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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-11-28

---Logopened Thu Nov 28 00:00:53 2013
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00:08<rostam>HI I have created a personal pkg. During installation I have to modify dhcpd.conf file which belong to a different package. What is the proper way of doing this? thx
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00:32<Alexander_Freeman>hi
00:32<Alexander_Freeman>ïðèâåò
00:32<Alexander_Freeman>ðóññêèå åñòü?
00:34<Alexander_Freeman>can you help me?
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00:39<jm_>!ask
00:39<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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02:07<Spock0r>good morning
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03:44<marcello>Ciao a tutti quelli di #debian !
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03:44<marcello_>Ciao a tutti quelli di #debian !
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04:48<nacer>howto get alsamixer working in xfce
04:48<SynrG>how is it failing?
04:49<nacer>i want to switch from Nvidia to my interne intel card audio
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04:58<SynrG>nacer: that tells me what you want to do, but not what is not working when you use alsamixer
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04:59<SynrG>!tell nacer about default alsa
04:59<nacer>commande not found
04:59<nacer>i jsut installe ddebian ; as I have nvidia card , the system think that is my audio card
04:59<SynrG>so install it, right? you can use apt-file search to search for which package provides a command.
04:59<SynrG>alsamixer wouldn't help you anyway
04:59<SynrG>see the factoid i had dpkg bot send you
05:00<SynrG>you want alsa-utils to be able to use alsamixer
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05:01<nacer>he said that i have it
05:01<SynrG>or more precisely, apt-file search bin/alsamixer
05:01<SynrG>alsa-utils: /usr/bin/alsamixer
05:02<SynrG>if you're typing the command 'alsamixer' correctly and it says 'command not found', then you don't have the alsa-utils package installed ...
05:02<nacer>ok
05:02<SynrG>anyway, did you read the 'default alsa' factoid?
05:03<jm_>heh I find it easier to set sound module index instead of asoundrc
05:03<nacer>i m looking
05:03<nacer>thank you
05:03<SynrG>jm_: there's that, too. but that is fussier
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05:04<SynrG>i mean, wrong level of abstraction to my thinking
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05:04<jm_>SynrG: yeah but asoundrc is so poorly documented
05:04<SynrG>in ~/.asoundrc (or /etc/asound.conf) you say exactly what you mean. and you have control over it per user
05:05<SynrG>really? the alsa wiki is decent
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05:06<jm_>it's full of examples etc., that's not a good documentation to me
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05:07<SynrG>http://alsa.opensrc.org/Asoundrc
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05:07<SynrG>"For a detailed description of the syntax of the .asoundrc file, see below and also check out the asoundrc.txt file in the alsa-lib package."
05:08<SynrG>jm_: but yes, i see your point. they could make reference doc more easily accessible. the link from this page to asoundrc.txt is dead :P
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05:09<SynrG>i guess they haven't heard of man pages :p
05:09<SynrG>jm_: sounds like you want to file a wishlist bug ... ;)
05:09<jm_>I see it has improved a lot since I last looked at it, this is OK - I also didn't know about asoundrc.txt.gz (I always looked in different doc dir, not libasound2)
05:11<jm_>I'll check if I can change my module index based setup to this
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06:05<zifr>Hi everyone. :) I have a question about openjdk/jre which I've been confused about for a long time. Using Firefox, I'm not able to use a java applet, which makes the website unusable. I'm running:
06:05<zifr>Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 and have the following installed: default-jre, default-jre-headless, openjdk-6-jre-lib, openjdk-6-headless, icedtea-6-jre-jamvm, openjdk-6-jre, and icedtea-6-jre-cacao.
06:05<zifr>I don't want the proprietary Sun/Oracle java client. What do I have to do to make the web applet work?
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06:07<jm_>zifr: firefox or iceweasel?
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06:08<zifr>My apologies: Iceweasel.
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06:08<jm_>what does this show (use a pastebin): ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so
06:08<jm_>also, is java plugin enabled in your browser?
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06:10<zifr>http://pastebin.com/gtKrkPMS
06:10<zifr>Java Plugin does not appear in my browser.
06:10<jm_>ok so you need to check /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so then
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06:11<jm_>where did you look for it?
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06:11<zifr>In Iceweasel > Addons > Plugins
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06:12<zifr>ls -l /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so
06:12<zifr>/etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so -> /usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so
06:12<jm_>ahh sorry brain fart
06:12<zifr>Well, Flash isn't working in iceweasel either. Perhaps we can go over that afterwards.
