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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-12-13

---Logopened Fri Dec 13 00:00:09 2013
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00:44<RainbowW>is there a way from the command line to figure out if my usb subsystem is even enabled on the motherboard?
00:45<jm_>as in BIOS?
00:46<RainbowW>yeah. i'm trying to plug in a usb3 drive, i'm not seeing anything show up in dmesg, i don't have a head on the machine, and i'd really like to not have to do a bunch of head-swapping to get it running if i can avoid it.
00:46<RainbowW>the other possibility is that i've got too many drives already on the box, and it's barfing, which leads to my next question: maximum number of drives without messing with stuff in /dev?
00:46<jm_>perhaps dmidecode will show something
00:47<jm_>how many do you have then?
00:47<RainbowW>11
00:47<RainbowW>sda-sdk
00:47<jm_>then you should be OK in that regard
00:48<RainbowW>alright
00:48<jm_>do any other USB devices work? tried a different port?
00:48<RainbowW>none others connected. this thing is *only* a raid server. the other drives are connected by sata or esata.
00:49<RainbowW>it is, frankly, a complete waste of a rather powerful machine. :)
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01:05<RainbowW>apparently, it works. just needed a kick from the console. yay.
01:06<RainbowW>i dunno yet if it's usb2 or usb3, but that's another problem for after mkfs.
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03:16<EmleyMoor>I'm having difficulty getting a libGL.so.1 install that Steam for Windows will accept so that I can use it through wine. I'm on an amd64 system with an nvidia graphics card - can anyone advise how I proceed successfully?
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03:19<valdyn>EmleyMoor: why dont you use the linux version of steam?
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03:22<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Because it doesn't permit the downloading of Windows games
03:22<EmleyMoor>Besides, problem now seems to be fixed
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03:24<EmleyMoor>May have spoken too soon... my problem changed - but that may only be temporary
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03:27<EmleyMoor>It's crashing with a page fault now (!)
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03:40<EmleyMoor>http://paste.debian.net/70638/ is the output from the page fault
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03:44<EmleyMoor>My only real option seems to be "run it on Windows" - and I suspect a lot of things will perform badly if I give my Windows VM more memory without actually fitting more first.
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05:11<Guest9152>hiii
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05:37<DeepBlue>the screen switches off by its self since i installed wheezy.what could b wrong?how to fix it?
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05:55<devil>DeepBlue: what does xset -q | grep DPMS say?
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06:45<stormy98>any one any good with bind0 / dns? i've setup a dns server internal network, i've created a internal.example.com zone file to host internal ip's server names, when i run dig @internal ip internal.example.com it works, but when I try to ping internal.example.com i get unknown host, the server is set with resolv.conf as the ip of the dns server
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06:46<jm_>is your resolver configured to use dns?
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06:49<stormy98>yer cause if i do dig @ip google.com it resolves
06:49<jm_>that doesn't prove anything, dig is not your resolver
06:49<jm_>test with getent instead
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06:53<stormy98>if i do getent hosts google.com or my internal hostname i get no reply
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06:53<stormy98>so i guess resolver isn't setup lol
06:53<jm_>so check your resolver config in nsswitch.conf
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06:59<stormy98>i've got no nswitch.conf ...
06:59<stormy98>google suggest it shoudl be in /etc/ ?
07:00<SynrG>typo
07:00<SynrG>/etc/nsswitch.conf
07:00<SynrG>you left out one s
07:00<stormy98>yer my bad, but nswitch.conf isn't ther eiether!
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07:01<jm_>again, it's nsswitch.conf
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07:02<stormy98>meh i'm useless haha! it's friday!
07:02<stormy98>so what am i looking for in the nsswitch.conf
07:03<jm_>put it on a pastebin
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07:03<stormy98>http://pastebin.com/D8grLbyi
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07:04<jm_>you have it set already: hosts: files dns
07:04<stormy98>ah ok
07:04<stormy98>so in theory it should work?
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07:05<stormy98>hmm could it be firewall blocking?
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07:05<jm_>possibly, you can check if getent is trying to contact your DNS server: strace getent hosts foo
07:06<stormy98>hmm
07:06<stormy98>strace wasn't installed so i done apt-get install strace and using the internal dns it couldn't look up ftp.debian.org
07:07<jm_>heh
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07:12<stormy98>?
07:12<stormy98>big if i did dig @ip ftp.debian.org it works
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07:22<vkrishn>hi
07:22<vkrishn>trying to understand the LSB init script headers
07:22<vkrishn>is there an option to move the headers to separate file, say eg. /etc/init.d/.lsb/apache2 ?
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07:29<DeepBlue>i had this error message'hdd temp error ,hddtemp was not started correctly. a possible but dirty solution is run chmod u+s /usr/sbin/hddtemp and restart it'
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07:32<jm_>have you tried to start it as user or what?
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07:33<arjun_>Hi
07:33<petn-randall>vkrishn: No. What would you need that for?
