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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-11-25

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04:01<Tingle>Im trying to use the php function mysql_ping() but it gives me: "mysql_ping(): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)", whereas for "root" it is refering to my linux user. Anyone know why this is happening?
04:02<Stummi>don't use root
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04:02<Stummi>also, root has probably an password you have to provide
04:02<SamB>Tingle: well, firstly please avoid PHP. secondly, the MySQL daemon doesn't care what user your client is running as ...
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04:03<Tingle>I know, weird hu - if I execute this script through non-sudo it does myuser@localhost, doing it as sudo gives me root@localhost
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04:05<Stummi>because an mysql client tries to login with the name of its user
04:05<SamB>or, well, I suppose it might care, but it doesn't treat root specially
04:05<Stummi>not the daemon cares, but the client
04:06<SamB>there aren't a whole lot of services out there that authenticate requests based on the ownership of the originating process
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04:06<Tingle>I have this devian-sys-maint user
04:06<SamB>(probably because you can't do this over the network anyway)
04:06<Stummi>SamB, there should be a way to provide username and password for the mysql-functions in php.
04:06<Stummi>*Tinerm
04:06<Stummi>erm
04:06<Stummi>Tingle, ^
04:06<Tingle>what do you guys suggest I do
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04:07<Stummi>Tingle, read the php documentation of your mysql_ping command
04:07<Tingle>my other pdo mysql functions work fine
04:07<Tingle>just mysql_ping() isnt doing it
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04:08<SamB>Tingle: is this all in the same program?
04:08<Stummi>because mysql_ping() without an parameter uses an default link identifier, what you probably would have figured out, if you had read the documentation
04:08<Stummi>and your other mysql commands are using one, I think
04:09<Tingle>hmm ok, ill look what they are passing
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07:01<fuyao>why love debian
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07:04<SynrG>!tell fuyao about why debian
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07:41<specky>hekki
07:42<specky>Hi
07:42<specky>anyone here?
07:42<specky>Good morning
07:42<Maulkin>!ask
07:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
07:42<specky>Hi
07:42<specky>Anyone here?
07:42<specky>?????????
07:42<Maulkin>About 625 people.
07:42<specky>'????????????????'
07:42<specky>ok
07:42<Maulkin>Do you have a Debian support question?
07:43<jm_>!tell specky -about enter
07:43<specky>Great , my Xchat works
07:43<specky>jm_, i already know that
07:44<jm_>apparently not
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07:44<Maulkin>specky: Do you have a Debian support question? If not, please use a more appropriate channel.
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07:45<specky>Maulkin, thanks. I have 1 question. How can i hack FB?
07:45<laptop_>haho
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07:45-!-specky was kicked from #debian by Maulkin [you should know better]
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07:46<laptop_>what is story?
07:46<Maulkin>laptop_: Do you have a Debian support question? If so, just ask!
07:47<laptop_>where are you from
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07:48<devil>laptop_: can you read?
07:48<Maulkin>laptop_: For general chat, could you please use #debian-offtopic?
07:48<laptop_>yes
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07:51<ZIPY>you scared him away
07:51<Maulkin>Oh well.
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10:05<Rubidium>hi, I found a library that writes beyond its allocated buffer and returns that so that users of the library will also read beyond that buffer. I couldn't crash the user of the library, so I wonder whether it qualifies as critical, grave, important or normal
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10:18<SynrG>Rubidium: just because you lack imagination as to how to exploit it ... err on the side of caution and give it whatever severity you think is appropriate. if the maintainer disagrees, it can be changed.
10:18<SynrG>i mean, perhaps a more determined person could make it crash
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10:19<SynrG>and maybe today it doesn't crash, but tomorrow's build of it does. or it crashes, but only on some other architecture than yours.
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10:27<zorlak>hi
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10:41<Rubidium>thanks SynrG
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10:58<nocturnal>my boot just stopped after upgrading to wheezy. it says it can't find the UUID of my root volume. I booted a debian live system and verified that grub.cfg contained the correct UUID for the root volume as listed in blkid output. what could be causing this?
