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00:25<luc>anyone recompiled kernel 3.10??????
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00:26<luc>whisp me
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00:30<luc>anyone recompiled kernel 3.10??????
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01:07<shadowpho>Hello! I am not sure what release of debian I am runnning. /etc/issues and lsb_release give me different answer: http://pastebin.com/rt11CBwd . How can I fix this? Is this a problem?
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01:15<dualbus>cat /etc/debian_version
01:16<shadowpho>thank you, dualbus! It says jessie/sid
01:16<shadowpho>Hmm. Does that mean testing/unstable?
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01:19<dualbus>I guess :) I don't know
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01:20<shadowpho>haha
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01:36<shadowpho>For some reason my linux-headers-amd64 point to 3.2+46, while my uname -a says I am running kernel 3.11-2-amd64
01:36<shadowpho>Why is there a discreptency?
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01:41<nevyn>shadowpho: what's in sources?
01:42<shadowpho>3.2. I think it's because I pulled nvidia-current from unstable, and it pulled new kernel as well...
01:42<nevyn>shadowpho: ah. you're running unstable.
01:42<shadowpho>kinda...
01:43<shadowpho>I run testing with pinning for unstable
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02:26<shadowpho>:q
02:26<shadowpho>sorry :S
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02:35<shadowpho>Um, where can I find support for nvidia drivers? I feel like I am doing something wrong with xorg.conf
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02:46<devil> shadowpho https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
02:46<shadowpho>yep, followed that to the letter
02:47<devil>and?
02:48<shadowpho>black screen :(
02:48<devil>right driver for your card?
02:48<shadowpho>yep, loads nvidia, I do sudo Xorg, black screen
02:49<shadowpho>for some reason it starts on VT8
02:49<devil>sudo Xorg? what is that supposed to do?
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02:50<devil>what card do you have and what driver did you install?
02:50<shadowpho>I have 560 ti, installed nvidia-driver
02:50<devil>which version?
02:51<shadowpho>319.76-1
02:51<shadowpho>oh!
02:51<shadowpho>i got it to work. wrong VT for me ;)
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02:52<shadowpho>Thank you though! Hopefully I will be on my way to openCL soon!
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03:40<mistnim>hello debian, I have a laptop-server on the roof, I want to install debian from my pc downstairs. I can go there put the cd and maybe stay there some minutes to do something, but I can't stay there to follow the all installation. How do I do it?
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03:52<shadowpho>mistnim, I think there's a netinstall where you guide installation through ssh
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03:58<musca>!network console
03:58<dpkg>from memory, ssh install is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03#network-console (obsolete article at http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html). See also <hd-media>, <debootstrap>.
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04:00<adri>Hello to all, Merry Christmas to start. And another time I asked a similar question here, but I really need consultation with you. I use Intel processor that Intel's old Kore 2 duo, using 8 GB Ram is recommended to use the amd64 version. But even apt works slowly when installing packages on i386 things are a little faster.
04:01<adri>recognize amd64 7.8 GB RAM, 7.9 GB RAM i386
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04:01<mj>hi
04:01<mj>who uses transmissions?
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04:02<adri>100 MB RAM with priority given to bigmen kernel? on i386 ?
04:02<mj>are there problems with? i dont understand - it dosnt download anymore at full speed, in configuration there are no limits at all, there are seeders but the downloading speed is max 12kbps..
04:03<mj>adri, 2.4
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04:24<shadowpho>!help
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04:27<musca>"sudo Xorg" :-/
04:28<musca>shadowpho: Xorg is never started as root.
04:28<shadowpho>oh
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04:29<musca>a user can do startx for his own session, or you use a display manager
04:30<shadowpho>ok, I have gdm. I think eventually gdm started to do it's thing
04:30<musca>!display manager
04:30<dpkg>DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app, <slim> and <lightdm> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer . For the deb-multimedia repository, ask me about <dmm>.
04:30<musca>gdm3 is okay :)
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04:32<shadowpho>oo, thank you!
04:32<shadowpho>by the way, is there any way to make aptitude forget about all packages?
