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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-12-21

---Logopened Sat Dec 21 00:00:43 2013
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00:29<N580-Noob>does anyone know what this means? kernel:[19794.129563] Multi rfd not support yet!
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02:49<just>Hi! Dont work Fn-key brihtness after update kernel to 3.11. Notebook dell i3721. Can you help?
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03:49<elijah>hello. gnome 3 is a fine choise but i cant work well with windows and stuff cause i got a netbook wit resolution of 1024x600. are there any workarounds?
03:49<CQ>elijah: I just installed wheezy on a netbook... use openbook, its really lightweight
03:50<CQ>else try xfce. Gnome is too much on a netbook (in my opinion)
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03:50<elijah>openbook? I tryed xfce. It;s good but unly :(
03:50<elijah>ugly*
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04:01<elijah>also flash something of gnome2d on testing and sid
04:01<elijah>is buggy
04:01<elijah>when i open i window
04:01<elijah>it remains as ghost
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04:02<CQ>remains as ghost?
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04:02<CQ>I had something like that with openbox yesterday, change teh color scheme.
04:02<CQ>try running "ls" and see if something comes up
04:02<elijah>i am on ubuntu now
04:03<elijah>i cant work with gnome 3
04:03<elijah>cause of the big fond and windows
04:03<elijah>and the solid top panel
04:03<elijah>where i cant move the windows over the boarders
04:04<elijah>and no one here is able to help
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04:12<elijah>this is not a support room
04:12<elijah>is open sourch dead
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04:12<CQ>no, open source sleeps in on saturday mornings
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05:36<razvan>hi
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07:00<petn-randall>Hi Arne, stop logging onto IRC as root :)
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07:05<stderr_dk>petn-randall: It's just the nickname. It would be a much bigger problem, if it was his username.
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07:06<petn-randall>stderr_dk: I bet he gets that a lot.
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07:07<stderr_dk>But you're right, he shouldn't use that nick... "Time registered: Tue 22 Apr 2003 02:19:32 +0000 (10y 8m 0d 09:46:04 ago)"
07:08<stderr_dk>Haven't been seen for more than 8 years, so he might be able to re-register it.
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07:33<schoppenhauer>hello. how do I get debug symbols for libotr5?
07:34<schoppenhauer>they are not in libotr5-dev, apparently.
07:34<schoppenhauer>(I am trying to debug some code, that fails inside a call to libotr5)
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07:50<stderr_dk>schoppenhauer: Debug sysbols are usually in "*-dbg" packages.
07:50<schoppenhauer>stderr_dk: there is no dbg-package
07:51<petn-randall>schoppenhauer: I'd file a wishlist bug against the source, maybe the maintainer will give you a hint how to make them yourself.
07:51<schoppenhauer>:/
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07:52<schoppenhauer>why can't there be a setting that all packages should be built with debug symbols and code :/
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07:53<schoppenhauer>is it possible to find out the sourc eposition without debug symbols?
07:53<schoppenhauer>from gdb
07:54<petn-randall>schoppenhauer: Easiest way would be to do 'apt-get source libotr5', then patch the Makefile and debian/*.install to provide debug symbols, then build it with 'debuild -b'.
07:54<schoppenhauer>petn-randall: ok, I was trying to do something similar.
07:54<petn-randall>schoppenhauer: But since you and probably others would like to have some without effort, a bug report is in place.
07:54<schoppenhauer>"in place"?
07:55<abrotman>are you getting a core?
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07:55<petn-randall>schoppenhauer: err, "appriopriate" would be a better wording.
07:56<schoppenhauer>ok
07:56<schoppenhauer>I do not like to file bug reports for debian -.-
07:56<schoppenhauer>but well, I will probably do so.
07:56<stderr_dk>Bug reports are a good thing. Without them the bugs might not be fixed.
07:57<schoppenhauer>but this is not really a "bug"
07:58<abrotman>it is
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08:01<schoppenhauer>stderr_dk: ok, well, dpkg-buildflags contains -g, in any case.