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07:34<stormy98>jm_: so what's next, if i run dig @ip it works, but if i edit it into the /etc/resolv.conf it doesn't work
07:34<arjun_>i have Lenovo t400 laptop with Redeon HD 300 series card , can some one help me with the drv installtion
07:34<vkrishn>petn-randall, just thought with that option may be easy to maintain/decouple the headers
07:34<arjun_>i have Lenovo t400 laptop with Redeon HD 3000 series card , can some one help me with the drv installtion
07:35<jm_>stormy98: like I said, try to strace getent to see what happens
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07:36<petn-randall>vkrishn: Every init script needs exactly one LSB header. Decoupling that would not make maintenance easier, neither would parsing it.
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07:37<vkrishn>there is also a possibility of user addition of if there is /etc/init.d/.user/apache2, then /etc/init.d/.lsb/apache2 would not be parsed
07:37<vkrishn>ok , i see
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07:38<stormy98>jm_: thats http://pastebin.com/MiSR2yPy - google.com
07:39<vkrishn>or, for some init parsers which introduces its own type of headers, eg. /etc/init.d/.newinit/apache2
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07:40<jm_>stormy98: connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(53), sin_addr=inet_addr("208.67.222.222")} - is this your DNS server IP?
07:40<jm_>stormy98: and I see you received a reply
07:41<jm_>2a00:1450:4009:805::1005 google...
07:41<stormy98>ah hang on
07:41<stormy98>thats my fault
07:41<stormy98>let me edit out the isp one
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07:42<stormy98>try this oen http://pastebin.com/04UQpevN
07:42<stormy98>thats using the dns server hosted on the same machine
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07:48<petn-randall>vkrishn: init script are config files and even conffiles. There's no need to do that.
07:48<petn-randall>vkrishn: Every change goes straight into the init script.
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07:48<vkrishn>ok
07:49<petn-randall>!kiss
07:49<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, kiss is Keep It Simple Stupid!!!
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07:52<jm_>stormy98: that doesn't include all of the reply, try comparing the outputs of strace -s 256 getent hosts .... with both DNS servers
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08:00<jm_>stormy98: it might be easier to do this by capturing network traffic with tcpdump and then looking at it in wireshark
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08:26<Bastien1>Hello
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08:30<Bastien1>I lost a drive in a soft raid1 array, and I cannot rebuild it because of some read errors on the working disk
08:30<Bastien1>Is there a way to force rebuild ?
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08:31<Bastien1>http://pastebin.com/4hNwfuNL
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08:44<zuce>hi all ,i need the best OS por netbook eeep ,comparasion performance no eviromet but i can see video ,it's perfect ..any idea
08:45<zuce>no more 200 mgb ram comsume is perfect
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08:46<zuce>any idea?pls
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08:47<planetmaker>zuce, well. Do you expect another answer than 'Debian' in this channel?
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08:47<zuce>ok debian is the base of all
08:48<zuce>i need any exclusive looks this ubuntu server
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08:48<zuce>200 mb ram no more
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08:49<blast007>zuce: if you want Ubuntu, then join their channel and ask them.
08:49<zuce>ubuntu performance very bad ,i am using crunchbang with lxde and i need any better
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08:54<blast007>zuce: as already mentioned, you're in #debian, so our suggestion would be to just run Debian.
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08:55<zuce>thanks
08:55<zuce>for you help me ..
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08:59<mpfusion_>Is is possible to unmount a stale NFS share? I tried to unmount with "-l" and "-f" but it's still mounted.
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09:19<so>quand je me met en mode console. jrecois des message d'erreur: "asking for cache failed" & "assuming drive cache write trouhg" et ca me redemande ensuit mon login et mdp, que j'entre pour ensuite me réafficher les messages etc etc
09:19<so>ou meme si je ne fais rien, les message apparaissent aussi
09:19<planetmaker>!fr
09:19<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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09:20<so>oui je sais, mais personne me repond... dsl
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09:29<planetmaker>so, do you think asking in French in an English support channel will trigger many to-the-point replies?
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09:36<bea>is there any way i can set the places bookmarks for all users? as in .local/share/user-places.xbel
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09:38<so>i saw some message in french, so i try..
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09:39<SynrG>so: try asking in english. the message in french was from the bot telling you where to get help in french.
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09:42<SynrG>so: also, if the messages keep appearing even if you do nothing, i guess they have nothing to do with logging in. if you are failing to login it is probably for some unrelated reason. are you trying to get help because you're having problems logging in? i can't tell, my french is poor.
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09:45<SynrG>bea: you could create /etc/skel/.local/share/user-places.xbel so that when new users are created they will initially have those bookmarks.
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09:45<SynrG>bea: subsequently, adding more bookmarks to /etc/skel will not affect existing users, only more new users.
09:45<SynrG>this may or may not be what you're after
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09:47<bea>SynrG: /etc/skel is always my last resort, for the reason you mentioned
09:48<bea>only other catch-all solution for this problem i can think of is to create an autostart script that fixes everything on the first login
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09:48<so>so i try to explain my problem in english
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09:49<SynrG>bea: i think even if there were a place to put such bookmarks it wouldn't be good because then users couldn't delete bookmarks they don't want.
