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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-12-17

---Logopened Tue Dec 17 00:00:35 2013
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00:00<jerryclunsford>I have to make change on the server locally. not through network
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00:03<jerryclunsford>I guess I'll look into KDM or another linux distro, Shame been using Debian on it for a few years.
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00:05<LtL>jerryclunsford: im sure theres a way, i just dont know what to tell you
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00:06<jerryclunsford>It said something on boot about legacy mode but did not enter it just got a jumbled screen. I will look at GDM 3 about legacy mode again and see If I can find anything this time.
00:08<jerryclunsford>I will try the gnome channel thank you for your time.
00:08<LtL>jerryclunsford: you should find something on the wiki
00:09<jerryclunsford>I will look thanks.
00:10<SamB>jerryclunsford: you know it's possible to make changes on the command line, or even use graphical programs without an entire desktop environment
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00:12<jerryclunsford>I prefer it as I am not at perfectly at home working with command line. Unfortunately window for too long.
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00:14<jerryclunsford>I tried linux probably 17 years ago and it was too much to learn for me at the time. I went the easy route with windows.
00:15<jerryclunsford>Well once again thank you for your time and have a nice night or whatever it is for you.
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03:33<ixi>libapache2-mod-rpaf is affected by in wheezy, and it seems to be a regression from squeeze
03:34<ixi>workaround from #10 fixes it, but still a bug
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04:34<Testuser>I am looking for expert advise to setup a secure linux installation, I can pay a fee via PayPal
04:34<peter_>echo hello
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04:35<Testuser>can Tails be used without Tor?
04:35<dpkg>Tails (The Amnesic Incognito Live System) is a live DVD/USB <based on Debian>, with the aim of preserving privacy and anonymity. It is not supported in #debian. #tails on
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04:37<holden87>Hey Debian users, i just have one question regarding chromium browser. Does it get updated through official debian repos?
04:38<holden87>Or was there an esr of some sort that will stay through most of the Wheezy's life cycle?
04:38<txt-file1>holden87: the security team updates chromium
04:39<txt-file1>or maybe it is even in the normal repository
04:39<SynrG>is your question really, is there an equivalent to for chromium? please note that is a developer-run service but not part of debian's repositories
04:40<holden87>txt-file1: so you get newer versions through the lifecycle of Wheezy? SynrG: Yes, something like that. But i installed chromium from synaptic, and the version seems to be (almost) current, or somewhere near that...
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04:40<SynrG>no, you don't get newer versions throughout wheezy
04:41<SynrG>not from the main repo
04:41<SynrG>just like any other piece of software, including iceweasel. however, for some software there are backports at
04:41<SynrG>there doesn't happen to be a chromium backport. i assume this is because it's too hard
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04:43<holden87>thanks SynrG: for clearing that out for me, much obliged ;)
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04:43<Testuser>a full debian 7 live CD does not recognize Wifi (Sony Vaio) while Tails does
04:43<Testuser>is this normal?
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04:44<SynrG>holden87: security uploads typically are not new versions, but are old versions with patches for each issue
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04:44<jm_>Testuser: typically yes
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04:44<marko>good morning
04:44<jm_>but we don't know about Tails
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04:44<Testuser>is there a super secure distro like Tails, without Tor?
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04:45<Guest382>just installed Debian on my pc last night
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04:45<Guest382>it is really fast even with gnome 3
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04:51<Guest382>Debian people are not Chatty
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04:54<ObrienDave>if you want chatty go to #debian-offtopic
04:55<txt-file1>SynrG: but says that we currently get version 31
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04:56<Guest382>oh sorry for spam
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04:58<azyr>could someone recommend a good printer with nice linux driver support?
04:58<azyr>is some manufacturer above others in terms of linux support?
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04:59<holden87>Let me try here, seems there's more people. So i heard the fan on my laptop going crazy, and i checked sys.monitor, and it says gnome-shell is eating like 180% of my CPU. Here's the dmesg output: anyone know what could be the problem or my next step?
05:00<gry>i use Brother printer and they have linux drivers but i never tried them
05:00<holden87>+ it seems i have two gnome-shell processes going on...
05:00<bhuddah>kill them?
05:00<bhuddah>why not?
05:01<holden87>Didn't know what the consequences would be
05:01<holden87>try it now and will post results
05:01<bhuddah>closed windows...
05:01<jm_>in general postscript printers are the easiest to get working
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05:02<azyr>DNS: ok thank you
05:02<Zap-W>how come ssh ansi colors connection from putty look different from console
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05:02<gry>from what console
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05:04<Zap-W>gry: tty1
05:04<holden87>back. So when i killed the gnome-shell process that was eating up all of my cpu, everything was normal, also the CPU value. When i tried to kill the remaining process, the shell froze. So i had to ctrl-alt-f1 and root and gdm3 restart.
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05:04<Zap-W>login from tty1 colors look brigther, login from a remote machine via putty colors look too dark
05:04<gry>Zap-W, may be of interest then
05:04<azyr>any printers that have support printing/scanning using wifi that works on linux?
05:04<holden87>now everything seems to be in order, but does anyone know why two gnome-shell processes were working?
05:04<bhuddah>holden87: so the second shell you killed was the one you actually used ^^
05:05<holden87>seems to be so bhuddah:
05:05<holden87>the first one was just eating up my CPU and overheating my computer
05:05<holden87>but i don't know how it got there
05:05<bhuddah>holden87: graphic shells suck cpu from time to time. or suck in general ^^
05:06<holden87>bhuddah: i hated gnome-shell and used mostly xfce, but i gave it a serious go with wheezy, and once acustomed, i must say i love it :)
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05:07<Zap-W>gry: found it!
05:07<holden87>And the computer should be strong enough to process it without many glitches
05:07<Zap-W>indicate bolded text by changing from The font to The colour
05:07<gry>Zap-W, in putty settings right
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07:24<anna>I'd like to create a debian live cd from an .iso image
07:24<anna>can i just do
07:25<anna>dd if=/path/to/debian_live.iso of=/dev/sdb1
07:25<anna>where /dev/sdb1 is a fat16 formatted pendrive
07:25<anna>ah sorry, I want debian live USB not a CD
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07:26<jm_>you'll want /dev/sdb and make sure it's the right device name
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07:27<anna>jm_, I see, this is a "hybrid" iso, so I guess the dd command will overwrite the default partitioning on the usb drive ?
