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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-12-09

---Logopened Mon Dec 09 00:00:14 2013
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00:43<pinco>polar express
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00:44<pinco>in italiano
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00:46<nevyn>that sounds cool
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03:16<medicalwei>I have a problem that GPT partitions with windows 8.1 are not listed in my d-i
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03:16<medicalwei>I need to install debian after the windows partition, but i wonder why it isn't listed.
03:16<jm_>that's interesting, someone said a similar thing last week
03:16<jm_>or was that you?
03:17<medicalwei>it wasn't
03:17<jm_>what does kernel show then?
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03:17<medicalwei>what part of kernel message do you want to grep out
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03:17<jm_>the part where it lists partitions on a device
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03:18<jm_>dmesg | grep 'sd.: '
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03:19<medicalwei>sda: sda1 sda2 it listed anyway
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03:19<medicalwei>but d-i doesn't list the partitions
03:19<jm_>maybe try checking what installer says on tty3/4 then
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03:20<jm_>(if it says anything about it)
03:20<jm_>but installer lets you partitions things manually IIRC
03:20<jm_>so that could be your workaround
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03:28<medicalwei>then where can I mount the partitions?
03:29*medicalwei thinks this could report bug but I didn't see messages at all
03:30<jm_>yeah that might be an issue then, it might not find the partition for mount either
03:30<medicalwei>warning: could not open /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/modules.builtin
03:31<medicalwei>I wonder if it is related.
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03:32<jm_>doesn't sound likely
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03:34<medicalwei>how can I know the version of d-i i am running? there's no dpkg in the installer
03:35<nocturnal>did anyone notice any DNS issues on a postfix mailserver when upgrading to wheezy from squeeze? I'm having issues that I have problems troubleshooting so I'd like to see if the community had any issues.
03:35<nocturnal>obviously I meant to say from squeeze to wheezy
03:35<nocturnal>;)
03:35<nocturnal>eeh
03:35<nocturnal>I'm not awake yet
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03:37<medicalwei>well I am going to dump partman log
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03:47<medicalwei>my partman (d-i)?bug is in #731736
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03:50<jm_>so it's a parted bug?
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03:51<medicalwei>partman bug I guess. because partman doesn't detect the partitions
03:51<medicalwei>I am testing the testing image rather than stable
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03:51<jm_>your debug log mentions parted_server where it's reading partitions
03:51<jm_>so maybe try the wheezy one then
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03:52<medicalwei>I mean the bug happens in 7.2 installer
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03:52<medicalwei>confirmed that still reproducible in daily d-i build
03:53<medicalwei>so it might be parted which cannot read partitions? I will try
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03:58<medicalwei>trying to "reboot" windows before installation, in order not to get into unstable state for the partition
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05:38<DrZaius>is the "search patterns" refered on aptitude man page in any man page?
05:39<DrZaius>you know, without needing a webbrowser (even if a cli webbrowser)
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05:43<babilen>DrZaius: You can install the HTML documentation offline (aptitude-doc-*), but I don't think that it is discussed in the manpage.
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05:45<jm_>why would you need a browser anyway? there's always /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README
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05:52<DrZaius>babilen: :( thats mainly what i check out aptitude man page just to remember that info is not there
05:53<DrZaius>yeah jm_thats kinda better, thanks
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05:53<DrZaius>still hard to find stuff there but and the document itself, but definetly better than the html where i have to grep files before opening the good one :D
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05:54<DrZaius>make i sense no
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05:55<DrZaius>the 'but' is the word that should not be there hehe
05:56<jm_>yeah I would prefere man page too :)
05:56<jm_>prefer
05:58*babilen agrees, wishlist bug?
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06:17<wolf>hi. instruct the program to open files .lay(PCB)...in win enjoyed Sprint-Layout, but analog to debiane not found. maybe there is some kind convector?
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06:22<wolf_>hi. instruct the program to open files .lay(PCB)...in win enjoyed Sprint-Layout, but analog to debiane not found. maybe there is some kind convector?
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06:23<Maulkin>wolf_: Are you using google translate by any chance?
