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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-11-21

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02:57<rmrfchik>how to manage options for nfs mounting by autofs?
02:58<rmrfchik>i tried "opts" in /etc/auto.net; seems it has no effect
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03:11<jm_>rmrfchik: in the past mount showed them but nowadays it looks like it prints some internal options for autofs fs type
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03:11<jm_>so I suspect opts is OK, you just don't see the actual options
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03:17<rmrfchik>jm_: I added "soft", but mount shows "hard". I think this should be "soft"
03:17<rmrfchik>actually, I want to use cachefilesd
03:17<jm_>rmrfchik: interesting, for me it doesn't show any of the nfs options, it just shows type autofs (rw,relatime,fd=13,pgrp=4378,timeout=10,minproto=5,maxproto=5,offset)
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03:20<rmrfchik>a lot more for me: (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,vers=4.0,rsize=524288,wsize=524288,namlen=255,hard,proto=tcp,port=0,timeo=600,retrans=2,sec=sys,clientaddr=10.31.90.11,local_lock=none,addr=10.31.90.113)
03:20<rmrfchik>where it came from? weird
03:20<rmrfchik>autofs5?
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03:20<jm_>yeah that's how I had it in the past, no idea when or why this changed (current options shown are useless for user)
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03:21<jm_>yeah I have autofs5 from wheezy
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03:28<jm_>ok I get it, it shows them once I cd into the dir, ls is not enough :)
03:28<jm_>but yeah it looks the same as for you
03:29<rmrfchik>good ;)
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03:29<rmrfchik>now, hot to change options? I don't care for hard/soft, I want cachefiles
03:33<jm_>/etc/auto.master.d/net.autofs is the right one nowadays it looks
03:35<jm_>actually it looks like it honours both here (so also opts in auto.net)
03:38<rmrfchik>hm, don't have this dir
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03:38<rmrfchik>only autofs.* files
03:38<rmrfchik>i mean, auto.*
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03:39<jm_>looks like I created that after seeing it in auto.master, so in my setup i have duplicate maps but it can survive that
03:40<jm_>ahh no, I also moved it out of auto.master so all's ok
03:41<jm_>so this is just a new fancy way of relying on foo.d to hold files (we're seeing the same pattern for config files elsewhere too more and more)
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04:53<merlin1991>I've removed the wrong folder in lib/modules by accident :$ but now I have this followupproblem: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 has Reinstallation of linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
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04:54<jm_>!bat
04:54<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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04:57<merlin1991>thanks jm_, that made me look into /etc/apt/prefernces :D
04:57<merlin1991>where ofc I had pinned a different kernel version with priority 1000
04:58<jm_>no worries
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05:58<styx-tdo_>hi, i need help with Apt-Pinning :/.. I need to stay atphp 5.3... but it seems that I cannot add multiple sections that match one package, i.e. php5-ps as wheezy shall be 500, as squeeze 1900. apt-cache policy output looks weird- all pachages have the same prioirty.
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06:00<josch>hi, is anybody using one of the newer lenovo thinkpads without physical clickbuttons and can tell me their experience with them and how easy/hard they integrate with something that is not the stock windows 8 - eg: debian?
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06:01<James_T>josch: entirely tiuch?
06:01<babilen>stevecotton: If you want to stay on PHP 5.3 then you have to use a distribution that supports it. Wheezy comes with 5.4, which means that you should stay with squeeze. Given that you only have until May 2014 before security support runs out you might want to consider using a different distribution. Please also keep in mind that PHP upstream does *not* support 5.3 as well either (e.g. http://php.net/archive/2013.php#id2013-07-11-1 )
06:01<babilen>styx-tdo_: ^^^
06:01<babilen>stevecotton: sorry, ENICK
06:01<styx-tdo_>babilen: http://pastebin.com/6gBKFNHG
06:02<styx-tdo_>i added squeeze,wheezy,jessie
06:02<josch>James_T: what do you mean by "entirely tiuch"?
06:02<babilen>styx-tdo_: Are you mixing squeeze, wheezy and jessie?
06:02<James_T>Entirely touch
06:02<styx-tdo_>if the packages stay consistent, it should not be an issue
06:02<James_T>:P
06:02<styx-tdo_>i.e. kernel from jessie and php from squeeze do actually work ;)
06:02<babilen>styx-tdo_: Well, to continue the thought that I began earlier: Get your developers to work on support for 5.4 -- You had long enough, running 5.3 is *not* acceptable anymore.
06:03<styx-tdo_>not my choice.
06:03<styx-tdo_>sadly.
06:03<James_T>josch: it should get registered like a touchscreen in win... try it with a livecd
06:03<styx-tdo_>i did highlight this. multiple times. to no avail.
06:03<babilen>styx-tdo_: I refuse to support that system and would strongly advise to *not* mix oldstable, stable and testing. (or stable and testing fwiw)
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06:03<josch>James_T: I dont have access to the hardware, therefore I cannot try and asking here for experiences
06:04<James_T>Oh ok :)
06:04<styx-tdo_>would you support the hypothetical question on how to properly pin packages?
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06:04<josch>James_T: I got that typo but what do you mean by "entirely touch"? That the touchpad is entirely touch? Well of course it is - it's a called touchpad. But the whole laptop is of course not entirely touch because it has a keyboard with buttons to click. So what did you mean when you saidd "entirely touch"?
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06:05<styx-tdo_>or tell me where i can find the value of the release tag without downloading each package? It _is_ stored somewhere, but I cannot find out where
06:05<babilen>styx-tdo_: No, I mean you aren't even "just" mixing oldstable and stable (which would be bad enough in itself) but also throw testing into the mix. This is, for a variety of reasons, a very bad approach and I won't really put work into it to make you achieve it.
06:06<styx-tdo_>fu.. jessie is TESTING?? _ouch_
06:06<styx-tdo_>sorry
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06:07<SynrG>josch: simplify your question. are you just asking if debian supports tap-to-click?
06:07<styx-tdo_>ok. i'll re-install. Still, the problem stays ;)
06:07<SynrG>josch: if so, the answer is "yes"
06:08<josch>SynrG: what is tap-to-click?
06:08<josch>I never used a touchpad
06:08<josch>only the trackstick and the three mouse buttons
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06:08<James_T>SynrG: how about configuring the corners?
06:08<SynrG>josch: where you tap the keypad with one, two or three fingers to simulate left, middle, right buttons
06:08<SynrG>josch: see the synaptics man page
06:08<babilen>styx-tdo_: Seriously: Speak to whoever is in charge, make them aware that Squeeze will only be supported until May 2014 and that upstream PHP EOLed PHP 5.3 this summer and they will provide security support for another year. You *have* to work on upgrading your application *now* and not doing that is a very bad technological decision.
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06:09<josch>SynrG: I want to keep my hands on the keyboard the whole time so ideally I would disable the touchpad and only keep the buttons
06:09<James_T>Jos
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06:09<SynrG>James_T: again, the synaptics man page covers this.
06:09<styx-tdo_>babilen: i used the debian 7.2 amd64 netinstall iso.. that's why jessie is in there. removed.
06:09<josch>but I guess this is done by some windows driver?
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06:09<SynrG>josch: that's possible on debian, too
06:09<josch>SynrG: okay
06:09<SynrG>josch: again ... the synaptics man page :)
06:09<James_T>josch: usually you can disable it via synaptics
06:09<James_T>In software
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06:10<josch>James_T, SynrG: thanks!
06:10<SynrG>if you're using gnome, it has its own control widget
06:10<babilen>styx-tdo_: That should not have happened as 7.2 is *wheezy* (current stable)
06:10<SynrG>you can disable it there
06:10<babilen>dpkg: tell styx-tdo_ -about netinstall
06:10<SynrG>or else, if the driver for your ACPI functions works properly ...
06:10<josch>my other question would be the hardware side
06:10<styx-tdo_>i'll retest after reinstall
06:10<babilen>dpkg: tell styx-tdo_ -about firmware images
06:10<SynrG>your soft-key (Fn) should disable it
06:10<josch>for how it is to click on a button which doesnt exist
06:10<josch>never did that
06:10<James_T>I even got my dedicated touchpad button working
06:10<josch>that's why I was asking for somebody who ever used one of these laptops
06:11<babilen>styx-tdo_: My recommendation would be: run your legacy application in a VM and work on upgrading it. Everything else will be a nightmare and very irresponsible.
