends for doing its thing.
10:50<daemonkeeper>libapt?
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11:53<nocturnal>not sure if this is debian related but I'm running a debian wheezy system and I noticed a lot of dns queries to webman.any domain from resolv.conf. running tcpdump I see these DNS queries just keep on coming over and over, regardless of which network I'm in.
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11:54<nocturnal>and any domain resolvconf(8) adds to resolv.conf gets added to those queries as webman.domain
11:54<nocturnal>ah forget it, it was quite easy to troubleshoot. I just shut down Firefox and the queries stopped
11:54<nocturnal>;)
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11:56<nocturnal>some plugin is causing them
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12:00<connor_>Where is the choice to select version (stable, testing, or sid) in the installer? I tried expert mode but never see it. I remember I used to be able to do this. Thanks.
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12:01<Mohcine>Salut à TOUS
12:03<Mohcine>Yat-il un moyen de les faire comme ça http://www.securitronlinux.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/voyager-desktop.jpg terminal :)
12:03<Mohcine>Os Crunchbang
12:03<niko_20010>!fr
12:03<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
12:04<Mohcine>ok Sorry
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12:06<SynrG>Mohcine: er, that info is incorrect
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12:06<SynrG>!crunchbang
12:06<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>.
12:06<coolstorybro11>hiho
12:06<SynrG>Mohcine: i don't know if Crunchbang offer support in your language. ask them.
12:07<SynrG>niko_20010: pay attention :)
12:07<niko_20010>sorry
12:07<SynrG>np
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12:07<niko_20010>overread the crunchbang
12:08<SynrG>easy to overlook :)
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12:09<niko_20010>did you guys know that you are the big majority on OFTC?
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12:09<niko_20010>aka biggest channel?
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12:09<SynrG>debianers?
12:09<SynrG>ah
12:09<niko_20010>yes
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12:10<SynrG>considering debian played a big part in the formation of OFTC, not a shocker.
12:10<niko_20010>oh, didn't know that
12:10<zumbi>isn't this irc.debian.org?
12:10<zumbi>:)
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12:11<niko_20010>zumbi: it forwards to OFTC
12:12<zumbi>yes
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12:13<Maulkin>niko_20010: Do you have a Debian support question? For general chat, could you use #debian-offtopic please?
12:14<niko_20010>Maulkin: OK, OT in #d-offtopic
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12:14<SynrG>!tell niko_20010 about oftc move
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12:36<alumno>hoa
12:36<alumno>hola
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12:37<alumno>hola
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12:38<Maulkin>!ask
12:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:39<Maulkin>!es
12:39<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:59<connor_>Where is the choice to select version (stable, testing, or sid) in the installer? I tried expert mode but never see it. I remember I used to be able to do this. Thanks.
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13:04<SynrG>connor_: it doesn't work that way. you install stable, then upgrade.
13:04<petn-randall>connor_: There is no such thing. You can change it after installation, though.
13:04<SynrG>connor_: and even if there was, it wouldn't work. how can the stable installer possibly know what to do to make a successful testing or unstable install? it would have to know the future.
13:05<SynrG>the only context in which having such a choice would make any sense is an installer made to install testing/unstable in the first place (and in that case, why wouldn't that simply be the default?)
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13:06<sney>didn't the businesscard installer have that option once upon a time
13:06<SynrG>so, not saying you're hallucinating at some point some installer included that. but i don't think it's a useful option to have.
13:07<SynrG>sney: in the case of fully bootstrapping the install from "elsewhere" ... maybe
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13:07<zoevkl>I think there was an installer where you enter manually the repository so you could install sid right away.
13:07<SynrG>but there currently is no public announcement of availability of any installer for testing/unstable
13:07<SynrG>so it's a moot point
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13:08<SynrG>to reiterate: at this stage in the release cycle, we only have the stable installer. we recommend you use that, and then upgrade -> testing / unstable.
13:08<SynrG>anything else is not yet supported.
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13:08<petn-randall>TL;DR: There was such thing in the past, but it's better to install stable and upgrade.
13:09<petn-randall></topic>
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13:14<Mohcine>Hi , PLease Help Me
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13:16<blast007>Mohcine: do you have a Debian linux support question?
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13:17<SynrG>we addressed this before.
13:18<SynrG>Mohcine: we don't support crunchbang here. see #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net for support for your OS.
