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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-12-20

---Logopened Fri Dec 20 00:00:16 2013
---Daychanged Fri Dec 20 2013
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00:00<CountryfiedLinux>'apt-get -t wheezy backports install linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-amd64 - Linux 3.11 for 64-bit PCs' correct?
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00:01<LtL>not quite
00:01<CountryfiedLinux>invalid operation backports
00:01<LtL>CountryfiedLinux: try apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-amd64
00:01<LtL>you forgot the hyphen
00:02<helpless>Hi, I recently moved my hard drive to a new computer and x11 seems to be crashing on start. I think it's misconfigured somehow, but I wouldn't know where to look.
00:02<CountryfiedLinux>installing :D thanks
00:02<LtL>no problem
00:03<CountryfiedLinux>I think it installed. Do I update grub now?
00:03<LtL>CountryfiedLinux: it should have done that for you, just reboot
00:04<CountryfiedLinux>ok I'll try that thanks. brb
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00:05<LtL>i hope it was done, 3 minutes is fairly quick
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00:06<CountryfiedLinux>Successful reboot! thanks y'all :)
00:06<LtL>congratulations
00:06<CountryfiedLinux>I need to manually install a driver and I didn't think it would be safe to upgrade to Testing in order to do so.
00:06<CountryfiedLinux>thanks
00:07<LtL>helpless: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
00:07<CountryfiedLinux>for future reference how do you search for a package again?
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00:08<nadir1>apt-cache search <pattern> [<2pattern> if you want another one]
00:08<LtL>CountryfiedLinux: apt-cache search and/or apt-cache show package
00:08<CountryfiedLinux>thanks
00:08<nadir1>apt-cache search <pattern> --names-only can be usefull too
00:11<CountryfiedLinux>brb
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00:12<helpless>"NVIDIA: could not open the device file /dev/nvidia0 (Input/output error)."
00:12<helpless>"NVIDIA: could not open the device file /dev/nvidia1 (Input/output error)."
00:12<helpless>"Fatal server error: no screens found"
00:13<LtL>helpless: how did you install the nvidia drivers, my guess is you'll need to do it again.
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00:15<LtL>helpless: i'm no nvidia expert so hopefully someone will chime in here, more details will help - how you installed nvidia
00:15<helpless>Switching from a laptop that had a discrete card
00:15<helpless>I was using bumblebee for the discrete
00:15<helpless>The previous, had an intel HD type card.
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00:18<CountryfiedLinux>What are the dependencies before manually installing an amd driver?
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00:19<helpless>Would it be possible to find and remove the gfx drivers I have, then figure out exactly what card this laptop has, and install for those?
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00:19<LtL>CountryfiedLinux: probably the kernel headers, are you compiling the driver or using a repo
00:20<CountryfiedLinux>LtL, I tried the same way I did in Ubuntu with chmod +x then sh install
00:20<CountryfiedLinux>LtL, it said something about dependencies
00:20<LtL>helpless: yes
00:20<CountryfiedLinux>LtL, so it can't be done?
00:21<LtL>CountryfiedLinux: so you're using proprietary drivers right
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00:21<CountryfiedLinux>LtL, trying to. The amd beta driver is the only one that enables 1080p on my tv from my laptop.
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00:22<LtL>CountryfiedLinux: i think tere is a cleanup tool, i'd try that then try a re-install. again.. i don't know nvidia proprietary stuff
00:22<LtL>s/tere/there
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00:23<LtL>CountryfiedLinux: type nvidia on the command line and hit tab a few times
00:24<LtL>CountryfiedLinux: there may be some nvidia commands available
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00:24<CountryfiedLinux>LtL, nothing happened. I have amd anyhow
00:25<CountryfiedLinux>what cleanup tool?
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00:26<LtL>CountryfiedLinux: i've heard of a tool to remove nvidia stuff, maybe you dont want that. i would try a reinstall of the driver i imagine
00:26<helpless>It appears this laptop has two 750ms in SLI. Not sure what I should do here.
00:27<LtL>proprietary stuff can leave a mess the new kernel may not like, just guessing here CountryfiedLinux
00:27<CountryfiedLinux>I just used gtkorphan to clean up LtL
00:28<CountryfiedLinux>I'll screenshot the error message this time
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00:29<LtL>helpless: how did you install video drivers in the first place
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00:31<helpless>I had the one Debian installer gave me (asides from Bumblebee configurations)
00:31<LtL>helpless: is that module loaded
00:32<LtL>helpless: re-run bumbebee config (which i've never done)
00:32<LtL>helpless: lsmod
00:32<CountryfiedLinux>ok here it is http://i.imgur.com/qmSci0m.png
00:32<helpless>I removed bumblebee
00:33<CountryfiedLinux>that's the error I got when trying to install the driver
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00:33<helpless>Since all of the hardware changed when I moved the drive, I just need to somehow update what's there. It still thinks I have my old hardware.
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00:35<LtL>CountryfiedLinux: can't help you. try apt-cache search fglrx - look for relevant stuff
00:35<CountryfiedLinux>thanks anyhow
00:35<CountryfiedLinux>bbl
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02:46<paranoidphreak>hi everybody, in the network manager, i can't edit eth0; it's disabled. how do i enable it?
02:47<aphex_>hi
02:47<aphex_>ifup eth0
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02:50<paranoidphreak>aphex_: i still can't edit it is the gui
02:52<aphex_>You launching it as root?
02:52<paranoidphreak>aphex_: ordinary user
02:53<paranoidphreak>aphex_: i could edit the wifi
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03:41<Poenikatu>When I try to run alsamixer, I am informed that the `mixer' device does not exist. When and how does /dev/mixer created?
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03:48<musca>hello Poenikatu, just to give you a starting point: /msg dpkg alsa
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04:26<Poenikatu>musca: Thanks for the msg about dpkg. Unfortunately, dpkg says that alsa-utils should be installed ( the pkg *is* installed) and that I should run alsamixer. That's the problem. Alsamixer refuses to run: I get the message "cannot open mixer: The device does not exist". So what do I do now?
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04:28<Poenikatu>musca: And issuing dpkg's command to ps using the output from lsof simply produces the processes su, bash and ps. I doubt that any of those are using the sound card.
