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00:00<Nietzschette>oh well, thanks anyway
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00:01<SamB>Nietzschette: console-tools might have something to do with it, or possibly console-setup
00:01<SamB>I think they probably have docs in /usr/share/doc/$package
00:01<Nietzschette>how can I access using bash?
00:01<Nietzschette>mk, I'll google those
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00:02<SamB>I would recommend "zless" on files in the respective subdirectories of /usr/share/doc
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00:05<Nietzschette>hmm, zless command not found
00:05<SamB>Nietzschette: oh, or "dpkg-reconfigure $package" to see if it has nice settings you can change
00:06<SamB>,file bin/zless
00:06<judd>Search for bin/zless in wheezy/i386: gzip: bin/zless
00:06<Nietzschette>mmk
00:06<Nietzschette>bin/zless, no such file
00:06<Nietzschette>or directory
00:06<SamB>yeah, that's not the whole name
00:07<SamB>okay, I have no clue how you could be missing that, and I'm really going to do something else now
00:08<Nietzschette>alright, i've got some new sights to scan that'll keep me busy
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00:13<Nietzschette>i feel like, by the time I figure this out, i'll be an debian master
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00:30<Nietzschette>ne1 else think they're nerdy enough to help me?
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00:50<Nietzschette>I'm surprized in a room of 600 . . . nobody has encountered this . . . the first problem i've had with debian
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00:53<dizzylizzy>Nietzschette, sorry about the silence; most people just idle in here without paying attention
00:54<themill>I'm not sure anyone knows what the question really is
00:54<dizzylizzy>I did look up a thing about Kernel Mode Setting on the arch wiki, but it didn't seem to be quite what you wanted. Did you say it was the resolution or the font that was acting up?
00:54<Nietzschette>it's cool . . . i've got old episodes of game of thrones looping in the background
00:54<dizzylizzy>You said it was hard to read, but I'm not sure what exactly that means
00:54<Nietzschette>it's the screen dimensions
00:54<dizzylizzy>does the text get too small?
00:54<Nietzschette>should be lower, to 800x600 for this old monitor
00:54<dizzylizzy>what's wrong with the resolution it sets to?
00:54<Nietzschette>text is way to small and distorted and repeats across the screen a few times
00:55<dizzylizzy>Oh, one of those thingies
00:55<Nietzschette>I've had this issue before, because it's an old monitor
00:55<dizzylizzy>I've seen that happen but only in graphical modes
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00:55<opello>seems like the appropriate vga= parameter would help
00:56<Nietzschette>yes, it would seem
00:56<Nietzschette>I've appended files in grub
00:56<Nietzschette>yet those only seem to adjust the grub
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00:57<Nietzschette>grub.h/00_header . . . /booy/grub/grub.conf
00:57<Nietzschette>boot^
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00:59<Nietzschette>i attempt to interject set modes and vga = wxh, save, and restart, yet this only changes the grub's resolution, and when I achieve login prompt the screen jumps to a higher rez
00:59<Nietzschette>. . . :/
00:59<kernix>hey
00:59<dizzylizzy>Nietzschette, might this help at all? https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/10/msg01939.html
01:00<Nietzschette>I do enjoy challanges like this though, for some reason
01:00<dizzylizzy>I found that, something about setting grub gfxpayload to 'keep' ?
01:00<dizzylizzy>Whenever I've played with grub's resolution it was with arch and it did keep, but this was all from the kernel line
01:00<opello>Nietzschette: is it a console based login prompt or an x based one?
01:00<Nietzschette>console
01:01<Nietzschette>and i've made said modifications to /etc/default/grub
01:01<dizzylizzy>Nietzschette, wait, you modified grub, but did you just append a vga= to the boot line? I think you hit 'e' to edit this at the grub menu
01:01<themill>Nietzschette: does "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" give you options to choose font size for console?
01:01<dizzylizzy>that changes what you're booting into, not just grub's config
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01:02<opello>if you edit /etc/default/grub you need to run update-grub for it to take effect, are you doing that?
01:02<dizzylizzy>aha! https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Grub#Setting_the_framebuffer_resolution
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01:02<dizzylizzy>that details it very clearly
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01:03<opello>(passing values with e to edit the params for 'this boot' is a good way to test)
01:03<dizzylizzy>Nietzschette, there you go :) it's too bad it was on the arch wiki
01:03<dizzylizzy>apparently that way is deprecated now
01:04<dizzylizzy>we need debian wiki additions, looks like
01:04<dizzylizzy>I'll take a look when I'm less busy
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01:04<Nietzschette>it's cool, i'll apply methods of science in the mean time
01:05<jm_>vga= will only work with linux16 command in grub
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01:08<Nietzschette>this site lizz showed me is new, though, thanks
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01:11<dizzylizzy>no problem. the arch wiki is surprisingly useful, as long as you are able to adapt the information for a debian system. there's a lot in that wiki that won't apply to debian systems quite the same.
01:11<Nietzschette>well, I just rebooted with the new changes . . .
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01:11<Nietzschette>and grub's resolution has changed from 640x480 to 800x600
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01:12<Nietzschette>but the login prompt still adjusts
01:12<dizzylizzy>buy a new monitor?
01:12<Nietzschette>parish the thought!
01:12<dizzylizzy>:-/ I'm sorry, I have no idea
01:12<dizzylizzy>good luck Nietzschette !
01:12<Nietzschette>thanks anyway!
01:13<Nietzschette>this is a project for some friends who are . . . I suppose the proper term is oogle
01:14<Nietzschette>so, it would be preferred to recycle these old hunks
01:14<Nietzschette>:P
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04:09<internat>howdy. Any recommendations for local network traffic monitoring? eg i want to montior the ins and outs on the box? NTOP doesnt seem to capture sub interfaces, so unless ive configured something wrong
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04:12<farsight>dfdf
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04:15<mekt>internat: for detail, wireshark. For automated, an intrusion detection system. SNORT is one.
04:16<mekt>Firewall/iptables rules can generate log messages also.
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04:19<internat>more looking at gathering stats on whats going in and out
04:20<lupine>I don't have backscroll, but I've started using jnettop for traffic flow analysis
04:20<lupine>it's reasonable, and at least supports ipv6 as well
04:20<jm_>other useful tools might be jnettop iptraf
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04:52<ixi>should I use ext 3 or ext 4 ontop of an lvm on a server with important data ?
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05:01<funkyHat>ixi: yes
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05:03<slicky>Hello folks. It seams that xorg.conf won't appy it's config on gdm3 with my 2 displays.. when I save the xorg.conf from nvidia.settings and appy it, i get the result i want, but when i restart gdm3 I get my old settings back.
05:03<slicky>nvidia-settings
05:04<slicky>I have deleted all xorg.conf files on the system then ran nvidia-xsettings and then nvidia-settings.. but still the same problem
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05:07<mekt>ixi: ext4 or ext2 not ext3. ext2 is more recoverable by tools.
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05:07<lupine>ehm
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05:08<mekt>I would pick ext4
05:08<lupine>I'd pick ext3 over ext2 in any situation where recoverability from anything other than accidental-delete is important
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05:09<mekt>In such a situation, ext4 is better.
05:09<ixi>I see
05:09<ixi>and how about xfs ?
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05:09<lupine>we had problems with ext4 and sparse files recently
05:09<lupine>it's still a newish filesystem. more bugs than ext3
05:09<mekt>oh?
05:09<ixi>I have had a deadlock with ext4 sometime ago
05:09<ixi>so unsure about it
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05:10<lupine>it just didn't do fiemap right
05:10<mekt>lupine: do you have a good test?
05:10<lupine>it was "create a sparse file, read the fiemap, compare with expected"
05:10<lupine>I think they fixed that one in the end
05:10<lupine>but there will be other stuff lurking, relative to ext3
05:11<mekt>For testing and personal desktop use, i suggest Reiser4. It recently got a major bug fixed and seems stable now. I've been using it for almost a year.
05:11<mekt>see also #Reiser4
05:11<lupine>well, there's no accounting for taste
05:11<mekt>It does compression also.
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05:13<lupine>doesn't it lack reflinks?
05:13<mekt>offhand, i don't know 'reflinks'.
05:14<mekt>hard or symbolic links I would know.
05:14<lupine>cow support, more or less
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05:15<lupine>not that ext3/4 have it either. you have to go to btrfs for that
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05:15<mekt>I only know of COW-likeness (deduping on BtrFS and ZFS). On ZFS, I recommend against deduplication for most situations.
05:16<mekt>It consumes too much memory and performance where there is not much duplication.