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11:15<zykotick9>nocturnal: i'd first verify "blkid" returns the UUID you expect. then check /etc/fstab for the UUID of /
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11:17<nocturnal>I've verified in blkid that the UUID is correct for the root volume. and fstab does not list a UUID for that volume since it's a logical volume. the only UUID in fstan is for /boot which is a primary partition
11:17<nocturnal>I'm right now chrooted into my system through a debian live system but I'm not sure what to change to fix this
11:18<nocturnal>the error during boot says "ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/long uuid does not exist" but I can find it in /dev/disk/by-uuid
11:18<nocturnal>that same uuid
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11:19<nocturnal>and this happened after a wheezy upgrade, during the upgrade I noticed /var was out of space so I resized it while the upgrade was running. possibly causing this issue
11:19<nocturnal>I resized it by adding a new virtual disk to the VM
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11:20<nocturnal>and extending its vg
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11:23<stevecotton>Hmm - no idea what errors dpkg gives, but running out of space on /var would probably mean that the package postinsts didn't run (they're scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info).
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11:26<nocturnal>yeah there's plenty of .postinst files there, do you think it's safe to just do a for script in *.postinst; do bash $script; done there?
11:26<stevecotton>no
11:26<nocturnal>it would be best to use dpkg somehow
11:26<nocturnal>but I don't know how
11:26<nocturnal>also in chroot
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11:27<stevecotton>those scripts expect to be run with specific arguments. But I'm thinking the problem might be postinsts that should be there, but aren't.
11:27<nocturnal>http://i.imgur.com/U3MlVnw.png here is the error side by side with blkid output from the chroot.
11:28<nocturnal>eh, I mean ls output
11:28<nocturnal>not blkid
11:28<nocturnal>but blkid shows the same UUID
11:28<nocturnal>it's the root LV
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11:29<stevecotton>try the "cat /proc/modules", see if the lvm ones are loaded
11:29<nocturnal>in initramfs I assume
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11:29<stevecotton>yup
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11:31<stevecotton>hmm - can rule out the thing I was thinking of. Your initramfs has busybox from Wheezy, so must have been regenerated after upgrading busybox.
11:31<nocturnal>dm_mod is loaded
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11:32<nocturnal>nothing else I can identify as lvm related
11:32<nocturnal>but comparing to a working squeeze system I can see nothing obviously related to lvm in /proc/modules
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11:39<stevecotton>ok, can't find any lvm modules on my desktop or laptop either
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11:40<nocturnal>I managed to run dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-3.2.0in my chroot and it executed the postinst
11:40<nocturnal>but I got a grub-probe error
11:40<nocturnal>googling
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11:42<stevecotton>hmm - maybe bug 707831 is your problem
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11:43<nocturnal>checking
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11:47<nocturnal>ahh I see the problem now when comparing a working server
11:48<nocturnal>the working server refers to the dev mapper path in grub.cfg
11:48<nocturnal>while the non working one refers to the UUID
11:48<nocturnal>well I assume that is the problem
11:48<stevecotton>fixable :)
11:48<nocturnal>=)
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11:52<nocturnal>yeah now it boots
11:52<nocturnal>jesus I was stupid for not creating a snapshot before the upgrade
11:53<nocturnal>how can I now make sure that anything missed during the upgrade when /var was full will be run?
11:53<nocturnal>perhaps loop through dpkg -l and run dpkg-reconfigure for all packages?
11:53<nocturnal>or dpkg -l | grep ^rc
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11:54<nocturnal>but everything seems to be working already
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11:54<stevecotton>for missing files it would be "apt-get --reinstall", but I'm not sure if that wipes out existing config files
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11:54<nocturnal>well if it tries to wipe existing config files I would hope I'd get the standard prompt
11:55<nocturnal>perhaps apt-get -n --reinstall
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11:55<stevecotton>ah, probably debsums :)
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11:56<nocturnal>maybe it didn't miss anything after all, no important packages are in dpkg -l|grep -v ^ii
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11:56<stevecotton>:)
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11:57<nocturnal>and there were no warnings or I wouldn't have rebooted. the disk space warnings for /var stopped as soon as I expanded the LV
11:58<nocturnal>but that bug was correct
11:58<nocturnal>thanks
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12:11<natm>hi folks. so i have a Realtek RTL8188CE wireless card, i installed the firmware-realtek package and the kernel modules load. i'm able to get wpa supplicant to work using wext, but it doesn't seem to see any of the 5ghz signals.
12:11<natm>is this a firmware limitation.
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12:31<blast007>natm: the RTL8188CE doesn't do 5GHz according to Realtek's site.
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12:31<natm>ahh okay.
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12:32<natm>hrm. thought it was supposed to though....
12:32<natm>ah well.
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12:32<blast007>natm: 2.4GHz b/g/n http://www.realtek.com/products/productsView.aspx?Langid=1&PFid=48&Level=5&Conn=4&ProdID=272
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13:02<trut14>buonasera
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13:02<trut14>!list
13:02<dpkg>trut14: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più.