04:28<CQ>Poenikatu: maybe ls is trying to read you the directory listing? ; )
04:28<Poenikatu>CQ: Which ls?
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04:29<CQ>er, sorry, misread lsof ... make that "maybe ps is trying to read you the process listings out loud? ; )" ...
04:31<Poenikatu>CQ: Not with you, but I've just checked the output of `lsmod' and no modules with snd in their name are loaded. Which suggests that the kernel does not recognise the sound card.
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04:33<CQ>Poenikatu: did you look through dmesg and see if the sound card shows up somewhere? dmesg | grep snd for eyample
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04:36<Poenikatu>CQ: Just did that: no results. In fact, I've just been looking through the o/p from dmesg and I cannot see anything concerning HDA either.
04:36<Poenikatu>I'm using linux-image-3.11-2-amd64
04:37<CQ>Poenikatu: https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA .. look through this?
04:37<CQ>http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/sound.htm
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04:40<Poenikatu>I have just run "ps | grep udevd" and got no o/p.
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04:42<Poenikatu>CQ: My mistake. Just run "ps ax|grep udevd" and it appears that udevd *is* running.
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04:44<DrZaius>where is $TERM variable set?
04:44<Poenikatu>CQ: Looking through https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA. I shall also check the other URL you gave.
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04:51<Poenikatu>CQ: alsaplayer reports errors in loading libraries and finally: "NOTE: THIS IS THE NULL PLUGIN. YOU WILL NOT HEAR SOUND!!"
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04:52<Poenikatu>CQ: "aplay -l" reports "aplay: device_list:268: no soundcards found..."
04:52<Poenikatu>CQ: I shall reboot.
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04:55<SynrG>btw, sexier than grepping ps output is pgrep -l udevd
04:55<SynrG>(for one thing, doesn't false-hit on the grep command)
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05:02<nadir>grep [p]attern could help with that
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05:26<G[zero]D>hi all
05:26<G[zero]D>I need
05:26<G[zero]D>YOU!
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05:29<G[zero]D>about a fu**in' teamviewer problem, when I launch, I receive a specific message: "Critical Error - Verification of your TeamViewer version failed! TeamViewer will quit for security reasons. Please reinstall TeamViewer."
05:31<G[zero]D>I have installed wine but that not solve the problem. I try to reinstall without but nothing.
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05:31<G[zero]D>I can't find any solution
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05:34<G[zero]D>anyone can help me?
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05:35<SynrG>maybe don't use fu**in teamviewer? or else ask them for help ...
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05:36<SynrG>it is not in debian or supported by debian
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05:38<G[zero]D>I have censured myself...
05:39<SynrG>i was not confused about that :)
05:39<G[zero]D>after two days trying any possible solution, I not happy
05:39<SynrG>i'm sorry you're not happy. maybe if you were using something debian supports, we could help with that.
05:40<G[zero]D>Ubuntu 13.10 is debian based
05:40<SynrG>!ubuntuirc G[zero]D
05:40<dpkg>G[zero]D: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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05:41<SynrG>but i doubt if they will support teamviewer either
05:41<G[zero]D>omg! why I'm here??
05:41<G[zero]D>sorry man
05:41<SynrG>maybe, however, they could recommend some alternative to teamviewer that they do support.
05:41<SynrG>no problem
05:41<SynrG>check your irc client settings
05:41<G[zero]D>:(
05:42<SynrG>p.s. censure is to judge or condemn ...
05:42<SynrG>censor is the word you meant :)
05:42<G[zero]D>now I have two problems, xchat auto join and teamviewr XD
05:42<SynrG>here's hoping your day improves ;)
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05:47<petn-randall>G[zero]D: I can say from my own experience that it's easier to install a Windows VM and use teamviewer in there than trying to get it to work under Linux. Their Linux support is far from stellar.
05:47<petn-randall>Same goes for the name cousin NetViewer.
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06:42<CyberBob>Ok so i'm having multiple errors while trying to browse via SMB any windows machines. I just recently replaced xfce which i installed wheezy with with MATE. First of all, the 'network' section of caja takes forever to load and throws a dbus error, but after a few minutes it does actually show 'windows network' like it should, but when i open 'windows network' i get 'unable to mount location, failed to retrieve share list from server'. upon trying to brow
06:42<CyberBob>se to smb:///windowsmachinesip directly i get 'could not display "smb:///windowsmachinesip", Error: DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
06:42<CyberBob>Please select another viewer and try again.'
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06:43<CyberBob>any ideas? all the windows machines on my network can see each other fine
06:43<CQ>how much space should I have on a HD for an xfce installation (entire system minus home) ?
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06:44<CQ>CyberBob: try in #samba on freenode maybe? I have no clue
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06:45<CQ>you have smbclient installed, right?
06:47<CyberBob>yes but i'm trying to get it working from within MATES file manager, caja
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06:47<CyberBob>is that what i need for that, or should i install samba or samba4?
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06:48<SynrG>!mate
06:48<dpkg>The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2 to keep its development active. MATE is not supported in #debian, see <why not mate>. http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on chat.freenode.net. Possibly soon in Debian, see http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=pkg-mate-team@lists.alioth.debian.org
06:48<CyberBob>i'm thinking i uninstalled something important to it when i ripped xfce out
06:48<CQ>smbclient is what the system needs to be able to deal with smb hosts. samba is what you need when you want to share smbs yourself from the machine
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06:49<CyberBob>that's what i thought
06:49<SynrG>we can help with access via smbclient or other methods, but not MATE. sorry
06:49<SynrG>please see #mate @ freenode for why browsing via smb:// URLs doesn't work
06:50<CyberBob>ty SynrG
06:50<SynrG>is that from within MATE that this doesn't work, or from the other machines?
06:50<CQ>so mate is essentially what gnome should have been? ; )
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06:51<SynrG>MATE is a misguided attempt to keep alive a horribly out of date and probably seriously broken desktop envrionment for the sake of those who don't like change.
06:51<SynrG>that being said, if you like dying a death by a thousand cuts, don't let me discourage you :)
06:51<SynrG>some people like pain
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06:52<CQ>SynrG: ah... then where does one go to get a decent gnome? I'm about to install xfce on a machine right now... or should I go with openbox?
