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03:30<jgeek>hello all
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03:43<toky>i need help with debian wheezy.
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03:44<jgeek>toky: ?
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03:45<toky>I've just instal Debian
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03:46<toky>in french version, and it says after reboot "screen unknown".
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03:49<jgeek>toky: were u able to reboot it ?
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03:51<toky>i use an other screen, and it run exactly, but when i use my original screen, it says screen unknown (sorry but i'm not very well in english)
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03:53<jgeek>try installing xrandr
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03:54<toky>i've just try xrandr but nothing change.
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03:55<jgeek>I think you should do some work on it.
03:55<jgeek>you may try arandr which is gui
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04:03<greenit>hi, is it possible to automate updates?
04:04<jgeek>use cron-apt tool
04:05<SamB>there was also one that's good for installing, say, just security updates
04:05<Maulkin>!auto update
04:05<dpkg>Various updaters and notifiers are available within Debian that will tell you when new packages are available and optionally download and install them for you. For unattended, scriptable updates using cron, have a look at <cron-apt>. For desktop notification, try update-notifier or ask me about <apt-watch>.
04:05<Maulkin>That too
04:06<SamB>,v unattended-upgrades
04:06<judd>Package: unattended-upgrades on i386 -- squeeze: 0.62.2; wheezy: 0.79.5; jessie: 0.80~sid2; sid: 0.80~sid2
04:06<SamB>,info unattended-upgrades
04:06<judd>Package unattended-upgrades (admin, optional) in wheezy/i386: automatic installation of security upgrades. Version: 0.79.5; Size: 48.0k; Installed: 319k
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04:07<jgeek>judd: off the topic, is Jessie stable ?
04:08<greenit>isn't judd a bot?
04:08<jgeek>haha yeah, it seems
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04:13<greenit>one more question: it seems like the software-center is not usable right now... can i fix it somehow? it only shows up, the loading-circle loads infinitely and when i close it it's still open and uses pretty much cpu/ram...
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04:21<jgeek>greenit: pkill -9 software-center
04:21<greenit>jgeek, i know how to kill it, but i want it to work. :)
04:22<jgeek>reopen it once it stops running.
04:23<jgeek>greenit: have you ever opened that before ?
04:26<greenit>jgeek, i opened it yesterday and today, it doesn't work :( it always shows the three buttons at top (browse, installed, history) and the loading-circle in the middle
04:26<greenit>it didn't work since i installed it
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04:30<jgeek>greenit: what's ur debian version ?
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04:33<jgeek>greenit: why don't you use synaptic for debian ?
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05:04<kcchouette>Hello, my wifi is desactivate with the new version of the kernel. I'm on debian testing. How can I activate it ?
05:06<devil>kcchouette: what is your device?
05:06<devil>lapci -nn will tell you
05:06<devil>lspci - <==
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05:07<kcchouette>devil: 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Qualcomm Atheros AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter [168c:0032] (rev 01)
05:07<kcchouette>(I think)
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05:10<devil>that device was always working out of the box due to integration in the kernel
05:11<devil>I have no knowledge of that changing in any way.
05:11<devil>and what is 'the new version of the kerne'?
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05:13<kcchouette>devil: If I use Linux kernel 3.10, my wifi works
05:14<kcchouette>but if I use the last version of Linux Kernel (3.11.2), my wifi is desactivated
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05:16<devil>you could try 3.12
05:16<kcchouette>It's not on debian testing
05:16<devil>i heard no complaints so far
05:16<devil>it should be in experimental
05:16<kcchouette>I ask at #debian-kernel
05:17<devil>did you check bug reports
05:17<kcchouette>no at all
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05:36<turionus>i need help with no sound via HDMI
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05:37<turionus>via jack it works
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05:48<turionus>i need help with no sound via HDMI
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06:20<turionus>devil? this link doesn`t help me
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06:21<SynrG>you didn't give us any details about your problem
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06:21<turionus>i have no sound via HDMI
06:21<turionus>ask me please for more detalis what you need to know
06:22<turionus>to solve the problem
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06:23<SynrG>are you using GNOME? pulseaudio?
06:23<turionus>xfce /alsa
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06:24<SynrG>do you have ~/.asoundrc ?
06:24<turionus>no, i don`t think so
06:25<turionus>should i create it?
06:25<SynrG>ah . Jessie is supported in #debian-next
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06:26<SynrG>no, not yet. still collecting info
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06:28<SynrG>!default alsa
06:28<dpkg>Use the /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc configuration files to set your default sound card. See for more information.
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06:30<SynrG>aplay -L
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06:32<SynrG>when you tried, how did you select HDMI?
06:33<turionus>i didn`t select it
06:34<SynrG>then you are probably using card 0 by default. see the above factoid about changing the default
06:34<turionus>yes that right
06:35<turionus>i`m working on it
06:38<turionus>creating /etc/asound.conf is enough or should i create ~/.asoundrc also?
06:38<turionus>is asound.conf for all users?
06:39<turionus>yes to which question? ;)
06:39<SynrG>the last
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06:39<SynrG>on a tablet. don'tbm
06:39<SynrG>make me type much
06:40<turionus>should i reboot the system after this changes?
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06:48<turionus>it`s being annoying. still nothing after creating asound.conf
06:49<turionus>but i see something strange in alsamixer
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06:50<turionus>in Card: HD-Audio Generic i have only s/pdif volume
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06:51<SynrG>alsamixer -c1
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06:55<SynrG>wait … switching systems to type less tersely
06:56<SynrG>also, it helps to get out of bed and make coffee before starting to help people ;)
06:57<SynrG>so, in alsamixer -c1 you're only seeing s/pdif volume? or something else?
06:57<SynrG>show us the output of amixer -c1
07:00<turionus>good coffe isn`t bad
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07:02<SynrG>yeah. home roasted. i'm just measuring into the grinder
07:03<SynrG>uh, and /proc/asound/cards
07:04<SynrG>so that resembles our aplay -L output, good
07:04<SynrG>i dunno
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07:04<SynrG>doesn't look like there's much there to control
07:04<SynrG>HDMI is just a toggle?
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07:06<SynrG>i.e. no volume control
07:06<SynrG>i guess that's on the TV itself
07:06<SynrG>as per the article devil linked, did you make sure the TV input source is from HDMI?
07:07<SynrG>that would be located in the TV menu itself
07:07<turionus>it`s ok because i have windows 7 here also and it is working properly
07:07<SynrG>you said jessie. "uname -r"
07:07<turionus>i`ll check one thing w8
07:08<SynrG>also, you could try "aplay -v" with some test wav file
07:08<SynrG>aplay -v /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
07:08<SynrG>this will tell you what device it is sent to
07:11<SynrG>hey, i just realized i asked for aplay -L
07:11<SynrG>you didn't give me that. you gave me aplay -l
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07:12<SynrG>you could also try to specify the device to send to with aplay -D
07:12<turionus>slowly :)
07:12<SynrG>if-and-when you have that working, double-check /etc/asound.conf
07:13<SynrG>oh, you don't like it when i type fast, finally? :)
07:13<turionus>i`m glad that you have so much ideas to work it out
07:13<SynrG>i have to type a bunch now because for a while (making coffee) will be silent.
07:13<SynrG>you can work on each, one at a time.
07:14<SynrG>hand-grinding with the zassenhaus box mill takes a while ...
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07:18<SynrG>i don't think you can aplay directly to hdmi. hmm
07:19<SynrG>i think this just carries sound component of a video signal sent to the device
07:19<turionus>i change device 1 to Generic
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07:20<SynrG>at least, if i try aplay -D hdmi /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav ...
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07:20<SynrG>aplay: main:682: audio open error: No such file or directory
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07:21<turionus>i have this same error
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07:22<turionus>maybe i put in my PCI card back
07:23<SynrG>try this instead:
07:23<SynrG>aplay -D plughw:1,3 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
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07:24<turionus>it`s ok but still no sound
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07:36<turionus>SynrG ? ;)
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07:41<semente>hello guys! to /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90gpg-agent work I have to explicitly source ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent-info-$(hostname)??
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07:48<turionus>SynrG ? i check on my LG TV and it`s this same. something is wrong with HDMI settings
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07:48<SynrG>coffee and breakfast break, sorry
07:48<SynrG>out of ideas. did you give "uname -r"?
07:48<turionus>bon appetit
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07:49<SynrG>ok, so on latest available kernel
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07:49<turionus>it shouldn`t be any problem i think
07:49<SynrG>turionus: i know a bit about alsa in general but have not attempted to use HDMI
07:50<SynrG>this is one of the resources i found:
07:50<SynrG>there may be something else in there i've overlooked ...
07:50<SynrG>(and of course that doc is for Arch, not debian ...)
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08:00<turionus>do you think that installing ATI drivers could help here?
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08:02<SynrG>turionus: it doesn't report as ATI ...
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08:02<SynrG>lspci -nn | grep -i audio
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08:11<lechevalier>i can use thunderbird on ubuntu 13.04
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08:11<SynrG>!ubuntuirc lechevalier
08:11<dpkg>lechevalier: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
08:11<Maulkin>lechevalier: Don't know - ask ubuntu
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08:16<SynrG>yours is a northern islands card ...
08:17<SynrG>"As of 2013-09-20, the driver does not support HDMI Audio for Central Islands cards." wtf is Central Islands? it's not even listed here:
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08:19<turionus>22 Requires loading radeon with the audio parameter set to 1 (e.g., add on the kernel command line in grub)
08:19<turionus>how to
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08:19<SynrG>just edit boot parameters at boot
08:19<SynrG>and append that
08:20<SynrG>if that works, save it in /etc/default/grub and then update-grub
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08:22<devil>SynrG: turionus: I think, hdmi-audio is supported for those cards with 3.13
08:22<turionus>i think this same devil
08:22<SynrG>northern islands?
