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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-12-14

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00:56<emtecrw>vlc help
00:57<emtecrw>need help with vlc audio crackling sound on wheezy amd64
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00:59<kaddy>woop woop woop, SteamOS is based on Debian Wheezy
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01:13<gry>kaddy: please pass them my congratulations on obtaining the load of supporting their userbase
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02:49<shawn1963>Silly question but is Pinguy based on Debian or Ubuntu or are they one in the same?
02:49<dpkg>PinguyOS is a GNU/Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian. #pinguyos on See also <based on debian>.
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02:50<shawn1963>nobody home at #pinguy and ubuntu says to go there. grrrrrr
02:50<specter>hey guys
02:50<shawn1963>isn't the path the same in all versions of Linux?
02:50<shawn1963>or at least common enough?
02:51<nevyn>sigh where is that factoid
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02:52<specter>I am running as root (only user on my system) can a run a program as non-root without creating a new non-root account?
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02:52<dpkg>It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX
02:52<SamB>specter: how did you install a Debian system without a non-root account?
02:53<nevyn>that too?
02:53<specter>its a custom build form top-hat-sec
02:54<specter>that my problem I want to run znc bouncer for irc security but not with root permissions
02:54<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
02:54<nevyn>SamB: THAT's the one...
02:54<nevyn>must make a mental note of it.
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02:54<specter>its based on debian wheezy 7.1 i think
02:54<nevyn>specter: please. stop
02:55<SamB>!give nevyn dpkg
02:55*dpkg gives nevyn dpkg
02:55*apathy_yuyu gives nevyn a glass
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02:55<specter>sorry if I offended someone
02:56*SamB meant to send the text for the !dpkg trigger to nevyn but seems to have misremembered the syntax; probably that is the syntax in some other channel ...
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02:57<nevyn>so what would be more useful is a way to search the contents of dpkg's database
02:57<dpkg>somebody said dpkg was the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
02:58<dpkg>Please visit to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>.
02:58<dpkg>(1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see
02:58<SamB>nevyn: see that weikipage
02:59<SamB>oookay, what would we want to MSG freenode staff here ;-P
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03:00<nevyn>because bothering people with the power to k-line you is always a winning strategy for annoying people?
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03:00<SamB>... but this isn't freenode
03:01<nevyn>ah.. but it used to be.
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03:02<nevyn>and the bot is still there...
03:02<SamB>yeah, that's why I said ;-P instead of ???
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03:02*SamB heard that it can somehow tailor response according to channel?
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04:45<scl>is there any chance to see the latest jenkins 1.532.1 long term release in debian testing?
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04:48<bremner>scl: try #debian-next for testing support.
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04:48<scl>bremner: thank you!
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05:25<slicky_>iv downloaded and unpacked firefox 25.. and installed the flashplugin-nonfree.. but firefox does not find it..
05:27<valdyn>slicky_: why do you think it does not find it?
05:27<slicky_>becuse the flashplugin-nonfree are not linked to the firefox plugin folder..
05:27<valdyn>slicky_: what do you mean by "downloaded and unpacked" ? Are you not using the debian package for iceweasel? Why not?
05:28<slicky_>im using the latest from firefox website
05:28<valdyn>slicky_: use the debian package
05:28<dpkg>The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel (also Icedove and Iceape) are at for squeeze and wheezy or in <experimental> for jessie and sid.
05:29<slicky_>Yes, but i won't learn anything from doing that..
05:29<Ganneff>we cant help you if you use external stuff
05:29<valdyn>slicky_: you need help with creating a link?
05:29<valdyn>slicky_: you already diagnosed the error, so go ahead create the link
05:29<slicky_>no, i cant seam to find the folder to link to
05:29<dpkg>folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes.
05:30<valdyn>slicky_: its in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
05:31<slicky_>but i have not integrated ff in the system, just unpacked it
05:31<valdyn>slicky_: so?
05:32<valdyn>slicky_: theres not much integrating that makes sense - what do you think you are missing?
05:32<slicky_>hm, so it created that map by it's own
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05:36<slicky_>made the symlink but ff still won't recignize the plugin
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05:36<valdyn>slicky_: how do you know it does not recognise the plugin?
05:37<slicky_>becuse it does not show up in ff's plugin manager
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05:38<valdyn>!tell slicky_ -about smart questions
05:38<valdyn>slicky_: we cant guess what you did, therefore we cant know if or what you did
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07:26<ivanoov_>hi :)
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08:17<DeepBlue>i ran 'fdisk -l /dev/sdc' to get 'bash: fdisk: command not found' ,what went wrong?
08:18<towo`>DeepBlue, maybe you are not root?
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10:13<mpr_>hi there
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10:13<mpr_>I'm having some trouble
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10:14<mpr_>I seem to have (unintentionally) uninstalled my kernel(s)
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10:14<mpr_>can anyone lend me a hand?
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10:15<Pepper>mpr_ : what's the problem?
10:15<mpr_>Pepper, some time ago (6 month-ish) apt asked to autoremove the kernel
10:15<mpr_>Pepper, and I (stupidly) said yes
10:16<Pepper>and now?