05:16<lupine>it's not dedup
05:16<mekt>I like to run duplicate finding tools to get rid of duplicates: duff, fdupes
05:17<mekt>I imagine you can still get snapshots and COW by a LVM layer. There is also COW based on multiple hard links which works.
05:17<ixi>I think I'll use xfs for now
05:17<ixi>until btrfs is ready
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06:44<william>hello,every here?
06:44<Maulkin>Yes - do you have a Debian support query?
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06:45<user532>can you help me?
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06:46<SynrG>user532: if you have a debian support question, just ask
06:47<user532>i wrote to i18n channel but nobody answered
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06:47<user532>I've installed debian wheezy via debootstrap, configured it, but i can't set up russian language in gtk apps and in the terminal but keyboard layout and russian symbols normally work in the terminal http://pastebin.com/psWejjEe
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06:48<user532>how to set up russian language in the console and gtk apps?
06:49<SynrG>"in the terminal" = virtual console?
06:49<user532>virtual console and X terminal too
06:49<SynrG>what is in /etc/default/keyboard ?
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06:49<user532>5seconds
06:50<user532>XKBMODEL="cymotionlinux"
06:50<user532>XKBLAYOUT="us,ru"
06:50<user532>XKBVARIANT=","
06:50<user532>XKBOPTIONS="grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll"
06:50<user532>BACKSPACE="guess"
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06:51<SynrG>as per my priv message to you, use paste.debian.net
06:52<user532>yes, sorry
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06:54<SynrG>i can't see the problem in what you pasted, though the value for XKBMODEL is one that is unfamiliar to me
06:55<SynrG>did you install the default desktop, i.e. GNOME?
06:55<user532>I have installed LXDE
06:56<user532>keyboard works good, I can print russian letters
06:57<SynrG>i see.
06:58<SynrG>so what, specifically, doesn't work?
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06:59<user532>doesnt work russian language in gtk apps (it should be "Выход" instead "Exit", for example) and doesn't work russian language in terminal
07:00<SynrG>which specific applications?
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07:00<user532>no, all gtk and terminal applications
07:00<SynrG>and as for terminal, i guess that's lxterminal. i don't know the status of language support for that.
07:00<SynrG>i know gnome should 'just work'
07:00<user532>in ubuntu it just works
07:01<nari>any one know mobile tracking app in android
07:01<SynrG>lxde is ahead of wheezy in versions of things from LXDE project that they ship
07:01<SynrG>ubuntu is ahead of wheezy in versions of things from LXDE project that they ship, i meant
07:01<SynrG>,lxterminal
07:01<SynrG>,v lxterminal
07:02<judd>Package: lxterminal on i386 -- squeeze: 0.1.8-2; jessie: 0.1.11-4; sid: 0.1.11-4; wheezy: 0.1.11-4
07:02<user532>ok, but i have debian installation with lxde on other machine, russian works
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07:03<SynrG>what does lxde have as a keyboard switcher?
07:03<SynrG>your settings indicate us layout would be default.
07:04<user532>yes
07:04<user532>I can switch between russian and english as well
07:04<SynrG>ok, so that part you said works anyway, you can switch to ru layout ...
07:04<SynrG>yeah
07:04<user532>Сейчас я пишу на русском. - Now I'm writing on russian
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07:05<SynrG>i guess the locale is not generated, then
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07:05<user532>I have generated en_US.UTF-8 and ru_RU.UTF-8 locales
07:06<user532>myself
07:06<SynrG>hm
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07:08<user532>I login into ubuntu in chroot, ran 'nano', it is russian
07:08<SynrG>so the output of:
07:08<SynrG>dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive locales
07:08<SynrG>please
07:09<user532>ok
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07:09<user532>generating locales
07:09<SynrG>the correct ones, then?
07:09<SynrG>grep -v '#' /etc/locale.gen
07:10<user532>en_US.UTF-8, ru_RU.UTF-8, done
07:10<SynrG>k. looks fine to me
07:10<SynrG>hmm
07:10<user532>en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 ru_RU.UTF-8 UTF-8
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07:10<SynrG>yeah, that's right too.
07:11<SynrG>mysterious. have you tried using something other than lxterminal?
07:11<user532>yes, browser, text editor leafpad, pcmanfm are english only
07:11<user532>browser is midori
07:12<user532>gpickview, gnome-mplayer are english too
07:13<SynrG>and i try in lxterminal: LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8 nano
07:13<SynrG>and for me, the help on the bottom row is all in russian
07:13<SynrG>mind you, that's in sid
07:13<user532>nano is english ((
07:14<SynrG>i can retest this in wheezy, too
07:16<SynrG>yes, fine for me in wheezy in lxterminal, once i've generated the ru_RU.UTF-8 locale :p
07:16<SynrG>i'm baffled. no idea what's going on for you
07:16<user532>I have done this command in Ubuntu chroot, it works
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07:16<user532>but debian is english(((
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07:17<planetmaker>my debian is just fine in German
07:17<user532>I will try to generate ukraina locale
07:19<planetmaker>you might need to at least restart the applications and the terminal you call them from to have another locale become active
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07:33<user532>Problem Is solved!! Thanks for help
07:34<SynrG>user532: by what?
07:35<user532>dpkg-reconfigure localepurge
07:35<SynrG>oh! you didn't say you were using localepurge :)
07:35<SynrG>this is a) not a standard package and b) has dire warnings all over it
07:36<user532>i am using debian on 2gb microsd
07:36<user532>i must use localepurge
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07:39<user532>I have another additional question: how to mount volumes in pcmanfm without password? i think it's policykit
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07:42<SynrG>user532: sure. i use localepurge myself, but when you use stuff with warnings you should take care to mention it when asking for support.
07:43<SynrG>user532: re pcmanfm, dunno. i assume you mean network fileshares?
07:43<SynrG>from a windows network perhaps?
07:43<user532>no, local hard disk
07:43<SynrG>oh ...
07:43<user532>ext4 and ntfs
07:43<nadir>I see no warning related to localepurge
07:43<SynrG>i have mine just set up in /etc/fstab
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07:44<user532>no, no /etc/fstab
07:44<SynrG>nadir: apt-cache show localepurge
07:44<nadir>SynrG: indeed.
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07:44<SynrG>!user accessible ntfs
07:44<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
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07:45<SynrG>nadir: indeed, what? you see the warning now?
07:45<nadir>Yes, indeed, there are the warnings. Thanks
07:45<SynrG>:)
07:45<nadir>glad i didn't read them before using it (else i would probably never have used it ...)
07:46<nadir>But now i know what to look for if things go south
07:47*SynrG nods
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07:48<SynrG>user532: with ntfs i would do it using /etc/fstab as per above. as for how to automount with pcmanfm, i don't know. i don't think even gnome did an automount of ntfs on external usb last time i tried it.
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07:49<SynrG>user532: generally you need to do some setup for external filesystems that support uid/gid because otherwise, how would the system know how to do the mappings?
07:49<SynrG>it's probably not safe to assume all uid & gid on that filesystem are the same as for your system.
07:50<SynrG>other OSes may have different policies about this
07:50<user532>i will set up policies
07:50<nadir>user532: i know that quite some people from the antix forum seem to use (or have used) pcmanfm. You might search there (i don't care for automounting, hence never realized they spoke about it. + i am not there that often).
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07:53<dsa>Hi guys, does anybody know how to force apache2 passenger module to create the temp directories in /tmp with www-data as the owner of those directories? After the recent update of ruby-passenger and libapache2-mod-passenger the passenger directory in tmp gets created as root:root which causes a 'permission denied' error when running my rails app...
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07:58<dsa>if I set the owner manually as www-data:www-data with chown on the passenger temp directory, everything works fine; the problem is that if I restart apache, the directory gets created again as root:root
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07:59<dsa>any help would be appreciated!
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08:06<nadir>dsa: doc/Users guide Apache.html in the ruby-gem directory seems to speak a lot about the /tmp directory.
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08:10<gaurav_>hello
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08:11<gaurav_>i am new to irc wht's happening her
08:12<nadir>dsa http://paste.debian.net/71141/ (i really can't say if that will be of big help for you)
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08:14<dsa>nadir: thanks for your suggestions, I will check them out; do you know where to find the ruby-gem directory? I cant find it on my system
08:15<nadir>jeez, i am using rvm, let me do a quick search (look at /usr/lib/ruby ... meanwhile )
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08:16<nadir>/usr/lib/ruby/gems/2.0.0/gems/
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08:17<nadir>ups, "enter too fast". I myself don't fully understand what is the purpose of /usr/lib/ruby/ruby_vendor. Perhaps use "find /usr/lib/ruby -name '*gem*' , or similar
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08:19<dsa>I found some stuff under /var/lib/gems, but I can't find the file you mentioned :(
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08:21<nadir>dsa: i am shooting in the dark. You can ask at #debian-ruby (but often it is silent there)
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08:24<dsa>nadir: Ok, thanks! I'll see if I have more luck there
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08:37<shakaran>what's the proper channel to ask for a SSH issue with Alioth?
