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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-11-22

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00:44<acald3ron>hello
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00:45<acald3ron>I want to install mumble client in debian jessie and there no package.
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01:06<tester>hello
01:06<sney>!test
01:06<dpkg>Test failed.
01:06<tester>hello
01:06<sney>hi.
01:07<tester>where are you?
01:07<sney>#debian
01:07<sney>do you have a debian question
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01:07<tester>sorrry that was not my intention
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01:08<sney>!irc primer
01:08<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html . See also "The IRC Prelude": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html
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01:47<CodexZero>hi
01:47<buff>hi
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01:48<CodexZero>anyone know how to take down websites ?? ^_^
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01:49<CodexZero>any tutorial ??
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01:50<CodexZero>help me plz :(
01:50<RayzrShrp>does anybody know if i run the desktop xfce task from aptitude without x installed will it install it?
01:51<RayzrShrp>x that is
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01:57<hell>hello. where i can find, what provides rules for polkit-1 in sid?
01:58<hell>*what packages
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02:00<jm_>RayzrShrp: why don't you check yourself?
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02:01<jm_>hell: check the topic to find the right channel for sid
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03:05<ah>hallo kann mich jemand sehen oder hoeren? english or german?
03:05<jm_>!de
03:05<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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03:05<ah>can somebody read me
03:05<stderr_dk>No.
03:06<ah>router problem no contact with www what can I do this is the router
03:06<ah>of neighbour so what can I do?
03:06<ah>thank you
03:07<stderr_dk>Do you know why you can't connect to port 80 on remote hosts?
03:08<ah>no I am not professional pc user and my English is bad
03:08<ah>what happened morning booting with router nothing
03:08<ah>now I am using router from neighbour and I have contact with www
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03:09<ah>can a router be destroyed? how can I see this?
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03:09<ah>thuis is dsl 6000 no lan no wlan
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03:10<ah>should I go to another channel I am here first time
03:10<stderr_dk>Is it running Debian?
03:11<ah>i am using linux with four computers siduction debian xubuntu now I am using only xubuntu with neighbour router
03:11<ah>thank You for help
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03:12<ah>when I was using my router it was shown connection established but no www.google.de
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03:13<ah>I am using telekom is this important?
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03:13<ah>stupid question the router is exactly today one year old is this a problem?
03:13<stderr_dk>We don't support anything besides Debian in here, so we can't help you with siduction or xubuntu.
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03:14<ah>ok where can I ask a router problem with debian linux siduction and so on?
03:14<stderr_dk>I'm a bit confused... Is the problem with the router or your computers?
03:14<ah>is there a channel
03:14<ah>router problem
03:14<stderr_dk>Is the router running Debian?
03:14<ah>computer is fine because neighbour router is working now
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03:14<ah>I did install the router one year ago with debian
03:15<ah>does a router use linux? it is netgear.
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03:15<stderr_dk>Some do.
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03:15<ah>I remember I did the install with firefox.
03:16<stderr_dk>I don't know about netgear, but it doesn't sound like you're in the right channel.
03:16<ah>firefox and thunderbird did not work
03:16<stderr_dk>Unfortunately I don't know where else to ask...
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03:16<ah>can You give me the ad of the right channel for router problems?
03:17<ah>I think linux and debian are fine.
03:17<stderr_dk>If I knew, I would tell you...
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03:18<stderr_dk>Are you sure it's plugged in, connected and turned on?
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03:19<ah>yes connections are fine I tried very ofenten and Linux said connection established does this mean contact to router?
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03:22<stderr_dk>This really isn't the right channel... Does anyone know a (german) channel for network problems?
03:24<ah>thank you very much... can i give you other hints that may help finding right channel?
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03:25<stderr_dk>I don't think so...
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03:30<ginko>ah send you personal message
03:30<ginko>*sent
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03:35<Spock0r>good morning
03:36<aphex>hello
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03:37<Spock0r>it's time for weekend !
03:37<i00nsu>hello. good morning. What a hell.. I would like to make somewhat install from scratch with Debian but I can only use other non-Debian but Based-in-Debian so it recognize my Wireless card. (only card working)
03:37<buff>yes it is
03:38<i00nsu>rtç8192se
03:38<i00nsu>at defeaul dont recognize it..
03:39<ah>where can I find a personal message?
03:39<ah>sorry I used this chat last time 6 months ago
03:39<i00nsu>I need to install and they get an Based-in-Debian Distro to chroot and apt-get linux-firmware ?!
03:40<jm_>i00nsu: read about debootstrap in installation guide
03:40<ah>the name of the router is netgear n 600 computershop is not opened today
03:41<ah>I could find pn thank You
03:41<i00nsu>jm_ are you a bot?
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03:41<jm_>i00nsu: are you?
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03:42<ah>I try another channel there is one linux channel because I use debian and siduction thank you all
03:42<i00nsu>what debootstrap have to do with installation process (kernel-firmware-modules-load) ?
03:43<i00nsu>if my wireless card is not recognized, I don't have Net
03:43<i00nsu>:)
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03:44<jm_>in that case I either misunderstood your description or you have poorly described your problem - there's also non-free installation image with firmware included
03:44<jm_>!installer firmware
03:44<dpkg>Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>.
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03:47<i00nsu>is sad .. non free? wtf !? anyway.. the same problem. how to install firmware without net connection?
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03:48<i00nsu>ok ok.. create first a folder with all and then start the instalation..
03:49<i00nsu>and copy the flles to the "chroot" rooted drive
03:50<i00nsu>reboot a apply the firmware to kernel (hope is selected as a module) << I don't know
03:50<i00nsu>and reboot
03:50<i00nsu>if is not
03:50<Spock0r>https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
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03:52<Spock0r>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en i think that helps as well
03:52<ah>an ginko kann auf pn noch nicht antworten deswegen hier werde ich tun die http:192.168 etc aufrufen danke
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03:53<i00nsu>livecd Debian-Based and chroot the root partition, cp -L /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/debian and install kernel sources. reboot again .