10:16<mpr_>Pepper, so I've been stuck with a doorstop of a box for the past time
10:16<mpr_>now GRUB just sits there saying I have a "Minimal BASH-like line editing.... blah"
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10:17<Pepper>mpr_: you got install-disks at hand?
10:17<mpr_>I should check, but yeah, I think I have some ubuntu disks, will that do? or should I download a Debian one?
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10:18<Pepper>you can try the ubuntu one. try getting a shell, remounting root to your disk, install kernel, done.
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10:19<mpr_>Pepper, OK... I don't think I know how to install a kernel just like that
10:19<Pepper>what system? pc 64bit?
10:19<mpr_>Pepper, I previously had a RAID1+LVM disk setup, won't that be a problem?
10:19<mpr_>Pepper, PC 64, yeah
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10:20<Pepper>maybe. try it out.
10:20<Pepper>if your lvm / raid is autodetected everything should be fine.
10:20<mpr_>Pepper, will "mount" just work?
10:20<mpr_>Pepper, great! :)
10:21<Pepper>moutn -o remount,rw /dev/<yourdevice> /
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10:21<mpr_>Pepper, :P
10:22<mpr_>Pepper, great, now, how do i install just the kernel? will installing an Ubuntu kernel be a problem?
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10:22<Pepper>if it is not autodetected you should come back an ask for some lvm/mdadm magic.
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10:22<Pepper>when you remounted your root and boot dir simply call: aptitude install linux-image-amd64
10:23<cae>Pepper: you'd have to chroot before, but you're right
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10:23<Pepper>cae: if you remount root?
10:23<mpr_>cae, what's that chroot thing? :S
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10:25<cae>chroot means about "my / is now /mnt, please write/read/whatever only inside that system"
10:25<mpr_>is there nothing one can do from the GRUB console?
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10:26<mpr_>cae, ok, I see, how should I use it in my situation?
10:26<cae>mpr_: if your kernel's gone, no
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10:26<Pepper>mpr_: you can do a lot form grub, but not booting linux when no linux is there...
10:26<cae>so you have a live system running and you see the file systems of the original system?
10:26<mpr_>cae, Pepper, lol
10:26<mpr_>cae, not yet, 10''
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10:27<cae>mpr_: but the live system is running?
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10:28<mpr_>cae, booting a live Ubuntu 12.04 now (it's the only thing I had handy)
10:28<cae>Pepper: I've thought about that mount /dev/othersys / thing... I haven't tried it and I think it'll break... but it would be more simple than chroot
10:29<Pepper>cae: yeah, grub requires modules to be load.... it'll break.
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10:29<mpr_>cae, great, my live CD is toasted, will download a new one and come back :(
10:29<cae>mpr_: doesn't matter, almost any live CD with a default "fat" kernel should do... all we need is support for md (RAID), lvm and probably ext4
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10:30<cae>mpr_: well ;-)
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10:32<Pepper>more interesting: what made the kernel to be uninstalled...
10:33<mpr_>Pepper, I sincerely don't remember, some dist-upgrade gone wrong I guess
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10:34<Pepper>mpr_ you migrated between releases?
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10:34<mpr_>Pepper, that had already happened, I was happily running Jessie
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10:35<Pepper>might be a problem at reinstall, but will tell what the problem is...
10:35<mpr_>Pepper, I didn't get that...
10:36<mpr_>great, my dvd seems to be busted
10:36<cae>mpr_: do you have an empty USB stick flying around?
10:36<mpr_>cae, yeah I think so
10:36<cae>you can simply 'dd of=/dev/usb-stick if=image.iso' and boot it
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10:37<mpr_>will try to
10:37<cae>"Disclaimer: Don't overwrite the wrong device!" ;-)
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10:37<mpr_>cae, LOL
10:38<mpr_>I don't have an image quite ready yet, still downloading it (my connection is pretty lame)
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10:38<mpr_>will come back when the dd thing is done ;)
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10:45<Pepper>cae: Guess images are in the making... updates on #debian-cd
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10:46<cae>Pepper: ah, thanks. (For the confused, I just asked in #debian-devel about the progress of 7.3.0 jigdo files.)
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12:00<mpr_>cae, Pepper, I successfully copied a debian Jessie image to my usb pen drive
12:01<mpr_>cae, Pepper, going to try booting a live system now :)
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12:04<mpr_>cae, crap, can't boot, maybe I miscopied the image :S
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12:08<blisteredradish>My "testing" machine is sharing ReadyNas to my tv. What location is it sharing and what software is doing this?
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12:08<jimpop>does "dpkg --list nginx*" work for anyone else after you've applied today's updates?
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12:11<cae>mpr_: how did you copy it?
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12:13<blisteredradish>jimpop, appling update now I'll check...
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12:16<mpr_>cae, sudo dd of=/dev/sdb1 if=Downloads/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
12:16<mpr_>cae, after running gparted I can only see 10Mb of my 32Gb pendrive... that kinda freaks me out :S
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12:19<cae>you need to write it to the device, not a partition, e.g. /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1 (not that it'll destroy the partition table, so better backup that stick)
12:19<cae>mpr_: ^
12:19<mpr_>cae, when I try to use /dev/sdb I only get 10Mb copied out of a ~200Mb image :S
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12:20<cae>mpr_: dd throws some error messages?