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06:52<SynrG>what do you mean by "a decent gnome?" gnome3 is nice. and even nicer in 3.8 (use "flashback" mode if you don't like / can't use gnome-shell)
06:52<CyberBob>SynrG, horribly out of date? it was default in squeeze
06:52<CQ>I used to be a long-time fvwm2 fan...
06:53<SynrG>but if you're a gnome3 bigot, use kde, or xfce4, or lxde ...
06:53<CyberBob>and my old machines can't keep up with the latest gnome
06:53<petn-randall>CQ: fvwm is still in Debian ...
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06:53<CQ>SynrG: for this machine I need something light, but for my main machine I can try a few things
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06:53<CQ>petn-randall: how current is it?
06:53<SynrG>CyberBob: i'm not going to have this argument here, sorry. MATE is so much full of fail i don't know where to even begin.
06:54<SynrG>-> #debian-offtopic or /dev/null for arguments about pros/cons of your favourite not-supported-by-debian software :p
06:54<CyberBob>i'm not trying to argue, my machines just can't handle gnome 3, so i have to make another choice, and i was simply very happy with how 2 felt
06:54<CyberBob>that's all
06:54<petn-randall>CyberBob: MATE never was the default in squeeze. Back then it was gnome2.
06:54<SynrG>CyberBob: so use something debian *supports*
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06:55<petn-randall>CQ: Check it out yourself: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=fvwm
06:55<SynrG>gnome-classic, or if you're unhappy with that, one of the other DEs
06:55<SynrG>!why not mate
06:55<dpkg>Unfortunately, <mate> is neither in Debian, nor likely to be, based on technical objections and lack of anyone doing the work. Therefore, you can't get support for it here. Use one of the other desktop environments: <gnome>, <kde>, <xfce> or <lxde>. Alternatively, for <jessie> there will be <cinnamon>.
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06:56<CyberBob>cinnamon in jessie? nice. i will be using that once jessie comes out then
06:56<SynrG>regarding the last point of that factoid (re cinnamon), unfortunately right now that is a bit in doubt ... it's in sid only, and broken with RC bug since a very long time
06:56<SynrG>i would love it if cinnamon survived ... it's at least a forward-looking attempt to address the problem
06:57<SynrG>but it may be rendered redundant with "flashback" in >= 3.8
06:57<SynrG>i use that on my sid multimedia system at home and am reasonably happy with it
06:57<CQ>how much space should I have on a HD for an xfce installation (entire system minus home) ?
06:58<CyberBob>entire debian installation with xfce?
06:58<SynrG>CQ: no idea. how constrained are you for space?
06:58<CQ>CyberBob: just a desktop installation plus a few things... I was thinking 12gb
06:58<CyberBob>probably more like ~7
06:59<CQ>SynrG: not too constrained, but it's a dual-boot system so I want to make the data partition NTFS...
06:59<SynrG>i see. well, i would give all debian installs 10G minimum, just to have some room to breathe. usually that's not a hardship
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07:01<SynrG>of course with modern hard drives, even on multiboot machines, 100G may not be a hardship either ...
07:01<SynrG>it entirely depends on what you want to do with it :) install all kinds of things with large data components (games, etc.) and the space vanishes rapidly
07:01<SynrG>this has very little to do with your choice of desktop
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07:02<CQ>no, basic office and net machine... its a netbook, so nothing huge
07:02<SynrG>well, my netbook has a lot going on (gnome + kde + lxde + ... and lots of data) ...
07:02<CQ>I wish http://qubes-os.org/trac/wiki had debian templates, would be fun to play with
07:02<SynrG>i have a 60G ssd in it and it's 45G full
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07:03<SynrG>mind you, most of it in /home
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07:04<SynrG>to be precise, 28G of it in home
07:04<CQ>I usually have a /home/me/data folter mounted from another partition, makes backups easier
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07:04<SynrG>also, a buttload of kernel versions
07:04<SynrG>(that's microoptimization, though; just 63M in /boot)
07:04<CQ>why so many kernels? to test stuff?
07:04<SynrG>lazy?
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07:05<SynrG>on sid systems, cruft accumulates quickly. if you aren't vigilant ...
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07:05<SynrG>anyway, 20G if you want to be liberal. 10G if you're super constrained for space, i would say
07:06<SynrG>these are rough figures only :)
07:06<CQ>SynrG: thanks, I'll go with 12gb. that should be a good compromise
07:06<SynrG>please note that symlinking in space from ntfs may be problematic due to different filesystem capabilities ...
07:07<SynrG>depends on what you use that for
07:07<CQ>SynrG: just data
07:07<SynrG>i mean, if you run out of space on your ext# filesystem
07:07<CQ>you don't happen to work on the installer, do you?
07:07<SynrG>you might have to plunk /var/cache/apt/archives there or so, just to upgrade. that would probably be fine
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07:08<SynrG>only on the edges of it. debian-installer-launcher (for live systems) and i haven't put much into it recently.
07:08<SynrG>i know squat about installer internals :p
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07:08<CQ>I filed http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=732656 yesterday, should be a simple fix. I was playing around with an old machine this week...
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07:10<SynrG>CQ: this is going to be somewhat of a "meta" response to that bug, then ... Severity: grave is inappropriate and based on a misreading of bug severities.
07:10<SynrG>"renders package unusable" ... wtf? what package is unusable here? :)
07:11<CQ>SynrG: well, it renders the installer unusable for me...
07:11<SynrG>"for you"
07:11<SynrG>that's not what "renders package unusable" means
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07:11<SynrG>read up on bug severities to hone your bug filing skillz ;)
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07:12<SynrG>second "meta" point: the d-i team has not made any public release of the installer.