06:24<wolf_>yeah
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06:26<wolf_>you want to migrate data from a file .lay in the program kicad
06:29<Maulkin>wolf_: By the looks of things, I don't think it's possible. You'll need to talk to Sprint-Layout. Or, you can look at running it under "wine".
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06:35<wolf_>OK. thanks
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06:39<DrZaius>is there any command in the repos to get my external ip or should i alias my own curl ipecho.net/plain ?
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08:28<henk>hi, I’m running debian unstable and can’t connect to my wicd since the last reboot. My machine was running for quite a while, so it’s hard to find out what changed since my last login/reboot. The error I’m getting is on http://pastie.org/8539474, permissions for the file mentioned there and my group memberships can be found on http://pastie.org/private/fqeo3ns0kn2qlobsbzra6w. Can/should
08:28<henk>I add my user to the group "messagebus" or is that group not meant for users to be a member of?
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08:33<jm_>for unstable try #debian-next
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08:35<henk>jm_: thanks
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08:35<jm_>henk: did you check bts as well?
08:37<henk>jm_: Yes, for wicd and dbus …
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08:38<jm_>henk: are you in group netdev?
08:38<jm_>ahh that's old, nevermind
08:39<jm_>but still worth checking I guess
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08:39<henk>jm_: yes, I am. It is old? How so?
08:39<jm_>henk: I thought this netdev thing is new but it's not
08:39<jm_>(not your issue)
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08:39<henk>ah, yes
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09:32<planetmaker>right, so I have an mjpeg file which I want to extract into single images or at least view. What's the preferred / suggested software to use on wheezy?
09:32<planetmaker>My search so far hinted at mjpegtools, but that's in squeeze and sid and jessie, but curiously not in wheezy
09:34<stdspace>I would take a look at avconv.
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09:37<planetmaker>I had looked at its man page, but "-target type (output)
09:37<planetmaker> Specify target file type ("vcd", "svcd", "dvd", "dv", "dv50"). type may be prefixed with "pal-", "ntsc-" or "film-" to use the corresponding
09:37<planetmaker> standard. All the format options (bitrate, codecs, buffer sizes) are then set automatically." gave me the conclusion that single images is a no-go?
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09:38<stdspace>For extracting images from a video:
09:38<stdspace> avconv -i foo.avi -r 1 -s WxH -f image2 foo-%03d.jpeg
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09:39<stdspace>planetmaker: You should also look at -vframes, -t and -ss.
09:40<planetmaker>aye, avconv can do more than I anticipated :)
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09:41<planetmaker>seems it misses mjpeg support though: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2879/
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09:42<stdspace>-s WxH should be the size of the frames.
09:42<planetmaker>is it mandatory? I get the same output if I simply leave that out
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09:43<stdspace>I can't remember...
09:43<stdspace>What does avconv -i 2013-12-09_13-34-49_534.0.mjpeg without any other options say about the file?
09:44<planetmaker>same thing really
09:45<planetmaker>from first to last character identical
09:45<stdspace>Odd... How about "file"?
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09:46<planetmaker>http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/2013-12-09_13-34-49_534.0.mjpeg <-- it's not a secret file (1MB)
09:47<planetmaker>2013-12-09_13-34-49_534.0.mjpeg: data
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09:48<stdspace>planetmaker: http://paste.debian.net/69977/
09:49<stdspace>That's on wheezy...
09:49<stdspace>BTW: You should search the avconv man page for "mjpeg"...
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09:51<planetmaker>stdspace, you must have some package installed which I miss...
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09:53<stdspace>I'm clearly also missing something cause the mjpeg example from the man page doesn't work. :-(
09:53<stdspace>Unrecognized option 'vbsf'
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09:59<planetmaker>yet you get further than I do... any special packages from backports or maybe testing or unstable? Or other non-default repos?
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10:00<stdspace>Nope. Not even from contrib or non-free as far as I remember.