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03:53<i00nsu>Spock0r, :o I am sorry, but how do you install anything OFF-LINE?
03:53<ah>danke gehe raus weil router wechsel thank you I log out for change router
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03:58<Spock0r>i00 sorry but i'm a bit busy here @work
03:59<Spock0r>it's pretty easy written on that page http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en
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05:49<petn-randall>abrotman: Ah, I must've been too tired that I didn't see I was addressing the wrong person ... sorry.
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06:07<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.12-trunk-686-pae (3.12-1~exp1); sid: 3.11-2-686-pae (3.11.8-1); jessie: 3.11-2-686-pae (3.11.8-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.10.11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4)
06:09*Cubby is waiting eagerly for that 3.11 wheezy backport :-)
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07:10<taleon>hi
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07:13<Spock0r>hi
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07:38<light_wolf>Hi all!! How i can run my HD8730m on stable debian? amd-catalyst-13.11-beta6-linux-x86.x86_64 couldn't build package and crash X
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07:49<musca>light_wolf: the debian packages of the 13 series of the fglrx driver are only available in unstable/rc-buggy, not even in testing.
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07:50<musca>light_wolf: and the binary blob from AMD is not supported here.
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07:51<musca>,v fglrx-driver --release rc-buggy
07:51<judd>Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- experimental/non-free: 1:13.11~betav6-1
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07:58<light_wolf>and how i can install it from experimental branch?
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08:06<jm_>light_wolf: don't do that if you're using stable
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08:07<musca>yes, I won't encourage you to mix the stable release with unstable packages.
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08:09<light_wolf>that's mean that i can't fully run my ati card ?
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08:10<nocturnal>why does this happen http://paste.debian.net/67154/ ?
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08:11<jm_>light_wolf: why can't you?
08:12<light_wolf>how if i haven't drivers?
08:12<jm_>does radeon driver not support it?
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08:12<light_wolf>offical driver from amd.com not build package
08:13<musca>what about xserver-xorg-video-radeon with firmware-linux-nonfree?
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08:13<nocturnal>I got rid of the syntax error at least by using this syntax %domain\\admins ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL
08:13<nocturnal>and also visudo helped
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08:15<light_wolf>xserver work with HD7000
08:15<light_wolf>and below
08:16<jm_>then maybe the driver in testing supports your card
08:16<light_wolf>lspci | grep VGA 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Mars [Radeon HD 8500/8700M Series]
08:16<light_wolf>firmware-linux-nonfree installed
08:17<jm_>it just says it supports OLAND/HAINAN GPU-s
08:17<light_wolf>glxinfo | grep render direct rendering: Yes OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ivybridge Mobile x86/MMX/SSE2 GL_NV_conditional_render, GL_ARB_ES2_compatibility,
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08:20<nocturnal>in case anyone is interested, the working syntax for AD users in sudoers.d is User_Alias DOMAINADMINS=%domain\x20admins
08:20<nocturnal>DOMAINADMINS ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL
08:20<nocturnal>not very intuitive
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08:24<musca>nocturnal: spaces in names are allways fun.
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09:33<Spock0r>is there any console youtube player to listen music ?
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09:37<SynrG>Spock0r: i use youtube-dl to fetch, and then any player to play as it is fetching
09:37<SynrG>vlc, for example, can play from the commandline. you just need to disable video output
09:38<Spock0r>yeah but i'm to lazy to download first...i was looking for something there i only need links and listen :)
09:38<SynrG>or avconv the result into some format you prefer
09:38*SynrG shrugs
09:38<SynrG>script it
09:38<SynrG>trivial
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09:38<Spock0r>i guess only few people are so dump and want to listen in a terminal :>
09:39<SynrG>the script would background the youtube-dl, check the output file for contents, and when enough is buffered, start a player
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09:40<Spock0r>yeah i think i will do it like you said with vlc
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09:40<SynrG>or if you're super lazy, background the youtube-dl, do a hardcoded sleep, then start the player (accepting the sloppiness that sometimes you sleep too long, and rarely, you might sleep not long enough)
09:41<Spock0r>:-)
09:41<SynrG>another way is using a virtual display
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09:42<SynrG>use some youtube player with a gui and output to the virtual display (which you ignore)
09:42<stderr>youtube-dl -o - -q $URL | avplay -vn -nodisp -
09:42<SynrG>stderr: ah. didn't know it could pipe the output
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09:43<SynrG>avplay has some reasonable default buffer size?
09:43<SynrG>so it's not going to run dry
09:43<stderr>I haven't really tested it for more than 5 seconds, so... :-)
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09:44<SynrG>i would like something whereby i can register my view as a view against the video and click "like" without having to duplicate my actions on the web.
09:44<SynrG>otherwise you lose the social aspect of youtubing
09:45<stderr>while true; do echo LOL; sleep $RANDOM; done
09:45<stderr>There you go...
09:46<stderr>That is what you meant by the social aspect of youtubing, right?
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09:54<SynrG>stderr: no. i like an independent musician. they make their living from youtube. i want them to make more music. i can't contribute financially at this time. i can, however, view and "like" videos, and share them with friends.
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09:55<SynrG>stderr: you might scoff at the social aspect of youtubing, but if you "get" that your favourite musicians actually make money from your activity and care about that, you'll want to support them however you can
09:55<SynrG>(or s/musician/other-content-creator/)
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09:56<SynrG>basically, i want a youtube viewing experience that fully participates socially but escapes the *awful* software available on the web.