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08:23<turionus>yes because it uses Barts
08:23<devil>SynrG: all kind of islands, from what I read, it is the full Hawaii series
08:23<SynrG>maybe get it from upstream and build and try?
08:24<devil>but I know less than nothing about radeon cards
08:24<SynrG>i think this is better than trying ATI drivers
08:24<devil>SynrG: code is there, should be woth a try
08:24<devil>worth even
08:24<SynrG>turionus: if you're trying that, this is definitely a topic for #debian-next though
08:25<SynrG>(i'm there as well)
08:25<SynrG>and so is devil ...
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08:26<turionus>so ATI drivers?
08:27<devil>well, we suggest to build kernel 3.13
08:27<devil>should work there ootb
08:29<turionus>it takes a lot of time is there already .deb kernel?
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08:29<SynrG>can we take this to #debian-next please?
08:29<SynrG>we're all there anyway :)
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09:01<szymek>hi all
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09:10<user>hey i have a question
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09:21<xd>how do you change password of user accounts in wheezy xfce?
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09:23<SynrG>xd: in a gui way? no idea. but you can just say 'passwd username' as root
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09:24<xd>SynrG : worked ! tons of thanks, again.
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09:39<SynrG>i'm trying to troubleshoot very slow nfs and notice a number of issues in dmesg on the server
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09:41<SynrG>first, i'm booting with noapic. i don't recall why i have that set up here. that may be left over from lenny days or so
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09:42<SynrG>second, at line 761 and following, the "hard LOCKUP on cpu 1" ... related? or something else
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09:42<SynrG>third, at line 783: [ 233.191228] NFSD: failed to write recovery record (err -17); please check that /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery exists and is writeable
09:43<SynrG>well, yes, /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery/ exists and is writable by root.
09:43<SynrG>/var is not on a separate partition or anything like that
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09:44<jalalsfs>When I run this command "uname -a" It shows this line "Linux debian 3.11-2-486 #1 Debian 3.11.8-1 (2013-11-13) i686 GNU/Linux" Which of these of there kernel? I want to know the kernel version.
09:44<divine>just testing irrsi setup
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09:46<dario`>jalalsfs: man uname, it says "uname -v" shows the kernel version
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09:48<jalalsfs>dario`, Is there any other way to know the kernel version in debian?
09:48<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, mainline 3: 3.13-rc1, stable 3.12: 3.12.1, stable 3.11: 3.11.9, stable 3.9: 3.9.11 (EOL), longterm 3.10: 3.10.20, longterm 3.4: 3.4.70, longterm 3.2: 3.2.52, longterm 3.0: 3.0.101 (EOL), longterm 2.6.34:, longterm 2.6.32:, linux-next: next-20131122
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09:56<dario`>jalalsfs: what other way do you need? you could check the debian package versions..
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10:02<jalalsfs>dario`, The packages are complicated as well.
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10:12<SynrG>stumbling in the dark here a bit. the hard lockup could be for any number of reasons. i don't even know if that's related to my nfs woes or a separate issue.
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10:13<SynrG>i need some guidance with narrowing down the root cause of nfs clients being unusably slow.
10:14<SynrG>the server system is wheezy. the clients are sid. i'm assuming the fault lies in the server with all this crap going on in dmesg.
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10:33<SynrG>bbiaf, going to dump the vbox modules which i don't need. afaik noapci was there to attempt to *solve* my lockup issue ...
10:33<SynrG>noapic, i mean
10:33<SynrG>it shouldn't cause lockups
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11:18<michele_>anyone here?
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11:22<SynrG>some more details about my poor NFSv4 problem. after removal of unused virtualbox modules so kernel is no longer tainted, and a reboot of the server, i login with the client system and try my poor performance real world test case: login to the client node which has NFS on /home and start chromium, then visit a very "busy" web page on chromium ( on the same system if i login with a user that does not have /home on NFS the ...
11:22<SynrG>... page is displayed in a reasonable amount of time.
11:22<SynrG>on the account with home on NFS, it takes minutes to load, with most of the time spent in "Waiting for cache..."
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11:24<SynrG>there is only this message relating to NFS in dmesg, but this is 15 minutes after booting, not during my test:
11:24<SynrG>[ 910.302735] NFSD: failed to write recovery record (err -17); please check that /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery exists and is writeable
11:24<SynrG>as i said before, /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery does exist, and is writable by root
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11:27<SynrG>i am using the 'sync' option in /etc/exports ... i know the man page warns about "significant performance cost", but this is crazy
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11:31<unify>Anyone on, I have a bit of a problem with my setup
11:33<diederik>SynrG: I know nothing about NFS, but maybe it needs to be writable by someone else but root?
11:33<musca>unify: you need to tell us the dirty details
11:33<unify>hehe, thought as much
11:34<unify>OK, well I can't suspend my pc
11:34<unify>It crashes the thing on some kind of scsi error
11:34<unify>I've only installed debian for about a week, so I'm no expert
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11:35<unify>I did however fix a broken grub loader twice and installed the drivers for ATI
11:35<diederik>unify: do you have swap and is it as large as the amount of RAM you have?
11:35<SynrG>diederik: there are recently written directories in there all owned by root:root
11:36<unify>Wait, let me check
11:37<SynrG>diederik: hmm. the parent directory, /var/lib/nfs, is owned by statd:nogroup however
11:37<diederik>SynrG: seems to be sth to explore further
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11:38<unify>That might be the problem, my swap is about 800mb while RAM is about 1gb
11:38<unify>But I can't check the RAM, I don't know the command for it xD
11:38<SynrG>diederik: the postinst for nfs-common only sets statd ownership on selected directories. v4recovery is not one of them
11:39<musca>unify: free -h
11:39<diederik>unify: that will likely be enough, since the image file gets compressed, but it won't hurt to make it larger (unless you're really tight on hdd space)
11:39<SynrG>diederik: rpc.statd runs as user 'statd' but other rpc.* processes run as root
11:40<unify>OK, so I'll check the partitions later
11:40<unify>What else, you need the error number?
11:41<diederik>SynrG: like I said "I know nothing about NFS" ;-) Just hoping to give some (general) pointers
11:41<SynrG>on the off chance sync matters, i've removed that option both at the server and client
11:41<unify>first line: exception Emask 0x0 SAct SErr 0x0 action 0x0
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11:41<unify>second: failed command: STANDBY IMMEDIATE
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11:42<diederik>unify: use a pastebin to put output/error msgs
11:42<unify>Ah, can I get those from the kernel directly?
11:42<unify>It was a previous crash
11:42<diederik>the package 'pastebinit' is rather useful
11:43<unify>I'll go install that then
11:44<diederik>and it's always usefull to put the exact error msg into a search engine
11:44<unify>That was the first thing I did
11:45<unify>but error 134217730 didn't give anything
11:45<SynrG>diederik: that made a huge difference to page load time. guess i'm just not using 'sync' anymore :)
11:45<unify>something about a scsi 0x8000002
11:45<diederik>SynrG: nice :)
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11:46<unify>So is it possible to output/save kernel message of a crash?
11:46<unify>I only know of dmesg
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11:47<unify>and that only works from the current boot
11:47<dpkg>methinks sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-[Key]. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try [Key] with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See and . See also <sysrqd>.
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11:47<diederik>unify: does give some results ... pointing to hdd (hardware) issues
11:48<unify>action is 0x0 not 0x6
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11:49<unify>But yeah, harddrive seems to be a part of the problem
11:49<unify>device 1:0:1:0 failed to suspend
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11:50<unify>also, thanks for the info on sysrq btw
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11:53<diederik>unify: have you run smartctl on the drive?
11:53<unify>REISUB on crash then?
11:53<unify>nope, what is that?
11:53<unify>Wait, that has to do with the SMART status?
11:53<unify>Yeah, the drive is fine last I checked
11:53<diederik>it's a utility to test your hdd health, indeed through SMART
11:54<unify>But I'll run it anyway
11:54<SynrG>hmm. still didn't solve the v4recovery issue, but ... aside from an annoying message in the log, no idea what the end-user impact is
11:54<unify>smartctl is not part of debian?
11:54<SynrG>it is
11:54<SynrG>smartmontools package
11:55<unify>ah thanks
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11:55<SynrG>it's just not installed by default
11:55<unify>how do I find these packages when I know what's in them?
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11:55<unify>some apt-get command maybe?
11:55<SynrG>unify: apt-file search smartctl
11:55<unify>ah, ok
11:55<SynrG>unify: install apt-file first. periodically update with apt-file update
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11:57<SynrG>i'm not sure having /home on nfs is worth the hassle. maybe i should investigate syncing home dirs between client systems some other way
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12:00<unify>So, the smartctl output:
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12:01<diederik>SynrG: maybe using owncloud and python-owncloud :-P
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12:02<unify>So my drive is definitely not completely healthy xD
12:02<unify>But is that directly the problem of the suspend erro?
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12:05<SynrG>diederik: that's one possibility
12:05<Imran>Every one dance with me .
12:06<SynrG>,v owncloud
12:06<judd>Package: owncloud on i386 -- jessie: 5.0.13+dfsg-1; sid: 5.0.13+dfsg-2; experimental: 6.0.0~beta5+dfsg-1
12:06<SynrG>diederik: except for the lack of a wheezy backport :p
12:06<diederik>SynrG: afaik they're working on it
12:06<Imran>Why ?
12:07<SynrG>Imran: do you have a debian support question?
12:07<SynrG>diederik: cool
12:07<unify>diederik and SynrG, could you please check the smart status and see if that is the problem?
12:07<Imran>I don't know
12:08<Imran>All is well ,
12:09<SynrG>Imran: maybe #moocows instead, then? this channel is for debian support, not social chatter.
12:09<diederik>disclaimer about python-owncloud: I'm involved in that ;-)
12:09<SynrG>diederik: i appreciate the pointer. increasingly we have devices in the househould that might use it
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12:09<SynrG>an android phone, tablet, two ipods
12:10<Imran>Sorry .