07:12<SynrG>we do not recommend installs of jessie/sid by any means other than installing wheezy & upgrading
07:12<SynrG>that's the *only* supported way
07:12<SynrG>!testing installer
07:12<dpkg>Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
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07:14<CQ>SynrG: well, no matter what, anything that tries to use modprobe -l will fail ... if the bug isn't grave, OK, but it's there
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07:15<SynrG>when things are that badly broken in the installer, the team already knows about it
07:15<SynrG>the daily builds are intended for developers, not users, at this point
07:16<SynrG>filing bugs on it is probably not very productive use of your time or theirs :p
07:16<SynrG>when they want testers, they will make a public announcement soliciting your help
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07:17<CQ>when I get access to the machine again I'll try it with a stable installer... I hadn't thought to try that
07:17<SynrG>yeah, do that.
07:18<petn-randall>CQ: The testing installer is a strongly moving target, so testing it isn't of much use at the moment. When testing is frozen (in around 1 to 1,5 years) testing the testing installer is of much more use.
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07:18<CQ>petn-randall: I wasn't trying to test it, I was trying to install sid...
07:19<petn-randall>CQ: I see. As SynrG said, the recommended way is using the stable installer and upgrading.
07:19<CQ>yep...
07:20<SynrG>ah. even if they had made a public release of the jessie installer, the recommended way to install sid with *that* would be to install jessie and upgrade :)
07:21<SynrG>also, see #debian-next for jessie/sid support if-and-when you repeat the experiment
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10:06<CQ>question ... http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en ... how does copying the ISO to the /dev/sdXX where the USB stick is work? does the ISO image jsut get written there, and then on boot get recognized by the BIOS and booted?
10:09<petn-randall>CQ: Yes, it comes with a boot loader, so you can boot from it if your BIOS supports that.
10:10<stderr_dk>CQ: The beginning of the ISO works as a partition table. By copying it to /dev/sdX (/dev/sdX is the whole disk, while /dev/sdXX means a partition), you're actually partitioning the USB stick and giving it a boot-loader.
10:10<stderr_dk>Yeah, what he wrote...
10:10<CQ>cool...
10:11<petn-randall>CQ: Just make sure it's the right disk you're writing it to ... :)
10:11<CQ>petn-randall: no kidding ; )
10:11<stderr_dk>And make sure you use /dev/sdX, not /dev/sdXX.
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10:12<CQ>if I can cp to it as a normal user, then it should be good ; )
10:12<CQ>grr... didn't work: isolinux.bin missing or corrupt...
10:12<CQ>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-7.3.0-i386-netinst.iso
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10:12<stderr_dk>Huh?
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10:13<stderr_dk>How are you copying the ISO to the USB stick?
10:13<CQ>thats teh message I get on the machine when trying to boot teh stick after cp-ing that image to it...
10:13<stderr_dk>Ah, I thought it was while copying... :-)
10:13<CQ>see the link above, with cp.
10:14<stderr_dk>You did "sync"?
10:14<CQ>yup.
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10:15<CQ>where should isolinux.bin be? I mounted the image to a dir...
10:15<stderr_dk>Have you checked the md5sum of the ISO?
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10:18<CQ>differ... let me reget
10:18<CQ>mirror is http://caesar.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/7.3.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-7.3.0-i386-netinst.iso
10:19<stderr_dk>I'm also getting that one.
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10:22<CountryfiedLinux>How do I install an AMD Catalyst driver?
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10:25<stderr_dk>wget is weird... "100%[======================================>] 290,455,552 8.08M/s in 62s", but it also says "2013-12-20 16:23:44 (4.49 MB/s)"... So what was the speed? 8.08M/s or 4.49MB/s?
10:25<Apollo>8 was the current speed
10:25<Apollo>4 was the average
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10:27<stderr_dk>Ok... But it's not the only weird thing I have seen from wget. It sometimes reports ".... bytes downloaded in 0s" after I have been waiting for a while.
10:27<petn-randall>Other way round.
10:27<petn-randall>CQ: Please give us the full command line you use to create the USB boot stick.
10:28<stderr_dk>petn-randall: No, 4.49 is the average.
10:28<stderr_dk>290455552/62 = 4684766.96774194
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10:29<stderr_dk>Anyway... CQ: It should be here: isolinux/isolinux.bin
10:29<CQ>cp debian-7.3.0-i386-netinst.iso /dev/sdd1; sync; sync; sync ... but the stick mounts OK after that, and there are files on it etc.
10:30<stderr_dk>NOT sdd1, sdd
10:30<CQ>argh. duh
10:30<CQ>thanks
10:30<CQ>md5sum is correct now
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10:32<petn-randall>stderr_dk: Must've misread your wget line, sorry.
10:32<stderr_dk>No problem.
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10:37<SynrG>!tell CountryfiedLinux about fglrx
10:37<CountryfiedLinux>I got this message when trying to install a catalyst driver http://i.imgur.com/qmSci0m.png
10:38<SynrG>!ati
10:38<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the AMD Catalyst installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati on irc.freenode.net.
10:38<CountryfiedLinux>SynrG, The fglrx driver doesn't give me full HD picture and sound on my TV, the catalyst one does.
10:38<SynrG>well, we don't support that here
10:38<CountryfiedLinux>It installed fine in Ubuntu without a hitch.
10:39<SynrG>lucky you. but we still don't support it here.
10:39<stderr_dk>Ubuntu != Debian.
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10:39<SynrG>not trying to be mean. it's just not part of debian, hence, not supported here.
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10:39<SynrG>#ati @ freenode really is the best place to be for your question
10:39<CountryfiedLinux>stderr_dk, huh?
10:40<SynrG>Ubuntu is not Debian
10:40<SynrG>^^
10:40<CountryfiedLinux>I know
10:40<SynrG>so getting it to install without a hitch in Ubuntu is not relevant to your problem
10:40<SynrG>it's not relevant to what we support, either
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10:41<stderr_dk>Apparently Ubuntu comes with "one or more tools required for installation", while Debian doesn't... But you can probably easy install those tools on Debian. Ask in #ati.
10:41<SynrG>#ati @ freenode, don't forget. not OFTC :)
10:42<stderr_dk>Ah, yes...
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10:42<stderr_dk>CountryfiedLinux: The log file might give a hint too...
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10:43<CountryfiedLinux>It says here Catalyst is supported https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#wheezy
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10:44<stderr_dk>CountryfiedLinux: Using the fglrx-driver package...
