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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-12-10

---Logopened Tue Dec 10 00:00:16 2013
00:00<xeon-enouf>hrm, i think it's paramount...
00:00<xeon-enouf>!dak
00:00<dpkg>dak (debian archive kit) is the set of scripts that manage the Debian archives. See http://ftp-master.debian.org/git/dak.git or http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=mirror/dak.git for the code. dak transfers packages from unstable to testing (and from incoming to unstable) at {1,7,13,19}:52 UTC each day. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDak
00:01<xeon-enouf>kit? .. wth.. should be debian-archive-*keyring*, or so i thought
00:02<xeon-enouf>SamB: since, when one uses sudo, ones EUID is root, no?
00:03<SamB>apt avoids that keyring, though
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00:04<xeon-enouf>hrm... makes sense, since i had to manually add them using ' ..apt-key add... ' but i had to point to that file
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00:25<koanhead>Hi all, has anyone here ever tried to 'downgrade' from sid to testing?
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00:54<rjsalts>koanhead: not recommended, but you can downgrade the packages. Whether config files from newer version work or what have you could be interesting, databases even moreso, etc.
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00:55<rjsalts>koanhead: you could certainly point your apt sources at testing and wait until the version in testing exceeded the one you had installed with very little drama
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01:07<koanhead>rjsalts: I think I will try that and see what breaks
01:08<koanhead>I don't have a lot of complicated stuff on the machine in question, so I'll hope for the best
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01:09<rjsalts>koanhead: have a look at the apt-pinning howtos on how it decides to install stuff. I think if you set stuff up over a certain priority it will downgrade packages.
01:10<rjsalts>https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences
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01:30<Schnabeltier>i got my handy on and Wyse WT9450XE with an "VIA C3 Samuel 2" processor, added an harddrive which is recognized by bios and now i want to install debian with the netinstall image, but i am unsure which version to choose. the i386 one? the arm one?
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01:32<niko_20010>i386
01:32<niko_20010>VIA C3 is x86
01:33<Schnabeltier>okay then i choosed the right version... now i´m stuck at booting from usb...
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01:41<acald3ron>what the problem ?
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01:42<Schnabeltier>doesn´t want to boot from usb, going to bootloops, can´t see any error
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01:55<Schnabeltier>everytime at veryring dmi data he reboots
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02:14<Schnabeltier>took another usb stick and it bootet, i´ve chossen the normal grub loader and now it´s stuck at: A20 Debug: C806 done! ...
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02:17<Schnabeltier>now tried to choose the PloP manager and it´s stuck at "Booting GRUB"
02:18<Schnabeltier>"Launching GRUB" not booting
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03:00<Schnabeltier>still can´t get a point why it won´t install
03:00<Schnabeltier>even google isn´t helping
03:01<jm_>because it's outdated hardware no longer tested with modern kernels etc?
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03:06<Schnabeltier>mhm, is it possible to install an older debian version?
03:06<Schnabeltier>with an older kernel or such a thing?
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03:12<apoc_>SynrG: hi.. do you happen to be online? :)
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03:29<jm_>sure, you can find old releases on the archive site
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03:47<stelicho>hi all, I am having some problems with mpd and ncmpcpp. mpd days thay it is already connected when I start it and ncmpcpp can't find the music in the directory I put in the mpd.conf file
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04:24<SynrG>apoc_: what's up?
04:25<jvt>hey
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04:25<jvt>hello
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04:27<musca>hello jvt, just ask your debian related support questions.
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04:28<jvt>no Qs so far, just trying out apps
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04:29<jvt>and setting up my email exchange account
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04:34<madduck>Given a PDF that is DIN A6, how can I tell it to print it to my A4 printer such that it's rotated 90° and at the top of the A4 page, centred?
04:34<madduck>then it would print directly onto A6 in the manual slot
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04:34<madduck>glabels can do that, but how do I do it with a PDF?
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04:55<apoc_>Does anyone happen to know in which timzone SynrG lives in? :P
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04:56<jm_>AFAIK it's CET
04:56<apoc_>thanks for the info
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04:57<madduck>i thought he was in .ca
04:58<apoc_>that would make quite a difference :)
04:58<jm_>then I am totally wrong
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04:59<SynrG>you are totally wrong
04:59<musca>madduck: i found this http://www.butlerpc.net/blog/2013/03/how-to-rotate-a-multi-page-pdf-in-ubuntu-linux/
04:59<SynrG>a) i am in .ca b) .ca isn't a timezone, so ... ;)
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05:00<SynrG>i'm in AST (UTC-4)
05:00<SynrG>but i get up ridiculously early in the morning, which might confuse some people
05:01<apoc_>oh.. hi SynrG! you did.. i thought 06:00 AM is too early!