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06:12<jm_>I see the problem - you don't have java plugin set so it doesn't find it, set it with update-java-alternatives
06:13<irush>hi
06:13<zifr>usage: update-java-alternatives [--jre-headless] [--jre] [--plugin] [ -t|--test|-v|--verbose]
06:13<zifr>Okay, adding the -a flag executed the command.
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06:14<zifr>The output is a list of errors like: update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for
06:15<jm_>perhaps try using --plugin
06:15<jm_>but IIRC one can ignore errors for other stuff, just check if it set java plugin link
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06:16<zifr>update-java-alternatives --plugin
06:16<zifr>usage: update-java-alternatives [--jre-headless] [--jre] [--plugin] [ -t|--test|-v|--verbose]
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06:16<zifr>Doesn't seem like adding the --plugin switch is complete/correct.
06:17<jm_>you'll need -a still
06:17<zifr>update-java-alternatives --plugin -a
06:17<zifr>update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for mozilla-javaplugin.so
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06:17<jm_>let me check where this should come from
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06:18<zifr>Thanks a million! :)
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06:19<jm_>do you have icedtea-X-plugin installed? X is a number, so dpkg -l|grep icedtea-.-plugin
06:19<zifr>It's not installed. Checking aptitude...
06:20<jm_>install it and it shall work
06:21<zifr>I can't believe I didn't notice that in aptitude! Trying it now...
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06:24<zifr>That did the trick! Thanks so much jm_!
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06:24<jm_>zifr: no worries
06:24<zifr>Apropo, is there a similar fix for flash?
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06:25<zifr>I have browser-plugin-gnash installed...
06:25<jm_>just follow docs from http://wiki.debian.org/Flash
06:26<zifr>Excellent. Have a really nice day, and thanks. I'll remember all of this. :)
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07:17<nocturnal>does anyone know about mysql_config for mariadb on debian?
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07:52<nocturnal>apparently I had the wrong package, libmariadbclient-dev was correct, and also mysqlnd instead of mysql_config
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07:59<garbhad>Hi there
07:59<garbhad>I'm using debian testing
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08:00<garbhad>with slim and awesome wm
08:00<garbhad>but recently slim stopped working
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08:00<garbhad>since I got an updated that installed initd
08:00<Stummi>garbhad, #debian-next
08:00<Stummi>!testing
08:00<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <jessie>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <wheezy->jessie> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
08:00<garbhad>Stummi: thanks!
08:01<Stummi>hm, the factoid should mention the Channel, IMHO
08:01<abrotman>it's in /topic of this channel
08:01<Stummi>ah, right
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08:46<pic01>in Kubuntu 12.04 how can I change my username?
08:47<themill>pic01: #ubuntu is on irc.freenode.net
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08:48<pic01>themill, my Kubuntu question must be asked on ubuntu channel?
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08:48<themill>#ubuntu or #kubuntu, yes
08:51<veindrain>what options do i have for single folder encryption besides ecryptfs, one with gtk or webmin frontend would be welcome too
08:52<lupine>owncloud has encryption ability
08:52<lupine>and you can then access the stuff via webdav
08:52<lupine>not perfect, obviously, but it could be worse
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08:54<veindrain>now you started a fire :) i already have oc installed with encryption. first its too slow at syncing from the client (currently working on it) and second if i cd inside the user folder i can see the file unencrypted (not sure if i have set it up properly though)
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08:55<veindrain>and i dont know if it's slow due to encryption i use both ssl and file system encryption
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08:57<lupine>*shrug*
08:57<lupine>WFM, etc
08:57<lupine>if it's not working for you, there's #owncloud on freenode
08:58<veindrain>already there haven't asked yet :)
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09:07<TobiX>veindrain: There is encfs...
09:09<TobiX>veindrain: But ecryptfs probably has better performance, since it works in-kernel
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09:11<veindrain>well is seems to be one of the most popular out there
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10:55<nadir>salut tout le monde
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12:17<lgp171188>Hi, I have a debian stable installed on my vps server. I was making some changes to exim configuration but since they were causing some issues, I wanted to purge the configuration files and start afresh. Removing the exim package didn't remove the configuration files. So I removed the package and then manually deleted /etc/exim4 and /var/lib/exim. Now on installation I am getting a lot of file not found errors. How to resolve this and revert to the def
12:18<SynrG>!tell lgp171188 about purge
12:18<bhuddah>lgp171188: you don't happen to have a backup, do you?
12:18<sney>!confmiss
12:18<dpkg>You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
12:18<lgp171188>bhuddah: No I don't, I will check the suggestion offered by dpkg.
12:19<SynrG>lgp171188: and in priv msg, an explanation of purge from dpkg bot as well
12:19<SynrG>lgp171188: you ought to have purged the package, not removed it, when you discovered config files were left over
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12:20<SynrG>otherwise you are instructing the package system "I want this package to not have these configuration files, please."