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12:11<SynrG>unify: run a self-test
12:11<unify>During startup?
12:11<Imran>I want to know about Digital signature
12:11<unify>or the BIOS version?
12:11<SynrG>unify: the messages there say how
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12:11<SynrG>No self-tests have been logged. [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]
12:11<unify>oh ok
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12:11<SynrG>unify: you can run short first.
12:12<SynrG>unify: if that comes out clean, then run long (you will have to wait a long time)
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12:15<Imran>I don't know about debian ;
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12:15<SynrG>unify: that's an incredibly old drive ...
12:15<unify>yeah it is
12:15<unify>and its still running
12:15<SynrG>Imran: do you run a debian system? if so, what is your question about "Digital signature"?
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12:16<SynrG>unify: the logged errors from that report you pasted were from very early in the drive's life.
12:16<SynrG>unify: i don't think they're relevant.
12:16<unify>Ah, ok
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12:16<unify>Thanks for the headsup :)
12:16<SynrG>unify: running the self-tests will tell us more
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12:16<unify>How do I output the info?
12:16<unify>I did the self-test short version already
12:17<SynrG>yes. you wait until the self-test is finished and just run smartctl again to display output
12:18<SynrG>unify: it told you how many minutes it would take. has that much time elapsed?
12:18<unify>yeah 1 minute
12:18<Imran>I am waiting for your ans.
12:18<unify>I got the info here:
12:19<SynrG>Imran: you haven't asked a specific question ... debian is ... does that help?
12:19<unify>I think he needs help using the OS
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12:20<Imran>What shuold I do ?
12:20<SynrG>Imran: have a sandwich? how should i know. what do you want to accomplish?
12:20<unify>Imran: linux is learn it yourself, so try to find information about the operating system and learn how to do things
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12:21<unify>If you don't have a specific question, people won't help you
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12:22<unify>Which brings me to my next question: is that report useful, I didn't see any information added
12:22<SynrG>Imran: i asked if you run debian. do you? you said you didn't know about Debian. i showed you the web site. did that help you understand?
12:23<SynrG>Imran: debian is an operating system. we support it here. other questions are not appropriate for this channel.
12:23<Imran>Which question is specific question ?
12:23<unify>oops, wrong drive
12:23<SynrG>unify: once you get the right drive ... if nothing is added, run the long test
12:24<SynrG>unify: and after that is done (many minutes to finish) then check it again
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12:24<unify>and thanks for sticking with me xD
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12:25<SynrG>Imran: do you find English difficult?
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12:26<SynrG>Imran: are you here for help with Debian?
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12:27<SynrG>Imran: maybe #debian-in could help better?
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12:29<Imran>Synrg, Where from you ?
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12:30<Imran>Are you Student ?
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12:30<SynrG>Imran: this is not the place for social chat.
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12:32<unify>Imran: /join #debian-in
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12:35<Imran>Malik Is my sername
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12:36<unify>Imran: Yes, we know
12:39<Imran>Which economy is following there ?
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12:41<unify>Sorry, I don't understand
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12:41<unify>You should type this: /join #moocows
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12:42<Imran>Which economy is following there ?
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12:43<unify>That has to do with money
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12:43<unify>And follow is walking after something
12:43<Imran>Where from you ?
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12:43<unify>Where are you from?
12:43<SynrG>!ops Imran not taking a gentle hint
12:43<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: synrg complains about: Imran not taking a gentle hint
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12:44<unify>Imran, type this: /join #debian-in
12:44<unify>and then press Enter
12:45<unify>Where you are typing that
12:45<SynrG>unify: you have good intentions, but it's not worth it.
12:45<unify> /join #debian-in
12:45<unify>I know, I never give up easily
12:45<weasel>then take it elsewhere, please.
12:45<SynrG>please do
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12:45<unify>I tried
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12:48<unify>Well, it worked
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12:51<unify>OK, so the drive finished the SMART self test both come out without error
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12:58<unify>SynrG: I can safely say the drive does not have a SMART error
12:59<unify>I posted the information of the error here:
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13:01<Imran>Sorry , Unify . But I don't know about this channel.
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13:02<unify>Also, I have the smartctl output here, if you're interested:
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13:04<unify>Means I need help
13:04<Imran>Which help
13:05<unify>Never mind...
13:05<noron>short question: will the netinstall-installer authenticate the packages it downloads using gpg or not?
13:06<zykotick9>noron: yes
13:06<zykotick9>noron: i discovered the other day, gpg is tied pretty closely to apt - ie. it's required.
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13:06<noron>ok good
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13:08<Imran>Window istalling
13:09<SynrG>unify: you said earlier "I can't suspend my pc. It crashes the thing on some kind of scsi error". may we see that error?
13:09<unify>As I said, I posted the error in pastebin
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13:11<unify>Seems similar
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13:12<FragByte>unify: Just read your smartlog, you have really high read and seek error rates
13:13<unify>Which means?
13:14<FragByte>unify: could mean your harddisk is broken
13:15<unify>I'm running debian on it now, apart from the suspend error it works?
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13:17<FragByte>unify: ADAIK Raw read error means "could not be read from disk" and is supposed to indicate problems on the disks surface
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13:18<unify>Ah, OK
13:18<FragByte>to me it seems that your suspend problems are just the first yet noticed symptom of a failing hard disk
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13:18<unify>So if a read error occurs during restart after suspension, the thing crashes
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13:19<FragByte>your kernel log indicates that it cant even suspend the disk
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13:19<FragByte>your smart log contains read and transfer errors and the summary states high raw read and seek error rates
13:19<SynrG>you probably also suffer from really bad read performance.
13:19<FragByte>it's also rather old it seems?
13:20<unify>yeah, it's old
13:20<SynrG>super old. 20G drive :)
13:20<SynrG>12 years old, i think
13:20<FragByte>if possbile I'd get my data off of it rather quickly ;)
13:20<unify>I actually haven't used it in a while
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13:21<SynrG>it's hard to find PATA drives. if you have nothing else for the system you're running it on ...
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13:21<SynrG>the system may not be worth saving
13:22<SynrG>you might netboot ...
13:22<unify>Well, as you could see on the wrong drive I used, I actually have 2x 123 gb drives on it
13:22<unify>and I salvaged this from an older system
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13:23<unify>This system is actually a server, so it's quite stable
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13:23<jlj>Has there been some trouble with gnome3 + flash lately? I can't seem to get fullscreen working most of the time
13:24<unify>I don't have that problem jlj
13:24<jlj>unify: Which flash version do you run?
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13:24<SynrG>don't mean this to be snarky, but ... avoid flash? :)
13:24<unify>Latest from debian rep
13:25<zykotick9>jlj: on my non-free box (using awesome, NOT gnome3) i have issues with flash+iceweasel fullscreen. sometimes if i f11 iceweasel, then full screen the flash video - it works. sometimes, not so much. flash sucks, best of luck!
13:25<SynrG>jlj: you're in a situation where you have no choice?
13:25<unify>There is always a choice :O
13:26<SynrG>well, that's a matter of perception
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13:26<unify>Yes, but the choice is there
13:26<SynrG>yes, but the consequences of that choice, you may not want to live with :p
13:26<unify>I concur
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13:27<jlj>Yeah, wish there was some alternative for watching video.. don't use it for much else. Tried gnash..didn't work
13:27<unify>So jlj how bad is your flash problem
13:27<jlj>unify: Well most sites like twitch tv won't fullscreen, the plugin hangs but not the browser
13:27<unify>How about youtube-dl
13:27<zykotick9>jlj: gnash+html5 plays much of youtube (certainly NOT most...)
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13:28<jlj>Haven't tried it, but strangely enough Youtube seems to be the site that works the best
13:28<SynrG>youtube-dl + vlc ftw
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13:28<jlj>Like, youtube only hangs if I have another flash stream running I think..
13:28<zykotick9>SynrG: ;) youtube-dl + mplayer ftw
13:28<SynrG>whatever ;)
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13:28<jlj>Is there a ? :s
13:29<stderr_dk>youtube-dl -q -o - | avplay - FT real W.
13:29<unify>no problems using on my end
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13:29<jlj>I was just wondering if it was something widespread since I switched to testing from stable a while ago.. never really had flash acting up before
13:30<jlj>unify: What video card/driver do you run? Nvidia?
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13:30<stderr_dk>jlj: You must be the only one then...
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13:30<jlj>Ah.. well the problem seems to be the same on both intel and nvidia for me
13:31<jlj>stderr_dk: Well those problems always suck the most :p hehe
13:31<jlj>No one to ask :/
13:31<unify>Well I use proprietary drivers, as the other ones don't work
13:31<stderr_dk>I meant "never really had flash acting up before"...
13:31<stderr_dk>That's pretty much what it does best.
13:31<jlj>stderr_dk: ah hehehe
13:31<dpkg>appiaggi: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi per saperne di più.
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13:31<jlj>Well, I think it behaved in stable.. I mean it was a slow pos but..yeah that's flash
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13:32<unify>Well, if you want a stable system why are you on testing?
13:32<jlj>unify: Cause I got tired of waiting for the new Gimp >_<
13:33<unify>Can't use backports?
13:33<jlj>And also ancient Iceweasel..but yeah I might switch back
13:33<jlj>Not that switching back seems like such an easy thing to do
13:34<jlj>unify: I don't think there was a backport of Gimp back then (like 9 months ago) I dunno
13:34<unify>Before you do that I'd first try using a persistent live system to check
13:34<Ryan-NL>All: I am looking for a person who is capable of setting up an email server on Debian, this is a paid job, if anyone is interested please PM me
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13:34<stderr_dk>jlj: You know about , right?
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13:34<unify>@Ryan-NL this is a help channel xD
13:35<Ryan-NL>@unify: Is there a better place for me to look?
13:35<stderr_dk>Ryan-NL: A lot of us are capable of doing that, but who's going to support it later? Maybe it would be a lot better for you, if you set it up yourself, so you know what's going on.