10:01<stdspace>We are working on the same file, right? md5sum: 557c041323c0dff690d6325e00c6dfb9
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10:02<planetmaker>557c041323c0dff690d6325e00c6dfb9 2013-12-09_13-34-49_534.0.mjpeg
10:03<planetmaker>so yes. I took this short snippet video from the lab computer to test how I can process it
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10:06<stdspace>If you change -vbsf to -bsf in the mjpeg example in the avconv man pages it works a bit better. 11 frames decoded.
10:06<stdspace>Another option is mplayer -o jpeg
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10:06<stdspace>Also 11 frames...
10:07<planetmaker>11 frames might be all there is in the file
10:08<stdspace>Now, if only those 11 frames from avconv and those from mplayer were the same... But there not the same size...
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10:11<txt-file1>stdspace: how much do they differ?
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10:11<stdspace>About 7K each.
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10:12<stdspace>I'm at work and decoding at home without a working X-forward, so I can't really look at the images... :-/
10:12<txt-file1>does not really sound much … maybe just different compression settings which mplayer and avconv use
10:12<planetmaker>stdspace, it really seems to be a missing codec... mplayer gives virtually the same output
10:13<planetmaker>http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2880/
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10:15<stdspace>Hmm...
10:15<stdspace>Mine: libavformat version 53.21.1 (external)
10:15<stdspace>Yours: libavformat version 53.32.100 (external)
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10:16<stdspace>And both of them: Mismatching header version 53.19.0
10:16<planetmaker>ah
10:17<stdspace>See also 2nd line of http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2879/ vs. 2nd line of http://paste.debian.net/69977/
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10:18<planetmaker>"-Feature: Remove support for mjpeg"? :P
10:19<stdspace>Could be... I'm running an aptitude upgrade now and libav* is part of that upgrade...
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10:23<planetmaker>- mjpegdec: validate parameters in mjpeg_decode_scan_progressive_ac - mjpeg: Validate sampling factors
10:23<stdspace>planetmaker: Now I've got avconv version 0.8.9-6:0.8.9-1 too and it still works...
10:23<planetmaker>- mjpegdec: properly report unsupported disabled features
10:23<planetmaker>hm
10:23<planetmaker>ok, so looking at the changelog will not solve the mystery
10:23<stdspace>Mine is compiled at a different time than your. You're using amd64?
10:24<planetmaker>yes
10:24<stdspace>Ok, mine is i386.
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10:26<stdspace>planetmaker: I'm packing up and heading home from work now. I can put the 11 frames from avconv and the 11 frames from mplayer online when I get home.
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10:27<planetmaker>thanks, stdspace. But no need to upload the images. I'm more interested in getting a process sorted
10:27<planetmaker>I later need to process many more and much longer :)
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10:28<planetmaker>your time and effort is much appreciated. Have a nice evening :)
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10:28<stdspace>Ok. avconv usually works, so see if it works on another amd64 box or send a bug report.
10:28<stdspace>No problem. You too...
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10:29<planetmaker>k, I'll try a few more things and report in case of doubt. Will try also at home with similar setup
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11:36<Maulkin>!ask
11:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:41<Guest8655>I have a simple question, how do I install an icon theme in debain 7 ?
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11:42<remi>Guest5713, download it, then extract in ~/.icons/
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11:43<Guest8655>remi, thank you.
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11:53<Guest8655>Remi I tried to get this .. http://www.techlw.com/2013/11/ambiance-crunchy-themes-and-myhumanity.html
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11:53<Guest8655>and it did install and I can select the icons theme... but it does not change.
11:53<Guest8655>What is broken?
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12:20<cjac>hey folks
12:20<cjac>I'm trying to build pkg-mariadb
12:21<cjac>the maria folks tell me that USER is unset during tests... any idea what I should do with debian/rules to make sure USER is set? And what should it be set to?
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12:55<petn-randall>Hi, I'm trying to install a Windows 8 guest via kvm on a debian wheezy server. When I use the if=virtio option on -drive, and then pass the current virtio drivers, these get detected, but Windows rejects them.
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12:56<petn-randall>http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Guest_Support_Status suggests that it might not run on wheezy's kvm. Anyone got experience with this?
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12:57<zykotick9>petn-randall: i certainly wouldn't know for sure, but i'd be surprised if windows anything supported virtio...