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13:19<Mohcine>I want to change the shape of terminal http://www.securitronlinux.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/voyager-desktop.jpg
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13:20<connor_>Thank you all for the replies. Yeah the old business card iso must have done it. You can see it in this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwPPMx9rRO8 Thanks again.
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13:21<SynrG>Mohcine: right-click irc://chat.freenode.net/crunchbang and choose "connect"
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13:22<Mohcine>OK merci :)
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13:23<SynrG>Mohcine: de rien
13:23<connor_>And btw I asked cuz the testing isos arent working for me. Each one I've tried says "No kernal modules found" in the installer. Got to be a bug. I can do stable>testing though.
13:23<sney>yep, the testing installer is a new version of the installer. it can be expected to break just as much as testing itself, or even more
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13:24<connor_>True.
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13:24<SynrG>d-i team will announce when it's ready for general consumption (much later)
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13:25<connor_>Is this testing version installer really recent?
13:25<connor_>As in just added recently.
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13:25<SynrG>they're autobuilt regularly. nothing guarantees they work.
13:26<SynrG>they're generally only interesting if you're a d-i developer at this stage.
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13:26<blast007>from what I've heard here in the past, the "testing installer" is for testing the installer, not necessarily for installing testing
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13:26<connor_>Ah I see.
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14:25<scientes>anyone have a wrapper that 1) logs arguments 2) logs execution time
14:25<scientes>of an arbitrary program
14:25<scientes>i tried to write it myself but it doesn't work right
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14:35<blast007>scientes: tried this? /usr/bin/time -v command arguments
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14:43<zoevkl>when i do "modprove tun" it gives me an error "Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32-042stab068.8/modules.dep" which pkg should I install?
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14:43<dario^CIP>zoevkl: have you done depmod?
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14:44<zoevkl>it gives me an error "WARNING: Couldn't open directory /lib/modules/2.6.32-042stab068.8: No such file or directory
14:44<zoevkl>FATAL: Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.32-042stab068.8/modules.dep.temp for writing: No such file or directory"
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14:45<petn-randall>zoevkl: How did you install that kernel? Looks like you're missing all your modules.
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14:46<zoevkl>it' s a cheap vps that I will use for a vpn.
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14:46<sney>then you need to yell at your vps provider
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14:47<sney>because apparently they replaced the stock squeeze kernel with a different one, so whatever's going on is their fault
14:48<zoevkl>Ok, thanks, going to reinstall.
14:49<sney>consider using the current debian stable (7/wheezy) as it's better supported
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14:54<ml|>Hello, I assume that once a followup is sent to a bug. A copy is also sent to the package maintainer?
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14:58<maeru>Hello Guys. I have a problem with my Debian installation. When I first installed wheezy dual head display worked fine. Then I upgraded to the backports kernel and it stopped working. So I downgraded again, but now the monitors automatically go into "Mirror displays" mode and I can't set them properly using "xrandr". Is there an error log for things like this?
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15:21<zoevkl>it turns out the problem with TUN/TAP device was because is an openvz container, I just asked support to enable it.
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15:21<zoevkl>And Installed debian 7, so it's all good.
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15:34<valdyn>is there supposed to be a large delay between reporting a bug and that report showing on the debian bts
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15:36<dondelelcaro>valdyn: there's generally a delay of 3-10 minutes, but there shouldn't be a longer one than that
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15:37<dondelelcaro>valdyn: you should see the bug on the BTS shortly after you get your ACK message
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15:37<dondelelcaro>(if you don't, please contact owner@bugs.debian.org with details)
15:37<valdyn>dondelelcaro: thanks, im just to impatient
15:37<dondelelcaro>valdyn: no worries
15:38<dondelelcaro>assuming I actually have some free time, I'm going to work some more on making it faster, but that's blocking behind me switching the internals to using SQL in addition to flatfiles
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15:58<rene>hello
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15:59<rene>which channel i must join for help in configuring host wlan0 for virtual machine (bridge, tap)?
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16:04<rene>nobody can help?
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16:06<abrotman>dpkg: tell rene about ask
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16:07<rene>thanks
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16:25<ompaul>rene: your full question if it is debian related might be useful not can someone help in some other channel
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16:52<valdyn>dondelelcaro: it was 44 minutes
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17:26<dondelelcaro>valdyn: hrm; that's a bit long
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17:26<dondelelcaro>valdyn: is that the time it took you to get the ACK? or for it to show up after the ACK? or the time for it to show up in the package list?
