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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-01-09

---Logopened Thu Jan 09 00:00:09 2014
---Daychanged Thu Jan 09 2014
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00:01<panza>hola
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00:52<neo1691>I installed debian on some of my college PC. They need ld utility, which is not available. Which repo can I find the ld command?\
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00:59<koanhead>neo1691, ld is the GNU linker, part of coreutils, if your install does not have it then I'm thinking it would be in build-essential
00:59<koanhead>!ld
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01:00<apm1>i doubt its a separate package
01:00<apm1>its in "build-essential" aye
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01:01<koanhead>oh good. I should probably learn how to work the bots here though
01:01<jm_>!find bin/ld
01:02<dpkg>Debian Search of 'bin/ld' (10 of 35): (/usr/bin/ldtp) in devel/ldtp ;; (/usr/bin/ldrdf) in devel/nasm ;; (/usr/bin/ld86) in devel/bin86 ;; (/usr/bin/ldo65) in devel/xa65 ;; (/usr/bin/ld) in devel/binutils ;; (/usr/bin/ldapvi) in text/ldapvi ;; (/usr/bin/ldbash) in libs/libbash ;; (/usr/bin/ldm-dialog) in misc/ldm ;; (/usr/sbin/ld10k1) in sound/ld10k1 ;; (/usr/bin/lddtree) in misc/pax-utils.
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01:03<bullgard4>Is there a Debian IRC channel to discuss Linux kernel matters?
01:04<apm1>bullgard4, #debian-kernel
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01:06<bullgard4>apm1: Thank you very much for your help.
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03:54<jackfrost>hi guys.... i am new user to linux os.. i cant access the bluetooh nor wifi.. pc freezes when i try to access wifi.. what to do ? wired connection is working fine..
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03:58<jm_>which wifi driver are you using?
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04:01<nocturnal>try doing lsusb and finding a line that says something about wireless or network controller. then take the XXXX:XXXX code and search the pcidatabase.com for it. the first part is vendor ID and the second is device ID.
04:01<nocturnal>or lspci
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04:02<jackfrost>for bluetooth its bradcom
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04:03<jackfrost>broadcom
04:03<jackfrost>for wifi its qualcom atheros
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04:06<jackfrost>$ lspci Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR8162 Fast Ethernet (rev 10)
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04:07<jackfrost>Broadcom is active
04:07<nocturnal>http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
04:07<nocturnal>BCM4313 has status "not tested"
04:07<nocturnal>or no rather
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04:08<jackfrost>when i solved wired connection problem .. i was working ...
04:08<jackfrost>now its not
04:08<nocturnal>http://askubuntu.com/a/97368 you can try this solution, it would work the same on debian.
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04:12<jm_>what's the actual driver name you are using?
04:13<pos>jackfrost: there is some assistance here: https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
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04:31<Megaf>Hi everyone!
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04:35<lutra>hi, i am trying to use lightdm to manage my sessions and launch X. however, it fails to start. all i get is a blinking cursor. i can launch X by tying startx and kdm can launch a session.
04:35<lutra>i think i am missing a lightdm package that i need to install but i don't know what
04:35<lutra>lightdm related package i should say
04:37<jm_>does it have a logfile?
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04:37<jm_>is it a default DM?
04:37<lutra>i think the problem has to do with systemd
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04:37<lutra>there is a log file
04:37<jm_>ahh no idea about that then
04:38<jm_>are you using stable release?
04:38<lutra>testing
04:40<jm_>try #debian-next
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04:44<nos>18 Fem USA - Sellinn' live shows and pics / Skype: Roxy.Tenons
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05:07<midnightbox>how do i install graphics
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05:11<Stummi>"graphics"?
05:11<Stummi>You mean an x-server?
05:11<stderr>He left.
05:11<Stummi>oh, right
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05:38<st_iron>hello
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05:50<gregic>morning lad
05:50<gregic>s
05:50<gregic>people awake with openldap knowledge?
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05:52<st_iron>morning gregic
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05:53<gregic>morning st_iron
05:53<gregic>do you have experiance with openldap migrations?
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05:55<st_iron>I did some, but I am not an expert
05:55<stderr>gregic: Just ask your question. If someone knows the answer, they'll say so.