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08:38<themill>shakaran: you can try here or #alioth
08:39<shakaran>themill, yesterday I follow the guide https://wiki.debian.org/Alioth/SSH, but when I try to connect for clone a repo, I get a denied
08:40<themill>shakaran: so you have an alioth account?
08:40<shakaran>yep, my username is shakaran-guest
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08:40<themill>and you're a member of a team?
08:40<shakaran>yep, pkg-java
08:41<themill>and you've uploaded your ssh public key via the web interface?
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08:42<shakaran>Yes, I add my public ssh key too in https://alioth.debian.org/account/editsshkeys.php
08:42<shakaran>and my ~/.ssh/config it is like:
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08:42<themill>!pastebin
08:42<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
08:43<stevenm_>Lo, during debian installation a step asks you to choose a mirror - can that step be ran later after installation?
08:43<themill>stevenm_: you can just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
08:43<shakaran>themill, http://dpaste.com/1507933/
08:43<Maulkin>stevenm_: Depends which CD image you have, but as long as you have the packages you need, then that's fine.
08:44<stevenm_>themill, I want whatever originally wrote that
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08:46<Maulkin>stevenm_: I'm confused - what are you trying to do? Is it adding a local mirror afterwards, or finding the fastest country mirror, or what?
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08:46<stevenm_>Maulkin, I'm after the original utility that writes out sources.list
08:47<themill>stevenm_: it's not designed to be used outside the installer
08:47<Maulkin>stevenm_: That's part of the installation system - Could you explain what you're trying to do?
08:48<stevenm_>I'm attempting to find such a utility if it exists, logic suggests by your answers it does not exist after installation (except on the CD) - question answered.
08:48<stevenm_>thanks
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08:48*Maulkin sighs
08:48<themill>stevenm_: echo "deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main" > /etc/apt/sources.list does not need a utility,
08:49<stevenm_>actually try.... b=deb;c=http:/;d=debian;e=$d.org/;f=$c/ftp.uk.$e$d/;g=wheezy;h=updates;i="main contrib non-free";l=$c/security.$e;m=$b-src;a="$f $g $i";s="$l $g/$h $i";u="$f $g-$h $i";z="$b $a\n$m $a\n\n$b $s\n$m $s\n\n$b $u\n$m $u\n";echo -e $z
08:49<Maulkin>stevenm_: If you tell us what you're trying to do, then we can help. For example, netselect-apt may be useful, or what themill wrote. Or, you can be snippy at volunteers.
08:50<stevenm_>you'll get all 6 default lines of sources.list with that, plus newline spaces - but it's a bit of a mouthful
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08:51<stevenm_>this seems less crazy... printf "%s http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free\n" deb deb-src
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08:52<stevenm_>what'd be even less crazy however is calling the original utility that wrote it - as that utility clearly has the knowledge of the mirrors and would likely be a shorter command
08:52<nadir>shakaran: try removing the second line with "Host "
08:52<stevenm_>but since that doesn't exist... conversation closed?
08:53<themill>stevenm_: I think you'll find we gave up at the point where you couldn't articulate what problem it was you were trying to solve.
08:53<nadir>shakaran: If that fails add "debian-alioth " to the first line with "Host". If that fails add "port 22"
08:53<stevenm_>themill, clearly it is resetting sources.list in the most official/shortest/most efficient way possible
08:53<themill>"clearly".
08:53<stevenm_>well I'm confused what else you might think I'm trying to do at this point
08:54<Maulkin>We have no idea as you won't tell us.
08:54<stevenm_>I already have
08:54<themill>Why does your sources.list need changing at all? What are you trying to achieve?
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08:54<nadir>shakaran: and make really sure that your private rsa key is ~/.ssh/alioth
08:55<stevenm_>I just need it resetting back to what it should be, regardless of what it currently has... not on this system specifically but on many as part of a script
08:55<themill>stevenm_: "reset" doesn't make much sense when there's no default
08:55<stevenm_>the utility I'm after however doesn't exist so it's a mute point now
08:55<themill>but if you articulated what you want perhaps we could help...
08:56<stevenm_>i did and already got my answer long ago
08:56<themill>Making us guess both the question *and* the answer makes this entire game rather difficult.
08:56<stevenm_>i wanted that utility - it doesn't exist, answer found.
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08:58<Maulkin>I was going to be nice and start looking through d-i sources, or even point him at #debian-boot, but never mind.
08:59<devil>he surely had a concept wrong
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09:04<brucelee>hi guys.
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09:15<brucelee>"Linux version 2.6.32 " Dose this kernel version support pptpd?
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09:16<abrotman>One would think so, that's a fairly old feature, no?
09:17<brucelee>"modprobe ppp-compress-18 && echo ok" I tried this command and got this:FATAL: Module ppp_compress_18 not found.
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09:17<brucelee>does it mean I can't use pptpd?
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09:18<themill>sure that's the right module name?
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09:19<brucelee>I don't know what I'm doing exactly.
09:19<brucelee>I just want to install an VPN server
09:20<brucelee>Followed the instructions
09:21<brucelee>but when I try connect the VPN server, I kept getting an Error 619,on my client prompt.
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09:22<shakaran>nadir, it still doesn't work for "ssh -v shakaran-guest@git.debian.org" http://dpaste.com/1507988/
09:22<devil>brucelee: some instructions on the internet are very old and very wrong
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09:23<brucelee>I opened debug mode on server. Log says
09:23<brucelee>"Couldn't open the /dev/ppp device: Operation not permitted"
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09:24<nadir>shakaran: i recall quite some problems too, and sure don't know the subject well. That said: your actual config?
09:24<brucelee>of course I do.
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09:25<brucelee>at first I found that I don't have /dev/ppp dirctory.
09:25<themill>shakaran: might be worth asking #alioth -- seeing a log file at the other end would help this
09:26<brucelee>then I run " mknod /dev/ppp c 108 0" like they said
09:26<brucelee>then I got one.
09:26<nadir>^^ that. (though i took your config, replaced your username with mine, your rsa key with mine and removed the second host, and "ssh git.debian.org" worked fine)
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09:26<brucelee>seems it doesn't work correctly
09:27<SynrG>normally one would not statically create device nodes like that.
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09:27<SynrG>each kernel module, when loaded, would trigger udev to create them
09:28<shakaran>nadir, my actual config is now http://dpaste.com/1507994/ I gonna ask in #alioth at least now I get permission denied and not too many reject connections
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09:30<SynrG>brucelee: is that a debian (squeeze) kernel?
09:30<brucelee>SynrG: I c.That means I should patch my kernel?
09:30<SynrG>brucelee: or something you compiled yourself
09:30<nadir>shakaran: copy and paste this as the first line (but really ask in #alioth): Host debian-alioth svn.debian.org git.debian.org bzr.debian.org hg.debian.org darcs.debian.org arch.debian.org
09:30<brucelee>Linux version 2.6.32-042stab081.3 (root@rh6-build-x64) (gcc version 4.4.6 20120305 (Red Hat 4.4.6-4) (GCC) ) #1 SMP Mon Sep 9 20:07:47 MSK 2013
09:31<SynrG>brucelee: i guess that's your VPN host's kernel, then
09:31<brucelee>yeah
09:31<themill>you probably don't get to load modules into that either
09:31<SynrG>probably not
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09:32<SynrG>/lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ppp/pppoe.ko
09:32<shakaran>nadir, same error. Trying in #alioth
09:32<SynrG>^ i'm guessing you need that
09:32<SynrG>(obviously, for your kernel version#, not this one)
09:32<nadir>shakaran: sorry. good luck
09:32<SynrG>brucelee: can you 'modprobe pppoe'?
09:33<brucelee>let me try
09:33<SynrG>incidentally, on a system with no ppp/pppoe module loaded, i do have /dev/ppp
09:33<brucelee>WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/.
09:33<brucelee>FATAL: Module pppoe not found.
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09:33<SynrG>yeah, as i suspected.
09:34<brucelee>so, i should patch the kernel with /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ppp/pppoe.ko
09:34<brucelee>right?
09:35<themill>brucelee: no. You don't run your own kernel on that VPS so you don't get to patch it or modprobe or anything like that
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09:36<SynrG>find a VPN provider that provides you with what you need. why pppoe anyway?