06:11<SynrG>josch: as i said before you clarified, you can configure tap-to-click to simulate clicks
06:11<SynrG>josch: it is disabled by default
06:11<styx-tdo_>and I know. it is an uphill battle. but that is politics that are not relevant. and i always wanted to know why pinning is not working. and this is actually for the VM;)
06:11<SynrG>josch: but your question was too narrow. you asked for experience with Thinkpad. i don't have any.
06:11<josch>SynrG: okay i see
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06:12<josch>yes, I'm also experienced in the feeling of clicking it
06:12<SynrG>josch: what i know about synaptics on a different platform should apply equally to your situation
06:12<josch>because articles I read are quite vague
06:12<SynrG>the one i've contributed to on the debian wiki is quite specific.
06:12<josch>SynrG: which one?
06:12<SynrG>!synaptics
06:12<dpkg>Synaptics is an X.org driver for laptop touchpads/trackpads. Install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options; configuration tools include synclient and gpointing-device-settings. http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad . See also <clickpad>, <trackpoint>.
06:12<josch>SynrG: I'm not talking about the software side anymore
06:12<josch>SynrG: you told me that it should work fine
06:13<josch>but about the hardware side
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06:13<SynrG>i'm not sure what your question about the hardware side is ...
06:13<josch>which, as I said above, I found nowhere to be sufficiently described
06:13<SynrG>if it has no buttons to click, that must be simulated in software.
06:13<babilen>styx-tdo_: Install squeeze in the VM and upgrade the application before you lose all security support (in particular if this is a web-facing production machine)
06:13<SynrG>or else, what do you mean?
06:13<James_T>josch: like being able to disable it?
06:13<styx-tdo_>babilen: the security etc considerations aside, can you help me with the pinning issue?
06:13<josch>SynrG: some articles suggest that there is still a physical button in the uppor part under the trackpad
06:14<babilen>styx-tdo_: Why? You don't have to pin on squeeze and that is the sane approach.
06:14<josch>which would mean that a mouse click is not a tap but an actual click
06:14<josch>without having buttons
06:14<josch>which is weird
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06:14<josch>and thus I asked who ever used such a model
06:14<James_T>josch: can do both
06:14<josch>so that I could find out how this clicking works
06:14<styx-tdo_>because i want to know what i am doing wrong for the future
06:14<James_T>Can also reconfigure the touchpad in software
06:14<babilen>styx-tdo_: I might be pursuaded to take a look at some "apt-cache policy" output, but seriously: *do* the right thing™
06:15<babilen>dpkg: tell styx-tdo_ -about pinning
06:15<josch>James_T: did you use or see one of these new thinkpads?
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06:15<SynrG>josch: you can still use that article i linked to in order to find out if it has buttons
06:15<babilen>styx-tdo_: Please also read the errata and keep in mind that "The * behind the Package: label is not a wildcard. It is a special case that means "everything". Wildcards are NOT supported."
06:16<styx-tdo_>babilen: one sec for pastebin
06:16<SynrG>josch: there are instructions there for digging the buttons line out of the Xorg log
06:16<James_T>Not particularly. Just touchpads are completely useless without a driver to control them
06:16<SynrG>that won't tell you where, physically, to click ...
06:16<josch>SynrG: but to find that out I would need physical access which I dont have
06:16<SynrG>i see. so you're pondering a purchase?
06:16<josch>SynrG: correct
06:16<josch>and it's hard to find a laptop with a trackstick
06:16<styx-tdo_>babilen: http://pastebin.com/SLV1uSgq
06:16<James_T>Ooo
06:17<josch>dell used to have them but they now added a numpad to the right which makes the keyboard placement not symmetric to the screen anymore
06:17<James_T>Yeah
06:17<SynrG>josch: normally i find some showroom of an electronics store where i can poke at stuff before i buy :/
06:17<josch>and lenovo used to have them too but then they removed the physical mouse buttons
06:17<James_T>Business models right?
06:17<josch>James_T: correct
06:17<josch>the dell latitude series
06:18<James_T>Yeah
06:18<josch>SynrG: yeah that wont work here - I've already been in seven shops and only find acer, asus etc laptops with touchpad only
06:18<styx-tdo_>babilen: d*.. i think i got it
06:18<josch>only business line laptops seem to have tracksticks
06:18<SynrG>josch: sucks
06:18<styx-tdo_>if using names, it is n= , not a=
06:18<josch>but then they do stuff like adding an asymmetric numpad or removing the mouse buttons -.-
06:18<babilen>styx-tdo_: it should be fairly obvious from the "apt-cache policy output"
06:19<babilen>styx-tdo_: Oh, dear .. and please your priorities are, well, horrible. You really shouldn't use anything >= 1001 and even that should be done sparingly.
06:19<josch>maybe I should travel a but further to visit an acutual lenovo store - but that of course would again cost more money :)
06:19<James_T>josch: consumer laptops are generally poorer quality in some cases too
06:19<josch>James_T: sure, and that as well
06:19<josch>oh, plus, would a debian live usb stick work on those models?
06:19<josch>they require secure boot
06:20<josch>so they should not boot off a usb stick, right?
06:20<styx-tdo_>babilen: that is after some time fighting. ;) not really something i'd normally do.
06:20<babilen>styx-tdo_: And, fwiw, the number behind the version number is <minimum-priority-to-consider>, but that is also explained in the errata. Why do you run this on wheezy? Squeeze has 5.3 and you wouldn't need any of this?
06:20<James_T>josch: shim I think can work. Secure boot should be able to be disabled
06:20<James_T>Even the surface pros can have it disabled
06:21<styx-tdo_>as mentioned, now this is mainly to understand this pinning thing. the box will be purged and squeezed afterwards
06:21<josch>James_T: which gets to the problem that windows 8.1 per default boots with fast boot enabled which means that one can only get into the uefi menu via a windows software, which in turn means I at some point have to click "I agree with the windows terms and conditions" - I should stop being picky :P
06:21<SynrG>booting random OSes from a USB in a computer showroom may have its own set of other problems that have nothing to do with technical barriers :P
06:21<SynrG>i've never attempted this :)
06:22<josch>SynrG: :)
06:22<James_T>josch: you can hold a key from boot to prevent fastboot
06:22<josch>James_T: ah cool, didnt know that!
06:22<James_T>Linux is getting fastboot support too
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06:24<styx-tdo_>babilen: there was some option (?) to get more debug info about the selection process.. but i cannot find it anymore
06:25<babilen>styx-tdo_: aptitude has "-D" or "-W"
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06:26<styx-tdo_>babilen: not installed.. just apt-get.. hm
06:26<styx-tdo_>will try. ;) the box is wasted, anyways. good time to play ^^
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06:31<gerard>hey i'm new to irc chat and it seems suspiciously quiet on the zend framework channels
06:31<gerard>could i be doing something wrong?
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06:31<Guest6477>Does anyone know where I can get a source iso of debian netinst, or all the packages contained in the netinst iso.
06:31<Guest6477>?
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06:31<jm_>!cd contents
06:31<dpkg>To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/).
06:32<SynrG>gerard: connecting to wrong irc network?
06:33<SynrG>gerard: http://framework.zend.com/irc/
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06:33<SynrG>freenode, not here (oftc)
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06:34<gerard>SynrG i think not i'm on #zftalk.dev
06:34*SynrG shrugs
06:34<chris>hi everyone, i just wrote a file with a couple of commands which should be executed each startup as root. the file is currently saved on my desktop named "startup" just on the state it comes out of the editor. so my question how to bring debian to execute commands?
06:34<gerard>it doesn't come up in xchat search but this channel does
06:34<SynrG>gerard: i'm only quoting what it says on the web page i linked to
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06:35<jm_>chris: /etc/init.d/skeleton or /etc/rc.local
06:35<SynrG>gerard: you are on #zftalk.dev @ irc.oftc.net, which is *not* #zftalk.dev @ irc.freenode.net
06:35<SynrG>gerard: completely different network
06:35<jm_>as in rewrite it with the help of the skeleton file
06:35<gerard>chris: can you add it to a bashrc like in ubuntu?