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13:35<jlj>stderr_dk: yeah, but I'm nit sure I use it right, I've been stuck on iceweasel 17 forever now. even on testing
13:36<dpkg>it has been said that consultants is
13:36<jlj>unify: What's a persistent live system? Like knoppix on a flash disk?
13:36<Ryan-NL>stderr_dk: I'm not a linux administrator
13:36<unify>If you use a live USB you can't save anything to the disk
13:36<stderr_dk>Become one...
13:37<unify>The idea of a persistent live system is that you can save changes
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13:37<unify>So you don't have to install it to a harddisk and it's portable
13:37<jlj>Ah okay.. can the debian install cd do that?
13:37<unify>Sorry, I don't know about that
13:38<stderr_dk>Install to a external USB disk? Why wouldn't it be able to do that?
13:38<SynrG>the simplest way is to build your own. or, i wrote a blog article for converting the iso-hybrid images that debian-live produces
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13:38<jlj>Guess there is no debian testing livecd or such huh
13:38<SynrG>stderr_dk: did you misread?
13:39<SynrG>14:36 < unify> If you use a live USB you can't save anything to the disk
13:39<stderr_dk>Probably... :-)
13:39<SynrG>stderr_dk: ^^ quite true
13:39<SynrG>persistence provides the ability to save to disk
13:39<SynrG>layering those changes on top of the live system, next time it boots
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13:39<kelsoo>test kelsoo
13:40<stderr_dk>kelsoo: Didn't work.
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13:40<SynrG>jlj: there isn't, but you can build one
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13:40<SynrG>jlj: but i thought your problem was: you're on testing, but wanted to see if on stable things work fine ...
13:40<SynrG>jlj: correct me if i misunderstood.
13:41<unify>But you have to install flash, so you lose the changes you made
13:41<jlj>SynrG: Yeah, or even another installation of testing. Guess mine could be messed up somehow
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13:41<stderr_dk>SynrG: Maybe we're just talking about different things. The install CD should be able to install the system on an external USB disk, right? After all, it's just a disk... And you should be able to boot from that USB disk like a normal disk, right? And be able to write to it...
13:41<SynrG>pardon the shameless self-promotion, but:
13:41<SynrG>stderr_dk: yes. but generally an install doesn't "just work" whereas a live system does
13:41<unify>shameless indeed
13:41<stderr_dk>Note that I'm NOT talking about Debian Live...
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13:41<SynrG>download the live image, boot it.
13:42<SynrG>if you want to play with it over longer term, add persistence.
13:42<unify>which you can only do if you do it manually correct?
13:42<stderr_dk>I was answering this: <jlj> Ah okay.. can the debian install cd do that?
13:42<SynrG>stderr_dk: do live persistence? no
13:42<jlj>Well I was thinking if the install cd had some kind of live/rescue mode really
13:43<SynrG>the d-i CDs have no live capability
13:43<stderr_dk>SynrG: Persistence wasn't mentioned when that question was asked.
13:43<unify>But there are images that have
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13:43<SynrG> has live images including an installer, though
13:43<unify>and I installed my system from one
13:43<unify>yeah exactly
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13:43<SynrG>stderr_dk: it is what i assumed "that" referred to, since that was the topic.
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13:44<stderr_dk>Guess I missed that line then.
13:44<unify>So, options are running a live system (and installing flash each time you want to use it) or installing to an external drive
13:45<unify>Of course for testing purposes the first should suffice if no restart is required
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13:46<jlj>unify: Yeah, sounds like a plan. Sigh I wish flash was more friendly to troubleshoot tho...but no code and now the company doesn't even make it anymore crap
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13:46<unify>Yeah I feel your pain
13:46<anunez>Hi all
13:46<SynrG>or a custom live image, which you can build at
13:46<anunez>may I have some help?
13:46<SynrG>or from the commandline using live-build
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13:46<SynrG>and we provide support at #debian-live (i'm on the live team)
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13:47<anunez>hey hey please
13:47<SynrG>anunez: what's your question? is it about debian?
13:47<unify>ask ahead
13:47<jlj>Well thanks for the help, guess a live cd is the only way to know for sure if it's the local system that is b0rked somehow
13:47<anunez>Some how but not directly
13:47<SynrG>anunez: do you run debian?
13:47<anunez>I wish you could point me to the right irc channel or info source
13:47<unify>jlj: good luck
13:47<anunez>I run debian and ubuntu
13:48<SynrG>anunez: so the problem is about ubuntu, then, since you indicated "not directly"? or about the debian system?
13:48<anunez>debian is actually the server involved in all this
13:48<jlj>unify: thx :)
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13:48<anunez>I've a DNS + apache server in that debian machine
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13:48<anunez>the question is
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13:49<anunez>can I set a domain with a \ backslash on it?
13:49<anunez>subdomain i mean
13:49<anunez>I'm using bind9
13:49<anunez>as DNS server
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13:50<SynrG>that's a bit crazy. why?
13:50<stderr_dk>No, you can't have a backslash in a domain name. And that's not a Debian question at all...
13:50<anunez>I'll explain myselft
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13:50<anunez>stderr_dk thx letme explain myself
13:50<anunez>I'm studing a subject
13:50<anunez>about security
13:50<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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13:51<valdyn>anunez: why dont you create a domain name and see?
13:51<anunez>I tried but I'm not sure of the traduccion
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13:51<SynrG>so if you're asking us to do your homework ... that's another matter.
13:51<anunez>Look I have to manage myself to full a OMAP board
13:51<anunez>running somekind of unix/linux
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13:52<anunez>please, I'm being polite, I'm just looking for some hints or places to read
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13:52<stderr_dk>Why do you want/need a backslash in the domain name?
13:52<anunez>If you dont want to listen I can leave, there's no problem
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13:52<anunez>because I need a \0 inside it
13:53<anunez>what for?
13:53<valdyn>anunez: just do it, theres no reason why it would not work
13:53<unify>null byte?
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13:53<anunez>I need the board
13:53<stderr_dk>valdyn: Are \ and \0 suddenly legal characters in domain names?
13:53<anunez>the OMAP board not to continue looking inside the cert file in https
13:54<SynrG>stderr_dk: i think the question is whether technically it can be done, perhaps as a part of an exploit
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13:54<anunez>I'm supposted to be use ssl vulnerability
13:54<anunez>to get my cert signed by a CA
13:54<anunez>and then fool the omap board
13:54<unify>You want to use a poison null byte for it
13:54<anunez>I have to use an exploit to get rid of it
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13:55<anunez>but the CA
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13:55<stderr_dk>I'm pretty sure bind9 won't allow it (but I haven't tried)... But it's not that hard to make your own DNS...
13:55<unify>You'd be better off asking that question in hacker forums tbh
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13:55<anunez>would you point me to some place to ask?
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13:55<anunez>so the problem is in my bind9
13:56<anunez>I need to do the:
13:56<anunez>\ thing
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13:56<unify>ah, don't add that to the domain name
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13:57<unify>I'd advise to learn exactly what a poison null byte is and how that exploit works
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13:58<SynrG>hey, look, googling some obvious keywords immediately finds an article. go figure.
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13:58<unify>yeah thought as much
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13:59<unify>Here's a good link anunez: null byte
13:59<stderr_dk>anunez: RFC 1035, Seciton 3.1...
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14:00<anunez>thanks a lot all
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14:00<anunez>I'll check right now
14:00<stderr_dk>Since every domain name ends with the null label of the root, a domain name is terminated by a length byte of zero.
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14:01<anunez>unify, I guess the last time you saw a vagina was in 1980, when u were born, thx for the help so much
14:01<stderr_dk>I would imagine a \0 would break stuff long before anyone tries to connect to your server.
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14:01<anunez>that's what appends
14:01<unify>sorry, I had to do that
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14:02<anunez>yes It was so funny and creative,
14:02<anunez>I'll check the RFC 1035
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14:03<stderr_dk>anunez: That's what you want to read if you, as I imagine, can't get bind to do it and therefore have to implement your own DNS...
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14:03<anunez>I get your point
14:04<Kanun>hi guys
14:04<anunez>thank you so much stderr_dk
14:04<anunez>hi Kanun
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14:04<stderr_dk>Implementing your own DNS isn't that hard. Been there, done that... :-)
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14:05<stderr_dk>Didn't get a t-shirt. Only a master degree. :-/
14:05<anunez>i'm not that experienced, if i have to implement my own dns server
14:05<SynrG>a t-shirt would have been more practical?
14:05<anunez>I guess the path is other
14:06<anunez>maybe more pratical at a very short term
14:06<stderr_dk>SynrG: Well, I haven't really used that master for anything yet... :-)
14:06<SynrG>whereas a t-shirt conveys a message, and functions as clothing at the same time.
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14:35<Eco>Since NSA ............ much respect to Debian- developers. ;)
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14:39<devil>where does that sentence make sense?
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14:42<sig_wall>NSA... Debian did vulnerable random generators when it was not mainstream yet :)
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14:56<soundconjurer>Hello Peoples!!
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14:59<Aiden>Hey, I am having a problem loading youtube videos in anything but 240p
15:00<SynrG>Aiden: what about non-youtube videos?
15:01<SynrG>Aiden: are you using gnash or the non-free flash player?
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15:01<Aiden>I cant load any videos. I am not sure what I am using, I just installed debian last night
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15:02<jlj>unify: Seems I found a solution, this seems to fix it for me.
15:02<sney>if you enable html5 in youtube at do videos work better?
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15:02<jlj>unify: In case someone else comes asking the same question (flash videos only work once or not at all with flash)
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15:04<olivia>I installed a deb package with dpkg (citrix client)
15:04<Aiden>sney, things do load better in html5
15:05<olivia>the return state says 0 broken [-1]
15:05<olivia>Current status: 0 broken [-1].
15:05<sney>Aiden: then the flash plugin is the culprit
15:05<sney>olivia: that is not an error
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15:05<sney>!tell Aiden about adobe flash
15:05<olivia>ah, ok...