05:01<SynrG>i'm up at 5
05:01<SynrG>and on here about 5:30 ...
05:01<SynrG>05:24 < SynrG> apoc_: what's up?
05:02<apoc_>o.O I couldn't handle that.. I was wondering if you came by a solution, for the xscreensaver delay problem, by any chance ;)
05:03<SynrG>no, i did not
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05:03<SynrG>instead of stalking me for a solution, though, just follow the bug ;)
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05:04<apoc_>ok, thanks for the help anyways.. I didn't stalk you :P I was just, as you told me to, waiting ;)
05:04<SynrG>yeah, i know. and i'm just gently teasing. i saw you look for me earlier and i didn't happen to be back in time to answer you.
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05:06<SynrG>when i found my test platform was unsuitable for unrelated reasons, my enthusiasm for pursuing the solution dropped off :p
05:06<SynrG>it's in the hands of the maintainers. they know there's an issue, and i trust will work something out.
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05:10<apoc_>i see :) it sure was nice to put that much effort in for me ;)
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05:12<SynrG>apoc_: well, i was aware of the issue before you raised it, and hadn't looked into it. so, partly guilt motivated, i guess? :p
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05:20<apoc_>darn.. gotta got.. phone battery is dying and I'm thetering.. bye and have a good one!
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05:32<deepblue>hi117, how to get transmission in debian wheezy?
05:33<babilen>deepblue: If you want the GTK frontend: apt-get install transmission-gtk
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05:34<babilen>deepblue: I would recommend to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html and <wheezy sources.list> <search> and <http.debian.net> (/msg dpkg search)
05:34<deepblue>babilen, ok,thanx
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05:36<deepblue>babilen, u fogot to tell me to install lightdm yesterday
05:36<babilen>deepblue: Sorry, I don't quite follow. Could you rephrase that?
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05:37<deepblue>i asked u about the minimum system installatin
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05:38<deepblue>but it worked thanx to u
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05:43<babilen>dpkg: tell deepblue -about u
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05:44<deepblue>babilen, ok,sorry
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05:44<babilen>hehe, no problem :)
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05:45<deepblue>babilen, but i couldn't start xfce without lightgdm
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05:46<babilen>deepblue: That shouldn't be the case, but yes .. it makes sense to install a display manager such as gdm3 or lightdm. You should have been able to use startx to start an xfce4 session, but using a DM is certainly the nicer (and less error-prone) solution.
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07:10<tzafrir>I asked yesterday why I had a problem downloading a file called: linux-image-3.2.0-am335xpsp.04.06.00.11.var.r13.deb
07:11<tzafrir>Issue fixed by rem-out of the following line in /etc/apache2/mods-available/mime.conf: AddHandler type-map var
07:12<tzafrir>It turns out a deb file is not a valid apache type map
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07:38<sisyphu>how to use arpon to defend arp attack? what exactly the command to use?
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07:41<sisyphu>VERY SORRY FOR MY QUESTION.
07:41<Stummi>whats a "arp attack"?
07:41<sisyphu>arp spoofing
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07:43<Stummi>doesn't arpon has a documentation?
07:45<sisyphu>yeah i don't know much English and now suffering from ARP spoofing
07:46<sisyphu>maybe just arpon -d or arpon -s ?
07:46<Stummi>No idea. I don't use arpon
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07:48<sisyphu>what u guys use to defend against arp spoofing?
07:50<Stummi>never hat a situation yet where arp spoofing would be a problem
07:50<Stummi>*had
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07:58<petn-randall>sisyphu: If your attacker is on the same net as you, you have bigger problems. You can pin IPs to MAC addresses in /etc/ethers, though. See 'man ethers' for details.
07:58<petn-randall>Damn, left :(
07:58<ixi>I beleive the term is arp packet storm
07:59<ixi>one way to deal with it is to disable arp at all
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07:59<petn-randall>ARP spoofing isn't the same as a packet storm.
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08:01<petn-randall>Hey everyone, I've hit a weird bug I'd like to verify before reporting. We're running amavisd-new here as a spam filter. However, when somebody writes an e-mail with three " on a single line, this gets tagged as "BANNED: text/plain,.exe". Can anyone confirm this?
08:01<petn-randall>It would really make me chuckle if this bug went unnoticed for so long.
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09:36<wandeson>Hello good day I downloaded the mini linux CD (containing boot.img.gz, initrd.gz) like to know how to make changes and updates initrd it
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09:36<flo1546796>hi folk, is anyone know a website that describe return states of package tools like dpkg, apt, or aptitude ?