13:03<Krim>hi - i have a lil problem. my debian machine inside a ESXI environment gets a defect filesystem - every day (!) and makes the FS R/O. how could this happen?
13:04<Krim>i'll have to call fsck everyday with a reboot to keep using the machine. it's a big problem for me.
13:04<Krim>only asterisk, plex and hostd are running on the machine
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13:40<romson>can i ask for help in this chat?
13:41<sney>yes
13:42<romson>great! thanks. i was using tails and had all my data on the persistent partition. now it disappeared from the file manager. and in disks it says "unknown" when i unlock the encrypted partition in disks
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13:51<zykotick9>romson: tails != debian
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13:53<romson>nobody answers in tails. were should i go to? i found this https://tails.boum.org/forum/USB_Persistent_mount_error/ you think i have a chance to recover my files?
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14:05<trico>romson: theres a solution to the problem on that same page.
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14:09<romson>okay. i probably will try. but my problem is a little different. it says "unknown" where my partition should be. i can not even try to mount it since its unknown. i hope the data is still there. i didnt mess around much. probably chances are high i can recover, right?
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14:17<micha-->hi, is there a known boot problem in testing? today it hangs at loading cups, 5 times in a row, yesterday it booted up fine.
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14:23<trico>romson: i think tails used luks volumes for that, you should try to open it with cryptsetup luksOpen
14:25<romson>i can unlock the encrypted partition in disks but when it unlocks it says "unknown" where the partition should be
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14:25<romson>what does luksOpen do exactly?
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14:27<_neil_>trico: cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb disk
14:27<_neil_>or sbd5 etc
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14:30<romson>okay thanks. i will try. what does the command do?
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14:32<romson>only problem: the disk has no name any more i believe
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14:36<trico>review the man page for cryptsetup if youre not familiar with it. you need to give a partition and mount point
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14:49<anon77x>lol hier geht auch nix
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14:54<xpzion7>How do i mount my android device ?
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14:58<Elvano>I just tried to install libc6, it gave me an error and went on black screen. When I try to start up again it gives me the next error: switch_root: "can't execute '/sbin/init': No such file or directory"
14:58<trico>if it doesn't mount automatically it probably needs to be configured as mass storage. look in the device's settings for that
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15:02<Elvano>Was that directed to me?
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15:09<blast007>Elvano: what were you doing, exactly?
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15:10<oznt>hi everyone, does someone here have a problem mounting usb disks with kernel >3.2 ?
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15:10<oznt>i am going nuts, looking for a solution already a couple of days without success
15:11<devil>oznt: do not ask if others have problems, describe yours :)
15:11<stderr_dk>What command are you using? What error message do you get?
15:12<devil>oznt: pmount as user should take care of mounting external disks
15:12<oznt>devil, my problem is very simple: can't mount usb with write mode
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15:12<devil>oznt: and it worked witrh every kernel from 3.2 to 3.12 here
15:12<devil>oznt: what file system?
15:12<oznt>devil, pmount can run as daemon in gnome\mate session?
15:12<oznt>fat32
15:12<devil>let me guess: ntfs
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15:12<abrotman>gnome and mate aren't the same things?
15:13<oznt>abrotman, nope
15:13<abrotman>so you should tell us which one you're actually using
15:13<devil>hm, try pmount (you need to install it)
15:13<devil>then do: pmount /dev/sdXY
15:13<devil>as user
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15:14<Elvano>I tried to install this lib, since I needed it for ogremeshy. (I might have installed the wrong package), blast007
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15:14<Elvano>I might accidently installed libc6-dev-amd64 instead of the libc6-dev
15:15<blast007>Elvano: libc6 should be part of every install, I'd think.. so what did you install, exactly?
15:15<oznt>devil, my desktop session already mounted /dev/sdb
15:15<oznt>devil, my desktop session already mounted /dev/sdb1
15:15<oznt>and the annoying thing is that it mounts it in the wrong mode
15:15<devil>oznt: sorry, then I do not get your problem
15:15<devil>oh, it is mounted ro?
15:16<Elvano>That's really everything I installed, blast007 (either libc6-dev or libc6-dev-amd64)
15:16<oznt>devil, i attach a disk and it is automatically mounted, by some daemon, but this daemon is mounting it readonly
15:16<oznt>and i can't find how to change it
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15:16<devil>well, you can always -o remount, but that is no resolution
15:17<devil>err, solution
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15:17<oznt>devil, yes, that is not the solution i am looking for
15:17<devil>is the disk in fstab maybe?