09:57<stderr>I do get it. But you must admit that my script could easily replace most of the comments on youtube.
09:57<SynrG>there's no reason i shouldn't be able to use the player of my choice and the system of my choice to view a video
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09:57<stderr>You're right. I haven't checked if you can "like" something using e.g. youtube-dl.
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09:58<SynrG>i don't know if youtube-dl even counts as a "view". i suspect not.
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09:59<SynrG>arguably this is first google's problem, not mine, and i can happily ignore it. except for the nagging sense of responsibility to the content creators that i like.
10:00<stderr>My guess would be that they just count the number of downloads for each video.
10:00<SynrG>and second, my favourite content creator's problem for having chosen youtube as their platform ...
10:00<SynrG>(but do they really *have* a choice? what competing platforms allow them to actually make a living doing similar things?)
10:01<stderr>But that might not always work. Is it a new download, if someone skips forward?
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10:06<SynrG>bear with me a minute. i still think this is debian support related, here's a 2011 article: http://www.bluefountainmedia.com/blog/how-does-youtube-count-views/ and 2012 article: http://www.quora.com/YouTube/What-technically-counts-as-a-view-on-YouTube ... my theory is that youtube-dl would be seen as an attempt to drive up view count artificially
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10:07<SynrG>it is quite likely "playing a video on youtube" is not the same thing at all as watching it online
10:07<SynrG>and that only the latter (with the qualifications noted in the 2012 article on 'for a certain amount of time') actually qualifies.
10:08<SynrG>so it has been my habit to youtube-dl the video, play it on my debian 'multimedia' system, but also let it play on the web. i would love to automate all this ...
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10:08<SynrG>perhaps using Selenium or so
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10:08<SynrG>watir-webdriver perhaps
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10:09<stderr>SynrG: You might be right about website vs. youtube-dl... I haven't seen any ads when using youtube-dl. (I don't really use the website, so I haven't seen any there either.)
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10:11<stderr>SynrG: youtube-dl --get-url $URL | ... something that's does a wget and open a browser at the same time. Should be easy...
10:11<stderr>Nonsense...
10:12<stderr>You want the browser to open $URL, not the url for the video...
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10:12<stderr>No need for the --get-url stuff.
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10:27<Hundred>is debian a rolling release?
10:28<daemonkeeper>No.
10:28<SynrG>not technically, no. there is stable, which is a release, and testing and unstable, which are not releases.
10:28<poomel>no
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10:29<Hundred>does Debian have PPAs like Ubuntu to get the latest updates and features of software?
10:29<SynrG>if your question is "can i install debian and stay up to date with latest versions" the answer is "yes, with qualifications"
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10:29<lostson>there are no PPA's though
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10:30<Hundred>how do you get new software on it?
10:30<SynrG>Hundred: debian has backports. this allows stable users to use selected newer software.
10:30<SynrG>!bpo
10:30<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <wheezy backports>) and oldstable (<squeeze backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>
10:30<Hundred>i tried it once and the software was so old from 2009, 2010, 2011
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10:31<lostson>well you can always run testing or sid
10:31<lostson>some of us dont mind it being older as long as it is stable
10:31<SynrG>neither of which are recommended for production use
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10:31<SynrG>see http://deb.li/sidfaq
10:31<lostson>yeah SynrG is right i should of added that
10:32<SynrG>mind you, we do support testing/unstable users at #debian-next
10:32<Hundred>usually when there is a problem with software the software developers recommend getting the latest version of the software
10:32<SynrG>my production servers are debian stable + backports
10:32<SynrG>my workstations / netbooks are unstable
10:32<SynrG>Hundred: that's if you deal with upstream directly, yes.
10:32<SynrG>Hundred: the debian maintainers are skilled at mediating your bug requests with upstream
10:33<SynrG>they may download latest from upstream themselves to try to find a fix to your problem and backport the patch for debian stable.
10:33<SynrG>or may provide a backport of the newer version at backports.debian.org if a backport is not practical for the version in stable.
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10:34<SynrG>Hundred: is there specific software you're concerned about the most?
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10:35<Hundred>well i'm using PPAs on Ubuntu because it works better and has new features, but i want to switch to debian
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10:36<SynrG>one of the problems with ppas is unregulated distribution of random versions of things that don't work with each other and that may not meet up to our high standards of quality
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10:36<SynrG>backports.debian.org doesn't suffer as much from this problem.
10:36<SynrG>so if you could name *specific* PPAs you depend on, that would help us answer you better.
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10:38<Hundred>well PPAs like SMPlayer, Midori, XAMPP, MiniTube... etc
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10:39<Hundred>most of the video players on the regular Ubuntu repos can't play YouTube videos unless you get the newest version from PPA
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10:58<SynrG>Hundred: for the special case of youtube-dl i have always used the one from sid
10:59<SynrG>,youtube-dl
10:59<SynrG>,v youtube-dl
10:59<judd>Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 2013.10.23-1; sid: 2013.11.11-2
10:59<SynrG>it is so volatile that it was removed from stable
10:59<SynrG>it has its own means of updating itself, too
11:00<SynrG>as for the other youtube players, i don't have experience ... but the problem is the same. the provider changes things so often that old players routinely break.
11:01<SynrG>so all of them need to be constantly catching up. this doesn't qualify as "stable" software.
11:01<Hundred>yeah, some video players have a GUI that make it like a TV where you can search, stream, and download videos without experiencing all the youtube ads
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11:01<Hundred>true, youtube changes their code , so these players need constant updating
11:01<SynrG>Hundred: i use a web browser + adblock + youtube-dl. quite happy with this arrangement.