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09:49<SynrG>bea: so i think the login script is probably the best solution for your case.
09:49<SynrG>bea: so long as it only runs once, on first login
09:50<SynrG>that still has the problem of "if the admin adds more bookmarks after the first login, the user won't get them
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09:50<so>when i start the terminal (with ctrl alt f7) i have 2 message apparing even :
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09:50<so>[13847.673400] sd 6:0:0:0 [sdb] assuming drive cache write through"
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09:51<so>and "asking for cache failed"
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09:52<SynrG>so: as i understand it, those are warnings only and should not cause problems. they happen on flash drives with no cache.
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09:53<SynrG>so: is there any other problem? or just those messages?
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09:54<so>no just message
09:54<so>but, i want to stop them
09:55<SynrG>using google i found some pages describing kernel parameters that may help. however, those were for different distributions and/or specific hardware so might or might not be actually helpful to you.
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09:56<blast007>probably not worth worrying about
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09:58<so>but he cut me when i start commant and the message appair
09:59<so>i can't continu to learn linux
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09:59<so>dammand*
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09:59<so>command*
09:59<petn-randall>so: You can teach your syslogd to filter them out, but this is actually useful information you want to get. Some time in the future there *might* be a bug that is triggered by missing cache, and you won't be able to debug it that way.
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10:00<SynrG>i see. so the problem isn't just that the messages happen once, but that they're happening constantly, making the console hard to use.
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10:01<so>exavt!
10:01<so>exact!
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10:02<so>i cant use the console
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10:02<SynrG>what is sdb? is that the device you are booted from, or an additional USB for data, perhaps?
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10:04<so>i dont have something in usb, just my mouse
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10:04<so>and i have portable computer
10:05<petn-randall>so: Can you paste the output of 'fdisk -l' to http://paste.debian.net?
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10:05<so>how i do that?
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10:06<SynrG>!nopaste
10:06<dpkg>nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste".
10:07<petn-randall>so: If you have a desktop environment, do it in a terminal, mark the output with the mouse, and middle-click in the text field.
10:07<petn-randall>so: If you have the console only, see above about nopaste.
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10:09<vkrishn>I am looking at LSB core section 20.8 ... Confirming.... set -e
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10:10<vkrishn>does this mean /etc/init.d/apache2 will not have set -e or
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10:10<vkrishn>/lib/lsb/init-functions in file
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10:10<vkrishn>coz I see set -e in /etc/init.d/apache2
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10:11<so>ok, also in first time i have to install libapp-nopaste-perl?
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10:12<petn-randall>so: Yes. You only have to install the first time.
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10:17<so>ok, installation successful
10:18<so>now i hate to use the "nopaste" commande?
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10:19<so>have to*
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10:20<blast007>so: example: fdisk -l | nopaste
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10:21<vkrishn>gtg off net, I pushed the issue on ML, thanks ...
10:21<OphidiaN>hi, i am running debian 7 as a server so i only have console, on top off that i am a linux newbie. I want to make a backup server so i mounted an external hard disk to my desktop where the debian is running. where can i find the usb data ?
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10:23<SynrG>OphidiaN: i'm slightly confused by your problem statement. do you have debian running on your desktop?
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10:24<SynrG>OphidiaN: or are you saying the external drive contains the debian server system?
10:24<SynrG>OphidiaN: or something else?
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10:25<SynrG>OphidiaN: maybe it is your use of "desktop" that confused. me. you mean desktop-class hardware installed as a server?
10:25<OphidiaN>SynrG: i got debian installed on my desktop and i want to use the usb external disk as my target for automated backups
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10:26<OphidiaN>idd, an old desktop turned into server
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10:26<OphidiaN>"old" -> p4 2.4ghz should do the job for a linux i guess
10:26<SynrG>yes
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10:27<so>i have to copy/paste "fdisk -l | nopaste" on my console? juste that? when i do that my console reply me "app::Nopaste::service::pastie: could not construct paste link http://paste.ubuntu.com"
10:28<petn-randall>so: You're running Ubuntu?
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10:29<SynrG>OphidiaN: will the external drive be always attached to this system?
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10:29<so>yes
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10:30<SynrG>so: this is a support channel for debian only. also, when i initially googled that error message i found some articles for your distribution. i suggest you find those articles and try to get whatever help you can from them.
10:30<SynrG>so: also, see #ubuntu @ irc.freenode.net
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10:31<SynrG>they can help you
10:31<OphidiaN>SynrG: that's the idea
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10:32<so>but i learnt ubuntu is the debian distribution?
10:32<OphidiaN>it's just because the internal hdd is too small to backup my NAS and i got the external usb disk on spare so ...
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10:33<SynrG>OphidiaN: ok. now, i had a similar setup for my own server. the problem with device names (e.g. /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc, etc.) is that depending on what order they are detected at boot, they might be assigned differently. so it is probably best to set up your /etc/fstab using the UUID of the device
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10:33<SynrG>OphidiaN: you can find that with ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
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10:34<SynrG>OphidiaN: then see the /etc/fstab man page. you can specify UUID=xxxx-xxx-xxx-xxx-xxxx as the first field instead of a device filepath
10:34<OphidiaN>SynrG: take it easy on the "wiztalk" i'm a newbie :) i started reading the basics on wiki.debian.org but still a long way to go.