07:28<jm_>anna: indeed
07:28<anna>jm_, I see, thank you!
07:28<jm_>anna: no worries
07:29<petn-randall>Hello Eryn_1983_FL, do you have a support question?
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07:30<babilen>anna: I also wouldn't recommend to use dd as cp is easier to use and faster (as compared to the command you use) -- The command would therefore be "cp the-debian-image.iso /dev/sdb ; sync"
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07:31<babilen>anna: You can, naturally, use dd, but I would recommend to use a larger blocksize than the default. Use "bs=1M" (or 4M or so), but then dd has such a weird syntax and cp scales the blocksize automatically.
07:31<babilen>(and then there is dcfldd which is the more powerful alternative to dd)
07:32<anna>babilen, I see. I have executed dd already, but I'll keep that in mind in case something goes wrong
07:33<babilen>anna: The result should be identical - It is simply that I personally find cp much easier to use than dd (no if=... of=...), you simply don't need its features (such as copying "five blocks of size foo with an offset of bar") and its default blocksize is suboptimal for large amounts of data.
07:34<babilen>And then I am too fond of dcfldd ever since it has been pointed out to me to use dd even if I need its features ;)
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07:36<anna>babilen, I too use cp for everything else, it's just some example I found on stack overflow which had this. I assumed there's something magical with dd being able to copy the raw image instead of just the .iso file. Thanks for the advice :)
07:37<Stummi>you could also do 'cat debian_live.iso > /dev/sdb1'
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07:39<Stummi>the problem with dd is it only reads, then writes, then reads, etc... Which wastes time, especially if you are writing to another device as you are reading from. It would be more clever to read the next block already while writing the first one
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07:40<babilen>anna: dd is not special at all, data is data and everything is a file. What dd allows you to do is, for example, to copy specific blocks of data that you can define quite nicely. (e.g. MBR backup with "dd if=/dev/sda of=/path/to/mbr.backup bs=512 count=1"
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07:45<anna>Well, the usb boots nicely, thank for help
07:46<anna>it's actually pretty fast too
07:46<anna>I guess I can't install anything from apt-get on that "hybrid" os ?
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07:49<jm_>don't think that's possible but you can rebuild live images with your packages included
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07:52<babilen>anna: hybrid?
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07:53<babilen>anna: You might want to take a look at -- but you can also install Debian "normally" to a usb drive.
07:53<petn-randall>anna: It's just an iso image. So even if you can install anything while booted from it, it will only persist until the next reboot.
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07:56<Guest407>i installed gnome3 version without a problem
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08:14<sda>hi all, I would like to be able to connect to my desktop with another device (another desktop, laptop, tablet) and be able to choose what resolution use, and be able to connect multiple user at the same time. VNC is not good for do that, any idea?
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08:45<simNIX>sda ; not sure if it fits but maybe test italc ? (eventhough its more for multiple dekstop to manage)
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08:48<slicky>yes, she left
08:48<slicky> was my guess
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08:49<simNIX>nice and light sugestion - apreciated
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08:53<anna>I have just installed debian 7.2 and set /home partition to mount without formatting. During the installation I have created a user with the same name as the one the /home partition I have used previously
08:53<anna>this is debian with xfce. After typing the login and password, I am almost instantly reverted back to the login screen
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08:54<anna>when i switch to a different terminal using Ctrl-Alt-F1 I can login just fine
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08:54<anna>Any idea what could go wrong ?
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09:00<petn-randall>anna: Do the permissions of the home say that it belongs to the user?
09:00<petn-randall>anna: Check the logfiles for clues why it failed.
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09:00<anna>petn-randall, That's probably it
09:01<rhsaumt>Hi. I got a few new pandaboards. Can debian be installed on them? If yes is there a guide to doing so? If yes, where can I find such a guide?
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09:04<anna>petn-randall, Close call, I had to give chmod 777 on /home/myuser/.Xauthority
09:04<rhsaumt>Maulkin: that guide looks like abandoned work-in-progress, surely there must be something more complete (and step-by-step), no?
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09:07<Maulkin>rhsaumt: Google may know :)
09:08<rhsaumt>Google's telling me that I should abandon my noble goal of installing debian on it and just use the prebuild ubuntu image (yuck!)
09:08<rhsaumt>that's the short version
09:09<Maulkin>rhsaumt: perhaps?
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09:09<petn-randall>anna: You should *never* need to give 777 permissions to anything, except /tmp.
09:09<Maulkin>rhsaumt: That seems quite up to date
09:10<petn-randall>anna: if you do 'ls -al /home/myuser/.Xauthority', what's the output?
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09:10<rhsaumt>Maulkin: I am very new to all this, are the guides for installing debian somewhat interchangeable between various dev boards?
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09:14<Maulkin>rhsaumt: I have no idea I'm afraid. That elinux page seems to be useful, and has a nice help section for more info
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09:28<anna>petn-randall, ah, it was root user who owned it. I changed ownership to myself
09:28<anna>I agree with what you said
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09:34<rhsaumt>I am a bit worried about this, the guide is telling me to use some git sources from some random guy on the internet... I'd rather use official debian repos if they exist.
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09:35<planetmaker>rhsaumt, make sure to check whether debian's upstream repo is not exactly that very same repo then :)
09:36<planetmaker>(he might after all be the maintainer)
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09:36<rhsaumt>planetmaker: how would I go about checking that?
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09:44<planetmaker>rhsaumt, check the contents of the 'watch' file in the debian git repository. It tells you where debian gets its sources from
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09:48<planetmaker>though... if there's no exact package for that, that's not feasible... not sure what package should supply what you look for
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10:49<Kiryx>How can I execute a script on user login ?