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12:20<mpr_>cae, dd: writing to ‘/dev/sdb’: No space left on device
12:20<mpr_>cae, just that
12:21<cae>mpr_: sure that you're writen to the right device?
12:21<valdyn>mpr_: so sdb really is only 10MB in size or you did notreally use sdb
12:21<mpr_>yup, /dev/sdb is my pendrive alright
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12:21<mpr_>valdyn, I can see 32Gb in the "Disks" thingie in Gnome
12:22<cae>mpr_: check dmesg, probably the USB bus has problems... if there's a hub in between, try removing it
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12:23<mpr_>cae, dmesg | grep usb shows nothing weird, just the insert / eject events
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12:23<mpfusion__>mpr_: check ls -l /dev/sdb. In particular, if the first column shows a "b" for block device and if the major and minor numbers are visible or if it shows "10MiB"
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12:23<mpr_>mpfusion__, ls -l /dev/sdb shows: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10485760 Dec 14 14:20 /dev/sdb
12:24<cae>mpfusion__: good idea, probably (s)he's writing to /dev itself
12:24<mpr_>cae, he btw ;)
12:24<mpfusion__>Indeed, you are not using the block device
12:24<mpfusion__>rm /dev/sdb
12:24<mpfusion__>And ls -l /dev/sdb again
12:24<mpr_>lets see...
12:24<blisteredradish>jimpop, no packages found matching...
12:24<cae>mpr_: check with lsblk, what actually is your USB stick
12:24<mpfusion__>Then it should work out fine (maybe unplug and re-plug again)
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12:25<mpr_>mpfusion__, sudo rm /dev/sdb, ls -l /dev/sdb: ls: cannot access /dev/sdb: No such file or directory
12:25<mpr_>mpfusion__, NOW I have a block device! :D
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12:26<mpr_>cae, lsblk shows sdb1 mounted at /media/usb0
12:26<mpr_>mpfusion__, how'd you spot that?
12:27<mpfusion__>mpr_: I had the exact same problem like two or three days ago and it took some time to debug. When I read your description, it was obvious to me that you're not using the block device
12:27<mpfusion__>I have no clue how I ended up with the regular file in /dev, though.
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12:27<cae>jimpop: it shows nothing, because I don't have nginx installed here... but after I installed that web server, I do get results, what a surprise ;-)
12:27<mpr_>mpfusion__, weird thing indeed
12:28<mpr_>cae, I have booted from my usb stick now! :D
12:29<cae>mpr_: great :-)
12:29<mpr_>cae, so what's next? :S
12:29<cae>mpr_: login as root
12:29<mpr_>cae, I'm at the boot menu for Debian now... how do I do that? :S
12:29<cae>cat /proc/mdstat # do you see any working RAID sets here?
12:30<cae>um, you took an installer CD?
12:30<mpr_>cae, should I select "Rescue mode" or something like that?
12:30<mpr_>cae, yup
12:30<cae>yeah, that's the syslinux menu that you're currently seeing
12:30<cae>rescue mode is a good choice there
12:30<mpr_>cae, Oh, didn't know it had a name of its own :)
12:31<cae>it'l ask you some stuff and afterwards you can choose something like "give me a shell"
12:31<mpr_>cae, crap, It doesn't seem to recognize my usb keyboard ¬¬
12:32<cae>you can't type?
12:32<mpr_>every time I try to the numlock key just flashes
12:32<mpr_>thats AFTER I select rescue mode
12:32<mpr_>syslinux menu works fine
12:33<cae>do you also have capslock/scrollock LEDs there and all of them are flashing?
12:33<mpr_>just numlock
12:33<cae>(that'd be bad, because then the kernel would have crashed)
12:33<cae>um, weird
12:33<mpr_>weird indeed
12:34<cae>do any of the other keys work? capslock toggles the capslock LED, alt+F4 changes the VT, etc?
12:34<mpr_>Graphical rescue mode doesn't seem to work either, same symptoms
12:35<mpr_>caps lock just flashes the numlock led
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12:38<mpr_>cae, actually all of the other menu options are showing the same behaviour
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12:39<cae>mpr_: no good, I'd suggest hardware problems, but it's just that one CD that doesn't work
12:39<cae>s/CD/USB stick/
12:39<potus>Hello All!
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12:39<mpr_>cae, yup.... will try to get a PS/2 keyboard
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12:40<Pepper>mpr_ and you have a 64bit system?
12:40<jimpop>cae: try doing "dpkg --list ..." for a pkg that you already had installed before the updates
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12:41<potus>Im on trial and error; At first trying to tether my phone resulted in a 'tething not supported' page via www. after some time i figured out if i mask my useragent via plugin; it works. But not before i broke my Bluetooth DUN. -- I have tried reinstalling blueman/bluez .. the gui appears to be connected.. it even says 'you may now connect to bluetooth dun via network manager' at this point, last time, i was connected .. now im stuck
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12:41<mpr_>Pepper, yup, amd64
12:41<cae>mpr_: when you select the 'Rescue mode' entry, press <TAB> and then try removing the 'quiet' at the end. Enter and check, where it's freezing
12:43<mpr_>cae, will try that
12:43<cae>jimpop: it works... do you have a file named 'nginx-something-here' in your working directory?