15:18<blast007>Elvano: well, I'd suggest booting from a rescue disk and grabbing the end of the apt-get/aptitude log file so you know what you actually installed/uninstalled. What version of Debian was this?
15:18<oznt>nope
15:18<oznt>devil, no
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15:18<Elvano>Should be wheezy. I have testing repos enabled, though blast007
15:19<devil>hm, with gnome or mate I cannot help
15:19<blast007>Elvano: why do you have testing repos on your wheezy system?
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15:19<devil>oznt: but there must be a setting that tells the disk to be mounted
15:19<Elvano>can't remember, I needed some files a while ago, blast007
15:19<oznt>devil, that is what i am looking for
15:19<devil>oznt: find that setting and you can cahnge it
15:20<oznt>but the guys in mate won't answer, and it's awefully documented
15:20<devil>yeah, like I said...
15:20<devil>mate is niot even in debian
15:20<devil>not
15:21<oznt>devil, mate is in debian since not long
15:21<oznt>but ...
15:21<oznt>you where right
15:21<oznt>i actually did have an entry in /etc/fstab
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15:21<oznt>i erased it
15:21<blast007>Elvano: you shouldn't mix testing/stable. now you might have installed a libc6 package from testing over top your wheezy system which could have broken your entire system now.
15:22<oznt>and with a newer version of gvfs it works properly
15:22<devil>I cannot find mate in debian
15:22<devil>but if it is solved, that is fine
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15:23<oznt>i guess that the mix i have of new kernel old libs didn't play nice with each other
15:23<oznt>devil, http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
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15:23<devil>well, NEW is not actualy in debian, could be refused
15:24<devil>but I guess it'll be in soon then
15:24<oznt>devil, i hope
15:24<devil>if the packaging is ok…
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15:28<oznt>devil, thanks
15:29<oznt>i need to get some sleep
15:29<devil>yw
15:29<oznt>good night everyone
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16:15<mpfusion__>All devices on my LAN support jumbo frames except my router. Will I break my internet connection if I enable jumbo frames or will the internet traffic gracefully scale down to 1500?
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16:17<trico>no, but you should do some speed tests to make sure there is actually an improvement in speed on your lan. some manufactures have a very loose definition of 'support'. also, if all your devices are directly connected to the router rather than going through a switch, setting jumbo frame wont do anything
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16:19<mpfusion__>trico: I did some benchmarks and it seemed promising. So I want to run an actual test on my network to check if it makes a difference in practice.
16:19<styx-tdo>hi, is there a way to override paths in dpkg-buildpkg?
16:19<mpfusion__>And all devices are connected to a switch
16:19<valdyn>may the actual point of jumbo frames is making the jobs of switches and routers easier. IT cant be significant in a small lan
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16:20<styx-tdo>valdyn: jumbos are important as soon as you move huge amounts of data and the network is the bottleneck
16:20<styx-tdo>i.e. with iscsi
16:20<styx-tdo>or possibly even with NFS
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16:20<valdyn>styx-tdo: thats single digit percentages
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16:20<valdyn>styx-tdo: except for the load on switches
16:20<styx-tdo>valdyn: not only load.
16:21<mpfusion__>styx-tdo: That's exactly my two issues. NFS and iSCSI is slower than I expected so I want to test with a higher mtu.
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16:21<valdyn>right, even a single machines tcp/ip stack has to do less work
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16:22<styx-tdo>if you have a normal pkg, you have mtu 1500, you have ~1480 real + header.. with jumbo you get 8820 as payload
16:22<styx-tdo>but that is more a matter of high performance situations. what throughput do you get?
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16:22<styx-tdo>and which switches ;)
16:23<mpfusion__>about 30MiB/s on a Gib link
16:23<styx-tdo>that is not MTU related, from my experience
16:24<styx-tdo>hell, I get faster than that on my bloody internet uplink @ my server housig
16:24<styx-tdo>*housing
16:24<uso>styx-tdo: NFS is slow mostly when handling a lot of small files, not for large files
16:24<styx-tdo>which protocol do you use?
16:24<mpfusion__>NFS
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16:24<valdyn>mpfusion__: thats not even close to the bandwidth where jumbo frames make much sense
16:24<uso>for large files I get more than 100 MiB/s throughput with MTU 1500
16:25<mpfusion__>uso: With NFS?
16:25<uso>what NFS version do you use?