06:35<Guest6477>is dpkg a bot?
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06:35<gerard>cheers
06:35<chris>no idea...
06:36<stderr>Guest6477: In this channel, yes.
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06:36<Guest6477>ok, well I have a list of all the debs then for the netinst iso, but how do I get the source from the deb name?
06:36<Guest6477>I don't want to have to download each package by hand! :)
06:37<gerard>chris: i don't use debian but .bashrc is executed when ubuntu is loaded and there you can execute another script
06:37<SynrG>Guest6477: building a custom installer is a bit outside the scope of what we can help with here.
06:37<zumbi>!hi
06:37<dpkg>hello, zumbi
06:37<gerard>" when ubuntu is loaded" when a user logs in actually. it's ~/.bashrc
06:37<SynrG>Guest6477: that's a topic for #debian-boot. but they're a busy team. you had better read all the doc before asking for support there.
06:37<chris>jm_: please healp me a litlebit with the skeleton-thing...
06:38<SynrG>gerard, chris: ~/.bashrc is totally off the mark for what i understand chris wants to accomplish.
06:38<Guest6477>I'm just after the sources of the netinst iso.
06:38<stderr>Guest6477: apt-get source <package>
06:39<stderr>Repeat for each package...
06:39<Guest6477>ok. apt-get source libxmuu1_1.1.1-1_i386.deb
06:39<jm_>chris: be specific what you need help with + describe what you actually want to do (as in start what ...)
06:39<jm_>it's apt-get source libxmuu1
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06:40<chris>get a file autolunched
06:40<Guest6477>I know, but that differs to the list given by http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/ which the dpkg bot said I should look at.
06:40<gerard>synrg: sorry it seemed like he had a user startup script to execute and that was an easy solution. how is it not what is required?
06:40<stderr>chris: When? At boot time or when you log in?
06:41<SynrG>Guest6477, stderr: this attempt to address Guest6477's issue is going nowhere fast, i think. better read the doc on how to build a custom installer first.
06:41<chris>at boot, after startx
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06:41<jm_>for startx use your session manager to achieve what you want, or ~/.xsession
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06:41<SynrG>gerard: reread his actual question? a script to execute *as root* at startup
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06:42<SynrG>gerard: and 'once' was part of his requirements too
06:42<stderr>chris: Look at the skeleton file and do as SynrG said, read the docs.
06:42<jm_>or DE if it offers such functionality
06:42<Guest6477>So where and how can I get the netinst iso sources?
06:42<SynrG>stderr: are you muddling the two? i didn't point at the docs for chris, but for Guest6477 trying to build a custom installer :)
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06:43<jm_>there is no netinst source, it's simply built from binary packages ...
06:43<stderr>SynrG: Probably... :-) But read the docs anyway... :-)
06:43<SynrG>;)
06:44<SynrG>Guest6477: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller#Development
06:44<gerard>synrG: ok
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06:45<SynrG>Guest6477: a bunch of topics there. read until you understand what it is you want to do and how you are going to accomplish it ... then if you *still* have questions after reading all the relevant doc, #debian-boot can help.
06:45<Guest6477>I still have questions.
06:45<SynrG>*still*? it has been seconds since i've pointed you at the doc ...
06:45<Guest6477>How do I download the netinst iso sources?
06:45<SynrG>fast reader?
06:45<SynrG>read the doc. read the doc. read the doc.
06:45<Guest6477>Not the debian-installer sources.
06:45*SynrG gives up
06:46<Guest6477>The netinst iso sources.
06:46<stderr>Can you name one of the sources you're looking for?
06:46<SynrG>can you not, and leave us alone?
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06:47<SynrG>the answers are, i'm sure, in the doc. and if not, #debian-boot can help, not here.
06:47<Guest6477>I have a list of 576 debs.
06:47<Guest6477>All supplied on the debian netinst iso.
06:47<Guest6477>I want to be able to download those debs or the netinst iso sources.
06:47<stderr>For each of those, find the package name. (Hint: Everything before the first _)
06:47<Guest6477>(same thing)
06:48<stderr>Then apt-get source <package>
06:48<SynrG>"download those debs" is not getting sources.
06:48<SynrG>it's getting debs
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06:48<Guest6477>*deb sources
06:48<Guest6477>excuse mwe :)
06:49<SynrG>what do you mean by "deb sources"? then. you seem to have a private definition of "sources" that we are not understanding.
06:49<Guest6477>I mean the sources that got compiled and built into the debs.
06:49<stderr>Have you tried what I said?
06:50<SynrG>ok, then this question has been answered many times already
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06:51<Guest6477>stderr, not really practical going through a list of 576 debs one by one and finding out the package name is it?
06:51<SynrG>per binary deb, you need to 'apt-get source <sourcepackagename>' where <sourcepackagename> is the name of the source package that built that deb.
06:51<SynrG>with a script, it's practical
06:51<stderr>Guest6477: Pfffttt... It's a one-liner...
06:52<SynrG>i'm pretty sure it's more than one line
06:52<SynrG>you would want to dedup the package listing at least
06:52<Maulkin>Everything's one line with perl.
06:52<stderr>SynrG: | sort | uniq .... :-)
06:52<SynrG>well, yes ... but can you read and understand that one line easily? :)
06:53<Guest6477>indeed, the deb name differs a fair bit.
06:53<stderr>SynrG: You don't have to. You just have to write it.
06:53<SynrG>stderr: write-only code ... gnarrghhh ... <clawing eyes out>
06:53<Guest6477>Should I really have to write code to get free software sources?
06:53<SynrG>Guest6477: you still haven't said *why* you want to do this ...
06:53<stderr>Guest6477: Of course not... You can get them by hand.
06:53<SynrG>i had assumed you want to do this to build your own
06:53<SynrG>i guess i'm wrong
06:54<SynrG>because it's insane to build your own from a pile of sources ...
06:54<Guest6477>Well I'd still like that pile of sources :)
06:54*jm_ shakes head
06:54<stderr>Maybe he wants to make a Guestian distro that looks exactly like Debian, except for the name.
06:55<Guest6477>Maybe I've remastered an iso. And simply want to distribute it whilst complying with the GPL
06:55<SynrG>if he wants to do that and he needs *this* much hand-holding, well, all I can say is "good luck with that"
06:55<Maulkin>Guest6477: You've been given the information you need to get the sources - now if you don't tell us what you're actually trying to do, I think this conversation is over.
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06:57<Guest6477>Maulkin, it could take years getting the sources by hand.
06:57<SynrG>Guest6477: if it was built from debian sources, just point the user at Debian's archives. that's sufficient for GPL compliance.
06:58<SynrG>if you want exact sources from one instant in time so all sources exactly match, then just do a "partial mirror" of the Debian archive
06:58<SynrG>such as reprepro can build for you
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06:59<SynrG>remastering is a kludgy approach. i'd build my own custom netinst directly off the debian archive, applying customizations, if i were you.
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07:01<SynrG>Guest6477: the reason this "simple thing" you want to do is so hard is, you're trying to do something a way that is not well-supported. the doc i pointed at earlier covers how to make a custom netinst properly.
07:02<SynrG>(and it's not so 'hard' anyway to process a pile of debs, dig out the package name, find the source package name, dedup, and apt-get source each one)
07:02<stderr>Guest6477: Can we ask what's special about your remastered iso?
07:02<SynrG>Guest6477: see grep-dctrl from dctrl-tools for a tool that can pull any arbitrary field for a package
07:03<weasel>SynrG: no, it isn't.
07:03<SynrG>Guest6477: that will get you the source package name per binary package name (which you can sed out from the find on the pile-o-debs)
07:03<weasel>SynrG: if you build from GPL sources you got from debian, and you ship binaries, *you* have to provide sources (or a written offer, blablabla)
07:03<Guest6477>indeed.
07:03<Guest6477>That's what I thought.
07:03<SynrG>weasel: i stand corrected.