11:02<SynrG>and that keeps the number of things that could go wrong when i update down to a bare minimum (having youtube vids downloaded separately, rather than worry about the entire stack to support the UI)
11:02<SynrG>ymmv
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11:03<blast007>blocking ads potentially blocks income for the content creator
11:03<SynrG>i know. that's a sad fact
11:03<SynrG>blast007: it's not ideal. it's the compromise i live with
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11:05<SynrG>blast007: if i can help boost the views and therefore visibility of the content on youtube, even more viewers are attracted, eventually supporting the content creator more.
11:06<SynrG>ultimately i think there needs to be some better way to monetize videos than ad-supported ... so i am encouraged to see patreon, subbable, etc.
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11:06<Hundred>product placement in the videos
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11:06<SynrG>my view count means more viewers becoming fans, and more of those (the ones who can) contributing through these nontraditional channels
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11:06<SynrG>my contribution to the view count, i mean
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11:08<SynrG>corporate sponsorship has worked for some of my favourites, too
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11:14<desafio>probando
11:14<desafio>si sisi
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11:16<glenrock>i'm using Wheezy and have flashplugin-nonfree installed. when a flash video is loading, the frame gets all garbled, sometimes showing pieces of my taskbar, etc. the video then plays correctly once it's loaded. not a big deal, but thought i'd ask if anyone has seen this before
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11:18<Hundred>glenrock try out a Firefox plugin that tries to play videos in html5 first before it tries playing flash
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11:22<wave>glenrock: have you updated your flashplugin by running update-flashplugin-nonfree
11:23<wave>update-flashplugin-nonfree --install
11:23<glenrock>wave: no, will do
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11:24<glenrock>wave: i don't see that app, don't see it in search results. do you know what repo i need?
11:24<Thousand>glenrock try out a Firefox plugin that tries to play videos in html5 first before it tries playing flash
11:24<wave>glenrock: you have to firsth login to root by using su
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11:24<wave>then you can run that command
11:24<glenrock>Thousand: i know Youtube supports HTML5. should i expect other older-style flash animations to at least attempt to play using HTML5?
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11:25<glenrock>wave: there it is, thanks. i ran it, but it didn't send any output to the terminal. just sent me back to the prompt after a couple seconds
11:25<Thousand>i think it is mainly for videos, i know youtube, vimeo, and daily motion encode in html5... other websites are slowly following too
11:26<wave>glenrock: try update-flashplugin-nonfree --status
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11:26<wave>I think the lastes one should be 11.2.202.327
11:26<glenrock>yep, that's what i have installed
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11:26<wave>okey
11:27<glenrock>i should have checked before the update too, but i think it ran too fast to actually update anything
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11:27<wave>I think there should be a clear output while it is updating
11:27<wave>but ofcourse you can check that did anything change
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13:32<infinity_>arre yaha koi madharchod bolta bhi hai.....
13:32<infinity_>bhosadi ka dimaag kharab ho gaya hai
13:32<petn-randall>infinity_: This channel is english only.
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13:32<infinity_>OKAY BRO
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13:33<petn-randall>infinity_: Please keep it on channel, no need to query me.
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13:33<petn-randall>infinity_: Do you have a debian-related question?
13:33<infinity_>yes...
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13:34<infinity_>i wanted to ask that ... i wanted to setup an apache server
13:35<infinity_>but dont know what hardware to select
13:35<infinity_>in a local intranet
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13:35<petn-randall>infinity_: This really depends on what you want to do with the web server.
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13:36<infinity_>that has to be cloud interface ....for the local intranet users..
13:36<infinity_>means for the private cloud.....
13:36<infinity_>i am new admin.....
13:37<infinity_>new to linux too...
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13:37<petn-randall>infinity_: "cloud" is a very vague term you should avoid, unless you mean those floating in the sky.
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13:37<infinity_>no i have done it using eucalyptus....
13:38<infinity_>i understand
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13:38<petn-randall>infinity_: So you probably are looking for a how-to. Did you find one on your search yet?
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13:39<infinity_>i got tutorials but not the hardware specs....
13:39<infinity_>for such large group users....
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13:40<petn-randall>infinity_: eucalyptus is a whole AWS-compatible virtualization stack. Are you sure this is what you want? What are you planning to build?
13:41<infinity_>yes....
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13:41<infinity_>I have correctly implemented it.... but not able to scale it for large user group....
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13:43<infinity_>can u tell me where to find this info regarding this...
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13:43<petn-randall>infinity_: What I'm wondering is, how is this related to Debian stable?
13:44<infinity_>lol..... i am mad..... tryping in wrong window..... sorry friend...
13:45<infinity_>btw can i know where are u from.....
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13:46<infinity_>I am from PATNA
13:46<blast007>infinity_: this isn't a social channel either. it's for Debian support.
13:46<infinity_>okay sorry....
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13:54<kampmannpeine>I have a severe problem with a raid1 installation of wheezy:
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13:55<kampmannpeine>I put into the boot option: dmraid=true but cannot partition the disk when it comes to the partition manager.
13:56<SynrG>!dmraid
13:56<dpkg>Fakeraid is a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid
13:56<SynrG>!md
13:56<dpkg>"Multidisk Device" (MD) is commonly used to describe the software <RAID> facilities available in the Linux kernel. To establish a software RAID array at Debian installation time, see section 6.3.3.4 of the <install guide>. See also <mdadm>. http://wiki.debian.org/SoftwareRAID http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html http://raid.wiki.kernel.org/
13:56<kampmannpeine>although I partitioned the disk before within the boot shell
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13:57<ondrusu>Hi, I need connect flash disk ntfs on debian. I use "mount", but it does work
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13:57<ondrusu>You can help me?