04:34<musca>shadowpho: you surely have a reason to ask that. Let's talk about the real question.
04:35<shadowpho>The reason my gdm was broken was because I had stable, and I had pinning for testing\unstable
04:35<shadowpho>I want to resolve the problem by removing pinning for unstable, and upgrade to stable
04:35<shadowpho>I am following the guide on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html, but it's being unhappy with my packages
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04:37<musca>if you remove some of your sources (e.g. comment out some lines for unstable) you can do "aptitude update"
04:39<shadowpho>ah! thanks :). Now aptitude upgrade is upgrading 1300 packages
04:39<musca>but still your installed packages from unstable depend on other packages (or versions) from unstable
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04:40<shadowpho>hm. Wouldn't dist-upgrade take care of that?
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04:44<musca>well ... i have no experience with your special situation as i avoid mixing stable with unstable. i prefer to use backports.
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04:46<shadowpho>yeah
04:46<shadowpho>I am learning my lesson
04:47<musca>shadowpho: if no backport of your desired application is available you still can try a "simple sid backport"
04:47<musca>!ssb
04:47<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
04:48<shadowpho>thank you :)
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04:56<shadowpho>I jsut got apt-get to say "Internal error, Upgrade broke stuff" :<
04:59<shadowpho>time to reinstall to unstable :)
04:59<shadowpho>good luck guys!
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05:03<dovah>is there a way i can get hot corners in debian 7 gnome
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05:04<mohamed>nice
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05:14<bernat>dovah: don't you already have hot corners?
05:15<dovah>oh i cant find the control panels for it
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05:16<dovah>in mint you can assign a hot corner to do command line i was wondering if i could do that in debian
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05:18<zcd>does anyone have experience with dzen2?
05:19<zcd>i piped in a font in xlfd format but it outputs gibberish
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06:54<keep>oi
06:55<keep>ops
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06:58<ixi>I have in dmesg: ata6: SATA link up
06:58<ixi>but how do I find out which /dev/sd* is ata6 ?
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06:59<ixi>nvm found it
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08:03<CQ>anyone have good pointers to docs for setting up a high availability cluster? I'm just looking at two machines
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08:07<BrZ>Greetings Could somebody help with Debian as desktop. I can't record any sound. I can't get it work after dist upgrade in wheezy. playing sound works anyway
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08:10<SynrG>BrZ: using gnome?
08:11<BrZ>well primarily KDE but I don't mind gnome either
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08:11<SynrG>using pulseaudio, then?
08:12<BrZ>Right I use pulseaudio
08:12<SynrG>so you've checked all the pulseaudio settings to make sure your input source is set correctly?
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08:14<SynrG>i'm not sure what kde includes for that, but you could use pavucontrol
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08:17<SynrG>e.g. Input Devices > QuickCam Pro 4000 Analog Mono > Port: Microphone & check the green checkbox "Set as fallback"
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08:17<BrZ>Yes it does you mean pavucontrol inputsources It does'nt record anything but noidse
08:17<SynrG>also, i can see with the meter there that it has volume
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08:18<BrZ>It doesn't show info about my hardware just something like inner sound source
08:18<SynrG>any scrollbar? other sound sources available?
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08:18<SynrG>"Built-in Audio Analog Stereo", you mean?
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08:19<BrZ>that's it in english I guess
08:19<SynrG>ok. that's the motherboard's sound chipset
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08:19<SynrG>got the Port set correctly?
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08:20<SynrG>mine has three settings: Line In, Front Microphone, Rear Microphone
08:21<BrZ>where do you mean it? I don't have any settings in pavucontrtol's settings tab
08:21<SynrG>Input Devices
08:21<SynrG>under "Built-in Audio Analog Stereo"
08:22<SynrG>i have three lines: Port:"
08:22<SynrG>"Front Left" and "Front Right"
08:22<SynrG>and then at the bottom, a meter.
08:22<SynrG>is your Port set correctly?
08:23<SynrG>and if so, is it unmuted? (see the mute toggle button on the top line) and "set as fallback" (green checkmark toggle button) selected?