09:36<SynrG>i would expect a VPN provider would offer a way to connect to the network that would mesh with their actual hosting
09:37<SynrG>i.e. if their host kernel has no pppoe support, you don't need it in your VPN to actually connect to the network.
09:38<brucelee>I know , It's just that I already had a vPS ,I thought I should take advantage of it.
09:38<SynrG>so i think we're in a bit of an X/Y problem here
09:38<SynrG>what are you actually trying to accomplish?
09:39<brucelee>Setup an VPN server on this VPS
09:39<themill>or look at a non-pptp-based vpn -- you may well already have tun or tap available there and there are plenty of tun/tap based vpn programs available
09:39<brucelee>that what I want to do
09:39<SynrG>brucelee: must it be pptp?
09:39<brucelee>nope
09:39<SynrG>great. you're all set, then. get studying :)
09:40<brucelee>Okay.
09:40<brucelee>thanks for help.
09:40<SynrG>!tell brucelee about vpn
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10:28<stormy98>hi wonder if someone can help, i've setup a dns server and from the same server i'm running strace gtent hosts google.com and gettting Dec 16 15:27:29 services named[30491]: client 127.0.0.1#49862: query 'google.com.services.internal.**.com/A/IN' denied
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10:28<stormy98>in the syslog of the server
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10:57<dyfrgi>stormy98: That's a very weird query.
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11:01<hakermania>Hey :) It is estimated that jessie will be released at about the end of 2015. Will new packages come to Debian by then? For example, the Wheezy installation I am currently using contains only qt4 while qt5 is not available.
11:01<hakermania>Will it stay as is untill the end of 2015?
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11:02<Nemoder>!backports
11:02<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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11:04<vipul>hello
11:04<blast007>hakermania: Jessie currently seems to have both Qt 4 and Qt 5.
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11:05<jgcampbell300>can anyone tell me if there is a ppa i can add to debian to install wine 1.7
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11:06<bolac>Hi all, I tried to create a deamon which start openerp with openerp user's right. I wrote USER=openerp in my /etc/init.openerp daemon but it try to start openerp as root (i have a error: Running as user root is a security risk, aborting). Do you know what i did wrong?
11:06<hakermania>blast007, yes, but will qt5 come to Wheezy as well? Or debian users have to wait Jessie to be realesed first in order to use qt5?
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11:10<Nemoder>hakermania: stable will not change except for small security updates. however backports provides some newer packages to stable
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11:11<hakermania>Nemoder, that is unfortunate. I guess it is being done for stability though. I will be downloading qt5 from the web then. Thanks :)
11:11<blast007>!tell jgcampbell300 about newer wine
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11:13<jgcampbell300>blast007, thanks
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11:17<jgcampbell300>i am wondering if i can use the ubuntu ppa ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa to install ... or if that would be a bad idea
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11:19<blast007>jgcampbell300: I would recommend against using any PPAs in Debian.
11:20<jgcampbell300>blast007, ok
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11:24<Bitcrush>Hello, I've installed a debian based distro (steamOS) and the boot loader (not sure which version of grub) is running at a frequency my monitor can't handle.
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11:27<mju>!steamOS
11:27<dpkg>SteamOS is an operating system released by Valve as a gaming platform, based on Debian 7 "Wheezy". It is not supported in #debian, support is available at http://support.steampowered.com/ . See <based on debian>.
11:28<Bitcrush>Okay, thanks anyway then.
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11:30<stormy98>dyfrgi: why would it be a werid query?
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11:39<jgcampbell300>so is sid really bugie ?
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11:40<lduros>hi, I've written the debian installer into a USB drive to install debian on a mac book pro retina display. Booting with it and refind works just fine but I can only do a minimal install because there's no ethernet, and the wifi requires brcm80211 (brcmsmac) which is available with debian nonfree. How can I go about adding the firm-brcm80211 deb to the installer so that i can use it to make a full debian install from the net?
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11:40<lduros>(what i have is netinstall in the usb drive, btw)
11:43<diederik>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware
11:43<lduros>thanks
11:44<diederik>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
11:44<lduros>diederik: do you know if i'll get prompted to connect to a wifi point?
11:44<lduros>i would think I need the wpa supplicant stuff in there too
11:44<lduros>not sure if that can work easily
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11:45<diederik>no idea. All my debian machine have a wired connection
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11:45<lduros>yeh, that's annoying not to have one :P
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11:46<diederik>my guess would be 'yes', but you'll have to try it to find out ;)
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11:47<lduros>hehe ok
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12:04<onryo>OK so the old should I put my non Debian static applications ie "Tor Bundle" under /opt or in /usr/local/bin . I only use main repos from Debian but I can make the exception for a much needed application if it is static.
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12:06<onryo>My emphisis is "I trust nothing" and feel safer not having someing in the root group like opt but is the staff group of the usr/local any better? Putting stuff in /home/xxx seems sloppy.
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12:10<mju>onryo: As long as your programs have no suid-bit set, belonging to the root group is even saver, because the only root can overwrite the program. (The folder would need to be owner by root and be not writeable.)
12:10<mju>Not sure if that makes a difference for you.
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12:13<onryo>Thx mju. That is what I was hopping to hear.
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12:18<mazze>In my small debian server, I exchanged my older 1TB disk with the new 4TB disk. After copying everything over finally being able to boot (damn GPT with this older mainboard), everything runs fine, except that the system experiences freezes a couple of times per minute, every time a couple of seconds. Even my shell echoing is hanging. How could I find out what is going on?
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12:19<onryo>mju thx I missed this detail and you are 100% right. /opt/ says "Pre-compiled, non ".deb" binary distribution (tar'ed..) goes here. "
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12:22<mju>onryo: I think you can basically put it where you want, if you are the only one using that system. The official debian packages should leave both directories alone. I was just making a remark about the ownership of the directory and files. I don't think there is a 'safer' or 'not so safe' place for a program, as long as only root could possibly modify it.
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12:31<onryo>lol, true true but my aspie side can be a real nag at times =P I use to just mkdir poopbox in my $HOME and dump all my static folders in there. After about 3 years I had a real mess in there.
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12:35<mazze>My debian box freezes for a couple of seconds a couple of times per minute, although I do not page out or anything. How could I find out?
12:37<Maulkin>mazze: Anything in "dmesg|tail" ?
12:37<Maulkin>mazze: And what do you mean by freezes?
12:38<mazze>Unfortunately, there is nothing visible in dmesg :(
12:38<onryo>mazze are you using blob graphic drivers?
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12:39<mazze>As for freezing, I mean that when I type on the shell, the echoing of characters just stops, and a couple of seconds later, all of those characters show up and things work normal again for a couple of 10ths of seconds.
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12:39<mazze>I don't think that I use blobs, as I don't use X anyway. It is just a headless server, but some kernel framebuffer might be used for the console
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12:42<valdyn>mazze: are you using a custom kernel?
12:42<mazze>no, stock debian
12:42<valdyn>mazze: the watchdog is enabled by default, but I think it only triggers at a lockup >= 120 seconds
12:43<onryo>weird and you see nothing in dmesg? What about in tail -f kern.log
12:43<valdyn>mazze: im sure thats configurable
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12:43<mazze>valdyn I used that server for years, and it always went fine, but just now I did exchange my old 1TB disk to a 4TB disk, and after having copied everything over, I finally got to boot the system. Now it is running just normal except this strange annoying behaviour.
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12:43<mazze>I would suppose that it might have to do with the new disk, but I would not know how to look at it ...
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12:44<mazze>onryo it is not that I do not see anything in dmesg, just nothing that would point to my problem
12:44<valdyn>Linux/Documentation/lockup-watchdogs.txt
12:44<klaus_>ciao a tutti
12:44<valdyn>mazze: you want to read that if this is really a system lockup and not just your network
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12:45<onryo>mazze I have heard of something like this before. Had to do with the way the 64 MB HDD buffer was zapping the SATA III.
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12:47<mju>mazze: How are you accessing the server. Could it be a network problem? Other random suggestion: run iotop and watch if you see something suspicious.
12:47<mazze>mju I was just thinking about that since onryo mentioned it. I will be looking into the network possibility.
12:48<mazze>onryo hm, but how would I find out about my SATA III HDD?
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12:50<mazze>Now I am not sure how to find out if it might be a networking problem :(
12:51<onryo>mazze I really am not sure how he fixed the issue. Was a guy I work with. I can ask him 2mRO though if you are around. Think he forced the HDD to stop acting like a hipster iPod and behave like an honest to God HDD should.