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10:50<SynrG>CountryfiedLinux: catalyst is just the name of the non-free driver. the catalyst *installer* provided by AMD, to install the version they ship directly from their site, is something else entirelyl
10:50<SynrG>entirely*
10:51<SynrG>it is not used by debian at all, and not supported by debian
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11:27<matteo>bonjour tout le monde
11:28<matteo>une question concerant le shell et les variables d'environnement quelqu'un pour m'aider ?
11:29<Maulkin>!fr
11:29<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
11:29<matteo>je viens de me rendre compte oui, merci
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12:12<CountryfiedLinux>"fglrx installation requires that the system have kernel headers for 3.7 release. /lib/modules/3.11-0.bpo.2-amd64/build/include/generated/uapi/linux/version.h cannot be found on this system." How do I install this?
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12:15<Nemoder>!fglrx
12:15<dpkg>fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD/ATI Radeon HD and FirePro graphic processing units. As of fglrx-driver 1:12-6~beta-1, R600 and R700 based GPUs (Radeon HD 2000/3000/4000 series) are no longer supported; ask me about <fglrx legacy> or use the <radeon> driver for device support. To install fglrx, see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary or ask me about <fglrx dkms>.
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12:19<CountryfiedLinux>Nemoder, I'm on that page and I'm still confused, that's why I asked in here.
12:20-!-mode/#debian [+l 640] by debhelper
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12:24<SynrG>CountryfiedLinux: apt-get install -t wheezy-backports linux-headers-amd64
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12:25<SynrG>,v linux-headers-amd64
12:25<judd>Package: linux-headers-amd64 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.11+54~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.11+54; sid: 3.11+54
12:25<SynrG>,v linux-image-3.11.bpo.2-amd64
12:25<judd>No package named 'linux-image-3.11.bpo.2-amd64' was found in i386.
12:25<SynrG>hmm
12:26<SynrG>oh
12:26<SynrG>,v linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-amd64
12:26<judd>Package: linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-amd64 on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 3.11.8-1~bpo70+1
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12:26<SynrG>,v linux-headers-3.11-0.bpo.2-amd64
12:26<judd>Package: linux-headers-3.11-0.bpo.2-amd64 on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 3.11.8-1~bpo70+1
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12:27<CountryfiedLinux>SynrG, thanks I'll try to install now :)
12:27<SynrG>CountryfiedLinux: there are two possibilities i can't tell from what little info you shared. either you installed linux-image-amd64 from wheezy-backports, or you installed linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-amd64
12:28<SynrG>CountryfiedLinux: you should install the *corresponding* package from wheezy-backports for linux-headers
12:28<SynrG>i.e. if you want to always just have the "latest" from wheezy-backports, install the metapackage. otherwise, the kernel package itself.
12:28<SynrG>and make the headers package match, depending on your preference.
12:28<CountryfiedLinux>SynrG, It was the latter.
12:30<SynrG>then install linux-headers-3.11-0.bpo.2-amd64 (you needn't specify -t wheezy-backports, since that's the only target offering that package)
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12:37<CountryfiedLinux>installed SynrG thanks I'll reboot and see :)
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12:49<CQ>can the installer only set up encrypted LVM if it uses the entire disk?
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12:51<SynrG>no idea. does the installation guide have anything to say on the topic?
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13:04<SirMarlok>ciao
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13:10<carlos_montez>hello
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13:11<nadir>CQ: what do you mean with only? If it can also use LVM without encryption?
13:11<nadir>Or if it has to use the whole disk?
13:12*nadir duh, probably the latter.
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13:18<srtu>i start copy (cp -av /source/. /dest/) a huge amount of files (~2TB), is it possible to pause it with: "kill -STOP <pid>" AND to run it again with "kill -CONT <pid>" without getting corrupt file or any other damage?
13:19<ompaul>srtu: to do that in a sensible fashion use rsync -av /source/* /dest/.
13:19<ompaul>then a simple ctrl c will work with zero pain
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13:20<srtu>ok but for this its to late, or you you mean i should kill cp and start after this with rsync?
13:20<nadir>my guess is the -u option won't hurt, for both cp and rsync. But i mainly use rsync (and not in the way you try to use cp)
13:21<ompaul>CQ: read this http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_lvm
13:21<ompaul>srtu: to allow yourself break in the middle of copying rsync is your friend
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13:25<krofek>why my precius jessie cant find network-manager in repos?
13:27<ompaul>,v network-manager
13:27<judd>Package: network-manager on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.1-6+squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.4.0-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.9.4.0-10; jessie: 0.9.8.0-5; sid: 0.9.8.0-5; experimental: 0.9.8.8-1
13:27<ompaul>it's there
13:27<krofek>i get cant find network-manager
13:28<ompaul>krofek: apt-get install network-manager - but first apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
13:29<krofek>ompaul, done both, still cant find net-manager
13:30<ompaul>krofek: paste into this address http://paste.debian.net the contents of your file /etc/apt/sources.list
13:30<ompaul>frankenfriday :)
13:30<ompaul>when furters go further
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13:30*ompaul coughs
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13:31<krofek>http://paste.debian.net/71992/
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13:32<ompaul>krofek: so the updates and backports folders don't work at this time
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13:32<ompaul>sorry, lines (what on earth is going on in my mind)
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13:33<ompaul>krofek: also you disabled the ability to get any actual jessie packages
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13:33<krofek>rly?
13:33<krofek>WHERE?
13:33<krofek>sry on caps :D
13:33<krofek>im doing a fresh install
13:33<krofek>..
13:34<ompaul>krofek: from what media?
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13:34<krofek>cd KDE
13:34<ompaul>krofek: the testing installer is for testing the installer
13:34<krofek>debian jessie KDE cd
13:34<ompaul>krofek: it is not for doing great installs
13:35<krofek>oh didnt knew that, so where i screwed up?
13:35<ompaul>krofek: using that Cd
13:35<krofek>i gotta do reinstall? rly?
13:35<ompaul>krofek: it is a rebuild installer
13:35<ompaul>krofek: I don't know what the installer installed or for that matter didn't
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13:36<krofek>yeah i noticed NM was missing and autonet features, but i fixed those from terminal :D
13:36<ompaul>krofek: if you want to do it right tell me you have a bit of ethernet and access to the router for a few minutes
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13:36<ompaul>krofek: and you going to work out by long hand everything that is wrong?