15:06<olivia>i did verify broken pkgs with dpkg --configure -a, and there were no errors
15:06<Guest6825>People seem to say that Linux is more secure etc., but, has any of these people read its kernel? Can someone confirm it?
15:06<sney>it says 0 broken. that is no broken packages
15:06<olivia>was bit concerned about -1 part
15:07<sney>Guest6825: this is a support channel for debian users. do you need help with something?
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15:07<olivia>thank you Sney
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15:08<olivia>where an i get deatails about dpkg messages
15:08<Guest6825>sney: I just have that question. I don't need help with something. Thanks and sorry for being off-topic-ish.
15:09<valdyn>Guest6825: that question is off topic and much better answere by researching yourself
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15:24<Aiden>sney, so how do I install it?
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15:25<sney>Aiden: you enable contrib and non-free in sources.list, then use apt to install the package
15:25<Aiden>ah ok thanks
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15:29<Aiden>After trying I get thisErr cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 7.2.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20131012-14:05]/ wheezy/contrib flashplugin-nonfree amd64 1:3.2
15:29<Aiden> File not found
15:29<Aiden>Failed to fetch cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.2.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20131012-14:05]/pool/contrib/f/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-nonfree_3.2_amd64.deb File not found
15:29<Aiden>E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
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15:32<sney>Aiden: that is your install dvd, remove it from sources.list and make sure you have network mirrors set
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15:32<user__>Hello. Why does every browser take so long to load any website except from Chromium, which I don't trust? I run Debian Squeeze.
15:33<sney>Aiden: a network mirror line would look like 'deb wheezy main contrib non-free'
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15:34<user__>For example, YT will load almost instantly on Chromium, but it will take 30 seconds for it to load on Iceweasel. Any ideas?
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15:44<debiandeb>Is there a way to get the modules speedstep_centrino and acpi_cpufreq to install in wheezy?
15:44<debiandeb>(Whenever I try to install them the system complains and refuses to do so)
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15:46<rryoumaa>user__: yt is owned by google, maybe they did something sneaky?
15:46<user__>I used YT as an example. Every website takes about 30 seconds to load..
15:46<babilen>dpkg: tell Aiden -about wheezy sources.list
15:46<rryoumaa>user__: dns settings?
15:47<rryoumaa>user__: try numeric ip
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15:50<user__>I did some research while I was waiting for you guys. A lot of people have the same problem but I did not find any answers. I also tried to run websites on my ubuntu machine and I encountered the same problem.
15:50<user__>(on firefox)
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15:50<sney>it could just be a caching thing
15:51<sney>chrome caches like crazy
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15:53<dpkg>Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support was a release goal for Squeeze. #debian-ipv6 on, #ipv6 on To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>.
15:53<valdyn>user__: ^^^ disable ipv6
15:53<dpkg>From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
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15:55<valdyn>user__: "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" and add it
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15:57<valdyn>debiandeb: if the system refuses to load those modules, then there might be a good reason
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15:59<user__>I am on the "The grub-pc package is being upgraded. This menu allows you to select which devices you'd like grub-install to be automatically run for, if any." screen and it won't interact .. hmm
15:59<user__>Ok, it's done.
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16:00<user__>Going to reboot just in case. I will report back the results.
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16:07<user>It seems to load kind of faster now, but on the other hand, it's still slow.
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16:07<Guest6834>Maybe I did it wrong
16:08<sney>could also be name resolution
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16:13<Guest6834>'name resolution' what does that mean?
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16:13<stderr_dk>Guest6834: If you do a dig how fast do you get an answer? If you do a traceroute -n does the round trip time suddenly grow like crazy between two hops?
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16:20<Guest6834>The answer that I got from dig was instant. Traceroute -n worked fine.
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16:20<Guest6834>By fine I mean that it froze on the 6th line for about 5 seconds and then kept until it stopped on the 13th
16:21<Tingle>hi, Im trying to install the php extention cario on wheezy, ive installed php-pear, php5-dev and make. and when I run pecl install cairo-0.3.2 it downloads it and does its stuff and then says ERROR: `/tmp/pear/temp/Cairo/configure --with-cairo' failed. The full log is this:, anyone know what im doing wrong?
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16:29<abrotman>Tingle: did you install build-essential?
16:29<Tingle>dont think so
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16:29<Tingle>installing now
16:30<bzed>Tingle: you need to install pkg-config
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16:30<Tingle>still same result
16:30<Tingle>installed build-essential-11.5
16:30<bzed>Tingle: as the outpjut says. pkg-config not found....
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16:30<Tingle>at the top of the output it says running: /tmp/pear/temp/Cairo/configure --with-cairo
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16:31<Tingle>then it does its checking
16:31<bzed>Tingle: configure: error: Ooops ! no pkg-config found ....
16:31<Tingle>ah yes
16:31<Tingle>what can I do against it
16:31<Tingle>I doubt that the pear package is wrong
16:31<bzed>Tingle: … install pkg-config … as mentioned various time snow.
16:32<Tingle>its a package
16:32<Tingle>now it says no cairo detected in the system
16:32<bzed>Tingle: and if the package name wouldn't be pkg-config, you could use apt-file to find the package which ships it
16:33<bzed>Tingle: use apt-cache to search the name of the cairo library development package
16:33<bzed>Tingle: and then install it.
16:33<Tingle>what command would that be
16:33<Tingle>there are alot of cairo packages
16:34<Aiden>where would VLC be located in my directory?
16:34<Tingle>the first one is cairo-5c-1.8.1
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16:35<Tingle>but I seem to already have a couple installed, libcairo2, libcair-gobject2, libcairomm, libcairo-perl,libmono-cairo
16:35<bzed>Tingle: apt-cache search cairo library development
16:35<Tingle>python-cairo, pyhton-gi-cairo
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16:35<bzed>Tingle: come on, thats not so hard.
16:36<bzed>Tingle: why install python packages if you want to compile c code?
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16:36<Tingle>I didnt install them, must of happend automaticly at some point
16:36<user__>I have another problem now; my video card is not working properly.
16:37<bzed>Tingle: so, which package are you going to install?
16:37<user__>I only get 10 fps on video games that I tried and videos lag.
16:37<Tingle>I takeit libcairo2-dev would be the proper one
16:37<sney>user__: what video card and which driver
16:37<Tingle>well the cairo pecl install now tells me configure: error: Ooops ! no cairo detected in the system
16:37<Tingle>but I just listed all the ones I have installed
16:38<bzed>Tingle: did you install libcairo2-dev ?
16:38<Tingle>doing so now
16:38<sney>Tingle: dig through the configure for what specific includes it's looking for, and apt-file search it
16:38<sney>if libcairo2-dev doens't work that is
16:39<Tingle>now it worked
16:39<Tingle>there we go, it created the
16:39<bzed>sney: are you sure that Tingle is able to search trough the configure script if understanding apt-cache search seems to be hard
16:39<bzed>Tingle: you're welcome
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16:39<user__>ATI RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series].It's an old card, but I was expecting it to function better (it could run a lot of games with windows)
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16:40<user__>Drivers? Not sure..
16:41<Tingle>cairo seems to be installed now, it shows up in phpinfo()
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16:41<user__>sney: ^^^
16:42<Tingle>hmm but function_exists('imagecopyresized') returns false
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16:42<Tingle>ah I think I installed the wrong package lol
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16:42<Tingle>I need GD now cairo >.>
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16:44<sney>user__: install firmware-linux-nonfree. the driver for that card is included with the linux kernel, but missing features without the binary blobs in that firmware package
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16:46*abrotman thought build-essential included pkg-config
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16:48<user__>sney: I got that error; Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/... Do you think that it was installed properly?
16:48<sney>user__: did you install firmware-linux-nonfree?
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16:49<user__>sney: I ran apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree.
16:49<abrotman>did it work?
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16:49<sney>some network cards and even sound cards will produce the "possible missing firmware" message so it's important to note which firmware files it's asking about
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16:51<sney>yep that's for a network card and you most likely don't need the firmware anyway
16:51<sney>reboot and try your game again
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16:51<user__>Ok, thanks.
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16:54<Aiden>Hey where would VLC be located in my directory?
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16:55<stderr_dk>In your directory? Nowhere.
16:55<sney>he just quit
16:55<stderr_dk>Yeah, I saw when I pressed enter.
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16:55<stderr_dk>In your directory? Nowhere.
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16:56<Aiden>I wanted to stream something into my vlc and it made me try to look for it, where would I find it
16:56<stderr_dk>Aiden: vlc-nox: /usr/bin/vlc
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16:59<stderr_dk>Aiden: Next time: which vlc
16:59<chris__>someone have a clue how to get the logitech g930 oporational?
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17:01<devil>and that would be what device?
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17:02<chris__>a wireless hadset
17:03<chris__>by logitech bretty cool on windows it it is working...
17:06<devil>chris__: does lsusb -nn see the device?
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17:07<chris__>yes it does...
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17:07<stderr_dk>What's the id?
17:07<devil>can we see the line?
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17:08<chris__>sould be one of those
17:09<devil>first one
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17:10<chris__>i think i'm just to stubid to change the output device
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17:11<chris__>how to open the manager?
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17:12<devil>what manager?
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17:12<chris__>audio-device manager it that exists...
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17:13<devil>what DE are you using?
17:13<cae>I'm trying to get a preseed.cfg autoinstall setup working, but it keeps displaying the "Configure the keyboard" box, althrough "d-i keymap select us" is set... what am I doing wrong?
17:14<chris__>a external speaker-set also logitech but connectet via 3.5mm klinke
17:14<devil>chris__: what desktop environment?
17:15<devil>umh, don't know too much about it
17:15<chris__>unfortionally i ether
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17:15<devil>google knows basicaly nothing about probs with your device under debian
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17:15<uso>is there a way to (temporarily) disable pulseaudio without dropping the packages?