12:51<mazze>honest to God sound great :D
12:52<mazze>I actually would not like to bother somebody being prepared to give advice ...
12:52<mazze>maybe if I search for "hipster iPod HDD" in google I might find something there ...
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12:52<onryo>Hard to to even find a keyboard now of days that does not come with a World of Warcraft stickers and blinky lights.
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12:56<ectospasm>My Microsoft Natural Keyboard 4000 has tasteful, useful blinkenlights, and no WoW stickers
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13:03<onryo>ectospasm lol hate to admit this but I actually liked the feeling of the "MS natural keyboards". Last Windows I used was ... 95 and it was a while ago. The keyboard I got now I have had for about 10 years and there are no visible charters on it. Still going strong and we are good friends. Wife gave me a "UFO" on my birthday called a Logitech G19... wth is it I was thinking.
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13:06<ectospasm>I have two MS Natural Keyboard 4000s... one for home, and one for work. Got them about four years ago. I don't believe I will go back to a "standard" keyboard for daily use... these helped my RSI quite easily.
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13:07<ectospasm>Only on my laptop will I use the standard layout
13:07<ectospasm>for some reason there it doesn't bother me as much
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13:07<ectospasm>but then again I'm not using it for six+ hours a day
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13:08<SynrG>i don't see why anyone should "hate to admit" liking a microsoft hardware product. some of them are quite good.
13:08<sney>I have a pretty nice microsoft bluetooth mouse.
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13:08<SynrG>their behaviour as a software giant doesn't "taint" you for buying their hardware products :p
13:09<sney>it's probably just a strategic hate to admit, so as not to be mocked in a f/oss forum
13:09<sney>it wouldn't happen here but the sentiment is understandable
13:10<SynrG>i guess. anyway, sorry for that bit of OT :) carry on
13:10<sergiobenrocha2>hello
13:10<sney>hi
13:10<sergiobenrocha2>hi
13:10<onryo>I don't hate MicroSoft but I do not like the crap software they peddle. Bill at least always "keeps it real". Never said he was NOT a hardcore business man. Jobs oth more or less stuffed BSD into a box and called it his own. Then freaked out when others might have got half an idea from his stuff.
13:11<sergiobenrocha2>I use ubuntu, and f2fs-tools is outdate in both ubuntu and debian. I reported a bug in launchpad, and then a person say me to report in Debian, because f2fs-tools are in-sync
13:12<sergiobenrocha2>but i don't know how to report or request this in debian
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13:13<SamB>hmm, does reportbug allow reporting Debian bugs from Ubuntu systems?
13:13<sergiobenrocha2>i don't know
13:13<sergiobenrocha2>it's reportbug in debian, in ubuntu is ubuntu-bug
13:13<SamB>why would I be asking that of you?
13:13<sergiobenrocha2>?
13:14<SamB>I mean, I was hoping someone would pop up with the answer, and if somehow you did know that would be fine
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13:14<sergiobenrocha2>ok
13:14<sney>I would think it might
13:14<sney>,v f2fs-tools
13:14<judd>Package: f2fs-tools on i386 -- jessie: 1.1.0-3; sid: 1.1.0-3
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13:15<SynrG>i think ubuntu is just passing the buck. i wouldn't think most debian maintainers would be very warm to an ubuntu user complaining the debian version is out of date. but maybe that's just me.
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13:16<SynrG>if ubuntu cares to support their users on a later version than debian has, they could package it themselves, or help with the debian packaging of a later release.
13:16<onryo>sergiobenrocha2 could alway just build it git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/jaegeuk/f2fs-tools.git
13:16<sergiobenrocha2>well, i know that is strange...
13:16<SamB>I can't see any reason why that particular complaint/request would be treated any differently from an Ubuntu user
13:16<SamB>I mean it's clearly not Ubuntu's fault that the Debian version is not up-to-date
13:16<sergiobenrocha2>yes, i build it
13:17<SamB>SynrG: ubuntu doesn't care in this case
13:17<sergiobenrocha2>it's complicated...
13:17<sergiobenrocha2>but, the question is, i don't know how to report bug in debian...
13:18<sergiobenrocha2>normaly, you use what to report? reportbug?
13:18<SynrG>so you run a distribution that doesn't support the version of software you want to run? so sad. but isn't that their problem? i'm not being callous, just realistic. as a developer myself, i'm interested in what my users want, not what users of derivatives downstream want ...
13:18<SamB>sergiobenrocha2: well, how about this: run "reportbug --bts debian --severity wishlist f2fs-tools"
13:19<sergiobenrocha2>ok, thanks SamB
13:19<SamB>SynrG: it's only wishlist anyway
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13:19<sergiobenrocha2>yes, like launchpad
13:19<SynrG>i'm not saying i would dismiss it out of hand. it's just that i wouldn't give it priority.
13:19<SamB>well, sure, fine
13:20<sergiobenrocha2>yes, SynrG you are right
13:20<SamB>a lot of people don't seem to give these bugs priority regardless of source
13:20<SamB>perhaps with good reason
13:20<SynrG>and maybe i'm totally off the mark and this is just standard procedure for ubuntu to punt back "version too old" to debian. and maybe most developers don't care ...
13:20*SynrG shrugs
13:21<SamB>well, probably if it were a more interesting bug report they'd do some triage and report it in Debian themselves. I hope.
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13:21<SynrG>if a compelling case were made and i knew my debian users would benefit, i might give it notice.
13:21<sergiobenrocha2>SamB, yes, i think it is the default in ubuntu launchpad
13:22<SamB>but honestly I think this kind of report is the LEAST unwelcome to come directly from an Ubuntu user
13:22<onryo>Ubuntu normally just uses testing or even sid stuff and hope for the best. If enough ppl start bitching they might toss in a band-aid patch to mask/fix the issue.
13:22<SamB>assuming there's not an Ubuntu-caused reason for the desire
13:23<SamB>(As long as it's one of the directly-synched packages, I mean)
13:24<SamB>since it's not as if Ubuntu's changes elsewhere can have caused the package to be out of date
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13:24<SynrG>anyway, good luck.
13:25<SamB>sergiobenrocha2: any more questions?
13:25<sergiobenrocha2>no, thanks for all!
13:28<onryo>Have a good one sergio. Really nice to see ppl not pull the old cliché BOFH facade and actually be helpful and polite.
13:28<SamB>sergiobenrocha2: so you came up with a subject for the report okay?
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13:33<sergiobenrocha2>well, i send a message to launchpad...
13:33<sergiobenrocha2>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/f2fs-tools/+bug/1261173
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13:33<sergiobenrocha2>"Well, i don't use Debian, so... how can I do a request or report a bug, if I'm not a debian user?"
13:34<sergiobenrocha2>i think it is better...
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13:40<mazze>valdyn, onryo, I am quite sure now that this is a networking problem. And I got it solved already to some extent. Thank you for your valuable input and your help! :)
13:41<onryo>mazze glad we could be of any help if we were =)
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14:31<Schnabeltier>SynrG my ray of sunshine in the sea of dispair, please give me another idea how to try to install debian on the damn thing.
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14:44<SynrG>Schnabeltier: forgive me, i remember your nick, but not the details of your case.
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14:45<SynrG>Schnabeltier: there are also equally capable helpers here, so just address the channel, summarizing what you're trying to do, and what we've accomplished to date.
14:45<Schnabeltier>a wyse WT9450XE thinclient
14:45<SynrG>ah, right.
14:45<SynrG>the idea is to recycle it as a debian system, but you could not boot the installer on it.
14:46<Schnabeltier>that´s my man :D
14:46<SynrG>you had some sort of strangeness with a bootloader being added to an image by a third-party tool to make the installer image bootable
14:46<SynrG>i had theorized that your BIOS hates iso-hybrid images and suggested you use the "flexible way" to prepare a USB key yourself
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14:47<SynrG>Schnabeltier: and then what?
14:47<SynrG>also, we had thought perhaps a netboot would help in this situation but wanted to try our easier options first.
14:47<Schnabeltier>i got stuck at the final part, copying the files to the stic
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14:48<SynrG>ok. you have which files? (URL(s) please) and what size stick prepared how?
14:48<Schnabeltier>i even took the hdd out, inserted it in a laptop, installed debian, removed the hdd, inserted it in the hdd client, started, it started to boot, i could choose the kernel version and then stuck
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14:50<SynrG>it's beginning to sound like the bootloader is built into this thing somewhere else, not on the hdd where you're installing debian
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14:50<SynrG>on a flash drive or SD or CF card perhaps?
