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00:02<themill>drake: depends on the elvel of complexity and sophistication you want. things like maxima and axiom are ok for symbolic algebra. octave or numpy/scipy for numerical work. Then there's R which a lot of people love
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00:03<drake>whats the web addy for R?
00:03<themill>,i r-base
00:03<judd>Package r-base (gnu-r, optional) in wheezy/i386: GNU R statistical computation and graphics system. Version: 2.15.1-4; Size: 35.9k; Installed: 47k; Homepage:; Screenshot:
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00:25<drake>themill, what do you know of sympy?
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00:37<themill>drake: it works well for what it does (embedding symbolic algebra in python) but it's a bit cumbersome compared to other symbolic algebra packages
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00:45<drake>k, thx
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02:34<prasad>how do i get gnome 3.8 in debian wheezy ?and if i add the jessie source to sources.list then would i get gnome 3.8 automatically?
02:37<eezlf>aptitude install gnome3
02:37<eezlf>try it!
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02:47<prasad>root@debian:/home/asus# aptitude install gnome3
02:47<prasad>Couldn't find package "gnome3". However, the following
02:47<prasad>packages contain "gnome3" in their name:
02:47<prasad> gnome3-session
02:47<prasad>Couldn't find package "gnome3". However, the following
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03:20<SamB>that must mean "hello" in russian
03:21<SamB>because I just saw the same exact string in a little doodle in ##C++-general ...
03:21<SamB>(on freenode)
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04:11<ivanoov_>hi :)
04:11<Guest7463>Hello, my graphics card was not automatically detected and configured using debian, but works fine via Lubuntu; How can I get said graphics card up and running?
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04:20<YaMoonSun>How do I acquire the firmware to run my graphics card properly?
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05:16<Eco>YaMoonSun: What kind of videocard do you have ?
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05:29<timbermaniac>is it "wrong" to have a CA on a subdomain issue certs for its parent domain? Or is there nothing wrong with that?
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05:46<styx-tdo_>timbermaniac: er.. by definition a CA does not have any "associated " domain
05:47<styx-tdo_>so, the concept of a "CA on a subdomain" is a bit confusing?
05:48<styx-tdo_>a CA has no ties to DNS at all; it's certifcates. for code, for domain, mail addresses,...
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05:54<timbermaniac>styx-tdo_: thanks for the clarification
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06:33<ahmed>How can I find the appropriate drivers for my ATI Radeon Express 1250?
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06:39<ahmed>Is there a possible way to pull packages from lenny on wheezy?
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06:40<Sicelo>why would you want to do that?
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06:41<ahmed>ATI x1250 is only supported in catalyst driver 9-3
06:41<ahmed>which is from the Lenny release
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06:43<ahmed>the free drivers won't run gnome and I can't afford downloading a new DE
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06:46<SynrG>ahmed: is this something you determined by experimentation, or can you cite a URL where it explains this issue?
06:46<SynrG>going forward, rather than backward, is preferable.
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06:46<SynrG>so, typically one would seek a backport of a driver with a fix
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06:47<ahmed>It says the latest drivers no longer support my card
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06:47<ahmed>the newest driver that supports my card is the one in lenny
06:47<SynrG>it says "If you really need ...". what makes you think you really need it?
06:47<SynrG>why not simply use the free driver?
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06:48<ahmed>Won't get me into Gnome
06:48<SynrG>on not even a backport of the latest free driver?
06:48<SynrG>also, there is gnome classic for this kind of hardware.
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06:48<ahmed>I'm not sure about that, but I do remember managing to get it to work on Squeeze
06:49<SynrG>i think even if you had acceleration you would not be entirely happy with performance of gnome-shell
06:49<SynrG>oh, well, if you had it on squeeze and are happy
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06:49<VoobOfDoom>anyone knows how to enable xkb/xinput support for vnc4server package? it looks like it was built without it
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06:49<ahmed>I wasn't exactly happy, but preferred it over Gnome classic
06:50<ahmed>It's all temporary anyways, since I'll be changing the DE once the next month of my internet plan starts
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06:50<SynrG>did you try alternatives? xfce4?
06:50<SynrG>i think running a driver from an older release is a bad idea from a support point of view, even if you somehow manage to get it to work.
06:51<ahmed>I'm going with Mate, but stuck with what I have for a week or two
06:51<SynrG>it is preferable to switch desktops now
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06:51<SynrG>use gnome classic or xfce4
06:51<ahmed>I'll just use gnome classic for now
06:51<SynrG>also, mate is not supported here on wheezy.
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06:51<SynrG>nor will it ever be
06:51<SynrG>so xfce4 is your best bet for support
06:51<ahmed>yeah, but it's rare that I ever face a DE specific problem
06:52<SynrG>tough. you have *ancient* hardware
06:52<SynrG>change your expectations :)
06:52<SynrG>modern desktops expect your hardware is at least ~6 or so years old. not 10 or more
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06:53<ahmed>Btw someone suggested the free drivers might not be working best because I haven't installed the non-free firmware
06:53<SynrG>so why don't you try that first?
06:53<SynrG>i use the free drivers and have 3D on my radeon
06:53<SynrG>it's a low-end radeon and i can play 3D games on it
06:53<ahmed>Yes, I'll try that
06:53<ahmed>but... how?
06:54<ahmed>apt-get install nonfree-firmware?
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06:54<ahmed>I found a wikipage
06:55<SynrG>there you go. :) it's not so hard. you make sure non-free is in your sources and install firmware-linux-nonfree
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06:57<ahmed>After installing firmware-linux-nonfree
06:57<ahmed>do I need to do this
06:57<SynrG>did you switch to fglrx already?
06:58<SynrG>if you're not already on fglrx, you don't need to edit. xorg will simply autoconfigure to use the radeon driver
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06:58<SynrG>the information on that page is probably out of date
06:59<SynrG>actually, no. Looking at Info, it looks quite up to date
06:59<ahmed>I installed the latest fglrx and created a config file which broke my xorg
06:59<SynrG>so you're welcome to try anything else there
06:59<ahmed>removed and the driver
06:59<SynrG>so what does your xorg.conf and/or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/* look like now?