08:24<SynrG>and do the channels (two sliders if there are two, or one if it is mono) have volume?
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08:27<SynrG>BrZ: if you're recording noise, it sounds to me like you have an input source and port selected that has no active mic connected to it
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08:29<SynrG>BrZ: if you could start pavucontrol with: LANG=C pavucontrol &
08:29<SynrG>then do a screenshot. maybe i could help sort it out
08:29<BrZ>SynrG: Ok I'll make a screenshot :-)
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08:34<Mistress_Artemis>hi, i am trying to find a bondage channel, can anyone help me?
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08:36<CQ>try #emacs
08:36<stderr_dk>:-)
08:36<caravel>huhu
08:36<BrZ>SynrG: could you check http://brz.dyndns.org/test/screenshot01.png
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08:38<SynrG>BrZ: you didn't use LANG=C like i said, but ok ...
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08:38<stderr_dk>Mistress_Artemis: You'll have more luck if you ask Google or one of the other search engines.
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08:39<SynrG>BrZ: so i guess your input devices don't have multiple ports like mine, hence, no "Port:".
08:40<SynrG>BrZ: please put the output of this command at paste.debian.net: LANG=C amixer -c0
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08:41<gnansan>Hello Every One
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08:41<gnansan>I need some help with identifying the webcam drivers for my new debian install
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08:42<gnansan>i need to know what core drivers are required for say sth like a cheese etc
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08:42<gnansan>without actually installing cheese
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08:43<stderr_dk>gnansan: apt-get and aptitude has a --simulate option.
08:44<SynrG>typically your kernel would already include whatever driver you need. what kind of webcam do you have?
08:44<BrZ>http://paste.debian.net/72608/
08:44<gnansan>in on acer 5745 notebook 1st gen i5, deb wheez
08:45<BrZ>SynrG: http://paste.debian.net/72608/
08:45<SynrG>BrZ: lines 60 and 61. capture is "off"
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08:46<SynrG>BrZ: hmm. not sure if it is really relevant. Capture is set on a separate channel called "Capture" (line 113 and following)
08:47<SynrG>BrZ: but see lines 66 through 69. it indicates there are two Mic and the one that is selected is Mic1. i guess these are front and back mic jacks ...
08:47<SynrG>BrZ: are you using the right one?
08:48<SynrG>gnansan: that really doesn't tell me anything. maybe "lsusb" would be useful here to identify the USB ID
08:48<gnansan>stderr_dk, yes it does show dependencies. thanks for that
08:48<SynrG>the dependencies aren't "drivers" though
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08:49<SynrG>the drivers for your devices are a part of the kernel (except in some special cases where drivers are in userspace, but this is typically not the case for webcams)
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08:50<stderr_dk>gnansan: What are you really trying to do?
08:50<gnansan>http://paste.debian.net/72609/
08:51<SynrG>gnansan: maybe also the output of v4l-info
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08:51<stderr_dk>Does judd have something like pciid, but for usb devices?
08:51<gnansan>im trying to offline install webcam supported drives
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08:52<SynrG>gnansan: as i said, you would not normally need to install anything extra to make it work. but v4l-info will tell us if your kernel already detects your webcam.
08:52<gnansan>i dont have the bnary for v4l-info
08:52<gnansan>cant find cmd
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08:53<stderr_dk>v4l-conf: /usr/bin/v4l-info
08:53<SynrG>gnansan: apt-get install v4l-conf
08:53<gnansan>cant find any thing for apt-cache search v4l-info
08:54<gnansan>ok
08:54<SynrG>gnansan: apt-file search. not apt-cache search.
08:54<gnansan>no pack located
08:54<SynrG>gnansan: and if you don't have apt-file installed, you might as well install that now too :)
08:54<CQ>anyone running owncloud know where teh logfiles are ? apache logfiles are no help...
08:55<SynrG>gnansan: "no pack located" for what? vrl-conf? or apt-file?