10:35<OphidiaN>ok SynrG, got some reading to do on fstab :) bbl hehe
10:35<SynrG>!tell OphidiaN about fstab
10:35<SynrG>!tell OphidiaN about uuid
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10:35<OphidiaN>hm, cool bot :)
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10:42<OphidiaN>SynrG: could this be the Uuid ? 2C10814F10812146
10:42<OphidiaN>this is directed to SDB1
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10:45<blast007>OphidiaN: you found that in the output of 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/' ?
10:45<SynrG>OphidiaN: it depends. did you get that from ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ from the line that has -> ../../sdb1 on it?
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10:46<SynrG>OphidiaN: also, see ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/ which should help you identify if /dev/sdb is the right drive (because it contains information about the vendor/model# in it, which presumably you would recognized)
10:46<SynrG>recognize*
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10:52<OphidiaN>blast007, SynrG: from the list by-id i could see that the usb drive 'packard-bell' is indeed assigned to sdb1, and yes the number i pasted comes from the line with ../../sdb1.
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10:54<OphidiaN>so i assume that i have to add the following to fstab: /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usbbackup vfat rw ?
10:55<SynrG>well, as i said, that may not be 100% reliable, which is why you use the UUID
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10:55<OphidiaN>so change /dev/sdb1 with the uuid, the rest is correct ?
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10:56<SynrG>UUID=2C10814F10812146 /mnt/usbbackup vfat defaults
10:56<SynrG>and make sure you mkdir /mnt/usbbackup to create it first
10:56<SynrG>btw, why vfat?
10:56<SynrG>and what kind of backup are you writing there?
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10:57<OphidiaN>i knew my question was too simple :)
10:57<SynrG>OphidiaN: there are two potential problems with that. the first is that unix file attributes cannot be preserved there. the second is that there is a file size limit of 4G
10:58<SynrG>so for a filesystem only used by a linux system and not shared to others, you probably want to repartition that as an ext4 filesystem instead.
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10:59<SynrG>if the partition size is still going to be the same, you can just change its type
10:59<SynrG>and then mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb1
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10:59<OphidiaN>this is the situation: i got a couple of laptops, smartphones, tv etc in my network which all are connected to my NAS. Now i just to make an automated backup (i was thinking of rsync) of the complete NAS to my usb drive. So this will be software/movies/photos/etc...
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11:00<petn-randall>The other problem is that vfat doesn't have a journal, which will make it easy to corrupt your filesystem.
11:00<petn-randall>That's *especially* dangerous when it's on a medium that you hotplug.
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11:01<OphidiaN>petn-randall: "hotplug" my server is not located in a place where everybody comes in an out so normally no one will ever unplug it
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11:02<SynrG>consider rdiff-backup, by the way. it will allow you to efficiently keep a cycle of backups rather than doing it all in one shot with rsync
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11:02<SynrG>OphidiaN: even so, there is still risk
11:02<OphidiaN>SynrG, it's not really a backup copy, i was thinking of mirroring the NAS
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11:03<SynrG>the beauty of rdiff-backup is you could treat it like that, as a 'hot spare', but also one that has a history
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11:04<SynrG>but yeah, probably best not to conflate the two goals
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11:04<SynrG>you ought to have backups which can be rolled back a bit in time
11:05<SynrG>*and* a hot spare is a nice thing to have
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11:05<OphidiaN>ok, what about changing to ext4 ? is there a !tell OphidiaN about filessystems ? :)
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11:06<pengunix>hi
11:06<pengunix_>hi
11:06<OphidiaN>yes i agree on the backup part, but then you need a pretty big disk to keep the history of a few backups + the mirror
11:06<SynrG>well, that's the thing. rdiff-backup, as i said, is pretty efficient
11:06<petn-randall>OphidiaN: Not really. rdiff-backup makes incremental backups.
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11:07<petn-randall>OphidiaN: There's no point of having a current backup if you notice that the mistake you made is a week back.
11:07<SynrG>it gives you the history without a lot of overhead
11:07<OphidiaN>so rdiff-backup makes 1 big identical copy and only backups the changes made ?
11:07<pengunix_>So I want to know the following now: Setting a root password using debconf(-set-selections) alone is not sufficient. Running user-setup command is also not sufficient because it expects files already in place. So what part of Debian (installer) adds those necessary files? How is this part called? Can I run it even without the Debian installer (standalone)?
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11:08<SynrG>OphidiaN: re ext4. have you used any tool in linux to manage partitions before? it can be done with a number of different tools. i typically use fdisk ...
11:08<pengunix_>So I want to know the following now: Setting a root password using debconf(-set-selections) alone is not sufficient. Running user-setup command is also not sufficient because it expects files already in place. So what part of Debian (installer) adds those necessary files? How is this part called? Can I run it even without the Debian installer (standalone)?