17:17<debiandeb>valdyn: what could be the good reason? that such modules must have kernel suppot?
17:17<cae>uso: # /etc/init.d/pulse* stop #? or pkill pulse, if it got started as user
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17:18<chris__>ok hang on i think im just a restart away...
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17:19<uso>cae: sure I can kill the daemon, but how do I prevent it from beeing restarted immediately? ;)
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17:21<cae>uso: mv $(which pulseaudio){,-disabled} ? ;-) idk, the global one should be to disabled in /etc/default/pulse*
17:22<uso>cae: hehe, but then I prefer to drop the package instead
17:23<uso>btw, what's the advantage of running pulseaudio per user?
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17:25<cae>uso: probably privilege seperation... idk, in my eyes the benefit of not running pulse at all would be greater...
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17:26<uso>cae: I'm about to agree ...
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17:27<uso>a rather simple sounding task to forward audio from one computer to the other on a local LAN seems quite complicated
17:27<uso>and beside of that I don't see much sense in using pulseaudio
17:28<cae>uso: ack. But if you just setup NFS and mpd, you don't need that anymore
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17:29<Nemoder>I use pulseaudio because the ALSA drivers for my card refuse to mix recording input, and if I attempt to run two programs that try to access it they usually crash
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17:32<uso>cae: unfortunately nfs and mpd don't solve the problem of redirecting sound which is generated on one system to a different system where the amplifier is connected
17:33<uso>but I guess I have to go back switching the audio cable between the computers
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17:36<cae>is someone familiar with the preseed stuff? I'm repeating my question, that just scrolled of sight:
17:36<cae>I'm trying to get a preseed.cfg autoinstall setup working, but it keeps displaying the "Configure the keyboard" box, althrough "d-i keymap select us" is set... what am I doing wrong?
17:37<uso>pulseaudio documentation, "The Perfect Setup":
17:37<uso>does an empty [page mean the "perfect setup" is to remove it? :P
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17:38<stderr_dk>cae: Shouldn't that be "string", not "select"?
17:38<otay>Hi! I want to install mycoowebserver as a service in /etc/init.d/. mycoolwebserver needs networking, so, how do the real Debian guys make sure a service has been started already (and possily use some variables that it set.. maybe)?
17:39<stderr_dk>cae: Or rather: d-i debian-installer/keymap string us
17:39<cae>uso: no software == no bugs
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17:39<cae>stderr_dk: I'll check, I think the dist preseed.cfg example has 'select' at that line
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17:40<turionus>one question. I have installed Teamviewer 9 beta for i386 on x64. i`ve add architecure to mine repository.
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17:40<turionus>is this can cause trouble?
17:40<stderr_dk>cae: I haven't tried preseed, but I would expect it to be the same as debconf-{get,set}-selections
17:41<devil>turionus: why would it? dide you follow debians multiarch wiki?
17:41<cae>stderr_dk: 3rd paragraph... but I'll just try string there
17:41<cae>stderr_dk: yes, it basically is
17:41<uso>otay: there are tags in the init scripts to handle dependencies, see /etc/init.d/README
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17:42*otay reads it. (Debian 7 user)
17:42<turionus>so upgrading distro will go with no problem?
17:42<stderr_dk>cae: Well, I also have an: keyboard-configuration keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap select dk
17:42<devil>turionus: sure
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17:44<stderr_dk>cae: I just saw the last line of paragraph 3... Could it be that you haven't turned of the question about the keymap and it just uses "us" as the default for the selection of the keymap?
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17:46<stderr_dk>cae: Or is "toggle" something else?
17:46<otay>uso, perfect. Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you.
17:47<cae>stderr_dk: idk what toggle should mean there
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17:47<stderr_dk>cae: Ah... "# Method for toggling between national and Latin mode:"
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17:52<stderr_dk>cae: There seems to be two keymap selections: # Keymap to use:
17:52<stderr_dk>d-i console-keymaps-at/keymap select dk-latin1
17:52<stderr_dk>And # For internal use (keyboard chosen by user)
17:52<stderr_dk>d-i debian-installer/keymap string dk-latin1
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17:53<cae>ah, I was already thinking about the manual installer, there also could have been two boxes asking for keyboard-related stuff
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17:53<cae>so one is for d-i and the other for the installed system
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17:54<stderr_dk>cae: And when I said there are two selections, I mean three... There's also: keyboard-configuration keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap select dk
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18:03<Molly83>Hi, I am running Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.8 (squeeze), with Gnome
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18:03*SamB wonders why he has so many apache workers ...
18:03<Molly83>I bought a Raspberry Pi, and I would like to connect it to my EeePc
18:04<cae>stderr_dk: just tried almost all of the combinations, you need to put all of 'd-i debian-installer select us', 'd-i keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap select us' and 'd-i keymap select us', even though the last one should be an alias for the second
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18:04<hello000>I own a lexmark e120 printer and can't get the drivers to work. I downloaded and followed the steps, but nothing happened.
18:04<cae>stderr_dk: but it works, thanks for your help :-)
18:04<stderr_dk>No problem. :-)
18:04<uso>is there any way to reset ALSA audio without rebooting?
18:05<Molly83>I bought a USB M(A)/Micro(B) calbe, a HDMI cable and a FTP CAT5E cable
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18:05<Molly83>I would like to connect Rasberry in such a way to use it without monitor and keyboard
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18:06<cae>Molly83: prepare the image on another machine that has monitor/keyboard and then put it on the sd card to boot the Raspberry Pi
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18:07<cae>if that other box is x86, probably binfmt could allow chroot
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18:07<Molly83>Raspberry has already Rasbian in it
18:07<hello000>I also downloaded the pdd file but I don't know how to use it
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18:08<stderr_dk>Molly83: Install an ssh-server?
18:08<Molly83>Using it via ssh would be fine form me
18:09<Molly83>But I am totally unexperienced
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18:10<stderr_dk>hello000: I would assume that you should put the .ppm file(s) in /usr/share/cups/ and do something in cups... But to be honest, I have no idea... :-/
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18:11<Molly83>Should I connect the Raspberry to the router?
18:11<hello000>stderr_dk: it's a pdd file
18:11<devil>Molly83: that you will have to (or to a switch)
18:12<Molly83>Ok, I check the router
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18:12<Molly83>I has just an ethernet slot
18:13<devil>that is what you want
18:14<Molly83>The problem is that my laptop is using that slot
18:14<devil>then you need to get a switch
18:14<Molly83>I see
18:14<Molly83>Ok, thanks
18:15<stderr_dk>Or switch cables very, very fast all the time...
18:15<hello000>So, does anyone know how to use that pdd file?
18:15<Molly83>So, basically I connect both laptop and Raspberry to the switch, and the switch to the router
18:15<Molly83>lol :)
18:15<stderr_dk>Molly83: Yes.
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18:16<Molly83>And if, say, I do not want the raspberry to be connected to the internet, I could connect it to the laptop, is correct?
18:17<devil>hello000: the ppd files on my box live in /usr/share/ppd
18:17<stderr_dk>Molly83: Your laptop only has one ethernet port, right? Then it wouldn't be connected to the internet either.
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18:18<Molly83>Ahhh, ok
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18:18<hello000>devil: this dir is invalid..
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18:18<devil>hello000: invalid? how is that?
18:19<stderr_dk>Molly83: You could choose not to tell the Pi about the router. Then it wouldn't know where to send the packages that doesn't belong on your LAN.
18:19<Molly83>Because I tought that also the USB cable would have been a way to connect the two ocmputer
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18:19<stderr_dk>Molly83: I don't have a Pi. Maybe you could connect them over USB.
18:19<stderr_dk>devil: I think he means "No such file or directory".
18:20<hello000>Anyway, what I was asking is how to get my lexmark e120 printer to work..
18:20<Molly83>So, so maybe it's worth to try, before buying a switch
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18:20<devil>hello000: did you check
18:21<Molly83>And in case it would be possible, could I still access it via ssh?
18:21<hello000>Not sure what I have to do
18:21<stderr_dk>hello000: Is cups installed? You should probably do some cups magic in the web-interface.
18:21<Molly83>Ok, thanks
18:22<devil>hello000: well, for a start: next time by a real printer :)
18:22<stderr_dk>"works Mostly"... Great!
18:23<stderr_dk>hello000: Is it an e120 or an e120n?
18:23<stderr_dk>Wrong link then...
18:23<hello000>do I start by installing 'cups'?
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18:24<devil>hello000: apt-get install hpijs
18:24<devil>that might be enough
18:24<stderr_dk>hello000: You could use lpd or lprng instead. Cups seems to be a good choice.
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18:27<devil>hello000: cups should be installed
18:27<hello000>devil: hp thing seems installs it right now, let's see
18:28<devil>you need to restart cups to make it work
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18:28<hello000>devil: how?
18:28<Molly83>I connected the two computers via USB
18:28<devil> /etc/init.d/cups restart
18:29<Molly83>the light of the Pi is on, but sudo fdisk -l does not see it
18:29<valdyn>Molly83: you wanted to set up usbnet, not usb-storage
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18:29<Molly83>Ok, sorry for the mess
18:29<valdyn>Molly83: neither of those 2 devices can act as usb-storage, probably
18:30<uso>there's no other way to forward audio from one PC to another other than pulseaudio, isn't it?
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18:30<Molly83>So it is not supposed to be seen just as an external hard-disk
18:30<valdyn>Molly83: both can act as usb network devices if set up properly (and if your pi has that module)
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18:30<hello000>devil: I restarted it, but still won't print. I only have the generic printer option
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18:31<Molly83>Ok, I see
18:31<devil>hello000: are you in the cups webinterface?
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18:31<hello000>devil: no..
18:31<stderr_dk>hello000: http://localhost:631/
18:32<devil>hello000: http://localhost:631
18:32<stderr_dk>Or http://localhost:631/admin
18:32<valdyn>Molly83: im surprised you even have a fitting usb cable
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18:32<hello000>Ok, got there.