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17:27<valdyn>dondelelcaro: the ack email, I cant say when the website got updated. When i checked both were there
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17:29<valdyn>dondelelcaro: greylisting added some delay i suppose "451 Greylisted, see http://postgrey.schweikert.ch/help/bugs.debian.org.html"
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17:30<dondelelcaro>valdyn: yeah, that's expected. but it generally shouldn't take very long once the mail is actually received; what bug #?
17:31<valdyn>dondelelcaro: if i understand my log correctly, then the first retry was at 21:35:35 but the final working retry was at 22:05:38. So the whole delay time is actually caused by my own systems
17:31<dondelelcaro>ah, cool.
17:32<valdyn>dondelelcaro: or greylisting took 40 out of those 44 minutes
17:32<dondelelcaro>yeah; your mailserver probably just doesn't retry very agressively for whatever reason. happens sometimes
17:32<dondelelcaro>(or it tried to aggressively at first, and got ignored)
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17:33<valdyn>dondelelcaro: doesnt try, thats ok now that i know it
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17:36<david89>Hello. I am running debian jessie. I'm having problems building a Qt5 program. Running make tells me that it doesn't recognize the quick module. I think I installed all quick related packages, what could I be missing?
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17:36<petn-randall>So with /etc/sysctl.conf there's a way to change vars in /proc/sys/ on boot time, is there an equivalent for /sys/ ?
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17:37<valdyn>exim4 config claims to retry every 15 minutes, but the log file is not showing one between 2 retries in 30 minutes, strange
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17:49<valdyn>petn-randall: dont think so
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17:50<valdyn>petn-randall: nevermind, check out the package "sysfsutils"
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17:51<valdyn>petn-randall: what do you actually want to do though? There might be a package that does it on a higher level.
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17:53<petn-randall>valdyn: Enable ALPM on my AHCI, amongst other things.
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17:54<petn-randall>valdyn: systfsutils is pretty much what I'm looking for, thanks.
17:54<petn-randall>valdyn: Must've missed in my initial search.
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18:04<EmleyMoor-laptop>My main Debian box has crashed, and one of its RAID arrays is in an odd state. I've booted up grml but cannot work out how to get that array back to "normal"... can anyone advise? It shows as inactive and all devices have (S) after them now
18:04<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: which raid level?
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18:05<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: bad..
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18:06<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: take the drives that you think form a complete working set of at least 4 and assemble them with --assume-clean
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18:06<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: the order is important
18:06<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: and the "missing" where appropriate is important
18:07<EmleyMoor-laptop>valdyn: What exactly do I do?
18:07<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: i wont tell you
18:07<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: read up on it, this is very dangerous to your data
18:08<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: you should have the right order either written down somewhere or you might be able to --examine raid members to get info about the ordering
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18:08<EmleyMoor-laptop>valdyn: OK, without suggesting an order, what commands/switches do I need?
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18:10<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --assume-clean --level=6 --raid-devices=5 /dev/sdb1 missing /dev/sdc1
18:10<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: something like that, i had to google most of this too
18:11<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: i did this once and i got lucky that i had the order right on first try and that the data was ok
18:11<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: you might need to specifiy the metadata version too (--metadata)
18:11<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: ( i cant say if any version might interfer with the actual data of another version )
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18:12<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: but that one should be easily solveable with --examine
18:12<EmleyMoor-laptop>Hmmm...
18:12<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: getting this wrong once is not a problem however
18:13<EmleyMoor-laptop>Looks like, from an examine, three of them think the other has failed
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18:13<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: *but* after you did your first try wrongly the --examine is useless and wont yield useful information
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18:14<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: so examine all disks, save the data, create the raid, do read-only tests if the data is ok across all disks, retry if needed
18:14<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: and dont forget the --assume-clean, or else they will start syncing
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18:16<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: i have no idea how md can fuck this up in a way that each has marked the other disk failed, but thats what had happened to me on a raid5 too
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18:17<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: theres chunk-sizes too, but thats also shown in --examine
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18:18<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: then theres also the odd case where the actual raid was smaller than its container ( partition? )
18:18<EmleyMoor-laptop>Hmmm... getting Device or resource busy, failed container membership check...
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18:18<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: you havent rebooted yet...