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13:05<greenit>hi, is it possible to print dead keys (with a hotkey or so...) when i choose keyboard (nodeadkeys) ?
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13:10<murda>Hi
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13:15<cjac>hi there murda
13:15<murda>hi
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13:27<aXEL>QUE ONDA
13:28<sney>!es
13:28<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:28<aXEL>TENGO GANAS DE HACERME UNA PAJA
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13:43<wolf_>hello everyone! i have amd64. during the program's instalation i receive the error - an unsolvable dependence: ia32-libs. can I install the program without damaging my system?
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13:59<xubuntulatino>hola algun canal debian en español xfce?
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14:02<planetmaker>!es
14:02<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:19<petn-randall>What was the dpkg bot command again to check if a program is backportable? Thinking about getting qemu from jessie.
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14:19<sney>petn-randall, it's a judd command. checkbackport
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14:19<petn-randall>sney: Thanks.
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14:49<ivanoov_>hi :)
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15:20<neksis>всем привет
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15:21<petn-randall>!ru
15:21<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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15:24<tzafrir>I have a Wheezy system running apache serving some debs I built (among other things)
15:25<tzafrir>The following package generates a 500 error: linux-image-3.2.0-am335xpsp.04.06.00.11.var.r13.deb
15:25<tzafrir>The following is fine: linux-image-3.2.0-am335xpsp.04.06.00.11.deb
15:26<petn-randall>tzafrir: The apache gives an error 500? Check the logs.
15:26<tzafrir>The error I see in Apache's logs: Syntax error in type map, no ':' in /var/www/repo/arm/linux-image-3.2.0-am335xpsp.04.06.00.11.var.r13.deb for header !<arch>\n
15:26<tzafrir>This seems to come from /etc/apache2/magic
15:28<tzafrir>Well, I figure I'll have to look at the code tommorow
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15:59<el0226>can anyone help me with http://pastebin.com/RUVChdcu ? trying to limit listed ports for udp protocol, but for some reason udp services on other ports are also being effected still.
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16:00<el0226>limiting ports 27960 - 28000, udp protocol to 5mbit download and 4kbps upload. unfortunately it seems to slow down my teamspeak session and anything else that uses udp as well.
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16:12<petn-randall>el0226: Most filesharing clients support bandwidth throttling, that might be easier to configure.
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16:13<petn-randall>el0226: Also ingress throttling will only result in dropped packages, so that's best to avoid.
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16:21<petn-randall>el0226: How come you want to throttle a game then? Wouldn't that just break the game when you start dropping packets?
16:21<el0226>my internet gets spikes and im attempting to stabilize my ping
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16:22<el0226>it works the way i have it set up except for when i use other applications that also use UDP, then there isnt enough bandwidth
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16:23<el0226>so what im attempting to do is limit just the game individually but to no avail
16:24<sney>it sounds like you're looking for QoS
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16:32<linuxator>and ToS
16:32<linuxator>el0226, wondershaper
16:34<el0226>ok i will take a look
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16:34<simNIX>petn-randall, maybe consider capping your up and down of your router @ 95% of posible speed - so that nothing / nor the sum of streams can saturate your link - I expect that wil help in general
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16:35<simNIX>(or a valua around that)
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16:36<simNIX>(the total amount up/down)
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16:36<linuxator>yes specially if there are many connections
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16:42<linuxator>el0226, , give a check at Darkstat too
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16:43<marsboer>tc match is not a very flexible way to match traffic for shaping
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16:44<marsboer>you will find that using iptables and fwmark to actually select the traffic into the different priorites and classes is much more granular and understandable
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16:45<el0226>linuxator, currently looking at pyshaper
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16:46<marsboer>you will also need an IFB interface for smooth shaping of incoming traffic
16:47<marsboer>combine them with fq_codel queues and you have a shaper that is almost indestructible regardless of load
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16:48<linuxator>el0226, is it for home usage? pyshaper looks nice
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17:43<pbologna>Hello, anyone up for a question regarding masquerading? clients behind masq get connections dropping on web downloads (and maybe others) ... even fixing their mtu low (1300-1400) it doesn't get fixed
17:44<stderr_dk>pbologna: Put you iptables rules on http://paste.debian.net/ and someone might take a look at it.