08:01<schoppenhauer>stderr_dk: so this should be a debug build per default
08:02<schoppenhauer>if I build it
08:02<schoppenhauer>is this the default on the debian buildservers, too?
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08:04<stderr_dk>I have no idea...
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08:05<petn-randall>schoppenhauer: Should be, yes.
08:05<schoppenhauer>petn-randall: how can I just build everything, but not clean it up and build packages? (I usually use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot)
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08:06<petn-randall>schoppenhauer: dpkg-buildpackage -b should do it.
08:07<petn-randall>schoppenhauer: But if the source says it should have been built with debug symbols, but the binary package hasn't, I'd be suspicious. Especially with things like OTR.
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08:08<schoppenhauer>petn-randall: maybe I am wrong.
08:08<schoppenhauer>petn-randall: or did something wrong
08:09<petn-randall>schoppenhauer: Gotta go, but will read the backlog later. Would be interesting if this turns into a conspiracy ;)
08:09<schoppenhauer>cu
08:09<petn-randall>laters
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08:11<stderr_dk>petn-randall: O is the letter after N, T comes after S and a really badly written R can look like an A... Think about it... :-)
08:11<lOOza>funkicks @ casatown :(
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08:47<Mustafa>tr bilen varmı
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08:47<abrotman>!tr
08:47<dpkg>tr is probably t�rk�e yardIm i�in #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net.
08:47<abrotman>maybe?
08:48<Mustafa>no
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08:49<babilen>Mustafa: but?
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09:57*Gregor2 is away: WEG!!
09:57*Gregor2 is back (gone 00:00:12)
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09:59<devil_>Gregor2: could you please disable your away messages
09:59<just>hello. Please help. Dont work Fn-key after update kernel to 3.11. Notebook del 3721
10:00<just>dont workFn-key brihtness
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10:03<Gregor2>yes
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10:04<Gregor2>but can you tell me what "away" does?
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10:05<abrotman>it annoys us when it announces to the channel
10:05<abrotman>Gregor2: if you're using Xchat, there's a checkbox to not have it do that
10:06<Gregor2>but what is the point of that away funktion?
10:06<musca>just: i think your notebook has an intel "ivy bridge" processor with integrated intel grafics. you could try a more recent kernel from backports.
10:06<musca>!bdo kernel
10:06<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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10:18<just>musca: yes it is. i need to install 3.11 from backports?
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10:24<musca>just: was this already your reboot?
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10:25<just>yes. install kernel (3.11-0.bpo.2-amd64) from backports. Still not work Fn brightness
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10:41<musca>just: i found several hints on the kernel parameter "acpi_backlight=vendor"
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10:46<just>musca: change GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="acpi_backlight=vendor". Still not work
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10:55<jblazed>After a slightly botched dist-upgrade from Stable to testing gstreamer has blacklisted 15 files and so I can't get .mp3 or .ogg files to play. What's the best way to get these removed from the blacklist?
10:55<Guest958>Debian wiki states PCI-id the first four hex digits are the vendor the last 4 are the device but lspci produces this 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller
10:56<daemonkeeper>That's the bus ID, not the PCI ID
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10:56<abrotman>Guest958: update-pciids
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10:58<Guest958>Thanks guys
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11:19<musca>just: Did you do an 'update-grub' to activate your changes in the resulting grub.cfg?
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11:23<just>musca: yes, i was do it
11:23<musca>ok
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11:34<Hicks>If a dsc package is signed by a key that is not yet in the installed debian-keyring package, but the new key obtained from a keyserver is signed by a key in the debian-keyring, is there a better way to let dscverify work than adding --keyring mypublickeyring.gpg?
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11:37<seraphe>hi
11:37<seraphe>someone can help me?
11:37<lostatwork>!ask
11:37<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:38<seraphe>i tried to install amd proprietary drivers to solydk system, but it needs linux kernel header, which i already have when i try to install it
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11:39<seraphe>problem: fglrx installation requires that the system have kernel headers. /lib/modules/3.11-2-amd64/build/include/linux/version.h cannot be found on this system.
