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---Logopened Sat Nov 23 00:00:46 2013
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00:06<aerth>what do you do when sound just mutes all of the sudden?
00:07<lostson>turn it back up
00:07<sney>check if pulseaudio is running, check mixer levels, and so forth
00:08<aerth>volume all the way up... alsa-mixer levels good... vlc keeps rollin... quad libet keeps rollin... no sound. i always play music off that machine and it never ever has been on the internet or updated or anything installed on it.
00:09<aerth>just happened out of nowhere. headphones jack is silent too.. when i boost mic in settings, i hear a fuzz but thats all i hear out of the speakers
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00:11<aerth>no pulse-audio
00:11<aerth>no recent apt changes
00:11<aerth>restarting in a live OS seeing if that helps.
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00:45<aerth>im listening to bring the noise on live usb...
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00:50<disparaissant>heya can i ask a quuuuestion real fast?
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00:50<disparaissant>omg its jesus
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00:52<disparaissant>i've got an old powerbook i've got 6.0.8 running on. it's going swimmingly so far. i'd LIKE to upgrade to wheezy, however the graphics card on this piece is absolutely ancient and doesn't play well with nouveau. i'd like to pin the xserver-xorg-video-nv driver and see if i can upgrade liek that buuuut
00:52<disparaissant>i tried that and it didn't work
00:52<disparaissant>i'm guessing i have to pin more than the driver but i'm not quite sure what, and if it's safe to do more than that.
00:54<aerth>what do you do
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01:18<nova>Hello world!
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01:20<filePeter>Hi, I’m having a wheezey-backports entry in my sources.list - normally these entries are automatically pinned 100. But as it seems an apt-get upgrade want to upgrade to backports’ firmwares, git, openssh-server … Why is that?
01:20<filePeter>nova: Hello nova!
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01:21<nova>I am new here~
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01:21<filePeter>nova: Seems like you successfully managed! Great!
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01:25<nova>Just give me some time to understand your words...^_^ (I'm so poor in English)
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01:25<filePeter>nova: Welcome! It is great that you found this channel!
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02:25<knadyy>damn this girl has such a fine Yum yum.
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02:28<aidalgol>How do I change the keyboard layout for the console?
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02:44<stderr_dk>aidalgol: One time or more permanently?
02:44<aidalgol>Permanently, but I didn't know you could do it for just the current session.
02:44<stderr_dk>loadkeys for a one time thing, dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration for something more permanently.
02:45<stderr_dk>No problem.
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03:16<BlackFerdyPT>hi everyone. can anyone here recommend me the best 3D game (a FPS, or something of the sort) available in the "main" repository, for me to test my new 3D card?
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03:18<zykotick9>BlackFerdyPT: openarena is in main (it's based off the quake3 engine, so not exactly cutting edge)
03:18<Nemoder>BlackFerdyPT: might also try nexuiz
03:19<BlackFerdyPT>ah. thank you very much! :)
03:19<BlackFerdyPT>that's exactly the kind of games I was looking for
03:19<BlackFerdyPT>I don't need a cutting edge one, since it's a single core computer and a bit old #D card
03:19<BlackFerdyPT>*3D card
03:20<BlackFerdyPT>openarena and nexuiz are exactly the kind of games I was looking for. :) I know what they are, and it's the kind of games that I still might play
03:21<BlackFerdyPT>thank you very much, zykotick9 and Nemoder :)
03:21<BlackFerdyPT>take care
03:22<Nemoder>spring and megaglest are also good if you like RTS
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03:24<BlackFerdyPT>thanks, Nemoder . Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory is the only one I still like to play. but, because I don't want to use PunkBuster and the ET:L fork is not functioning well yet, on my computer, I want to know if it's the beta release of ET:L that is giving me problems, or this manufacturer refurbished card
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03:25<BlackFerdyPT>so, that's why I want to test a similar game, like the ones you two recommended
03:26<BlackFerdyPT>I don't want to have proprietary software on my computer - like PunkBuster - anymore
03:26<BlackFerdyPT>so, that's why I was asking about one that is worthy of Debian's "main" repository
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03:27<BlackFerdyPT>But, I'll take a look at those two more game that you also recommended, Nemoder . thank you very much :)
03:29<BlackFerdyPT>thanks again, Nemoder and zykotick9 . good bye and take care. :)
03:29<Nemoder>have fun
03:29<zykotick9>BlackFerdyPT: have fun
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03:43<stderr_dk>It didn't work.
03:45<kampmannpeine>Raid1 system: it installed - as it seems - everything until it came to grub - per default it shows /dev/md3 as boot device but it also has /dev/sda1 etc. which should I take?
03:46<kampmannpeine>do I take the rescue system? or advanced?
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04:33<valdyn>kampmannpeine: boot device or really the device to install grub on?
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05:36<kampmannpeine>boot device: that is something I do not know exactly because I get offered the mdx devices and the sda or sdb devices. which to take I do not know
05:37<kampmannpeine> Raid1 system: it installed - as it seems - everything until it came to grub - per default it shows /dev/md3 as boot device but it also has /dev/sda1 etc. which should I take?
05:37<kampmannpeine> do I take the rescue system? or advanced?
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05:44<kampmannpeine>it should be the device where to install the grub boot loader
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05:45<kampmannpeine>again: the wheezy installer does not take any of the çaid1
05:46<kampmannpeine>again: the wheezy installer does not take any of the Raid1 devices as boot device though the boot-flag is on
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06:02<valdyn>kampmannpeine: the device where you install the bootload should normally be a harddisk (plain /dev/sda for instance)
06:02<valdyn>kampmannpeine: and all your raid disks to protect against faults like a raid does
06:02<valdyn>kampmannpeine: or just *all* your disks
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06:04<kampmannpeine>I do not understand this in connection with the wheezy installer:kampmannpeine: and all your raid disks to protect against faults like a raid does
06:04<kampmannpeine> kampmannpeine: or just *all* your disks
06:05<valdyn>kampmannpeine: your bios loads your bootloader, right. So you can only install the bootloader where your bios will find it, thats probably any of your harddisks
06:06<valdyn>kampmannpeine: so - certainly not sda1 or md3, but sda or sdb
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06:06<kampmannpeine>ok i understand this but: how do I tell the installer?
06:07<valdyn>kampmannpeine: you get prompted to select disks...
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06:08<valdyn>kampmannpeine: if you want me to answer more definite you need to post a screenshot...
06:09<valdyn>kampmannpeine: in the step *after* grub one can in a raid1 or sda1 and sdb1 called md1 continue booting off any of those 3
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06:10<valdyn>kampmannpeine: in the step *after* grub one can in a raid1 *of* sda1 and sdb1 called md1 continue booting off any of those 3
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06:17<kampmannpeine>screenshot: how do I save the screenshot ?
06:17<barry128>hi there, I am trying to solve a speed limit on my wan connection on my routers, anybody can help?
06:17<kampmannpeine>And how do I put it here in IRC?
06:17<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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06:18<valdyn>picpaste I guess
06:18<valdyn>!tell barry128 -about ask
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06:30<barry128>hi valdyn, i just got a 200bit wan connection, connected to a router from my isp
06:30<barry128>I put that router in bridge mode so my tomato shibby router can do the router stuff
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06:30<barry128>but tomato and openwrt routers can only get to 100mbit wan routing
06:31<barry128>i am looking for a way to achieve 200mbit wan connection/routing on the isp router but firewall, wifi hotspot stuff, vlan server functions on the tomato/openwrt router
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06:33<valdyn>barry128: dont adress me, i just told you how to ask, not that i knew anything about it
06:33<valdyn>barry128: sounds like not a debian issue
06:33<barry128>thats correct
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06:36<kampmannpeine>I used and uploaded a file of syslog under my name (kampmannpeine)
06:36<valdyn>kampmannpeine: you can paste the url here
06:36<kampmannpeine>It was the syslog of last trial installation
06:37<valdyn>(though i dont know what to look for in a syslog where theres no error)
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06:40<stderr_dk>kampmannpeine: I think you have uploaded your file as "hidden", so unless you give us the link, we can see it.
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06:42<valdyn>kampmannpeine: what is your error?
06:43<kampmannpeine>I have a syslog but this exceeds 150 kB and does not fit into the
06:43<valdyn>kampmannpeine: what are you even pasting this stuff?
06:43<kampmannpeine>My error is: I cannot install the grub bootloader
06:43<valdyn>kampmannpeine: we know you seem to have a problem selecting the correct disk / partition
06:43<valdyn>kampmannpeine: we dont need that paste to solve your problem
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06:44<valdyn>kampmannpeine: we need a clear problem description
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06:44<valdyn>kampmannpeine: a screenshot could help with that, but you are free to provide a clear description in plain english
06:44<kampmannpeine>ok which file do you need? I have syslog, partman and summary
06:44<valdyn>kampmannpeine: I dont need any file
06:45<kampmannpeine>Ok i try agn ... sorry for the inconvenience ... I am just a beginner :)
06:46<kampmannpeine>tnx anyway
06:46<valdyn>kampmannpeine: this isnt a problem of being a beginner. Its only a problem of you not telling us what your precise problem is
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06:49<kampmannpeine>Now I am in the installation of the basic system (in German: Grundsystem - I chose as install lang German ... )
06:49<kampmannpeine>and it says "initramfs-tool" cannot be installed
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06:50<kampmannpeine>and then I come into the main menu where I can choose a very lot of options
06:50<stderr_dk>There's a log on alt-F2 (or is it alt-F3?)... Does it say anything about what the problem is?
06:53<kampmannpeine>the log is on alt-f4 however says only something about PIXART, which I do not understand
06:55<kampmannpeine>it says: Installation of GRUB failed and
06:56<kampmannpeine>grub-pc package could not be installed into /target/ etc-
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06:57<stderr_dk>And that's it?