09:36<planetmaker>their man pages, flo1546796 ?
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09:39<wandeson>Hi
09:39<wandeson>Hello good day I downloaded the mini linux CD (containing boot.img.gz, initrd.gz like to know how to make changes and updates initrd it
09:39<wandeson>I obtain http://pastebin.com/QdRJfEKA
09:41<wandeson>and http://pastebin.com/uX9mxGZ8
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09:47<flo1546796>planetmaker, i already check but there is not reference to return code. The only thing that seems to be in reference is the description of "--debug" option, but not thing explain that it is codes error interval
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09:51<planetmaker>http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/sect.manipulating-packages-with-dpkg.html <-- 0 or 1
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09:58<petn-randall>flo1546796: Just check if they return 0. I think the developers didn't document the other error levels on purpose so they can change them in the future.
09:59<flo1546796>petn-randall, ok
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10:01<flo1546796>petn-randall, or they use errno.h :p (http://www.virtsync.com/c-error-codes-include-errno)
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11:04<LordLiam>Looking for help to install qdvdauthor on Debain 7.2 wheezy
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11:05<LordLiam>anyone here using qdvdauthor on Debian Wheezy?
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11:32<Anna>hi
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11:33<petn-randall>!ask
11:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
11:33<Anna>Help me
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11:39<LtL>Anna: we cannot help you unless you say something
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11:43<thief_and_a_liar>lol
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11:43<thief_and_a_liar>where is the OT room?
11:44<pinguy>forget it we're here
11:44<thief_and_a_liar>oh, lol
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11:44<pinguy>we're in the matrix
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11:44<thief_and_a_liar>of course
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11:45<pinguy>i can't find that neo guy
11:46<thief_and_a_liar>I don't have any problems with linux after I installed crunchbang, which I understand is based on debian
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11:46<pinguy>cruchbang is great and it is based on debian
11:47<pinguy>but i don't know if it is based on the stable repositories or not
11:47<pinguy>stable version, whatever
11:47<thief_and_a_liar>how do I check?
11:47<thief_and_a_liar>ah
11:48<pinguy>i think you can check that in the crunchbang page
11:48<babilen>dpkg: crunchbang
11:48<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>.
11:48<babilen>pinguy, thief_and_a_liar: This is the Debian support channel. Please take it elsewhere, thank you.
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11:49<pinguy>I use Ubuntu
11:49<thief_and_a_liar>lol
11:49<pinguy>and Arch
11:49<thief_and_a_liar>nice
11:49<babilen>Either way, this is a technical support channel for Debian. Please take it elsewhere.
11:49<pinguy>how do you run all windows apps on arch?
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11:51<babilen>dpkg: tell root about root
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12:13<TiagoTT>hi there!
12:13<TiagoTT>I am having a strange issue, maybe it is a package bug
12:14<TiagoTT>on Debian Stable 7.2, using backports "deb http://mirrors.bk.sapo.pt/debian/debian wheezy-backports main"
12:14<TiagoTT>apt-cache show nginx | grep Version
12:14<TiagoTT>Version: 1.4.4-1~bpo70+1
12:14<TiagoTT>Version: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy2
12:14<TiagoTT>Version: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy1
12:15<TiagoTT>after installing the most recent version from the backport
12:15<TiagoTT>nginx -v
12:15<TiagoTT>nginx version: nginx/1.2.1
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12:16<TiagoTT>the package was installed with command: apt-get install nginx=1.4.4-1~bpo70+1
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12:17<TiagoTT>I can't figure out where is the problem, is this really version 1.4.4 as the package number says, or is it version 1.2.1 as NGINX says
12:17<TiagoTT>?
12:18<LtL>TiagoTT: you installed wrong
12:18<petn-randall>TiagoTT: What does 'dpkg -l nginx' give you?
12:18<TiagoTT>dpkg -l nginx
12:18<petn-randall>TiagoTT: It would also be great if you could paste the command and the output to http://paste.debian.net
12:18<TiagoTT>Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
12:18<TiagoTT>| Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
12:18<TiagoTT>|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
12:18<TiagoTT>||/ Name Version Architecture Description
12:18<dpkg>ii nginx 1.4-15 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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12:19<petn-randall>... or not.
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12:20<TiagoTT>ups, sorry about the flood
12:20<planetmaker>maybe the kick reason should contain a hint why (please re-join; don't paste in channel; use http:/...)