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14:50<Schnabeltier>i removed the flash drive already
14:51<SynrG>describe "i could choose the kernel version and then stuck" in more detail
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14:51<SynrG>maybe you failed to specify the initrd along with the kernel?
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14:52<Schnabeltier>there´s an console screen, where you can choose which kernel verion to boot or if you want to run memtest...
14:52<SynrG>ok
14:52<Schnabeltier>i don´t know what it´s called.
14:52<SynrG>sounds like grub menu
14:52<Schnabeltier>yeah
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14:53<SynrG>it's conceivable the drive is identified differently in this system than in the laptop where you installed debian. if so, do you know how to edit the boot parameters to change where it thinks things are?
14:54<SynrG>and i still need a description of "stuck"
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14:56<Schnabeltier>description of stuck: after "something with initalizing ramdisk the screen when´s lank with a small blinking cursor
14:57<Schnabeltier>not cursor, blinking line
14:57<Schnabeltier>which doensn´t respond on keyboard commands
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14:58<SynrG>Schnabeltier: i see. probably it tries to force a particular vga mode
14:58<SynrG>which the thin client hates
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14:58<SynrG>maybe ...
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14:59<SynrG>is the display corrupted, or the "blinking line" resemble a cursor?
14:59<SynrG>i.e. one character wide, at the baseline
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15:00<Schnabeltier>no no no, cursor was the wrong description
15:00<Schnabeltier>like the blinking line at the end of the inputarea of an text editor
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15:01<SynrG>that would be a cursor too, just a different kind
15:01<SynrG>or wider than that?
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15:01<Schnabeltier>nope, standart type
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15:05<SynrG>Schnabeltier: are you booting without the 'quiet' parameter?
15:05<SynrG>Schnabeltier: this goes back to my first question. do you know how to edit boot parameters?
15:07<Schnabeltier>this woule be like interupting grub and edit the boot options right?
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15:07<SynrG>Schnabeltier: grub should have installed a pair of boot entries. the first of those with 'quiet' and the second without. the second may be more informative.
15:07<SynrG>but separately from that, yes, there is a way to edit boot parameters (keystroke is shown with the menu)
15:08<Schnabeltier>http://www.vidup.de/v/Tcabo/ <-- i made a video of the boot process...
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15:09<SynrG>if i could get the player to work, that would be super
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15:10<SynrG>got it now
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15:12<SynrG>Schnabeltier: so, that definitely looks like the grub that debian wheezy would install
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15:13<SynrG>Schnabeltier: the menu looks a bit whacked :/
15:13<Schnabeltier>that occurs every 5th boot
15:13<Schnabeltier>the other time the menu looks normal
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15:14<SynrG>fun
15:15<SynrG>Schnabeltier: i would love to be able to read the messages at 00:24
15:15<SynrG>Schnabeltier: that weird flash at 00:27 *might* be an attempt to switch video modes
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15:16<ted>q
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15:16<Schnabeltier>"linux <ver number> wird geladen"
15:17<Schnabeltier>"initale ramdisk wird geladen"
15:17<Schnabeltier>wird geladen means getting loaded
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15:19<SynrG>Schnabeltier: so, if you see there are two entries per kernel, the second one labeled "(rescue)" or something simliar at the end ...
15:19<SynrG>and then select the second one, maybe it would be more verbose.
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15:19<SynrG>Schnabeltier: failing that, we can try poking at it a bit more through editing the boot prompt
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15:20<Schnabeltier>there´s only one entry, so poking around shall it be
15:20<SynrG>oh? hmm. no others concealed there?
15:20<silveraugmentation>hi
15:20<SynrG>under a submenu or so?
15:22<Schnabeltier>nope
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15:24<SynrG>anyway, you can press "e" to edit the one line that you can see and find the line with "linux" on it
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15:24<SynrG>and remove "quiet" from the end
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15:24<SynrG>Schnabeltier: this is from memory so correct me if you're seeing something different from what i expect :)
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15:25<SynrG>Schnabeltier: after booting, i expected you to see something like:
15:25<SynrG>http://i0.wp.com/www.debian-tutorials.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/w1222.png
15:26<SynrG>the second line "(recovery mode)" was what i was after
15:26<SynrG>but if for some reason you don't have that, we can manage without it
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15:26<Schnabeltier>a got it, found the another entry "recovery mode"
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15:27<Schnabeltier>but leads to the same result, blinking line
15:27<SynrG>ok. and nothing more informative in the way of messages?
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15:28<SynrG>Schnabeltier: incidentally, what is the kernel suffix? -i386?
15:28<SynrG>(i would not expect -amd64 support in such an old system)
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15:30<av0ch>Hello
15:30<Schnabeltier>debian gnu/linux with linux 3.2.0-4-486 (recovery mode)
15:30<silveraugmentation>hello
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15:31<SynrG>Schnabeltier: ok. good
15:31<SynrG>that's right, the -486 flavor kernel
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15:33<Schnabeltier>ftp://goniwa.no-ip.biz/interruptedgrub.jpg
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15:34<SynrG>Schnabeltier: right, you can find the line that starts "linux" and edit that (go to the end of the line) and change anything we want to experiment with there.
15:34<SynrG>Schnabeltier: and press ctrl-x to boot after we edit that
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15:35<SynrG>i'm unsure of which parameters to try first. one of them is: noapic
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15:36<SynrG>Schnabeltier: is that some non-standard display? another would be to find any vga=### parameter and remove it
15:36<SynrG>Schnabeltier: as i said, it could be attempting to choose an invalid video mode for your display
15:36<SynrG>i think it tries 800x600, which virtually every modern display supports
15:37<Schnabeltier>its an tv with vga input...
15:37<Schnabeltier>not excactly an vga display, i think
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15:38<Schnabeltier>okay so it have to look like "linux noapic /boot/..." ?
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15:39<SynrG>Schnabeltier: no
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15:40<SynrG>Schnabeltier: look back 6 or 7 lines :) "(go to the end of the line)"
15:40<SynrG>don't insert into the middle
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15:42<Schnabeltier>noapic didn´t work, still the blinking line
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15:43<SynrG>Schnabeltier: hm, and i don't suppose there's a vga= parameter there (iirc only the installer has this)
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15:45<SynrG>i wonder if the processor simply isn't supported by this kernel
15:46<Schnabeltier>that would be the most logical solution
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15:46<SynrG>i don't know what processor it is. i've lost the detailed specs i had before that had that info
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15:48*Sicelo would doubt it's processor-related
15:48<SynrG>Sicelo: it's a 10+ year old "fat" thin client ...
15:48<SynrG>Sicelo: it ran Windows XP Embedded
15:48<SynrG>Sicelo: still have a doubt?
15:49<SynrG>wyse WT9450XE
15:49<SynrG>http://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/wyse/9450xe/
15:50<SynrG>"VIA C3 Samuel 2 550MHz"
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15:51<Sicelo>so the problem exists even if you don't go to graphical console?
15:52<amphi>ah, the 'Trident Blade' - long since I dealt with one of them ;)
15:52<SynrG>from what i've read, a 486 kernel should be fine for this processor.
15:52<SynrG>however, i don't have any evidence of that from any later than lenny or so
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15:53<amphi>video you cards of that era had particularly foolish names - I also had an S3 'Savage'
15:53<Sicelo>i still have a venturis pc from 199x. it runs a 3.x kernel, but of course, the graphic just don't work
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15:54<SynrG>so, any ideas? we have Schnabeltier to the point where he knows how to boot to grub prompt and edit kernel parameters ...
15:54<Schnabeltier>i don´t need fancy graphic, console is enough
15:54<SynrG>anything other than noapic to try?
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15:55<SynrG>doesn't get very far in the boot. kernel & initrd loading messages, and then flashes something briefly on the screen, then freezes, with blinking underscore cursor and completely unresponsive after that.
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15:55<SynrG>the screen is otherwise blank. just a blinking cursor in the upper left corner.
15:56<SamB>Schnabeltier: you can use fbcon for nothing but text, btw
15:56<SamB>I mean, if that works
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15:56<Schnabeltier>fbcon?
15:56<amphi>SynrG: it's not kernel mode switching?
15:57<SamB>Schnabeltier: did you try 640x480
15:58<SynrG>could be kms. we can suppress that? i forget how
15:58<SynrG>SamB: i think it handles much higher than that
15:58<Schnabeltier>dunno how samb
15:58<SynrG>from the specs i read, at least 1024x768 and higher, too
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15:59<SynrG>SamB: again: http://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/wyse/9450xe/ says 1024 x 768 @ 32-bit colour
16:00<SamB>hmm
16:00<SamB>sorry, I thought I heard "TV" and was thus thinking NTSC
16:00<SynrG>Schnabeltier: try booting it with: nomodeset
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16:01<SynrG>Schnabeltier: just to make absolutely sure, you append a blank, and then the parameter, right?