07:04<SynrG>weasel: i thought he was simply remixing the iso itself, not building from GPL sources
07:04<Maulkin>Guest6477: Well, if you're building it, you have the source, right?
07:04<Guest6477>No, I'm remastering.
07:04<Maulkin>So, you're not building?
07:04<Guest6477>No.
07:04<weasel>SynrG: (even if you're not building, you have to do that)
07:04<Maulkin>What do you mean by remastering? What exactly are you changing?
07:04<weasel>i.e. you can't just ship our binaries and say "get the sources from debian"
07:04<weasel>(bbl, food)
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07:05<SynrG>weasel: got it. but my reprepro idea would work for him, in that case
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07:05<stderr>Seriously, is anyone even going to download his remastered ISO? If not, he's not distributing binaries...
07:05<Guest6477>Doesn't matter how many people download it, I could get sued.
07:05<SynrG>stderr: that's a completely different (albeit somewhat cynical) issue :)
07:06<SynrG>Guest6477: it's not going to be worth anyone's time to sue you, imho :p
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07:06<SynrG>but ianal
07:06<stderr>Guest6477: If(number_of_people==0) { /* Who's going to sue? */ }
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07:07<Guest6477>So it's basically not easy to get the source code for the netinst iso.
07:07<Maulkin>Guest6477: Download http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/source/iso-dvd/*
07:07<SynrG>Guest6477: incidentally, live-build has a) the ability to include an installer b) the ability to automatically build a sources iso c) is configurable by very simple scripts.
07:07<Maulkin>Guest6477: You have the source.
07:07<stderr>Guest6477: It is! As you have been told about a million times.
07:07<Maulkin>Now, you've also been told how to get less source if you want it.
07:07<Guest6477>Maulkin, thank you :)
07:07<Guest6477>That's what I was after!
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07:07<SynrG>but that's not "the sources of the netinst"
07:08<SynrG>it is a superset
07:08<Maulkin>Guest6477: that's for wheezy, bear in mind
07:08<Guest6477>It includes the packages I think.
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07:08<stderr><stderr> Guest6477: Can we ask what's special about your remastered iso?
07:08<Maulkin>Guest6477: Without you telling us what you've modified, and what you're actually trying to comply with, for which component, it's very hard for us to tell you what you actually need.
07:09<Guest6477>Maulkin, I've got the sources for all the other packages I included.
07:09<Guest6477>stderr, it doesn't use Gnome, KDE, xfce.
07:09<Maulkin>Guest6477: That's still not answering the question. You may also need the source to the actual installer.
07:09<Maulkin>Which you can get from https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/CheckOut
07:10<Maulkin>Except you can't at the moment...
07:10<Maulkin>But please tell us what you're actually doing, or we can't help
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07:10<stderr>Guest6477: That's it? The normal installer can do that too. (That's how I use it.)
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07:11<antony>Xchat has put me in the wrong server can you point me to Linux Mint help
07:12<jm_>impressive ;)
07:12<jm_>!mint
07:12<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
07:12<SynrG>Guest6477: you may want to consider using preseeding to answer the installer questions the way you want for your use case.
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07:12<Guest6477>I have done
07:12<Guest6477>SynG ^^
07:12<SynrG>then you can use an unmodified d-i ...
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07:12<Guest6477>* SynrG,
07:12<SynrG>and just provide the preseed file
07:12<Guest6477>Yes, I put it in the initrd
07:13<Guest6477>And ran a script.
07:13<SynrG>then how else have you modified this ISO to make it not actually be Debian anymore?
07:14<SynrG>publish your preseed file and the script alone, and spare yourself the hassle of being a derivatives maintainer.
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07:14<Guest6477>SynrG, now uploading everything (including sources!).
07:15<Guest6477>hmm, maybe I can't upload. I only have 5 gig of storage.
07:15<SynrG>ok. if i were a user, though, i'd want to run debian, not a deriv.
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07:16<SynrG>i know i can trust debian. i don't know if i can trust you (no offense, it's just i don't know you)
07:16<Guest6477>SynrG, in a way I agree.
07:16<SynrG>and i would want to get support from debian, not you
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07:16<SynrG>so by just publishing your materials and how to build your custom image, the user gets what they want .. support from debian.
07:16<SynrG>and you get to experience a less-stressful life
07:17<Guest6477>I will do.
07:17<stderr>And we still don't really know what has been changed...
07:19<petn-randall>Wheezy's smbcontrol and its man page seem to be out of sync. The man page describes an -i option, which the binary doesn't know of. Can anyone confirm this?
07:20<Guest6477>http://ubuntuone.com/1T4US4UtPSziG44wume3Pb there's a quick upload of the remastering preseed/script/config files, no iso supplied because haven't got the storage till I get my server set up again.
07:20<SynrG>$ smbcontrol -i
07:20<SynrG>Invalid option
07:20<Guest6477>Bye.
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07:21<SynrG>petn-randall: or else what kind of confirmation do you want that doesn't involve just rerunning the same command you just did? :)
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07:21<SynrG>petn-randall: you could look at the sources ...
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07:21<petn-randall>SynrG: Just wanted to make sure I didn't oversee something before I report a bug, thanks.
07:21<SynrG>petn-randall: however, i think without even looking, you already have the basis of a bug report
07:21<SynrG>k
07:21<stderr>SynrG: How does he get the source? :-)
07:21<petn-randall>SynrG: Didn't have my morning coffee yet, so sometimes I overlook the simplest things :)
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07:22<petn-randall>stderr: apt-get source samba :)
07:22<SynrG>petn-randall: a second pair of eyes is always good :)
07:22*SynrG rolls his eyes
07:22<SynrG>"because i can" is the world's worst reason to make a deriv :p
07:23*SynrG sighs
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07:23<stderr>It did seem a bit weird... It doesn't use Gnome, KDE or XFCE... Ok? So?!
07:24*SynrG shrugs ... anyway, anything else along these lines -> #d-ot
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07:46<prob>My win7 partition is not on boot prompt (only debian is, i have those 2) i pick win7 CD boot and check tools repair but nothing happened. I can see partition and files when i'm mounting it, what can i do to repair it?has to do with grub?
07:47<jm_>do you have os-prober installed?
07:47<prob>yes jm_
07:48<prob>might be something on configuration or something?
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07:48<jm_>prob: and it doesn't detect windows 7 when you run update-grub?
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07:49<jm_>is its partition mounted?
07:49<prob>sorry jm_ one minute my bro needs me
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07:53<prob>i tried update-grub but cant see it jm_ it's not mounted should i?
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07:54<jm_>prob: yes mount it and re-run update-grub
07:54<prob>jm_, sorry i mount but no luck
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07:55<prob>here is my fdisk -l http://pastebin.com/PU80L0Tx
07:55<prob>if that might helps
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07:56<jm_>prob: which one did you mount?
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07:57<prob>i did that one /dev/sda1 am i wrong?
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07:57<prob>(HPFS/NTFS/exFAT)
07:58<jm_>yeah that's the right one, and you still don't get anything after the 30_os-prober header in grub.cfg?
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07:59<stderr>Does it need to be marked as bootable? Linux doesn't care, but Windows might.
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08:02<jm_>shouldn't be related to it not being in grub.cfg I believe, it seems to be looking for boot/bcd file or somesuch
08:03<jm_>weird, I don't have anything like that in my windows 7 vm ;)
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08:09<prob>stderr, nice idea i'll try it.
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08:10<prob>stderr, should i use gparted or something?
08:11<stderr>I guess you could. I normally use fdisk.
08:11<jm_>prob: os-prober logs to syslog so you may find something useful there
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08:12<prob>yes it wasn't as boot stderr i think that's the solution brb and rebooting
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08:16<k2t1>chuj
08:17<stderr>!pl
08:17<dpkg>Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>.
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08:21<k2t1>sadas
08:21<SeQ><3
08:21<k2t1_>chuj
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08:21<k2t1>kutas
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08:21<k2t1_>windows win
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08:21<k2t1>Linuz kurwy
08:21<Knox>łeee
08:21<Knox>penisy
08:21<Jezus>What's up ?