06:59<ahmed>and now installing the non-free firmware for the free driver
06:59<ahmed>I'll have a look
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07:00<SynrG>normally simply letting xorg autoconfigure and having the non-free driver (including kernel modules) purged is sufficient to make it work. xorg.conf would only be needed to turn on various options
07:00<SynrG>i.e. "don't use xorg.conf" is the normal, preferred way with free drivers
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07:01<ahmed>in /etc/X11/ there is no xorg.conf
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07:02<ahmed>and neither in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
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07:02<SynrG>the 3D performance tips are questionable
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07:02<SynrG>XAA is an obsolete acceleration architecture. i'm not sure why, if EXA is default, falling back to XAA should work better ...
07:03<SynrG>the other options may work well for the author's specific hardware but not yours. who knows.
07:03<ahmed>Well, if you can tell me which ones are the solid ones, if any are
07:03<SynrG>not really.
07:03<ahmed>darn it
07:03<SynrG>that's the sort of thing you would figure out by experimentation of your own.
07:03<SynrG>only *you* know *your* hardware
07:03<SynrG>i don't have it
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07:04<SynrG>read the man page for each option. read and understand what it does ...
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07:04<SynrG>then try each one, doing performance tests for what you want to measure for each one.
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07:04<ahmed>Well, will creating xorg.conf and adding the first box be needed?
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07:04<ahmed>now that I installed the non-free firmware
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07:05<SynrG>I have absolutely no idea why that is there.
07:05<SynrG>it makes no sense to me.
07:05<ahmed>So... unneeded?
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07:05<ahmed>Also, why not edit it?
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07:05<ahmed>Isn't it a wikipage?
07:05<SynrG>this is a clue "xorg.conf does not exist in Squeeze and Sid"
07:05<SynrG>Squeeze and Sid in the same breath?
07:05<SynrG>sounds like very old information to me
07:06<SynrG>on a wheezy system you do not need to tell Xorg which free driver to use. it will autoconfigure without xorg.conf.
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07:06<SynrG>"why not edit it?" (why not edit what?)
07:06<ahmed>Maybe someone halfassed updated it?
07:06<SynrG>well, most editors are conservative
07:07<SynrG>they add information they know about. they leave information they're not sure about alone.
07:07<SynrG>so over time, wiki pages accumulate cruft
07:08<ahmed>this part seems odd too
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07:08<ahmed>shouldn't I have xserver-xorg-core if I'm editing xorg config files?
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07:10<ahmed>Well, reboot time, I guess
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07:15<ahmed>SynrG: Yeah, it didn't work
07:15<ahmed>oh well
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07:18<SynrG>ahmed: describe "didn't work"
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07:18<ahmed>Oh, I meant Gnome 3 still sends me to classic mode
07:19<SynrG>ahmed: we need to see your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (of course, if gnome-shell doesn't work, login to gnome classic)
07:19<SynrG>"send you to", even though you select gnome shell from the graphical login menu?
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07:24<throwawayname>hi guys, I need help with something
07:25<throwawayname>Do you know of any socket AM3+ motherboards that are either efi with legacy boot support, or have a BIOS instead of an efi?
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07:26<SynrG>no, but i have a drive with EFI on a motherboard without such support.
07:26<SynrG>i just don't boot from it
07:26<SynrG>seemed the simplest solution
07:27<SynrG>(zero cost to me since i still had a functional non-EFI old drive)
07:27<throwawayname>that could work
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07:28<throwawayname>what bootloader do you use? grub2?
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07:50<zorak>anybody home?
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07:51<zorak>hi bilbo
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08:10<ahmed>SynrG: Sorry, there was an electricity blackout
08:10<SynrG>ahmed: fun times
08:10<SynrG>08:19 < SynrG> "send you to", even though you select gnome shell from the graphical login menu?
08:11<ahmed>It used to do that, this time I rebooted it just got stuck on the wallpaper and nothing showed up until I gave up
08:12<ahmed>I'll just stick with classic, which if I'm not mistaken seems to be smoother now
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08:23<SynrG>ahmed: ah. so it actually will start gnome-shell. it might be interesting to play with that and see if you could ever solve it ...
08:24<SynrG>but if you have lost patience with the exercise, maybe not :)
08:25<ahmed>I'd normally keep hammering it until it works, but I simply don't like Gnome3 and will be replacing it eventually even if it works
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10:34<Tico_>Hey guys
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10:34<Tico_>When you install debian on usb media do you have to add extra options?
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10:35<Tico_>mine is not booting gone trough grub and stuck at ¨Loading, please wait...¨
10:36<lugal>I tried to install debian by using the commands from this website but it doesnt work, what can I do?
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10:56<dpkg>The Installation Guide for Debian 7 "Wheezy" can be found at . See also <errata>, <release notes>.
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10:59<Kebianizao>anyone could point me where I could learn about adding polkit additional rules
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10:59<Kebianizao>More specifically I've written one to avoid asking for root pass when hibernating but it's not working. I'd like to debug it
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11:02<prasselpikachu>hey guys
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11:03<prasselpikachu>is the guy who helped me half a week ago still in here?
11:03<prasselpikachu>(that issue with NME and stuff)
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11:08<mgv>!ask prasselpikachu
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11:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
11:08<prasselpikachu>i'll retell the story
11:09<prasselpikachu>i've got a dell optiplex sx280 with debian 7
11:09<abrotman>"the guy" is vague :)
11:09<ompaul>keep it on one line keep typing, tell the story in one go, hit enter once and get there in one shot.
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11:10<ompaul>if it is a very long story type it up on
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11:10<ompaul>abrotman: no paste in topic?
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11:10<ompaul>well there is but ...
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11:11<prasselpikachu>randomly an error occurs (mostly during startup) saying "NMI: PCI system error (SERR) for reason a1 (b1 appeared once too) on CPU 0\nkernel dazed and confused, but trying to continue." also networking won't work, it even gets an IP and stuff, but randomly hexdumps to the log, while not working
11:12<prasselpikachu>NIC is a Broadcom one (kernel module tg3)
11:12<darokthar>amphi the freeze reboot problem with the battery from yesterday really seems to have come from fuse-fs
11:12<darokthar>and the fstab entry
11:13<prasselpikachu>ha, got it just naild on the screen
11:13<prasselpikachu>tg3 0000:02:00.0: eth0: DMA status error. resetting chip
11:13<prasselpikachu>then the nmi stuff
11:13<prasselpikachu>some asm code dump
11:14<prasselpikachu>and now the hexdumps from tg3
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11:14<prasselpikachu>dma error again, then cpu stuck for 23s, call trace with code, now hexdumps again, and then normal boot
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11:15<prasselpikachu>cant reach the machine
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11:17<abrotman>looked for a bios update?