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13:57<ondrusu>(I from czech republic)
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13:58<LtL>ondrusu: use mount -t ntfs or ntfs-3g
13:58<kampmannpeine>ok. so I redo all that stuff and reboot without dmraid=true ... means: I can use the previously partitioned disk ??
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13:59<ondrusu>I installed ntfs-3g
13:59<SynrG>kampmannpeine: previously partitioned how?
13:59<petn-randall>kampmannpeine: What do you mean with "boot shell"?
13:59<maria>ola
13:59<SynrG>kampmannpeine: if you mean your bios has its own tool to set it up then no, don't do that.
13:59<maria>podeis decirlo en español ke no me entero
13:59<petn-randall>!es
13:59<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:00<kampmannpeine>well I made 4 prim partitions within the installer shell and rebootet the CD
14:00<SynrG>kampmannpeine: just ignore all of that and let debian handle it
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14:00<SynrG>ah. you mean you opened a shell prompt while booted to the installer and partitioned manually?
14:00<kampmannpeine>so I say all the partitions to be "raid" when it comes to partman?
14:01<SynrG>if i recall correctly, yes.
14:01<kampmannpeine>and also in the bios I switch of the raid1 config?
14:02<SynrG>just 6.3.3.4 in the installation guide
14:02<SynrG>and yeah, turn off that stuff in the bios
14:02<kampmannpeine>ok now I try and possibly be back if something fails :)
14:03<SynrG>good luck
14:03<kampmannpeine>tnx
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14:04<SynrG>kampmannpeine: here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition
14:04<SynrG>skip down to 6.3.3.4
14:05<kampmannpeine>btw: are there any plans at DEBIAN to streamline those problem? I know that the Lenny system was quite easy with the same problem and you could partition the fake raid system within partman
14:05<kampmannpeine>however: It was not me who did the installation :(
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14:06<SynrG>there's no reason to use fakeraid at all
14:06<SynrG>software raid is superior
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14:06<SynrG>why would we want to make it easier?
14:06<SynrG>or did i misunderstand your question?
14:07<SynrG>i don't recall using shell at all to set up raid last time i did an install (squeeze)
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14:08<SynrG>as per the doc i just cited i just used partman and allocated them to use in a RAID
14:08<kampmannpeine>well: fake raid is actually a good option and with Lenny it worked as if it were a disk which could be partitioned ... prim and extend partitions
14:08<SynrG>good in what way?
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14:08<ondrusu>LtL, I use "ntfs-3g /dev/sdb and?
14:08<petn-randall>kampmannpeine: "fake raid" is the worst option of all.
14:10<kampmannpeine>good in the way it uses the raid1 disks as one disk including the ability to do the partitioning (e.g. prim and secondary partitions)
14:10<LtL>ondrusu: mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/devicename /media/mountpoint
14:10<SynrG>kampmannpeine: how is that "good"? it's just different.
14:11<petn-randall>kampmannpeine: mdadm does just that, and is far more flexible.
14:11<SynrG>i don't see software raid as limiting your options
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14:11<kampmannpeine>easier! anyway: tnx for help I have to do it now!
14:11<kampmannpeine>I lost already two days :)
14:11<SynrG>easier? i don't think it's even that. it's just "different" :)
14:11<P4C0>Hello, I have a problem with php (executable) not sure I should ask about it here, or in php channel, it seems to be package related...
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14:12<kampmannpeine>well, tnx anyway
14:12<SynrG>(i would argue it's harder, because you need to navigate the different bios of each different system to do it)
14:12<P4C0>The thing is that I have two php executables, /usr/bin/php and /usr/local/bin/php, is that normal?
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14:12<SynrG>P4C0: you have installed PHP locally from upstream source
14:12<kampmannpeine>that is true, but once you get acquainted with Your bios that is tolerable
14:13<SynrG>P4C0: how and when did you do this?
14:13<P4C0>SynrG: oh, yes... Now I remember...
14:13<maria>what?????
14:13<petn-randall>kampmannpeine: It's only easier for *you* because you're acquainted with it. mdadm is far more easy and flexible, and more powerful, if you compare it side by side.
14:13<P4C0>SynrG: thanks, sorry
14:14<kampmannpeine>Ok for you at Debian that might be true --- you have to deal with MORE systems (bioses) yeah
14:14<petn-randall>kampmannpeine: Take the disks from a fake raid and try to boot from them on a different machine. → endless headaches
14:14<SynrG>kampmannpeine: imagine your system dies. motherboard ... completely dead
14:15<SynrG>kampmannpeine: the disks are still good. now ... how do you recover? :)
14:15<SynrG>good luck with that
14:15<petn-randall>kampmannpeine: Try to configure a fake raid on a system in a datacentre where you might not have direct access to since the data centre is > 200km away ...
14:15<kampmannpeine>ok - I am an enduser and did system admin in my professional life - now I am retired ... and just do not like sysadmin any more!!! :)
14:16<sney>md is just as set-and-forget as fakeraid, and it's universally better
14:16<sney>I just moved an md array from a broken server to its replacement, and I didn't even have to touch mdadm. it detected the array on its own
14:17<kampmannpeine>convinced --- now let me try a last time doing my sysadmin
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14:17<kampmannpeine>bye
14:18<ondrusu>LtL, mountpoint is directory with rights sudo?
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14:19<LtL>ondrusu: use mkdir /media/some-name it should mount with 777 permissions
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14:21<LtL>ondrusu: if you mount as root, which i think you must, yes sudo can access it
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14:22<debian_>Hi, anyone can help me? I change accidentally all groups of all files to "root" and my system don't start anymore. What I do to restore original owner/group of all files of system?
14:23<SynrG>or:
14:23<SynrG>!user accessible ntfs
14:23<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
14:23<SynrG>debian_: full restore from backup
14:23<SynrG>debian_: no backup, you say? so sad :p
14:23<debian_>No backup!