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12:43<cae>jimpop: try 'dpkg -l nginx\*' or the * inside " or '
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12:44<potus>anyone here use bluetooth dun that can help? i seen the scripts on; but, i feel i had it working before without scripting.. or am i wrong?
12:45<mpr_>cae, I don't get a chance to see where it freezes, it just goes to the curses interface and stops respondong there
12:45<mpr_>cae, *responding
12:45<cae>potus: I'm regulary using bluetooth tethering, but without some fancy frontends, so I might be not such helpful
12:46<mpr_>cae, I'm using a PS/2 keyboard now, and it seems to work...
12:47<jimpop>cae: thx... twas pebkac error
12:47<cae>mpr_: strange, almost never had USB problems in the last years
12:47<potus>cae: does one accomplish this by connecting rtcomm0 via wvdial ?
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12:48<mpr_>cae, neither did I, but guess it was time already :P
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12:48<saurox>Ciao a Tutti!!!
12:49<cae>potus: my script can be found here ... and it's not really designed for end users (and it sometimes breaks, but I'm sure that's the phone's fault)
12:49<mpr_>cae, does the debian installer support WPA2?
12:50<cae>mpr_: um. Try it, idk... I just plug in a cable and it works fine
12:50<saurox>come mai le finestre sono vuote ?
12:50<mpr_>cae, I have no cable at all :S
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12:51<mpr_>cae, and, btw, entering to the "detect harddisks" the raid/lvm structure is NOT detected :S
12:52<cae>mpr_: no cryptsetup? But it's no big deal, as long there isn't anything really broken, we can make it useable afterwards by hand
12:52<mpr_>cae, no, no crypto, just an lvm on top of a raid1
12:53<saurox>quando avvio un applicazione le finestre sono vuote ! potete aiutarmi ?
12:54<cae>dpkg: es
12:54<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:54<cae>or whatever it is... italian?
12:54<mpr_>saurox, provare /join #debian-it
12:54<mpr_>cae, yup, that's italian
12:55<saurox>sorry !
12:55<mpr_>saurox, no problem ;)
12:55<mpr_>cae, I got a shell! :P
12:55<mpr_>cae, what's next?
12:55<cae>mpr_: blue screen with white bottom and black text there?
12:56<mpr_>cae, yup! :)
12:56*cae is running a VM to try that steps first ;-)
12:56<mpr_>cae, you, sir, rule
12:56<cae>mdadm --examine --scan # shows a line with RAID data?
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12:57<linuxuz3r>what is hurd
12:57<mpr_>cae, that shows a line starting with "ARRAY /dev/md/0 ..."
12:57<cae>mpr_: good
12:58<mpr_>cae, :)
12:58<cae>mdadm --assemble --scan; cat /proc/mdstat
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12:58<cae>there's a 'md123: active .... [UUU]'?
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12:59<mpr_>cae, "md0 : active raid1 sdb1[0] sdc1[1]"
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13:00<cae>mpr_: great. Now try 'pvscan'
13:00<mpr_>cae, "733871936 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU]"
13:00<pyBlackout>sometimes without doing anything my notebook types c or v until i go in a terminal and press ctrl-c is this a known bug?
13:00<mpr_>cae, pvscan shows: "PV /dev/md0 VG main lvm2 [699.87 GiB / 0 free]"
13:01<cae>mpr_: ok, now I'm not sure since my test VM doesn't has LVM, but ether 'lvchange -ay' or 'vgchange -ay' should activate the logical volumes
13:02<mpr_>cae, should I try them in any particular order?
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13:02<mpr_>cae, nevermind, vgchange worked :P
13:02<cae>mpr_: one of them won't work... but it shouldn't break something... so whatever you prefer ;-)
13:02<mpr_>cae, what now? :D
13:03<cae>mpr_: lvs should show some "partitions" (actually logical volumes) now
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13:03<mpr_>cae, indeed
13:03<cae>is this just root or more than, say, three?
13:03<cae>are they named like usr or var?
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13:04<mpr_>cae, I have two logical volumes: 'lv-home' and 'lv-var'
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13:04<mpr_>cae, under the volume group "main"
13:04<jemadux>i have installed owncloud ... how to enable the https mode
13:04<cae>that sounds familiar, wait a moment
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13:05<cae>mpr_: I assume that / is not inside the LVM but on a seperate partition
13:05<mpr_>jemadux, does this help?
13:05<mpr_>cae, I sincerely have no idea... this was all a long time ago
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13:05<cae>mpr_: run blkid and look for *not* TYPE="linux_raid_member"
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13:06<cae>'lsblk' isn't working there, right? It'd probably better show what we're looking for
13:07<mpr_>cae, blkid works fine :)
13:08<mpr_>cae, sorry, yup lsblk doesn't work
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13:08<cae>mpr_: yeah, okay, then blkid must be enough
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13:08<mpr_>cae, but I found '/dev/sda1: LABEL="boot" ... TYPE="ext2"'
13:08<mpr_>cae, and '/dev/sda2: LABEL="root" ... TYPE="ext4"'
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13:09<cae>mpr_: good, try mounting the second: # mount /dev/sda2 /mnt
13:09<mpr_>cae, so I''m guessing that's where I put said stuff :P
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13:09<mpr_>cae, good, mounted
13:09<cae>then # cat /mnt/etc/hostname #... is that the original installations hostname?