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06:58<kampmannpeine>when I retry to reinstall grub from th menua
06:59<kampmannpeine>menu he requires to reinstall the basic system which I did (takes some tim) and again and again
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07:00<kampmannpeine>he says: the system is "unclean" do you want to install in spite of that, I say "yes" and come back to the menu
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07:08<SynrG>kampmannpeine: you don't reinstall without repartitioning. partman wipes the partition ... if you skip that step, it still has material from the failed install on it
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07:09<SynrG>so, don't do that.
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07:10<SynrG>as for the grub problem, i don't know. we still haven't seen error output
07:11<SynrG>as for the size of the log ... decide which parts are important to understand the problem and just paste that
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07:13<kampmannpeine>ok. I think I start all over and post the pertaining stuff to the and come back to this IRC - d'accord??
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07:14<SynrG>kampmannpeine: sounds good
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07:15<kampmannpeine>yeah - takes only lot of time ... are you here by tomorrow (sunday)?
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07:16<kampmannpeine>how about German? or should I do the installation in English and switch to German later after the install?
07:16<SynrG>generally someone is here always, and i am here often, every day
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07:17<SynrG>you should just install in your own language. we'll sort it out somehow
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07:17<kampmannpeine>ok - but for me it's the same ... we'll see
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07:18<kampmannpeine>ok folks, I try and try do my best :) I am learning
07:19<SynrG>most important to learn is to always be ready with output for us
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07:55<bluenemo>hi guys. i'm looking around for some wiki software to use for the future. i work as a linux consultant and often have to give documentation with my work. there is a bunch to choose from.. what do you prefer?
07:57<SynrG>as much as i hate php, i haven't much to complain about mediawiki
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07:58<SynrG>on the other end of the scale, ikiwiki is intriguing but i've never done a deployment of it that i would consider a success :p
07:58<SynrG>probably due to factors not relating to the software itself, though
07:58<bluenemo>yeah that was what catched my eye first too. i like the gollum - git idea, but it has no sense of auth and i dont want to hack; and want to write doc ;)
07:59<bluenemo>hehe. sth in django maybe?
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08:01<SynrG>come up with a list of end goals and see how each one measures up. personally, the framework it's built on or language it's written in probably not at the top of the list of considerations.
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08:01<SynrG>but that's just me
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08:02<bluenemo>hm yeah you're true about that. actually "its just me" to look for the language i like ;) but actually my homepage is in wordpress, so yeah lets go with sth that "just works" ;)
08:03<bluenemo>(not saying that wordpress just works but i found that i can make it work the way i want to most of the time ;)
08:03<bluenemo>thanks for your input SynrG
08:03<SynrG>put it this way: i've *tried* wikis that were based on my preferred language or framework and failed
08:07<ectospasm>I'm not convinced wordpress is a natural choice for setting up a wiki.
08:07<ectospasm>I mean, it's possible
08:07<ectospasm>...but that doesn't mean one should
08:08<SynrG>a) we should probably take it to #debian-offtopic and b) i think his point was an example of choosing software not based on preferred language or framework, not an example of wiki software :)
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08:27<bluenemo>ectospasm, no i have wordpress for my normal website. i'm going with the mediawiki for now.
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08:31<alctraz>my neam sami
08:31<alctraz>aim from maroc
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08:35<Guest6700>i use ylmf like window
08:36<Guest6700>hallo there
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08:37<Guest6700>hallo whirling
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08:38<abrotman>Guest6700: do you need help with Debian?
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08:41<Guest6700>yes.. i can't intall mini games
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08:42<stderr_dk>Guest6700: Why not?
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08:47<Guest6700>i download mini games from web and ... i dont know how to install
08:48<stderr_dk>What mini games? What are the names of the files?
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08:48<war>Hello, I setup ulogd2 mysql plug-in and for the ip(SRC/DST) I get corrupted bits: ??GJqu -- however, evreything else is good (shows, BLOCK) etc , why does this occur?
08:48<Guest6700>i forgot.. just tell me how to install it..
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08:49<stderr_dk>Guest6700: It depends on the what kind of files you downloaded.
08:50<stderr_dk>You still have the files, right? Can't you just check their filenames?
08:51<Guest6700>it's the game right?
08:52<stderr_dk>Could be...
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08:53<stderr_dk>tar -jxf comisat-gc_0.5.2.tar.bz2 to extract the tar.bz2 file. Let us know, when it's done unpacking.
08:53<Guest6700>so.. can it install?
08:53<stderr_dk>Maybe... We'll see.
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08:57<SynrG>,v gambas
08:57<judd>No package named 'gambas' was found in i386.
08:57<SynrG>,v gambas3
08:57<judd>Package: gambas3 on i386 -- wheezy: 3.1.1-2; jessie: 3.1.1-2.2; sid: 3.1.1-2.2
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08:57<stderr_dk>"needs gambas 1.9.44"
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08:58<SynrG>ours might be too new
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08:58<stderr_dk>$ head -1 .comisat-gc.gambas
08:58<stderr_dk>#! /usr/bin/env gbr2
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08:58<stderr_dk>apt-file search gbr2 doesn't find anything...
08:59<SynrG>not a good sign
08:59<SynrG>unless a paunch makes that
08:59<stderr_dk>I'm only using main. It could be in non-free or contrib.
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09:01<Guest6700>i see..
09:01<stderr_dk>gambas3-runtime: /usr/bin/gbr3
09:01<war>is pkg: nulog broken in testing? I have the same problem as this guy:
09:01*SynrG teaches his dictionary names of maintainer v scripts :-P
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09:03<stderr_dk>Guest6700: You _might_ be able to run the games using gbr3 comisat-gc but I wouldn't count on it.
09:03<stderr_dk>gbr3 is, as I said, in the "gambas3-runtime" package.
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09:30<Elvano>I've just installed postgresql from the debian repo. it didn't ask me for a password, whatsoever, yet I need one to log on. Isd there like a default one?
09:30<FragByte>Elvano: postgres
09:30<abrotman>Elvano: su - postgres, create a user for you
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09:30<Elvano>I'm pretty sure I've tried that one
09:30<abrotman>probably says this in the docs
09:31<Elvano>I know that, abrotman. Problem is I need the password for that
09:31<FragByte>Elvano: it does not have one
09:32<FragByte>Elvano: as root 'su - postgres'
09:32<Elvano>Leaving it empty doesn't allow me to
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09:32<Elvano>ah, root. Sorry about that
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09:33<Elvano>Now it works. Sorry bout this
09:34<war>Does anyone here use a log analyzer for iptables logs (http/graphical results)?
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09:37<padski>I have an AR7010 device, which has a usb storage mode and a wireless mode (see and I'm trying to figure out how to access the disk.
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09:39<padski>The wiki page talks about the OLD usb_modeswitch. What has replaced it?
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09:45<SynrG>,v usb-modeswitch
09:45<judd>Package: usb-modeswitch on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1.4-2; squeeze-backports: 1.2.3+repack0-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.2.3+repack0-1; jessie: 2.0.1+repack0-2; sid: 2.0.1+repack0-2
09:45<SynrG>nothing? yet?
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09:49<padski>SynrG, now I've tried uninstalling usb-modeswitch, but it appears as if some other program or driver is switching the device.
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09:50<gsimmons>padski: The ath9k_htc driver does the switch (to wireless mode) itself since Linux 2.6.39.
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09:50<padski>yeah, the cogs are grinding slowly today. So, I'll go and blacklist the driver :-)
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09:52<asdfghqwertyLoop>apt-get install both multiple architectures and a package with architecture
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09:53<stderr_dk>asdfghqwertyLoop: Is that a question?
09:53<stderr_dk>Oh, nevermind then...
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10:06<padski>mission accomplished! many thanks SynrG, gsimmons !
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10:19<mjrosenb>I'm running debian in a chroot on a tegra-2 device, and gcc just ICE'd :-(
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10:20<mjrosenb>is gcc something that debian modifies (and should be reported to debian), or is this something that should go to gcc?
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10:28<aworldapart>I've go the following problem with debian Wheezy in a laptop with 915GM Intel graphic card: when I try to change the resolution to a lower value than (1400x1050) what is does is creating a smaller square with the desktop inside a bigger frame, but the resolution never "fullscreens" so to speak. The video module installed is "i915". With Squeeze, even though the same module is installed, I never had that problem.
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10:32<aurelien>hello #debian, why ?
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10:32<abrotman>why what?
10:33<aurelien>why no freecad in debian stable ?
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10:33<abrotman>judd: versions freecad
10:33<judd>Package: freecad on i386 -- squeeze: 0.10.3247.dfsg-1; jessie: 0.13.2580-dfsg-2; sid: 0.13.2580-dfsg-2
10:33<abrotman>must have been buggy
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10:33<abrotman>8 to o?
10:34<aworldapart>I've go the following problem with debian Wheezy in a laptop with 915GM Intel graphic card: when I try to change the resolution to a lower value than (1400x1050) what is does is creating a smaller square with the desktop inside a bigger frame, but the resolution never "fullscreens" so to speak. The video module installed is "i915". With Squeeze, even though the same module is installed, I never had that problem.
10:34<stderr_dk>No, minus.
10:34<abrotman>snow shovel
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10:59<birch>Hey all. I'm running Wheezy 64bit and I have been having some audio/video issues lately. Audio skips randomly and video skips, tears, or freezes. Sometimes all I have to do is give input by moving the mouse around a bit and sometimes there's nothing I can do. I think it's a driver or kernel issue but I can't find anything that matches the segfaults that I'm getting.
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11:00<mjrosenb>birch: sounds like a scheduler issue (maybe?)
11:00<birch>mjrosenb, how do i check or fix?
11:02<mjrosenb>birch: no clue. I just know dumb schedulers can lead to those symptoms.
11:03<birch>mjrosenb, some of the recent segfaults have been from libtracker-miner-0.14 but i have no idea what that does
11:03<abrotman>or overheating?
11:03<FragByte>birch: you can check if it works fine when forcein acpi_pm as clocksource
11:04<FragByte>add clocksource=acpi_pm to your kernel line in grub for one boot
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11:04<birch>abrotman, it runs hot sometimes but that's not the problem. this is software from upgrading to wheezy
11:04<mjrosenb>birch: scheduler issues should not lead to segfaults.