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18:19<EmleyMoor-laptop>valdyn: Is rebooting needed/relevant/helpful in this state?
18:19<EmleyMoor-laptop>I can't make any progress
18:20<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: i forgot how to unbusy the disks. It can be done via sysfs.
18:20<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: rebooting is just something that works too
18:21<EmleyMoor-laptop>Can't see it helping here
18:21<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: maybe your disk firmware crashed, thats possible too, only a poweroff would fix that, but that too can be done via sysfs
18:22<EmleyMoor-laptop>Seems unlikely
18:22<valdyn>EmleyMoor-laptop: i certainly had more disk firmware crahes than physical disk crashes
18:24<EmleyMoor-laptop>This is a case of "neither"
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18:24<EmleyMoor-laptop>The other parts of the disk work
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18:29<EmleyMoor-laptop>I just can't debusy these partitions, it seems
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18:38<EmleyMoor-laptop>Hmmm... looks like I've got it back on 3 out of 4 devices
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19:21<alegen>hey guys, can anybody give me a few hints on how to install two linuxes on my lappy?
19:21<alegen>my main question is: how do i get grub to see both? i tried once and update-grub would only see one
19:22<alegen>should i use the same /boot partition for both installations?
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19:26<petn-randall>alegen: The simplest way would be one large partition for each. Both should have a recent bootloader.
19:26<petn-randall>alegen: Actually, the safest way would be to only have a bootloader installed in one of them, and not in the other.
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19:27<stderr>I would put /home on its own partition and mount it on both systems.
19:29<petn-randall>stderr: That might also work, but can break configuration files if different version of programs are run.
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19:30<petn-randall>For example, a newer firefox might upgrade the user configuration sqlite, and the older one will be unable to read it.
19:30<stderr>In that case I would send a bugreport.
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19:31<alegen>no no, i want to use encrypted lvm for root/home... i`m only wondering what to do with grub and the boot partition(s)
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19:33<stderr>I'm not sure what I would do...
19:33<petn-randall>alegen: Separate / and /boot for each installation.
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19:34<petn-randall>stderr: How is that a bug? The applications don't guarantee to always be forward *and* backwards compatible.
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19:35<stderr>petn-randall: Lots of place share /home between not just Linux distributions, but also other Unix-like systems. If your program can't handle that, it sucks and should be fixed.
19:36<petn-randall>stderr: How would *any* config file format changes work with that assumption? That's simply ignoring reality.
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19:37<stderr>petn-randall: ~/.config/foo-v1 vs. ~/.config/foo-v2 could be one solution.
19:37<petn-randall>stderr: I agree it would be great to have, but several popular applications (firefox, thunderbird, libreoffice) aren't forwards-compatible.
19:38<stderr>If the program can't handle different versions being installed (on different operating systems), my only other solution would be to simple not use that program at all.
19:38<petn-randall>stderr: And even if, you'd loose the main benefit of actually sharing /home between your OS's.
19:38<stderr>Is that a better solution?
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19:39<stderr>My main benefit of sharing /home is not the sharing of ~/.config, but the sharing of all of "my" files. The stuff I care about.
19:39<petn-randall>Well, the only proper solution is to make sure that the programs are roughly the same version and make regular backups ...
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19:40<stderr>Or what I have been forced to do in some cases... Wrapper scripts... :-(
19:40<stderr>Or stupid symlinks back and forth...
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19:49<Kartenzeichner>Hello. How do I disable the "x application is ready" notification?
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19:51<devil_>where does it come from? never seen that
19:51<petn-randall>Kartenzeichner: What's the context? I don't get that message.
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19:52<Kartenzeichner>In Gnome. Whenever I start an application, i.e. Skype, I get a "Skype is ready" notification that pops up from the bottom of my screen every time I receive a message.
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19:53<petn-randall>Kartenzeichner: Oh, I see. I don't use Gnome 3, but I remember it was an option somewhere in the gnome-control-center.
19:55<Kartenzeichner>I've checked that, and it's not there for some reason.
19:55<Kartenzeichner>Thanks anyway.
19:56<stderr>Kartenzeichner: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8011261/disable-gnome-3-notifications-pop-ups-integrated-notifications
19:56<stderr>Is that what you're looking for?
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19:57<Kartenzeichner>stderr: Yup, thanks.
19:57<stderr>No problem.