08:21<SeQ>Win <3
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08:21<k2t1>sada
08:21<Knox>hello my niggas
08:22<Jezus>ubuntu FTW, debian chujowy.
08:22<k2t1>o nygagagagag
08:22<BurTi>Guten Tag Meine Freunde
08:22<k2t1>LINUXXXXXXXX
08:22<Knox>debian suck
08:22<k2t1>Super Maek
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08:22<k2t1_>wszystko chujowe windows dobry
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08:22<themill>play elsewhere, thanks
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08:23<stderr>Thank you.
08:25<abrotman>cute ...
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08:32<petn-randall>At least they tried to be mean, you should give credit for the effort ;)
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08:33<mlen>it makes me really sad that people from my country are so stupid...
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09:53<iamwpj>I've been working on my Amazon server recently. I am having trouble with a mounted EBS, I can't seem to mount it and access it. I have a mounted /sdb and all I need to do is access some files on it and copy them to a new location. I don't see any files when I mount the drive tho.
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10:13<dash>How hard/easy would it be to run/backport the wheezy/stable version of cups to squeeze/oldstable?
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10:14<Maulkin>dash: Probably not too easy - any reason you can't upgrade to stable?
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10:17<dash>Maulkin: Well, it is a server setup with lots of users and the LDAP setup is a bit different, so an upgrade would be more that just the apt-get part of it.
10:18<dash>s/more that/more than/
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10:21<Maulkin>dash: Given you need to do it soon anyway for continued security support, I'd suggest biting the bullet to be honest
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10:29<petn-randall>dash: I agree with Maulkin on this. squeeze is EOL in may 2014.
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10:40<dash>petn-randall: This is not my decision alone, but now I've got more input to the process. Thanks for the feedback to both of you!
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10:41<Maulkin>dash: Good luck :)
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11:06<prob>Hi guys i decide to reinstall windows partition and now destroyed grub i'm with an ubuntu live cd to all i have to do is install grub into debian parttion am i right?
11:07<Akronym>prob, no
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11:07<prob>Akronym: what?
11:07<Akronym>prob, and is it really a debian system and not ubuntu?
11:08<Akronym>prob, no you are not right
11:08<prob>yeap it is debian
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11:08<prob>but now i'm with ubuntu live cd to fix it and then boot again with debian
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11:08<Akronym>prob, you must install grub into the MBR, at least that is the most likliest place to install it to.
11:09<giuseppe>ciao a tutti
11:09<stderr>!it
11:09<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
11:09<Maulkin>!it
11:09<Maulkin>Bah
11:09<stderr>:-)
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11:12<Akronym>prob, so boot a live cd, mount the root and boot partitions of your debian system, bind-mount /dev, /proc and /sys to the mathcing folders in the subfolders of your mounted root-partition of the debian system, then chroot into that and run /grub-install /dev/sda (most likely, anyway, you should know the name of your disk).
11:12<Akronym>-/
11:13<prob>Akronym: yes it is /dev/sda3 so i guess need to be installed under /dev/sda ?
11:13<prob>i had it as /dev/sda3/boot/
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11:14<Akronym>prob, why do you still just guess that? Isn't that what I said?
11:14<prob>yes but want a verification :)
11:14<Akronym>17:13:50 <prob> i had it as /dev/sda3/boot/ <y- what do you mean with that? O_o
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11:16<Akronym>prob, anyway, you know the needed commands like bind-mount and chroot and so forth?
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11:16<prob>hm... chroot yes bind-mount i dont use , i use mount but i'll check the manual
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11:17<mtn>prob: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/Howto_Fix_Grub
11:18<Akronym>prob, "mount --bind" it is a special mode of mounting something. needed for doing the grub-isnatll thing for /dev and at least /proc, for /sys I am not so sure but bind-mounting it doesn't hurt either...
11:18<prob>mtn: it needs a cd which i dont have atm
11:18<mtn>prob: no, any live cd will work
11:18<Akronym>prob, huh?
11:19<Akronym>mtn, well... it has to offer at least the chroot command ;)
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11:19<Akronym>and it must be the same architecture as the system one wants / needs to repair
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11:20<mtn>prob: the ubuntu live cd will work fine for this
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11:21<mtn>prob: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/Howto_Fix_Grub#GRUB_solution_.28Linux_shell.29
11:21<mtn>prob: exactly the part you need
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11:26<prob>mtn: yes but check that out, chroot /dev/sda3
11:26<prob>chroot: cannot change root directory to /dev/sda3: Not a directory
11:26<haha->fdisk -l
11:27<Akronym>prob, you did use it wrong, please, rearead all the steps and UNDERSTAND the stuff you do before you do stuff you have no clue about...
11:27<blast007>prob: that's because you need to mount it and then chroot to the mount point, not to the device itself.. :)
11:27<prob>sorry guys i have a problem with my eyes and reading is really hard
11:27<Akronym>well... we can't help with that
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11:28<mtn>prob: you really need to understand and be careful.
11:28<prob>yes i know i just mean give patient cause of my situation
11:28<mtn>prob: your only other option is reinstalling debian
11:29<prob>i need a brake almost my eyes :S
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11:29<Akronym>prob, anyway, read all steps and ask questions if you do not understand stuff. Doing the stuff "blind" may be very vera harmful to your system
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11:30<mtn>prob: you need to know the correct partition and filesystem type.
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11:30<Akronym>well, modern systems find the needed type on their own anyway.
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12:59<Gregor2>Can someone tell me how to compile Sorce code?
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13:06<MrFrood>!tell Gregor2 about compile
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14:35<erick>hola
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14:48<Fenhl>hello, I'm looking for a bittorrent client for headless systems
14:49<OdyX>mldonkey ?
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14:50<petn-randall>Fenhl: transmission works fine for me.
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14:51<kos>hi all!
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14:52<Fenhl>petn-randall: so which package do I install? transmission or transmission-cli?
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14:53<petn-randall>Fenhl: Read the package descriptions and decide on what you want. Probably -daemon or -cli, depending on what you want to do.
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14:55<ixi>Fenhl you might find transmission pretty limited
14:56<ixi>for a headless torrent client I would recommend deluged
14:56<ixi>with deluge-gtk as remote thin client
14:58<Fenhl>ixi: do you know if the client runs on OS X?
14:58<ixi>I think...
14:58<ixi>yes, it does
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15:00<ixi>Fenhl it also has web interface (deluge-web) and a (rather boring) curses one (deluge-cli)
15:01<Fenhl>alright, I think I'll be using the thin client and/or the cli
15:01<thiago_>hi
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15:06<Flakk>Hello people I have just installed wheezy to my laptop and there is a problem. When it boots it says among other things that radeon kerno modsetting for R600 or later requires firmware-linux-nonfree. I guess i should get a driver for the videocard. Any help about this?
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15:08<blast007>Flakk: the firmware-linux-nonfree is a package you can install, but requires the nonfree repo be added
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15:09<Utopia>helo
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15:10<blast007>!tell Flakk about non-free sources
15:10<Flakk>blast - that is OK.
15:11<blast007>Flakk: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
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15:13<Flakk>so do you mean that installing one package "firmware-linux-nonfree" would solve the prob with the driver? is this package dealing with the video card drivers or also with smth else?
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15:14<valdyn>Flakk: thats a package containing firmware, you need it
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15:15<Flakk>so I guess I add "whhezy main contrib non-free", and then try to find the package "firmware-linux-nonfree", right?
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15:16<diederik>if you spell it 'wheezy' you may have more luck ;)
15:17<Flakk>thanks
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15:20<Flakk>installing --
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15:22<Flakk>it says : possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw for module r8169
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15:22<cyan>hello all
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15:23<cyan>Can anyone help with framebufer please?
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15:24<blast007>cyan: if you explain the problem, maybe.
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15:26<cyan>I would like to see online pictures in linux console. I use links2 there is option show images. I think I can do it by useing framebufer. Can I?