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11:46<keep>oi
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11:46<ompaul>!ask
11:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:48<Guest958>I get this error when configuring xorg http://paste.debian.net/72091/
11:48<Megaf>root@RaspberryPi:/home/megaf# aptitude update
11:48<Megaf>aptitude: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxapian.so.22: undefined symbol: [ZTSN6Xa2iaf18StemImpldm%n�a4yonE
11:48<Megaf>help?
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11:49<ompaul>!raspberrian
11:49<Megaf>Guest958, Why dont you /nick YourNick
11:49<ompaul>!raspberian
11:49<ompaul>gaaaa
11:49<Megaf>ompaul, theres nothing to do its a Pi
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11:49<Megaf>well
11:49<Megaf>perhaps it has
11:49<mgv>ompaul: are you looking for !raspbian?
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11:50<ompaul>mgv: how did you guess?
11:50<Megaf>!raspbian
11:50<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
11:50<Guest958>Megaf, it says my password is incorrect
11:50<mgv>that's the name of the distro
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11:50<Megaf>ompaul, I am not using raspbian, Is Debian Sid
11:50<Megaf>from Debian mirrors
11:50<Megaf>;)
11:50<Megaf>for ARM
11:50<abrotman>!enter
11:50<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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11:51<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Guest958 -about sudo redirection
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11:52<Megaf>Ok abrotman, well, as I was saying. I am currently using Debian stock, Sid. Not Raspbian. Perhaps there is some special packages from raspbian but I did the install myself, I ran the Debian installer on my Raspberry Pi
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11:52<blast007>Megaf: testing/unstable support is in #debian-next (as shown in topic)
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11:53<Megaf>Ok, so this is quite a useless channel
11:53<abrotman>Megaf: perhaps your system is out of date?
11:53<abrotman>Megaf: does apt-get update work ?
11:53<Megaf>abrotman, I'm updating it right now with apt-get dist-upgrade, Yes, apt-get update does work. Thanks.
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11:56<Guest958>gsimmons, that may be the answer but I don't understand how?
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12:31<Megaf>Hi all, how can I fix this http://paste.debian.net/72098/ ? It's some problem with the ufc package
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12:32<Megaf>"files list file for package `ucf' contains empty filename"
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12:33<Megaf>I think google helped me, let me try this http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=53431
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12:37<Fenhl>Hello. Is there a way to programmatically check whether a new version of debian is available?
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12:39<Fenhl>I would like to be informed about any available os upgrades via my shell startup script, ideally with a link to the patch notes.
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12:40<Fenhl>(“new version” as in, newer than what's currently running on my machine)
12:41<blast007>Fenhl: there is apticron that might do what you want
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12:42<Fenhl>blast007: thanks, that looks like it could be useful
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12:59<Guest964>As pre the Debian wiki this is the proper command http://paste.debian.net/72102/
12:59<Guest964>so why the error
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13:21<Hicks>I'm trying to do a backport build with cowbuilder to keep build deps out of my normal install. When I do a manual backport there's a dch --local step to update change log, anyone know how that would be done when using cowbuilder --build ?
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13:42<nathan>I need help. For some reason every time I open up Chromium or Change the mouse cursor on Debian 7 KDE, my cursor starts blinking. I have no idea what it's problem is :/
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13:43<sney>nathan: kde does a lot of compositing. what gpu and driver are you using?
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13:45<nathan>I have an AMD video card with an Xorg driver. I would like to install the flgrx driver, but for some reason I can't install proprietary drivers on Debian.