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10:49<Kiryx>bashrc is only when I actually open a terminal
10:49<Kiryx>and I want it to work for GUI sessions as well
10:50<Kiryx>preferably just once
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10:50<funkyHat>Kiryx: /etc/profile or ~/.profile might be what you want
10:50<funkyHat>(or /etc/profile.d/)
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10:51<Kiryx>I want it per user so preferably the ~/.profile might work
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10:52<Kiryx>funkyHat: Hey, It did not work
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11:02<MegaKush>hi everyone, can somebody help me? i cant put a 3ª account of twitter on icedove
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11:53<kminor>hey guys, I need help. I had to move my debian OS's hard drive to a new machine. KDM worked fine but like a dummie i intalled fglrx & now kdm doesn't load
11:54<kminor>Should I just do apt-get -r fglrx*?
11:54<kminor>not very confident with myself so let me know if anyone is awake here
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11:54<sney>aptitude remove fglrx-driver should be sufficient
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11:54<kminor>sney : thanks for replying I'll give it a try
11:55<sney>does your new machine not have a display adapter that's supported by fglrx?
11:56<kminor>sney : I thought it did, but i get this "fifo:" something or other & it goes to command line
11:56<kminor>do i find that out with "hwinfo" or what's the best way?
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11:57<sney>kminor, the best way is to pastebin the entire error. the package 'pastebinit' can do that for you from the command line
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11:58<kminor>sney : when i do the aptitude remove fglrx-driver it wants to remove 95 apps.
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11:59<kminor>will apt-get -r fglrx* work without removing 95 packages? when I installed fglrx-driver it only installed a few other dependencies. Not 95
11:59<sney>it's better to let apt manage its own dependencies. without seeing the output, I can't tell you whether one option is better than the other
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12:00<sney>aptitude may just be cleaning up some automatically installed packages that you forgot about. if you use apt-get, this needs to be done manually with apt-get autoremove
12:00<petn-randall>kminor: Paste the full output to, then we can judge if it's sane or not.
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12:01<kminor>sney : I did 'apt-get remove fglrx-driver' & now it only wants to remove 2 packages. Think im gonna do that
12:01<kminor>petn-randall: I'm not on that machine I'm shelled into another it's in the other room. I've been walking to it, or i would
12:02<sney>kminor, like I said earlier, if you install 'pastebinit' you can pastebin from the command line.
12:02<kminor>petn-randall : let me get KDM working again & i'll check my .bash logs & paste it
12:02<sney>what on earth would bash logs have to do with an X issue
12:02<kgolding>My usb0 network device is being detected and added to the "ip a" list, but it needs me to run ifup usb0 - how do I get it to auto start please? My interfaces config is
12:03<kminor>sney : okay I will. Man I've had 2 hard drives fail in that old computer with the same problem. Like it was either a malicious attack, either that or the server/computer i switched from was frying them & messing up the heads
12:04<sney>the latter is far more likely, but still weird
12:04<kminor>sney : it's just weird because I had 2 hard drives, first one started clicking, it was the boot drive. Bought a new drive & installed backup via partimage
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12:05<kminor>sney : then yesterday it was working & the "BACKUP" drive started clicking with head alignment problems....thank god i backed up the backup...but it didn't fry the boot drive the 2nd time.
12:05<sney>the other possibility is your computer parts supplier got a bad batch of drives, and your replacement was from the same batch
12:05<sney>or just other random bad drive anomalies
12:06<kminor>sney : so I bought the first 32-bit server I could find &'s so WIERD...never had a hard drive fail in my life, now 2 within 1 week of each other with the same problem
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12:08<kminor>sney : Yeah, I did the "apt-get remove fglrx-driver" & it removed 2 packages then /etc/init.d/kdm restart & back to normal. I will install that pastebinit thing though here in a second
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12:09<kminor>Going to do all the squeeze updates I need to do first though. I think there is like 80 I need since I restored from the partimage backup lol
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12:10<sney>ok, let us know if you need help with something
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12:10<kminor>Hey guys? What's the best GUI app I can use to tell me what hardware this new computer has? video card driver, monitor type, etc. etc... for this new machine?
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12:12<kminor>sney : ALSO FYI, the base drive wouldn't load GRUB after the backup drive failed. I had to use the 'boot-repair' CD to remove & reinstall squeeze's GRUB....that's just odd. That's why I hope to god it's not a malicious attack problem.
12:13<sney>kde probably has something, but I would just use lspci & lshw
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12:14<sney>is there someone you think might be trying to attack your machines? it is exceedingly rare for a random attacker to target a desktop, or anything other than a public-facing web server - and even in those cases, the problems you describe are never the result
12:14<Guest431>question how to install mate desktop on wheezy
12:15<kminor>sney : oh yeah, i forgot about I'm so rusty on the command-line...So thanks a ton for your help guys
12:15<Guest431>on theyr web is not very good explanation
12:15<sney>Guest431, mate isn't in debian, you're on your own for that one
12:15<kminor>90 updates & 63 security updates since restored from backup...yeah I better do that...& hope nothing breaks
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12:16<sney>kminor, once squeeze is fully updated you should consider upgrading to wheezy, since squeeze will be EOL soon
12:16<kminor>sney : couldn't he build it from source or with one of those debian package making apps?
12:17<sney>kminor, perhaps, but those solutions aren't supported here. I think there may be 3rd party repos... but #debian only supports debian stuff, not everyone else's
12:17<SynrG>Guest431: the short answer is: don't
12:17<kminor>sney : I'm going to do just that. I just need to make sure the changes for my customers ISP control panel for their virtual domains & stuff is compatible with the new wheezy libraries
12:17<SynrG>!why not mate
12:17<dpkg>Unfortunately, <mate> is neither in Debian, nor likely to be, based on technical objections and lack of anyone doing the work. Therefore, you can't get support for it here. Use one of the other desktop environments: <gnome>, <kde>, <xfce> or <lxde>. Alternatively, for <jessie> there will be <cinnamon>.
12:18<kminor>sney : probably going to go buy a new internal hard drive & back everything up again before just in case
12:18<sney>kminor, if you have a production webserver and you aren't using a raid or some other redundancy, you are doing it wrong
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12:18<kminor>I found some mate debian repos man
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12:19<SynrG>kminor: yeah. don't use them.
12:19<kminor>Guest431 : Check this out man
12:19<kminor>SynrG : Why what's wrong? dependency conflicts & stuff?
12:19<sney>kminor, are you volunteering to support that if it goes wrong?
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12:19<sney>because nobody else here will.
12:19<SynrG>kminor: no support here for it.