15:26<Flakk>well - this did not improve the problems
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15:28<Flakk>I have a question: If I install again the old squeeze version, can I get again the whole "squeeze" package? I have the 1st CDROM for squeeze but I intalled many packages form the WEB,
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15:32<devil>Flakk: regarding the missing firmware: it 'might' be missing, if your lan works, you do not need it
15:33<Fenhl>I followed the instructions at http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/UserGuide/InitScript/Ubuntu but the init script just exits
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15:33<lovedebian>How risky is using/installing precompilled static builds? How can you reduce the risk if you absolutely have to do it for one given program: would clamav help in this regard?
15:33<Flakk>devil - this is not about wifi, the video card seems to have problems
15:34<Fenhl>by changing the exit codes I found out that the script exits at the line below the comment “Exit if the package is not installed”
15:34<devil>Flakk: the warning you mentione was about your nic
15:34<Fenhl>ixi: do you know what might be causing this?
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15:34<Fenhl>(I obviously did install the package)
15:34<devil>Flakk: and for graphics, you need to install firmware-linux-nonfree, as you were told
15:35<Flakk>devil: i had a warning about radeon kernel requires firmware etc
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15:35<Flakk>devil - I installed it already and said it
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15:35<devil>Flakk: and with debian there is no need to install stuff 'from the web' usualy, but through apt from the debian archives
15:36<devil>Flakk: so what is the problem now?
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15:36<Flakk>yes I meant I installed the packages from reo\pos, and not from CDroms
15:36<devil>ok
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15:36<Flakk>the problem is that i can not manage th fonts correctly- it is catastrophic. I can not install themes
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15:37<ixi>Fenhl I am not sure what you're doing
15:37<devil>what is your DE?
15:37<ixi>to install deluged: apt-get install deluged
15:37<Fenhl>I did that
15:37<Flakk>devil: what is DE sorry
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15:37<devil>Flakk: desktop environment
15:37<devil>like kde gnomne...
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15:37<Fenhl>ixi: trying to run it on startup
15:38<Flakk>trying gnome, cnome classic, xfce4
15:38<Flakk>and something which is called "default"
15:38<devil>well, theming normaly is found under systemsettings or the like, but with gnome I am out
15:38<ixi>that Fenhl see /etc/default/deluged
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15:38<ixi>enable it there and it will autostart on reboot
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15:39<Flakk>devil I found the folder, my complain is that it does not work
15:39<Fenhl>ixi: that file does not exist, am I supposed to touch it?
15:39<nadir>theming in gnome is gnome-tweak-tool or tools
15:39<devil>Flakk: it?
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15:39<nadir>god forbid stuff get's put at obvious places.
15:40<devil>:)
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15:40<ixi>,v deluged
15:40<judd>Package: deluged on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.3+git20110209.8c36830-0squeeze1; jessie: 1.3.3-2+nmu1; sid: 1.3.3-2+nmu1; wheezy: 1.3.3-2+nmu1; experimental: 1.3.6-1
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15:40<ixi>Fenhl are you on stable?
15:40<Fenhl>yes
15:41<Flakk>I can not choose themes. when i choose a theme it changes only the toolbar - the desktop is always the same. I can not change fonts - when i change the sizes it results in unpredictable changes
15:41<Acidous>hey! any of you guys good at apache setup? 'cos I've got a bunch of virtual servers running, and when I go to say example.com it works fine, but when I use www.example.com it gets sent to the default www root(which it shouldn't)
15:41<devil>Flakk: someone that uses gnome needs to help you out there
15:41<Fenhl>Acidous: add a ServerAlias directive to your example.com config
15:41<Flakk>thanks
15:42<Fenhl>Acidous: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/core.html#serveralias
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15:42<ixi>Fenhl my bad
15:42<Acidous>Fenhl, thanks a bunch
15:43<ixi>apparently only package from experimental provides the init script and /etc/default/ entry
15:43<Fenhl>so I can't use it with init?
15:43<Fenhl>Acidous: np
15:43<blast007>Acidous: as mentioned, ServerAlias is one option. I generally like to redirect the alternate hostname to the primary hostname through the use of another virtualhost block. Helps keep search engine results consistent.
15:43<ixi>Fenhl I guess you could try putting it in /etc/rc.local
15:44<nadir>Flakk: i don't know gnome well, but i think a different desktop environment is a better option.
15:44<ixi>lacking a better autostart facility
15:44<Fenhl>ixi: putting what?
15:44<nadir>xfce is easy and light on resources, kde is not so light, but i think self-explaining too
15:44<ixi>Fenhl a line to start deluged
15:44<Flakk>kde is heavy
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15:44<Acidous>blast007, how is that done?
15:44<devil>heavy as in?
15:45<Flakk>i tried xfce and there are similar problems
15:45<nadir>then it's xfce or one of the new environments. is cina-xxx in stable yet? i don't think so
15:45<devil>Flakk: these things usualy work, so my guess is, you need assistance with them
15:45<nadir>ok, Flakk.
15:45<Flakk>thanks
15:45<devil>in kde they work for sure
15:46<blast007>Acidous: something like this: http://paste.debian.net/67071/
15:46<Fenhl>ixi: so I just add a line with “/usr/bin/deluged” to that file?
15:47<nadir>when i used kde i removed a lot of stuff, and it ran on Pentium4 too, and not bad
15:47<nadir>gig of RAM, or so.
15:47<devil>well, kde-standard is a good choice, kde-full is way too much
15:48<nadir>I prefer xfce, as it's dead easy and runs on all my boxes without any fiddling. But, like you said, that ain't your problem
15:49<Acidous>how come my server takes about 3 minutes to get the password prompt when I try to SSH in?
15:49<nadir>Well: install any small windowmanager (e.g fluxbox) and see if it has the same problems (probably yes, but won't hurt)
15:49<Acidous>I didn't have this problem when I Was on putty on windows earlier today
15:49<nadir>ssh has a verbose switch, probably -v
15:50<nadir>quite useful info, as far it's me
15:50<ixi>Fenhl it's just a shell script
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15:51<Acidous>nadir, to me it makes no sense 'cos it stops after this debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received
15:51<Acidous>and hangs forever
15:52<Fenhl>ixi: yeah I figured it out
15:52<nadir>if you insert your password anyway you could comment or set to no key-authentication. But i really got no clue what's the problem
15:52<FragByte>Acidous: you can increase the debugging level by appending more -v's, for example -vvv
15:52<FragByte>*verbosity level
15:53<Acidous>now THAT I did not know
15:53<Acidous>lol
15:53<nadir>took me quite some time to figure out that ssh searches through all ssh-keys before using passwd, then already has "too many authentication errors". ssh -v helped me.
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16:13<mp4player>I am trying to connect my MP4 player to my computer, but its files won't show up / it won't recognize it. It's an LG MP4. What to do? Thanks
16:14<petn-randall>mp4player: Is it USB?
16:14<mp4player>Yes
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16:15<petn-randall>mp4player: In the console, can you run 'lsusb' as root and paste it to http://paste.debian.net?
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16:15<mp4player>Sure.
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16:15<devil>lsusb works as user also :)
16:15<petn-randall>it = the output :)
16:15<petn-randall>devil: Oh right, just noticed ... :)
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16:16<mp4player>Here http://paste.debian.net/67081/
16:18<devil>mp4player: it is not recognized. does dmesg says something about it?
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16:18<nadir>I am running a chroot. I get this error: E: Can not write log (Is /dev/pts mounted?) - openpty (2: No such file or directory) -ok, rather a warning
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16:19<devil>nadir: (Is /dev/pts mounted?)?
16:19<nadir>i do "chroot -o bind /dev chroot/dev && chroot -o bind /sys /chroot/sys
16:19<petn-randall>mp4player: Was it plugged in as you ran lsusb? If yes, try another port and see if the output changes.
16:19<nadir>yes, it isn't, devil
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16:19<nadir>if i mount -o bind /dev ; then /dev/pts gets not mounted?
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16:20<lovedebian>How risky is using/installing precompilled static builds? How can you reduce the risk if you absolutely have to do it for one given program: would clamav help in this regard?
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16:20<devil>nadir: nope
16:21<mp4player>I ran dmesg and I can't see something related to it.
16:21<mp4player>Will try another port now
16:21<devil>mp4player: you can grep dmesg for the device name
16:21<nadir>devil: k. So i do mount -o bind /dev; mount -t proc /prot _and_ i do bind -o /dev/pts/ chroot/dev/pts ?