13:45<nathan>At least i THINK I have an Xorg driver
13:46<sney>yeah, the included driver for those gpus is called 'radeon'. that's probably what you're using, and I bet your blinking cursor problem would be solved if you enabled non-free and installed the package 'firmware-linux-nonfree'
13:46<sney>it includes a binary blob that enables some restricted features in the radeon driver
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13:47<sney>fglrx is packaged in non-free as well, as fglrx-driver
13:48<nathan>i have many DEs installed. On KDE my cursor keeps blinking and when I try to run GNOME 3, it says "GNOME 3 has failed to load" are these issues caused by the same problem>
13:48<nathan>?*
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13:48<sney>quite likely
13:49<nathan>So to install proprietary video driver I use the command "apt-get install flgrx-driver-nonfree" ?
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13:49<sidney_>nathan good luck
13:50<nathan>Why? Am I doing something wrong?
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13:51<sidney_>nathan, I just going to follow the instructiond given to you
13:51<nathan>You're going to?
13:52<abrotman>nathan: just try it
13:53<nathan>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
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13:53<nathan>I used these commands from Debian wiki:
13:53<nathan># aptitude update
13:53<nathan># aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') fglrx-driver
13:53<sidney_>is synaptic opened
13:53<nathan>No
13:54<abrotman>what does synaptic have to do with it?
13:54<abrotman>nathan: does that command work or not ?
13:54<sidney_>I got that error before when it was opened
13:55<abrotman>nathan: try it again, if not, we'll remove the lock file
13:55<nathan>Okay, should I use the nonfree repos?
13:55<nathan>Enable*
13:55<abrotman>yes
13:56<nathan>Okay, I always do that through synaptic. Let me do it, hang on
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13:56<nathan>Hmm, I got an error message
13:57<nathan>It says : unable to get exclusive lock
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14:02<nathan>It says in the terminal "manual configuration required to enable flgrx driver
14:02<sney>it probably says to read a file that explains how to do that
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14:14<rryoumaa>when aptitude says "open: 10; closed: 5; defer: 2; conflict: 2" is there a command to show which packages fit each of those categories and what they mean?
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14:22<amoe>what's the purpose of ~/.xsession vs ~/.xsessionrc?
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14:30<rryoumaa>probably convention
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14:52<blueman>boa tarde
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15:26<emilithe>who
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15:50<Guest983>Ouch now the system refuses to boot. Hope recovery mode works
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16:00<rryoumaa>where in the user's guide are these terms explained? "open: 10; closed: 5; defer: 2; conflict: 2"
16:01<babilen>rryoumaa: Not sure if they are discussed at all, but your best bet would be /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README I guess
16:02<rryoumaa>babilen: thanks. defer is not even in that document. :/
16:02<rryoumaa>what is the switch to make aptitude show which packages it is referring to?
16:03<rryoumaa>or is it some internal thing nobody needs to care about?
16:03<Guest983>If the startx command gives the error not found the install is more or less trashed?
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16:04<agentcasey>i recently upgraded from squeeze to wheezy. my console fonts were really small by comparison i adjusted the fonts by modifying /etc/defaults/console-setup the fonts are perfect now. I'm missing a step though, because the entire screen is not being utilized. is this a resolution issue now and how does one tackle it?
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16:20<babilen>rryoumaa: I never had to care about it. You might want to look into apt-cudf though and give it a try with "apt-get --solver aspcud ..."
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16:23<abrotman>remember when cupt was a thinkg ?
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16:26<babilen>yeah
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16:27<jemadux>any good ftp server for debian ?
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16:28<lostatwork>sure many
16:28<abrotman>plenty, but do you really need FTP ?
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16:29<linuxator>jemadux, try sftp or something ftp is old
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16:29<sney>!sftp
16:29<dpkg>sftp is a program that provides FTP-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel and is usually what you should be using instead of ftp://ftp. Linux clients are in the packages openssh-client, filezilla, gftp and many file managers like dolphin, konqueror and nautilus. The server is in the package openssh-server. For Windows clients, ask me about <winscp>, <filezilla>. See also <scp> and <sshfs>.
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16:39<rudi_s>!ftp must die
16:39<dpkg>FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html
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19:04<saaa>Hey
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19:05<saaa>What is the name of the QT 4 package?
19:06<saaa>Or maybe ncurses...
19:06<saaa>ncurses-bin ?