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13:10<mpr_>cae, :DD indeed!!
13:10<cae>okay, then we can proceed to make the chroot ready
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13:10<cae># mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot
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13:11<mpr_>cae, done! :D
13:11<mpr_>cae, (I'm really excited!)
13:11<cae># mount /dev/main/var /mnt/var # <-- does this work?
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13:12<cae>if it doesn't, /dev/mapper/main-lv--var or something like this might
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13:12<mpr_>cae, sorta: # mount /dev/main/lv-var /mnt/var, the name was a little off
13:12<valdyn>cae: both does the same thing
13:12<cae>valdyn: yeah, it's just symlinks there, but sometimes you don't have that /dev/<volume-group>/* but only /dev/mapper/
13:13<cae>mpr_: repeat for /dev/main/lv-home
13:13<mpr_>cae, should I go "mounnt /dev/main/lv-home /mnt/home" too?
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13:13<mpr_>cae, oh, right
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13:13<mpr_>cae, done
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13:14<cae># ls /mnt/usr # show something like bin, sbin, share, and so on?
13:14<mpr_>cae, bin games include lib local sbin share src
13:14<cae>then we probably have all of the "real" filesystems mounted
13:14<mpr_>cae, :DD
13:14<cae>proceed with # mount -t proc none /mnt/proc
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13:14<cae># mount -t sysfs none /mnt/sys
13:15<cae># mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/dev
13:15<cae># chroot /mnt /bin/bash
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13:16<mpr_>cae, !! done!! :D
13:16<mpr_>cae, what does the "--bind" option to mount do?
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13:17<cae>"whenever I see an access to /mnt/dev, redirect it to /dev"
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13:17<mpr_>cae, oh great! :D
13:17<cae>that's basically --bind
13:17<mpr_>cae, so I should go on with apt-get update and the like?
13:17<cae>mpr_: # hostname # will output the real system's hostname, right?
13:18<mpr_>cae, hostname says "(none)"
13:18<mpr_>cae, (I just recalled, I have no inet :S)
13:18<cae># su -
13:18<cae># hostname
13:18<mpr_>cae, "(none)" again
13:19<cae>shouldn't be
13:19<cae>but ls /home # shows your private files?
13:19<cae>note the lack of /mnt in the path
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13:20<mpr_>yup, it shows my username and files
13:20<mpr_>cae, yeah, without the '/mnt' part
13:20<cae>ok, then probably just the hostname of the real system is broken (or whatever)
13:20<mpr_>cae, lets go with that (?)
13:20<cae>yeah, it's minor important
13:21<mpr_>cae, rith with you there
13:21<cae>better get the network running
13:21<mpr_>cae, allright, how do we do that?
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13:21<cae>since I'm sure that wireless network is black magic, I don't have any idea how to do this
13:21<cae>something with wpa_suppliant or so
13:21<mpr_>cae, lol
13:22<cae>@all, how do you establish a simple one-shoot WPA2 wireless link?
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13:24<cae>mpr_: but another idea, if you didn't run apt-get clean (or similar), the kernel package should be cached
13:24<cae># ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/*linux*
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13:28<mpr_>cae, how do i check that?
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13:29<mpr_>cae, (sorry, was checking if I had a 30ft lan cable, but couldn't find one :S)
13:29<cae># ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/*linux*
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13:29<cae>mpr_: ^ do you some packages listed?
13:30<apoc_>hello! Can somebody help me disable my touchpad? Debian 7.2.0, XFCE 4.8
13:31<mpr_>cae, I have some "linux-headers-3.10-2-amd64_3.10.7-1_amd64.deb"
13:31<amphi>apoc_: xinput is your friend
13:31<amphi>apoc_: is this a stinkpad?
13:31<mpr_>apoc_, does this help?
13:31<cae>apoc_: for one-shoot-disable, something with synclient (see synaptics(4))
13:32<apoc_>amphi: no its a dell latitude e6400
13:32<cae>mpr_: the headers aren't enough, sadly
13:32<apoc_>mpr_: thanks, gonna check out the link!
13:32<mpr_>cae, nono, I have image also :P
13:32<cae>mpr_: but you probably could take the kernel from the installer CD
13:32<amphi>apoc_: xinput disable $ID
13:32<apoc_>cae: thanks, will look into that as well
13:32<amphi>apoc_: xinput with no args will tell you the id
13:32<cae>mpr_: yeah, just put it into /var/cache/apt/archives and then try apt-get install linux-image-foo-bar
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13:33<amphi>apoc_: 'xinput disable 11' does it for me here
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13:33<cae>apoc_: $ synclient TouchpadOff=1 #could work
13:33<mpr_>cae, I have linux-headers-...-amd64, linux-headers-...-common, linux-image-...-amd64, all of them in /var/cache/apt/archives
13:33<amphi>apoc_: shouldn't be any need for special programs or anything
13:34<cae>mpr_: ah, linux-image is the kernel
13:34<apoc_>amphi: perfect! worked fine..! any way to keep the mouse bottons enabled, but the touchpad disabled?