16:01*SamB is leaving anyway
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16:02<Schnabeltier>a space you mean?
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16:03<Schnabeltier>and nomodeset gave me a screen full of white dot´s forming underscrore lines
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16:07<SynrG>Schnabeltier: that's new … any more than those two messages though? or less?
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16:12<Schnabeltier>nope, nothing more
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16:12<SynrG>hmm
16:12<SynrG>so, that's a dead end
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16:14<Schnabeltier>http://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/wyse/9450xe/Linux.shtml <-- seems to be my only solution
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16:14<Schnabeltier>some creepy linux called tiny core...
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16:15<SynrG>i haven't given up :)
16:15<Schnabeltier>okay, what to try next?
16:16<SynrG>i still have questions i don't know how to answer. why aren't the kernel messages starting right after that? what is supposed to happen next in the boot process after the last two messages we see? i don't have that intimate knowledge of the boot process.
16:16<SynrG>so i continue to search until i understand it
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16:17<Schnabeltier>any way to share the vga output over internet?
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16:18<SynrG>without special hardware? i can't think
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16:18<SynrG>there's serial console ...
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16:18<Schnabeltier>i don´t have any special connector for that
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16:21<SynrG>Schnabeltier: join #debian-kernel with me
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16:52<nino>strange issue with kvm and vnc connection after I allowed 5900 for localhost I can access and it works again
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17:11<petn-randall>nino: You shouldn't firewall the loopback interface, anyway ...
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17:11<petn-randall>nino: I consider it bad practice.
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17:12<nino>well it is a bug
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17:12<petn-randall>nino: How is that a bug?
17:13<nino>no connection to hypervisor appered after change to bridge
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17:14<nino>before used NAT and no issue to connect to localhost:5900 without any rule
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17:14<nino>now I need to run something like
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17:14<nino>iptables -A INPUT -s 127.0.0.1 -d 127.0.0.1 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5900 -j ACCEPT
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17:22<petn-randall>nino: Sounds like a configuration problem of your firewall to me.
17:22<petn-randall>nino: If you're firewalling on the loopback interface, you'll run into a lot more problems than just this one.
17:22<nino>petn-randall, arggggghhhh u are right somehow I removed -A INPUT -i lo -J ACCEPT
17:23<petn-randall>:)
17:23<nino>petn-randall, thans :(
17:23<nino>*thanks
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17:23<petn-randall>nino: Sometimes it just take a little nudge in the right direction. You're welcome :)
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17:26<DeepBlue>here is the connection information , http://i.imgur.com/TduBKxr.png , what to fill in hostname? and domain name?
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17:37<noobzonite>Hello all !! I can't seem to change my Xorg file cause I got none !! All i need right now is to extend the image to my 2 monitors .. any ideas ??
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17:40<petn-randall>noobzonite: If you don't have one, it will auto-detect everything for you. You don't need one to use two monitors, most desktop environments come with a settings menu to configure that.
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17:46<babilen>dpkg: tell noobzonite -about empty xorg.conf
17:46<babilen>dpkg: tell noobzonite -about xorg.conf.d
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17:46<lowjoe>this is what i Get when i try to extend them :
17:46<lowjoe>requested position/size for CRTC 63 is outside the allowed limit: position=(1280, 0), size=(1680, 1050), maximum=(1920, 1920)
17:46<lowjoe>and this
17:46<lowjoe>GDBus.Error:org.gtk.GDBus.UnmappedGError.Quark._gnome_2drr_2derror_2dquark.Code3: requested position/size for CRTC 63 is outside the allowed limit: position=(1280, 0), size=(1680, 1050), maximum=(1920, 1920)
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17:47<babilen>noobzonite: It is also quite typicaly to use xrandr to configure your screen setup if you happen to change it quite often. If you always want the same setup it would make sense to "hard-code" it :)
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17:48<noobzonite>I don't intend on changing a thing after I got the image extended on both
17:48<noobzonite>as soon as they are both @ 1280 x 1024 that's super for me
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17:50<noobzonite><babilen>: How can I do that ?
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17:51<petn-randall>noobzonite: Which desktop environment are you running? There should be setting for that.
17:52<noobzonite>gnm3
17:52<noobzonite>gdm3*
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17:53<petn-randall>noobzonite: That's a desktop manager. I assume you're running gnome?
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17:56<noobzonite>petn-randall: sorry yes that's it
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18:03<teward>there's a bug on the BTS that's against a package, but not the source package, is there a way to tell the BTS that it affects the source package and not the specifically-specified binary package?
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18:08<noobzonite>petn-randall: If I try to change to extended image rather than mirrored I get that error above or both monitors crash and I got to reset X
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18:24<noobzonite>Will it help to say I got a Gnome error message when I start X ?
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18:34<petn-randall>teward: Which bug is that?
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18:35<teward>petn-randall, an nginx bug, 732330, but I found the 'reassign' command, which might do what i need it to do.
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18:44<teward>petn-randall, well, reassign does what i need it to do, it'd help if I typed bug numbers right... >.<
18:44*teward blames human error for typos, and attempts to fix
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18:52<noobzonite>Sorry for logging off but every time i touch on my display settings the monitors either shutdown or it gives me the error above ... any other suggestions to extend the image to my 2 monitors ?
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18:53<petn-randall>noobzonite: Can you paste the error message to http://paste.debian.net? It seems you forgot to paste it.
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19:00<noobzonite>petn-randall: the first and second error - http://paste.debian.net/71288 and http://paste.debian.net/71287
19:02<noobzonite>petn-randall: when I try to extend them while on max resolution which is 1680x1050 it will crash X but in 1280 it will only crash one of the monitors ... and then I have to revert it back to what it was
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19:08<noobzonite>crashed again damn it
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19:19<noobzonite>petn-randall: could you see the pastes @ paste.debian ??
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19:45<william>how do I install http://packages.debian.org/testing/cgminer ? I can't get it with apt-get
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19:45<sney>you would have to be using testing
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19:45<sney>,checkbackport cgminer
19:45<william>I am
19:45<judd>Backporting package cgminer in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy.
19:46<sney>!bat
19:46<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
19:46<william>I am using Jessie
19:46<sney>please provide the information dpkg just listed
19:47<william>apt-get install cgminer says unable to locate package
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19:47<sney>what's the output of 'apt-cache policy cgminer'
19:48<william>N: Unable to locate package cgminer
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19:48<themill>william: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" for us? and your sources.list?
19:50<william>oh I'm sorry. This one is Debian 7.
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19:50<william>Sorry about that :( Mixed it up with another box.
19:50<sney>that's okay. if only they were all that easy
19:51<william>Is that the best bet for bitcoin? I see there was a bitcoind and there will be a cgminer and nothing for Debian 7?
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19:52<teward>william, mind if I make a suggestion?
19:52<william>please
19:52<teward>william, compile your bitcoin miners from source code.
19:52<william>I tried. I need so many dependencies..
19:52<teward>william, i know i don't use Debian, but I've found it most effective to just compile from source, in any Debian or Debian-derivative
19:53<teward>william, they're usually well documented, and not hard to install.
19:53<teward>... well, unless they aren't in that Debian release nor the backports, which becomes a bit more of an issue.
19:54<william>How about a ppa? How does this work for Debian 7? https://launchpad.net/~bitcoin/+archive/bitcoin Also I did try the backport from Debian 6 for bitcoind, but it didn't install the needed dependencies like boost.
19:54<teward>william, that's Ubuntu only...
19:54<teward>william, PPAs are dependent on all of Ubuntu's stuff, and last I checked there's no resolution on a wishlist item to add Debian chroot building support on the Ubuntu PPA builders.
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19:55<william>On my Debian 8 I have this for my Netflix to work: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ehoover/compholio/ubuntu raring main
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19:56<william>I think that one is for the wine stuff.
19:56<themill>PPAs and Debian installations don't often go nicely together.
19:56<teward>william, yeah that is, you could in *theory* use the PPA for bitcoin stuff in Debian, but... I personally wouldn't chance that, even on sid
19:56<teward>william, Ubuntu PPAs and Debian don't play nice
19:56<teward>except in *very* rare cases
19:57<teward>if you want to use Ubuntu PPAs, use Ubuntu, and not Debian, if you want near-issue-free integration
19:57<william>This is a virtual machine and I made the latest Ubuntu template, so could go that route.