11:17<prasselpikachu>yeah, there indeed was one
11:17<prasselpikachu>but didnt help
11:17<prasselpikachu>RAM is ok too, just checked with memtest
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11:20<prasselpikachu>also, regarding the NIC, i installed a nonfree firmware for it because of some missing firmware complaints
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11:20<prasselpikachu>great, now it hanged and dumped some hex stuff right in my face. again.
11:20<prasselpikachu>hangs again
11:21<prasselpikachu>any ideas?
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11:30<prasselpikachu>brb in ~15 min
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12:06<prasselpikachu>um... anyone got a solution?
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12:07<sney>did you try disabling the apic like i suggested last time
12:07<prasselpikachu>oh, wait, how do i do that again
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12:08<sajjadg>hey guys. I downloaded netinst iso twice today and both time the md5sum don't match.
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12:08<prasselpikachu>sney: how do i do that again
12:08<sney>prasselpikachu, you add 'noapic nolapic' to the kernel line in grub
12:08<prasselpikachu>oh ok
12:09<sajjadg>47947beec244962ed58a3493ac64441d debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
12:09<sajjadg>and one from site md5sum list is: 9377ed0d64c52f4341aade92d0b07075 debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
12:10<sajjadg>anybody can check it please?
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12:10<sajjadg>I also got daily build twice and they didn't match too
12:11<prasselpikachu>sney: nope, NMI stuff still appearing
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12:11<prasselpikachu>(added it to the line beginning with "linux"
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12:13<abrotman>sajjadg: so use the stable installer
12:13<sajjadg>I don't want to :-/
12:14<sajjadg>I have it. but I wanted to install testing
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12:14<prasselpikachu>(whoops, wrong keyboard)
12:15<sajjadg>I installed stable and then changed source.list to testing
12:15<sajjadg>it wanted to get 180-200MB (the size of netinst :P )
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12:22<prasselpikachu>um btw, is there a reason why it cant write stuff to usb sticks even on root?
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12:26<nadir>Still getting this error: "scripts/mod/empty.c:1:0: error: CPU you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set"
12:27<nadir>This time i made sure i downloaded both from:
12:27<valdyn>nadir: so maybe your cpu really does not support x86-64?
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12:27<nadir>It sure does.
12:27<valdyn>nadir: how do you know?
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12:27<nadir>because i run it all the time?
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12:28<nadir>ups, wrong channel. Sorry. duh
12:28<valdyn>yea, i just noticed
12:28<nadir>lol. sorry
12:30<prasselpikachu>hm, found something called openimpi
12:30<prasselpikachu>will try that
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13:18<apoc_>can anyone help me, locking my screen whenever I hibernate/suspend?
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13:24<apoc_>huh.. not much going on here.. my first time here with irssi
13:24<sney>tends to be more active during the week
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13:26<apoc_>I see
13:26<sney>I haven't dealt with any screen locker issues in a long time but if you have xscreensaver installed it may be easier to configure. maybe.
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13:37<apoc_>i use xscreensaver, but the lock after hibernation appears a few seconds after x started again, or not at all
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13:51<prasad>how to upgrade to jessi testing
13:52<sney>dpkg: wheezy->jessie
13:52<dpkg>First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like wheezy-updates and backports, and change wheezy to jessie. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while.
13:52<musca>prasad: calm down, read the topic
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13:55<apoc_>how can I have my session locked before hibernating/suspending?
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13:55<fayard>Hi. I am looking for some help on internet sharing using Debian 7.2.
13:56<awal>prasad: check this and this and clear your mind :)
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13:57<prasad>ok,i am reading this first and then moving ahead,thanks
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14:30<johannes_>Hi. After installing a 3.10 kernel from wheezy-backports, the sound is constantly crackling on this laptop. I already turned all controls a bit below max. to rule out oversteer.
14:30<johannes_>What can I do?
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14:31<sney>check the bug reports for that kernel to see if anyone else has experienced the issue/found a workaround
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14:51<dpkg>Network Address Translation (NAT) modifies IP address information in packet headers during transit across a router. IP masquerading is a form of NAT. Install the <iptables> package, then read and for more information. Related Debian packages include <arno-iptables-firewall>, <ferm>, <iptables-persistent>.
14:51<valdyn>fayard: ^^
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14:52<valdyn>fayard: you want "ip masquerading", see above
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15:02<awal>johannes_: i had the same problem when i upgraded my kernel in Wheezy from 3.2 to 3.8... I had problem with backlight too...
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15:18<Guest7523>hi all i used ubuntu for a long time but new to debian and was just checking things out
15:19<sney>ok, do you have a support question or are you just saying hi?
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15:24<Guest7523>sorry i was looking at channels
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15:26<Guest7523>i have a million questions, most are just about preferences
15:27<Guest7523>whats a good windows manager
15:27<sney>they are all "good" in some way, it depends on what you prefer
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15:28<Guest7523>i was looking at enlightenment but its not on debian anymore
15:28<Omur>acemi birine yol gösterecek yokmu laa
15:29<stderr_dk>Omur: In english, please...
15:29<Omur>no speak inglishh Im soryy
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15:30<stderr_dk>Guest7523: Personally, I prefer xfwm4.
15:30<Guest7523>will enlightenment work if i build from source
15:31<devil_>Guest7523: you would probably have to ask the enlightened guys that :)
15:31<Guest7523>any reason why you choose xfwm4
15:31<stderr_dk>Maybe... Only one way to find out. :-)
15:31<devil_>Guest7523: but I heard of it being done
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15:32<stderr_dk>Guest7523: Well, I'm using xfce, so it kind of made sense.
15:32<sney>e17 is in debian, it's just not in stable
15:33<stderr_dk>Maybe it can be backported from jessie.
15:33<Guest7523>i've been meaning to learn to build everything from src. just to know how
15:33<sney>stderr_dk: looks like a dependency mess unfortunately
15:33<stderr_dk>Ok. :-(
15:34<sney>Guest7523: it's a good thing to know how to do, but be careful where you install stuff since what you compile and install manually will not cooperate with debian's package manager
15:34<stderr_dk>Guest7523: If you want to try, you could ask the "dpkg" bot about "simple sid backport" and hope for the best...
15:34<sney>that is, unless you make packages
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15:35<Guest7523>i've been playing with linux for years but not really advancing much
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15:36<Guest7523>i know its possible and what to change logos and customize things in the src
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15:43<vovick>I'd personally learn how to build system packages by compiling Linux from scratch in a virtual machine or on a separate partition/drive so that my experiments wouldn't interfere with everyday workflow.