18:32<Molly83>I used the one that was supposed to go in the USB plug for the power supply O.O''
18:33<stderr_dk>hello000: Then you just need to press the right buttons... :-)
18:33<devil>and enter the right pw :)
18:33<valdyn>Molly83: i doubt that one does more than tranfer power, but i dont know
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18:34<hello000>I guess that these right buttons are on add printers and classes?
18:34<Molly83>It is a USB M(A) / Micro(B) cable
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18:34<valdyn>Molly83: my nokia n900 did networking, usb-storage, power transfer etc. all over the same port though
18:34<devil>hello000: add printer is first
18:34<stderr_dk>hello000: Or "find new printers"
18:35<Molly83>I see
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18:36<Molly83>the other solution would be to by a cable having ethernet on the Pi side, and USB on the EeePc side, right?
18:36<Molly83>Or the switch on the router
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18:36<uso>valdyn: did? with what device did you replace it?
18:36<devil>Molly83: I do not think such an animal exists or makes sense
18:37<devil>Molly83: switch and cat5 cable is the way to go
18:37<SamB>devil: there are certainly USB-attached NICs
18:37<hello000>Yeah!Yeah! It works :)
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18:37<Molly83>Ok, I will buy a switch then
18:37<SamB>but indeed it would seem more sensible to use a switch
18:37<devil>SamB: uh, never seen one of those
18:38<devil>hello000: yay \o/
18:38<devil>hello000: but in general Lexmark printers can be a real pita
18:39<Molly83>And, once I have a switch, I will have to access the Pi via the router, right?
18:39<devil>through the switch, yes
18:39<agaida>devil: in general every printer can be a real pita
18:39<hello000>devil: that's true, but this one has been working fine for years ;)
18:39<stderr_dk>Molly83: You need to set up some networking on the Pi and install a ssh-server, but yes...
18:39<hello000>devil: and it was also really cheap
18:40<devil>stderr_dk: raspbian asks you if you want ssh enabled iirc
18:40<stderr_dk>Ok. I don't have a Pi. Or a Pie. :-( And now I'm hungry...
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18:40<devil>all I did was find out tne ip
18:40<Molly83>Ok, the next step is to learn a) how to set up a network b) how to install a ssh-server
18:41<Molly83>stderr, lol :)
18:41<devil>Molly83: if you have raspbian, it is real easy
18:41<stderr_dk>Molly83: aptitude install openssh-server, if it's not there already.
18:41<Molly83>just this?
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18:41<hello000>Ok. Now the last thing that I have to do is to set up the benq 5560 scanner..
18:42*SamB has a Pi on permanent loan but he didn't get a storage medium for it yet
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18:42*devil wrote a couple articles on certains software on the pi, so I played with it a bit
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18:43<stderr_dk>hello000: I think "sane" is what you're looking for.
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18:43<hello000>Yeah, I checked sane, but the website is down
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18:43<stderr_dk>aptitude install sane isn't down.
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18:44<Molly83>Ok, for tonight I just thank you guys :)
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18:45<hello000>Next? Next what?
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18:49<hello000>stderr_dk: I mean, what else do I have to do?
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18:49<stderr_dk>Last time I configured a scanner was in 1999-2000... Please don't expect me to remember anything.
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18:50<stderr_dk>I'm surprised I could even remember the name of the package.
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18:51<hello000>Oh, ok. I found something. Give me a minute
18:52<stderr_dk>hello000: sane-utils has a config-file: /etc/sane.d/saned.conf Maybe take a look at that.
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18:54<hello000>I think that the scanner just died .. >.>
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18:55<stderr_dk>Well... That solved that problem... :-(
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18:57<hello000>Wait, the light is on again..
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19:00<hello000>stderr_dk: maybe I have to restart it as I did with cups?
19:00<stderr_dk>After changing the config? Yes.
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19:01<stderr_dk>Or at least reload the config.
19:01<hello000>I can't see something that i could change there
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19:05<stderr_dk>hello000: You know, I could be wrong about saned/sane-utils...
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19:07<stderr_dk>hello000: What happens when you run xscanimage ?
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19:08<hello000>if you mean xsane image, it scans for devices and says that none was found.
19:08<hello000>I am trying something else now
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19:20<hello000>If this isn't the problem, go to /etc/sane.d/ (or /usr/local/etc/sane.d) and edit the file dll.conf, commenting out any backend or other (i.e. v4l) protocol that you don't need.
19:20<hello000>These files don't even exist!
19:26<hello000>Update: I found the files
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19:33<hello000>I failed, will try another time. Thanks for the help.
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21:11<Guest6851>Hello, does anyone here understand linux audio in general and ALSA in particular? I'm unable to make it work
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21:13<prosperoIII>What I mean by that is, I have no audio, following the components mentioned at
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21:14<prosperoIII>will try to install each, but stuck at the first part, alsa-driver
21:14<DNS>prosperoIII: i think this arcticle is a bit too old, did you check the debian wiki?
21:15<prosperoIII>trying to build alsa-driver, I got after configure "The file /lib/modules/3.11-2-amd64/source/include/INCLUDE_VERSION_H does not exist"
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21:17<prosperoIII>actually I have, but didn't help that much
21:17<prosperoIII>I really think this sound issue is way overcomplicated
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21:18<DNS>prosperoIII: what says: lspci -v | grep Audio
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21:19<prosperoIII>nothing returned
21:19<DNS>do you have PC soundcard, soundchip, soundcard with usb?
21:19<prosperoIII>have soundblaster audigy value; its a pci card
21:20<DNS>ok should be detected on default and work right away i think
21:20<DNS>its a very common card
21:20<prosperoIII>except it doesnt
21:20<DNS>i wonder why
21:20<prosperoIII>how can I check if the kernel module for sound is loaded?
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21:21<prosperoIII>on wheezy 7.1 amd64 btw
21:21<DNS>if the lspci command doesnt give anything back then theres already a problem i think
21:21<Nemoder>you could also try hwinfo --sound
21:22*DNS installs hwinfo
21:22<prosperoIII>hwinfo isn't on apt-get/synaptic?
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21:23<Nemoder>erm hm, maybe it was removed from testing
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21:25<Nemoder> :(
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21:25<DNS>i have it already installed but need to run it as root/sudo
21:25<blast007>Nemoder: he said he's on wheezy, not testing.
21:26<DNS>im on sid
21:26<prosperoIII>sorry forgot I moved to jessie on this machine, anyways getting hwinfo now
21:27<Nemoder>ah true. well anyway if the hardware isn't showing up in the pci list then likely even the bios can't see the card and you wont be able to use it
21:27<DNS>!dpkg hwinfo
21:27<dpkg>hmm... hwinfo is your friend, "aptitude install hwinfo" then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles
21:27<blast007>DNS: talking about prosperoIII that said that hwinfo wasn't in apt-get
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21:27<DNS>its there, or should be
21:27<DNS>prosperoIII: try with sudo
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21:27<Nemoder>prosperoIII: I would recommend shutting the machine off and double checking that the card is installed correctly
21:27<Nemoder>or maybe trying a different pci slot
21:28<DNS>ah on jessie
21:28<blast007>prosperoIII: if you're on jessie then yeah, there's no hwinfo. also, testing/unstable support is in #debian-next
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21:29<prosperoIII>wait when I don't "| grep Audio" a lot of soundblasters show up in lspci
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21:31<prosperoIII>from 04:00.0 to 04:19.0 its all soundblaster
21:31<prosperoIII>sez "Capabilities: <access denied>"
21:31<Nemoder>prosperoIII: can you pastebin your lspci output
21:31<prosperoIII>sure thing
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21:34<DNS>prosperoIII: looks fine and there you see which kernel module is used for your card: snd_ca0106
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21:35<DNS>try sudo lsmod | grep snd_ca0106
21:35<Nemoder>ahh case sensitive on the Audio heh
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21:36<DNS>sorry, next time i improve the grep command a bit :x
21:36<Nemoder>!alsa checklist
21:36<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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21:37<DNS>!pulseaudio checklist
21:37<DNS>hm heheh
21:37<nadir>which group do i need for pmount? plugdev?
21:39<DNS>nadir: seems so
21:39<nadir>DNS: ok, thanks
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21:39<nadir>I always got the default, first user, so never have much problems with groups
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21:42<prosperoIII>DNS: done the lsmod, now what?
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21:43<DNS>prosperoIII: so the driver for your card is enabled and loaded?
21:44<DNS>prosperoIII: try: aplay -l
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21:44<prosperoIII>not sure, output:
21:45<DNS>prosperoIII: seems to be enabled yes
21:45<prosperoIII>aplay -l
21:46<prosperoIII>is it normal that there are so many?
21:46<DNS>lol idk
21:46<DNS>prosperoIII: has the audigy many outputs?
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21:46<prosperoIII>I don't have 23 cards, just 1 :D
21:47<DNS>not sure what this is
21:47<DNS>but wait
21:47<DNS>prosperoIII: what you see there cat /proc/asound/cards
21:50<sney>I have one of those cards in a drawer somewhere. I wonder if they all do that.
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21:50<prosperoIII>its fairly old I think, 4-5 years maybe
21:51<DNS>prosperoIII: try: speaker-test
21:53<prosperoIII>sometimes I just hate linux
21:53<prosperoIII>Have a feeling that this will be solved if I install ALSA, then PulseAudio then GStreamer from scratch
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21:54<raschp>Have you ever tried to do this kind of thing in other OS's?
21:54<Nemoder>prosperoIII: how are you testing audio
21:55<prosperoIII>well it's giving me stuff like "Time per period = 30.021612 0 - Front Left"
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21:55<DNS>prosperoIII: you have no sound ?
21:55<prosperoIII>none, zero
21:55<DNS>i think its something muted in mixer
21:55<Nemoder>have you run alsamixer and turned the volume up?
21:55<prosperoIII>other OS's as in other distros?