11:06<birch>mjrosenb, this is my system
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11:10<leonov>birch: i have same problems on my Lenovo T61, also Wheezy_x64
11:11<birch>leonov, can you find your system on kmuto? we can maybe compare hardware
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11:11<leonov>birch: let me check...
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11:15<birch>leonov, any luck?
11:15<birch>you can also copy an lspci output and get custom results
11:15<birch>there's instruction on the site
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11:19<leonov>birch: this one:
11:20<birch>leonov, it looks like we have some hardware in common
11:20<birch>but it's not the video or audio
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11:21<birch>just lots of controllers
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11:21<birch>maybe it's the sata controller?
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11:21<aworldap1rt>I have got a problem with my 915GM intel card, if I set resolutions smaller than the maximum, the desktop size is smaller than the output, I can't get it to fullscreen
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11:22<birch>leonov, switching machines brb
11:22<leonov>birch: ?
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11:23<birch_>hey leonov
11:24<leonov>hell, it's always something... i had no problem on T60 or any other IBM/Lenovo machines...
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11:25<leonov>T4xx series works like charm
11:25<birch_>leonov, i've had problems with this machine over the years but there's usually a fix because it's supported under ubuntu thanks to the system76 team, but sometimes after a big update like wheezy there's a gap in patches
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11:27<leonov>birch: yeah, i've noticed that
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11:28<leonov>Lenovo machines are well supported, as far as i can tell. i had few problems while tweaking my machines, but all went OK at the end
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11:31<leonov>birch: youtube and vimeo worked fine on same setup on T60. i did fresh installed on this T61 today and start having this problems with a/v streaming
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11:47<ompaul>leonov: did you install your flash and the thinkpad firmware?
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12:08<xd>guys, i want to view pdf files im iceweasel, is there a plugin available?
12:08<mjrosenb>xd: I'd recommend pdf.js
12:09<xd>so, apt-get install pdf.js ?
12:09<xd>mjrosenb: should i install it like that?
12:10<mjrosenb>xd: what version of iceweasel are you using? it's been shipped as part of firefox for a while now.
12:11<mjrosenb>c.c, yeah, that is kind of old.
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12:11<mjrosenb>pdf.js may not be uspported then.
12:11<xd>i recently upgraded
12:12<xd>so how do u get latest iceweasel?
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12:12<mjrosenb>it is more than a year old at this point.
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12:13<xd>mjrosenb : recommend me the comman so that i can get the latest
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12:13<mjrosenb>xd: lostatwork gave you a pretty good link.
12:13<zykotick9>xd: see the link lostatwork just gave you...
12:14<mjrosenb>xd: but 'release' is probably what you want.
12:14<xd>ya saw
12:14<xd>let me get it on my machine
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12:19<xd>lostatwork : are they authenticated?
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12:20<xd>lostatwork :is an authenticated source?
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12:22<lostatwork>xd: download the package to authenticate
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12:22<lostatwork>xd: its listed there right in the directions
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12:23<xd>lostatwork : thanks, installing backports now, is that it all?
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12:29<SynrG>xd: incidentally '' is not 'a source'. debian developers operate their own debian-related projects in typically this means a debian developer has signed the packages on those hosts that offer packages, but that varies per site.
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12:29<terrible96>hi how can i install xulrunner-24.0 in debian squeeze
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12:30<SynrG>terrible96: why are you still running squeeze?
12:30<ompaul>terrible96: given that squeeze is about three months from EOL why not bite the bullet and move to wheezy
12:30<ompaul>group think how does it work ;-)
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12:31<terrible96>it is possible or not???
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12:31<birch_>leonov, disabling my microphone has helped witht he audio issues but it's too soon to tell
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12:32<ompaul>99% sure you can do it - would I - no, so do I have interest in researching it no, do I have a suggestion yes move to wheezy
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12:34<ompaul>,v xulrunner-24.0
12:34<ompaul>wow judd is slow today
12:34<judd>Package: xulrunner-24.0 on i386 -- sid: 24.1.0esr-1
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12:35<terrible96>i just want to upgrade iceweasel to the lastest version
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12:35<SynrG>terrible96: and a pony
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12:36<terrible96>pony are cute
12:36<lostatwork>terrible96: you can use the repo at that way you can run the latest version of firefox/iceweasel on your machine
12:36<SynrG>not that new on that old a release, i don't think
12:37<terrible96>lostatwork, the system require xulrunner-24.0
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12:37<lostatwork>oh didnt see that SynrG yeah if its squeeze I doubt it as well
12:37<SynrG>no, i think it does
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12:37<SynrG>Support for oldstable (Squeeze) will not go further than version 24.
12:37<ompaul>,v xulrunner-24.0
12:37<judd>Package: xulrunner-24.0 on i386 -- sid: 24.1.0esr-1
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12:39<SynrG>Package: xulrunner-24.0
12:39<SynrG>Version: 24.1.0esr-1~bpo60+1
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12:43<backbox>yay for autojoin on connect!
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12:44<imran__>Any one
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12:44<imran__>Love love
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12:47<Maulkin>imran__ / Matafaka : do you have Debian support questions?
12:47<imran__>What Hiya
12:47<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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12:47<Maulkin>imran__: Please head over to #debian-offtopic for general chat please.
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12:48<Maulkin>imran__: /join #debian-offtopic
12:48<Matafaka>Maulkin, no sorry, I was just trying out backbox and debian servers was in the top of the servers list in xchat.. :)
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12:48<__zero>I just tried to join #debian from my remote server and it says I'm banned.. what's the reason?
12:48<Matafaka>I'll jump out also. ! have a nice weekend guys!
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12:49<Maulkin>__zero: What's the exact error, and what's the ip?
12:49<__zero>Maulkin: Cannot join to channel #debian (You are banned)
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12:49<__zero>Maulkin: IP is]\
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12:52<@Maulkin>__zero: I can't see anything by default. Are you trying to log in as root?
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12:52<@Maulkin>Could you perhaps join me in #tmp on your remote server?
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12:53<Italo>I have some message on boot about the dvd-cdrom drive
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12:54<Italo>the dvd-cdrom drive work perfectly under win, but under debian have some problem on start up
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12:54<Italo>this is a photo : --->
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12:55<Italo>so I don't understand what stuff of message is it
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12:56<SynrG>Italo: sec, checking the bug tracker
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12:57*Italo SynrG what is the bug tracker?
12:57<SynrG>Italo: which debian release?
12:57<SynrG>debian BTS,
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12:58<SynrG>i'm not sure if the specific bug i found applies to you. which release of debian?
12:58<SynrG>and what does 'uname -r' report?
12:58<Italo>6.08 x64 , but the difect is with other release as ubuntu 12.04 , and mint 14
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12:58<SynrG>Italo: why are you still running squeeze? it is oldstable and will be EOL in a few months ...
12:59*Italo SynrG ah, support 'll finish from few months?
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13:00<SynrG>Italo: it looks like #637659
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13:01*Italo SynrG I use 6.08 because I use it on a old pc , from 2005 , and 7.2 have a bad GUI , with gnome 3
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13:01<karimo>Hello everyone
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13:01<karimo>I would like to have some help creating a valid minimal install image for kFreeBSD
13:01*Italo SynrG what mean #637659 ?
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13:02<karimo>How I am supposed to create a burnable ISO file from debian-cd_info?
13:02<karimo>There is an enourmous lack of documentation regarding this special archive and how to create an ISO from it
13:02<SynrG>Italo: it's a bug# and if the bot was listening, it would give us a URL to it. apparently it isn't
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13:03<karimo>It is clear that I have to use the content of the archive as the root directory for the resulting ISO
13:03<karimo>but how to make it bootable_
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13:04<karimo>Somebody ever made an image from just kfreebsd.gz, initrd.gz and debian-cd_info?
13:04<SynrG>Italo: what version of linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 do you have?
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13:04*Italo SynrG debian 6.08 x64
13:05<Italo>Linux debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Sep 23 22:14:43 UTC 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux
13:05<SynrG>nope. that didn't answer my question
13:05*Italo SynrG default kernel
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13:05<SynrG>Italo: dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64
13:06<SynrG>i wanted to know what appears in the Version column
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13:07<karimo>Anyone could help me with kFreeBSD image?
13:07<SynrG>Italo: if i were you, i would use debian 7 and either gnome classic or xfce4 on that system.
13:07<Italo>ii linux-image-2. 2.6.32-48squee Linux 2.6.32 for 64-bit PCs
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13:07<SynrG>Italo: as i said earlier, squeeze will be no longer supported in a few months so, no security uploads, etc.
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13:08*Italo SynrG yes right , but this problem is only woth the dvd-cdrom drive, not with hard-disk
13:08<zykotick9>karimo: you might want to try in #debian-kbsd
13:09<karimo>zykotick9: thanks mate
13:09<SynrG>Italo: hmm. well, as i read through that bug, i saw there was an upload only partially fixing the problem, and the bug remains open and unsolved for that kernel.
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13:10<SynrG>Italo: it's unclear to me from my reading of the bug whether a wheezy kernel would fix it or not ... but there are good reasons to move to wheezy anyway.
13:10<SynrG>quite separate from attempting to fix this issue.
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13:11<SynrG>Italo: support ends for you soon. i doubt if pursuing a solution to your problem is a productive use of your time.
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13:11<SynrG>you will need to choose a supported desktop environment that you like
13:12*Italo SynrG ok, I'll move to the wheezy debian, but I must re-format the partition or it's possible up-grade it ? I have a dvd with debian 7.2 I use it on another more powerfull pc
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13:12<SynrG>you can upgrade
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13:12<SynrG>dpkg: oldstable->stable
13:12<dpkg>Read chapter 4 ("Upgrades from Debian 6.0") of the <release notes>. In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>.
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13:13<Italo>interest, so is it possible upgrade distribution nothing re-install entire so ...
13:14<SynrG>if you're on gnome 2 now, you can use gnome classic after you upgrade
13:14<SynrG>you may change that to xfce4 if you wish
13:14<SynrG>or if you intend to go to xfce4 anyway, you might try switching that first, removing all gnome, then going for the upgrade ...