14:24<debian_>:o
14:24<SynrG>save what you can (/home, /etc, whatever precious stuff is in /var) and reinstall
14:24<SynrG>remember to fix ownerships of anything you restore manually
14:24<debian_>If I execute dpkg-reconfigure --all I can get owner/groups permissions?
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14:24<petn-randall>debian_: no
14:24<SynrG>no. that won't rerun the scripts
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14:25<SynrG>debian_: there is no systematic way to rerun all the maintainer install scripts of all installed packages.
14:25<SynrG>and there's no guarantee even if you could, that they would behave properly
14:26<SynrG>i.e. they might say "oh hey, we already have that dir, let's skip it"
14:26<SynrG>or that group, or whatever
14:26<petn-randall>debian_: Backup all files you need, reinstall. Then make a plan how to do regular backups without a hassle, and actually do that :)
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14:27<debian_>SynrG what folders contain permissions of groups? /etc /var and?
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14:28<SynrG>debian_: are you still holding out a hope to rescue the system you have, or does your question have some other purpose?
14:29<SynrG>even if you seemed to reach a point where most things worked, you would have a system that would almost certainly have mistakes in the manual recovery process ...
14:29<SynrG>and it's not one i would be eager to support.
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14:29<SynrG>debian_: any file anywhere on your system might belong to some other group other than root
14:29<debian_>I can logon and run the system with root user.
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14:30<debian_>But the X don't start with normal user. I think is because the var permissions.
14:30<SynrG>debian_: that's not strictly true. some system processes deliberately change their identity to another user to limit the reach of their permissions. none of these would be able to do anything with the files with wrong ownership
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14:31<SynrG>it is futile to try to solve this the way you have started off
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14:31<SynrG>save yourself *and* us the bother and just do as we recommended.
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14:32<debian_>Ok. Thanks!
14:32<SynrG>clean reinstall. it will be a bit painful at first ...
14:32<SynrG>but then you will sleep well tonight :)
14:32<SynrG>anything else ... not so much
14:33<debian_>I try to fix it. But thanks for suggestion. Cya!
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14:33<petn-randall>debian_: Also, don't log into X as root ...
14:35<kampmannpeine>being back again: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/dmraid says it supports ATA RAID ... I switched the bios raid-enable into disable and did the install
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14:36<kampmannpeine>then I did in the partman select "raid" and put all primary partitions into raid on both disks ... however I cannot set swap etc.
14:36<kampmannpeine>i am confused now
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14:45<SynrG>kampmannpeine: so you didn't leave a non-raid partition for swap?
14:45<kampmannpeine>no should I?
14:46<kampmannpeine>I try
14:46<SynrG>i did. i don't know about "should". ask the experts here :p ... i've only done raid like, once, twice ... maybe three times in my life
14:47<sney>what raid level is it?
14:47<SynrG>anyway, why are you still looking at dmraid?
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14:47<SynrG>i thought we had sold you on md ...
14:47<sney>he says he disabled the bios raid
14:48<sney>the wiki instructions for partman should work for either I'd think
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14:48<SynrG>see URL to package dmraid he cited above ...
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14:48<sney>and just after it, "I switched the bios raid-enable to disable"
14:49<blast007>I generally put my swap in RAID - but I'm also not a RAID expert ;)
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14:49<sney>where you put your swap is less relevant the less you're going to use it
14:49<sney>but my only production system with a raid right now has a separate single disk for os and swap
14:50<SynrG>k. last time i did it myself i just put half the swap on each of two disks
14:50*ixi has swap in file
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14:51<stderr_dk>Swap: 0 0 0
14:51<stderr_dk>:-)
14:51<SynrG>yeah. on my netbook with ssd, no swap either ... but no raid, too ;)
14:51<sney>you just need to remember with most raid arrays, it's going to be doing operations twice, and that might impact your swap performance. and swap performance is never great to begin with
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14:52<SynrG>right. and that was my rationale for dividing swap between two spindles and keeping them independent
14:52<sney>yeah that's fair
14:52<stderr_dk>SynrG: That's on a box with 5 RAID1s.
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14:52<SynrG>but yes, once you go to swap, performance bites, so the best solution is to equip your system with enough ram
14:53<SynrG>partman whines loudly if you don't set up swap, but you can continue without it
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15:01<luko>привет народ!
15:02<ixi>!ru
15:02<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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15:03<luko>Vsem privet!
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15:03<blast007>"Another reason to use RAID for swap is high availability. If you set up a system to boot on eg. a RAID-1 device, the system should be able to survive a disk crash. But if the system has been swapping on the now faulty device, you will for sure be going down. Swapping on a RAID-1 device would solve this problem."
15:04<ixi>not swapping at all would too
15:04<heckman>Well, you can swap...just don't do it actively. :)
15:05<heckman>I trust the kernel to tuck away important things as it sees fit.
15:05<heckman>But high availability swap is not a term I've ever heard before, pretty great.
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15:07<SynrG>blast007: ah, makes sense
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15:50<alumno>hola
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15:54<Molly83>Hello,
15:54<Molly83>I just bought a new webcam, Creative Chat HD
15:54<Molly83>it is said to self-install, but it does not
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15:55<Molly83>I'm on Debian Gnome
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15:56<Molly83>I tried sudo aptitude install gspca-source camorama
15:56<Molly83>I expected gspca-source.tar.bz2 (driver source) to be downloaded on usr/scr
15:56<Molly83>but the file is not there
15:57<Molly83>arecord does not record anything (some noise, to be precise)
15:57<Molly83>but maybe it is trying to use the built-in mic of the EeePC
15:57<babilen>Molly83: You shouldn't have to install any drivers manually. How did you test the webcam?