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12:20<Guest431>getting xfce
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12:20<SynrG>kminor: hypothetical situation: you can no longer login from your login manager. you go to MATE and complain and say "i dunno, it looks like a debian problem. go ask #debian." you ask us and we say "i dunno, it looks like a mate problem. go ask #mate."
12:20<kminor>Guest431 : Yeah listen to them above me. I'm just another guy here for help. But that does have MATE debian repositories, they're just unofficial.
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12:20<SynrG>so if you want to screw yourself entirely for support, by all means, install it :)
12:21<Guest431>just curious
12:21<SynrG>maybe you enjoy that kind of "fun" :)
12:21<kminor>Good point SynrG
12:22<kminor>I did that with all the OpenGL stuff before it was in the debian was fun, what was the name of that app that came out before was Baryl or something? Learned alot about pinning packages & dependency conflicts hehehe
12:22<SynrG>i'm not saying we'd deliberately give you the run-around, but we'd want to ensure you were using supported stuff before proceeding further. and MATE's own capacity to solve problems beyond directly "component X of mate is broken" sorts of problems is probably limited.
12:22<SynrG>(and/or their ability to identify what's broken in MATE vs. what's broken generally in Debian ... i have my doubts they are experts in that field)
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12:23<kminor>Hey guys, I just switched from Lenny to Squeeze about 6 months ago, & I still use Synaptic...but on wheezy I have this thing that says "90 upgradeable & 63 security updates" in KDE. Should I be using that app instead of Synaptic?
12:24<SynrG>kminor: disconnect ...
12:24<kminor>I've just always been comfortable with Synaptic, but it's only giving me like 25-30 updates
12:24<SynrG>kminor: you said "from Lenny to Squeeze ... but on Wheezy ..."
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12:24<SynrG>kminor: two systems? or one? or you misspoke? (or left out a detail?)
12:24<kminor>SynrG : no I'm on squeeze still, but didn't dist-upgrade until really late
12:25<kminor>SynrG : I had to do a partimage system restore though
12:25<SynrG>i'm still not understanding. "on squeeze still ... but on wheezy I ..."?
12:25<SynrG>are you upgrading from squeeze -> wheezy? have you partially upgraded from squeeze -> wheezy? ... something else?
12:26<sney>multiple machines I suspect
12:26<kminor>SynrG : not right now, my hard drives failed yesterday. I will possibly later today after I get a new backup HD to image my system before dist-upgrading to wheezy
12:26<SynrG>kminor: so, two systems?
12:27<kminor>SynrG : the little "TASK BAR" thing says 90 upgradable 63 security updates" this is for squeeze, but in synaptic it gives me nothing close to that. Markes around 28-30 some packages. Just wondering if I should not be using Synaptic in squeeze with KDM/KDE
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12:28<kminor>SynrG : no it's 1 system. I bought a new server/computer because other than malicious intent, that's the only thing I can think of that could destroy 2 drives within a week of each other in the same way
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12:30<kminor>Stringi & Nepomuk or whatever installed themselves on squeeze dist-upgrade & never used them before
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12:32<sney>nepomuk is a kde component, so it probably just got brought in with a metapackage dependency adjustment
12:32<sney>I don't know what stringi is but it's probably the same situation
12:32<kminor>SynrG : It's probably some KDE upgrade thing to replace Synaptic, but i trust synaptic better....but anyhow I'm not that smart...but not dumb enough to have 2 hard drives fail. First my boot drive with Debian...then my backup drive...both with head alignment issues. So put the 1 boot drive I have left in a new computer
12:33<kminor>sney : yeah I saw that...just weird it says 90 updatable & 63 security updates & synaptic gives me 25-30...not all the security updates they said
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12:33<marko_>good evenin
12:34<marko_>i just instaled xfce desktop it says xfce 4.8.6
12:34<sney>kminor, the one you shouldn't trust is synaptic, it can be... unpredictable compared to the more commonly-used apt utilities
12:35<marko_>how can i upgrede to the new version
12:35<kminor>sney : really? So is "update-manager" okay? or should I just stick with apt-get update | apt-get upgrade ?
12:35<sney>kminor, stick with apt-get except for individual package installs
12:35<sney>(you can do whatever you want for those)
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12:36<sney>marko_, you already have the newest xfce in your debian version. what version of debian?
12:36<marko_>7.3 wheezy
12:36<sney>,v xfce4
12:36<judd>Package: xfce4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.6.2; wheezy:; jessie: 4.10.1; sid: 4.10.1
12:36<marko_>it says 4.8.6
12:37<sney>you're sure this is debian, not some other based-on-debian thing?
12:37<marko_>yeah totaly
12:37<marko_>installed last night
12:37<sney>why do you want a newer xfce4? is there some feature you want that's not in 4.8?
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12:38<marko_>this panels are ugly i like more ones in 4.10
12:38<sney>I ask because the versions of software in debian stable releases are chosen carefully for reliability and stability. you have options for upgrading but you might be sacrificing your ability to rely on that system
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12:40<marko_>how to upgrade to 4.10
12:40<sney>!tell marko_ about ssb
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12:40<sney>the dpkg bot just sent you a message. follow those instructions to add sid SOURCES and build xfce 4.10 packages for your system
12:40<sney>if you get stuck on a specific step, ask
12:41<kminor>Anybody got a shell I can use to IRC with BitchX from? Im gonna hafta reboot this machine & then go buy a new internal HD to backup my system before squeeze-wheezy dist-upgrade
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12:42<kminor>sney : Also later if u get time do u think u could help me check if my new SWAP partition is setup right? Or is it automatic?
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12:43<sney>swap is pretty idiot-proof
12:43<kminor>sney : had to create it manually with gparted bootcd after buying a new drive to install partimage backups onto
12:43<sney>also, there are free shells all over the internet. blinkenshell is one. google is your friend
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12:43<kminor>hehe cool, yeah I'm outta practice, im gonna check blinkenshell out rightnow
12:44<fixed>anyone running debian on asus vivobook 200?
12:44<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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12:47<kminor>You guys have been awesome. I really appreciate the help...especially as to how out of practice I am. Main reason all my main production servers are all Debian's OS instead of it's many varients. Lots of good people here to learn from.