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15:44<awal>Guest7523: i'm just curious. do you still using Ubuntu or just Debian?
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15:49<wintellect>Debian Testing issue : Gnome3 works fine but KDE wont auto mount the CDROM. Manually mounting works fine, and KDE sees it once mounted. Any suggestions?
15:49<stderr_dk>wintellect: Have you asked on #debian-next?
15:50<wintellect>no, will try there. thanks stderr_dk
15:50<stderr_dk>No problem.
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15:54<natalia>jest ktos z polski
15:54<Guest7523>i'm on someone else's laptop right now with a system i installed on a 8 gig usb stick. could i compile different kernels so i could run more resource hungry systems for different hardware i plugged into and ones for older hardware with different windows managers and programs but use only one home directory?
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15:56<Guest7523>glitz and glam when able
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15:58<sney>Guest7523: sharing a home directory among multiple setups is possible, yes
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16:35<ehy>hi does anyone know why iceweasel esr logs me out about every second time I open it?
16:36<ehy>I think it started happening after I installed flashplugin-nonfree
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16:39<sney>logs you out of what?
16:40<abrotman>so uninstall flash?
16:40<ehy>oh sorry debian wheezy
16:40<ehy>yeah on it but
16:40<rene>how i can find out the amount of characters in STDIN before i read it out?
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16:41<abrotman>rene: in what language?
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16:42<ehy>lol I uninstalled flash and it doesnt log out anymore
16:42<rene>ansi c
16:42<ehy>does anyone know if theres way to use flash without loggin out? xD
16:43<abrotman>rene: ##c on freenode is probably a better place
16:43<abrotman>ehy: Works just fine for me
16:43<ehy>im special
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16:47<ehy>no it wasnt flash :S
16:48<ehy>i think logout button has infected me somehow
16:48<ehy>I think that because I had set it to log out dialog but instead it logged out straight away
16:49<ehy>bug in wheezy? :(
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16:50<sney>by logging out you mean it closes your session and returns you to the login prompt?
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16:52<skribblezatcha>its supposed to ehy.
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16:52<ehy>beofre it gave me menu where i could choose logout shutdown restart etc
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16:53<skribblezatcha>ok, so you now you dont have those options anymore ehy?
16:53<sney>I thought he said it was happening when he ran iceweasel - which would be an X crash
16:53<ehy>also that
16:53<skribblezatcha>right, thats what i was seeing at first too.
16:54<skribblezatcha>lets start over ehy. so what happened first, and why?
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16:56<ehy>ok some hours ago I installed fresh wheezy, then derped with huawei 3g until i got it to work using testing-repository-modswitch and new network manager, then I added mozilla backports to sources and installed iceweasel esr
16:56<ehy>and then flashplugin-onfree
16:57<ehy>and in addition I tweaked some shortcut buttons in panel
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16:58<ehy>dont recall doing anything else
16:58<ehy>and notice iceweasel loggin me a bit randomly out after flashplugin-nonfree installed
16:58<ehy>now I uninstalled it and it didn't help
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16:59<skribblezatcha>did you try to uninstall it and see if that was the isssue?
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16:59<skribblezatcha>the flash..which you said that you did.
16:59<sney>have you looked at your Xorg or xsession log to see if there are any error messages
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16:59<ehy>no, how I check them
16:59<ehy>im beginner
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17:00<ehy>oh and also im on xfce edition
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17:01<skribblezatcha>i use xfce too.:D
17:01<ehy>i heard good about it :)
17:01<sney>debian doesn't do "editions", it's still just debian. the xsession log is .xsession-errors in your home directory, the xorg log is /var/log/Xorg.0.log, they are both text files
17:01<skribblezatcha>yeah i prefer xfce over most other DE's ehy.
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17:03<ehy>are the logs hidden?
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17:03<ehy>ya found
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17:03<sney>ehy: a file that begins with a . is hidden, yes
17:04<sney>if there are a lot of errors/messages in the logs you can put them on
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17:04<ehy>ok there is some
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17:05<ehy> xsession errors
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17:07<sney>ok, those are mostly warnings and none of them look fatal
17:08<skribblezatcha>ehy, those shortcut buttons that you tweaked. what were they if you dont mind me asking?
17:09<ehy>synaptic search terminal showdesktop application finder datetime
17:09<ehy>deletin the bottom panel
17:09<ehy>and adding to upper
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17:09<skribblezatcha>ok cool ehy..thanks.
17:10<skribblezatcha>ok, are you using the whiskermenu-plugin ehy?
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17:10<ehy>i dont think so
17:10<ehy>didnt find
17:11<skribblezatcha>ok ehy, do me a huge favor..can i PM you please?
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17:11<ehy>depends on favor
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17:12<ehy>but sure pm
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17:14<ehy>sney here is xorg log too but maybe nothing interesting there
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17:29<apoc_>can anyone tell me, why my screenlock doesn't really work when hibernating/suspending?
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17:31<skribblezatcha>this is a dumb question apoc_..but you do have a swap partition right..that is a bit over twice the amount of ram that you have installed?
17:32<apoc_>I have a 6Gig swap partition, and 4Gig RAM.. but I don't understand what that has to do with the screenlock.. hibernation works fine
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17:34<apoc_>si, ma il mio italiano non e cosi bene..
17:34<mtn>apoc_: how does screenlock not work? what do you expect it to do? what does happen? what desktop?
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17:34<skribblezatcha>i was thinking sleep..sorry.
17:34<mtn>apoc_: it helps to ask good questions
17:35<apoc_>xfce 4.8, debian 7.2.0.. When I start up the laptop form hibernation, my screen locks after ~1 second, or not at all..
17:35<skribblezatcha>although its recommended for it to be able to sleep/hibernate properly for a swap size of double the amount of ram that you have..a bit over that.
17:35<apoc_>i see! gotta get that right, thanks
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17:38<ehy>wow this is so annoying.. now when I click log out its logs me out but when I log back in it opens iceweasel automatically. AND when i open iceweasel manually it logs me out lol
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17:38<ehy>not very stable :(
17:39<skribblezatcha>thats a bummer ehy.