16:25<mpfusion__>nfs3
16:25<uso>mpfusion__: yes, with NFS
16:25<styx-tdo>http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=219433
16:25<styx-tdo>try NFSv4 if possible
16:25<mpfusion__>the server only supports ver. 3
16:26<Elvano>I got my liveCD running. Where ought I get the apt-get log file, blast007 ?
16:26<uso>for me v3 is faster than v4, although v4 should be faster in theory
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16:26<uso>but then again, that's mostly when handling a lot of small files
16:27<mpfusion__>uso: on small files it drops <10MiB/s, it's the average for big files (50MiB to 80GiB)
16:27<styx-tdo>any chance to switch to CIFS?
16:28<mpfusion__>not at the moment. I tried NFS and iscsi with similar results.
16:28<uso>mpfusion__: sounds like normal, though the rate for large files is a bit low
16:29<uso>maybe your disk is slowing it down
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16:29<blast007>Elvano: from the /var/log of your hard drive
16:30<mpfusion__>uso: It's now 33MiB/s copying big VM images to a NAS. The disk on the NAS writes with >100MiB/s
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16:30<uso>mpfusion__: hehe NAS, that's probably CPU limited there
16:30<styx-tdo>q: i need to install a 2nd php version alongside the installed one. is there a way to rename a deb package so it does not conflict? i.e. php5.4 and php5.5, but php shall be in /etc/php55 ?
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16:31<valdyn>mpfusion__: you can try skipping your (maybe cheap) switch by directly connecting a computer and the nas
16:31<mpfusion__>uso: <30%, i3 dual core, 16GiB RAM, I expected more performance than 30MiB/s
16:32<mpfusion__>valdyn: I already did. Same results. btw it's a netgear GS108T
16:32<valdyn>mpfusion__: so the fault is a) cable or b) the nic
16:32<uso>mpfusion__: try it between two PCs
16:32<valdyn>mpfusion__: the cpu is plenty fast
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16:33<mpfusion__>I tried without switch. No difference
16:33<uso>I have rather bad experience with cheaper NAS systems (not that I know this one)
16:33<uso>they are good for backup purposes, but not as real file server
16:33<valdyn>mpfusion__: ( and i get more than that with an old atom system
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16:34<valdyn>mpfusion__: however maybe your disks spindle is buy with something else too
16:34<valdyn>mpfusion__: however maybe your disks spindle is *busy* with something else too
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16:35<mpfusion__>dual core 2.8GHz, 16GB and good intel nics should be fine I assume
16:35<valdyn>mpfusion__: nc /dev/zero is probably a decent benchmark to exclude any disks from causing this
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16:36<mpfusion__>valdyn: how? nc on the NAS and the test client?
16:36<valdyn>mpfusion__: yea, both
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16:37<styx-tdo>mpfusion__: nc is basically just streaming via the network. server-client, it is
16:37<mpfusion__>wait a minute
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16:38<mpfusion__>32MiB/s
16:38<Elvano>aperently I had installed libc6-dev-amd64, blast007
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16:39<mpfusion__>that explains why nfs and iscsi have similar performance
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16:40<mpfusion__>Wait a minute. When I connect multiple times, I get more speed in total. I'm on 75MiB/s now with two connections
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16:42<uso>mpfusion__: maybe check the settings of your network cards, especially full duplex
16:43<uso>sometimes auto-negotiation does not work properly
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16:43<styx-tdo>mpfusion__: what is the nc performance?
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16:43<mpfusion__>I thought Gib ethernet is always full duplex
16:44<styx-tdo>mpfusion__: no ;) not according to Cisco *lol*
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16:44<mpfusion__>styx-tdo: 32MiB/s with one connection. It adds up to more than 80MiB/s if I run several connections in parallel.
16:45<styx-tdo>mpfusion__: with nc???
16:45<styx-tdo>you get only 32 MiB ??
16:46<mpfusion__>styx-tdo: yes
16:46<styx-tdo>then i'd swap the switch out.
16:46<styx-tdo>nc has virtually no overhead, the disks are not a factor
16:46<mpfusion__>why do I get the full speed with more connections in parallel?
16:47<styx-tdo>either your /dev/zero is slow (unlikely ;) or your NAS'TCP/IP stack is severly broken or the switch is the issue
16:47<styx-tdo>that points to AutNegotioation. what does mii-tool say?
16:47<styx-tdo>or the switch is not really managing GigE over the wire
16:47<mpfusion__>negotiated 1000baseT-FD flow-control, link ok
16:47<styx-tdo>sounds ok
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16:48<styx-tdo>it is a cheap home switch, right?