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12:50<kminor>hehe crap im dumb...the BitchX detatch command used to be Ctrl-AD gosh I need to stay up on things
12:51<sney>that's screen, not part of bitchx
12:51<kminor>oh yeah...duh
12:52<sney>(people still use bitchx?)
12:52<kminor>sney : lol, well as u can see...I rarely IRC anymore unless I don't know where to go for help....met smarter people on IRC than anywhere else on the net
12:53<sney>it does often go that way
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13:00<marko_>still stuck on xfce 4.8.6 and no help
13:01<sney>marko_, did you see the message dpkg sent you?
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13:01<marko_>i did but didnt say how to edit and add line
13:02<sney>in the message from the bot, there are things like 'ask me about <deb-src sid>' - anything inside <these> can be typed as a reply to the bot, and it will give you more info on that topic
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13:03<marko_>i dont get how people can be so unfriendly with new users
13:04<marko_>explain more about the subject and be patient
13:04<sney>I will explain the answers to any specific questions you ask
13:04<marko_>ok can we go to private
13:04<marko_>not to spam here
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13:05<sney>it's fine, that's what #debian is for. if you have logs you can pastebin them, but all support goes here
13:05<petn-randall>marko_: If it's support, it's not spam :)
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13:05<marko_>ok i want to update to xfce 4.10 give mi the metod and how to do it
13:05<petn-randall>marko_: It's generally preferred to stay on channel with support, so in case the supporter has to leave other people can pick up where he/she left.
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13:06<sney>marko_, the reason I sent you the information from the dpkg bot is because those are the official instructions for backporting any debian package for stable
13:06<marko_>ok good point
13:06<sney>marko_, since xfce 4.10 is not in stable, it needs to be backported from sid. this is the recommended and supported method
13:06<petn-randall>marko_: What are you missing in xfce 4.10 that you don't have in 4.8?
13:07<sney>marko_, since my brain is not an encyclopedia, if I was going to walk you through the steps, I would be asking the dpkg bot the same questions. it's quicker if *you* just try following the steps yourself, and ask for *specific* help if you get stuck.
13:07<marko_>it looks better and more funcional
13:07<petn-randall>marko_: ... but's it's also less tested, and more buggy.
13:07<sney>petn-randall, we've been through that part already ^^
13:08<marko_>used xfce 4.10 on mint and it worked fine
13:08<sney>marko_, since mint is not debian, there are a lot of differences and you have no way of knowing if something else in the system could cause a problem
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13:09<petn-randall>marko_: Just curious, why did you change distros?
13:09<marko_>i give this is to muc a hussle
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13:09<marko_>just ben curious about debian
13:09<marko_>installed on other hard drive
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13:11<marko_>word of advice be more patient to new users
13:11<sney>this is patience. it's not hand-holding though
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13:11<sney>again, if you have a specific question that's not 'tell me everything' I'll answer it
13:11<sney>and so will anyone here
13:12<marko_>awnses are to hasty and it is not elaborated good
13:12<petn-randall>marko_: We are patient with new users, we just prefer to teach them how to help/educate themselves instead of being spoon-fed.
13:12<blast007>marko_: perhaps the visual differences between debian and mint's Xfce could even be a theme difference and not necessarily the version?
13:12<marko_>to explain in detail
13:12<sney>we are volunteers. we are here to help, but we are not here to teach you every single concept one by one. you have to do some work yourself too
13:12<marko_>i am gone
13:13<marko_>have a good day/Night
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13:32<kgolding>My usb0 network device is being detected and added to the "ip a" list, but it needs me to run ifup usb0 - how do I get it to auto start please? My interfaces config is
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13:34<valdyn>kgolding: iface usb0 inet statis \ address <address> \ netmask <netmask>
13:34<valdyn>kgolding: iface usb0 inet static \ address <address> \ netmask <netmask>
13:34<valdyn>(fixed a typo)
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13:35<valdyn>kgolding: unless of course you really had dhcp there
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13:35<valdyn>kgolding: and add it to your "auto.." line
13:35<valdyn>kgolding: though maybe you really want to add it to the allow-hotplug line
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13:36<kgolding>valdyn: I need dhcp
13:36<valdyn>kgolding: not much at all to do then
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13:37<kgolding>valdyn: thats what I thought, but it isn't coming up by itself :(
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13:37<petn-randall>kgolding: Do you have network-manager installed?
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13:37<valdyn>kgolding: you have "auto usb0" commented out?
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13:38<sney>I thought auto and allow-hotplug were interchangeable
13:38<kgolding>No, I've not install network-manager. It's a embedded project so am keeping it lite
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13:39<kgolding>Yeah, I have uncomment auto usb0 and it still doesn't come up by itself
13:39<valdyn>kgolding: it will come up if its actually found
13:39<valdyn>kgolding: if its found you can see it in "ifconfig -a"
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13:39<sney>maybe networking is starting before the usb device comes up
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13:40<valdyn>kgolding: if its not in that list then something went wrong *before* interfaces is used
13:40<kgolding>valdyn: yep ifconfig -a shows it.. but as DOWN
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13:40<valdyn>kgolding: sudo run "ifup -a"
13:41<valdyn>kgolding: oh, another typo, i meant "run: ifup -a"
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13:41<kgolding>valdyn: ifup -a / ifup usb0 both get it working
13:41<ap31r0n>hello, on my debian jessy i can't use audio, in my playback device menu (kde) i see as the only output my hdmi video card. i use pulseaudio
13:41<valdyn>kgolding: great, so interfaces is ok
13:42<valdyn>kgolding: so this really only does not work on bootup?
13:42<kgolding>valdyn: It doesn't work when I plug it in (USB)
13:42<sney>ap31r0n, see the topic, testing and sid support goes to #debian-next
13:42<petn-randall>ap31r0n: Check out #debian-next, where jessie and upwards are supported.
