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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-12-29

---Logopened Sun Dec 29 00:00:58 2013
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00:46<wardhan>hi all. i am trying to install mesa from experimental. it shows the following error: Unable to locate package mesa. what is the correct way to install latest mesa from experimental ? thank u.
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00:53*SamB is puzzled to discover that qt4-qtconfig depends on glib and gstreamer ...
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00:59<Tornado>привет! может кто с установкой дебиана помочь - не видит существующие разделы на жестком диске установщик
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01:01*snogglethorpe thought that most kde apps basically depended on every other package in debian
01:01<snogglethorpe>maybe they used a wildcard
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01:46<Fenhl>Hello. Is there a way to configure apt-get so that it doesn't prompt me about disk space being *freed*?
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01:47<defyus>Hello Everyone
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01:47<Fenhl>I mean, I can see why it asks when additional disk space will be used, but the other way around is just annoying
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01:51<EmleyMoor>Fenhl: It asks you in case there are any other "unintended consequences" of what you are doing... not merely that disk space is being freed.
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01:52<Fenhl>EmleyMoor: does it count package dependencies as “unintended consequences”?
01:53<defyus>anyone have any suggestion for a good svn
01:53<EmleyMoor>Fenhl: Possibly - it may say it will remove no-longer-needed auto-installed packages
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01:54<Fenhl>ah
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03:05<dancus>hi
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04:05<Soli>dpkg: Release is expired
04:05<dpkg>...but release is already something else...
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04:07<Soli>Got an odd message tonight from apt-get update: E: Release file for http://ftp3.nrc.ca/debian/dists/wheezy-updates/Release is expired (invalid since 8h 0min 0s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. Quite odd. If anyone have a clue, please tells me. Also happy holidays and new year everyone!
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04:10<andreasj>Soli: Compared with http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy-updates/Release the release file on your mirror is older, and take a look at the Valid-Until: line
04:10<andreasj>looks like your mirror is out of date
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04:13<Soli>andreasj: Hmm, maybe they are on vacation for the holidays and forgot to press the rsync button! :) Thanks for looking into it, I'll switch to the US ones.
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04:31<gustavo>sobres juan ontas
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04:34<darklight_>I can't get 3 buttons emulation to work, http://paste.debian.net/72969/
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04:36<regg|s>do you have xserver-xorg-input-evdev installed?
04:36<darklight_>regg|s, yes
04:36<regg|s>k
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04:37<darklight_>regg|s, the mouse works fine it's just the 3 buttons emulation that doesn't
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04:40<regg|s>sorry, haven't touched a mouse in years
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04:41<darklight_>regg|s, I found my answer here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/874237 , apparently gnome by default disables it in gsettings and that has priority over xorg.conf
04:41<regg|s>oh, gnome
04:42<gustavo>everybody suck my dick
04:42<ompaul>!ops gustavo needs some removal skills
04:42<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ompaul complains about: gustavo needs some removal skills
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04:58<nocturnal>if aplay -l shows HDMI 0 as an output, can I be positive that my sound card supports audio out on HDMI? also I tried the HDMI cable in another computer where audio out works so it's not the cable but I can't get audio out on HDMI 0 using pulseaudio.
04:59<nocturnal>here's the sink I added in pacmd http://paste.debian.net/72978/ and aplay -l http://paste.debian.net/72976/
04:59<nocturnal>and I tried set-default-sink 1 and set-default-sink combined. with combined I get audio in the builtin speakers but nothing on hdmi.
04:59<nocturnal>wheezy
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08:25<neo^>Is this and other debian channels logged? I have a very bad internet connection. I need to refer the channel history.
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08:26<sakax>hello - is there a way to re-install the default debian wheezy xfce install on my system? i am still debian wheezy xfce but i would like to roll back to the default settings and installed packages...
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08:29<SynrG>!tell neo^ about irclog
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08:30<buff>sakax, delete your user .config folder ?
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08:30<SynrG>sakax: regarding "default settings" if you didn't edit anything in /etc (i.e. only edited settings via gui) then some dotfiles will contain all those settings. i'm not sure how it works for xfce, but if it follows the XDG spec, then they would exist somewhere in ~/.config/
08:30<buff>logout and login
08:30<SynrG>but you probably don't want to toast *everything* there
08:30<SynrG>that will make settings for no-XFCE things go away too
08:30<SynrG>be selective
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08:30<SynrG>non-XFCE*
08:31<buff>toast .config/xfce4
08:31<sakax>i removed already packages too... i just want to re-install all default debian wheezy like the installer does but then from within my debian wheezy environment
08:31<SynrG>!install xfce4
08:31<dpkg>To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies» To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install".