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17:39<ehy>price for freedom is great
17:40<skribblezatcha>i agree. although not really its more of a blessing, a gift.;)
17:41<ehy>yeah im glad there are people who care
17:41<skribblezatcha>it doesnt mean less than.:)
17:41<mtn>ehy: try using a clean .mozzila folder. rename your old one so you won't lose it and then start iceweasel
17:41<abrotman>try with a new user also
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17:44<ehy>mtn: where?
17:44<mtn>ehy: where what?
17:44<ehy>mozzila folder
17:45<skribblezatcha>its .mozilla ehy.
17:45<mtn>ehy: it is .mozzila and it is in your home folder
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17:49<ehy>mtn could you hold my hand and give me the command :>
17:49<pisy3>i'm new
17:49<slickrick305>i need assistance
17:49<ehy>when i try to copy it says omitting...
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17:49<mtn>ehy: open your file manager
17:49<pisy3>what's go in one?
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17:50<ehy>how do I view hidden stuff
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17:50<mtn>ehy: right click and choose Show hidden files
17:51<slickrick305>hello is this a community support live chat for linux assistance
17:51<ehy>no such option
17:51<mtn>ehy: go to View in bar above
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17:51<ehy>ok thx :D
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17:53<skribblezatcha>for debian linux slickrick305.
17:53<skribblezatcha>ehy, are you ok man?
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17:54<ehy>not yet :D ill change user now and see what happens
17:56<skribblezatcha>cool..but you did rename your original .mozilla folder, and then start with an empty one ehy?
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17:57<skribblezatcha>ok cool.
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18:01<abrotman>skribblezatcha: wrong channel
18:01<skribblezatcha>ok, my fault.
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18:05<skribblezatcha>my fault abrotman. on other channels we are allowed to do that, so i didnt know that we couldnt do that. it wont happen again.
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18:05<abrotman>skribblezatcha: /topic -- we have an offtopic channel for crap like that
18:05<skribblezatcha>ok cool. although it is kind of informative. i appreciate that though.
18:06<abrotman>it's not informatibve here ...
18:06<skribblezatcha>ok abrotman.
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18:29<BlackDragon42>Hello everyone.
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18:33<apoc_>Any ideas why sometimes my screen won't lock after hibernation? xfce 4.8; debian wheezy 7.2.0
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18:35<mtn>apoc_: if you google the phrase "debian screen won't lock after hibernation" there are lots of hits. did you try that?
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18:36<apoc_>yes.. tried quite a few hints, but nothing seemed to be really working.. sometimes my screen won't lock at all, sometimes it would display my session for a second, then lock.. aand sometimes its perfectly fine
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18:48<BlackDragon42>I swear, sometimes apt-get upgrade doesn't like to work correctly. I got it working, though.
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19:02<BlackDragon42>Quiet in here.
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19:03<stderr_dk>BlackDragon42: That's probably because nobody asks any questions.
19:04<stderr_dk>Or because nobody knows the answers to the questions that has been asked.
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19:06<BlackDragon42>Yeah. It's been a bit since I was on here last. It used to be pretty active here.
19:07<stderr_dk>It's usually a bit more active in here.
19:08<skribblezatcha>it actually just was a short while ago.
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19:09<BlackDragon42>I'm surprised to see abrotman still on here... We talked years ago.
19:09<BlackDragon42>wrong window
19:09<BlackDragon42>and password
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19:10<BlackDragon42>Testing a setup in Virtualbox
19:10<BlackDragon42>Easier to do before commiting to hardware.
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19:14<BlackDragon42>I'm trying to customize without going through a physical install 20,000 times, especially setting the partitions with enough room. I wish I had a 3 TB HDD for each partition. That would solve everything. Right?
19:15<stderr_dk>No, then you would suddenly have 3.1 TB to store in each partition.
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19:15<Guest7547>I'm trying to install Debian on a Lenovo u410 (formerly used ArchLinux and Ubuntu), it has a 32GB SSD which I used for the system install + a 1TB (7,200 RPM) disk where I mounted /home. The installer is not able to mount the disk, neither is the system when I get to install it. Any help to configure the installer for this to work?
19:16<stderr_dk>What's the error message?
19:16<apoc_>is it risky if I mount my hdd (windows, debian, swap, data) partitions with gparted and reallocate the data partition, so I get more swap?
19:17<stderr_dk>apoc_: I wouldn't reallocate a partition while it's in use.
19:17<apoc_>I planned to boot from usb flash drive.. there mounting the hdd
19:18*zykotick9 wouldn't resize a partition period...
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19:18<BlackDragon42>Which disk will not read, and what type of disks are they? SCSI, IDE, etc.?
19:18<mtn>apoc_: yes it is risky, but usually ok. you can't resize a mounted partition
19:19<stderr_dk>apoc_: Don't resize or move the partition while it's in use. It's a bad, bad idea.
19:19<Guest7547>BlackDragon42: it doesn't read the 1TB disk , it's SCSI apparently
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19:19<apoc_>aah, yes.. I didn't mean to mount it, just to resize in gparted, which i boot form a usb drive..
19:20<stderr_dk>Guest7547: You can't even read the partition table or anything?
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19:20<stderr_dk>apoc_: If it ain't mounted, I don't see any real problems.
19:20<Guest7547>stderr_dk: I see it when I enter the manual partition on the installer
19:20<apoc_>alright! thanks
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19:22<Guest7547>The 32GB ssd is identified like SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) and the 1TB as SCSI2 (0,0,0) (sdc), currently on the Partition screen in the installer
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19:22<stderr_dk>Guest7547: And the error message when you try to mount it?
19:23<Guest7547>The attempt to mount a file system with type ext4 in SCSI2 (0,0,0), partition #2 (sdb) at /home failed
19:24<stderr_dk>sdb? Not sdc?
19:24<BlackDragon42>Guest7547: What is /dev/sdb set as?
19:25<Guest7547>sdc is: SCSI7 (0,0,0) (sdc) - 1.0 GB Kingston DataTraveler (the installation USB)
19:25<stderr_dk>"and the 1TB as SCSI2 (0,0,0) (sdc)"
19:25<Guest7547>oh, sorry, typo there stderr_dk
19:25<Guest7547>it's sdb
19:26<stderr_dk>Ok, about the partition... Is it really just sdb and not sdb2?
19:26<Guest7547>I don't see sdb anywhere
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19:27<Guest7547>since I never had to configure anything for other linuxes before, I don't know anything about the RAID or how it is setup
19:28<stderr_dk>What RAID?