16:48<mpfusion__>it's a netgear GS108T
16:48<mpfusion__>$60 or so
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16:48<styx-tdo>Netgear ProSafe GS108T ?
16:48<styx-tdo>so it is a router, too?
16:48<mpfusion__>yes
16:49<mpfusion__>I have a different router, that's just a switch
16:49<styx-tdo>http://forum1.netgear.com/showthread.php?t=64263
16:50<styx-tdo>quote from another page: When the GS108T is not in the path, I get 20Mbps download. When its in the path, I get around 9Mbps download.
16:50<styx-tdo>can you try linking the nas up with a crossover cable?
16:51<mpfusion__>styx-tdo: I will, brb
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16:51<styx-tdo>so, anyone here has experience with rebuilding packages ;)?
16:52<valdyn>styx-tdo: *re*-building?
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16:52<styx-tdo>dpkg-buildpkg
16:52<sney>!package recompile
16:52<dpkg>1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
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16:52<styx-tdo>i need to rebuild it to have different prefixes etc
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16:52<styx-tdo>and a different name
16:53<sney>styx-tdo, follow dpkg's instructions there. debian/rules is the deb makefile.
16:53<styx-tdo>oh my. i feared that. the package is php. rules has a length that makes it suitable for my kindle ^^
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16:55<styx-tdo>!package debian/rules
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16:56<styx-tdo>!package rules
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16:57<styx-tdo>.. renaming a package seems not to be that easy
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16:58<sney>dch is how you add a new version, which I assume you mean since completely renaming php to something else would be ridiculous unless it was a fork
16:59<sney>the bot commands do not all begin with 'package' - the one I triggered is called 'package recompile' because that's what it describes
16:59<sney>also, you can see the bot replies in a private message with /msg dpkg topic rather than spamming the channel with !topic
16:59<styx-tdo>sney: i need 2 different php versions... and i did open a query already ;)
16:59<sney>you want to install 2 different php versions side by side? yikes, good lukc
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17:00<styx-tdo>sney: so, my plan is to create php55 for version 5.5
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17:00<styx-tdo>it seems there is no ready-to-use version available. and just apt-getting it uninstalls 5.2
17:00<styx-tdo>which is not what i need :/
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17:01<sney>you'll have to rename all of the targets. I guess it's possible since it was done with python/python3
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17:01<sney>last time I needed to test something on 2 different php versions on a single server, I just ran the different one in a chroot
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17:01<styx-tdo>what makes me wonder is why noone else seems to need this. all the manuals say "just compile"
17:01<sney>it was a little clumsy but fast at least
17:01<styx-tdo>hmmmm... chroot.. that sounds manageable
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17:02<sney>because no production machines need 2 different versions of php, and most development machines use chroots and vms
17:02<styx-tdo>sney: i tend to disagree on that one
17:03<sney>you have a use case for 2 different php versions in production on the same server instance?
17:03<styx-tdo>legacy webspaces with custom php where upgrading is not an option, bought stuff that uses e.g. zend or ioncube...
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17:03<styx-tdo>especially zend is a PITA, as it has different binary formats tied to one php version...
17:04<styx-tdo>so, yes.. sadly, i do.
17:04<sney>legacy webspaces also often rely on old and crusty versions of apache or sql, and are thus run entirely segregated from the main server instance, for instance in a vm
17:04<sney>or best run entirely segregated.... though some hosts might try it your way
17:05<styx-tdo>... ideally, your path is the best, correct.
17:05<styx-tdo>practically, 2 php versions in parallel are something webhosters may require
17:06<sney>there was some of that during the php4/5 transitions I think, where php4 was used through cgi-bin and php5 was native
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17:06<sney>that's major revisions though, not 5.3 vs. 5.5. I guess it could be done the same way
17:06<sney>still, what a mess
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17:06<styx-tdo>it is not so bad.. i want to use php-fcgid and php-fpm, so apache config can handle that easily
17:07<styx-tdo>tell me about mess :/ *sigh*
17:07<styx-tdo>but - the main issue is still that php5 binaries cannot coexist in debian via apt
17:08<sney>,v php5
17:08<judd>Package: php5 on i386 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u4; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u5; sid: 5.5.4+dfsg-1; jessie: 5.5.5+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.6+dfsg-1
17:08<sney>right, because apt considers 5.5 a replacement for anything before it
17:08<styx-tdo>and php5.5 is required by some web apps, whereas some just don't run under php5.5 but reqire 5.4
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17:09<sney>and that's a tested requirement, not a stated one? I've got a production ecommerce site running happily in php5.4 despite the developer's screaming insistence that it would never work
17:09<styx-tdo>php5.5 breaks some things. massively... sadly.