19:07<mtn>saaa: http://packages.debian.org
19:07<saaa>mtn, I did apt-cache search as well as used aptitude.
19:07<saaa>I'm not seeing anything.
19:07<SamB>saaa: what do you want it for?
19:08<abrotman>saaa: packages.debian.org/libqt
19:08<SamB>(that affects which package you want)
19:08<saaa>I have ncurses-bin but make menuconfig complains of no ncurses...
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19:09<abrotman>saaa: it wants libncurses
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19:09<saaa>as well, libqt wasn't found.
19:09<saaa>stable install.
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19:10<abrotman>saaa: apt-cache search libqt
19:10<abrotman>dpkg: tell saaa about search
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19:12<saaa><saaa> mtn, I did apt-cache search as well as used aptitude.
19:12<saaa>sorry./
19:12<saaa>libqt not qt4
19:12<saaa>selective search
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20:26<petn-randall>stderr_dk: ANNS? I don't get your letter substitution.
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20:27<stderr_dk>petn-randall: I forgot what I wrote, but I probably meant for it to be NSA.
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20:32<petn-randall>stderr_dk: If in doubt, it was the NSA ;)
20:33<stderr_dk>Always. :-)
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20:37<wllhck>ola
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20:41<wllhck>ola
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20:41<wllhck>helou
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20:42<petn-randall>wllhck: Yes, hello.
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20:49<wllhck>ola
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20:51<wllhck>Tem alguem aqui?
20:51<abrotman>!br
20:51<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
20:51<abrotman>I think ?
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21:07<veindrain>anyone here that is using his debian box dhcp server ?
21:07<sney>!anyone
21:07<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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21:11<veindrain>ok then i'll just shoot it: any ideas why the machines under my server keep doing dhcp requests every 10minutes? I have setup the lease times to 1 day and 7 days max
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21:12<Apollo>and which os are those machines running?
21:12<sney>veindrain, dhcp requests are a clientside thing unrelated to the lease time
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21:13<veindrain>machines are win7 and macos
21:13<SamB>sney: totally unrelated?
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21:13<veindrain>i can relate those requests with temporary hangouts
21:14<sney>SamB, well, I guess I could think of a situation where they could affect one another, but with expected defaults... unrelated.
21:14<SamB>yeah
21:15<SamB>veindrain: is there a PROBLEM with those requests happening every 10 minutes?
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21:16<Apollo>this is indeed the clients "fault", not the server
21:16<veindrain>let me paste 2-3 lines from syslog at the point this happens
21:18<veindrain>dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.1.101 from 00:13:21:6f:e6:58 via eth1
21:18<veindrain>dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.1.101 to 00:13:XX:XX:XX:XX via eth1
21:19<Apollo>and?...
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21:19<SamB>is there a PROBLEM?
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21:19<Apollo>thats a normally functioning dhcp interaction right there
21:19<Apollo>"dude, do I still have X"
21:20<Apollo>"yeah man, all good"
21:20<veindrain>the network on any machine that does teh request hangups for seconds i can see services closing and reopening etc
21:20<SamB>hmm
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21:20<Apollo>thats an issue with the clients, not the server
21:21<Apollo>and since the clients are windows and os x...
21:21<SamB>well, it might be related to latency in servicing the requests
21:21<veindrain>and ios, just saw the iphone doing it
21:21<SamB>we have no indication of that
21:21<Apollo>we have no indication of anything
21:22<Apollo>well, the indication that everything is working as advertised
21:23<veindrain>to elaborate a bit more the debian box is connected with pppoe to eth0 and gives the internets to eth1 via dhcp. iptables fw etc are setup
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22:23<felipe>hi
22:25<felipe>need some help with sound on 7.3 plz
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23:53<serre>Is there a way to get a list of installed packages that do not have a exactly matching version in testing? I.e. stuff I pulled from sid or a third party sight that has a matching package name in testing.
23:54<abrotman>dpkg: tell serre about which repo
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23:55<serre>thanks
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