12:20<petn-randall>TiagoTT: Pay attention to /topic ... :)
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12:20<LtL>petn-randall: isn't it, apt-get -t wheezy-backports install <package> ?
12:20<gsimmons>TiagoTT: Your command only installs the nginx 1.4.4-1~bpo70+1 package, but leaves nginx-common and nginx-full at their 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy2 versions. You should have used "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install nginx".
12:20*LtL retreats to the cave
12:21<TiagoTT>aaahhhhh! thanks
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12:41<Davidbrooke>Hello...I'm somwhat new to debian....I'm using sid and looking to install an experimental package mesa 10. This site says that mesa 10 is in experimental...http://qa.debian.org but when I try to verify via synaptic or apt-cache policy...they only show the exisiting ver 9.2.2....any ideas?
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12:41<magicarpe>yo
12:42<mtn>Davidbrooke: sid support is on #debian-next
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12:42<Davidbrooke>mtn ty
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13:01<raffo>\lis
13:01<raffo>\list
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13:04<drazik>how do i install Gecko on ubuntu 13.04?
13:04<zykotick9>drazik: try #ubuntu on freenode
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13:09<rryoumaa>i got an input/output error while doing rsync to hard drive (new seagate backup plus usb external 4tb with cryptsetup and ext4). http://sprunge.us/VjNJ is the log output. what does it mean?
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13:10<trpr_>not sure if is right place to ask. looking for help with pulse/alsa/possible sound driver issue. sometimes sound works fine on boot. sometimes sound doesnt load. when it does load, i have an intermittent problem with no new mail sound in icedove (wav file will play when play is pressed, but not when new mail arrives) running debian 7.2 w/ xfce on an HP laptop with AMD/ATI Trinity hardware. thanks and, sorry if i am posting in wrong place
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13:10<babylon>hello - when i boot my laptop, after grub, when all the text is scrolling over my screen with OK's marked in green > how does this call? and can i print this or find the text in a log file somewhere?
13:10<trpr_><has searched forums, and google
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13:11<zykotick9>!tell babylon about bootlog
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13:12<babylon>zykotick9, thanks :)
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13:13<linuxator>babylon, on general logs are under /var/log you want as root to check bootlog
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13:17<trpr_>i think i got it fixed, thanks anyhow and hope all have a great day
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13:17<linuxator>trpr_, what was it?
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13:26<babylon>i installed latest backported kernel in wheezy... all working but i get following error/warning message during bootlog
13:26<babylon>3.350016 platform microcode firmware agent aborted loading intel-ucode/06-1c-02 not found
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13:26<Oni_>Just a question. Bought a new Thinkpad and was wondering if I could switch my current drive over and keep my linux install without much hassle. Using Debian and encrypted LVM. My current laptop has a discrete Nvidia card (555M) and the new one will have 2 755Ms in SLI.
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13:27<stderr_dk>babylon: apt-file search intel-ucode/06-1c-02 might be handy.
13:28<petn-randall>Oni_: That should work out of the box, assuming they both boot either via BIOS or both via UEFI.
13:28<Oni_>The only thing I might need to mess with is bumblebee, right?
13:28<petn-randall>dpkg: tell babylon about firmware
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13:29<petn-randall>Oni_: Maybe, but booting itself should work out of the box. You may need to fiddle with the bumblebee drivers, I have no experience with this.
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13:30<Oni_>Alright, thought that was the case, appreciate it.
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13:33<babylon>stderr_dk, petn-randall, thanks, apt-get install intel-microcode fixed it :)
13:33<stderr_dk>Excellent.
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14:24<ivanoov_>hi :)
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14:24<amzal>Hi room :) I'm running Wheezy since the release and all is working realy fine but on each boot, just after "waiting for /dev to be fully populated", this message appears "[drm:intel_dsm_platform_mux_info] *ERROR* MUX INFO call failed". I'm in a Lenovo laptop but i got this message in another Dell laptop too. It's realy annoying because i dont know if is a serious issue or not. There is an old bug in Red Hat "https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=84638
14:24<amzal>2" and another one in Debian "http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=685108" but it seems that in Debian the "problem" is not solved yet...Anyone know what mean the message i recieve and if is an issue or something?
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14:25<SynrG>amzal: do things otherwise work well?
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14:26<amzal>SynrG: yes, all is working fine.
14:26<SamB>amzal: do you have heterogenous GPUs on these systems?
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14:27<amzal>SynrG: i'm a newbie aso what you mean by heterogenous GPUs?