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17:45<pbologna>already cutted it all to three lines
17:45<pbologna>/sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $EXTIF -j MASQUERADE
17:45<pbologna>/sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -o $INTIF -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
17:45<pbologna>/sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i $INTIF -o $EXTIF -j ACCEPT
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17:53<Guest8693>Is there something here that causes update to fail http://pastebin.com/Kyk3rfqg
17:54<themill>dpkg: tell Guest8693 about pastebin.com
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17:56<pbologna>what to be said about pastepin?
17:56<pbologna>*pastebin
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18:00<Guest8693>For some reason update gives this error http://paste.debian.net/70062/
18:00<themill>Guest8693: looks like you need to "apt-get update"
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18:04<pbologna>only by lower mtu (<1300) iptables masq seems to not kill randomly my connections...anyone about this?
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18:14<petn-randall>simNIX: wrong name, you meant el0226 :)
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18:26<simNIX>petn-randall, tnx for pointer - reading back i should have spotted that but sleepy get's me at times :o)
18:26<simNIX>time for diving in here - have good rest day all
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18:30<usrnix>Hi, I have installed iceweasel from debian.net, one day I installed a the experimental(aurora) version, how can I get back to the other one? apt doesn't see anything to replace when I change back :s
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18:53<babilen>usrnix: Remove what you have, install new.
18:55<devil>hm, aurora works perfect for me for ages
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18:56<usrnix>babilen: I installed the debian default desktop, which iceweasel is apparently a part of, so I have to remove gnome to remove iceweasel..
18:57<SamB>usrnix: note that gnome is a metapackage
18:57<SamB>so you *can* ask to not have the dependencies removed
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18:58<babilen>usrnix: No, you don't. Simply install a smaller metapackage and mark whatever else you want to keep as manually installed. Use "apt-mark manual FOO" or "apt-get install FOO" for the latter. See <install gnome> for an overview of available metapackages. (/msg dpkg install gnome)
18:58<SamB>(I mean, the other dependencies)
18:58<SamB>like babilen just explained
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18:59<babilen>usrnix: This is an old problem that has been discussed and unfortunately we still install a large "gnome" metapackage. I'm not happy with it, but it is not too hard to work around. My personal take would be to install gnome-core or gnome-session and to take it from there. The "gnome" package itself is not needed.
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19:02<usrnix>babilen: Ah that's unfortunate, maybe one day guix~; What should I apt-mark manual?
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19:03<babilen>usrnix: I would start by installing, say, gnome-core or gnome-session. Check what will be removed if you remove the "gnome" package and mark *everything* as manually installed that you want to keep. Also keep in mind that it is fairly easy to install things once you need them later.
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19:03<SamB>usrnix: well, you could run "apt-cache show gnome" and then mark any of the dependencies you either want or don't know about ...
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19:06<usrnix>Thanks, I think I'm going to wipe since I was going to anyway soon so the properly will go away (i'll install gnome manually next time to avoid this), SamB, Are you saying I need to manually select each gnome dep as manual? (there are a lot)
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19:08<babilen>usrnix: I can tell you a command to mark all dependencies as manually installed, but do you *really* want all of them?
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19:08<usrnix>babilen: I don't know? I just want GNOME but not the currently installed version of Iceweasel ^^;
19:09<babilen>What is Gnome for you?
19:09<babilen>Did you read the package descriptions in <install gnome> yet?
19:09<usrnix>No idea, I don't make the package :P What is needed for GNOME to be on my screen normally? with Nautilus and it's default apps?
19:10<usrnix>Don't worry thanks, I'll just wipe like I was gonna anyway
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19:10<babilen>For that you need gnome-session and nautilus and whatever you consider to be "default app[lications]"
19:11<babilen>The latter is were it gets complicated ;)
19:11<babilen>usrnix: Why do you plan to wipe?
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19:13<usrnix>babilen: nothing to do with debian, debian is the best(expect its package manager)
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19:13<babilen>expect?