08:32<SynrG>and by "removed" you mean "purged"?
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09:07<ktams>Hallo, ich bin leider nicht so vertraut mit irc, deshalb bitte Nachsicht, wenn ich Fettnäpfchen betrete.
09:07<abrotman>!de
09:07<ktams>Ist jemand hier, der mir bei einem Debian - Hardware - Problem helfen kann?
09:07<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
09:07<devil>ktams: speak EN or go to #debian.de
09:07<ktams>sorry...
09:07<devil>ktams: chaqnces for help are better here probably
09:08<devil>chances even
09:08<ktams>ok, i try it in my (bad) english.
09:08<wallzero>Greetings. Can boot be a fat32 partition?
09:08<devil>we read bad english all day :)
09:09<ktams>Is some body here, who can help with a hardware problem in debian?
09:09<andreasj>ktams: Depends on the problem
09:09<devil>ktams: we do not know
09:09<ktams>I must change my motherboard and now debian kernel 3.2 dont work.
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09:09<andreasj>ktams: You mean you have changed your motherboard?
09:09<ktams>The old kernel 2.6 works.
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09:10<abrotman>why doesn't 3.2 work ?
09:10<andreasj>ktams: any error messages? Have you tried rebuilding the initial ram disk for the 3.2 kernel?
09:10<ktams>when i boot, the keyboard, the mouse and the network dont work
09:11<ktams>I boot with the old kernel and it works. I write with the pc now.
09:12<andreasj>I guess first of all you need to get the keyboard working with the other kernel...
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09:12<ktams>Error messages in syslog: only, that a usb device can not enumerate (probably the mouse and/or the keyboard)
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09:13<andreasj>Do you use an USB keyboard?
09:13<ktams>yes and a usb mouse
09:13<andreasj>Have you tried connecting it to another port?
09:13<ktams>an old ps/2 keyboard works with the new kernel
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09:14<ktams>it dont work in any port
09:14<andreasj>maybe you could upload the output of dmesg somewhere (e.g. paste.debian.net)
09:14<andreasj>also lspci -k
09:14<andreasj>maybe both from the new and old kernel, to compare
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09:17<ktams>i type in lspci -k, but i dont know how to paste.
09:17<abrotman>paste.debian.net
09:20<ktams>i have pasted it there for the working old kernel
09:21<ktams>for the new kernel it take a while, because i have no network.
09:21<andreasj>please include ifconfig -a as well
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09:23<ktams>done
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09:24<ktams>hm, I see, there is a eth2. Normally I have eth0....
09:25<andreasj>There is some udev configuration setting device names for MAC adresses
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09:26<andreasj>it's in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
09:26<andreasj>have a look at the file
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09:28<andreasj>your new network device should have a new name because the MAC address changed, I only wonder why one kernel works and the other doesn't
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09:29<ktams>i paste it
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09:34<andreasj>ktams: can you please copy the links to your pastes into the channel?
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09:35<ktams>? I paste it in #paste.debian.net
09:35*abrotman can't find it ..
09:35<abrotman>ktams: no, http://paste.debian.net/
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09:38<ktams>paste.debian.net/73009
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09:39<abrotman>eth2 eh?
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09:40<andreasj>ktams: this is ifconfig when your network is working?
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09:43<abrotman>ktams: are you booted into the new kenrel now ?
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09:43<ktams>it is the working old kernel now
09:43<andreasj>judging from the fact that he told us he has no network with the new kernel probably not ;-)
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09:45<abrotman>andreasj: he might have two computers?
09:45<abrotman>ktams: can you boot the new kernel, and then look at 'dmesg | grep eth' and then compare that to /etc/network/interfaces ?
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09:47<ktams>i can boot now the new kernel but it take a while.
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09:48<wolfpackmars2_>I have a question where I've hit an impasse, but I'm hoping the solution is something basic. Using a Debian 7.2 virtualbox guest configured with 2 network adapters (Adapter1: NAT; Adapter2: Bridged), clients outside of my local network are not able to connect to a service on the virtualbox guest
09:48<wolfpackmars2_>However, if I set the first adapter to bridged and disable the second adapter in virtualbox on the Debian Guest, then clients outside of my network are able to connect to the guest OS. Bridged settings and IP are fine and I've ruled out the my router/firewall as being the cause of the problem. Is there a setting somewhere in the Debian guest which causes services running on it to only accept wan traffic on a specific adapter?
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09:50<geet>wish everyone in the world used *nix and ekiga. sigh.