11:09<SynrG>OphidiaN: gparted might be easier,
11:09<OphidiaN>SynrG: i used fdisk on dos before :)
11:09<SynrG>not the same thing at all :)
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11:10<SynrG>OphidiaN: i consider it to be a valuable skill, still, to be able to manage fdisk, but gparted should be fairly self-explanatory
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11:11<petn-randall>OphidiaN: Exactly. It's worth reading the documentation of rdiff-backup before deploying it. And don't use vfat on your backup partition for said reasons.
11:11<OphidiaN>SynrG: doesn't have to be easy, i'm prepared to learn the hard way :) i guess i'll start reading on filessystems/fdisk and then get back to the fstab configuration to get the disk mounted :)
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11:12<SynrG>OphidiaN: er, or parted, since you said you have no desktop, just a server
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11:13<SynrG>OphidiaN: let's use parted. i think it's the easier tool for a newbie, and pretty widely available.
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11:15<SynrG>OphidiaN: if you're not resizing the partition, you can first start it on the drive: parted /dev/sdb
11:15<SynrG>OphidiaN: then change the filesystem type and make the filesystem both at once:
11:15<SynrG>OphidiaN: parted> mkfs 1 ext4
11:16<SynrG>(i.e. do that from the parted prompt, not the shell prompt)
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11:17<SynrG>so: no, ubuntu is not debian. it is only based on debian. not the same thing at all.
11:17<SynrG>!ubuntuirc so
11:17<dpkg>so: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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11:18<SynrG>OphidiaN: parted has a 'help' command that can be used to explore more
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11:37<so>thank u
11:37<so>i did that, and poeple reply me on ubuntu channel
11:37<so>thanks
11:38<so>what the command for use xhat on console?
11:38<so>xchat
11:38<petn-randall>so: 'xchat'?
11:38<so>yes
11:39<so>well, just talk on irc with console
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11:39<so>i said xchat lik irc
11:39<petn-randall>so: If you're running Ubuntu, you could also ask that on #ubuntu ...
11:40<planetmaker>xchat is not a CLI application
11:41<melmothX>so: irssi
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11:41<planetmaker><3 xchat tho ;)
11:42<so>thanks
11:42<so>tchuss all
11:42<SynrG>so: later. and good luck :)
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11:43<so>;) same
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11:45<OphidiaN>SynrG: No Implementation: Support for creating ext4 file systems is not implemented yet.
11:45<OphidiaN>:/
11:46<petn-randall>OphidiaN: 'mkfs.ext4 /dev/<yourpartition>'
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11:53<SynrG>petn-randall: not within parted
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11:54<SynrG>OphidiaN: but you should be able to use parted to change the partition type, then exit and use the command petn-randall indicated.
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11:55<SynrG>OphidiaN: oops, i misread the help. it can do ext2 only
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11:56<SynrG>OphidiaN: mkpart is fine with ext4, however.
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11:57<SynrG>mkpart primary ext4 1 100%, for example
11:57<SynrG>(to use the whole drive as ext4)
11:57<SynrG>i guess i was wrong. it doesn't allow you to *just* change the type
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11:59<ahmed>guys, how do I mount an mtp enabled device? (an android device in my case)
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12:03<ahmed>Guys, the package mtpfs is only in squeeze and sid
12:03<ahmed>I'm running wheezy
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12:04<blast007>ahmed: perhaps the mtp-tools package?
12:04<blast007>ahmed: seems to have commands for sending and receiving files, among other things
12:05<ahmed>it says mtp tools is the latest version, but pluging my device in does nothing
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12:05<ahmed>how do I mount my device?
12:05<dondelelcaro>ahmed: that won't mount it, but you can use mtp-tools to transfer files to and from the device
12:05<dondelelcaro>ahmed: unfortunately, mtpfs is really buggy, so even if you backported it, it probably won't work
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12:05*dondelelcaro personally hasn't had a chance to track down some of its problems
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12:06<ahmed>is there not a way to browse through the files through the file manager?
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12:06<ahmed>my nokia phone used to do that I remember
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12:06<ahmed>once plugged it behaved like a thumb drive
12:07<blast007>ahmed: find some way to disable the MTP mode of your device
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12:08<dondelelcaro>ahmed: it's usb mass storage, but some devices are no longer using usbms
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12:08<ahmed>it has mtp and ptp
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12:09<dondelelcaro>mtp and ptp are different parts of mtp
12:09<ahmed>ptp works but only mounts my camera's directory within the android device's file system
12:09<ahmed>ptp works, but it only works for the camera directory
12:09<blast007>ahmed: another option would be to set up a simple web server on your PC and just download additional songs using the android web browser
12:10<ahmed>over the internet or locally?
12:10<blast007>locally
12:10<ahmed>I'll be connecting to my laptop through wifi?
12:11<ahmed>this is very intimidating for me as a noob
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12:11<ahmed>I have no idea how to do any of this
12:12<petn-randall>blast007: A bit overkill IMO.