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12:20<lgp171188>This is the error I get when I run the command suggested by dpkg - "E: Internal Error, No file name for exim4-daemon-heavy:i386"
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12:22<SynrG>i really think that if you purged now, all would be well
12:22<SynrG>the problem is, $packagename is the package with damaged conf files
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12:22<SynrG>and that's not necessarily one thing, since packages have deps, and the deps may "own" the conffiles
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12:27<lgp171188>SynrG: I did a purge and tried installing exim4-daemon-light and exim4-daemon-heavy (at 2 different times) but still while setting up the package it tries to call update-exim.conf command which complains about missing files.
12:27<SynrG>you didn't purge everything
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12:27<invitado>hello
12:28<lgp171188>Even running "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall exim4-daemon-heavy" I get the same error.
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12:28<lgp171188>SynrG: By purge you mean aptitude purge right?
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12:28<SynrG>either. aptitude or apt-get. same result
12:28<SynrG>aptitude purge --purge exim would remove exim, purging it and purge all the deps too
12:29<invitado>jejejeje
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12:29<SynrG>but since you already have removed it, this probably won't work now
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12:29<SynrG>purged the top-level, i mean
12:29<lgp171188>I even tried "aptitude purge '~c'" to purge all the removed packages.
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12:30<SynrG>lgp171188: dpkg -S update-exim
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12:30<SynrG>lgp171188: this indicates update-exim is in the exim4-config package
12:30<SynrG>purge that
12:30<SynrG>apparently you didn't purge all the removed packages. :/
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12:30<linuxdevman>ok... I have user and group that exists on the system (clamav is the user) However, it does not show up in my Debian graphical user admin tool. I can modify via command line. But how do I make it appear in the GUI?
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12:31<SynrG>lgp171188: either that or you didn't remove all the packages that needed to be purged :)
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12:31<abrotman>what's the UID of that user?
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12:31<SynrG>linuxdevman: system users are not 'users'
12:31<SynrG>not according to desktop admin tools for managing users
12:32<SynrG>"I can modify via command line." <- do that
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12:33<lgp171188>SynrG: purging exim4-config package which was having the update-exim command seems to have worked. On installing exim4-daemon-heavy, there were no errors about missing files :-D Thank you for your patient help :)
12:33<SynrG>np
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12:34<linuxdevman>Can I make that system usr a normal 'user'?
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12:34<SynrG>why?
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12:35<abrotman>why in the world would you want to run a GUI as the clamav user ..
12:35<linuxdevman>Because I am not the only one that needs to handle this sytem and a GUI is nicer for many users. That's the primary reason.
12:36<linuxdevman>What does it matter? The permissions are and group settings are the same, as long as the do not have login access.
12:36<SynrG>this is the wrong approach. if there's a tool with a gui and it needs special permissions, use normal means for handling that
12:36<SynrG>unix groups, etc.
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12:37<SynrG>or sudo
12:37<sea>synrg eggs
12:37<SynrG>or gksudo
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12:37<linuxdevman>ok...thanks
12:37<SynrG>sea: play elsewhere, please.
12:37<SynrG>maybe #moocows
12:37<sea>the android eggs
12:38<sea>synrg eggs men
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12:38<SynrG>linuxdevman: specifically if you demote a system user to an ordinary user and allow logins, you're probably weakening security of your system in unforeseen ways
12:39*abrotman still doesn't get it ...
12:39<sea>synrg eres puto men
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12:39<abrotman>if you need another user, make another user ...
12:39<abrotman>sea: do you need help ?
12:39<sea>abrotman eggs
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12:39<SynrG>i was going to say. "help in the shape of a foot" ;)
12:39<SynrG>thanks, abrotman
12:39<abrotman>heh
12:40<SynrG>linuxdevman: here's a complete solution i would do if i were in your position. which gui? clamtk? klamav? something else?
12:41<SynrG>linuxdevman: i would make a .desktop file with Exec=gksudo clamtk (use alacarte for this if in GNOME)
12:42<SynrG>linuxdevman: and i would grant permission to execute clamtk as root to selected users.
12:42<SynrG>linuxdevman: then add that desktop to favourites for each user
12:42<linuxdevman>Understood... thank you. Just for clarity of my last comment though. I was NOT allowing login for that user. .. THank you all. I will leave as is and just make a few changes to groups via command line. Have a GREAT day everyone. And thanks for ypour help.