13:36<krofek>no you're right..
13:36<krofek>i got 20/20MBps net, so tell me what to DL
13:36<krofek>and ill reinstall
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13:37<krofek>i got ethernet access
13:37<krofek>on the pc i installed that crap
13:38<ompaul>krofek: the right / supported way is as follows, download the stable netinst cd (best idea) wire up the box do a minimum install, then change sources (removing the updates and backports or anything else you think is funky) change wheezy to jessie ; apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade apt-get install kde-plasma and get on with your life
13:39<krofek>thats exactly i did last time, this time i thought why to use net if there is KDE CD :D
13:39<ompaul>krofek: only use dist-upgrade not this safe upgrade crapola you see elsewhere you are running testing you want the latest in testing - and remember to install list-bugs and and so far
13:39<ompaul>krofek: you can do that, but then you install the older kde in the beginning
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13:39<krofek>yeah yeah, will reinstall asap.
13:40<ompaul>and you have to go though it's transition rather than just jumping in
13:40<krofek>ty ompaul
13:40<ompaul>krofek: yw
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13:48<krofek>ompaul, do i need to insert anything in domain name? at install?
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13:49<sney>krofek: nope, that field is optional
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13:49<krofek>oh, so network sharing and shit works even if it's empty?
13:50<sney>network file sharing is usually done over cifs, which uses its own separate domain structure
13:50<krofek>ty sney
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13:57<krofek>bah corrupted install media..
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13:58<sney>using a usb drive?
13:58<dessin>yes
13:58<krofek>yes
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13:59<sney>krofek: did you write the image to the usb drive from linux? if so, did you run 'sync' after it finished?
13:59<krofek>i just did dd if of and reboot :F
13:59<krofek>it works almost allways
13:59<krofek>this time it didnt
13:59<sney>gotta run sync to be safe
13:59<krofek>sync?
13:59<sney>yeah, linux keeps a lot of disk writes in memory, it makes things faster
13:59<krofek>just sync or something else?
13:59<sney>sync forces them to disk
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14:01<krofek>ty sney..
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14:01<krofek>doing dd agian
14:01<krofek>just sync after dd?
14:01<musca>yes
14:01<krofek>ok ty :)
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14:14<krofek>what fits under laptop caterogry at installer? and standard system tools?
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14:20<sney>krofek: 'laptop' is power management and wireless stuff. standard system utilities are things like editors, I think
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14:22<krofek>ty
14:22<nadir>https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel that gives some info and ways to get more
14:23<nadir>if you got no access to a debian system and need the output from aptitude, i can pastebin it
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14:24<nadir>anyway, the standard packages: http://paste.debian.net/71999/
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14:28<krofek>its fine, no need to.
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14:33<yashwant>Any one help me to solve this problem --> skype: symbol lookup error: skype: undefined symbol: _ZN19QAbstractProxyModel11setItemDataERK11QModelIndexRK4QMapIi8QVariantE
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14:35<sney>!skype
14:35<dpkg>Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> service and application owned by Microsoft. Debian cannot distribute the application due to its license. See http://wiki.debian.org/skype and ask me about <skype amd64>, <skype squeeze> for community-contributed information. Consider using free and secure alternatives: <ekiga>, <empathy>, <jitsi>, <linphone>.
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15:10<krofek>is there any nice way to avoid kernel panics using fglrx?
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16:29<jblaze>Hi I've just tried updating from Debian Stable to testing and on reboot I am now getting the error "Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occured and the system can't recover. Please log out and try again". Which logs do I need to look at to find the source of this problem?
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16:35<amphi>jblaze: a cuursory google suggests this message is from gdm3
16:35<amphi>*cursory
16:35<mpfusion>jblaze: It's an issue with the gnome session or some component of it. Try ~/.xsession-errors or the syslog.
16:35<amphi>#726516
16:36<amphi>!#726516
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16:41<amphi>jblaze: is this you? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=109802
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16:43<jblaze>mpfusion & amphi: Thankyou yes it does seem to be gdm3. It seems gdm-fallback.session has been removed
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16:45<jblaze>amphi: no that isn't me but thanks for the thread I'll give it a read
16:45<amphi>you're welcome
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16:46<mpfusion>I get the error 'su: No module specific data is present' when I run commands using su, like: 'su -s /bin/sh -c ls nobody'. I assume it's a PAM issue. Does anyone have a clue why I get this message? The error does not show up if I use root or the currently logged in user.
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16:48<sney>mpfusion: have you recently had an update to sudo, where it asked you if you wanted to keep your old /etc/sudoers or replace it with the new one from the package?
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16:49<jblaze>Well I can at least get to a graphical interface now so you're help has been greatly appreciated. Thanks again.
16:49<mpfusion>sney: don't know. I get this message since a few weeks if not months. I hoped it would be fixed, so I waited. But apparently it's an issue with my config.
16:49<mpfusion>But I don't recall having my sudoers overwritten
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16:50<sney>it's happened with sudo upgrades before, where something changes in the sudo env and sudoers needs to be updated too, and the user chooses not to accept the new sudoers file
16:50<sney>there may be an /etc/sudoers-dpkg.new or so with the relevant changes
16:50<mpfusion>But it is "su", not "sudo". So that should be unrelated.
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16:51<sney>oh, huh, I completely read that wrong
16:51<mpfusion>I googled the message and the only package containing that string is some PAM stuff
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16:52<mpfusion>It's not a big deal but it spams my mail folder. Since cron entries make heavy use of "su" to drop privileges. And I slowly get used to ignore all sytem mail, which is not good.
16:52<mpfusion>system*
16:53<sney>is this on wheezy?
16:53<mpfusion>I'm on sid
16:53<sney>ah.
16:53<sney>well, at least you get to keep all the pieces. check for a bug report, if there isn't one, make one
16:53<sney>and next time go to #debian-next as the topic suggests :P
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16:55<mpfusion>sney: ok, thanks
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17:03<N580-Noob>does anyone know if a debian dev did something to make it so any mounted usb drive would be read only? (wheezy amd64)
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17:04<N580-Noob>i cant seem to fix the permissions and yes i check for an immutable bit both user and system
17:04<N580-Noob>checked
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17:06<N580-Noob>root@debian:/media# chown pers:pers ./usb0
17:06<N580-Noob>chown: changing ownership of `./usb0': Operation not permitted
17:07<N580-Noob>any ideas?