13:15<SynrG>or if that sounds like more work than a reinstall with xfce4, then just reinstall with xfce4
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13:15<SynrG>!install xfce4
13:15<dpkg>To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies» To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install".
13:15*Italo SynrG yes, I installed debian 7.2 on another my pc, but I don't like gnome3 , windows are different and I have a lotta icons between the screen, I prefer classic gnome GUI
13:15<Italo>dpkg: oldstable->stable
13:15<dpkg>Read chapter 4 ("Upgrades from Debian 6.0") of the <release notes>. In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>.
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13:16<SynrG>!tell Italo about message the bot
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13:23*Italo SynrG where is the chapter 4 ?
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13:46<ChunkyMunky>I dont know much linux, but i have a question regarding crontab, i need to get a java app to stop running at a certain time each day. I can run it in crontab on reboot so that i can do. But i dont know how to close an app at exactly 3.59am server time each day as the app is java. and i have 3 different ones running and i only want to close 1 of them.
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13:49<valdyn>ChunkyMunky: see "man start-stop-daemon"
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13:50<valdyn>ChunkyMunky: thats for finding the right one ^
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13:58<noob513>i have used gnome before & bit uncomfortable with KDE now...should i install gnome in my debian KDE version or..I should learn to use KDE..please Advise :-)
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13:59<SynrG>noob513: there is no debian "KDE version". there is just debian. and you can certainly install both gnome and kde side-by-side without any issues.
13:59<valdyn>noob513: you dont have a kde version. Theres only 1 debian
13:59<valdyn>noob513: install and run whatever you like
13:59<valdyn>!install kde
13:59<dpkg>The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install".
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14:00<SynrG>as for "getting comfortable" with a desktop environment, sure, your enjoyment of that DE certainly increases once you figure out how stuff works
14:00<valdyn>noob513: feel free to talk to dpkg, theres remove and install factoids for both kde and gnome
14:00<maxy>noob513: It's a matter of taste, I preffer KDE, disabling nepomuk, and without any kdepim.
14:01<SynrG>gaining proficiency in other DEs helps you to make objective choices between them
14:01<noob513>i used debian-live-7.2-amd64-kde-desktop.iso this version
14:01<SynrG>so by all means, install as many as you like, and give them each an honest chance.
14:02<SynrG>noob513: that's not a "version of debian". it is just debian, with certain packages preinstalled.
14:02<noob513>i am switching to debian after 3 years use of ubuntu...hope you people getting me :-p
14:03<SynrG>noob513: it is more or less (except for the live bits) exactly the same as if you had installed debian, then installed the task-kde-desktop package on it.
14:03<SynrG>and the end result of an install from that should be the same as installing from the standard installer
14:05<SynrG>noob513: ubuntu puts a lot of effort into 'branding' different variants differently (kubuntu, xubuntu, etc.) to make them seem like different things ...
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14:05<noob513>yeah..i am getting this
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14:06<SynrG>but in fact, nothing stops an xubuntu user from installing gnome, or kde, or whatever ...
14:06<SynrG>likewise with debian
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14:09<nocturnal>ever since I installed resolvconf to help with openvpn client it has been clobbering my resolv.conf even when I'm not using openvpn. renewing my dhcp lease fixes it, and shortly after resolvconf clobbers it.
14:09<nocturnal>how can I make them play nice?
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14:09<zykotick9>noob513: while the Live version can be helpful, if you're doing an install i'd suggest using one of the regular install media. further, i'd suggest you use netinst install a "naked" debian, then aptitude/apt-get what you really want. YMMV.
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14:11<nocturnal>I know I can add permanent changes to resolvconf in head, tail files. but I think it should be dynamic since all my networks use dhcp.
14:12<nocturnal>I guess the alternative would be a custom openvpn up/down script, and uninstall resolvconf.
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14:12<noob513>zykotick9 Yeah..I know a chat room is 100 times better than google ..if i am seeking answer..I already installed & using it
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14:13<noob513>I had a problem ..user i created during installed was not logging it a bug or ? i needed to create another account for now
14:14<zykotick9>nocturnal: resolvconf's JOB is to clobber resolv.conf... either set it up properly, or don't use resolvconf and use resolv.conf manually...
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14:14<nocturnal>gee great answer, "set it up properly", of course, why didn't I think of that? ;)
14:15<dondelelcaro>nocturnal: in general, the openvpn script should be registering the nameserver with resolvconf
14:15<dondelelcaro>nocturnal: and it shouldn't be touching /etc/resolv.conf itself. When the VPN goes down again, the other NS should be back
14:16<nocturnal>yes, I'm using the standard openvpn update-resolv-conf script that does precisely that.
14:16<dondelelcaro>nocturnal: ok, so what's the problem, then?
14:16<nocturnal>and I can tell that resolv.conf is being fixed when I shutdown openvpn.
14:16<nocturnal>openvpn has been shutdown for hours now and resolvconf is emptying my resolv.conf, and not using my dhcp DNS
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14:16<nocturnal>I don't know why
14:16<dondelelcaro>nocturnal: is the dhcp DNS server registering it with resolvconf?
14:16<nocturnal>I can't find any logging for resolvconf either
14:17<nocturnal>good question, I wish I knew
14:17<nocturnal>all I can tell is that resolv.conf is being updated by dhclient, but probably not the right way
14:17<valdyn>nocturnal: dhcp is by default not using resolvconf, openvpn is
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14:17<dondelelcaro>nocturnal: you can see whether it has done so or not by looking at /etc/resolvconf/run/interfaces/
14:17<dondelelcaro>valdyn: dhclient by default uses resolvconf if it is installed
14:18<nocturnal>ok, there are no interfaces defined there.
14:18<nocturnal>while openvpn is running tun0 is defined, but right now none.
14:18<dondelelcaro>nocturnal: what dhcp client are you using?
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14:19<dondelelcaro>nocturnal: I don't know what vanilla means, but presumably you mean you're running the ISC dhclient?
14:19<nocturnal>I never actually run dhclient wlan0 myself, except for now in troubleshooting. normally it's set by the iface definition in interfaces
14:19<nocturnal>yes isc probably, I don't know what is vanilla on wheezy
14:19<nocturnal>but vanilla means I didn't replace it
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14:19<dondelelcaro>nocturnal: and do you have /etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/resolvconf?
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14:22<dondelelcaro>nocturnal: ok; what does ps -fu --pid=$(pgrep dhclient); output?
14:22<dondelelcaro>nocturnal: and what does /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.leases give for the active lease?
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14:26<nocturnal>the lease for wlan0 showed the correct dns but I had many dhclient processes running so I killed them all, did ifdown wlan0, ifup wlan0 and now I'm waiting to see if resolvconf will clobber it again.
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14:27<nocturnal>learned a lot about resolvconf and dhclient through this
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14:31<dondelelcaro>nocturnal: ah; yeah, having many dhclient proceses running can cause odd things
14:32<dondelelcaro>nocturnal: no problem
14:32<nocturnal>I suspect it's solved
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14:32<nocturnal>probably openvpn confused things when I kept opening and closing the laptop putting it into hibernate-disk mode earlier today.
14:32<nocturnal>with openvpn running
14:32<nocturnal>I don't know
14:33<dondelelcaro>hrm; that shouldn't cause a problem, but it might be that whatever is managing your network connection isn't properly tearing down all of the dhclient processes
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14:34<turionus>could anyone help with alsa configuration?
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14:38<nocturnal>turionus: if your sound card is supported then debian should do most of it for you, just run alsamixer and make sure nothing is muted or turned down.
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14:43<Italo>I'm upgrading squeezy , thx SynrG
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14:44*Italo SynrG thx for the info to u and the bot
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14:49<dreammakmuss>Hi everyone...
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14:57<turionus>could anyone help with alsa configuration?
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15:02<devil>turionus: be specific please
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15:07<turionus>there is no sound
15:08<turionus>could you guide me to check and set it
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15:12<musca>turionus: please use http// to show the output of: cat /proc/asound/cards
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15:12<devil>turionus: open alsamixer and make sure all relevant things are unmuted and levers pulled up
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15:14<turionus>i did that everything it`s up
15:15<devil>and unmuted?
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15:16<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
15:17<musca>and my special friend, Mr. Sledgehammer says:
15:17<dpkg>In Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" and later releases, <alsaconf> is not available; ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. You can try to configure <ALSA> by running 'alsactl init' as root - ignoring the 'Unknown hardware' error message - then reboot and test your audio device.
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15:22<turionus>be back soon
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15:23<episage>hi guys, i'm struggling with USB 3.0 detection on wheezy. i've already tried /etc/default/grub pci=nomsi, /lib/modprobe.d/aliases.conf softdep ehci-hcd pre: xhci-hcd and adding xhci_hcd to /etc/modules. The 3.0 usb port does not get listed neither in lsmod or lspci.
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15:24<episage>is that the right place to ask this sort of question?
15:24<nocturnal>what if you connect something to it and check lsusb?
15:24<nocturnal>also dmesg
15:24<episage>nocturnal: nothing. even dmesg does not show anything.
15:25<episage>nocturnal: i connected a mouse to usb 3.0 and noticed that its led blinks from time to time
15:26<episage>nocturnal: the port can't be damaged, it worked yesterday
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15:27<valdyn>episage: are you running a custom kernel? do you still have anything different than default configuration?
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15:28<valdyn>episage: usb 3.0 works fine by default... (at least as 2.0 port for your mouse)
15:28<episage>valdyn: stock kernel, latest debian debian installed from netinst from the official webpage, kernek-3.2.0-4-amd64
15:29<coltonu>Does anyone know irc channel for javascript?
15:29<episage>uname -r -> 3.2.0-4-amd64 *
15:29<valdyn>episage: im confused as to what you did, you modified some things even though it worked yesterday without any modification?
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15:30<episage>valdyn: i was messing up with configuration a bit and eventually reinstalled debian a few times. currently im running on a fresh install w/o any modifications
15:31<valdyn>episage: what about the time when it worked?