19:57<william>I just wanted to stick with Debian for this. Not big reason, though.
19:58<teward>william, mind if I ask you, did you do an apt-get update yet?
19:58<teward>because it may just be your apt repos don't have it because E: Not Recently Updated
19:58<william>Seems so much stuff is Ubuntu and I want Debian because that is what Ubuntu is based off of:)
19:58<amphi>william: why not run testing on the VM ?
19:59<william>It is basically bare, so I could upgrade it easily enough.
19:59<sney>william, cgminer can be safely backported from sid. so that's another option
19:59<teward>I hate to detract from Debian, william, but Ubuntu usually runs newer than Debian, they usually pull from unstable in a lot of cases... not testing. (although, cgminer is in testing)
19:59<william>Just update sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade?
19:59<teward>sney, cgminer *is* in testing according to packages.qa.debian.org
19:59<teward>(my first thought was william's repo information is out of date)
20:00<sney>teward, yes, though he said he also has a wheezy machine, and that's the one he's intending to mine on? or did I miss something?
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20:00<teward>sney, i missed that i think, but he just said he was on testing
20:00*teward shrugs
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20:00<teward>sney, http://paste.debian.net/71296/ <-- i think
20:01<sney>teward, yeah. keep going and he realizes he's on his stable machine
20:01<teward>ahhhh
20:01<teward>sney, that i missed
20:01<sney>^^
20:01<teward>sney, i apologize :)
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20:01<teward>my bad
20:03<william>Sorry I am on stable and thought it was testing because that is what I am using on something else. But I can upgrade completely to testing or I could add testing just for cgminer...
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20:04<sney>william, don't just add the testing repo. that will break your install.
20:04<william>I did that on my testing with the sid iceweasel 25...
20:04<teward>william, if you're going to go that route, just upgrade to testing
20:04<william>sney: sounds like a plan.
20:04<sney>testing and unstable can be mixed freely for most of the development cycle, but nothing should be mixed with stable except backports
20:05<william>ok let me update my sources and pastebin it for you to review.
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20:05<sney>what you CAN do is add a deb-src line for sid, then 'apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep cgminer; apt-get -b source cgminer' and it'll just build you a cgminer package for stable
20:06<sney>that's what I would recommend, tbh
20:06<william>so you can add stuff from sid to stable but not recommended to do testing?
20:06<sney>nono
20:06<sney>you can build some packages for stable from the sid sources.
20:06<sney>that's what those commands do
20:07<sney>it can be done from the testing sources, too, but it's generally done from sid sources
20:07<themill>william: "deb-src" not "deb" in your sources.list
20:07<sney>^ very important
20:07<william>ok let me try it out. New to me anyway so good to learn.
20:07<sney>feel free to pastebin your sources.list first
20:08<william>http://pastie.org/8557104 just added the last line
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20:10<sney>looks fine to me. remember to apt-get update
20:10<william>ok already had build-essential from trying to build the source before:)
20:11<william>so you assume that stable has all the needed dependencies?
20:11<william>It is installing them now, but is that always the case?
20:12<sney>not always. do you see back in the chatlog when I did a command that began with ',checkbackport'
20:12<sney>some packages can be built with stable dependencies, others can't. the channel bot 'judd' knows
20:13<william>and why do I need to build from source? Is it because the already compiled packages are more specific on dependency versions?
20:13<sney>pretty much
20:14<sney>stable and testing are already quite distant from each other
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20:14<sney>and that gap will only grow as the testing cycle continues
20:15<william>testing is quite brutal haha
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20:15<william>I have it on my "home theater" pc for watching netflix. Updates are massive.
20:15<themill>The compiled cgminer package in jessie depends on a newer libc6 than what you have
20:15<sney>yep. it's lots of work creating a new debian stable release
20:15<william>themill: it seems to have installed properly
20:16<william>about to go through a how to
20:16<sney>the compilation and package install finished already? heh, I suppose it must be a fast machine if you're going to be mining on it
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20:17<william>I have a server in a data center amd opteron, but only gave it 1 vcpu and no gpu so probably will be pretty slow.
20:17<william>but that is what I want to know:)
20:18<william>at $1000 per bitcoin and people having broken even at $100 per bitcoin I thought hey may as well see what I can do with spare cycles.
20:19<william>sney: after compiling do I have to move the binary?
20:19<sney>after compiling, apt will spit out a .deb package that you can install normally
20:20<william>ah ok:)
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20:20<sney>and then the cgminer program will be in your PATH just like anything else
20:20<william>just deb -i?
20:20<teward>william, wait, you're using a VPS for mining?
20:20<sney>dpkg -i
20:20<dpkg>sney: I don't know, could you explain it?
20:21<teward>or some virtual server?
20:21*sney thwaps the bot
20:21<william>teward: well it is my server.
20:21<teward>william, do you pay for the server or do you actually own the server
20:21<william>teward: but yes trying it on 1 VPS, Xen
20:21<william>I own the server and rent the 1U in the datacenter.
20:21<teward>because if you personally don't own the server, there may be issues running a bitcoin miner there.
20:21<sney>the convention for people with non-asic hardware seems to be mining easier coins like ltc or ftc, and then trading them for bitcoins. it's all offtopic for #debian though
20:21<teward>ah, okay, was making sure :P
20:21<william>I built it in my house and drove it up there
20:22<teward>sney, it's on topic over on #bitcoin or #bitcoin-mining on freenode though, if he wants to really pursue that discussion
20:22<teward>well... #bitcoin-offtopic over there about ltc or ftc, still
20:22<teward>william, purely curious, now...
20:22<sney>right, or #coins in... another place
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20:22<teward>well...
20:22<sney>but on this network it's #debian-offtopic in case someone wanders in needing debian support. old rules
20:22<teward>hmm... maybe if you end up in #debian-offtopic i'll ask you william
20:23<teward>well, priv works too
20:24<sney>(but then I don't get to see :( )
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20:27<teward>sney, curiosity about his use-case of the cgminer, as well as trying to discourage him from wasting extra cycles and power usage
20:27<teward>(GPU and CPU mining are 100% obsolete except on bitcoin testnet, and even with altcoins, you're making dust by CPU alone, and you can't withdraw dust on mining pools)
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20:29<william>what package contains deb?
20:29<teward>william, eh?
20:30<william>-bash: deb: command not found
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20:33<william>any ideas why deb isn't found?
20:34<william>oh it is dpkg:)
20:35<babilen>william: There is no progrom of that name
20:35<william>I have used it before lol
20:35<babilen>Well, there is dpkg, but not "deb"
20:35<william>:)
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20:38<william>when I run cgminer --help I get: libusb_init() failed err -99 [2013-12-16 20:40:50] libusb_init() failed
20:38<william>This is on a Xen domu, so it doesn't have usb access...
20:42<teward>william, install libusb then
20:42<teward>a version that works with it at least
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20:46<elm4x>hi, I have a problem in my printer. all the pictures you send print it prints the text URGENT diagonally across the image, it only happens with images and photos
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20:47<elm4x>hi, I have a problem in my printer. all the pictures you send print it prints the text URGENT diagonally across the image, it only happens with images and photos
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20:51<babilen>elm4x: I'm off to bed now, but I have to congratulate you. I *love* your problem and think that it is hilarious.
20:51<babilen>(I'm sure you find it distressing and obnoxious, so you also have my empathy -- all the best!)
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20:56<elm4x><babilen>it is very strange. only in photos the text "urgent" appears
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20:57<FREYMAR>hola
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20:57<FREYMAR>hola
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23:18<Offcast>hello everybody
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23:42<hyden>permisi, ada yang pernah konfig suricata IDS?
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23:48<jerryclunsford>How can I get wheezy to work on server that does not have graphic acceleration. After boot the screen is a jumble.
23:52<acald3ron>banshee wond play music !
23:53<jerryclunsford>I have a HP Proliant DL360 after upgrading from lenny to wheezy I got a scrambled screen and a message about no graphic acceleration and need to run GDM in legacy mode.
23:54<LtL>jerryclunsford: you can't skip releases, lenny to squeeze then wheezy
23:54<jerryclunsford>Sorry Brain damage I was running Squeeze
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23:56<jerryclunsford>Does GDM 3 require hardware graphic acceleration? I believe that is what it was saying.
23:56<LtL>jerryclunsford: i believe it does yes, gnome3 requires it afaik
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23:58<jerryclunsford>Any way to make wheezy work without it I don't really want to put a graphics acceleration card in a computer that is just a server.
23:59<jerryclunsford>Don't have room either
23:59<LtL>jerryclunsford: why do you need a GUI on a server
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