08:55<SynrG>v4l-conf* pardon
08:56<gnansan>it done identify v4l-conf
08:56<gnansan>but didnt for v4l-info
08:56<gnansan>i should've tried v4l-conf
08:56<gnansan>rather.. thanks for that
08:56<BrZ>check http://paste.debian.net/72613/ I changed to Mic2 in alsamixer
08:56<SynrG>gnansan: as i said, "apt-file search" can be used to locate which package a file is in. but you need to install apt-file for that
08:57<gnansan>ok
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08:58<caravel>[...cont'd] So, install from 7-3-0 CD1 iso went fine, despite apt failing to config the pendrive as "cdrom" hence behaving more like a netinstall, and I left the installer at the grub step last night.
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08:58<SynrG>BrZ: as i indicated above, there are "capture" toggles per input channel. those can be toggled in alsamixer too.
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08:58<BrZ>I don't get Why do I have two mic
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08:58<BrZ>ok' I'll ceck alsamixer
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08:59<SynrG>BrZ: re two mic, as i said, probably a front jack and back jack.
09:00<caravel>[...] Then today, black screen... something wrong with power saving obviously, and I coulnd't find anyway to "recover" the install display :s
09:00<SynrG>BrZ: some cases have front mic jacks. some don't. but the sound chipset should support both.
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09:02<caravel>Is there a way to get the installer "re-start and complete" the setup where it was left?
09:02<SynrG>gnansan: anyway, that particular device should be supported by uvcvideo, which is in the kernel. so, no separate packages need to be installed to make it work
09:02<SynrG>gnansan: if you have mplayer you can test with mplayer tv://
09:03<SynrG>gnansan: or vlc v4l://
09:03<gnansan>SynrG, http://paste.debian.net/72614/ v4l-info
09:03<SynrG>like i said. see line 6. uvcvideo.
09:04<gnansan>oh.. yes
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09:04<SynrG>also check the output of "groups"
09:04<SynrG>so long as you are in the "video" group, you should be able to access that device
09:04<CQ>can someone tell me why I have an old version of roundcube isntalled (0.7.2-9+deb7u1) when apt-cache show roundcube shows a newer version (0.9.5-1~bpo70+1)
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09:05<gnansan>yes.. im in vides group
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09:05<CQ>...and p.d.o shows only the old version http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=roundcube&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all ???
09:05<gnansan>*video
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09:07<CQ>nvm, got it... I had backports in my sources, but the normal version installed
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09:09<gnansan>SynrG, i dont have mplayer, i got vlc in, how to access using v4l:// protocol
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09:15<caravel>[...] Well, the only input that responded was... Ctrl-Alt-Del :s
09:15<caravel>So, I've tried the rescue mode and it finds it all.
09:15<caravel>Indeed grub wasn't installed, so I tried to grub-install /dev/sda and it says it can't find the disk (?)
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09:17<caravel>But I'm sure I can do that from another chroot than the rescue one (which I never much used)
09:17<caravel>My question is, would I still miss other installation steps, which I'll have to complete manually?
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09:18<mtn>caravel: https://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover
09:19<BrZ>SynrG: thanks you tried to help I'll give a next try later bye
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09:20<caravel>mtn: thanks, like I said I know how to chroot systems, even from a dropbear :)
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09:20<caravel>My question is, will I miss other install steps? Is it just "better" to restart the whole thing?
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09:21<caravel>In which case, I'll burn the ISO to optical media instead, with hope apt finds its "cdrom" this time and avoids to re-download it all from mirrors :s
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09:23<gnansan>how do i test v4l ?
09:24<stderr_dk><SynrG> gnansan: or vlc v4l://
09:24<caravel>I'm still in the rescue mode right now, and as I expected, I can see it did not register the user (I remember from the installer messages during previous installs, it does so *after* grub step)
09:24<caravel>i.e. user is not in /etc/passwd
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09:25<caravel>(but if it's the only other thing, I'll happily run a adduser myself)
09:25<mtn>caravel: if I had a failed install, I would start over
09:25<gnansan>still not clear, stderr_dk
09:25<gnansan>where am i supposed to give it?