13:34<mpr_>cae, sweet! :D
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13:34<mpr_>cae, how can I go about installing it now? :S
13:34<cae>mpr_: just try running apt-get install linux-image-your-version
13:34<amphi>apoc_: heh, not sure - I've done the opposite ;)
13:34<mpr_>cae, hang on a second ;)
13:35<apoc_>amphi: haha.. well its fine like this, thanks man!
13:35<amphi>apoc_: xinput enable $ID will get it back, should you want to
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13:36<apoc_>thanks guys, have a nice one! bye..
13:36<mpr_>cae, should a "apt-get install linux-image-3.10-2-amd64_3.10.7-1_amd64" work?
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13:36<cae>mpr_: strip the part after the first _
13:37<mpr_>cae, like this "apt-get install linux-image-3.10-2-amd64"?
13:37<cae>so # apt-get install linux-image-3.10-2-amd64 # should work
13:37<mpr_>cae, crap
13:37<mpr_>cae, it says
13:37<mpr_>cae, The following packages have unmet dependencies:
13:38<mpr_>cae, linux-image-3.10-2-amd64 : Depends: linux-base (>= 3~) but it is not going to be installed
13:38<mpr_>cae, E: Unable to correct probelms, you have held broken packages.
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13:39<cae>mpr_: but you don't have a linux-base in the apt/archives/ dir?
13:39<mpr_>cae, let me check
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13:40<cae>but if it's the only missing package, you could do --force since there's nothing essential inside:
13:40<mpr_>cae, nope, no linux-base
13:40<mpr_>cae, should I try the same apt-get install line with a "--force" again?
13:41<cae>apt-get... doesn't have --force, I mean some other option
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13:41<mpr_>cae, oh, i see
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13:41<cae>maybe --force-yes, but I'm not sure if it does the right thing
13:42<mpr_>cae, i think it doesn''t :S
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13:43<mpr_>cae, all I foound was the -f option, wich stands for "fix-missing", not for "force" :S
13:43<mpr_>cae, s/foound/found/
13:43<cae>mpr_: I think it's -f, that isn't short for --force (as I thought), but for --fix-broken
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13:44<mpr_>cae, right, but won't that try to download something?
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13:44<cae>but -m aka --fix-missing seems a good alternative
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13:45<mpr_>cae, nope, no luck
13:45<mpr_>cae, :'(
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13:45<cae>mpr_: what's the output?
13:46<mpr_>cae, "apt-get install -m linux-image-3.10-2-amd64" says the same as without the "-m" part, and plain "apt-get install -m" says there's nothing to install / remove
13:47<mpr_>cae, some dpkg black magick?
13:47<cae>mpr_: probably the combination of -m and -f does something (including probably make it even worse, so wait for feedback of others)
13:48<mpr_>cae, LOL
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13:48<mpr_>cae, what about "dpkg --force-depends -i whatever.deb"?
13:48<cae>mpr_: would be an alternative, yes
13:49<mpr_>cae, (btw, -mf did nothing at all, figured things could not get much worse)
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13:51<icetee>hi guys
13:51<icetee>i got a question regarding nfs version 4
13:51<icetee>when i mount one nfs share from my nfs server
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13:52<icetee>on ONE client, does it help performancewise, to use LACP on client and server
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13:52<icetee>or will it use only one link anyway. i know nfsv3 would use only one. but i'm not sure about nfsv4
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13:53<ljszalai>hi there
13:53<ljszalai>are lurkers allowed?
13:55<amphi>why not?
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13:56<mpr__>cae, sorry, my inet crapped out on me
13:57<mpr__>cae, did you get my last messages about dpkg --force-depends?
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13:57<cae>mpr__: I did, at the end you told that -mf didn't change anything
13:58<mpr__>cae, yeah, but I tried "dpkg --force-depends -i /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image..."
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13:58<mpr__>cae, everything went "well", until it yelled: "ERROR: mkdir /var/lock/dmraid"
13:58<mpr__>cae, and then "umount: /var/lib/os-prober/mount: not mounted"
13:58<cae>um... don't you have /var/lock as path?
13:59<mpr__>cae, yup
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13:59<mpr__>cae, but no /var/lock/dmraid
13:59<cae>did /var/ completely disappear?
13:59<mpr__>cae, nono, I meant that I DO have /var/lock
13:59<mpr__>cae, but no /var/lock/dmraid
14:00<mpr__>cae, just /var/lock/lvm
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14:07<mpr__>cae, are you still there?...
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14:08<cae>mpr__: yeah... probably os-prober doesn't work well in chroot
14:08<mpr__>cae, should I try to reboot and see if everything went ok?
14:09<cae>mpr__: # which dmraid # shows a path or nothing?
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14:09<cae>mpr__: did dpkg return with exit code 0? If not, the kernel might be not installed probably
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14:10<mpr__>cae, which dmraid shows "/sbin/dmraid"
14:11<mpr__>cae, dpkg returned 0, (dpkg ... ; echo $?)