13:43<ap31r0n>petn-randall: tanks
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13:45<valdyn>kgolding: i believe for that you would need a udev rule
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13:45<kgolding>valdyn: Ok, I'll do some research on that - thank you
13:47<valdyn>kgolding: see
13:48<valdyn>kgolding: but that rule just or also renames the interface to n900, so i cant tell you how that line works exactly
13:48<kgolding>valdyn: Thanks. Gotta go now, but thanks for the pointer... laters
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14:13<wiebus>Taach Leute
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14:14<ivanoov>salut :)
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14:18<holger>guten abend
14:19<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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14:20<drowningsucks>woops, apologies
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14:21<kumar>is not working
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14:37<petn-randall>drowningsucks: Useless use of cat? ;)
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14:56<drowningsucks>Anybody have experience with PS/2 to USB converters?
14:56<sney>yes. they work or they don't
14:56<sney>there's no software component
14:56<drowningsucks>I got a Gigaware converter and when coming out of sleep it won't always function
14:56<drowningsucks>well thats the thing
14:57<drowningsucks>sometimes it will work, sometimes not. a quick unplug and replug generally works
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14:57<drowningsucks>I don't know why the module would stop sending power though
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14:58<sney>that's a known issue with suspend in general, sometimes input devices won't wake back up
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15:01<drowningsucks>maybe if I provide some external power it won't require an unplug
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15:03<petn-randall>drowningsucks: Which part is the USB? The part that plugs to the computer, or the one that plugs to the keyboard?
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15:10<petn-randall>drowningsucks: You might be able to set the USB power to always on in the BIOS. Then it might work. PS/2 is designed to be hotpluggable, which is why it fails upon resume.
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15:29<Nietzschette>I'm new to debian and i've encountered a hickup when using ssh . . . not a bug or anything I'm just sure its not installed correctly or something . . . but i'm not sure where i've gone astray, can anyone help me out?
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15:30<marsboer>what is your issue?
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15:32<Nietzschette>setting up the server . . . my connection attempts time out from my laptop, and on the server when I do ssh loclahost the connection is refused
15:33<Nietzschette>I've only got this crappy old monitor and I'd like to work on my debian machine remotely
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15:35<Nietzschette>I suppose I need help ensuring the server is configured correctly to accept incoming ssh connections
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15:35<valdyn>Nietzschette: you just need to install openssh-server for the server to accept incoming ssh connections
15:36<valdyn>Nietzschette: theres nothing else to configure (from the default)
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15:36<LtL>Nietzschette: on the server, do 'tail -f /var/log/auth.log' open another terminal and do 'ssh localhost' - what does auth.log spit out
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15:36<valdyn>Nietzschette: the error message should be the same on localhost like from remote, but thats a seperate issue
15:37<LtL>Nietzschette: what valdyn says goes without saying of course.
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15:37<Nietzschette>. . .
15:37<Nietzschette>of course
15:38<valdyn>so.. is it installed yet?
15:39<Nietzschette>well, i've got the server running on a closed lan, so, it'll take a few extra steps
15:39<Nietzschette>wouldn't the server also be included in the installation cd?
15:40<valdyn>Nietzschette: of course its on the installation cd
15:40<Nietzschette>well, i've got ect/ssh
15:40<Nietzschette>but no sshd
15:40<valdyn>Nietzschette: (unless thats netinstall or smaller, but that would have made no sense in a closed lan)
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15:40<valdyn>Nietzschette: the ssh client is obviously installed already, the server is not installed
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15:43<Nietzschette>I think I might have used the netinstall because it was less to download . . .
15:44<valdyn>Nietzschette: you cannot install debian using netinstall if theres no internet access
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15:46<dpkg>try /quit
15:46<Nietzschette>I also appear to be unable to input commands after typing 'tail -f /var/log/auth.log'
15:46<valdyn>Nietzschette: thats expected
15:46<valdyn>Nietzschette: Ctrl-C works
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15:48<sda>Hi all, I need to be able to connect to a remote machine, be able to use full desktop (not single app) be able to decide the resolution of the screen, be able to reconnect to the same session. Any idea?
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15:48<Nietzschette>my hypothesis is, than, that I must therefor look for the package on the installation cd, yes?
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15:49<valdyn>Nietzschette: you need to run "apt-get install openssh-server"
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15:50<dpkg>A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>.
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15:50<valdyn>Nietzschette: maybe you want ^^
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15:50<Nietzschette>hold on, I'm new to navigating through bash
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15:53<Nietzschette>I must mount cd first, yes>
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15:54<valdyn>Nietzschette: no
15:54<fredf>hello, I want to install debian witout using a network or USB stick etc. I have win32-loader installed, I have the hd-media initrd.gz and vmlinuz, but where do I get (and put) the packages to install? I won't have network access to retrieve packages when in Debian at first...
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15:55<valdyn>!rube goldberg install
15:55<dpkg>"Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke."
15:55<dondelelcaro>fredf: use a CD image or similar? you'll have to get the packages to the system somehow. How you do that is up to you
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15:56<dondelelcaro>I mean, it's certainly possible to install Debian using almost any method, but you're generally going to be much happier using isos, the network, or usb methods.
15:56<fredf>dondelelcaro: no problem, I have network access now... where on teh FTP server is the CD image?
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15:56<fredf>dondelelcaro: thanks
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15:59<Nietzschette>why when I type 'dir' is there no return?
16:00<valdyn>Nietzschette: no files there
16:00<valdyn>why is there even dir still..
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16:01<Nietzschette>ahhh . . . forgive me, it appears I must go 100 wrong ways before finding the way forward
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16:01<valdyn>Nietzschette: dir works fine, just the typical command would be "ls"
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16:06<Nietzschette>how do I check my cd drive's path?
16:06<Nietzschette>I assumed D, but maybe it's not D
16:07<valdyn>Nietzschette: youre doing to get just problems like this
16:07<valdyn>Nietzschette: you need to read some introductory text about linux or debian
16:07<Nietzschette>that's some cyphered grammer
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16:08<Nietzschette>well, I'm doing so as I proceed. . .
16:08<fredf>dondelelcaro: thanks... downloading now.
16:08<dpkg>Test failed.
16:09<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. The Debian Administrator's Handbook is also good. Ask me about <ig>, <overview>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>, <debian-handbook> (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference).
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16:10<Nietzschette>those are my first go -toos
16:10<valdyn>Nietzschette: excellent
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16:14<Nietzschette>it's just hard to work because this old monitor
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16:16<Nietzschette>Once I set up ssh I should be able to learn what I'm doing . . . it's just GETTING there
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16:20<Nietzschette>Ii can't install sshd, though, until i change directory to the cd-rom . .