21:55<raschp>As in MS windows
21:56<prosperoIII>Yea as I said this card is fairly old but was working in Win7 like a year ago, don't have win7 now
21:57<DNS>prosperoIII: type: alsamixer
21:57<prosperoIII>did, its at 100
21:57<raschp>I always have this kind of problems in windows, but never in linux.
21:57<DNS>did you check f6 ?
21:57<DNS>in alsamixer
21:58<Nemoder>and hit "M" to toggle mute on all relavent channels
21:58<prosperoIII>yea Master vol. is at 61 like in all of them, but isn't it strange I have 23 of the same card..
21:59<DNS>prosperoIII: this is strange indeed, at least i didnt see such as before
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21:59<sney>the big problem with the audigy se is that it's a budget card that does everything in softwrae
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22:00<sney>so there's a lot more to go wrong with the driver than, for instance, your average ac97 chip or something actually discrete
22:00<Nemoder>most audio is all done in software now
22:01<sney>yeah. and with ac97 or intel hda standards that's not really a problem. it can get a little funny but it's mostly well supported.
22:01<sney>the audigy se is more like trying to use a windmodem 10 years ago.
22:02<sney>winmodem, even. where'd that d come from
22:02<zykotick9>sney: ;) is that a winDmodem because the blew?
22:02<prosperoIII>bottomline= get a new card?
22:03<sney>prosperoIII, it'd be the faster solution
22:03<DNS>i cant believe that audigy doesnt work with debian
22:03<DNS>its too common
22:03<sney>"audigy" is an entire series of sound cards, many of which are unrelated to each other
22:03<Nemoder>it sounds like it's working, it is detected and loaded the right driver
22:03<Nemoder>but something went amiss with device selection or playback
22:04<sney>yeah and then it spawned 100 different "devices" that all represent the same card
22:04<DNS>sney: ah ok
22:04<DNS>prosperoIII: i still think somethin is missing
22:04<prosperoIII>whats the most pain-free card there is then?
22:04<DNS>prosperoIII: ehm i mean mutedd
22:05<prosperoIII>well, I'm still willing to try stuff DNS
22:05<DNS>did you check physical outputs?
22:06<prosperoIII>stopped the speaker-test tho
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22:06<DNS>i mean can you make sure its about the software and not hardware problem
22:06<DNS>because as said, your hardware is detected, and drivers loaded...
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22:07<prosperoIII>sure, a while ago my 3 color coded cables there died, so got 3 black ones instead
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22:07<prosperoIII>might be mixed but dont think so
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22:07<prosperoIII>if thats the case, why would I get 0 from speaker-test
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22:08<DNS>the speaker-test had no error so i wonder
22:08<Nemoder>maybe test with some headphones to make sure it's not speakers?
22:09<DNS>or check with a different distro/ livecd and hear if you get audio signal
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22:10<DNS>but first i would try as well to make very sure its not hardware related... i made sometimes in past the mistake to not check it searchin for hours in software for problem :x
22:11<prosperoIII>going for the headphone test
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22:12<prosperoIII>nope, only static
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22:12<Nemoder>speaker-test IS static :)
22:13<prosperoIII>haha I had an mp3 on
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22:13<prosperoIII>planet rock - afrika bambaataa to be exact :)
22:13<prosperoIII>seriously, is this hopeless..
22:14<prosperoIII>ok, livecd..
22:16<Nemoder>sometimes it's simple things. I just spent an hour trying to get my web app to accept a file that was CLEARLY under the size limit but kept getting rejected for being too big. then I refreshed my directory display on my client and saw the size was in fact over. oops
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22:17<DNS>i have not much knowledge about irqs but what is strange here that his card has ~20 entries and usin 4 irqs
22:18<sney>it's very strange.
22:18<sney>in fact I'm pretty sure it's impossible for a single pci card to actually use 4 irqs
22:18<DNS>still 0 should be the default and correct one (at least from name)
22:19<DNS>but look at the paste there you see it takes 4
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22:23<DNS>prosperoIII: wb! you dont have the audigy with emu soundchip or?
22:24<DNS>seems not, but i want to be sure
22:24<prosperoIII>Hey, what do u mean?
22:24<prosperoIII>Ah sorry, I dont know
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22:24<DNS>prosperoIII: forget it i see it cant be the one with emu soundchip
22:25<DNS>prosperoIII: well the one with emu soundchip uses different kernel module
22:25<DNS>prosperoIII: this one
22:26<DNS>(proably the best audigy btw)
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22:26<prosperoIII>Looks like might worth a shot
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22:26<prosperoIII>On ubuntu livecd, card isnt recognized
22:27<DNS>prosperoIII: doesnt sound nice
22:27<DNS>prosperoIII: do you made new pc setup? did the card was installed (not moved) before in other system where it worked?
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22:27<DNS>(sorry for my english)
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22:29<prosperoIII>No no have this hardware for ages, debian install is relatively new tho
22:29<DNS>prosperoIII: you dont need to test snd-emu10k1 if you dont have emu soundchip then it will not work
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22:29<DNS>prosperoIII: so it just dont work since the new install?
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22:30<DNS>prosperoIII: but its not good sign that it also dont works on ubuntu... which ubuntu version did you try?
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22:30<prosperoIII>I think so, before I had linux mint debian and did work there (maybe)
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22:31<DNS>i get the feelin that it needs closed drivers :-/
22:31<prosperoIII>How to check the emu thing?
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22:31<DNS>we already have checked with lspci
22:31<prosperoIII>Whether the card has or not?
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22:33<prosperoIII>I have audigy: value if it helps
22:36<prosperoIII>on ubuntu, lspci still lists soundblaster but no device listed in Sound Settings, also volume greyed out
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22:39<prosperoIII>!alsa checklist
22:39<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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22:41<prosperoIII>Whoa, apperantly had a win7 install still. Sound works there
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22:43*prosperoIII needs assistance
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22:46<DNS>prosperoIII: sorry tired here, but also not sure what else we can check atm
22:46<prosperoIII>Same here :)
22:47<prosperoIII>Just, sound on linux shouldnt be so hard..
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22:47<DNS>prosperoIII: sudo apt-get install gnome-alsamixer
22:47<prosperoIII>My cabling is fine, so is the hardware
22:48<DNS>then turn on sigma tel, and then turn on audigy
22:49<prosperoIII>Sigma tel?
22:51<DNS>sorry heh edit in menu and check options
22:52<DNS>prosperoIII: you can see/have enabled audigy there?
22:52<DNS>edit > program preferences
22:53<prosperoIII>Nope, just a thousand "CA0106"s
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22:54<DNS>and in sound card properties?
22:54<prosperoIII>And they all checked
22:54<prosperoIII>What am I lookin for Audigy?
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22:55<prosperoIII>Its not there
22:55<DNS>and all enabled/checked thre as well?
22:55<prosperoIII>Frustrating, huh¿
22:56<DNS>yes and no, you need to see gnu/linux problems sometimes like you play an advanced adventure with hard quizes
23:01<prosperoIII>Haha not that I dont enjoy hunting hard puzzles, gnu/linux issues can take days or even weeks to solve at times when all I want is some simple music in the background
23:01<sney>oddly, one of the most painless sound cards to use in linux is from the earlier/better sound blaster live, live 5.1, and original audigy series - they use the emu10k1 chip that's purely discrete and all the driver has to do is poke it in the right places. which it's been able to do, just fine, for over a decade now
23:02<sney>unfortunately, that chip is no longer supported in windows
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23:07<DNS>prosperoIII: i just read somethin interesting, does your card has spdif?
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23:07<DNS>prosperoIII: if yes go to mixer settings and mute this
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23:07<DNS>and see if you have sound then
23:07<prosperoIII>Not sure my audigy value is old enough to have that chip, but just checked that I have sound in windooze
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23:07<DNS>spdif is no chip
23:07<DNS>its a digital output
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23:08<Guest6860>How do you add a partition, fstab? Is there an easy way? It didn't work for me, I added my partition to fstab and rebooted but it didn't mount it
23:08<prosperoIII>yea That was for sney
23:08<prosperoIII>I do have spdif here
23:09<prosperoIII>Choose analog output instead?
23:10<prosperoIII>Sorry but no change :(
23:11<Guest6860>cause its uuid's now right, so how do we do that?
23:13<DNS>Guest6860: man fstab
23:13<sney>Guest6860, uuids are not required. ^
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23:14<prosperoIII>In alsamixer, theres mysterious IEC958 front, right, center etc
23:15<Guest6860>Ok, I make a dir in /home/user/newPartition and in fstab I put /dev/sda5 /home/user/Hm ext3 ....What should I put for options if I want user to have access to it rw?
23:15<prosperoIII>Ok last shot for today, how can I remove the other 22 devices so only 1 os remaining?
23:15<Guest6860>sorry /home/user/Hm and in fstab I put /dev/sda5 /home/user/Hm ext3 ....What should I put for options if I want user to have access to it rw?
23:16<prosperoIII>Maybe this is causing confusion
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23:16<sney>if you mount it under /home it'll inherit permissions from /home
23:16<DNS>prosperoIII: sudo nano /usr/share/alsa/pcm/iec958.conf and comment #pcm.!iec958 {
23:16<sney>just after ext3 just put 'defaults 0 0' and it'll be fine
23:16<Guest6860>sney, ok, so I put defaults now I should reboot?
23:16<sney>mount -a
23:16<Guest6860>sney, oooooooooh, 0 0, not 1 1, I put 1 1 for some reason
23:18<prosperoIII>Too tired, be back tomorrow. Thx guys
23:18<DNS>prosperoIII: but dont forget the last i was sayin
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23:18<DNS>prosperoIII: it might be the issue and fix the problem lol :D
23:18<prosperoIII>Comment thing? Did it
23:19<prosperoIII>I'll just try to remove this 22 ridiculous devices later
23:19<Guest6860>sney, thx
23:19<prosperoIII>Thanks again
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