15:31<nocturnal>coltonu: #web@freenode
15:31<episage>valdyn: just installed virtualbox, chromium and keepass
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15:33<episage>valdyn: well, i think it's sort of random. it worked a few times when i added pci=nomsi to grub.
15:33<valdyn>episage: so its now the exact same as when it worked *except* for those 3 programs?
15:33<blubberdiblub>episage, do you have virtualbox running right now? it can grab USB ports from the host system if the VM is configured to do so
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15:33<episage>blubberdiblub: good point, i will check
15:33<valdyn>i dont think we are dealing with the vm right now, are we?
15:34<episage>blubberdiblub: nope, does not make sense, the usb 3.0 does not even show in lsusb
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15:34<episage>btw xhci does not load automatically. it used to thou
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15:34<valdyn>episage: if you did not run and modprobe and if /etc/modules does not contain xhci, then id like to see your lspci -k and lsusb
15:35<nocturnal>I've noticed some devices not working well in usb 3 ports. random stuff, I usually just switch to the first usb2 port when this happens. and it has never happened on my laptop yet.
15:35<turionus>how to add to 'audio' group
15:35<nocturnal>turionus: sudo usermod -a -G audio turionus
15:35<valdyn>turionus: that group should already exist
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15:35<valdyn>oh, i misread
15:35<blubberdiblub>valdyn, if virtualbox grabs an USB port, the host system can't use it anymore while it's in use by the VM. that's what i was referring to
15:36<valdyn>blubberdiblub: yea
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15:36<valdyn>blubberdiblub: but it ought to see the root hub
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15:36<blubberdiblub>valdyn, indeed, you're right
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15:39<OWNSyouAll>I'm trying to fix lm_sensors giving invalid temp1_max but when I set it in sensors.d/ I get an "Undeclared bus id referenced"
15:39<episage>valdyn: ASMedia is external disk on usb 2.0
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15:43<episage>interestingly enough, the usb 3.0 is avaliable in bios and i can boot from it
15:44<episage>but disappears as soon as reaches GRUB. initramfs?
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15:46<valdyn>episage: its not at all listed in lspci, right
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15:47<valdyn>episage: *I* think you should ask the hw vendor for a fixed bios
15:47<valdyn>episage: though maybe its just switched off in the bios
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15:49<valdyn>episage: but since its easier, maybe some newer kernels actually fix this
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15:51<valdyn>episage: is it possible that your usb3 works only when your laptop is plugged in?
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15:56<episage>valdyn: i have it plugged in most of the time. its not listed in lsusb at all but i remember it used to like this: "Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub". i can try to do a fresh install again and try to see what happens when i install extra stuff more carefuly
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15:59<valdyn>episage: except for a vm i cant imagine any way that a reinstall would make a difference
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16:00<valdyn>episage: linux cannot modify the pci table
16:00<valdyn>episage: grab a random live cd, if you have one, and run lspci there
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16:02<episage>valdyn: kk
16:03<stderr_dk>Did we already see a lsmod?
16:03<stderr_dk>If not, can we?
16:03<valdyn>dont really need lsmod when the device is already not in lspci
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16:05<kampmannpeine>RAID1 - problem: I did some repartitioning and got strange effects ->
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16:06<valdyn>kampmannpeine: what is strange?
16:07<valdyn>kampmannpeine: ( i dont know parted )
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16:07<kampmannpeine>RAID1: moreover I called the installer shell and found /dev/md3 mounted on /target and at the same time mounted on /dev/.static/dev or so
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16:08<valdyn>kampmannpeine: makes no sense, no one mounts at /dev/.static/dev
16:08<turionus>still no sound
16:08<valdyn>kampmannpeine: so what is strange, i see nothing strange in your paste
16:08<kampmannpeine>strange is: although I repartioned /dev/md3 and erased everything it it "unusable"
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16:08<turionus> ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. how to check it?
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16:09<stderr_dk>turionus: How to "see also"?
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16:09<valdyn>turionus: type in your irc client: "/msg dpkg alsa firmware"
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16:10<kampmannpeine>and then I tried to install a kernel (3 different images - the first three) and I got always a dpkg-error 1
16:10<stderr_dk>kampmannpeine: Can we see your /proc/mdstat ?
16:11<valdyn>kampmannpeine: the whole error message could be useful,
16:11<AnDrE>dynamic frequency lowering CPU with grafichekem interface has on human Wheezy
16:11<stderr_dk>I understand most of those words, but I have no idea what you just wrote...
16:12<valdyn>lately i see so many support requests that i cant parse, is it sunday?
16:12<kampmannpeine>raid1: but mount tells me exactly that! /dev/md3 is mounted twice !
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16:13<valdyn>kampmannpeine: do you have a camera for screenshots yet so we can walk you though the installer?
16:13<kampmannpeine>RAID1: you mean skype??
16:14<valdyn>may name is not RAID1
16:14<valdyn>*my* name is not RAID1
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16:14<valdyn>no, i mean a screenshot, not your face
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16:14<kampmannpeine>you mean camera by skype? I have a tablet (samsung gag
16:15<kampmannpeine>*galaxy note*
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16:15<kampmannpeine>btw: my skype is "joergkampmann"
16:16<blubberdiblub>kampmannpeine, mount might not give you the true list of current mounts. try "cat /proc/mounts" instead
16:16<episage>magic... booted from liveUsb -> everything fine. booted now -> everything fine, i can see usb3 in lsusb/lspci and it works...
16:16<stderr_dk><stderr_dk> kampmannpeine: Can we see your /proc/mdstat ?
16:16<episage>valdyn: i guess its a random thing.
16:17<stderr_dk>episage: I would like to see your lsmod when it's working and when it isn't working...
16:17<valdyn>episage: yes, i guess your bios and/or hardware is broken
16:17<valdyn>episage: theres no bug in linux that would randomly skip entries in the pci table
16:17<kampmannpeine>the same!
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16:19<valdyn>kampmannpeine: thats a screenshot
16:19<valdyn>kampmannpeine: i dont care if you create it with your samsumg or whatever
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16:20<AnDrE>Can someone tell me how to lower the CPU clock frequency
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16:21<valdyn>episage: sometimes stuff like this fixes itself if you let your bios redo what it does, like by setting to defaults
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16:21<dpkg>The Linux kernel CPUfreq subsystem supports frequency scaling on mobile (and some desktop) x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It provides an interface for throttling processor speed, to save power when the system is idle. . See also <speedstep>, <coolnquiet>, <longhaul>, <intel_pstate>, <power saving>.
16:21<stderr_dk>Oh no! valdyn has stolen my soul!!!
16:21<kampmannpeine>it says for all partitions: <active raid1 sda(x) sdb(x)> next line: nn blocks super 1.2 [2/2]
16:21<kampmannpeine>so it seems they are goodf+
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16:21<stderr_dk>kampmannpeine: Third and last time I'm going to ask: <stderr_dk> <stderr_dk> kampmannpeine: Can we see your /proc/mdstat ?
16:22<valdyn>stderr_dk: he paraphrased it
16:22<kampmannpeine>that was /proc/mdstat --- what you mean by <stderr_dk> ?
16:23<valdyn>kampmannpeine: we dont want your paraphrasations (sp?), we need complete literal error messages or logs
16:24<kampmannpeine>I understand- however how can I make a screenshot from installer-shell?
16:24<valdyn>kampmannpeine: same way i did it, with your camera
16:24<valdyn>kampmannpeine: smartphone
16:24<valdyn>kampmannpeine: dumbphone with camera, whatever
16:25<stderr_dk>I remember an old bug in one of the installers where you could create a RAID and the installer would start syncing the disks. If that sync wasn't over when you were done installing the system, the installer would let you reboot the machine WITHOUT finishing the RAID sync... I have no idea, if that has been fixed.
16:25<AnDrE><dpkg> AMD A6 does not want to support tried
16:26<kampmannpeine>I made the screenshots via smartphone camera - where to send?
16:26<valdyn>stderr_dk: interesting. Even thouhg i only use raid, i never used the installer to install to raid
16:27<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
16:27<turionus>I need help with no sound through hdmi.
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16:28<stderr_dk>turionus: Thank you!
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16:46<mjrosenb>hahah, picpaste. I'm just imagining someone pasting jpeg data formatted in base64.
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16:50<stderr_dk>mjrosenb: Or using libaa.
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16:51<mjrosenb>stderr_dk: lol, yes.
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16:59<kampmannpeine>screenshot 1: mdstat -
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17:02<kampmannpeine>and here the second one: mountpoints
17:02<valdyn>kampmannpeine: you never make it easy, now i have to turn my screen upside down
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17:03<kampmannpeine>sorry - shall I correct it?
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17:04<valdyn>kampmannpeine: not for me
17:04<AnDrE>need a driver for CPU AMD A6-4400M Deb! Who can throw off the link above where to get
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17:06<valdyn>kampmannpeine: that doubly mounted md3 does not bother me, whats the problem from here on?
17:06<valdyn>kampmannpeine: but that partition scheme is probably bad for you, but thats an entirely seperate issue, lets not deal with that now
17:07<kampmannpeine>i SEE them correct ... using "bildbetrachter" do not know the English name
17:07<valdyn>kampmannpeine: dont worry about it, i can rotate
17:07<kampmannpeine>ok --- <
17:07<valdyn>kampmannpeine: everything is fine, now tell about your problem
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17:08<valdyn>kampmannpeine: and tell us why you are using ext2 at all
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17:09<kampmannpeine>when it comes to install base system it generates an error on the images "linux-image- pae" and also on the first three ones offered to me --- in the dialog.
17:09<kampmannpeine>it says in the shell: dpkg generates error 1
17:10<valdyn>kampmannpeine: go to alt-f4, maybe theres a useful error message
17:10<kampmannpeine>I use ext2 because somebody told me to do so for root-partition ... any suggestion?
17:11<valdyn>kampmannpeine: you should use the default for everything
17:11<dpkg>If you don't know any better, always choose the default.