19:29<Guest7547>I don't know, I did get to install Debian and when I went to the "disks" application, it showed something about the 1TB disk and RAID
19:30<stderr_dk>But you only have _one_ 1TB disk, right? A RAID on only one disk seems a bit useless.
19:30<stderr_dk>Some would say impossible, but it could be a RAID with a missing, faulty disk...
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19:31<BlackDragon42>This is why I use Virtualbox to bang out these problems before doing it physically.
19:31<stderr_dk>Can you jump to a shell and do a fdisk -l /dev/sd? and put the output on ?
19:31<stderr_dk>BlackDragon42: And what is your Virtualbox running on?
19:32<BlackDragon42>Uhhh... A computer.
19:32<Guest7547>stderr_dk: let me check... does the installer have a shell included?
19:32<stderr_dk>BlackDragon42: So you have to install the OS on the real hardware at some point, right?
19:33<stderr_dk>Guest-somenumber: Yes.
19:33<stderr_dk>Alt-F2 or use the menu...
19:34<BlackDragon42>Yes. I've done it so many times I can do it in my sleep. Too much Linux. I get on a Windows computer and try to use Linux commands. ::Facepalm::
19:34<Guest7547>stderr_dk: yep, found it, but fdisk is apparently not installed
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19:35<BlackDragon42>I need to save up some money for parts. Build from scratch.
19:35<stderr_dk>Ok... Can you do the install without mounting that disk and then let us look at the problem? (It would probably be easiest, if you make a "real" root account, so you don't have to use your own account (without the /home) and sudo)
19:36<nando>ok, I'll do that yes
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19:37<BlackDragon42>I'd like to see what comes up on /etc/fstab just for kicks.
19:37<stderr_dk>If the partition isn't mounted? Nothing about that partition...
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19:38<BlackDragon42>I know.
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19:45<BlackDragon42>I'm setting up another Virtualbox session with the exact same drive setup as he has. I'm going to test it out.
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19:47<BlackDragon42>I hope he returns.
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19:47<BlackDragon42>Which install method were you using?
19:47<nando`>debian testing
19:48<BlackDragon42>Doing your setup on Vitrualbox.
19:49<stderr_dk>BlackDragon42: You do realize that we don't know his setup yet. How the 1TB disk is partitioned and formatted yet. By the time we know, we probably already have the solution and you're just wasting your time.
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19:49<nando`>I guess I'll be able to give more info once the installation is done
19:50<nando`>(I'm on it)
19:50<Polyonymous>I just blurt out a question if I have one, is that correct?
19:50<BlackDragon42>If he is doing a semi-standard install, then it should be fine.
19:50<stderr_dk>nando`: Yes. And that info will give use the solution.
19:50<stderr_dk>Polyonymous: Yes.
19:50<Polyonymous>Ok. Sorry, it's a long one: I am doing a fresh install of Mint 13 onto a system with 2 HDDs.
19:50<Polyonymous>I was going to do a software RAID mirror using mdadm as follows: md0 mounted as /boot, md1 as /, and md2 as swap.
19:50<Polyonymous>I knew this would make things slower, but I've been informed that it'll likely slow things down rather more than I anticipated.
19:50<Polyonymous>What would be a good filesystem structure that would still make the system robust to a drive failing?
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19:51<Polyonymous>Too long, apparently. Sorry again. -.-
19:51<BlackDragon42>Besides, I don't have much better to do. It's better than TV or video games, correct?
19:51<stderr_dk>Polyonymous: A bit, yes. :-)
19:51<stderr_dk>And Mint isn't Debian, so wrong channel.
19:51<nando`>BlackDragon42: unless you have Super Mario 3D World then... :P
19:52<BlackDragon42>No, I don't. LOL
19:52<stderr_dk>nando`: Does it run on Linux?
19:52<BlackDragon42>Well, I saw a post on Reddit of GTA V on a floppy disk.
19:52<nando`>stderr_dk: not yet I guess
19:53<stderr_dk>Then I don't have it either. Probably don't want it either... :-)
19:53<skribblezatcha>Polyonymous: ext4 for now.
19:53<BlackDragon42>$3.00 from Dallas. Craigslist, I think.
19:53<Polyonymous>skribblezatcha, Come again?
19:54<stderr_dk>Polyonymous: If you're using Mint, you should ask in their channel. We don't support Mint in here. We don't know which filesystems they support.
19:54<skribblezatcha>you are asking about a filesystem to install mint on right?
19:55<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
19:55<Polyonymous>stderr_dk, I'm asking simply about what would be a clever way to partition the disks. the actual fs is more-or-less irrelevant
19:55<Polyonymous>And functionally the same for Debian, which I use
19:55<Polyonymous>Just setting this up for a friend
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19:55<Polyonymous>And the mint channel is silent on the matter
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19:56<Polyonymous>I will, however, go back to fussing over it on my own if needed. I just wanted to know of putting the OS on a software raid 0 is a bad idea
19:56<stderr_dk>How is the actual fs irrelevant for a question about a good filesystem structure?
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19:57<stderr_dk>I wouldn't use RAID0 ever...
19:57<Polyonymous>Raid 1*
19:57<skribblezatcha>thats exactly what i was just thinking stderr_dk.
19:57<stderr_dk>I got / on RAID1 on more than one system...
19:57<Polyonymous>Software RAID?
19:57<Polyonymous>Thank you
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20:01<digitsm>I want to know whether SSH (server) is installed by default on debain (testing)?
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20:01<stderr_dk>digitsm: No.
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20:01<stderr_dk>Oh, wait, testing... Then I don't know... Probably not.
20:01<stderr_dk>But it only takes a couple of seconds to install it.
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20:02<zykotick9>stderr_dk: seeing as there isn't a "default testing install" your NO is accurate
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20:02<digitsm>stderr_dk: Hmm! It's weird. I tested now and I could connect :D I used that PC before, but now I have disconnected its monitor and keyboard. But fortunately I could connect
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20:03<stderr_dk>zykotick9: I read default as "if I press enter to all questions without reading what they ask...".
20:03<digitsm>I had transferred data between that PC and my Laptop using rsync. Does it mean that (when I was installing rsync) ssh got installed too?
20:03<zykotick9>stderr_dk: and where is this "testing installer"? ;)
20:04<stderr_dk>digitsm: Did you select "continue install using ssh"? If so, then I think ssh is being installed on the system during the install.
20:04<stderr_dk>zykotick9: I'm pretty sure they make a weekly testing ISO.