14:27<SynrG>i guess it's not serious then
14:27<SamB>like, an Intel GPU and a nVidia/ATI GPU
14:27<SynrG>that was not me
14:27<SamB>it was me
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14:28<SamB>I was assuming a completo
14:28<amzal>SamB: ok . so my Lenovo comes with Intel
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14:28<amzal>and is a Windows $ ( laptop
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14:28<amzal>windows 8
14:30<SamB>anyway I think I've seen people mention messages including "MUX" in relation to such systems before, so I'm guessing it has something to do with selecting which GPU to use?
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14:30<blast007>amzal: seems it's not an important message. https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/b2dbf316f32b44d174445f868a39b37e4608541e
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14:31<amzal>ichanged bios to legacy, deleted windos 8 and installed unnoficial windows 7 (pirated dvd) and i installed Wheezy. too
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14:31<SamB>so if you turn out to have another GPU as well, I guess that probably isn't going to be doing anything for you ... and if you don't, maybe that's why it failed in the first place
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14:31<SamB>or I could be guessing wrong and it could be about anothur multiplexer entirely
14:33<amzal>in my Dell laptop i was getting the same message when i installed Wheezy but now (in Dell laptop) i'm running Jessie with kernel 3.11-2 and i dont get the message. so maybe the "issue" is related to the kernel?
14:33<amzal>in Wheezy is kernel 3.2-4
14:33<amzal>i think so
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14:37<blast007>amzal: well... my link *did* go to the linux kernel source, so yes, it's kernel related ;)
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14:39<blast007>amzal: seems like 3.5.0 (or so) removed the message
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14:40<amzal>blast007: ok ok. i saw the link. yes i dont recieve the message with 3.11 kernel. So is realy not and issue as Red Hat dev. say's? I would like know what Debian linux-image mainteners think ;)
14:41<blast007>just ignore the message
14:42<SynrG>if you experience none of the retorted associated issues (problems resuming from sleep is one) …
14:42<SynrG>reported*
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14:44<amzal>blast007: ok ok. i have no choice ;) bcuz wheezy kernel still with 3.2-4. so just ignoring the message...
14:44<david89>Hello. Do backports exists for wheezy?
14:44<babilen>david89: yes, they do
14:44<amzal>SynrG: no i have no problems resuming from sleep or hibernate.... all is working great.
14:44<babilen>dpkg: tell david89 about backports
14:45<babilen>dpkg: tell david89 about wheezy-backports
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14:46<david89>babilen: I was confused by the backports package search page. I guess it needs to be updated to add wheezy-backports to the search combobox
14:46<babilen>david89: I'm not in charge of that, you could raise it on the backports mailing list.
14:47<david89>Another question if I may. Is qt-default the same as qt-sdk? I'm looking for a way to install only libraries, no dev packages
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14:47<amzal>but in simple words what mean concretly the message? what's drm mux info...?
14:48<blast007>david89: I don't even see qt-default
14:48<daswort>hi, is there something about the DBAD license on the mailing list? Because it looks a bit a like non-free license.
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14:49<daswort>http://www.dbad-license.org/
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14:50<amzal>SamB: blast007: SynrG: thank's for your clarifications and opinions :)
14:51<SynrG>np
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14:56<Guest8807>alguien me lee?
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14:59<amzal>Gest8807 aqui es sala en inglés. hay otra en español: debian-es
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15:00<SamB>so that message was so confusing even the kernel devs didn't know what it meant?
15:00<SamB>just that it seemed to be pretty much harmless?
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15:04<weilawei>Soo... the transition to putting MATE in the repos seems to have broken things.
15:04<weilawei>Anyone else running into The following packages have been kept back:
15:04<weilawei> libmateweather-common libmatewnck-common
15:04<amzal>SamB: good question :)
15:05<valdyn>!sid faq
15:05<dpkg>http://deb.li/sidfaq ; it doesn't hurt to read the FAQ, even if you are using <testing>. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html and <sid upgrade test>.
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15:05<valdyn>weilawei: ^^
15:05<weilawei>I already removed my entire MATE install and reinstalled it (with some difficulty, wound up downgrading libmatewnck-common) but I'm right back at my original issue
15:05<weilawei>valdyn ?
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15:05<weilawei>See this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/12/msg00682.html
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15:06<valdyn>weilawei: this issue is *common* and happens every other day for some package in sid
15:06<valdyn>weilawei: so read the sid faq
15:06<weilawei>valdyn, i dont run sid, thanks
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15:06<valdyn>weilawei: it also applies to testing
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15:06<weilawei>valdyn, this is the first time in months and months I've run into this
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15:07<weilawei>havent had a single hiccup in forever
15:07<valdyn>see how good the debian developers have become..