16:22<devil>nadir: yeah, that should work
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16:22<nadir>cool. thanks.
16:22<mp4player>Tried another port; still not recognized.
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16:23<mp4player>I did, I also pasted the whole code on a notepad and tried to search for words related to it. Nothing shows up.
16:24<devil>mp4player: try another cable?
16:24<petn-randall>lovedebian: nope.
16:24<petn-randall>lovedebian: What static build is it specifically?
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16:26<lovedebian>petn-randall: this --> http://ffmpeg.gusari.org/static/
16:26<mp4player>Ok. I tried another cable. Now, it shows me the 'usb connected' screen - it won't show before. BUT, I still can't detect it and it's not on the outcome of lsusb
16:27<lovedebian>petn-randall: I mean, not belonging to the official repositories, gusari.org might put within the static build whatever malware they so desire and it would go completely undetectable in my system, wouldn't it?
16:27<devil>mp4player: what does dmesg say about it?
16:27<devil>mp4player: and what is the exact name of the device?
16:27<petn-randall>lovedebian: why not use the pre-packaged libav? It should be compatible.
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16:28<lovedebian>petn-randall: ffmpeg fromt the official repositories is not compilled with x264 support
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16:28<diederik>Fenhl: deluged in experimental has an init script. I don't recommend installing an experimental package in stable, but you can get some ideas from it
16:29<mp4player>Here we go: "usb 1-8: Product: LGE MTP Player-FM37" from dmesg. It's called LG FM37.
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16:30<petn-randall>lovedebian: You could try http://www.deb-multimedia.org.
16:30<lovedebian>petn-randall: other solution I like is that of compilling ffmpeg myself, but if I try to compille it with the flag for x264 support it fails to find it in my system (which is expectable, given that it's not installed)... in order to install it in my system (i.e. x264) I have to use debian-multimedia repositories and I don't like that at all, it is too dirty of a solution. I would like to download the x264 libs themselves and pla
16:31<petn-randall>lovedebian: your line got cut off after "and pla-"
16:31<lovedebian>petn-randall: I loathe deb-multimedia, I don't like tampering with repositories, either that or backports are dirty solutions from my viewpoint. Moreover, it's not like one can trust those third party repositories malware wise too much
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16:31<devil>mp4player: please pastebin the whole related dmesg output
16:31<petn-randall>lovedebian: Grab the source and compile it yourself then.
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16:31<petn-randall>lovedebian: the package source from deb-multimedia is a good starting point if you need it.
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16:32<lovedebian>petn-randall: that's what I tried to do today. The problem was that,when using the flag for x264 support, it could not find it in my system. And I didn't know how to download it either (without resorting to deb-multimedia)
16:32<mp4player>I am quite new here, devil. Not sure which lines belong to it.
16:33<lovedebian>petn-randall: overall, the solution of compilling it myself is the most elegant, I'd like to know how to do it. It would involve manually downloading x264 libraries and telling configure to look for them in a temporary directory. Do you know how?
16:33<themill>libx264 is in debian
16:33<devil>mp4player: dmesg | grep -i lge might do
16:33<lovedebian>themill: if you try to compile ffmpeg with x264 support it complains...
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16:34<mp4player>http://paste.debian.net/67084/
16:34<lovedebian>themill: and I doubt is in debian official, I don't consider third parties such as deb-multimedia "debian"
16:35<themill>,info libx264-123
16:35<judd>Package libx264-123 (libs, optional) in wheezy/i386: x264 video coding library. Version: 2:0.123.2189+git35cf912-1; Size: 803.4k; Installed: 2161k; Homepage: http://www.videolan.org/developers/x264.html
16:35<mp4player>devil: http://paste.debian.net/67084/
16:35<petn-randall>^^ lovedebian
16:35<lovedebian>judd: I don't use wheezy, I use squeeze
16:35<judd>No package named 'don't' was found in squeeze/i386.
16:36<themill>well if you want the latest and greatest codecs, perhaps using wheezy would be a good idea
16:36<FragByte>lovedebian: for squeeze it's at least in backports
16:36<devil>mp4player: as your device is a MTP-device, http://www.jpberlin.de/st.pofahl/html/science-and-software/Gnu-Linux/MTP-protocol.html might help
16:37<lovedebian>themill: I don't agree, it's completely buggy. I have had big issues in all the computers I have used so far with wheezy, whereas squeeze installs with absolutely no problem
16:37<themill>maybe solving that problem would be better. squeeze is only supported for another 5 months. (also, "completely buggy" isn't really accurate...)
16:37<petn-randall>lovedebian: It's rock stable here. I think you just forgot to install the non-free firmware.
16:38<lovedebian>petn-randall: it's your experience, not mine. With squeeze I didn't have to install the non-free firmware in order to make it work perfectly. I think I will keep using squeeze indifenitely
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16:39<petn-randall>lovedebian: Well, in 5 months security support will be dropped, just as the support in this channel.
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16:39<lovedebian>petn-randall: Why so much insistence with the 5 months? If I keep using the same programs I am using now I don't see the problem
16:39<petn-randall>lovedebian: Funny enough, you're probably the first person who wants to stay with squeeze. Most users think wheezy is old, and can't wait to upgrade to jessie.
16:40<petn-randall>lovedebian: read "security support". This should be important to you, especially if you're paranoid about malware.
16:40<lovedebian>petn-randall: what most users want to do is not the same as that which makes the most sense
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16:41<lovedebian>petn-randall: the security is the same now as it is 5 months from now, or one year from now, tell me the difference
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16:41<mp4player>devil: according to it, I need to compile a new kernel. Can't do that, so I will use another computer for now. Thanks for your support :]
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16:42<petn-randall>lovedebian: You don't understand how security bug fixes work then.
16:42<devil>mp4player: well, fuse should work without comöiling a kernel
16:43<mp4player>devil: "If the test is negative, you probably have to compile a new kernel with the option FUSE_FS." Are you sure?
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16:43<lovedebian>petn-randall: if my system is secure now, could you care to explain how it's not going to be secure two years from now?
16:43<devil>mp4player: do you have mtp-tools installed?
16:44<petn-randall>lovedebian: Because security bugs will be found that *won't* be fixed?!
16:44<petn-randall>lovedebian: And once they're public, they will be exploited.
16:45<petn-randall>lovedebian: Security is *not* a state, it's a process.
16:45<devil>mp4player: if that is not enough, there is a howto for squeeze: http://roger.steneteg.org/299/mount-mtp-device-on-debian-7-wheezy/
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16:46<lovedebian>petn-randall: okay, but that problem is not different as using a version and not running sudo apt-get upgrade, which has it's own set of flaws. For instance, if you have upgraded squeeze you will have discovered that iceweasel crashes (AFTER upgrading, not before) whenever you use flashplayer in fullscreen
16:46<mp4player>Ah, it seems that now,that I installed mtp-tools, it.. works!
16:46<petn-randall>lovedebian: What does that have to do with security?!
16:47<petn-randall>lovedebian: Also, 'apt-get upgrade' is for upgrading your system to use the most current packages, not for upgrading to a new release.
16:47<lovedebian>petn-randall: the fact that, if you use a debian version and you don't upgrade anyway because upgrades make things go worse, it's not going to be any difference now or one year from now because you don't upgrade anyway
16:48<lovedebian>petn-randall: I meant that the 5 months left was irrelevant if one does not upgrade anyway
16:48<petn-randall>lovedebian: I'm tired of discussion this. You can keep your opinion, but don't expect much support from this channel with it.
16:48<petn-randall>s/discussion/discussing/
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16:50<lovedebian>petn-randall: what do you expect me to say? that I should use wheezy even when in three different computers it has not worked properly (after trying different versions of wheezy, the latest,etc.)? You take for granted that the problem is ME, not wheezy, that I gotta do something to make it work well, okay, if the problem is me, tell me, how come that doing the same installation procedure with squeeze I have zero problems?
16:50<lovedebian>petn-randall: moreover, new versions always tend to go slower than older ones, so there's a point where upgrading to new versions makes your old pc go slower than the older ones, do you agree with this at least?