17:11<stderr_dk>They probably said for the /boot partition...
17:11<valdyn>and even then its stupid
17:12<kampmannpeine>aha, could be - what is the default btw? just in case
17:12<stderr_dk>Not if you have a very small /boot partition and don't want to waste space on a journal.
17:12<valdyn>probably ext4
17:12<kampmannpeine>ok I try again
17:12<valdyn>having a very small /boot will bite you sooner or later
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17:12<valdyn>kampmannpeine: no
17:13<valdyn>kampmannpeine: dont *redo* anything
17:13<kampmannpeine>valdyn: I am learning ;)
17:13<valdyn>kampmannpeine: you can redo the partitioning later
17:13<valdyn>kampmannpeine: i have no idea yet why dpkg failed
17:13<valdyn>kampmannpeine: is there anything at alt-f4 ?
17:13<dotut>hi all, whats the difference between libwebkitgtk-1.0 and libwebkitgtk-3.0? I looked at debian/control and the corresponding .install and .symbols file and they are the same? The only difference is the version of the .so file
17:13<SynrG>in which modern systems do you actually need to worry about the "wasted" space for a journal?
17:14<dotut>both packages come from the same webkit source package
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17:14<SynrG>and when, even with /boot, is it worth the tradeoff in reliability?
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17:14<kampmannpeine>at alt-f4 there is the syslogpage (last page) I can see the syslog at the other terminals (alt-f2 and alt-f3)
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17:15<valdyn>kampmannpeine: well, is there a possibly useful error message?
17:15<kampmannpeine>btw: do you know how to access those files via ?
17:15<valdyn>kampmannpeine: which files?
17:15<kampmannpeine>then it would be much easier for me to document stuff
17:16<valdyn>kampmannpeine: is not a public ip
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17:17<kampmannpeine>I know ... it is local... however with that url I can access those files I generated myself via cat e.g. much more easier
17:17<stderr_dk>kampmannpeine: If you have an ssh-server running, you could log in from another machine on your LAN.
17:17<kampmannpeine>ssh to that URL?
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17:18<SynrG>ip# is not a url
17:18<stderr_dk>It's not a URL... It's an IP-address.
17:18<stderr_dk>But yes.
17:18<kampmannpeine>ip# ok ...
17:18<kampmannpeine>I am familia with that one
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17:20<kampmannpeine>hu : it says "ssh: connect to host port 22: Connection refused" why??
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17:20<stderr_dk><stderr_dk> kampmannpeine: If you have an ssh-server running, ...
17:20<valdyn>kampmannpeine: no ssh server is running on that machine
17:20<kampmannpeine>should I use another port?
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17:21<valdyn>kampmannpeine: why would ssh run on another port?
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17:21<kampmannpeine>How do I start it (sshd)?
17:21<valdyn>kampmannpeine: on what kind of machine?
17:22<stderr_dk>There's a menu point called "continue installation using ssh" or something like that...
17:22<valdyn>oh, the one hes trying to install to
17:22<stderr_dk>That's my guess...
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17:22<kampmannpeine>i give it a try ... oh god!
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17:25<stderr_dk>Oh FSM what?
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17:25<valdyn>i have a feeling he mounted md3 once where he really wanted md1
17:26<valdyn>since md1 isnt used at all
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17:27<kampmannpeine>Now: I found to see the files: use save to debug! excellent - now I see all the files and also those which I generated via cat
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17:27<valdyn>er md2 isnt used at all
17:27<valdyn>stderr_dk: maybe
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17:29<valdyn>kampmannpeine: i would redo this whole thing and use exactly 2 raid devices at most, one of both for swap
17:29<valdyn>kampmannpeine: that might solve everything magically
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17:31<stderr_dk>I would always put /home on it's own partition (or raid-device)
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17:32<kampmannpeine>that with /home is also my intent ... where should I put "swap" or just leave it (I have 2GB Ram)
17:32<valdyn>kampmannpeine: you should have some swap
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17:33<kampmannpeine>and: I mostly switch to "silent state" (Ruhezustand) when leaving the machine in the evening
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17:34<blubberdiblub>that's hibernate or suspend to disk in english
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17:34<kampmannpeine>so I have to do three raid1-partitions or just leave the swap as non-raid
17:35<blubberdiblub>so you'll want at least 2GB of swap
17:35<valdyn>kampmannpeine: swap on raid is better for safety
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17:35<kampmannpeine>hm - then I have 3 partitions and not 2
17:35<valdyn>kampmannpeine: yes
17:36<valdyn>kampmannpeine: you can add more later, many things are easy to change later...
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17:36<kampmannpeine>sounds good
17:36<kampmannpeine>so I will do ... (when does this come to an end????)
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17:37<valdyn>kampmannpeine: i wonder what you are doing - installing is usually the easiest part
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17:38<kampmannpeine>yes, the easiest part --- I think I erase all partitions and start all over!
17:38<valdyn>kampmannpeine: wait
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17:38<kampmannpeine>with fdisk /dev/sd[ab]
17:39<valdyn>kampmannpeine: use "mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sda1" (and for sdb1) before deleting the partitions at least
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17:41<kampmannpeine>??? Ad_m hat ???
17:42<kampmannpeine>ok my fault: ad-
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17:42<valdyn>kampmannpeine: when you delete partitions and raids in the installer, then the installer itself will probably do the right thing
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17:42<kampmannpeine>I hope so too ;)
17:42<valdyn>kampmannpeine: but if you interfer with fdisk and that partition is recreated later, then the raid will also reappear magically
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17:43<kampmannpeine>ok - I do it with mdadm (I assume wh
17:43<ilovemyown>I have got a laptop with an intel 915GM video card, using i915 video module. With squeeze no problem, with wheezy on the contrary, if I try to change the resolution, it creates a small desktop inside the monitor, and the new resolution never fullscreens.
17:43<kampmannpeine>*within the shell*
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17:49<episage>valdyn: sorry, i was drinking with friends, i will up in a sec
17:50<stderr_dk><stderr_dk> episage: I would like to see your lsmod when it's working and when it isn't working...
17:50<kampmannpeine>now next problem: mdadm cannot open the device for write. and I cannot umount the device because it is used by another process <i try lsof>
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17:50<valdyn>kampmannpeine: just reinstall and do partition deletion and creation with the installer
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17:51<kampmannpeine>valdyn: is there anyway to speed up our discussion possibly via skype?
17:51<stderr_dk>kampmannpeine: If you do reinstall, can you select "continue over ssh" as soon as possible?
17:52<stderr_dk>It would make it a lot easier for you to copy/paste stuff...
17:52<kampmannpeine>No it does not have an sshd - daemon
17:52<valdyn>kampmannpeine: im not an expert with the installer, and im not an expert with alot more things. You want many people to see your questions
17:52<ilovemyown>during debian installation, when it comes to setting up wifi, I cannot get it to work with a hidden SSID network, Is there a way to manually configure this from the CLI during the installation process?
17:52<stderr_dk>And we don't have to turn our screens upside down...
17:52<stderr_dk>kampmannpeine: Yes, it does...
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17:56<valdyn>"if necessary, use "pci=nocrs" and report a bug"
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17:57<valdyn>episage: that dmesg was from a startup where usb3 worked?
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17:58<stderr_dk>episage: Do you need USB3 or is USB2 good enough?
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17:58<valdyn>stderr_dk: he already has usb2 and just needs usb2 i think, but one usb3 port is not working
17:59<valdyn>stderr_dk: so maybe this is only about the number of ports, few of which should be usb3
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17:59<valdyn>anyway i can see that he posted a dmesg, where usb3 works
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17:59<stderr_dk>Others have had problems with xhci_hcd, so try unloading it and load the usb2 modules instead.
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17:59<stderr_dk>That's why I would like to see his lsusb....
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18:00<valdyn>stderr_dk: one lsusb is in the tar files he posted
18:00<valdyn>stderr_dk: but that lsusb is from a working bootup
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18:02<valdyn>episage: we have paste sites
18:02<stderr_dk>And sites that gives a proper link, you can wget! ARGH!
18:03<valdyn>stderr_dk: anyway, sometimes he boots up and the pci device is there, sometimes its not
18:03<valdyn>stderr_dk: and the only reason for something like that to happen has nothing to do with linux or debian
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18:04<stderr_dk>Doesn't work...
18:04<dpkg>Test failed.
18:05<kampmannpeine>sorry I wanted to configure my IRC with colors etc
18:05<stderr_dk>Can you do that later? (And please don't use it...)
18:06<kampmannpeine>of course
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18:14<cory786>Does apt-listbugs work with aptitude?
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18:16<cory786>I installed apt-listbugs with the assumption that it would listt all bugs for packages that I want to install or update. I have not found a way to do this though. I watched this video and found that it just integrates itself in with apt-get.
18:16<cory786>Can anyone explain how to properly use it? I skimmed over the man page but it did not help. The example output in the man page does not include the command used that produced the output :(
18:18<valdyn>cory786: apt-listbugs list <packagename>
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18:20<cory786>valdyn, right but is there a way to get an overview of packages before an update?
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18:22<stderr_dk>cory786: I haven't tried, but take a look at "Pre-Install-Pkgs" in apt.conf, that might do the trick.
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18:24<valdyn>stderr_dk: this is correct, but apt-listbugs already installs a hook there by default
18:25<stderr_dk>Ok... But it seems it doesn't work?
18:25<valdyn>stderr_dk: maybe aptitude does not use apt.conf, I wouldnt know
18:25<valdyn>stderr_dk: he is using aptitude is probably the problem
18:26<stderr_dk>Well, it does use /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/* so I would assume it use apt.conf too...
18:27<valdyn>I see
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18:29<blubberdiblub>cory786, Aptitude::CmdLine::Show-Deps "true"; would probably do the trick. it will only query you if it installs additional packages to those you requested, tho
18:30<blubberdiblub>cory786, or maybe Aptitude::Display-Planned-Action "true"; or both
18:32<cory786>blubberdiblub, do I add that to my ~/.aptitude/config?