15:07<weilawei>valdyn, sure, but the thing is, the new MATE packages aren't in the repos. I'm still using MATE's repo.
15:07<valdyn>weilawei: you usually have 2 ways to fix this: 1) roll back the updates and 2) wait fot the fix to be uploaded
15:07<weilawei>i tried removing MATE's repo and apt-cache searching
15:08<valdyn>weilawei: but in testing this can sometimes take months
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15:08<valdyn>( abd rikk
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15:08<valdyn>( and rollback is not supported, but possible )
15:08<weilawei>valdyn, yeah, I wound up nuking my install and redoing it, with much complaining from apt, to get back to where I was
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15:08<weilawei>(my install of MATE, not the whole system)
15:09<valdyn>weilawei: luckily it seems you broke nothing yet and just cant upgrade / install apt-get install libmateweather-common libmatewnck-common
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15:09<weilawei>yeah, if I let it upgrade libmatewnck-common, it uninstalls the rest of MATE.
15:09<valdyn>weilawei: so dont do it
15:10<weilawei>kinda a perverse non-solution to put a core mate package in which breaks MATE
15:10<weilawei>who thought that was a good idea?
15:10<valdyn>weilawei: its not done manually usually
15:10<blast007>also, as per topic, testing/unstable support is in #debian-next
15:11<weilawei>blast007, ah thanks
15:11<valdyn>weilawei: unstable -> testing uploads happen after 10 days automatically, unless someone reported a bug to hold the package back
15:11<weilawei>valdyn, aah that explains a lot
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15:12<weilawei>I run debian jessie and pull packages from stable to cover the security updates testing doesn't get (which fixes itself later when jessie's version is higher again).. which is a configuration that has worked very very well. i didn't realize that packages got automatically moved from sid to jessie though
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15:17<valdyn>weilawei: sometimes the maintainer will file a bug against a key package so this does not happen, sometimes no one does
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15:19<weilawei>valdyn, thanks for the info.. i guess ill just have to let it go for now. I wanted to get on top of it quickly though, so I don't wind up with a permanently broken system (seems it won't be... just temporarily obnoxious)
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15:44<megu>holaa
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15:45<amzal>Debian Wheezy will update the kernel to 3.8, 3.11 or newer during it's life or will still with 3.2 and for have recent kernel versions people must use exclusivly backports?
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15:51<amzal>megu: wenas.
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15:55<amzal>Room i have another general question. the last one for today: Last week, in my Dell laptop) i instaled Jessie and created his swap; after i instaled Wheezy in the 2º / partition without swap (Debian Wheezy installer was complaining but Wheezy dont use Jessie swap. So i formated my laptop and again i want to install Wheezy and Jessie in my new Dell laptop (is core i5 and 6 gb ram) but i dont know if it's mandatory to create swap for each / partition or not
15:55<amzal>?
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15:56<tommie-lie>as long as you don't use hibernate/suspend-to-disk, both systems can use the same single swap partition
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15:58<tommie-lie>you should be able to tell the installer to use the existing partition as swap when you install the second system. or you can install it without swap and add the swap entry to /etc/fstab later (should be ok to copy it over from the first installation)
15:59<tommie-lie>then again, it's not *mandatory* to have swap, I live without swap for 4 years now
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16:00<amzal>tommie-lie: so you never hibernate or suspend?
16:01<tommie-lie>I never suspend-to-disk, I always suspend-to-ram
16:01<amzal>tommie-lie: how to suspend to ram?
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16:02<tommie-lie>amzal: I just press Fn+F4 (I have a laptop) or select "Suspend" from the Gnome menu
16:03<petn-randall>I think gnome3 banned hibernate from their menu anyway ...
16:03<babilen>dpkg: firmware
16:03<dpkg>Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware
16:03<babilen>petn-randall: ^^^
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16:04<tommie-lie>petn-randall: nope, I have the entry in the menue (because upower does not play nicely with systemd yet)
16:05<amzal>tommie-lie: select "suspend" is menu is what i do in gnome, kde or xfce. so selecting "suspend" in menu system use ram durring suspention?
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16:07<tommie-lie>petn-randall: nevermind that, seems like I got the entry from an extension (still upower's fault that it appears on my system)
16:07<tommie-lie>amzal: for gnome it is, I think
16:07<tommie-lie>amzal: don't know about kde or xfce
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16:09<amzal>tommie-lie: if "suspend" in menu ask system to suspend the machine using ram, so having 6 gb ram swap is not necesary?