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16:51<petn-randall>*plonk*
16:51<mp4player>devil: installed mtp-tools, now works :]
16:52<lovedebian>petn-randall: debian-7.0.0-i386-DVD-1.iso , this version, I can tell you works like crap, would you agree with that at least?
16:52<devil>mp4player: YAY
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17:01<lovedebian>,info avidemux
17:01<judd>No package named 'avidemux' was found in wheezy/i386.
17:01<lovedebian>,info ffmpeg
17:01<judd>Package ffmpeg (oldlibs, extra) in wheezy/i386: Multimedia player, server, encoder and transcoder (transitional package). Version: 6:0.8.6-1; Size: 135.9k; Installed: 233k; Homepage: http://libav.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/ffmpeg; RFP: #729203
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17:02<lovedebian>,info lame
17:02<judd>Package lame (sound, optional) in wheezy/i386: MP3 encoding library (frontend). Version: 3.99.5+repack1-3; Size: 272.7k; Installed: 367k; Homepage: http://lame.sourceforge.net/
17:02<musca>!libav
17:02<dpkg>Libav is a complete, cross-platform solution to record, convert and stream audio and video. Libav is a fork of <FFmpeg> and replaces it in Debian as of the 7.x "Wheezy" release. Multithreaded decoding is available since libav 4:0.7~rc1-1 (bug #575600); MP3 encoding support is available since libav 4:0.7.1-2 (bug #587904). http://libav.org/faq.html http://libav.org/ #libav on irc.freenode.net.
17:02<lovedebian>,info divx
17:02<judd>No package named 'divx' was found in wheezy/i386.
17:02<lovedebian>,info mame
17:02<judd>Package mame (non-free/games, optional) in wheezy/i386: Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator (MAME). Version: 0.146-5; Size: 19585.9k; Installed: 67219k; Homepage: http://mamedev.org/
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17:02<lovedebian>,info xmame
17:02<judd>No package named 'xmame' was found in wheezy/i386.
17:03<lovedebian>mmm
17:03<James_T>Is libav any better than ffmpeg
17:03<musca>lovedebian: time for /msg judd
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17:03<James_T>The two forks seem to do the same
17:03<lovedebian> James_T can't I use ffmpeg with wheezy?
17:03<musca>James_T: yes, and libav accepts patches :)
17:04<James_T>You will want to use avconv
17:04<James_T>Same commandline
17:04<James_T>musca: nice
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17:06<lovedebian>musca: do you know if all the bugs that wheezy 7.0 and 7.1 had have been corrected in 7.2 version? As far as I could see 7.0 and 7.1 was completely unusable
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17:07<ubuntu-studio>ls
17:07<themill>lovedebian: if you want vague answers, you should definitely ask vague questions.
17:08<musca>lovedebian: I don't think that this type of question will arise serious answers.
17:08<petn-randall>ubuntu-studio: syslogemu.log ulogd.log
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17:09<lovedebian>themill: for instance, the fact that wheezy 7.1 was absolutely unable to boot in certain systems due to grub malfunction
17:09<themill>that's still sufficiently vague that you'll never get an answer
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17:10<themill>there's also a good chance that this is either a local misconfiguration (or lack of configuration) or just requires a simple workaround.
17:10<Wermwud>lovedebian: you could always check http://www.debian.org/Bugs/
17:10<musca>lovedebian: did you submit a bugreport?
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17:11<James_T>lovedebian: do you, in fact, love debian :)
17:11<lovedebian>musca: I am just a home user, not a developer
17:11<themill>that's not an excuse for not reporting bugs
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17:12<lovedebian>themill: if I, who don't know a damn thing about programming, have to submit bugs to the developers , something fails
17:12<nadir>that's utter nonsense. reportbug will do it all for you.
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17:13<lovedebian>that's for people who know more than me
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17:13<nadir>and programming ain't involved at all
17:13<themill>lovedebian: the standard set of superpowers that debian developers have doesn't include mind reading
17:13<diederik>LOL
17:13<nadir>i got doubts, sometimes ...
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17:14<lovedebian>themill: could debian repositories be somehow compromised by NSA's malware?
17:15<James_T>>goes to report bug >already fixed
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17:15<themill>lovedebian: if we knew that, we wouldn't be allowed to tell you
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17:15<James_T>Ha
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17:16<James_T>So debian is us based? :P
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17:16<lovedebian>James_T: that's just what I was going to say
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17:17<James_T>Maybe all the developers are on payroll ... or not
17:17<James_T>:)
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17:31<Wermwud>i shall miss lovedebian...
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17:52<david89>Hello. What version of linux does jessie have atm?
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17:53<diederik>david89: http://packages.debian.org/jessie/linux-image-amd64
17:56<stderr_dk>Or ask judd.
17:56<stderr_dk>judd: v linux-image-amd64
17:56<judd>Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.10+52~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.11+54; sid: 3.11+54
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18:03<none>Hi all. I'm having a problem i think it's my GPU driver or something... i'm on jessie and when gdm3 login starts first of all i can't see choices (gnome classic etc) and second when i'm logging on "freeze" with black font
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18:03<none>i'm using ati 5400 series
18:04<david89>can I edit the sources file of the netinstall iso and install jessie directly?
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18:30<diederik>david89: not that I know. But check here: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/
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18:35<musca>david89: yes, in expert mode you can choose the release
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18:37<david89>musca: expert mode?
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18:45<musca>david89: exploring the menu you will find it. Sure you want jessie?
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18:47<david89>musca: yes, it is for a desktop
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18:50<diederik>what are you missing in stable's desktop?
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18:57<david89>kernel 3.11
18:58<diederik>are you familiar with debian backports? And do you really _need_ the latest kernel or just think it's cool or sth like that?
18:59<david89>for my radeon card
19:00<david89>is backports official?
19:00<diederik>yes
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19:01<david89>"Backports cannot be tested as extensively as Debian stable, and backports are provided on an as-is basis, with risk of incompatibilities with other components in Debian stable. Use with care!"
19:01<david89>in regards to the above, how does it compare to testing
19:01<david89>?
19:01<themill>backports is a handful of packages amongst an otherwise well-tested and stable system
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19:02<themill>(and packages go into backports after they have been tested by more people in testing)
19:02<diederik>testing is more likely to break and you should be able to cope with that, hence musca's remark earlier
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19:03<diederik>themill's remark is better
19:04<david89>interesting, thanks for the information
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19:06<david89>so backports has 3.10 apparently. Does anyone have any inside info regarding 3.11 getting backported?
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19:18<themill>the maintainers are normally pretty proactive about doing this once the kernel migrates to testing
19:18<dondelelcaro>david89: it'll probably happen eventually; 3.11 is in testing now.
19:18<dondelelcaro>and you can of course manually backport it if you need it this second
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19:20<musca>david89: sorry, I must correct myself. Choosing the release was a feature of the old businesscard installer for squeeze, which is still available.
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19:22<musca>david89: I did a testing install with it like three months ago, but there is no warranty that it still works.
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21:05<Le_Bacon>I have a problem with booting up a kernel.
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21:10<Le_Bacon>I have a problem with booting up a kernel.
21:10<Le_Bacon>I have a problem with booting up a kernel.
21:10<Le_Bacon>I have a problem with booting up a kernel.
21:10<abrotman>so you said
21:11<Le_Bacon>well, i didnt get answers before.
21:11<petn-randall>!ask
21:11<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
21:11<petn-randall>Le_Bacon: ^^
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21:14<Le_Bacon>petn-randall: I'm (trying) to boot zorin os on my Toshiba satellite L25-s1194, and it said something like "debian kernel blah blah blah. boot:" and it stayed there.
21:15<blast007>!zorin
21:15<dpkg>Zorin OS is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.zorin-os.com/ #zorinos on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
21:15<abrotman>Le_Bacon: you're in the wrong channel
21:15<Le_Bacon>how come it says it has a debian kernel?
21:16<abrotman>Zorin is NOT Debian
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21:19<petn-randall>LeuX: No idea why they're abusing Debian's branding. I guess you now have two questions you can ask them.
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