18:33<cory786>where can if find more information about properly setting up apt-listbugs
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18:34<stderr_dk>Maybe /usr/share/doc/apt-listbugs/README.Debian.gz ?
18:34<blubberdiblub>cory786, .aptitude/config would probably do, tho i don't know what syntax that file expects. i have it in my /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/zzMyName
18:34<cory786>stderr, thanks!
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18:37<cory786>blubberdiblub, what is the zz if front of your name? does aptitude know to read from that? or do I have to set it up?
18:37<stderr_dk>blubberdiblub: "See apt.conf(5) for documentation of the format and contents of these files." Sounds like the same format as apt.conf.d/*
18:38<blubberdiblub>stderr_dk, that would go to cory786, tho ;)
18:38<blubberdiblub>cory786, the zz ensures it comes after all the other files in that directory and thus potentially overrides their settings
18:38<stderr_dk>blubberdiblub: I figured you also wanted to know that it was the same format, since you said you didn't know. :-)
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18:40<blubberdiblub>cory786, and yes, all apt-related tools including aptitude read from /etc/apt/apt.conf and /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/*
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18:40<stderr_dk>And $HOME/.aptitude/config
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18:40<blubberdiblub>for aptitude specifically, yes
18:41<blubberdiblub>(the latter one is empty on my system ;) )
18:41<cory786>blubberdiblub, I am not familar with configuring aptitude and apt. Up untill now I have gotten away with using defaults. Do all apt-related tools read every config file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/*?
18:41<stderr_dk>Yes, you're right... (Mine too)
18:41<blubberdiblub>cory786, yes
18:41<cory786>blubberdiblub, where can I find more documentation on this?
18:42<blubberdiblub>cory786, well, probably with some constraints, tho. i think they skip .bak and ~ files and a couple more
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18:42<blubberdiblub>cory786, "man apt.conf" i guess
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18:42<stderr_dk>cory786: <stderr_dk> blubberdiblub: "See apt.conf(5) for documentation of the format and contents of these files." Sounds like the same format as apt.conf.d/*
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18:44<cory786> I looked in /usr/share/doc for this too. I am not used to packages placing anything important there so I forget to look. I am used to going there for amusement, as most packages that I have used either put everything in man and info pages, and if they place it anywhere else they say so.
18:45<blubberdiblub>cory786, there's also nice aptitude documentation you can install as an extra package. it's also on the net, tho, so you can google for aptitude manual or something along those lines
18:45<stderr_dk>cory786: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/apt.conf
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18:46<cory786>blubberdiblub, thanks! I always forget that debian usually puts docs in different packages from the main ones
18:47<cory786>well I have been running an upgrade with aptitude and it has stopped on a bug listing so it looks like apt-listbugs works out of box with it as well :)
18:48<cory786>it would be nice if the documentation for apt-listbugs explained that it added hooks in for itself for aptitude and apt though
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18:49<stderr_dk>cory786: I agree that the description sounds a bit like you would have to run it yourself.
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18:50<blubberdiblub>cory786, you might be interested in apt-listchanges, too. it works similarly
18:50<cory786>blubberdiblub, already have it :)
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18:51<cory786>I just make the move from testing to sid last week and and trying to keep my system in a running state ;)
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18:55<cory786>when apt-listbugs finds a bug during the upgrade and I choose not to upgrade the package is there away to continue upgrading other packages? should I put a hold on the version of the package until the bug is fixed?
18:57<blubberdiblub>cory786, you can just cancel the upgrade and then deselect the package and restart the upgrade. i suggest using aptitude's TUI for that
18:58<cory786>blubberdiblub, thanks
18:58<blubberdiblub>cory786, putting it on hold is also an option, but you might later forget that you put it on hold ;)
18:58<rryoumaa>what is the command line equivalent?
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19:06<divine>hi all
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19:07<stderr_dk>rryoumaa: If you ask what I think you ask, use "package=" or "package:" instead of just "package". See man aptitude.
19:08<stderr_dk>Or "hold package"/"keep package"...
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19:09<whoami_>i just installed debian but cant watch youtube, what seems to be the problem?
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19:10<stderr_dk>whoami_: No flash? Or are you trying to watch html5 videos?
19:10<stderr_dk>Do you get an error message?
19:10<amphi>whoami_: FWIW, I find the best is to use quvi to get the url and have mplayer play the thing
19:11<whoami_>no filmclip starts in youtube
19:11<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or <adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free implementations.
19:11<valdyn>!adobe flash
19:11<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package . There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on Try «update-flashplugin-nonfree --install» if the installation didn't seem to work or to update the plugin.
19:11<cory786>what is the behavior of aptitude upgrade? I was just digging through the man page for aptitude when I realized there is to upgrade option listed just safe- and full-
19:11<valdyn>whoami_: ^^
19:11<valdyn>cory786: safe- is the same as just upgrade
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19:12<valdyn>cory786: this is just a name change to make the action names more explanatory
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19:12<stderr_dk>full-upgrade used to be dist-upgrade.
19:13<whoami_>no error message i just keeps spinnig as if i hade a slow connection which i dont
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19:13<valdyn>cory786: people used to think that dist-upgrade implied upgrading
19:13<stderr_dk>whoami_: Some times youtube is overloaded (I'm serious)
19:13<valdyn>cory786: from 1 debian release to the next, which is false
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19:14<valdyn>whoami_: you did not tell us yet if this is flash or not?
19:14<whoami_>has never worked for me with debian
19:14*cory786 used to think that too...
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19:14<valdyn>whoami_: you need to install adobe flash, what dpkg told you earlier if you want to view the flash videos
19:15<valdyn>whoami_: gnash useless
19:15<whoami_>aha ok
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19:16<unify>but to download flash you have to activate non-free repositories first right?
19:16<stderr_dk>whoami_: Another solution is youtube-dl to download the video and then use mplayer or avplay or vlc or ...
19:16<devil>unify: contrib
19:16<blubberdiblub>stderr_dk, adobe is probably moving to fast for gnash to have a chance to catch up
19:16<unify>ah ok
19:16<amphi>quvi % mplayer make it all so much easier ;)
19:16<valdyn>whoami_: theres 2 reasonable options for youtube 1) set youtube to html5 video, works for many but not all videos and is somewhat broken or 2) use adobe flash
19:16<stderr_dk>blubberdiblub: But is youtube moving fast too?
19:16<amphi>er, &
19:17<blubberdiblub>stderr_dk, they usually require a new version of flash player from time to time, yes
19:17<valdyn>youtube changed the video player completely, so yes they are moving fast
19:17<stderr_dk>Ok, I use youtube-dl, so I wouldn't know. :-)
19:17<stderr_dk>amphi: youtube-dl -q -o - $URL | avplay -i - or something like that. :-)
19:18<whoami_>what about lightspark then?
19:18<valdyn>whoami_: i told you, you need adobe flash
19:18<valdyn>whoami_: lightspark is not going to do it either, nor is any other free flash replacement
19:18<amphi>stderr_dk: oh, nice, you can pipe from youtube-dl to $MEDIA_PLAYER
19:18<valdyn>whoami_: html5 comes closest
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19:18<whoami_>ok thnx
19:19<valdyn>if your computer is seriously overpowered for youtube, then flash wont even feel slow
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19:19<valdyn>or choppy
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19:20<stderr_dk>whoami_: If you want to avoid non-free and contrib, you should look at the suggestions from amphi and me...
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19:21<cory786>whoami_, you can also use google-chrome. Last I checked that is the only way to get the latest flash.
19:21<valdyn>and html5
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19:21<cory786>because adobe no longer releases updates for Linux
19:21<valdyn>but chrome is equally non-free
19:21<stderr_dk>valdyn: As you said, html5 only works for some of the videos.
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19:22<amphi>it's much nicer not to watch video in a web browser, and use your customary video player, IMHO
19:22<cory786>valdyn, yes :(
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19:22<valdyn>amphi: but you miss out on hd videos I think
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19:23<amphi>valdyn: no, not as far as I can see
19:23<valdyn>how do i get youtube-dl to grab the highest quality available?
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19:23<stderr_dk>It used to be -b, but now it's default.
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19:25<valdyn>wow, works
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19:26<cory786>I did not know about youtube-dl that is cool!
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19:31<cory786>Is there a way to tell if an installed package is from main or non-free?
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19:31<cory786>or when searching for packages?
19:32<stderr_dk>If it says "Filename: pool/main/..." it's from main. :-)
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19:33<amphi>cory786: apt-cache policy foo
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19:34<cory786>amphi, thanks!
19:35<amphi>you're welcome
19:35<ilovemyown>I have got a laptop with an intel 915GM video card, using i915 video module. With squeeze no problem, with wheezy on the contrary, if I try to change the resolution, it creates a small desktop inside the monitor, and the new resolution never fullscreens.
19:35<stderr_dk>apt-cache policy google-chrome-stable -> "stable/main" Hmm... :-(
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19:35<stderr_dk>Stupid Google...
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19:36<cory786>stderr, I see that youtube-dl is in main as well. Is it supposed to be?
19:37<amphi>cory786: yes
19:37<stderr_dk>I don't get my youtube-dl from Debian.
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19:38<stderr_dk>It's not in my "main" and I don't use "contrib" or "non-free".
19:39<amphi>stderr_dk: it's in main here, on testing
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19:39<stderr_dk>judd: v youtube-dl
19:39<judd>Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 2013.11.11-2; sid: 2013.11.11-2
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20:20<cory786>does anyone know where this is defined? * Emacs runs debian-startup and sets debian-emacs-flavor.