09:26<caravel>mtn: it wasn't "failed", but "aborted" due to energy saving weirdness, while at grub install step screen
09:26<SynrG>gnansan: either "mplayer tv://" or "vlc v4l://" from a terminal
09:26<mtn>caravel: most things that have been aborted are failed as well ;)
09:27<gnansan>oh.. gotcha
09:27<gnansan>thanks:)
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09:27<caravel>mtn: ok then :) I'll take your advise, thanks :/
09:27<caravel>advice*
09:27<mtn>caravel: hope it goes better this time
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09:28<caravel>mtn: well, I've made another pendrive -- I'll try that one just to see if the "apt cdrom" issue is reproducible
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09:28<mtn>caravel: how did you make the usb drive?
09:28<caravel>mtn: dd
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09:29<mtn>caravel: ok. that should work fine then.
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09:29<caravel>mtn: (and, yes, I did gpg --verify and shasum the ISO, dl by torrent)
09:29<caravel>like I discussed yesterday, that was not a big deal, but I assume it should NOT happen
09:30<caravel>(and I haven't seen that on 7-2, but that was another hardware)
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09:58<astio>Hi, I've installed jessie on my laptop. For Nvidia Optimus support do I have to install primus + bumblebee packages or just the nvidia-driver package?
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10:00<petn-randall>astio: jessie is best support on #debian-next, where all the other jessie/sid users hang out :)
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10:00<astio>petn-randall: thank you.
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10:21<caravel>abrotman, babilen, mtn, sney: Thanks for your hearing :) Good news, second pendrive from same CD1 iso did *not* reproduce my "apt cdrom" issue, all going well so far. Hence, that flash memory must be just dying, I will verify it.
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10:23<caravel>Out of curiosity -- Fedora has a nice little shasum tool available from boot menu on each of their images. That's quite handy to double-check the usability of resulting "burnt" medias. Is there any plan for this in Debian images?
10:24<petn-randall>caravel: IIRC it's there, in the expert menu.
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10:24<caravel>Oh? Missed to see it, will look again thanks
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10:32<caravel>petn-randall: OK. indeed if you launch the Expert Install mode, it comes up https://i.imgur.com/UQJOEuo.png thank you. In my view, it would be good to have it "earlier" as in Fedora, eg. from the Advanced menu https://i.imgur.com/QzoKJTM.png , so that all users would see it here.
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10:34*caravel no longer needs Expert Install since we can LVM+LUKS in the standard one :)
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10:36<caravel>and I doubt non-Ecperts will figure they need to give "/dev/sda" as a path to CDRom on pendrives
10:37<caravel>Experts*
10:37<caravel>(to allow for the integrity check to be conducted)
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10:40<caravel>« The CD-ROM integrity test was successful. The CD-ROM is valid »
10:40<abrotman>isn't that why it's in the expert menu ?
10:41<caravel>:)
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10:42<caravel>... so the reason for my "apt cdrom" issue with that particular pendrive must be another one, and out of reach for my understanding :)
10:43<jugglinmike1>I'm having trouble configuring the "middle-click-to-scroll" behavior on a Thinkpad T431s. Has anyone here been able to set that up on a recent Thinkpad?
10:43<caravel>abrotman: yes, my point was, integrity check could help even better non-Expert than Experts
10:43<abrotman>jugglinmike1: still? :(
10:44<caravel>jugglinmike1: did you look at thinkwiki.org yet? I don't know if there is specific advice for you on this place, but that'd be the first place I'd look
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10:46<jugglinmike1>abrotman: Yup :/ It's looking like it might be a bug in x, though https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/1246683 I've taken your advice and have started asking in #xorg on Freenode, but no response yet
10:46<jugglinmike1>caravel: There is, but the instructions there do not work
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10:47*caravel is sorry to hear that, best of luck and hope you'll fix these instructions when you solve it :)
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10:48<jugglinmike>caravel: Good idea; will do
10:48<jugglinmike>if-and-when
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11:18<Ork>hi there!