15:57<babilen>also:>
15:57-!-xbytemx [~xbytemx@187.237.107.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:57<babilen>dpkg: enter
15:57<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
15:57<Molly83>I just tested the mic
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15:57<Molly83>I also tried to call a friend on Skype
15:58<Molly83>and basically
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15:58<Molly83>I see my image, but from the built-in cam of my EeePC
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15:58<babilen>Molly83: What happens if you switch to the other camera? Could you try it in, say, cheese too?
15:58<Molly83>I just bought this one because the built-in mic of the EccPC does not work on Debian
15:59<Molly83>Sorry, I do not understand
15:59<Molly83>Cheese is an application?
15:59<Molly83>Like Skype?
15:59<babilen>Molly83: pavucontrol should allow you to select the input source for sound. And yes, cheese is another application.
16:00<Molly83>ok, thanks
16:00<Molly83>I try
16:00<babilen>And please, do me a favour and use the enter key less frequently :)
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16:00<Molly83>Lol, I will try
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16:01<Molly83>should I download pavucontrol via apt-get?
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16:03<Molly83>downloaded
16:04<Molly83>pavucontrol opens, but immediatly says "connection refused" and closes back again. I will try with sudo
16:04<Molly83>still closing :(
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16:14<Molly83>I downloaded and launched pulseaudio:
16:14<Molly83>Your kernel driver is broken: it reports a volume range from 0,00 dB to 0,00 dB which makes no sense.
16:15<mtn>Molly83: which version of debian and which desktop?
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16:16<Molly83>OK, meanwhile I tested Cheese, it displys my image from the built-in cam
16:16<Molly83>How do I check my version and desktop?
16:17<mtn>Molly83: lsb_release -a and you should know which desktop. you can paste a screenshot if need be.
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16:18<Molly83>Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.8 (squeeze)
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16:19<Molly83>I'm on a EeePC, is that you are asking?
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16:19<mtn>Molly83: I was checking to see if it was wheezy, because gnome uses pulseaudio in wheezy. I don't think squeeze does.
16:20<Molly83>I thought I was on Gnome :/
16:20<mtn>Molly83: you probably are
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16:21<Molly83>How do I paste a screenshot?
16:21<RalfJ>not sure what's the right place to report this... gitweb at http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/kde-extras/lightdm-kde.git seems to be broken, and from all I could find out that's the "canonical" location
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16:21<mtn>Molly83: imgur.com with your web browser.
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16:22<RalfJ>okay, the problem is that that site loads data from https://alioth.debian.org, which uses a selfsigned (or otherwise not-by-default-trusted) cert, so firefox refuses to load, but doesnt show any message as its not the toplevel site which fails to load...
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16:23<RalfJ>still I'm probably not the only one bitten by this
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16:26<sney>I thought alioth was still down.
16:27<RalfJ>well, it's replying here^^ and I just got a mail via debian-devel-announce saying tis back
16:28<RalfJ>but I cannot find out where to report bugs against it
16:28<RalfJ>there's probably some pseudopackage on bugs.d.o., but I have no idea how it's called :-/
16:28<sney>yeah. I feel like I knew, once
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16:28<Molly83>http://i.imgur.com/vJ6OTPZ.png?1
16:28<sney>it's something that paultag would immediately know
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16:30<houms>according to mail list it is back online but some ssh keys changed
16:31<RalfJ>seems like http://alioth.debian.org/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1&atid=200001 is where I have to report issues
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16:31<RalfJ>at least that's what https://wiki.debian.org/Alioth says^^
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17:25<peej>I have a bcm4313 wireless on an aspire one d270. iwlist wlan0 scanning shows lotsa wireless networks. wicd-gtk doesn't show any of them. Ideas?
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17:27<peej>I'm on wheezy kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64. It's probably something really dumb.
17:27<pablito>hi, I have some trouble with the setup of the latest debian
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17:28<pablito>I am trying to install koha-common
17:28<pablito>but it gives me a bunch of dependencies errors
17:29<pablito>for example: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
17:29<pablito> koha-common : Depends: libauthen-cas-client-perl but it is not going to be installed
17:29<pablito> Depends: libcache-fastmmap-perl but it is not going to be installed
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17:29<devil>pablito: please pastebin the whole output
17:29<pablito>ok
17:29<pablito>which pastbin url?
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17:29<devil>paste.debian.net
17:31<devil>pablito: there is no koha-common in debian
17:31<pablito>http://paste.debian.net/67264/
17:31<pablito>hmm
17:32<pablito>how come?
17:32<devil>well, how am I to know, I do not know the package
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17:32<devil>or what it does
17:32<devil>what was your line to install it?
17:32<pablito>it's a Library System
17:32<pablito>sudo apt-get install koha-common
17:33<pablito>I was just in the #koha channel and they couldn't help me
17:33<pablito>they said it's most likely a debian setup problem, that's why I'm here
17:33<devil>I cannot find anything on koha-common in debian
17:33<petn-randall>!bat
17:33<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
17:34<petn-randall>^^ pablito
17:34<pablito>ok
17:34<devil>,v koha-common
17:34<judd>No package named 'koha-common' was found in i386.
17:34<petn-randall>Looks like a repository foobar
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17:34<devil>strange stuff
17:35<devil>debian packagesearch say no such package in debian
17:35<devil>try for yourself: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
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17:36<pablito>http://paste.debian.net/67265/
17:37<devil>not for me. package not found
17:37<devil>pablito: you have 3rd party sources?
17:37<devil>oh, 500 http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/ squeeze/main amd64 Packages
17:38<devil>that expßlains it
17:38<devil>what did they mean by 'setup problem'?