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20:04<zykotick9>stderr_dk: that's NOT an installer for testing
20:04<ozberk>hi guys
20:05<stderr_dk>Ok... I don't use testing. :-)
20:05<lugal>when I change my screen resolution my screen disappeares. what can I do?
20:05<digitsm>stderr_dk: I don't know. I installed debian testing with XFCE desktop.
20:05<zykotick9>stderr_dk: nor i ;)
20:05<stderr_dk>zykotick9: The netinstall can install testing, if you read that question... :-)
20:06<zykotick9>stderr_dk: actually, "that" does ring a bell
20:06<digitsm>I don't know how I installed SSH server, But it works now :D However I don't know which ssh server I installed. OpenSSH, dropbear or what?
20:06<ozberk>I'm trying to install ATI drivers following staps in the documentations I stucked in here
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20:06<stderr_dk>digitsm: Most likely openssh... dpkg --get-selections is one way to find out.
20:07<ozberk>what is my GPU or device name :S
20:07<digitsm>stderr_dk, zykotick9: Yeah I installed using net-install, but with advanced options which installed XFCE for me too (in addition to gnome)!
20:08<stderr_dk>ozberk: I read that page as "type this without changing anything", but I don't use fglrx, so I don't know if that's correct or not.
20:09<digitsm>stderr_dk: Yeah, both openssh-client and openssh-server are installed. I think I installed many things during installation, thankfully I can use them now. Thank you all for your help
20:09<stderr_dk>You probably selected "server" during the install, right?
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20:11<digitsm>stderr_dk: I don't remember how I installed. It was some kind of advanced options in addtion to netinstall. But I used that PC before, so I guess I have installed many packages on it before
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20:12<nando`>Ok, got my system installed :)
20:12<stderr_dk>nando`: fdisk -l /dev/sd? ->
20:15<stderr_dk>nando`: file -s /dev/sdb2
20:15<nando`>ERROR: cannot open `/dev/sdb2' (No such file or directory)
20:16<stderr_dk>Odd... Anything in dmesg about sdb?
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20:18<nando`> <- does this help?
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20:20<stderr_dk>Can you put your /proc/mdstat up too?
20:22<digitsm>Sorry for asking again, I want to know which VNC server should I install for my debian testing? vino or tightvncserver?
20:22<sney>whichever one you prefer
20:22<stderr_dk>nando`: /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid stop
20:22<sney>x11vnc is also an option
20:23<nando`>stderr_dk: done
20:23<digitsm>I meant which one people usually use? (e.g. people usually use openSSH for ssh)
20:23<dpkg>popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at -- See the FAQ at . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package
20:23<stderr_dk>nando`: file -s /dev/sdb2
20:23<nando`>same "cannot open" error as before
20:24<stderr_dk>Ok, I'm confused...
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20:25<stderr_dk>nando`: Are you planning on using a RAID? If not, I would uninstall mdadm.
20:25<nando`>I'm not
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20:26<stderr_dk>If nothing else, to avoid it starting the RAID... (The RAID that shouldn't be there...)
20:26<nando`>so I should try uninstalling and then using file -s /dev/sdb2 to see if it's found, right?
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20:28<nando`>stderr_dk: check this out:
20:28<nando`>maybe there's something interesting in those warnings
20:29<stderr_dk>You're booting from sda, so the initramfs should be fine.
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20:30<stderr_dk>The missing firmware is for your NIC.
20:30<nando`>should I reboot?
20:30<BlackDragon42>Still in Virtualbox... Manually partitioning.
20:31<stderr_dk>nando`: Yeah, try...
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20:33<nando`>ok, seems to detect /dev/sdb2 with file -s
20:34<nando`>and I was able to mount it :)
20:35<BlackDragon42>Mine seems to be chugging along fairly well.
20:36<stderr_dk>nando`: What did it say about sdb2?
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20:38<stderr_dk>I wonder where it got the impressing there was a RAID... Anything about it in dmesg?
20:39<stderr_dk>I meant about raid or md.
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20:40<nando>apparently not
20:41<nando>so there was no RAID to start with?
20:41<nando>should I file a bug somewhere?
20:41<stderr_dk>There shouldn't be, right? Was the disk once part of a RAID?
20:42<stderr_dk>Is the SATA-controller a hardware RAID-controller by any chance?
20:42<BlackDragon42>I wouldn't think it was.
20:42<nando>how can I find out? unless it was that way from the manufacturer
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20:42<stderr_dk>No, it would seem a bit weird in a laptop, but you never know...
20:42<nando>I didn't add a RAID since I got the laptop
20:43<BlackDragon42>That's what I was thinking. RAID on a laptop? No...
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20:44<nando>btw, had never used GNOME 3 before, this desktop looks *so* good :)
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20:44<zykotick9>nando: looks are only skin deep ;)
20:44<BlackDragon42>I use XFCE, but to each their own.
20:44<stderr_dk> does say that the RAID was on sdb, not e.g. sdb1... I would take a very close look at the MBR on that disk...
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20:45<stderr_dk>nando: From what I (and most people) heard, you're going to hate it soon...
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20:45<BlackDragon42>I used to use KDE.
20:46<BlackDragon42>I liked Openbox too.
20:46<nando>I used KDE for a while, some XFCE and then Unity with Ubuntu
20:46<nando>can't hate it more than Unity :P
20:47<BlackDragon42>Well, my Virtualbox system is installing base packages, so it seemed to go okay.
20:47<skribblezatcha>i use XFCE as well.
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20:47<stderr_dk>BlackDragon42: Your Virtualbox system didn't think sdb was part of a RAID, did it?
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20:49<BlackDragon42>No. I set everything up manually. Partitioned all but /home to /dev/sda.
20:49<stderr_dk>So you tested something completely different.
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20:50<BlackDragon42>So /, /tmp, /var, /usr, and swap are on /dev/sda. I set the partition size at 20% of free space for each. On /dev/sdb, all free space is used by /home.
20:52<stderr_dk>I still don't know what it is you're trying to test. That the installer works? Most of use used it, so I think we can assume that it does in fact work.
20:52<nando>stderr_dk BlackDragon42 cheers! Thanks for your help :)
20:53<stderr_dk>nando: No problem.
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20:53<stderr_dk>Send one of those bottles in my direction as a small thank you. :-)
20:54<nando>hehe, where in the world are you?
20:55<stderr_dk>... and I was only kidding.
20:55<nando>oh, was looking at this: :P
20:56<BlackDragon42>At least it worked.