12:42<SynrG>desktop file*
12:43<linuxdevman>Hmm, I will consider that too. not bad
12:43<SynrG>sudo can grant access as 'clamav' user alternatively
12:43<SynrG>if that's all it needs
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12:45<linuxdevman>SynrG: I just need to see which fits the situation best. Great ideas all.
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12:46<SynrG>i have numerous 'a la carte' (pun intended) desktop entries for special purposes such as this. it makes things much kinder to users who like GUIs
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12:48<linuxdevman>SynrG: That is some of what I am considering too....In this case who my 'helper' is going to be. ;-)
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12:48<SynrG>mhm
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12:49<SynrG>linuxdevman: and adopting a uniform solution (/etc/sudoers + gksudo wrapper + desktop file) for all tools has a certain charm. because it won't be the last such utility you'll want to grant access to.
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12:49<SynrG>as opposed to a custom solution per utility
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12:51<linuxdevman>SynrG: I wish your crystal ball to the future was not as accurate as I believe it is.
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12:58<bremner>does ext3 have any stability advantage over ext4 at this point?
12:58<bremner>(this point = wheezy)
12:59<Maulkin>bremner: unknown...
12:59<bremner>fair enough.
12:59<Maulkin>bremner: I'm personally running ext4 on my laptop
12:59<Maulkin>And ext4 on / on my server, and ext3 on /boot on my server
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12:59<Maulkin>So... it's a bit odd.
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13:00<bremner>any compelling reasons to use ext4 for an external volume intended to store backups (with obnam, I think(
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13:04<Maulkin>bremner: Oh, I'd probably just use ext4 for that
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14:09<Kcchouette>Hi, I have a rfkill problem with my wifi, I am on debian testing
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14:12<Kcchouette>Someone asks to me to execute dmesg, so here the result : http://paste.debian.net/68303/
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14:39<petn-randall>Kcchouette: Anything newer than stable is supported in #debian-next
14:40<Kcchouette>ok
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14:40<Kcchouette>thanks
14:40<petn-randall>Kcchouette: See you there :)
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14:46<Gnudnik>I got a new video card to replace my old onboard, Radeon HD7790, but I'm using testing and there isn't a proprietary driver in the repos for it. Should I go to the AMD site and install the driver manually or add the sid repos and try and install the driver in the repos for that or just give up and be satisfied that at least one of my monitors works with the open sources radeon driver then though it is slower than my old HD3200?
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14:49<Gnudnik>Yes, I know, AMD & fglrx are crap, but I got a free card.
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14:52<petn-randall>Gnudnik: Same goes for you, testing and newer are supported in #debian-next. :)
14:52<Gnudnik>Thanks.
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15:18<Elvano>I have both debian 32 bit and 64 bit installed. Somehow the 64 bit version recognises my webcam's microphone while my 32 bit system doesn't. Does anyone know a fix for this?
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15:25<valdyn>Elvano: what *else* is different than the bit count?
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15:27<terrible96>hi i got this error http://pastebin.com/D8qKS3vF when i try to install a packages with aptitude and apt-get said command not found
15:27<terrible96>any help
15:27<Elvano>the 'libpulse0' it seems, valdyn . I had to it onto one of my 64 bit systems to stop skype from crashing and all of a sudden it didn't find it either
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15:27<Elvano>had to install the 32bit verion of it*
15:27<valdyn>terrible96: your sudo might not do what you think it does. Are you using sudo?
15:28<valdyn>Elvano: no, thats not it
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15:28<terrible96>valdyn, no i using root
15:28<valdyn>terrible96: run "echo $PATH" and show us the output
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15:29<valdyn>terrible96: nevermind, your perl is broken
15:29<abrotman>terrible96: why are you using squeeze?
15:29<terrible96>valdyn, /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
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15:29<valdyn>terrible96: how did you break your perl?
15:29<terrible96>valdyn, i dont know
15:29<valdyn>terrible96: it sure as hell does not break itself
15:29<abrotman>mixing versions of Debian?
15:30<ompaul>abrotman: that would be an easy fix :)
15:30<valdyn>terrible96: you cant fix this within the debian package management
15:30<terrible96>valdyn, i have problem with the hard drive often i have to run fsck to fix the system
15:30<valdyn>terrible96: that could be the cause
15:30<valdyn>terrible96: get a new disk
15:31<terrible96>valdyn, so how can i fix the perl problem??
15:31<valdyn>terrible96: the theoretical way to fix your broken perl is by putting all missing or broken files manually in their place
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15:31<valdyn>terrible96: *maybe* dpkg -x can do that for you, that would be easy
15:31<valdyn>terrible96: see the manpage on what that does
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15:32<terrible96>valdyn, and why apt-get doesnt work
15:32<valdyn>terrible96: because your perl is broken
15:32<abrotman>why is the perl broken?