19:13<petn-randall>usrnix: I think there are quite a few frontends to pick from which look quite fine. The backend itself is quite solid, IMHO.
19:13<usrnix>except*
19:14<babilen>What's wrong with it?
19:14<usrnix>Just this issue of 'to remove your browser you must uninstall your entire DE'
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19:15<petn-randall>usrnix: "To remove your browser you need to remove the metapackage that depends on it."
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19:15<petn-randall>usrnix: As babilen said, you can still keep your DE :)
19:15<babilen>usrnix: Well you installed Debian that way. I am sorry that the installer sets it up in this braindead manner and, believe me, I would have changed that ages ago, but that has nothing to do with the packaging system.
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19:15<usrnix>ok, sorry APT :P
19:15<babilen>usrnix: And that being said: It is really quite easy to work around it now that you realised that you installed it wrongly.
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19:16<babilen>usrnix: No, what is wrong here is that the default installation installs this large gnome package ... and believe I tried to change it: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/10/msg00117.html
19:17<zykotick9>usrnix: you might want to see "/msg dpkg remove rhythmbox" for a blueprint to "break" metapackages
19:17<usrnix>zykotick9: I'll take a look thx
19:18<ronron>Hello guys i am having a problem with my last install i was useing wheezy 7,0 and then i had to do a reinstall of my OS and now when i done the new install it was the wheezy 7.2 now i know this shouldnt have an affect on anything but i am writing a c++ program and after compiling wheezy 7.2 just wants to just open a terminal window and close it really fast and on 7.0 the terminal windows would stay open and run the program
19:18<babilen>usrnix: That is exactly the command I was referring to earlier, but you elaborated that you don't want to work on this anymore. (as you are wiping anyway)
19:18<ronron>what is going on
19:18<usrnix>babilen: I tried what I interpretted but it didn't work
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19:19<babilen>usrnix: So, what have you done, what happened and what do you *want* to happen?
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19:19<babilen>(make ample use of http://paste.debian.net to show us commands and output)
19:19<helmut_>Stroke,2012.
19:19<babilen>helmut_: Can we help you?
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19:20<ronron>anyone see somthing i am missing or did i forget to install something
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19:21<petn-randall>ronron: (Punctuation would have made your initial text a lot more readable ...)
19:21<petn-randall>ronron: Can't you just open a terminal and run your application?
19:21<babilen>(yeah, I gave up reading it)
19:22<ronron>petn-randall sorry english is second lang. but on 7.0 that was what i did and no problem 7.2 i click run in terminal and it opens and closed really fast
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19:23<ronron>petn-randall never had this problem before to try and guess or know what is really going on with it
19:24<babilen>ronron: I guess that your terminal configuration changed and that the terminal closes as soon as the program terminates. The best way to deal with this is to *not* use "run in terminal", but to open a terminal and run the program in there. That way it won't be closed as soon as whatever you run terminates.
19:24<ronron>petn-randall and in terminal i go to the program and type ./NAME HERE and it just says my username@hostname:~/CCPP
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19:24<rostam>HI I would like upon ssh to my system the /etc/profile to be sourced, is there a way to configured this on any login? thx
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19:25<petn-randall>ronron: No problem, most people here don't speak english as their native language. But adding '.' at the end of every sentence will make the non-native speakers understand your text even better. :)
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19:25<babilen>ronron: Alternatively you can change your terminal configuration to not close itself once whatever has been executed terminates.
19:25<petn-randall>ronron: If there's no error message then your program simply doesn't output anything. You might need to recompile/link it after upgrading.
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19:26<ronron>petn-randall when i write code in ruby or c++ the same problem is there
19:26<petn-randall>ronron: That there's no output?
19:26<ronron>should be
19:26<ronron>i know my code is right
19:27<ronron>and other programs that i wrote in the past that ran just fine before on my last OS wont even work on this new install
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19:28<babilen>ronron: You might want to discuss your code in, ##c++ on irc.freenode.net (or show it to us on http://paste.debian.net) as it is very hard to help you without further information. but the terminal doesn't close if you don't use "run in terminal" so that problem is solved?