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11:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:16<shtrb>how can I stop wpa_supplicant process ? tried wpa_cli -p /var/run/wpa_supplicant terminate and tried kill pid (as a workaround I removed /etc/dbus-1/system.d/wpa_supplicant to a different dir) ?
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13:15<mkj>Hey, I'm having this problem getting a SATA RAID1 set up for a fresh Debian install on two 2GB disks. I have been following this guide: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid and managed to complete all steps, but I can't seem to boot properly
13:16<mkj>First issue is that it complains about not finding the dm-raid45 module in modules.dep
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13:17<mkj>The definitive failing step happens when it tries to run fsck, and it complains about not being able top open the partition that should get mounted to /home
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13:19<mkj>it looks in /dev/mapper/isw_somerandomchars_VolumeNamep6, note the 'p' before the number which is not present if I list the contents of /dev/mapper, i.e. there's a /dev/mapper/jsw_somerandomchars_VolumeName6 file
13:19<mkj>I already tried reinstalling several times to no avail
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13:20<mkj>I'm sorta stuck, so I would _really_ appreciate some help
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13:21<mkj>FYI, I'm installing from a 7.3 netinstall image (amd64)
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13:22<keep>Oie
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13:33<jeremyb>abrotman: do you know the reason for the *!*@199.2.242.199 ban?
13:34<jeremyb>that was apparently 2013-11-07 18:58:47 UTC.
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13:35<abrotman>jeremyb: on you ?
13:36<jeremyb>abrotman: no
13:36<abrotman>who's asking ?
13:36*abrotman looks
13:36<jeremyb>someone in another channel. who i will vouch for
13:36<jeremyb>fugit
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13:36<jeremyb>http://www.debian-administration.org/users/fugit/weblog/9
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13:36<abrotman>i was the one that set it
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13:36<mccloud>login
13:36<jeremyb>abrotman: that's why i hilighted you :)
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13:37<mlaks>hello. i recently figured out how to get dual monitor working with the radeon driver, rather than the fglrx and in order to do it I switched to a later Xorg from sid. now i have no sound. I seem to have all the drivers loaded. I have a asus motherboa with Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
13:37<abrotman>jeremyb: not sure what that link has to do with it ?
13:37<jeremyb>abrotman: you said "who's asking". that's who
13:38*abrotman doesn't see anythign related to the ban on that page?
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13:38<jeremyb>abrotman: no, the page is related to why he was trying to /join today
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13:38-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*@199.2.242.199] by abrotman
13:38<mlaks>and the appropriate lsmod|grep snd shows snd_hda_intel and when i do or i in /dev/snd/*; do echo $i; sudo lsof $i; done
13:38-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
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13:39<abrotman>jeremyb: his client cycled about four dozen times in 10 minutes
13:39<mlaks>i get pulseaudi 4921 speech-dispatcher 19u CHR 116,7 0t0 1295 /dev/snd/controlC0
13:39<mlaks>pulseaudi 4921 speech-dispatcher 25u CHR 116,7 0t0 1295 /dev/snd/controlC0
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13:39<abrotman>kept rejoining, then quiting
13:39<jeremyb>abrotman: 26 18:23:46 < fugit13> I wonder if it is from the day we had the ISP issue and I kept bouncing in and out.
13:39<abrotman>yes
13:39<mlaks>so even if i kill them and restart still no sound
13:39<abrotman>bad removed
13:39<abrotman>ban
13:39<mlaks>and i did amixer etc.
13:39<mlaks>speaker-test etc
13:40<abrotman>jeremyb: side note, I thought openvz was dead and LXC was the way forward?
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13:41<jeremyb>abrotman: hah. this guy's been using openvz at least since DebConf10... not sure if he's tried lxc
13:41<jeremyb>26 18:40:12 < abrotman> jeremyb: side note, I thought openvz was dead and LXC was the way forward?
13:42<jeremyb>(i probably asked and forgot what his lxc answer is)
13:42<abrotman>okay
13:42<abrotman>oh fugit13 got back in
13:43<jeremyb>yes, hence my paste :)
13:43<abrotman>gotcha
13:43<jeremyb>fugit13: speak!!