12:12<ahmed>I installed gmtp but it crashes right away
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12:13<ahmed>or goes irresponsible
12:13<petn-randall>ahmed: Which release do you have?
12:13<ahmed>wheezy
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12:14<ahmed>7.2
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12:17<ahmed>mtp detect gives me this result
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12:17<ahmed>http://pastebin.com/a5fE2kfh
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12:28<combine>apg get
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12:29<combine>halo selamat malam
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12:33<petn-randall>combine: English is the preferred language in this channel. There are language specific debian channels, too.
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12:57<slicky>(firefox:6912): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libxfce.so: fel ELF-klass: ELFCLASS64
12:57<slicky>/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libxfce.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, BuildID[sha1]=0x8a559174bed454fec5582d5de496e1efdc1d7b42, stripped
12:58<slicky>I need the 32bit version
12:58<slicky>To be able to run firefox properly
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13:01<slicky>is that corret?
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13:24<alex__>hello
13:24<alex__>i have a question
13:24<alex__>is anywone here
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13:24<alex__>?
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13:25<devil>alex__: nope.
13:25<Maulkin>!ask
13:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:27<alex__>yes of course
13:27<alex__>i am new to ubuntu
13:27-!-Konrad127123 [~konrad@netbook.uv.esol.dur.ac.uk] has joined #debian
13:27<alex__>so i installed it
13:27<Maulkin>alex__: You need to talk to Ubuntu then
13:27<Maulkin>!ubuntu-irc
13:27<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
13:28<alex__>and I have all the applications in the left side and the brower is not occuping the hall screen
13:28<alex__>so my visibility is restricted
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13:30<snoosnoosnoo>Is there a guest account feature in Debian Wheezy? (Such that everything resets after logout)
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13:47<gianni>ciao
13:47<gianni>!list
13:47<dpkg>gianni: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più.
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14:03<jthomas>I've set up Deb7 LDAP client machine like I have done for Deb5 in the past, but my 'compat' options in nsswitch.conf and /etc/passwd +user:::::: doesn't seem to be obeyed; anyone on LDAP can log in rather than what's specified in /etc/passwd. What's different?
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14:19<valdyn>jthomas: what does pam-auth-update say about this?
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14:21<nocturnal>I had usb devices working in virtualbox before. then they just stopped working. I've tried both the debian packages 4.1 and the oracle package for wheezy 4.3. when I plug my gemalto smartcard reader in it blinks a few times while dmesg shows it's being polled and then stops and vbox never finds it.
14:21<jthomas>pam-auth-update: Local modifications to /etc/pam.d/common-*, not updating.
14:21<nocturnal>anyone had this issue?
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14:23<nocturnal>http://sprunge.us/ghPT
14:23<valdyn>jthomas: now how are we supposed to know what youre trying to do + what you have modified?
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14:23<valdyn>jthomas: isnt +user::: some yp/nis thing?
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14:24<jthomas>valdyn i wish i knew anything about how LDAP works, but it's like 50 config steps and trying to troubleshoot it sucks. Yeah the +user is a 'compat' option but it's not being honored
14:25<valdyn>jthomas: you are not even trying to use nis i think, so it does not need to be there
14:25<jthomas>what 'uit' ?
14:25<jthomas>'it'
14:25<valdyn>!nis
14:25<dpkg>The Network Information System (NIS, originally Yellow Pages) can be used to distribute system configuration data (e.g. user and host names) across networks; commonly used to maintain staff directories and files like /etc/group. Many sysadmins hate it because it is insecure. See also <LDAP>.
14:26<jthomas>i don't understand what you're saying
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14:26<valdyn>jthomas: +user::::: is for using nis aka yp, its a service you are not even trying to use
14:26<jthomas>on Deb5 servers the +user or +@group works. On my Deb7 with the same setup steps, that + doesn't work
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14:28<jthomas>so how would i whitelist users if this isn't supposed to be working?
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14:31<valdyn>jthomas: ok, this is not some feature i have used myself. The manpage sais it works with nis, but you are saying that it used to work with ldap
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14:32<jthomas>yes, the lines are like
14:32<jthomas>passwd: compat ldap
14:32<jthomas>passwd_compat: ldap
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14:32<jthomas>it should be using LDAP as the backend, from my understanding.
14:32<jthomas>and, while that does work, the + is no longer working
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14:33<valdyn>jthomas: are you using pam-ldap on one box and pam-ldapd on the other?
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14:34<jthomas>i was using pam-ldap on both; I just exchanged the newer for pam-ldapd to try that, but no different
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14:35<jthomas>in my results
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14:44<jthomas>anything i put into this gets ignored: /etc/security/access.conf
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14:57<valdyn>jthomas: http://www.redhat.com/archives/redhat-list/1999-April/msg02584.html
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14:59<valdyn>jthomas: and for the first thing with +/-user i can only confirm that it doesnt work - and I dont have any machine older than wheezy to play with
15:01<jthomas>:) ok thanks
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15:14<defyus>Hello
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15:17<gigus>ciao a tutti
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15:17<linuxator>!it
15:17<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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15:26<undead>hello guys! please help me with bluetooth on my nerbook.