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20:33<Celelaptop>Hello
20:33<Celelaptop>I would like to build qemu from the sources (to try something before reporting a bug).
20:34<Celelaptop>But it keeps trying to build every single package built from qemu sources.
20:34<Celelaptop>While I just need one or two.
20:34<Celelaptop>Is there any way to configure it?
20:34<sney>!debian/rules
20:34<dpkg>debian/rules is the makefile used when building a .deb from source, edit it to change compilation options. Some packages use sophisticated build systems that should be documented in debian/README.source. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version number. See also <makefile>, <hold>, <package recompile>, <source>, <unique package version>.
20:35<sney>and debian.org/doc/maint-guide for a general packaging reference
20:36<themill>the upstream build system will probably still do the same amount of compiling though
20:36<Celelaptop>README.source only say "this package use quilt, here is how you use quilt".
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20:36<Celelaptop>No, I don't think the upstream package would build every single supported CPU emulation. At least that's not what I understood.
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20:37<Celelaptop>upstream build system
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20:37<themill>so you could tweak d/rules and d/control for that -- it probably would take you longer to do that than to rebuild the package though
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20:38<Celelaptop>I do that because I don't have enough disk space to compile everything.
20:38<themill>ahh
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21:27<cae>Celelaptop: just tried it, it seems to be possible to strip the "unwanted" Package:-paragraphs from d/control, so just the remaining packages get built... but it still results in 2.3 GB object data
21:27<Celelaptop>it compiled everything I think.
21:28<Celelaptop>Using the qemu build system directly I end up with a directory of 78MB.
21:28<Celelaptop>See that factor 30? :)
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21:30<Celelaptop>I guess striping the unwanted package descriptions from debian/control only prevent the building of the .deb, not the building of the object data.
21:30<cae>Celelaptop: yeah, you're right, I restored the original d/control and it didn't do any CC actions
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22:05<sta|ker>Hey guys, I have an issue here where whenever I load urxvt (or xterm) in openbox and an ~/.Xresources file exists, the shell won't allow me to use a wildcard (for instant ls * is a literal, not a wildcard). I basically only change the color, font, and transparency in the .Xresources file
22:06<sta|ker>is this something anyone might know about?
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22:09<dondelelcaro>sta|ker: ls *; is interpreted by the shell, so that shouldn't matter
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22:10<dondelelcaro>sta|ker: but it's possible that * for some reason isn't actually *
22:10<sta|ker>Well, I tried setting noglob on and off
22:11<sta|ker>but it didn't change anything
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22:12<dondelelcaro>sta|ker: hrm; what shell is this? does it work if you use dash or bash or zsh or something else?
22:12<sta|ker>bash, but yeah, it's weird, sh still has the issue
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22:13<sta|ker>I've even tried using plain old xterm
22:14<sta|ker>and if I move .Xresources, to say fooXresources, the wild card works
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22:15<dondelelcaro>sta|ker: hrm; what does xrdb -query; and shopt -p; output?
22:15<dondelelcaro>sta|ker: I assume it starts working when you spawn a new xterm?
22:16<sta|ker>yes, it seems to be during the load/init process of the terminals
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22:18<dondelelcaro>sta|ker: and I assume echo *|hexdump -C; or similar outputs something sane when echo *; isn't working properly?
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22:20<sta|ker>well, with the two commands (xrdb, and shopt), there doesn't appear to be a difference between the moved Xresources, and the regular .Xresources
22:20<dondelelcaro>sta|ker: yeah, that's pretty odd... I couldn't think of anything which would cause that, but... you do have something in this directory that you're running echo *; in, right?
22:21<sta|ker>as for the hexdump, I get: 2a 0a |*.|
22:21<sta|ker>yeah, it's not empty
22:21<sta|ker>home folder
22:21<dondelelcaro>yeah, that's right. OK. Sorry, I don't have any real ideal then.
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22:22<sta|ker>It appears I don't even have to load a new shell, just move the .Xresources file to another name
22:22<sta|ker>:/, thanks for the help though
22:23<dondelelcaro>hrm. you're certain you have something in the home directory, right?
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22:23<dondelelcaro>which doesn't start with a .?
22:24<sta|ker>... I now feel like an ass, yeah, that was the problem.
22:24*sta|ker feels like a 100% newb
22:25<sta|ker>Thanks, I probably would have spent another couple hours wondering why it didn't work
22:28<dondelelcaro>no worries
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