15:33<terrible96>valdyn, so dpkg -x what else??
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15:34<terrible96>i a beginner in linux
15:34<valdyn>terrible96: that is why im thinking you should not fix this but get a new harddisk and reinstall
15:34<valdyn>terrible96: (if the disk *really* is broken)
15:34<petn-randall>!bat
15:34<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
15:34<abrotman>why is he using squeeze?
15:34<petn-randall>^^ terrible96
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15:35<terrible96>valdyn, ok i see another questions there are a channel for debian-squeeze??
15:36<valdyn>terrible96: its ok to use squeeze and it supported here
15:36<valdyn>terrible96: but installing squeeze a short time before its no longer supported is at least questionable
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15:37<valdyn>terrible96: and if on top of that youre saying that youre a beginner, then you probably dont know what youre doing and should not be using squeeze
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15:38<terrible96>ok
15:39<valdyn>bank holiday in the U.S. today, what is it?
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15:41<zykotick9>valdyn: american thanksgiving
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15:43<valdyn>thanks
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15:48<hmamouchi>Hi
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16:32<Elvano>I've been trying to disable the alt+rmb shortkey as I wish to use it on blender. I looked at the 'keyboard' settings under 'shortcuts' 'windows', but there is no such shortcut there
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16:35<zykotick9>Elvano: sorry, i'm no help, but what is rmb?
16:35<Elvano>right mouse button, zykotick9
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16:35<zykotick9>ahhh
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16:40<petn-randall>Elvano: Which release and which desktop environment are you using?
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16:43<t0ke>When I try and open a text file (from filezilla for example), it tries to open it in traverso. How can I stop it from doing this?
16:43<t0ke>I'd like text files to open in gedit
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16:44<prob>does anyone tried compile hexchat? i'm getting Warning: The GTK (GUI) frontend will not be built.any ideas? (libgtk-3-dev is already the newest version)
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16:44<sney>prob, you need the build dependencies. if you build it from a debianized source there will be a list already prepared for you
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16:46<t0ke>When I go in a txt files properties, it says gedit is default
16:46<t0ke>But they keep opening in traverso
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16:51<t0ke>Urgh nevermind. Just going to uninstall traverso
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16:51<valdyn>!mailcap
16:52<t0ke>Not sure why an operating system would default to opening text files in audio recording software..
16:52<valdyn>t0ke: some programs use /etc/mailcap
16:52<t0ke>!mailcap
16:52<valdyn>t0ke: thats was me querying the bot
16:53<valdyn>t0ke: what was the suffix of that file? .txt?
16:53<t0ke>yes, .txt
16:53<t0ke>I've looked in /etc/mailcap but it doesn't mention traverso anywhere
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16:55<otak>xdg-mime
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16:55<valdyn>otak: where is it configured?
16:56<otak>don't know, xdg-mime query filetype <file> , tells you the mimetype of the file
16:56<valdyn>otak: yea, i just saw its just a tool for querying
16:57<otak>also see xdg-mime default <app> <mimetype>
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16:59<valdyn>I have a bluetooth audio device (a2dp). Its disconnecting itself and giving weird delays. The devie is fine. Is that part of bluetooth generally crappy in debian or in linux?
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17:11<prob>sney, can you be a bit more specific? I mean about hexchat
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17:12<t0ke>Is there a way to make the top bar go away when I'm playing minecraft fullscreen
17:12<t0ke>(I'm using gnome)
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17:17<prob>I was trying to compile hexchat and getting Warning: The GTK (GUI) frontend will not be built. Any idea?.
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17:17<abrotman>why would you? it's already packaged in Debian
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17:18<prob>abrotman, are you talking to me?
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17:23<abrotman>yes
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17:25<prob>abrotman, i mean Hexchat not xchat, if you mean about .deb on their website those are old libperl 5.14 needed
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17:28<abrotman>so use xchat?
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17:30<prob>abrotman, I'm using xchat for long time just thinking to move to hexchat
17:30<t0ke>How can I hide the top bar in gnome when I maximize games?
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17:32<abrotman>prob: okay, then ask them how to compile it
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17:34<prob>abrotman, yeah that i'll do
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17:41<prob>I found it hexchat need libgtk2.0-dev and not 3 :)
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17:52<Elvano>I'm using debian 7 wheezy Gnome3 Environement, petn-randall
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18:09<t0ke>I'm trying to install an extension for gnome
18:09<t0ke>But when I click 'off' to 'on' nothing happens
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18:11<Elvano>What extension, t0ke ?
18:11<t0ke>https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/545/hide-top-bar/
18:11<usercensored>Do you have "gnome-shell-integration" as one of your browser add-ons?