05:55<gregic>okay thanks
05:55<pawell>i
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05:56<st_iron>we did two kind of migrations, one with replicating the master
05:56<st_iron>and one with slapcatting and backing up everything, and importing the config on other openldap servers
05:57<gregic>Well, Someone installed openldap on windows a few years ago.... but its not very stable so i'm building a debian cluster and want to import the ldif i created from the current environment
05:57<gregic>but i'm unable to import it cause of schema issues i think?
05:57<gregic>i get the forllowing errors
05:58<gregic>ldap_add: Invalid syntax (21)
05:58<gregic> additional info: objectClass: value #2 invalid per syntax
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05:59<gregic>and when i try to import a ldif schema thats converted from a .schema file i get this
05:59<gregic>Enter LDAP Password:
05:59<gregic>adding new entry "cn=admin"
05:59<gregic>ldap_add: Server is unwilling to perform (53)
05:59<gregic> additional info: no global superior knowledge
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05:59<gregic>lol i was kicked?
06:03-!-mode/#debian [+l 653] by debhelper
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06:04<stderr>gregic: Yes. You said too much. :-) Try http://paste.debian.net/
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06:05<gregic>ah okay :)
06:06<gregic>do i have to paste it in there again or is it readable here for now?
06:06<stderr>Hmm, you wasn't kicked for flooding. Maybe the bot thought you said something bad... Odd...
06:07<stderr>The last line we saw was about additional info.
06:08<gregic>http://paste.debian.net/75195
06:08<stderr>But if you do make a paste, it might be best if everything is in one place.
06:08<gregic>ah okay
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06:27<micheal011>hello, is there any tool on debian that can write a system .iso image to usb flash drive? something like usb-creator on ubuntu
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06:31<SynrG>micheal011: if it is a 'hybrid' image (and the debian live and installer images all are) then you can just "cp" to the whole device, /dev/sdx (i.e. replace 'sdx' with actual device node)
06:31<SynrG>as per Debian Installation Guide
06:31<SynrG>this, of course, completely replaces the contents of the USB flash drive. make sure if there's anything important there, you save it first.
06:32<micheal011>no, i mean i have a win7 image (bootable) and i need to write it to my usb-stick and boot from it
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06:34<SynrG>debian has unetbootin, which may work. but *do not* use this for debian images.
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06:34<micheal011>it's a win7 image so should be ok
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06:35<SynrG>in the description it says "for Linux/BSD distributions" so i have my dobuts
06:35<SynrG>doubts*
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06:36<SynrG>micheal011: research this before you try. i don't think it's going to work.
06:36<micheal011>weird, i've just installed it and after running, it asks for for an admin password and doesn't show up
06:36<SynrG>but maybe the description is wrong
06:36<jm_>microsoft has its own tool to do this in windows :)
06:36<SynrG>micheal011: how did you launch it?
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06:38<micheal011>ok, running from terminal: sudo unetbootin helped
06:38<jm_>heh http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/create-bootable-windows-7-usb-drive.html
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06:39<SynrG>http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/install-windows-7-from-usb-drive-requires-2-simple-steps/
06:39<SynrG>this suggests unetbootin should work, but also links to the official tool if it doesn't
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06:40<SynrG>micheal011: fyi, though sudo worked this time, that doesn't always work. the better way to launch gui apps requiring root is "gksudo foo"
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06:41<gregic>you can do this with diskpart
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06:41<gregic>from a windows machine and copy the files
06:41<micheal011>what about if i install manually the usb-creator package?
06:42<SynrG>mixing distros is not something we can recommend.
06:42<SynrG>better to build it from source
06:42<micheal011>@gregic: i don't have windows atm
06:42<gregic>try yumi its much better
06:43<SynrG>not unless upstream explicitly supports using the packages on debian.
06:43<SynrG>(and not just 'debian' but your specific release)
06:43<gregic>i use it all the time and it works fine with almost every distro
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06:45<CRPL>hello
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06:49<CRPL>I have a problem with ”screen”. I want to automatically start a software to log a rs232 connection, so I put ”/usr/bin/kermit -B -y /root/.mykermrc > /home/user/mytext.log" in my rc.local.
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06:50<CRPL>now I want to be able to switch between the background process, to bring it to foreground. But adding "screen -S test -d -m" to the begging of the line, means that all the output of the software will go to screen
06:50<CRPL>and not log to my /home/user/mytext.log
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06:51<CRPL>Any ideea how this can be avoided ?