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15:27<undead>i can't enable it, but in sudo rfkill list all ok
15:27<undead>I break my mind with this problem...
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15:27<undead>broke*
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15:28<Guest9214>hi
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15:37<jthomas>valdyn in the file /etc/pam.d/login it mentions to uncomment the line to include that access.conf file but it doesn't actually seem to do anything
15:37<jthomas>it's been a long day of this
15:37<jthomas>the flexibility of pam and ldap is it's worst feature.
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15:38<jthomas>\\its
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15:41<valdyn>jthomas: it works fine for me
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15:42<valdyn>jthomas: you need to test this on a "real" login, not with just su -
15:42<jthomas>yep, works fine for me on other servers, but every time we get a new one to add it's a huge hassle. RHEL4, Deb5, RHEL5, Deb6, Deb7, RHEL6, Ubuntu 12.04... all act differently.
15:42<jthomas>i am using a real login, thanks for checking tho
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15:43<valdyn> pam_access(login:account): access denied for user `xy' from `pts/0'
15:43<valdyn>jthomas: the log file entry
15:43<jthomas>+ : root : ALL
15:43<jthomas>- : @staff : ALL
15:43<jthomas>i can still get in with my user
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15:44<valdyn>jthomas: whats with the @ sign, is that supposed to work?
15:44<jthomas>that's for a net group
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15:44<valdyn>yea i see
15:45<jthomas>NIS tho, which you said I'm not using? so i'm back to being unable to whitelist/blacklist.
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15:48<valdyn>jthomas: i dont know the semantics of netgroup, so i cant say if youre even using netgroups. But since you are using ldap you are not using nis.
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15:50<jthomas>my boss set this up and handed me this black box of LDAP to administer. i have no idea what i'm using, but other servers use netgroups with LDAP.
15:50<jthomas>that's all I know.
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15:50<jthomas>thanks for the help,.
15:50<valdyn>$ LC_ALL=C getent netgroup
15:50<valdyn>Enumeration not supported on netgroup
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15:51<valdyn>( that is however sssd, not ldap, not nis)
15:51<jthomas>not sure what sssd means
15:51<valdyn>jthomas: uh, thats basically a pam plugin like pam_ldap, so pam_sssd
15:52<jthomas>i'm done with this for the day; our new cisco fans are giving me a headache and i've got enough going on :) thanks for all the help valdyn
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15:52<valdyn>to bad i couldnt help much, welcome
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15:52<jthomas>you helped a lot i think
15:53<jthomas>i don't really understand most of what i am doing and everything i read assumes ldap is obvious, and it's far from that
15:54<jthomas>maybe you can answer this, or not: why do i need to change the pam files? why don't they come ready to use?
15:55<jthomas>for example, my notes from when i first got this handed to me say to edit /etc/pam.d/common-auth and remove everything, and add "auth sufficient pam_ldap.so" and "auth required pam_unix.so nullok_secure try_first_pass"
15:55<jthomas>why wouldn't these files be usable out of the box?
15:56<valdyn>jthomas: in debian and ubuntu you should have used pam-auth-update instead I think
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15:56<valdyn>jthomas: which simply lets you set checkboxes for which auth mechanisms to enable
15:56<jthomas>ok, great! how would i know about that tool? what's a good tutorial on this?
15:57<valdyn>hmm, i had https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LDAPClientAuthentication
15:57<valdyn>but I dont use ubuntu, so i had to find other way where this howto assumes few more ubuntu-only tools
15:57<jthomas>yeah i don't ever trust ubuntu docs
16:00<valdyn>generally any howto or tutorial telling you to directly edit any config file usually omits some really useful debian tool to do this in a better way. I assume this is the case for many distros
16:00<valdyn>but generally its also hard to find those tools
16:01<jthomas>i generally *dont* want these tools tho, they do things that i have no idea how to change or fix.
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16:04<valdyn>thats alright, its a non-trivial problem
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16:14<jthomas>i don't understand
16:14<jthomas>ldap is far from trivial, agreed
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16:16<valdyn>jthomas: non-trivial is having 10 distros, each with their own policy (what installing packages does and does not) and their own slightly different set of tools
16:16<jthomas>ah yes
16:17<valdyn>jthomas: for example, the advice you got broke what some packages do upon installation
16:17<valdyn>jthomas: that is they use pam-auth-update to configure themselves
16:17<jthomas>yeah i'd really like to know this far far better than i do
16:18<valdyn>jthomas: but its entirely possible that that "breakage" is not only acceptable for irrelevant to your use case.
16:18<jthomas>sure
16:19<jthomas>i just want to know what does what and what uses which files etc, it's a spagetti mess in my head
16:19<valdyn>jthomas: ldap is just a database, it actually very simple
16:20<valdyn>(but deplying it first time is anything but simple because it appears so opaque)
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16:23<jthomas>that 'very simple' line is what my boss keeps telling me. i very much disagree :)
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16:55<acald3ron>how can i know were an app is install ?