20:56<BlackDragon42>So that's good.
20:57<BlackDragon42>I like the sticker.
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20:58<nando>thanks! got it from a guy from Berlin at a JS Conference
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21:00<kandyxx>nothin like 2 sluts fucking themselves on live cam, hot as fuck
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21:02<SamB>nando: that is what you call spam
21:02<SamB>notice the autokill message
21:02<nando>didn't know there was IRC spam
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21:03<BlackDragon42>I have some Spam in my drawer...
21:03<BlackDragon42>Lovely Spam, wonderful Spam...
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21:06<skribblezatcha>well i am outta here. goodnight and God Bless peoples.
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21:06<constl>I've installed an application on my system which runs a webapp on a tomcat.This application has an administration console but when i run it as a regular user i cannot find any installed configuration. This application has created a service (?) user. Is it possible to run the console as that user?
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21:07<stderr_dk>constl: su - user
21:07<stderr_dk>Where "user" is the name of that user.
21:09<constl>stderr_dk: I dont know the password of this user. it was created automatically
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21:09<stderr_dk>Try running the command as root.
21:09<stderr_dk>The su command, that is..
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21:12<stderr_dk>constl: sudo -u user command might work too, if you're using sudo.
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21:12<constl>stderr_dk: That might work cause i cant log as a root. Must be a ubuntu thing (??)
21:13<stderr_dk>Probably... We don't support ubuntu in here.
21:13<digitsm>At last I could access to my real X display using x11vnc. It was hard bcuz I was not logged in to lightdm and x11vnc needed MIT-MAGIC-COOCKIE file which I had to find from /var/lib/lightdm/.Xauthority
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21:15<digitsm>I read in a blog that x11vnc is faster than other vnc servers. But it connects to real X displays (aka displays corresponding to a physical display).
21:15<digitsm>Any way it was a little hard :D
21:17<stderr_dk>I thought you wanted the desktop you got when you were logged in. If you wanted something with a login screen, you should have said so, there might be a better way to configure that.
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21:17<stderr_dk>Then content of /var/lib/lightdm/.Xauthority might change after each logout / reboot. Just so you know...
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21:23<digitsm>stderr_dk: Actually I prefer my debian PC to be automatically logged in. I thought it was automatically logged in too, but it wasn't
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21:24<digitsm>stderr_dk: Now my problem is that the resolution of display is 640*480. How could I increase that?
21:24<apoc_>good night people
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21:25<stderr_dk>digitsm: Sorry, I don't use x11vnc.
21:26<stderr_dk>BTW: Have you seen the bottom of /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf ? Maybe x11vnc isn't needed at all. (Haven't tried...)
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21:42<Eco>digitsm: Try xrdp
21:42<digitsm>stderr_dk: The problem is that x11vnc uses the current display. And this display is set to 640x480 which I can't change anymore (at least with x11vnc)
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21:43<stderr_dk>digitsm: But if you look at the bottom of lightdm.conf, it seems like lightdm can do VNC by itself without x11vnc, right?
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21:44<digitsm>stderr_dk: Yes. It seems so. I should only make #enabled=true. OK?
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21:45<stderr_dk>Yes, I assume the others are just the default values.
21:45<stderr_dk>But again, I haven't tried it...
21:46<stderr_dk>Oh, and remove the # from #enabled... of course. :-)
21:47<digitsm>stderr_dk: What then? reboot? or manually restarting lightdm (which I don't know how)?
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21:47<stderr_dk>/etc/init.d/lightdm restart
21:48<digitsm>stderr_dk: this will log me out. Yeah?
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21:53<digitsm>stderr_dk: It didn't work. Connection got closed
21:55<digitsm>stderr_dk: I think I should come back to tightvncserver. Do I need to be logged in to use tightvnc server?
21:56<stderr_dk>I haven't used VNC in ages...
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21:56<stderr_dk>I would have assumed all of them could more or less easily be configured to show a login screen.
21:57<digitsm>stderr_dk: I want to write some CDs for my father. And only that linux pc has a DVD writer!
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21:57<stderr_dk>ssh with X forwarding?
21:58<stderr_dk>Or ssh and a command line DVD writer.
21:59<digitsm>stderr_dk: I have not used commad line DVD writer
21:59<digitsm>It is not safe for me too
22:00<digitsm>I want to use k3b
22:00<stderr_dk>Then use ssh with X forwarding.
22:01<Eco>The fastest way, connect your keyboard, mouse and monitor on the linux pc.
22:01<stderr_dk>digitsm: I was just reading It seems you need both lightdm and x11vnc (or tightvnc) after all.
22:01<digitsm>Eco: :))
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22:03<sney>at $dayjob I have a server, and an old broken laptop that does nothing but boot up and connect to a vnc session on the server
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22:04<sney>and the setup on the broken laptop is a really minimal squeeze install, a working framebuffer, and directvnc called from rc.local
22:04<sney>directvnc is great because it doesn't require X to be running on the client
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22:04<SamB>what did you use for the vnc server?
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22:07<digitsm>My father is in hurry. I am using x11vnc in 640x480 for now, until I fix it later :D
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22:08<sney>SamB, tightvnc I think
22:09<sney>the server doesn't have an existing X session that I need to share, the vnc one is the only one
22:09<sney>the working framebuffer was a slight pain to get working, also
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22:19<digitsm>sney: tightvnc make a new X session for every client connected I think
22:20<sney>I don't think so
22:20<sney>anyway there are many options you can pass to it
22:20<sney>in my case it's always the same client connecting so the session is persistent
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23:26<digitsm>I searched a little and found out that x11vnc can not change the original Display size. I have to use xrandr. But after entering 'xrandr' it says "Can't open display"
23:26<digitsm>I use properietary nvidia driver (nvidia-glx I guess)
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23:29<digitsm>Any idea?
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23:35<digitsm>P.S. I don't have a xorg.conf file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ! Is it unusual?
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23:40<sney>!empty xorg.conf
23:40<dpkg>Starting from Debian 5.0 "Lenny", /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often basically empty or non-existent, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg. See also <xorg manual config>, <xorg.conf.d>, <xorg hal>.
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23:42<SamB>huh, you'd think that'd mention the .d
23:43<SamB>as another reason the xorg.conf itself might be essentially empty or missing
23:43<sney>well, it's in the see also. but that factoid is short enough that one could add it if they so desire
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23:44<SamB>hmm, maybe just shuffle it to the beginning of the "see also" list ...
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