19:29<petn-randall>ronron: If there's no output, and your program is right, where's the problem then?
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19:32<ronron>petn-randall that is the same question i am asking my self i have made a pieace of software a 4 months ago and been using if for a while and never had a problem with it just will not work on 7.2 dont see why it wouldnt
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19:33<ronron>just dont make any scense
19:33<babilen>ronron: Should there be output?
19:34<bremner>ronron: did you try running your code in a debugger?
19:34<ronron>yes
19:34<babilen>ronron: Could you show us your code on http://paste.debian.net ? Could you also include your exact command and its output (or lack thereof?)
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19:35<ronron>it was a pieace of software i made for school it is kinda of like the linux aplication sort but does a little more i know it is good been using it alot just problem now after install
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19:35<bremner>software doesn't work by faith. You have to debug it.
19:36<ronron>babilen sure let me pull it off the usb and ill let you look at it
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19:36<bremner>and yes, libraries change and break your software. It's annoying, but it happens
19:36<themill>(unlikely between 7.0 and 7.2 however)
19:36<bremner>true enough.
19:37<ronron>i know that i am not new to it but at the same time i am not saying i am great eather
19:37<ronron>to many things can happen
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20:14<usrnix>What package do I need to unmarkauto to break up the GNOME metapackage? tried gnome, gnome-core, gnome-desktop-environment; still wants to remove all when I try remove iceweasel :s
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20:18<bremner>probably the metapackages a hard dependency on iceweasel
20:18<bremner>+have
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20:20<bremner>at least gnome-core does.
20:20<SamB>what do they think "core" *means*?
20:21<bremner>uh, well. let's not go there.
20:21<SamB>yeah it was a mess last time ...
20:21<SamB>at least iceweasel can be more-or-less ignored, modulo disk-space
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20:22<usrnix>SamB: I have a bad version installed and I'm trying to go back, I remember the phrase 'Apt doesnt do downgrades' though..
20:22<SamB>usrnix: you want to downgrade one package?
20:22<SamB>which package?
20:22<SamB>if iceweasel, your profile might easily break
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20:23<usrnix>SamB: Iceweasel, I use the moziall.debian.net version, I tried the experimental version a week or so ago after hearing about some features but changing back to my normal branch and running dist-upgrade didn't work.. and removing iceweasel tries to drag GNOME away with it now
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20:24<usrnix>(This one time (never again) I used the 'Default Desktop Environment' option in the debian installer)
20:24<SamB>it's presumably just as bad if you pick "GNOME" explicitly even if that's an option
20:24<SamB>also I have no idea why there is an option called "Default Desktop Environment"
20:26<usrnix>'Debian Desktop Environment'? The one that does GNOME automatically :P
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20:28<planetmaker>you simply cannot do without defaults. You always want to have an install mode where one can say always 'yes' and end up with a reasonable system
20:29<planetmaker>thus it makes sense to always call one choice (also) 'default'
20:29<themill>The problem the gnome maintainers have is that enough users have tried pruning various dependencies off it to make a smaller install and then complain that it doesn't work properly. The result is that Depends get used instead of Recommends and the dependencies get added further into the "core" packages.
20:29<planetmaker>(well, obviously you can do w/o defaults, but that's a PITA, too)
20:29<babilen>The way this is handled is broken. There is no denying it.
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20:31<planetmaker>well, I need to switch back to KDE. People start laughing at me as I inadvertly leave channels when using ctrl+w on the wrong window - still expecting to have a working 'focus on mouse over' feature on my desktop ;)
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20:32<usrnix>I want an up-to-date GNOME repo for debian, all those features, so far away~
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20:34<petn-randall>usrnix: If you have SNS-Syndrom, you can always install testing/sid, but you should know your way around Debian before doing it.
20:35<planetmaker>SNS?
20:35<stderr_dk>planetmaker: Did you find a solution to the mjpeg splitting problem?
20:35<stderr_dk>dpkg: Tell planetmaker about sns
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20:36<planetmaker>not yet. But I was also held-up by other matters
20:37<planetmaker>haha, sns :) yeah, I have that sometimes
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20:55<darkangel>hello peeps
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20:56<Guest8713>lol thx alot deb
20:56<Guest8713>=)
21:00<petn-randall>Guest8474: Glad you like it! :)
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21:14<DeepBlue>how 2 get firefox in wheezy?