18:12<t0ke>I need it cause when I fullscreen minecraft the top black bar is in the way
18:12<t0ke>usercensored: Yes, Gnome Shell Integration shows up in about:plugins in Firefox
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18:13<Elvano>what version of gnome are you using?
18:14<usercensored>This has happened to me but I can't remember what I did. You have gnome-tweak-tool installed, right? Shown as "tweak tool" or "advanced settings" in your gui apps list
18:14<t0ke>Elvano: Unsure, whichever version comes with Wheezy 7
18:14<t0ke>usercensored: Yes, I've opened it
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18:15<t0ke>The 'hide top bar' extension isn't there though
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18:16<usercensored>If your using iceweasel, try menu > help > restart in safe mode if you want to see if it's add-on related or something
18:17<zykotick9>t0ke: fyi, i've seen that issue with gnome... my solution was "stop using gnome" YMMV
18:17<t0ke>usercensored: I've tried doing it in Chromium, but that doesn't work either
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18:18<t0ke>I've used extensions before, but for some reason they've stopped working
18:18<usercensored>Gnome gets cool at 3.6 and up, I love it :) I actually just left Wheezy for that reason, even though I love stable... I'm on sid now.
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18:19<usercensored>Does it say it can't detect your extension on the gnome website in a banner at the top? Or does it not say that?
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18:19<Elvano>afaik gnome loses the categories in 3.x and that's why I didn't want to upgrade
18:20<t0ke>This is the second problem I've had today on Debian, and I only solved the first one by uninstall something
18:20<t0ke>I'd rather not do it again
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18:21<usercensored>They kind of exist up through 3.4, but 3.6 really focuses you on typing in the first letter or two of what you want, and hitting enter, rather than browsing
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18:24<t0ke>I've reset gnome settings. Gonna restart my computer and see if it helped, otherwise I'm switching to something else
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18:24<abrotman>t0ke: there is more than one nevermind
18:24<usercensored>lol
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18:30<usercensored>t0ke: are you a standard user on your desktop, not an admin?
18:30<t0ke>No, admin
18:31<t0ke>I can turn off and on already installed extensions it seems
18:32<usercensored>Some guy from june had this issue on a forum, and fixed it but turning off the browser plugin, restarting browser, turning on plugin, restarting browser... Just some voodoo to try
18:32<t0ke>But with others, it offers me the chance to install, I click install. It then says it is on until I refresh the page
18:32<t0ke>Seems unlikely to work sicne the same issue occurs in chromium, but I'll try :)
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18:32<t0ke>brb
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18:34<t0ke>Nope, that hasn't worked either.
18:34<t0ke>God damnit, so much effort just to make sure this bar doesn't show in-game
18:34<abrotman>t0ke: there is more than one nevermind
18:34<abrotman>uh
18:34<abrotman>t0ke: there is more than one plugin to hide that
18:34<t0ke>I would rather not have to play it on windows
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18:35<t0ke>Yeah, it doesn't seem to be installing any extension though
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18:35<t0ke>Sec, I'll try with some more
18:35<usercensored>Are you willing to give up and manually install the plugin? It won't be automatic then
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18:36<t0ke>Ooo, other extensions seem to be working
18:36<t0ke>They don't ask the 'Do you want to install "plugin" from gnome extensions?" after I click on
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18:37<abrotman>glad we could solve that ..
18:37<t0ke>They just work
18:37<abrotman>t0ke: which browser?
18:37<usercensored>haha, yeah, that should've been a base we covered
18:37<t0ke>Firefox
18:37<t0ke>abrotman: You mentioned other extensions that hide the top bar in Gnome?
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18:39<abrotman>extensions.gonome.org you can search
18:39<abrotman>gnome
18:39<t0ke>(I mean the bar that says 'activities' on the left and the day/time at the top
18:39<t0ke>I've done a search for 'hide top bar', but that's the only one I can see :S
18:39<t0ke>I'll look more
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18:41<t0ke>What's the official name for the top bar?
18:41<t0ke>Might improve my search
18:41<usercensored>gnome 3 menu bar??? my best guess lol
18:42<usercensored>restrict search to past year
18:44<t0ke>On the 15th page of the search with no luck
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18:44<t0ke>urgh
18:44<usercensored>Oooo "gnome panel"
18:44<usercensored>Since gnome 3, I dont' think of it as a panel, but thats what you'd search
18:45<abrotman>hide taskbar
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18:47<t0ke>None of them hide the top bar
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18:47<t0ke>Most of the search results aren't even remotely related to the bar
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18:48<usercensored>I've seen people in forums have success with extensions. I wonder if they just meant the one that is broken now lol
18:48<usercensored>You should try manually installing that one
18:48<usercensored>You download it, drop it in a specific folder, and manage in tweak-tool
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18:49<t0ke>okay, i'll do that
18:49<abrotman>"hide taskbar"
18:49<EsotericForest>Anyone here familiar with greylisting on mail servers? What are your thoughts on enabling/disabling it? If you've disabled it, have you found spam to be pretty bad?