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16:55<jthomas>run this: which app
16:55<jthomas>which ls
16:56<jthomas>which kopete
16:56<jthomas>which bash
16:56<acald3ron>ok
16:57<acald3ron>thanks
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16:58<jthomas>yessir
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17:17<lurch>hi everyone
17:17<jthomas>oh hi there
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17:27<SilverSlimer>well, it looks like today's nvidia driver update in debian testing fixed my wake from sleep issue
17:27<SilverSlimer>319.72 had graphical glitches on wake, 319.76 is perfect so far
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17:50<craig_>Does anyone know what happened to the help in the #ubuntu channel?
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17:53<craig_>or maybe some one here can help I installed ubuntu 12.04 lts 64 and for some reason the skype and other icons are not showing up in the system tray. Thank you ahead for any help.
17:53<devil>craig_: what is wrong with it?
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17:53<devil>craig_: we can't help you
17:53<craig_>The icon will not show up at all in the system tray.
17:53<craig_>Ok well thank you for the responce any ways
17:54<devil>what is wrong with #ubuntu
17:54<devil>?
17:54<craig_>no one is there
17:54<devil>craig_: YOU MUSR BE IN THE WRONG CHANNEL
17:54<devil>ups
17:54<craig_>I am in that room as well and no one is there LOL
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17:55<bernat>craig_: it's in freenode
17:55<amphi>craig_: on the right network? ;)
17:55<craig_>#ubuntu is where I am
17:55<devil>vćthere is 1760 people there
17:55<devil>you need to be on freenode
17:55<devil>no
17:55<devil>not on oftc
17:55<devil>sorry, cat on the desk …
17:55<craig_>Oh ok maybe I need to learn how to use IRC still fun=mbling my way around LOL
17:56<devil>!ubuntuirc
17:56<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
17:56<devil>craig_: there ^
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17:56<craig_>ty fir the help
17:56<craig_>for
17:56<devil>np :)
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19:15<rhsaumt>Hi. Can someone confirm that this is not an issue in debian7? http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/we-cannot-trust-intel-and-vias-chip-based-crypto-freebsd-developers-say/
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19:18<planetmaker>rhsaumt, afaik never has been with linux
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19:18<rhsaumt>I have read some news about people petitioning the kernel development team to stop the use of hardware RNG
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19:19<planetmaker>they use it. But not as the only entropy source
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19:34<slicky_>how do i know witch packages i dont need?
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19:40<devil>slicky_: open them, use them...
19:40<wallzero>Greetings. Should I use Samba 4 for a NAS box or stick with the regular samba package?
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19:45<sney>wallzero: just stick with regular samba unless there's a feature in 4 that you need
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19:51<wallzero>sney: Thanks. I haven't looked too deeply into Samba4 but I just need CIFS shares. It appears most of the new features are for Active Directory.
19:52<sney>yeah that's not shocking
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19:56<devil>yeah, microsofts new cloud os network implements samba 4 for that reason
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20:20<rhsaumt>Looks like a major victory for debian - steamOS is based on wheezy
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20:22<heckman>rhsaumt: not entirely surprised there. :p
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20:27<rhsaumt>heckman: It's a massive surprise for me. I expected ubuntu - they have already said that they only support ubuntu for steam.
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20:31<sney>the dev repo shows they were building on ubuntu until mid-2013 when they switched to debian
20:32<sney>maybe they wanted fewer components where the only upstream is canonical
20:32<rhsaumt>sney: I am more inclined to think they wanted to have to run updates more rarely = use debian because it updates almost never (for the packages included)
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20:34<sney>possibly
20:34<sney>though ubuntu lts would also suit that purpose
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20:41<rhsaumt>sney: afaik ubuntu lts lacks the support that would be appropriate for an lts release. Ubuntu developers are simply too focused on the future releases.
20:42*sney shrug
20:42<sney>it's gaining some popularity in production.
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20:42<rhsaumt>now that is a scary thought
20:42<sney>I'm not an ubuntu user so I haven't had first-hand experience with it, but people I trust say it's good at that
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20:58<jimpop>ubuntu lts updates almost as freguently as non-lts.
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20:59<jimpop>the only advantage of lts is that your GUI doesn't change every 6 mos. ;-)
20:59<zykotick9>ubuntu is no longer stable (in the debian sense of the word), several packages get version upgrades now... just sayin' </OT>
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23:28<OWNSyouAll>Hey i'm trying to install the SteamOS and is there a way to manually partition the disks?
23:29<james41382>My touchpad recently started freezing during login under my main account, but under another account it's fine. How would I go about trouble shooting this?
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23:33<chealer>OWNSyouAll: this channel's topic is Debian.
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23:55<zykotick9>chealer: fyi, some smart person created a <steamos> factoid - may come in handy ;)
23:56<doubledutch>!steamos
23:56<dpkg>SteamOS is an operating system released by Valve as a gaming platform, based on Debian 7 "Wheezy". It is not supported in #debian, support is available at http://support.steampowered.com/ . See <based on debian>.
23:56<doubledutch>!offtopic
23:56<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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