21:14<petn-randall>DeepBlue: Two windows? Two different versions?
21:14<SamB>DeepBlue: "apt-get install iceweasel" and squint
21:15<SamB>!2
21:15<dpkg>It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL.
21:15<petn-randall>DeepBlue: Oh, I see, sorry. Install iceweasel, it's the same, just a different branding.
21:16<DeepBlue>what is iceweasel?
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21:16<petn-randall>DeepBlue: It's the same as firefox, just a different branding.
21:16<stderr_dk>DeepBlue: The name "Firefox" is trademarked, so Debian can't call it Firefox if they change anything in the source (e.g. to fix bugs). Therefore it's called Iceweasel in Debian.
21:16<DeepBlue>ok,thanx
21:16<stderr_dk>It's pretty much the same thing.
21:17<SamB>DeepBlue: it's a slightly modified firefox, but the idea of letting anyone modify firefox without their approval and still use the firefox branding scared Mozilla so it's branded differently
21:17<DeepBlue>ok,i c now
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21:18<SamB>(this is a thing that Debian demands that its users be permitted to do)
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21:19<SamB>it should still start when you run "firefox" on the commandline, afaik
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21:36<TITI>jaja
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21:36<TITI>no
21:37<TITI>holaaaaaaaaaaaa todo bn
21:37<TITI>jaja
21:37<themill>!es-social TITI
21:37<dpkg>TITI: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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21:40<TITI>q hago
21:40<TITI>ahora
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22:13<sivik>anyone know after install the ati legacy drivers on wheezy how to configure dual monitors? It didn't install amdcccle to do it
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23:38<xeon-enouf>hi SamB nocturnal ompaul, etc .. I finally decided to attack the issue head on; after some ''gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 8B48AD6246925553 | sudo apt-key add -'' and follow-up 'apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg' et al commands (various), and switching back/forth my sources.list (from squeeze<->wheezy; which likely wasn't required) My 'apt-get update' is good to go ;-)
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23:38<SamB>nice
23:39<xeon-enouf>and yes; i have the release-notes for both saved locally, for review; thanks for the heads up
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23:39<xeon-enouf>;-)
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23:39<SamB>also make sure you don't skip squeeze though ...
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23:40<xeon-enouf>um...
23:40<xeon-enouf>i'm beyond squeeze
23:40<SamB>in that case, you don't have anything to worry about
23:41<xeon-enouf>FWIW, i don't use any firmware (old old i386 systems w/nv drivers)
23:41<xeon-enouf>thanks
23:41<SamB>you might want to install it anyway in case there were some blobs that got excised from the kernel since
23:41<xeon-enouf>SamB: i want to reboot once, basically ;-)
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23:42<SamB>(the firmware, I mean)
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23:43<xeon-enouf>sure; i loathe blobs, and would never suggest my methods for people who use blobs
23:43<SamB>how do you know there aren't any in the kernel that's running now?
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23:44<xeon-enouf>SamB: curious ... what Browser do you use for say even youtube? I use links2 mostly, but, as you know, libflash-nonfree is needed - and worse, now, HTML5 nonsense, ... ugh
23:44<xeon-enouf>SamB: taint?
23:44<xeon-enouf>SamB: it's a Debian 2.6.30 running now
23:45<SamB>if I wanted to watch something on youtube I'd probably use my mom's computer, since mine are slow ...
23:46<xeon-enouf>hehe
23:46<xeon-enouf>SamB: slower than mine? Is she running windows?
23:46<SamB>it's actually a mac
23:47<xeon-enouf>ok
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23:47<xeon-enouf>atleast there's some freebsd there .. however NSA compromised, heh
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23:58<xeon-enouf>SamB: et al, do you see anything wrong with this output of ''sudo gpg --list-keys'' http://sprunge.us/cKjM
23:59<SamB>xeon-enouf: I don't think it matters what keys are in root's user keyring?
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