17:07<devil_>N580-Noob: ./usb0?
17:08<N580-Noob>that's /media/usb0
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17:08<amphi>N580-Noob: how did you mount it? I find pmount very handy for removable devices, for what it's worth
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17:09<N580-Noob>i installed a package to automount usb drives, it was related to the ipod related packages
17:09<N580-Noob>now the usb drives mount for me
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17:10<N580-Noob>but with those permissions they are read only
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17:11<N580-Noob>drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 32768 Dec 31 1969 usb0
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17:14<N580-Noob>is pmount cli or gui?
17:14<sney>cli
17:16<petn-randall>N580-Noob: I guess it's just mounted read-only. Can you check the output of mount?
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17:21<N580-Noob>i think it's cuz of permissions. i'm not running as root. root has no passwd. i used sudo -s to root in konsole for that output but this user cannot write per those permissions
17:21<N580-Noob>drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 32768 Dec 31 1969 usb0
17:21<N580-Noob>those ^
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17:22<N580-Noob>wait, you are right
17:22<petn-randall>N580-Noob: No, the output of 'mount'.
17:22<N580-Noob> look at this
17:22<N580-Noob>/dev/sdb2 on /media/usb0 type vfat (rw,nodev,noexec,noatime,nodiratime,sync,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro)
17:22<N580-Noob>/dev/sdb1 on /media/usb1 type vfat (rw,nodev,noexec,noatime,nodiratime,sync,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro)
17:22<N580-Noob>from mount's output
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17:22<N580-Noob>well remount on errors
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17:23<N580-Noob>i know of no errors?
17:23<petn-randall>N580-Noob: the 'rw' at the beginning says it's mounted as writeable.
17:23<N580-Noob>yes, what i was thinking
17:23<petn-randall>N580-Noob: If there were errors, it have been mounted 'ro' by now.
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17:24<N580-Noob>it's permissions. root user and group read only for non root.
17:24<N580-Noob>drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 32768 Dec 31 1969 usb0
17:24<N580-Noob>see?
17:24<N580-Noob>this is a non root account trying to write
17:25<N580-Noob>it wont let me fix it
17:25<towo`>fmask=0022,dmask=0022 <== that's the problem
17:25<N580-Noob>root@debian:/media# chown pers:pers ./usb0
17:25<N580-Noob>chown: changing ownership of `./usb0': Operation not permitted
17:25<petn-randall>N580-Noob: FAT has no concept of ownership. You have to pass user/group via the mount process.
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17:26<towo`>chown does not work on win-fs'
17:26<N580-Noob>can i just change the ownership vice the default permissions?
17:26<towo`>remove the senseless fmask and dmask options
17:26<N580-Noob>oh!
17:26*N580-Noob smacks forehead
17:27<petn-randall>N580-Noob: Check 'man mount' for details of passing the owner/group to vfat filesystems.
17:27<N580-Noob>doing that now ...
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17:34<N580-Noob>ok i got that much figured out. fstab has no entries. i have to assume the pkg i installed included an automounter of some sort for usb drives. that must be where the issue is
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17:35<N580-Noob>i think it was a dependency for exaile?
17:36<N580-Noob>how do i get a dependency list for a package that's already installed?
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17:38<N580-Noob>i'm not finding anything on fmask or dmask. not even man pages. nothing in env output either.
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17:41<N580-Noob>nothing under man -k either
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17:45<hill707>hello
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17:51<N580-Noob>the forums mention a fmask and dmask. but not how to set them they say i need an fstab entry. which is what i'm looking into now
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17:53<N580-Noob>how do i lookup a volume name?
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17:58<N580-Noob>nm got it
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18:12<N580-Noob>ok i added a fstab entry for just that filesystem with correct ownership. hopefully this should work. thanks guys
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18:12<N580-Noob>bbl if it doesn't. gotta reboot
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18:22<N580-Noob>failed! :
18:22<N580-Noob>:{
18:23<N580-Noob>:'{
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18:24<devil_>external drives do not belong in fstab
18:24<N580-Noob>how is it possible a single filesystem can mount on 2 different directories simultaneously? especially vfat
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18:24<N580-Noob>removing the entry
18:25<N580-Noob>removed
18:25<N580-Noob>what now?
18:26<devil_>pmount don't work?
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18:28<N580-Noob>there's an automounter doing this
18:28<N580-Noob>it would be mounted before i could hit enter on a pretyped command
18:29<N580-Noob>i did install pmount tho
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18:29<N580-Noob>it wasn't there before
18:29<devil_>yeah, not preinstalled
18:30<devil_>needs no root nor a mount point, just pmount /dev/foo
18:31<N580-Noob>if i could get a dependency list for exaile, i could get the name of the package, and maybe change its configuration?
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18:31<devil_>apt-cache depends foo
18:32<devil_>and I have no clue, what package you are talking about
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18:33<devil_>or what it has to do with the problem
18:34<N580-Noob>usbmount
18:34<N580-Noob>just found it
18:34<devil_>never heard of, never needed a gui thingie for the job
18:34<devil_>what is wrong with pmount?
18:34<N580-Noob>it wasn't a dependency after all. something i found while looking for ipod support in apper
18:35<N580-Noob>nothing. i did not know it existed until you said a few min ago
18:35<devil_>does it do what you want?
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18:37<N580-Noob>well it mounted a usb drive automatically for me so yes. but it mounted with permissions that prevent this user from writing so kinda not quite yet
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18:37<N580-Noob>no man page for it.
18:37<devil_>what file system?