13:43<fugit13>jeremyb;abrotman: thanks I'm back in
13:43<jeremyb>and now fugit13's tab key is suddenly working
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13:44<mkj>regarding my problem stated above; I manually removed the 'p' characters that had gotten added to my RAID volume name in /etc/fstab and the system booted up just fine
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13:44<fugit13>Trying to fix a bonding vlan issue on wheeyz that I am having details are here: http://www.debian-administration.org/users/fugit/weblog/9
13:44<mkj>not sure if there is a bug, or if I will run into further issues down the road
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13:45<jeremyb>fugit13: abrotman was asking why you're using openvz at all
13:46<fugit13>o yeah, I have been using sense 2010 I think
13:46<abrotman>Right, but I thought it was sort of dying and LXC was the way forward?
13:46<abrotman>don't get me wrong, if itw orks for you, good luck .. just asking a question really
13:47<fugit13>abrotman: there are several posts about replacing openvz with lxc. I looked into again this time prior to setting up wheezy with openvz. I concluded openvz was still the right answer for now.
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13:47<fugit13>abrotman: let me find some of the posts speaking about the difference
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13:49<abrotman>nope, if you're okay with that, good enough for me
13:50<fugit13>abrotman: if I remember correctly one of the missing things was disk quotes,
13:51<ompaul>fugit13: general consensus is it is gone the way of GTK2 for want of a badly fitting analogy
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13:53<abrotman>ompaul: no, because damnit, GTK2 won't die :)
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13:53<ompaul>hahaha
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13:58<fugit13>ompaul: I think it is still popular choice but if lxc can reach feature parity then it is doomed...
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15:51<polix>I would like to switch to systemd. Is the command "apt-get install systemd" enough, or should I do more?
15:52<sney>!systemd
15:52<dpkg>systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd is shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy". http://wiki.debian.org/systemd http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #debian-systemd (irc.oftc.net) and #systemd (irc.freenode.net).
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15:53<polix>sney: thank you
15:54<Ryccardo>pssst - even in sid it isn't a default yet :)
15:54<polix>Ryccardo: you mean systemd?
15:54<Ryccardo>yep
15:54<sney>it's still possible to use it.
15:55<sney>the fight over what init system will replace sysv is ongoing but until then we can test everything
15:55<ompaul>polix: you ready for it to break in new and interesting ways and you get to keep the pieces?
15:55<Ryccardo>and I don't mean it's unstable or something like that, just that Debian is one of the few that still use my preferred system
15:55<polix>if I do "apt-get install systemd" the old initsystem will be shot down?
15:56<polix>hello ompaul
15:56<ompaul>polix: you must read those pages to prepare (at least the first one) there is more than just an apt-get install
15:56<polix>ompaul: ok, thank you
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16:04<devil>siduction has a release with systemd aout
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16:04<devil>out even
16:05<sney>devil, how's support for that going :P
16:05<polix>good evening devil
16:05<devil>sney: it's ok so far, no big problems other than a changed set of commands
16:06<devil>just been out a couple of days
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19:37<leo>hello
19:37-!-rryoumaa [~unknown@ip68-226-110-213.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #debian
19:37<leo>im from Bordeaux fr
19:37<leo>the time to Xmas to
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19:42<leo>i now is too much crying about an old Broadcom wifi chipset that would ain't up in sytem config
19:43<leo>@ for ever !
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19:45<leo>mike jones was here
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19:48<leo>allez ! Trés Bonne Année a tous !
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19:51<TheStagg>hi
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20:11<user>Oi !
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20:12<Guest1495>oh
20:13<Guest1495>Porque no puedo tener mi nombre ?
20:13<Guest1495>ziva !
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21:05<oopax>hi
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22:21<knoppix_>hola
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22:21<Guest1511>quien por ahi
22:22<Guest1511>hola
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22:23<Guest1511>hola
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22:23<Guest1511>yyyy
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