17:09<styx-tdo>yes. sadly.
17:09<sney>dang
17:10<styx-tdo>5.5 changed some things under the hood that have major impact..
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17:13<mpfusion__>styx-tdo: I connected the NAS directly to the host and run nc and I got impressive 111MiB/s! But the NFS performance is still 34MiB/s (tested by copying one 20GiB image)
17:13<styx-tdo>mpfusion__: ok, but nc via switch is still slow as hell?
17:15<mpfusion__>Now I tested again (without switch) and I get 14.5MiB/s with nc. I tried several times, it either goes up to 111MiB/s immediately or it stays at about 14MiB/s
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17:15<blast007>Elvano: you should really just post the relevant log information to http://paste.debian.net so that someone may have a suggestion.
17:15<mpfusion__>That's totally weird
17:15<styx-tdo>sney: and don't get me started about "Strict Standards." errors.
17:15<styx-tdo>mpfusion__: do you have another computer handy?
17:15<styx-tdo>to test this?
17:16<styx-tdo>i want to rule out a local issue on your box
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17:16<mpfusion__>A sparc box, but it has only fast ethernet and an old laptop (maybe even with GigE, I can check)
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17:18<styx-tdo>hm
17:18<styx-tdo>and 14 or 111 are without disconnecting ethernet?
17:18<SamB>mpfusion__: how many drives, and how fast, does this NAS have?
17:19<styx-tdo>SamB: with nc it should matter not, right?
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17:21<SamB>styx-tdo: I suppose not, but if the drives actually max out at 34 MiB/s total does it really matter that much?
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17:22<mpfusion__>There are two drives and a short test with dd reveiled they can write >100MiB/s
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17:23<mpfusion__>styx-tdo: I just checked the old laptop, it's only has a 100mbit nic
17:24<styx-tdo>wont help, that one maxes out at 10MiB/s
17:24<Elvano>paste.debian.net/67749/ , blast007
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17:24<styx-tdo>as a last resort, i'd try a life CD
17:24-!-dom_ [~dom@178-82-132-11.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #debian
17:24<styx-tdo>to rule out your OS
17:24<styx-tdo>e.g. aptosid ;)
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17:24<mpfusion__>on the nas or the host?
17:25<mpfusion__>I test with a sid host atm
17:25<mpfusion__>the nas is running freebsd
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17:26<blast007>Elvano: yeah, looks like you upgraded your libc6 to the one in testing and thus broke your whole system. Back up your data and reinstall, and then either stick with wheezy completely or fully move to testing. Don't mix stable and testing.
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17:26<curro>ops
17:27<curro>mira loco
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17:27<Elvano>Ah well, it'getting routine by now =p Thanks for the help, blast007
17:27<curro>yo voy a ser presiso
17:27<curro>a mi no me molesta ninguno
17:27<sney>!es
17:27<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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17:28<curro>y menos el chupacabras del pinche webon de tu tia maria
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17:28<curro>yyooooo
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17:30<styx-tdo>mpfusion__: your workstation.. sorry, i need to go to bed, it's half past 11 here
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17:32<Guest6962>hey whats up linux is pretty rad, jus installed it
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17:32<mpfusion__>styx-tdo: I'll try that later. Don't want to reboot now. But I'm not very convinced it's the workstation. The same system (OS, NIC) easily moves >60MiB/s on other networks.
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17:33<mpfusion__>Thanks anyway for your help and support.
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17:37<Guest6962>is it easy to install android drivers for linux
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17:38<Guest6962>anyways thanks for your help lol laters
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18:56<saturne>it is possible to do mrtg on virtual interfaces, as eth0:0, eth0:1 ... etc etc?
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19:12<uso>saturne: probably not the standard mrtg way through SNMP
19:12<saturne>ok :(
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19:12<uso>I think there's only one counter per physical interface, but I'm not an SNMP expert
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19:13<saturne>yrp on virtual we can't see rx/Tx
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19:13<uso>maybe check if SNMP has infos about the virtual interfaces
19:14<saturne>all things i read, it's negative...