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20:21<cory786>it is from the README.debian.gz found in /usr/share/doc/emacs24-common/
20:22<cory786>my site-run-file is set to site-start by default and I do not know where that is defined
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20:27<cory786>nm, I asked in #emacs :)
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20:36<episage>valdyn: yes, that was from startup when usb 3 worked
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20:37<episage>valdyn: it works flawlessly on m$ windowz (after i install Fresco drivers ofc)
20:41<episage>valdyn: i will do another reboot and see what happens
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20:41<episage>valdyn: i saw somebody else on the Internet having similar problem at random
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20:45<episage>valdyn: i rebooted and it appears that i uneccesairly added pci=nomsi to GRUB config
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20:46<episage>valdyn: if i don't return here it will mean that it was the case
20:46<episage>valdyn: thanks for support
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20:46<ilovemyown>I have got a laptop with an intel 915GM video card, using i915 video module. With squeeze no problem, with wheezy on the contrary, if I try to change the resolution, it creates a small desktop inside the monitor, and the new resolution never fullscreens. what solution?
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20:49<zoevkl>I'm on debian 7.20 with gnome and my microphone (built-in laptop) is not working but if I connect my headphones on the mic port the built in microphone starts working
20:49<sasha>how can i make my esata external automount on boot?
20:49<zoevkl>2 days ago was working (but I had to reinstall debian today)
20:49<stderr_dk>sasha: Add it to your /etc/fstab
20:49<sasha>stderr, sweet thx
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20:50<aidalgol>I just rebooted and my BIOS hiccuped and wiped the date on the system clock. How do I force ntpd to resync with the server?
20:50<amphi>zoevkl: did you check that it's not muted?
20:50<stderr_dk>sasha: No problem.
20:50<stderr_dk>aidalgol: It should do that by itself.
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20:50<aidalgol>Er, never mind. It seems to have done that now.
20:51<aidalgol>stderr_dk: It took a few minutes, though.
20:51<zoevkl>it's not muted on gnome sounds settings and it does not seems to be muted on alsamixer
20:51<stderr_dk>But if your clock is "too far off", it won't update the clock. (It would assume the other server is wrong.)
20:51<aidalgol>It was off by ~13 hours.
20:52<stderr_dk>Was the minutes correct?
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20:52<aidalgol>It was a couple minutes ahead.
20:53<stderr_dk>Ok, I was just wondering if it could be a weird timezone problem.
20:53<linuxtubers>time zone what you guys on about in nz
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20:53<stderr_dk>I'm surprised ntpd would adjust a clock that's off by 13 hours.
20:53<aidalgol>I've had this machine over 5 years and this has only happened two or three times.
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20:54<sasha>isn't it risky to edit fstab, isn't there an easy way?
20:54<stderr_dk>linuxtubers: TZ=Pacific/Auckland date
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20:54<Italo>hello all
20:55<zoevkl>hello italo
20:55<aidalgol>stderr_dk: Anyway, thanks!
20:55<stderr_dk>sasha: Just don't change any of the lines already there. When done, try running "mount /path/to/the/mountpoint", if that works, you should be fine. If not, restore the backup of your fstab (you did make one, right?)
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20:56<Italo>one question, I now installed wheezy , and in the repository wasn't the link deb wheezy main
20:56<Italo>so I was stoke from this lose , now I add it at hand
20:57<stderr_dk> is in Germany. Doesn't Italy have its own local mirror?
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20:57*Italo stderr_dk leave italy, in italy all is strange
20:58<stderr_dk>I'm not in Italy, but it looks like you are.
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20:58<Italo>yes, I from there
20:58<stderr_dk>Hence why I wondered why you're using a mirror in Germany.
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20:59*Italo stderr_dk why ? what is the difference ?
21:00<stderr_dk>A local mirror is closer to you and could therefore be faster.
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21:00<Italo>stderr_dk, naa I have only a adsl-line at 300kb/sec , don't important the download speed
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21:01<Italo>I'm too much far from the phone central, and here we're in preistoric technology
21:01<stderr_dk>I think a couple of the mirrors prefer users from their own country. There's a reason Debian has all those mirrors all over.
21:01<sasha>stderr_dk, cool, thx
21:02*Italo stderr_dk but the files are the same ?
21:02<Italo>however yes, in italy are two mirrors
21:02<stderr_dk>sasha: I assume you know the name of the device, where you want to mount it and the filesystem type.
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21:03<stderr_dk>Italo: The files should be the same.
21:03*Italo stderr_dk should...
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21:04<Italo>however I don't like gnome3 , bad idea to create it, I use gnome2 more intuitive nothing a lotta of icons
21:04<stderr_dk>Italo: Yes, some times the German mirror is busy serving files to some user in Italy, so the Italian mirrors can't get through and update their mirrors. :-)
21:04<Italo>debian number 1
21:05*Italo stderr_dk there are a lag in updating italians mirrors?
21:06<Italo>do u use danmark mirros ?
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21:06<stderr_dk>It was a joke. I don't know where the Italian mirrors update from.
21:06<stderr_dk>Yes, of course.
21:06<Italo>:-/ thx for to joke
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21:07<Italo>in past I used the canadian mirror
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21:08<stderr_dk>Italo: Take a look at netselect-apt. It should find the closest/fastest mirror for you.
21:08<Italo>really my question was about the reposity deb wheezy main ; by default wheezy don't contain they ; and I was surprised
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21:09<stderr_dk>As I said, that mirror is in Germany. For a user in Italy I would expect to be used instead.
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21:10<Italo>leave , u didn't understand me
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21:10<stderr_dk>Doing the installation, you select where you're located. The list of mirrors you get to choose from later shows the local mirrors.
21:11<Italo>Doing installation I wasn't not connect to the net 'cause the pppoe don't exist in this menu
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21:12<stderr_dk>So you didn't get to pick a mirror at all. I see...
21:12<Italo>I use classic adsl modem, not a privite lan with nat
21:12<Italo>I hate micro-waves
21:12<stderr_dk>Yes, in that case, you would probably have to add it yourself.
21:12<sasha>stderr_dk, yeah
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21:13<stderr_dk>sasha: Great... And since you haven't asked any further questions, I assume it all worked out. :-)
21:14<sasha>stderr_dk, I haven't done it yet, I have a disk resize in progress, 40min, then I will try to add it so it is automounted. But thing is if it is unplugged, it will still be in fstab?
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21:15<Italo> ; changed :-D
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21:16<stderr_dk>sasha: Yes, and your computer will probably complain about the missing device... You could use "noauto" (or maybe "noauto,user") instead of "default". Then it won't auto-mount, but (if you use "noauto,user") your normal user can mount it when needed.
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21:17*Italo stderr_dk I don't trust italy , u don't know this country ; maybe the .it debian team is ok
21:17<stderr_dk>sasha: I.e. "/dev/sdc /mnt/android vfat noauto,user 0 0"
21:18<sasha>stderr_dk, cool, thx
21:19*Italo stderr_dk 2> hoever thx for u joke :-)
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21:20<stderr_dk>Italo: Not all mirrors are run by "the Debian team"... Some (probably most) mirrors are sponsored and run by others.
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21:20*Italo stderr_dk so my sopposes was good
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21:22<stderr_dk>Italo: Well, do you trust the people running the German mirror? :-) Anyway, the packages are signed, so it probably doesn't matter much who's running the mirror.
21:23*Italo stderr_dk yes, they are signed
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21:25<slbtc>Is there a gnewsense server channel on here?
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21:25<disparaissant>so here's a weeeeeeird thing i just noticed. my clock (openbox/tint2) has stopped at 8:11 PM. earlier, it stopped at 1:11 PM. what the heck is up with THAT?
21:25<dpkg>gNewSense GNU/Linux is an operating system based on <Ubuntu>, without most non-free software/firmware/binary-only blobs, but with <GFDL>-licensed documentation. #gnewsense on
21:25<stderr_dk>slbtc: ^^^
21:25<heckman>I love how people join random-ass IRC channels looking for another... :|
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21:26<stderr_dk>heckman: Some distros just copy the IRC-config from other distros...
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21:28<abrotman>at least he was nice enojugh to ask for a redirect instead of just asking
21:31<stderr_dk>Uh, dpkg has a !whoami :-)
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21:33<stderr_dk>disparaissant: The rest of your clocks are working fine, right? It's just the desktop clock that stops?
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21:34<disparaissant>at 11 after. which is super weird.
21:34<disparaissant>unrelated: anyone know a good gtk frontend for mpd that has scrobbling?
21:35<disparaissant>also lightweight.
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21:37<nadir>Mhh... if it is a frontend it should use mpd's settings for, or not?
21:37<stderr_dk>apt-cache search gtk mpd lists a couple.
21:38<stderr_dk>I have no idea if they're "good".
21:38<nadir>apt-cache search gtk mpd lists a couple, ... duh, the very first one supports via plugins
21:38<disparaissant>thx. just was wondering if anyone had experience with any of them is all!
21:39<nadir>sorry, no. I only wondered if that isn't handled by mpd itself, not by the gui-frontend
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21:43<stderr_dk>mpdcron - add scrobbler, rating, play counts and other functionalities to MPD
21:43<stderr_dk>But that's not a front-end at all...
21:43<disparaissant>that would work rather well actually, thanks
21:44<stderr_dk>Or "mpdscribble - reporting client for mpd"
21:44<disparaissant>this computer is ancient so im trying to be as light as possible.
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21:59<Italo>apt-get build-dep nmap ; this command return error , but nmap is in reposity
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22:01<Italo>with squeezy this command go
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22:09<nadir>Italo: what is the error? Your sources list, etc. Try pastebinit
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22:24<uso>the upgrade to wheezy automatically installed pulse for me, now alsamixer has no more hardware devices, only a pulseaudio "device" and pulseaudio only has a dummy output
22:24<uso>how do I get my hardware devices back?
22:25<uso>the modules seem to be loaded correctly (snd_hda_intel and others), though there may be something missing
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23:37<nadir1>I am looking for a solution to stream music, and light on resources. I tried: xmms2d -i 'tcp://' . If i now use an xmms2 gui client and add said IP:Port, it starts to play on the remote
23:38<nadir1>which is not what i want
23:39<nadir1>I also looked at zeya. That worked, but used to much resources.
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23:51<wesleyem>How do I list the size of a directory from the command line?
23:51<wesleyem>maybe a dumb question
23:51<wesleyem>may be*
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23:52<zykotick9>wesleyem: try "du -sh /path/to/dir"
23:52<wesleyem>awesome thanks!
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