18:37<N580-Noob>vfat
18:37<N580-Noob>\:/
18:38<N580-Noob>:/
18:38<devil_>N580-Noob: well, then chown was the wrong tool from the start
18:38<N580-Noob>i just learned that
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18:39<devil_>N580-Noob: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux/79749-mount-fat32-shared-partition-write-permission.html
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18:41<N580-Noob>i was looking for that earlier in ice weasel. couldn't find it. thanks
18:42<amphi>N580-Noob: like I said a good while ago, pmount works perfectly for removable devices
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18:45<devil_>yes, and of course man pmount exists
18:47<N580-Noob>i was reading man pmount
18:47<N580-Noob>too
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18:47<devil_>I thought you said it does not exist
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18:49<N580-Noob>it didnt before i installed it
18:50<N580-Noob>i just found my problem i think
18:50<N580-Noob>from fdisk -l
18:50<raidensnake>hey does anyone know how to set up a live cd using UEFI?
18:50<N580-Noob>WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sdb'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted.
18:50<devil_>man pages come with the package, but can also be viewed online
18:50<raidensnake>well to boot from
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18:51<devil_>N580-Noob: the disk is formated with gpt, so fdisk does not work. but there is gdisk
18:51<amphi>N580-Noob: gdisk -l
18:51<devil_>but that has nothinjg to do with the permissions
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18:54<N580-Noob>true
18:55<N580-Noob>is there a way (partition/filesystem) to share a drive with mac os x?
18:55<N580-Noob>this drive is GPT/vfat(32)
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18:56<N580-Noob>but i can't write to it
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18:58<raidensnake>I wish i could understand this UEFI stuff
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18:58<devil_>raidensnake: can you choose legacy mode in UEFI?
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18:59<raidensnake>no
18:59<devil_>it's not there?
18:59<raidensnake>it doesn't have legacy mode
18:59<devil_>something the like?
18:59<raidensnake>nope
18:59<raidensnake>only secure/nonsecure UEFI boot
18:59<devil_>there's got to be a way to disable 'secure boot shit'
18:59<N580-Noob>i installed gdisk but it doesn't like this drive much. it wants to do some destructive editing (all data would be lost)
19:00<raidensnake>I can turn off secure mode
19:00<devil_>raidensnake: that does not make it boot?
19:00<raidensnake>but not UEFI mode itself
19:00<raidensnake>no
19:00<raidensnake>I don't know how to set up a linux disk to boot into uefi
19:00<devil_>raidensnake: uefi does not hinder booting normaly. it is just coloured BIOS
19:00<raidensnake>normal bootable drives don't work
19:01<raidensnake>mine does
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19:01<raidensnake>doesn't have legacy mode
19:01<devil_>I have a UEFI board and hab no probs at all
19:01<devil_>but it has no secure boot
19:02<raidensnake>normal disks and bootable pen drives don't start as it moans UEFI is missing.
19:02<raidensnake>it won't load
19:02<devil_>hm, I am sure, there is a debian wiki on that
19:02<Hicks_>Surprised there's a uefi only MB out at the moment
19:02<Hicks_>every one I've seen has had options to also boot legacy
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19:02<raidensnake>I'm trying rto load a live cd on a windows based tablet
19:02<Hicks_>oh
19:02<raidensnake>which is UEFI only
19:03<Hicks_>that doesn't surprise me then :)
19:03<devil_>Hicks_: it was one ofd the first UEFI boards, released with Sandy Bridge
19:03<devil_>old
19:03<raidensnake>no this one of clover something.
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19:03<raidensnake>intel based
19:04<raidensnake>I think cloverfield
19:05<raidensnake>also it uses 32-bit UEFI
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19:06<raidensnake>getting a live cd isn't the problem
19:06<raidensnake>it's just getting it to boot
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19:08<raidensnake>I'm stuck at what to do
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19:12<raidensnake>I know there is a file i have called \boot\efi\bootia32.efi which was mentioned somewhere
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19:15<raidensnake>UEFI is a pain in the arse
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19:16<raidensnake>why do they make it impossible to do anything?
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20:00<dharc>trying to access in debian lists i got this certificate error in iceweasel: (Código do erro: sec_error_untrusted_issuer)
20:00<dharc>any idea?
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22:30<pcuser>Hey, does anyone here know regex? i need some help with a simple problem
22:31<pcuser>Im trying to match a phrase in a string, the string im searching is "[test word] lorem ipsum dolar", i need to see if the string contains "[test word]" and all variations of it, e.g "[ TeStWORD ]" "[testword]" "[ test word ]" etc...
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22:34<nadir>this comes to my mind: grep -i '\[test\]' text.txt but i am not in regexes
22:35<nadir>ups: pcuser ^^
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22:42<pcuser>im using php preg_match, im a noob at regex :/
22:42<pcuser>$matches = array(); $string = '[test word] lorem ipsum dolar'; $regex = 's/test word/i'; preg_match($regex, $string,$matches); print_r($matches); is what ive got so far, not working
22:43<pcuser>it needs to match inside the brackets, so if theres no [ and ] wrapping the words 'test word' it shouldnt match
22:44<nadir>i don't know php. Usually [] is a "class", i think, hence it must be escape with a \
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22:44<nadir>i'd simply try that in php, but without much hope
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22:44<nadir>s/test/i s means substitude and i means insensitive to lower/upper case, i guess?
22:45<pcuser>im not sure, i dont get regex at all
22:45<pcuser>ive wasted 3 hours on this so far lol
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22:46<nadir>imho regex is quite difficult, but the good news: many masters of it are to be found (aka: just ask again , and give me a sec for a link)
22:47<nadir>pcuser: i don't know the regex how-to by grymoire: http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Regular.html but his how-to-about-sed is first class.
22:48<nadir>you will probably want to look at one focused at php though (regexes do differ)
22:48<pcuser>i think i've got it
22:48<pcuser>i have no idea of theres any flaws, but it seems to work so far
22:48<pcuser> /\[*.?test*.?word*.?\]/i
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22:50<nadir>that: *.? looks odd, but i really am not in the position to say anything about it
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22:52<nadir>and if it works ... who cares ...
22:52<pcuser>lol true, hopefully it'll be ok for now, after 3 hours it's good enough
22:52<nadir>:-) yup.
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23:45<N580-Noob>how does one make a usb scanner work in debian? (i have gimp and xsane and a lot of extra stuff for gimp)
23:46<N580-Noob>hardware doesnt show up in the dialogs though
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