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16:11<tommie-lie>amzal: obviously depends on what you are doing, there may be situations where you might want to have more than 6GB of memory. for me, those are rare, and ever since I have 4 GB of RAM (or more), I don't have a dedicated swap partition anymore. If I need more memory, I can add a swap *file* later and remove it afterwards
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16:12<tommie-lie>amzal: long story short: *I* wouldn't recommend a *normal user* with 6GBG of RAM a swap partition
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16:15<amzal>tommie-lie: ok ok. i get it. thanks :) usualy i never use more then 1 gb ram .But i have 2 last questions. how to suspend to disk? just curious...is there any command in terminal for know if when i suspend my system use ram or disk? i'm running debian/wheezy/kde right now.
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16:17<tommie-lie>"pm-hibernate" (or "systemctl hibernate" if you're using systemd as pid 0)
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16:17<tommie-lie>similarly, "pm-suspend" and "systemctl suspend" will use suspend-to-ram
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16:18<tommie-lie>"upower -d" will tell you what methods are supported on your system
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16:18<amzal>tommie-lie: ok
16:18<amzal>i check
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16:22<amzal>tommie-lie: thanks for the command 'upower -d'. its very usefull.
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16:22<amzal>so i can use pm-hibernate in my openbox session :)
16:23<tommie-lie>yes, you can
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16:25<blubberdiblub>tommie-lie, nice, it shows me the battery level of my trackball :)
16:25<tommie-lie>blubberdiblub: aw, I never got the battery reporting for my bluetooth mouse to work :-(
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16:26<amzal>tommie-lie: thanks for you help/opinions and suggestions :) they will help me when i reinstall Jessie and Wheezy in same machine.
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16:26<amzal>every day i learn something with you guys. thanks ;)
16:27<amzal>time to go cook something now :)
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16:28<tommie-lie>amzal: you're welcome (can't mean me by "you guys", though, been here only since this afternoon ;-))
16:29<amzal>tommie-lie: "guys" i mean all people in room bcuz i asked more like 1 hour ago :)
16:30<amzal>maybe you was't here ;)
16:30<tommie-lie>:-P
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17:30<Hai_Karate>Switched to Debian and had a super easy install.
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17:33<musca>Hai_Karate: keep the good mood rolling :)
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17:35<Hai_Karate>Put wifi firmware on a usb stick and just plugged it in and good to go
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17:39<Hai_Karate>After install it took 5 mins to get flashplugin and libdvdcss2 installed
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17:44<musca>Hai_Karate: good, now you can be targeted with flashcookies again and watch your commercials on youtube.
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17:45<Hai_Karate>I love commercials
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17:45<Hai_Karate>all 10 seconds worth
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17:47<amzal>Is Debian-Gnu-Hurd ready for home/personal use?
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17:56<amzal>i have an old Acer laptop and i installed there Jessy/Openbox and linux kernel runs well (a part intel-microcode, there is no non-free firmware, etc). anybody tryed Hurd ? Hurd will require non-free firmware too for run too? If yes, non-free firmware exist for Hurd?
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17:59<musca>!tell amzal about hurd
17:59<musca>especially about #debian-hurd
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18:00<amzal>musca: ok, thank :)
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19:00<nrap>I have a question. I have installed Debian on my laptop, but I am getting an error with GNOME3, because it gives me Fallback. I have installed firmware-linux-nonfree, restarted the system but when I go to system settings into details, the Graphics is still showing Experience: Fallback
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19:16<petn-randall>nrap: Which graphics card do you have? You might be missing drivers.
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19:21<nrap>lspci -v | grep VGA shows
19:21<nrap>01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS880M [Mobility Radeon HD 4200 Series] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
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19:22<petn-randall>nrap: Are you running wheezy?
19:23<nrap>yes
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19:25<petn-randall>nrap: Is xserver-xorg-video-ati installed on your machine?
19:26<petn-randall>nrap: You might also want to check the points here: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
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19:28<babilen>nrap: Make sure to install libgl1-mesa-dri in addition to the firmware you already have.
19:28<nrap>petn-randall: Thank you. I will go over the wiki and if I will still get a problem or solve I will let you know. thank you :)
19:28<babilen>dpkg: tell nrap -about radeon
19:29<nrap>babilen: thank you :)
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19:30<babilen>nrap: Did that do the trick?
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19:31<nrap>babilen: still checking. one sec
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19:32<nrap>I need a moment.... or two
19:32<babilen>sure
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19:34<petn-randall>nrap: Take your time, babilen and I never sleep. ;)
19:34<petn-randall>/o/
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20:34<nrap>petn-randall: libgl1-mesa-dri and xserver-xorg-video-ati are installed. Still no luck. On that link you showed me I can't find my card on that list
20:35<nrap>I am sorry for the waiting I had to put some little ones to sleep
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20:35<petn-randall>nrap: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for any errors. Can you paste the full log?