19:14<uso>saturne: you only can try to add your own counters, maybe with iptables rules (when the devices e.g. have different IP addresses)
19:14<saturne>mhhh
19:14<saturne>good idea
19:14<uso>and read that counters with a script feeding it into mrtg
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19:15<saturne>thanks :)
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19:28<cae>is debian-non-US/ still a thing? jigdo asks me to provide a mirror for that, but I found none that doesn't throw 404 (even the README.non-US can't be found, the version http://archive.debian.org/debian-non-US/README.non-US seems to be outdated)
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19:30<themill>non-us went away many years ago
19:30<abrotman>like .. 10 years ago
19:30<cae>yeah, so why does jigdo asks me for a mirror? (What can I enter there to ignore the nonsense?)
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19:32<cae>well, it probably stuck on *jigdo... for single file it seems to work
19:32<sney>tried leaving it blank?
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19:33<cae>sney: yeah, it repeated two or three pages of "usable" mirrors and then prompted again
19:34<cae>but it's probably an layer 8 problem, I just saw it's only a single URL in jigdo-lite(8)
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20:29<jocker>hola a todos
20:29<jocker>alguien me puede ayudar con una duda
20:29<jocker>???
20:29<jocker>es sobre xorg
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21:12<Sutusut>hai
21:12-!-mpfusion_ [~mpfusion@xdsl-92-252-8-215.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #debian
21:12<Sutusut>--> zamzamnur48.blogspot.com
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21:48<peeko>hi there
21:49<peeko>how do i mount fat16 iso created with dd ?
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21:58<nevyn>if it's fat16 it can't be an iso
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22:05<peeko>i just name it iso
22:05<peeko>its img
22:05<peeko>i made a copy of partition old dos drive usind dd
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22:06<peeko>i can read files, and archive can do auto mount, but i would like to check if some files were deleted and see if i can undelete them
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22:07<nevyn>mount -o loop blah
22:07<nevyn>peeko: copy it first.
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22:07<nevyn>before trying to do undelete operations
22:08<peeko>i did try it
22:08<peeko>it says i must specify file system
22:08<peeko>i tryied -t fat16, it says maybe i mean vfat
22:09<nevyn>yeah you do
22:09<peeko>i did try it and get error
22:09<peeko>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,
22:09<peeko> missing codepage or helper program, or other error
22:09<peeko> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
22:09<peeko>dmesg tail or so
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22:10<peeko>still here ?
22:10<nevyn>yeah.
22:11<nevyn>didn't get the syslog info
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22:11<peeko>i was kicked from channel
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22:12<peeko>mount says there is: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on dev/loop0
22:12<peeko>missing codepage or helper ....
22:13<peeko>dmesg | tail says
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22:13<themill>dpkg: tell peeko about paste
22:13<peeko>FAT-fs (loop0) cant find a valid FAT filesystem
22:13<peeko>what about paste ?
22:14<peeko>sorry guys im new to irc, used it years ago :)
22:14<peeko>[34557.921228] FAT-fs (loop0): invalid media value (0x01)
22:15<LtL>peeko: he means use http://paste.debian.net for errors, warning, info etc. don't flood the channel.
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22:17<peeko>ok, here is a info from fdisk
22:18<peeko>http://paste.debian.net/67778/
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22:20<peeko>ok here is all 3 fdisk , mount and dmesg http://paste.debian.net/67780/
22:21<peeko>any idea what im doing wrong ?
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22:23<demonax>Hello, compiled/linked/Make today's github pull of freecad; got all dependencies, used cmake first; then make concluded with errors (details): http://oftcpython.privatepaste.com/3400cc18fd
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22:24<demonax>I realise that this is not a deb package issue but for those that need to live on the edge... any thoughts would be appreciated.
22:25<peeko>nevyn you still there ?
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22:26<themill>demonax: are you compiling against python 2.6 or 2.7 there? (can you force it to only compile against python 2.7? apparently the freecad build system has a nasty habit of doing the wrong thing here)
22:26<demonax>themill: 2.7
22:27<themill>Are there any FindPython.cmake files around?
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22:30<demonax>themill: find . -iregex '...' finds none
22:31<demonax>themill: none in build nor source directories
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22:37<demonax>I was just thinking of creating a python env (virtualenv) shell & recompiling(?)
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22:46<demonax>themill: thanks for the advice; good day!
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23:03<ZZYZX>Салам алейкум! Сегодня только установил debian весной 2012 с форточек перешел на мусульманскую версию убунты под назаванием sabily но она перестала обновляться потом обычная ubuntu. сегодня поставил debian а русифицировать систему не могу
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23:17<shams>hello
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23:18<shams>hello Ganneff
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