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09:50<junkmechanic>hi everyone.
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09:50<junkmechanic>stuck with the installation...
09:51<junkmechanic>i cant seem to connect to any mirror...
09:51<junkmechanic>using netinstall for installation
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09:51<dvs>wireless connection?
09:52<junkmechanic>both
09:52<abrotman>proxy?
09:52<devil_>shiny new hardware?
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09:52<junkmechanic>var log syslog says : mirror does not suport the specified release
09:52<junkmechanic>no proxy
09:52<junkmechanic>devil, haha...no
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09:53<abrotman>junkmechanic: which installer are you using ?
09:53<junkmechanic>i am tryng wheezy...how can it jot support that...
09:53<junkmechanic>not*
09:53<junkmechanic>abrotman, graphical...if thats what you meant..
09:54<geet>junkmechanic: try using a static ip
09:54<junkmechanic>tried
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09:54<junkmechanic>geet^
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09:55<geet>try this "I had a similar problem doing a netinstall of "wheezy" realse on a home computer. I was using a wifi network connection that was automatically configured during installation.
09:55<geet>When I got the "mirror doesn't support release" message, I used the "Esc" key to go to the installation main menu and run the network configuration again (everything automatic again via DHCP, not using static configuration). Surprisingly, everything went fine with the mirrors after that."
09:56<junkmechanic>geet, i camr across this this thread...
09:56<junkmechanic>didnt help...
09:56<geet>yeah , first link in google.. lol
09:57<junkmechanic>out of desperation i guess i ll try that again
09:57<junkmechanic>:D
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10:02<junkmechanic>sorry guys..got disconnected...i am om mobile...might have missed some advice..:)
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10:03<junkmechanic>is it possible that i am not giving the right nameserver
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10:04<junkmechanic>it gets to the mirror choosing stage...does that mean its fine up untill then?
10:04<junkmechanic>i give the nameserver the same as the gateway address.
10:05<junkmechanic>router's gateway that is...
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10:07<ktams>hi, back again
10:08<abrotman>and?
10:08<ktams>i am not able to generate a output because of error messages.
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10:10<junkmechanic>is it advised to move on without choosing the mirror and install the base system?
10:11<abrotman>ktams: what? that doesn't make any wense
10:11<abrotman>junkmechanic: sure
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10:11<abrotman>sense
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10:11<junkmechanic>abrotman, what would i be missing...
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10:12<abrotman>junkmechanic: everything not on the netinst ?
10:12<junkmechanic>haha..
10:12<ktams>here is the link: paste.debian.net/73018
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10:13<ktams>This messages repeated forever
10:13<abrotman>ktams: so the system won't start ?
10:14<junkmechanic>i see that after basic install it would configure the package manager and then is the stage "select and install software"
10:14<ktams>I can see the kdm screen, but i have no mouse or keyboard. Then i plug in a ps/2 keyboard an switch to the console
10:14<abrotman>and then ?
10:14<ktams>and here the massages repeat, so i can not do any thing
10:15<junkmechanic>is this where it would fail to grab packages from one of the mirrors?
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10:18<ktams>can I grep anything from the new kernel now?
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10:18<abrotman>ktams: zgrep eth dmesg.1.gz ?
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10:25<ktams>I found it in dmesg.0. here is the link: paste.debian.net/73027
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10:26<dvs>ktams: You're missing the new firmware
10:27<ktams>hm, but why is the firmware good enaugh for the old kernel?
10:28<dvs>ktams: Because it's an older version
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10:29<ktams>ok, the firmware in a nail new motherboard is to old? if so, can that be the same with usb?
10:30<dvs>No, the firmware is too old FOR THE KERNEL. The kernel was updated but the supporting firmware was not.
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11:23<Katy>On my new installed wheezy sound works fine with alsa, but changing volume in mplayer has no effect. Also I'm running out of keywords for google. Could someone point me in the right direction?
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11:35<nocturnal>tried -ao alsa?
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11:35<nocturnal>also I have just learned about pulseaudio and I prefer it. but don't ask me too many questions about it, still a newbie. in wheezy if you just install pulseaudio that should be enough, and in mplayer -ao pulse
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11:39<Katy>nocturnal: yes, tried that, doesn't help. And i don't won't a soundserver.
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11:44<nocturnal>I had to create an .asoundrc file for my alsa before I switched to pulse. here's how it looked. http://paste.debian.net/73049/
11:44<nocturnal>if it helps
11:44<nocturnal>the Pre-Amp part is to get louder sound
11:44<nocturnal>also check alsamixer to see if anything is Muted
11:45<Katy>nocturnal: I have sound and can control it with alsamixer, just mplayer won't change volume.