18:50<abrotman>EsotericForest: which type?
18:50<t0ke>I've tried "hide taskbar", still doesn't give any better search results
18:50<EsotericForest>This is part of the iRedMail package for a full mail server, I believe it uses policyd
18:50<t0ke>The "hide top bar" seems to be the only extension that does this
18:51<EsotericForest>Seems neat, but the email delay can be a bit annoying or problematic, I'm afraid some websites that send automatic confirmation emails will see the "email deferred" response and not resend the email correctly.
18:51<abrotman>wrong ..
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18:51<abrotman>EsotericForest: it can be annoying, but if it's legit mail, they should try again
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18:53<EsotericForest>right. I'd think the major business sites I'd use would be using standards-compliant MTAs, but maybe that's just a hope :P
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18:53<EsotericForest>It might be slow-going for awhile since its a personal mail server and im the only one using it
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18:55<usercensored>I'm thinking about making SSH on an old iBook running an OwnCloud server, and another laptop with personal desktop stuff, public for the first time. I already know to minimize firewall openings and rate limit, to authorize with keys only... anything else?
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19:00<sney>usercensored: use a nonstandard ssh port and don't do anything that might make you a target
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19:02<usercensored>thx
19:02<EsotericForest>might not hurt to make sure you have a non-root account that can use root just fine then disable root login
19:02<EsotericForest>including sney's suggestion of nonstandard ssh
19:02<usercensored>OH yeah, forgot about that existing. thx
19:03<EsotericForest>yup
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19:22<william_>I've used the cpio method in the past to move /home to a partition. It worked fine. Reading again as I am preparing to move /usr to a partition. I found one where rsync is recommend and specifically states it was chosen over the cpio method. Also one cpio method uses --sparse, which I find odd. Any thoughts?
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19:28<t0ke>I've had to manually install a Gnome Extension. I did it using the following commands http://pastebin.com/pZYQD9SA
19:28<t0ke>It seemed to work fine, but the extension is not installed. What did I do wrong?
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19:55<petn-randall>,v idetea-netx
19:55<judd>No package named 'idetea-netx' was found in i386.
19:55<petn-randall>,v icedtea-netx
19:55<judd>Package: icedtea-netx on i386 -- jessie: 1.3.2-1; wheezy: 1.3.2-1; wheezy-security: 1.4-3~deb7u2; sid: 1.4.1-1
19:56<petn-randall>^^^ interestingly, the wheezy version is higher than the one in jessie or sid.
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20:06<chealer>petn-randall: sid's version is higher than wheezy's
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20:42<jumpmans>hello
20:42<jumpmans>knock knock.
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20:58<KittenGNU>Hey I'm running Debian Sid and I'm unable to install the latests version of Iceweasel from the mozilla repostitory
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21:18<KittenGNU>Anyone here?
21:19<SynrG>no
21:19<KittenGNU>aww
21:19<SynrG>!ask
21:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
21:19<KittenGNU>SynrG: I did ask my question
21:19<KittenGNU>but I realize now that it might be wrong channel
21:19<KittenGNU>Because I use sid
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21:20<SynrG>!bat
21:20<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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22:40<SilverSlimer>hey guys, I've asked this in the past but I just reinstalled debian and am wondering how i did it before
22:40<SilverSlimer>how do i remove packages from kde-standard without removing kde-standard, stuff like juk for instance?
22:41<SilverSlimer>i know i can unmarkauto with aptitude but apparently i'm doing it completely wrong
22:45<Nemoder>kde-standard is a meta package, it should do no harm to remove it
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22:45<SilverSlimer>what about task-kde-desktop?
22:46<abrotman>he's saying if he removes it, it takes many other auto installed packages also
22:46<abrotman>dpkg: tell SilverSlimer about remove rhythmbox
22:46<abrotman>SilverSlimer: adapt to your needs
22:46<SilverSlimer>actually, i think i realized what i did wrong
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22:47<SilverSlimer>should i just remove kde-standard and task-kde-desktop and then set everything it automatically tries to remove as manual?
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22:48<abrotman>read wha tthe bot told you
22:49<SilverSlimer>ok, it's pretty much saying what i thought
22:49<SilverSlimer>i'll try it now.