16:22<blast007>Nietzschette: does 'apt-get install openssh-server' as root not work?
16:23<Nietzschette>the file is not found
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16:25<Nietzschette>I get, "reading package lists . . . Done" ... a few more lines . . . and then "unable to locate package"
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16:33<Nietzschette>how can i instruct the get ommand to get a file from the cdrom?
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16:37<Nietzschette>oh well
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16:44<Hatter>I have a debian Wheezy install, when i use 'df' : /dev/disk/by-uuid/a405019d-5ee7-4f1c-a2a6-4ae20db7de75 3905688 2706496 1000792 74% /var/www/clients/client1/web1/log, this is repeated 20 times, with the 'web$/log incremented. Why is df showing me thins ?
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16:44<valdyn>Hatter: you mounted it alot of times
16:44<valdyn>Hatter: makes no sense, but obviously you (or a script or someone) did
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16:45<ectospasm>Hatter: do you have any bind mounts, either in fstab or done from the shell?
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16:45<Hatter>valdyn, yes, I certainly didn't, ectoplasm, I will check
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16:45<valdyn>Hatter: indeed bind mount can do this too
16:45<Nietzschette>ahh! /media/cdrom!!!
16:46<Hatter>ectoplasm, yes this is in fstab : /var/log/ispconfig/httpd/ /var/www/clients/client1/web1/log none bind,nobootwait 0 0
16:46<Hatter>not sure why ispconfig would do this ?
16:46<Hatter>p.s. I know this is not ispconfig support channel :)
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16:46<Hatter>why would you use these binds ?
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16:48<ectospasm>Hatter: to mount a directory somewhere else.
16:49<Nietzschette>I don't get it, dir or ls don't return anything
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16:49<Nietzschette>after I cd /media/cdrom
16:50<ectospasm>I used to use it on my local apt repository... /var wasn't an LVM lv and didn't have enough space, and I wanted to put the mirror stuff in /var/spool/mirror. I did a bind mount from /home/var/spool/mirror to /var/spool/mirror, and it worked quite well.
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16:50<ectospasm>Hatter: ^
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16:51<Hatter>ectoplasm, oh cool, I haven't know about this.
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16:53<ectospasm>Hatter: man 8 mount
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16:54<ectospasm>Hatter: man 5 mount
16:54<ectospasm>search for "bind"
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16:55<Nietzschette>what are some other help channels?
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16:56<ectospasm>Nietzschette: is anything mounted on /media/cdrom?
16:57<ectospasm>Nietzschette: if nothing is moutned, that directory should be empty
16:57<Nietzschette>I did mount
16:57<Nietzschette>I even heard the disk spinning
16:58<ectospasm>Nietzschette: what was the mount command you used?
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16:58<Nietzschette>mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom
16:59<ectospasm>Nietzschette: did it give you any output? Does "df" show that it's mounted?
16:59<ectospasm>or "mount" with no options
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17:00<Nietzschette>it's really hard to read this output, give me a minute
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17:00<ectospasm>... really hard? Not to hard if you know how to read it.
17:00<ectospasm>The first line is the column headings
17:01<Nietzschette>no, my monitor is ancient and after trying for a few days to adjust the resolution in the grub files, I'm now trying to ssh
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17:01<Nietzschette>just so I can comfortably read my output :)
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17:02<Nietzschette>yeah, I think the cdrom is listed when I type mount with no commands
17:02<ectospasm>is there a disc in /dev/sr0? Is it populated with data?
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17:03<Nietzschette>it's the instillation - yes it should contain the necessary package
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17:05<Nietzschette>excuse me "installation cd"^^
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17:06<Nietzschette>I don't know how to querry the volume of the mounted drive, though
17:06<Nietzschette>to verify it is actually correctly mounted
17:08<Nietzschette>even after mount, and after i've changed directory to the mounted media, apt-get install still can't find openssh
17:09<Nietzschette>oh, wait, 'ls' is working now, give me a moment to navigate these directories
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17:09<ectospasm>Nietzschette: did you put the CD stuff in /etc/apt/sources.list*?
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17:10<Nietzschette>cd stuff?!
17:10<ectospasm>granted, I've never actually done that
17:10<ectospasm>Nietzschette: you have to tell apt to scan the CD for packages
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17:10<valdyn>man apt-cdrom
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17:11<valdyn>for you thats probably just "apt-cdrom add"
17:12<Nietzschette>access granted
17:13<Nietzschette>and now ssh localhost works!
17:14<Nietzschette>thanks, yer'll the best
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17:14<Nietzschette>ehem . . ya'll'r*
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17:30<kminor>Hey guys, if I have a 32-bit debianOS server with 2.6.*-i686 that has 6 gigs of RAM, would I need -bigmem kernels?
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17:31<themill>if you want to be able to use all that memory, yes
17:31<kminor>gkrellm shows only 3gigs & it has 5 gigs in it now.
17:31<valdyn>kminor: might aswell switch to an amd64 kernel...
17:32<kminor>themill: okay cool I was curious about that. Thanks
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17:32<kminor>valdyn: This is a 32-bit machine man :/
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17:33<kminor>valdyn : I thought amd64 could only be used on 64-bit processors
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17:33<valdyn>kminor: thats true
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17:35<kminor>valdyn: yeah man, this thing is old heh. All my new Proliants are amd64, but they're so expensive to fill up. 4gig sticks of RAM are like 300 bucks
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17:41<derpsauce>Should I download the net installer from HTTP or BitTorrent?
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17:41<sney>whatever floats your boat. it'll be the same installer either way
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17:43<derpsauce>Does leaving it seeding help, or does it not matter?
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17:43<pero>im trying to netinst 7.3 in virtualbox but fail the install at 'select and install software'
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17:46<kminor>valdyn: Would you recommend installing linux-image-2.6-bigmem or my current kernel linux-image-2.6.32-5-bigmem?