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11:48<andreasj>nocturnal: I think there is a way to tell mplayer which mixer to control with the volume slider...
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11:49<andreasj>see http://www.mplayer2.org/docs/mplayer/ and look for --mixer and --mixer-channel
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11:49<bassmax>Hi all, which firewall config tool you would recommend for local admin (2-3 machines) with exportable config
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11:50<bassmax>hesitate to dive into shorewall or fwbuilder
11:50<sney>shorewall, really
11:50<sney>the syntax is readable
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11:51<bassmax>sney; ok, no time enough to master iptables syntax !
11:51<sney>you can go back to it after not even looking at your firewall config for 6 months and still be able to use it
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11:51<bassmax>sney: yeah it is the goal
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11:55<petn-randall>bassmax: I'd also go with shorewall. You should have a high-level understanding of iptables, but after that it's pretty easy.
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11:56<sney>and iirc, shorewall's docs are really good
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12:43<iMhack>Hello
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12:47<iMhack>I go a problem, I did a shell script in /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d but it don't seems to execute when joining my WiFi network...
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13:24<Dem>cerco aiuto x xubuntu
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15:24<Dem>impossibile trovare il pacchetto Skype
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15:27<qlq1>Dem: check https://wiki.debian.org/skype
15:28<abrotman>already gone
15:28<qlq1>i see
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15:49<amireldor>My Wheezy GNOME seems to give importance to the order in which modifier keys are called. How can I address this? It's giving me problems with shortcuts such as shift+alt+tab
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16:16<darokthar>Has anyone ever had problems with doom3? I got some strange graphic artifacts in the game. The plasma gun and the caco daemons are especially bugged with these. There are basically a lot of pixels with the wrong color. Everything else works fine and the game does not hang.
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16:16<darokthar>I know this is a bit off topic.
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16:18<asdaw>only time ive ever had artefacts was when my GPU was beginning to fail. it got progressively worse until i ran some heat tests and discovered it was overheating
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16:21<asdaw>darokthar, do you have the ability to monitor the GPU temps while playing
16:21<flayersboxer>hey if i make an img file from 2 ntfs partitions with the help of the 'dd' tool, i can just open the img file with some standard archive browser like fileroller and extract files as i need them, right?
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16:23<abrotman>no, you'd have to mount them I'd imagine
16:24<flayersboxer>so would i be able to browse both partition at the same time? cause its just 1 file that contains both partitions?
16:26<darokthar>asdaw i have to find the right sensor, but i guess it should be possible. I just got lm-sensors and read a tutorial how to configure it.
16:26<flayersboxer>ah well, i'll just go ahead and do it and see what i end up with lol
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16:26<zazzou>hello i set up my system without root acount but whit possibility to use it as user now i cant use su, i can but only as su -c sudo works is there a way to get around this? i have a command thats to long i guess to use sudo
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16:33<zazzou>let me refrase im trieng to configure xorg for the fglrx driver. comming to this comand:echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf it sais permision denied to the map
16:33<devil_>to the map?
16:34<zazzou>/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
16:34<devil_>you need to be root 'cause you are writing to /etc
16:34<zazzou>conf file
16:34<zazzou>i tried su but cant get in
16:34<zazzou>sudo ore su -c works
16:34<zazzou>so its not my password
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16:36<zazzou>i set my system up whitout root acount
16:36<zazzou>i thout i could do it all whit sudo
16:36<devil_>well, yoi can, if configured correctly
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16:37<sney>hmm. installing nmap on this wheezy server brought in imagemagick as part of a recommend chain from nmap
16:37<sney>from liblinear1, that is.
16:37*sney squints at the maintainer
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16:38<zazzou>il google that for a while ;) thx
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17:19<skibo2earth>mmm
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17:34<orlando-janiely>helo
17:35<orlando-janiely>oi
17:35<orlando-janiely>dario?
17:36<orlando-janiely>poderoso chefão
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18:00<DeepBlue>how to change the default DE?
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19:35<Hendrix>Instyle
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19:53<canek>alguien sabe conectarse a axtel con servicio suspendido?
19:53<devil_>!es
19:53<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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20:05<vegard>Hi
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20:10<vegard>I am using Debian Wheezy Xfce 64-bit and I have a question. I have to mount my Western Digital "My Passport" external harddisk by using a command in the terminal, but when I plug in an USB stick I don't have to do it. Why is that so?
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20:34<sakax>http://paste.debian.net/73169/ any idea why i have these errrors in my xsession-errors?