20:36<petn-randall>nrap: No problem, #debian fully supports forking processes ;)
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20:36<nrap>in here or on pm?
20:37<nrap>petn-randall: don't want to fill the entire screen here :)
20:37<petn-randall>nrap: Ah, sorry. Best to paste it to http://paste.debian.net
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20:38<nrap>petn-randall: nice feature :) will do one sec
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20:49<nrap>petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/70242 I tried to put everything but it cuts off the view before 30.419. How can I see what was before that in the terminal? or should I use "more" nad paste it in part ?
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20:49<petn-randall>!pastebinit
20:49<dpkg>pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
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20:50<petn-randall>^^ nrap
20:50<nrap>I am still learning Linux, sorry for noob questions
20:50<nrap>:)
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20:51<petn-randall>nrap: No problem, we all started out as "noobs". And we appreciate it if people are willing to learn, and don't expect to be spoon-fed :)
20:52<nrap>petn-randall: thank you :)
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20:57<petn-randall>nrap: Could be you're missing firmware. You can do 'less /var/log/kern.log' to open that file in a pager. Then type '/missing' to search for 'missing' in the file. It might mention missing firmware.
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20:58<nrap>petn-randall: Pattern not found
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21:01<petn-randall>nrap: Hmm. The other alternative is to install the fglrx-legacy driver. Anyways, I'm off to bed now (gotta work tomorrow), maybe someone else can take off from here.
21:01<nrap>petn-randall: thank you for your help and good night :)
21:02<nrap>petn-randall: I try to research more on that
21:03<petn-randall>nrap: You're welcome. Might be able to help you out more tomorrow, but then again everyone in this channel is quite helpful.
21:04<petn-randall>:)
21:04<nrap>:)
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21:37<junkmechanic>hi all...i plan to shift from ubuntu gnome to debian shortly. before i do this, i wanted to be aware of ay problems that i would continue to face with my wireless card....
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21:37<junkmechanic>i have a broadcom bcm4313 and for certain access points, my card refuses to stay connected...
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21:39<junkmechanic>the same network is perfectly accessible from other access points on the same netowrk, but my card fails to connnect through certain fixed points (for example the one in my lab :| )
21:39<junkmechanic>it is a known bug in ubuntu....
21:39<junkmechanic>i searched for the same kind of problem in debian
21:39<junkmechanic>but couldnt find any report as such
21:40<junkmechanic>oh and its specific to wpa2 enterprise
21:40<junkmechanic>has anyone else faced this problem?
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22:10<Descryhell>hey que pedo
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22:17<nrap>good night all!
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23:08<heroxbd>I am running debian wheezy as a lxc guest. The mounts and networks are taken care of by lxc itself.
23:08<heroxbd>how to disable initscripts as /etc/rc6.d/K05umountfs ?
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23:09<heroxbd>I tried "update-rc.d umountfs enable 6"
23:09<heroxbd>it refuses as update-rc.d: warning: enable action will have no effect on runlevel 6
23:09<heroxbd>update-rc.d: error: no runlevel symlinks to modify, aborting!
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23:10<sney>heroxbd, runlevel 6 is reboot
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23:12<heroxbd>sney: yeah. if I reboot the guest, /etc/init.d/umountfs cannot umount the filesystems, and emits errors.
23:12<heroxbd>similar ones are umountnfs.sh and umountrootfs and networking
23:13<heroxbd>I'd like those to be disabled in runlevel 0 and 6 in a LXC guest.
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23:14<sney>maybe what you're looking for is 'update-rc.d remove' ? since all those scripts do is unmount filesystems, having them gone from your init entirely shouldn't be an issue
23:15<heroxbd>sney: how about when initscripts get updated? will they come back to attack me?
23:15<sney>nope, dpkg doesn't reinstall stuff from /etc that you've deleted manually, and insserv doesn't do anything automatically except when told to by dpkg
23:15<heroxbd>great!
23:16<heroxbd>thanks sney. You are the world saver.
23:16<sney>np
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23:27<rryoumaa>i got an input/output error while doing rsync to hard drive (new seagate backup plus usb external 4tb with cryptsetup and ext4). http://sprunge.us/VjNJ is the log output. what does it mean? here is smartctl -a output: http://sprunge.us/gjiY
23:27<rryoumaa>actually i got a bunch of those errors
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23:27<rryoumaa>the smart long test never completes
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