17:47<valdyn>kminor: one is a kernel, the other is just a metapackage to pull the latest kernel
17:47<valdyn>kminor: in your case it might not make you run a different kernel
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17:48<valdyn>kminor: if you cant reboot then I would not recommend using linux-image-2.6-bigmem
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17:49<kminor>oh yeah i just saw the linux-image-2.6-bigmem is a meta package...shows a lower version than 2.6.32-5-bigmem too...just trying to get everything setup for my squeeze to wheezy upgrade tonight
17:50<kminor>valdyn: just bought a backup drive from the store & got a deal on a 2gig dimm to replace 1 with.
17:51<kminor>Did a - lshw -C memory & all of it shows up...didn't realize it wasn't all being used lol
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17:57<kminor>Are the Linux-headers/image-vserver packages for virtual servers for example VMware or Virtual box stuff?
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17:58<kminor>Hiya sney
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17:59<kminor>thx again for ur mad radd support earlier man
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18:07<derpsauce>Is there a user friendly archive manager with 7z support?
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18:07<SamB>define "user"
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18:08<kminor>sweet, that was easy & painless...
18:08<kminor>derpsauce: what you using? kde, gnome, etc.. ?
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18:08<kminor>derpsauce: I think "ark" works fine
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18:10<kminor>lol SamB
18:10<derpsauce>Context menu entries to flatten files/directories
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18:10<derpsauce>Context menu entries to expand archives. And AES backed password support
18:10<SamB>flatten visually, or do you actually want to extract everthing into one big heap?
18:12<derpsauce>lol in this context "flatten" means data compression, not a flat file structure
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18:12<SamB>what context exactly?
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18:13<keep_>you speak portuguese?
18:13<kminor>derpsauce: just play with Ark, File Roller, Nautilus. p7zip is command line but that's what I always use for those newer windows 7 archives
18:13<kminor>re: windows 8 not 7
18:13<keep_>??you speak portuguese??
18:14<keep_>i am not speak english
18:14<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
18:14<derpsauce>kminor. I used Xfce, and squeeze is pretty bad
18:15<derpsauce>so is the visual tearing too :/ but otherwise it's very nice
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18:16<keep_>obrigada pela dica
18:16<keep_>agora to enetndend oq vcs dizem
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18:18<keep_>alguem ai sabe como instalar league of lengends no windows linux??
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18:21<derpsauce>kminor, file-roller is much nicer thx
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18:24<kminor>derpsauce: cool man
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18:54<kminor>sney : you still around man?
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19:58<Inactivecar>Ok I am confused i have my repos to pull from the testing repo, were would I go to get help for that system?
19:59<ectospasm>Inactivecar: #debian-next
19:59<ectospasm>...on oftc
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20:00<Inactivecar>Thank you.
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21:46<jinppk>I use xen on debian 6, is it possible to install a guest as debian 7 and not upgrade the dom0?
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21:54<dondelelcaro>jinppk: in general, yes, but you might have to upgrade the kernel on the dom0
21:55<dondelelcaro>(I don't know whether that's required in this specific case, though)
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21:57<jinppk>So can i just do xen-create-imate bla bla bla --dist wheezy ? would i need to put anything in my sources file?
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22:03<rryoumaa>my kensington trackball is flaky, usually not sending any input. but sometimes it works for a few seconds. does anybody know how to debug? here is the syslog:
22:04<rryoumaa>what i did there was turn off the hub and turn it back on again
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22:04<rryoumaa>(is it a usb system issue or a broken trackball?)
22:05<dondelelcaro>rryoumaa: can you try plugging it in directly to the computer?
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22:05<rryoumaa>dondelelcaro: not easily
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22:06<rryoumaa>(it would take a while to explain that part)
22:06<rryoumaa>however, i have previously done so and it had the same issue, so it is not the usb hub
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22:12<dondelelcaro>rryoumaa: anyway, if other devices seem to work, I would suspect the trackball... but it's hard to say
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22:17<dharc>hi, mint programs can be brought to the debian repository??
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22:19<jinppk>dondelelcaro: Thanks, i just tried that i said and it seems to have workd, the kernel is still the 6 one, but when i installed python is defaulted to 2.7 which is what i wanted :)
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22:20<dharc>dvs: why?
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22:20<dvs>dharc: Different dependencies
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22:22<dharc>dvs: not necessarily, I have a package MintUpdate that I have created myself working normally in debian
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22:23<dvs>If you want to mess up your system, it's up to you.
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22:42<enand>I'm having problems with the audio. I'm currently on Debian Sid (and had the same problems with Debian 7.2 kernel 3.2). I'm on a ThinkPad T60 with Intel audio.
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22:43<enand>I installed Debian minimal (without any desktop environment) and manually installed ALSA. alsamixer does detect the audio card and shows different bars, but putting all of them at 100% level doesn't do anything.
22:43<SamB>what are you using to play the audio?
22:43<lostson> is one muted ?
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22:44<enand>SamB: running speaker-test from the terminal.
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22:45<enand>lostson: no. I get two card options inside alsamixer, and I have both set to 100%
22:45<enand>one card option is HDA Intel, and the other one is ThinkPad Console Audio. the second one I can only modify by pressing the physical buttons on the laptop. the first one I can modify with the keyboard.
22:45<SamB>enand: and there are no checkboxes ?
22:47<SamB>enand: which devices did you try asking speaker-test to test?
22:47<enand>SamB: I just noticed that S/PDIF said MM (assuming muted). I pressed M while on it and it's at 00 now.
22:47<enand>SamB: just using # speaker-test -c 2
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22:47<enand>not sure how to select a specific devide.
22:48<SamB>see the manpage
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22:48<SamB>I mean, I guess I could tell you what it says but it looks quite clear to me
22:50*SamB just ran "aplay -L" and saw only "default" listed
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22:53<enand>aplay -L yields a bunch of things. what's strange, though, is that the system beeps.
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22:54<enand>it's definitely the speakers since I have system beeps disabled inside the BIOS, and it won't beep when I press the physical mute button.
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22:59<enand>nevermind, I'm apparently completely blind. PCM *was* muted.
22:59<enand>thanks SamB and lostson
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23:29<ElrondKing>When I open the google-chrome-stable in my wheezy, the CL show "已放弃", What's wrong with it.
23:31<SamB>I don't know; I don't read CJK
23:33<ElrondKing>I guess it is "give up" in English.
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