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20:35<MeanderingCode>why is my mac mini auto-ejecting dvds when i put them in?
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20:35<MeanderingCode>i have libdvdcss2 installed from deb-multimedia
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20:36<MeanderingCode>and dmesg says nothing helpful
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20:37<sakax>brb rebooting
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20:42<Sammy123>hey there
20:42<Sammy123>I want to run a debian installation off of a pen drive
20:43<Sammy123>Everything is installed, but I've got problems getting the bootloader to work
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20:43<asdaw>what did you use to carry out the installation, something like unetbootin for a "live" usb?
20:44<Sammy123>I used a dd'd netinst of stable/wheezy
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20:44<Sammy123>32bit version, gpt partition table, / and /home are seperate and encrypted partitions, and the third partition is /boot
20:44<Sammy123>I basically installed from one usb thumb drive to another
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20:47<Sammy123>in the installer, the grub installation step refused to install into the MBR of /dev/sdd, but /dev/sdd1 was acceptable (which is /boot)
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21:18<Sammy123>When I try to execute "# grub-install /dev/sdd" in rescue console, it complains that hd3 is an iso filesystem, which is most likely the installer thumb drive, and it doesn't want to write a boot record to it
21:19<Sammy123>why does it try to write to /dev/sdc if I tell it to write to /dev/sdd?
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21:32<Sammy123>It appears that between the GPT and the first partition, there is space in which an ISO header was stored and not overwritten by installing the system
21:33<Sammy123>I /dev/zero'd 2045 blocks of size 512, with seek 3, now I'm getting somewhere
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21:40<r00t>hello
21:40<r00t>debian should stay with systemV init
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21:41<r00t>systemd is an authoritatian nightmare being pushed down our knecks like a pulsating prison rape cock
21:41<r00t>by a developer that is just that.
21:41<sney>this is a support channel. developer arguments happen on the mailing lists
21:42<abrotman>and comments like that wouldn't be welcome anyway
21:42<sney>(personally, I like OpenRC. but I don't get a vote)
21:42<r00t>you're going to force us to learn new bullshit
21:42<sney>abrotman, haha, well, they seem to happen anyway
21:42<abrotman>r00t: do you need help with Debian ?
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21:42<r00t>abrotman: why are we being lead by the nose into systemd?
21:42<sney>r00t, you are truly barking up the wrong tree talking about it in here.
21:42<abrotman>r00t: do you need help with Debian?
21:43<r00t>why can't we fucking keep the system we've known since the beginning?
21:43<abrotman>r00t: this is not a policy channel, this is a support channel.
21:43<r00t>yea well why do a few "higherups" (CTTE crew) get to decide something so drastic as changing what always was
21:43<Sammy123>r00t: You're being really unfriendly to the people that spend time every day to help people get their systems running.
21:44-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
21:44-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@ool-457ca599.dyn.optonline.net] by abrotman
21:44<sney>fwiw, the argument is still ongoing so the systemd decision hasn't been finalized yet. I'm sure there's somewhere you could send an argument by email, where they might actually listen to you, as opposed to here
21:44-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
21:44<abrotman>r00t: again, this is not a policy channel, this is a support channel. Thank you.
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21:44<abrotman>sney: he hasn't uttered a portion of a constructive argument, I don't think they'd care what he has to say
21:44-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
21:44<Sammy123>r00t: And next time, maybe don't join IRC while drunk.
21:44*sney shrug
21:44-!-r00t was kicked from #debian by abrotman [you should know better]
21:44-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
21:45<abrotman>guess how well that went in msg ...
21:45<Sammy123>o.O
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21:45<Sammy123>"higher ups"
21:46<abrotman>can we move on?
21:46<Sammy123>sorry.
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21:48<alguien>ew. anyway...
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22:04<anton>всем привет
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22:04<abrotman>!ru
22:04<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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22:20<alguien>has anyone tried putting debian on their tablet?
22:20<alguien>x)
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22:23<Sammy123>I can't get the thumb drive to work. I give up for now
22:23<Sammy123>good night everyone
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23:22<jeremyb>alguien: lildebi?
23:22<alguien>ooh
23:24<alguien>hooly moly
23:24<alguien>is this for real!
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23:25<alguien>i am scared to try it lol but i will
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23:50<alguien>what would be a foss alternative to duolingo?
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23:56<snogglethorpe>hmm, duolingo was originally partially sponsored by a NSF grant...
23:56<snogglethorpe>i wonder if the NSF has any rules about what you can do with stuff it sponsors...
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23:58<alguien>in any case, duolingo's terms say it is all proprietary
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