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22:49<Nikon>hi
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22:51<Nikon>If anyone could help me with some driver issues it would be greatly appreciated
22:51<Nikon>I compiled the driver but i just can't figure out where it goes.....
22:52<abrotman>vague!
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22:53<Nikon>heh
22:54<Nikon>the doc calls for me to move it to /etc/Wireless/RT2860STA/RT2860ST
22:54<Nikon>when i try to move it as root i get this tho
22:54<Nikon>cp: cannot create regular file `/etc/Wireless/RT2860STA/RT2860STA.dat': No such file or directory
22:55<abrotman>sure, do those direcdtories exist?
22:55<Nikon>nope
22:56<Nemoder>are you trying to customize a special driver or just get the hardware working?
22:57<Nikon>just trying to get the hardware working
22:57<Nikon>using lan is a pain for me atm
22:57<Nemoder>might be better off installing firmware-ralink package then
22:57<abrotman>just create the directories
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22:58<Nikon>Nemoder: already tried but nothing is showing up
22:58<Nikon>do i need to cycle for the device to come online
22:58<Nikon>?
23:00<Nemoder>that might be easiest. are you sure the package installed ok? did you add non-free to sources?
23:00<Nikon>yuppers
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23:03<Nikon>Nemoder: http://i.imgur.com/vE78tSe.png
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23:03<Nikon>also, does debian use gnome 3?
23:04<Nemoder>Nikon: if you've restarted or reloaded the kernel module check dmesg and see if it has problems with that device
23:04<Nikon>wait
23:04<Nikon>i can just reload the kernal without restarting?
23:05<Nikon>heheh
23:05<Nikon>brb
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23:12<Nikon>back
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23:13<Nikon>Nemoder: no luck
23:13<Nikon>http://i.imgur.com/hGycmgM.jpg
23:13<Nikon>this happened tho
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23:19<Nikon>any ideas guys?
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23:21<Nemoder>is there any output for the device in dmesg? is the module loaded?
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23:25<Nikon>dmesg
23:27<Nikon>http://paste.debian.net/683a78/
23:27<Nikon>something like that?
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23:28<Nikon>also, when i go in to advanced settings there's a caution sign beside shell theme
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23:48<Nikon>guys>
23:49<Nikon>anyone around?
23:49<leoslax>Hello Nikon
23:49<Nikon>hey there
23:50<Nikon>would you be able to help me>
23:50<Nikon>?
23:50<leoslax>may be! what's the problem?
23:50<Nikon>my wifi driver
23:51<leoslax>oh great problem!
23:51<Nikon>XD
23:51<leoslax>do you know what driver do you need?
23:51<Nikon>i used the binary package that debian has
23:51<Nikon>Ralink
23:51<Nikon>3290 i think
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23:51<Nikon>here is the dmsg
23:51<Nikon>http://paste.debian.net/68378/
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23:52<leoslax>let me see
23:52<Nikon>(entire one)
23:52<Nikon>http://paste.debian.net/68379/
23:52<leoslax>wow! your grep is so long!
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23:53<leoslax>dmsg* no grep xD
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23:54<leoslax>i'm traying to say that you whould be tray use grep in your dmsg
23:54<gsimmons>Nikon: It's likely you will need a later Linux kernel version, for support of your wireless LAN device. Does the command "lspci -nn -d1814:" return any output?
23:54<leoslax>do you understand me?
23:54<Nikon>ahh
23:55<Nikon>sorry, was looking away from my client for sec
23:56<Nikon>gsimmons: 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Ralink corp. Device [1814:3290] 03:00.1 Bluetooth [0d11]: Ralink corp. Device [1814:3298]
23:56<gsimmons>dpkg: rt3290
23:56<dpkg>The Ralink RT3290 is a PCIe 802.11n and Bluetooth 3.0 + HS device. Its wireless LAN component (PCI ID 1814:3290) is supported by <rt2800pci> since Linux 3.6. Firmware is required and packaged since firmware-ralink 0.37. Debian 7 "Wheezy" users: ask me about <bdo kernel> and install firmware-ralink from <wheezy-backports>.
23:57<Nikon>so i do have to use backports?
23:58<gsimmons>Nikon: Yes, I very much doubt the obsolete rt2860sta driver has support for your device. Ask the dpkg infobot for more information (/msg dpkg bdo kernel). You will also need to install the firmware-ralink package from wheezy-backports ('apt-get -t wheezy-backports install firmware-ralink').
23:58<leoslax>have you ever try non-free packages?
23:59-!-leoslax [~leoslax@0001bec0.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
23:59<Nikon>yea i got the non-free on here
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