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14:12<cae>mpr__: okay, so if I did get the code path from /usr/bin/os-prober right, it sees that there's dmraid aviable and does some checks (that fail because you don't use fake-RAID but md-based RAID)
14:12<cae>mpr__: # file /boot/initrd* /boot/vmli* # output sensible stuff?
14:13<cae>then I'd check /boot/grub/grub.cfg and prepare for reboot
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14:13<cae>aka. leave chroot, umount everything, lvchange -an, mdadm --stop /dev/mdX, reboot
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14:14<mpr__>cae, file /boot/initrd*: "/boot/initrd.img-3.10-2-amd64: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified..."
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14:14<mpr__>cae, file /boot/vmli*: "/boot/vmlinuz-3.10-2-amd64: x86 boot sector"
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14:14<cae>mpr__: yeah, then it should work
14:15<cae>exit the chroot, umount stuff
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14:15<mpr__>cae, ok, how do I do all that? :P
14:15<mpr__>cae, I apologize for my n00bness
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14:16<cae>mpr__: did you do the 'su -' earlier?
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14:16<cae>if yes, type 'exit' twice, if not, only one time
14:16<mpr__>y ctr-d'd my way out of su - :P
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14:17<mpr__>cae, I'm back at the "normal" shell prompt
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14:17<cae>okay, so /mnt is not empy anymore but contains your system?
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14:17<mpr__>cae, yup
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14:17<mpr__>cae, "umount *"? or aometing to that effect? :P
14:17<cae>quick and dirty, do # umount /mnt/* #... it'l match to many other not-mounted folders, but doesn't matter
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14:18<cae>you should get about 10 lines of '... not mounted' messages
14:18<mpr__>cae, actually
14:18<cae># mount # should now have /mnt at the bottom but nothing else like /mnt/boot
14:18<mpr__>cae, i get 16 erros...
14:18<cae>then # umount /mnt
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14:19<mpr__>cae, great :)
14:19<mpr__>cae, what now?
14:19<cae># lvchange -an # (or was it vgchange?)
14:19<mpr__>cae, vgchange ;)
14:19<mpr__>cae, done
14:20<mpr__>cae, mdadm --stop?
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14:20<cae>so # lvs # shouldn't have any *a* in the "Attr" line anymore, right?
14:20<cae>then the RAID should be not touched anymore and # mdadm --stop /dev/mdX #is right
14:20<mpr__>cae, right, no "a"s, just "-wi------"
14:21<mpr__>cae, "mdadm: stopped /dev/md0"
14:21<mpr__>cae, :D
14:22<mpr__>cae, should I reboot now?
14:22<cae>then... reboot. Or shutdown -rf now. Or echo b >/proc/sysrq-trigger... or what you prefer
14:22<mpr__>cae, the last one is a bit too h4xx0r for me :P
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14:23<mpr__>cae, BOOTED!
14:23<cae>system request... it can also be triggered by pressing Alt+PrintScreen+b at the same time (Don't do this at home, it'll reboot your box...)
14:23<mpr__>cae, but... no gnome :(
14:23<mpr__>cae, I got a couple of red messages
14:24<cae>mpr__: well, probably the graphics card driver and kernel version don't match anymore or something like this
14:24<mpr__>cae, alright, but at least I have a bootable system now :D
14:24<cae>right :-D
14:24<mpr__>cae, if you give me an address I'll make sure you get a fruit basket or something :D
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14:25<cae>mpr__: that's kind, but I also had fun with it :-)
14:25<mpr__>cae, you're the man! :D
14:26<mpr__>cae, so, how should I proceed from here? I mean, should I try to get the inet working and 'apt-get upgrade' my way out of the console? :P
14:26<cae>mpr__: yeah... are you seeing a login prompt right now?
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14:27<mpr__>cae, yup, actually I logged in successfully
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14:33<cae>mpr__: WPA2 seems to be pretty easy nowadays, basically put wpa-ssid and wpa-psk to /etc/network/interfaces, see
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14:55<mpr_>cae, you still 'round?
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15:57<Mietzie>How can i clear my "apt-get update" and/or "aptitude update" cache?
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15:58<Mietzie>Not only the packages, i want to clean my database completely
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16:06<DrZaius>in what file is /run/... mounted?
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16:08<dondelelcaro>DrZaius: in the initrd if I remember correctly
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16:10<DrZaius>thanks dondelelcaro
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16:11<Mietzie>No one andered my question
16:12<DrZaius>Mietzie: what do you want to acommplish?
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16:12<DrZaius>cleaning your database completely?
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16:13<DrZaius>/var/lib/dpkg/status is the db you are refereing to... but erasing it is not a good idea
16:13<dondelelcaro>Mietzie: what are you trying to do?
16:13<DrZaius>what do you want to achieve with that?
16:13<Mietzie>I want to do this ... I don't want to give my reason here :D
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16:14<dondelelcaro>Mietzie: there's no reason to ever clear the apt-get update; cache, because it gets rebuilt all the time.