17:39<pablito>they just said, it's most likely debian was setup incorrectly
17:39<pablito>ahhh, i found the problem
17:39<pablito>my debian was setup as "wheezy" but my repo was "squeeze"
17:40<devil>debian is setup wrong because a random 3rd party tool does not work? that is funny
17:40<devil>well, wheezy is a bit old
17:40<pablito>btw, what do wheezy and squeeze mean?
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17:40<peej>yup. It was something stupid. I should put in the interface name in wicd-gtk--->preferences--->wireless interface
17:40<devil>wheezy is old-stable, squeeze is stable atm
17:41<LtL>devil: other way around
17:41<devil>heh
17:41<devil>grrr
17:41<devil>of course.
17:41<pablito>ah ok, thanks
17:42<pablito>distro people have a way with naming things
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17:42<LtL>pablito: those are both codenames for the numeric release names, wheezy is 7.x
17:42<pablito>hmm, what does that mean?
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17:43<LtL>pablito: wheezy is the codename for the present'stable' version 7
17:43<LtL>squeeze was 6
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17:43<LtL>squeeze = oldstable
17:44<LtL>excuse my excessive enter key
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17:44<pablito>no prob, i've learned something new every day
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17:45<LtL>pablito: fyi - the codenames are characters from the movie 'toy story' - which i've never seen :)
17:45<LtL>pablito: testing will be named 'jessie'
17:45<pablito>i've seen all the Toy Story movies, but don't recall those names
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17:47<pablito>ah ok, I get the reference now
17:47<Molly83>so actually mic and cam work
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17:47<pablito>wheezy is the penguin...like the linux penguin...cool
17:47<Molly83>the problem is that i fear they are not recognised as default ones
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17:48<Molly83>how do I choose mic and webcam?
17:48<Molly83>alsamixer?
17:48<pablito>LtL & devil: thank you for your help
17:48<pablito>have a good night/day :-)
17:48<devil>yw
17:48<LtL>Molly83: your cam should be /dev/video0 as for the mic i have no idea
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17:50<Molly83>should I go in that folder?
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17:51<LtL>Molly83: alsamixer just chooses your sound device, open vlc for instance and your video should be defined /dev/video0
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17:52<Molly83>ok
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17:55<LtL>Molly83: /dev/ contains device nodes, most programs should find the correct device or you'll need to enter it somehow/somewhere
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17:55<lfaraone>Is there a way to configure the official Debian AWS AMIs to **not** recreate the SSH key when they're attached to a new instance?
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17:56<Molly83>mmm
17:56<Molly83>I have vlc opened now
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17:57<Molly83>does it mean that for every program i will have to find the correct device?
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17:58<LtL>Molly83: some will some won't, you'll probably have to tell vlc about /dev/video0
17:59<LtL>Molly83: in vlc/media open capture device, try /dev/video0
17:59<LtL>the mic may 'just work'
17:59<Molly83>it's true
17:59<Molly83>it works
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17:59<LtL>great
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18:00<Molly83>ùthanks, the main problem is to get the mic work still :(
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18:28<Molly83>Hi again
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18:29<Molly83>after triyng to set Creative Live! Cam as a default microphone for Skype I fixed the problem of not being able to phone somebody
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18:30<Molly83>I made a call after the test call of skype
18:30<Molly83>and suddenly the adio of my system went off completely
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18:32<petn-randall>Molly83: Skype may not be the best way to test audio under linux. Try a recording app.
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18:33<petn-randall>Molly83: I had a case where Skype automatically adjusted the loudness of my micro, but took the wrong input as measurement.
18:34<Molly83>I already teste my audio with a webtool
18:34<Molly83>(arecord | aplay) is busy, dont' know why
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18:38<Molly83>even the video on youtube are not working properly now :(
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21:02<glenrock>i'm looking for current instructions on how to install steam on debian wheezy
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21:11<aidalgol>What's the Right Way™ to do a union mount on wheezy?
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21:26<aidalgol>Seems to be aufs.
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22:23<aerth>hi.. i have a laptop running wheezy... it remains off-line primarily as a music playing machine... today the sound stopped coming out. All signs point towards a blown speaker or bad wire etc... How do i check logs to hone in on what may be causing the silence?
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22:24<aerth>could it be related to low disk space ? i have 240Mb in /home partition
22:24<sasha>I don't seem to have screen-shot functionality, am I missing a gnome package?
22:25<aerth>try the command: gnome-screenshot
22:26<aerth>gnome-screenshot --help
22:26<sasha>aerth, I don't have it
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22:26<aerth>yeah just apt-get install it see if that helps
22:27<sasha>aerth, lol, that was easy, thx, how can I view other gnome packages available but not installed
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22:27<aerth>apt-cache search games
22:28<aerth>replace games with a keyword
22:28<aerth>but there will be packages that are not gnome-based in there too...
22:28<sasha>apt-cache search gnome*
22:28<aerth>that would do it :)
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22:29<nadir>in such a case using synaptic ain't bad, imho
22:29<sasha>you can do it, didn't work as expected, I thought I'd get just packages starting with gnome
22:29<aerth>synaptic would probably work better... maybe *gnome* too
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22:31<nadir>perhaps something like: apt-cache search gnome | grep '^gnome'
22:31<nadir>add --names-only, etc
22:32<nadir>just in case ^ means something like: at beginning of the line
22:32<sgp667>hey does anyone know any lightweight alternatives to Xorg I don't know why its so hard to find
22:32<aerth>so i am playing a good song, alsa-mixer shows output on the meter, no sound thru speakers or headphones. sound was working hour ago
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22:35<aerth>sgp667 wayland just came out with a stable release but i'm not sure anything about it
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22:45<aerth>i have tried restarting alsa service.. no win
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