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16:15<dondelelcaro>Mietzie: but if you really wanted to, it's stored in /var/lib/apt/lists
16:15<Mietzie>I only want to clear the apt-get update generated cache databsase files
16:15<DrZaius>Mietzie: we only ask for the reason, because is there little reason to interact manually with this database without breaking something
16:15<Mietzie>Yes, the reason is a template for a virtual machine ;)
16:15<dondelelcaro>Mietzie: that's just /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin and /var/cache/apt/srcpkgcache.bin
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16:15<dondelelcaro>Mietzie: but even for a virtual machine, there's little reason to clear it
16:16<dondelelcaro>since it'll just be regenerated the next time you run almost any apt-get command
16:16<Mietzie>Yes, but it's only a template, and this must be clean ;)
16:18<DrZaius>well thats a reason
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16:19<DrZaius>btw, use the files that dondelelcaro told you... those are cache... the one i told you about is not a cache
16:19<Mietzie>Okay, thanks
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16:21<dondelelcaro>yeah; you basically never want to delete /var/lib/dpkg/status
16:21<dondelelcaro>there's a reason why we have backups of it in /var/backups/
16:22<Mietzie>I make a backup of every system critical change :D
16:22<Mietzie>before i do this
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16:43<Hai_Karate>Installed wheezy on my sons laptop now he hates windows haha
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16:47<dpkg>...and the peasants rejoiced.
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16:47<Mietzie>Hi again
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16:48<Mietzie>I deleted /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin and /var/cache/apt7srcpkgcache.bin but no change :(
16:48<Mietzie>The apt-get update does not download the index again
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16:50<Mietzie>Problem solved
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16:50<Mietzie>rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*wheezy*
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16:54<Chris___>Debian GNU/Linux 7.3 (wheezy) is already released?
16:56<blarson>!tell Chris___ about wheezy
16:56<musca>Chris___: yes, today
16:57<Chris___>really, i could not find any at google, but my system have updated to 7.3
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17:19<kingsley>Is the output of compiling packages published online, especially with code offsets that can be compared to back traces?
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17:27<fob>Hi. I run the latest stable distribution and can't watch certain videos:
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17:28<fob>simply does not start. can anyone help me?
17:28<fob>(opera, iceweasel, konqueror tested)
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17:32<musca>hi fob
17:32<fob>can you watch the video?
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17:35<musca>yes, i can confirm it works with Aurora (iceweasel 27) on unstable
17:35<fob>Can anyone watch it with stable distribution?
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17:36<musca>fob: you could try the chromium browser
17:37<musca>it's in main
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17:38<adb>fob, yes it work on stable iceweasel
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17:42<fob>it works with chromium
17:42<fob>thank you very much
17:42<comion>is there a wiki that gives a more in depth explanation of the encryption option when installing debian?
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17:47<amphi>comion: you've read ?
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17:49<comion>amphi, nope, thx for the info, reading now
17:49<dpkg>The Installation Guide for Debian 7 "Wheezy" can be found at . See also <errata>, <release notes>.
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18:53<hermann>Hi. Where can I find a list of Debian's .deb package groups? Like this list for OpenSUSE's rpm groups:
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19:00<themill>hermann: Debian policy §2.4 defines archive sections that are a bit like this What are you wanting this information for? (there might be better things to use)
19:01<hermann>I want to create packages with checkinstall for software I have built manually, and want to provide the group information to it so it's included in the generated .deb file
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19:03<hermann>themill: yes thanks, I think these sections are what I want
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19:05<themill>If it's just a quick and dirty package you're making with checkinstall, I wouldn't bother. If it's a real package you want to give to other people then this is a little more important (and you wouldn't use checkinstall)
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19:13<saaa>Hey :)
19:14<saaa>Does allow-hotplug function for wireless interfaces?
19:15<saaa>E.G. USB wireless devices.
19:16<hermann>themill: Yes it's for private usage, so I think I'll leave it at the default value "checkinstall" (which has the benefit to easily identify installed self-made packages by looking for this section)
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19:17<hermann>themill: thanks for your help, goodbye
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19:32<sabelo>hello, I'm trying to upgrade my kernel to 3.2 or newer, but when I use apt-cache search linux-image I only see 2.6 kernels. Anyone know if I can use 3.2?
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19:34<devil>sabelo: backports is the way to go
19:34<LtL>sabelo: are you on squeeze? you need to enable backports.
19:34<sabelo>I'm on wheezy
19:36<LtL>sabelo: then you should have 3.2 running, something is messed up
19:36<LtL>sabelo: what does uname -r say
19:37<sabelo>2.6.32-5-amd64, it was an older disk.
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19:38<sabelo>I'll see if using backports works.
19:38<LtL>sabelo: does your sources.list point to stable or wheezy?
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19:44<sabelo>Looks like I'm actually running squeeze. Will try upgrading to wheezy. Thanks for the pointers.
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19:49<ectospasm>dpkg: tell sabelo -about squeeze->wheezy
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21:12<DarkMio>Hello, I ran into a problem using the graphical installer. After my installer did everything well, grub didn't. It's stuck with "The 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/."
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21:27<optiplex520>merry christmas
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21:38<naedirique>hi there!
21:38<naedirique>I'm having some issues with gnome shell
21:39<naedirique>particularly, suddenly (after applying a dist-upgrade 6 or so months old) none of my applications are visible when I get to the dash
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21:39<naedirique>anyone had this happen to them before? any ideas?
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21:43<lyh>who are there?
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21:43<naedirique>anyone? :S
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