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06:52<jm_>more options - a) use screen to log output, b) ensure "> foo" construct is passed to the command run by screen, not to the screen command (you might need to use sh -c ..., depending on how screen works)
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06:55<CRPL>jm_: can I use screen output to a specified file ?
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06:58<jm_>CRPL: yes, see log and logfile options
06:58<CRPL>thank you
06:58<jm_>no worries
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08:29<michael01>is there any utility for debian to write win7 image on usb flash drive?
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08:29<michael01>all the unetbootin / usb-creator utilities suck
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08:33<planetmaker>michael01, if you have an image, just dd if=path/to/image
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08:33<CRPL>it is possible to have ~sed~ replace characters in real time in ~screen~ ?
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08:34<planetmaker>dd if=path/to/image of=/dev/stick
08:34<planetmaker>or whatever
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08:34<michael01>@planetmaker: i have a simple task: i have a usb stick (8GB) and a win7 .iso file. I want to make a bootable win7 disk to repair windows.
08:35<CRPL>or is any other way to replace some characters in real time in ~screen~ ?
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08:35<bhuddah>or just use cp?
08:35<michael01>i tried unetbootin but this app is a joke
08:35<michael01>so is usb-creator (only for linux images)
08:35<michael01>so they kinda suck
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08:37<jm_>CRPL: perhaps check the "exec" screen command, but I have to go now
08:38<rydhwan>try Rufus
08:38<jm_>CRPL: in general use the info pages to learn about advanced screen stuff (info screen)
08:39<rydhwan>or MS USB tool
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08:39<planetmaker>michael01, then use the dd as I quoted
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08:40<rydhwan>only diskpart in CMD as admin after list disk
08:40<planetmaker>dd if=win7.iso of=/dev/WhateverYourSticksDeviceIsCalled
08:40<rydhwan>Rufus is best
08:42<rydhwan>ok ?
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08:56<aarya>hi guys, I am getting below error while working with debian-cd for custom iso
08:56<aarya>root@new-debian:/usr/share/debian-cd# ./easy-build.sh NETINST
08:56<aarya>Starting the actual debian-cd build...
08:56<aarya>Sat Dec 28 03:18:51 UTC 2013: Using CONF from ./CONF.sh.
08:56<aarya>which_deb: can't find binary file(s) for debootstrap in wheezy
08:56<aarya>Makefile:172: *** target pattern contains no `%'. Stop.
08:57<aarya>need help
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10:14<pression>hello
10:15<pression>somebody know how call a to skype person, but without using skype for linux?
10:15<pression>because skype is very bugged
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10:18<Deeps>pression: use skype for windows, mac, ios, android, nokia or winmo?
10:18<pression>yeah i know
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10:19<pression>but skype for linux is very bad, always bugged
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10:19<pression>and i tried solved but still fail, if there is some similar to call to skype would be perfect
10:20<pression>else i will stay solving skype for linux, i was 2 days in that
10:20<pression>xd
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10:21<petn-randall>pression: There's no compatible client to skype. You'll have to bring up your anger to skype's company.
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10:22<nocturnal>pression: ekiga is an alternative, but there's no alternative for the skype network.
10:23<lupine>there was an asterisk plugin for skype a while ago
10:23<lupine>don't know what happened to it
10:23<pression>mmm
10:23<petn-randall>or jitsi. There are several clients for audio/video calls, and several protocols to do that.
10:24<pression>ekiga appears good but all my mates and friends are with skype
10:24<lupine>but yes. skype is evil and should be acoided
10:24<petn-randall>lupine: Support ran out since MS wasn't interested in it anymore.
10:24<lupine>avoided*
10:24<pression>yeah, skype is evil, microsoft wanted do a bad skype version for linux
10:24<lupine>also whatsapp, for that matter
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10:25<nocturnal>whatsapp is promising, I hear it's all the rage among the kids here today. so in 5 years, with a linux client ready, it could take over.
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10:25<nocturnal>oh it's a web client, but that's still ok
10:25<nocturnal>as long as it works
10:26<pression>nice
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10:26<pression>thx
10:27<lamb>All I know about "wazzup" is that anyone can read your messages :p
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10:27<nocturnal>surely that's a bug that will be fixed and not a feature?
10:27<TobiX>lamb: Well, they apparently fixed that (after the 2. try)
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10:28<lamb>nocturnal: Dunno, with all those new web fads about being all live all the time, I'd think it'd be thought out as a feture
10:28<TobiX>Why are we talking about closed, propritary cloud stuff in #debian?
10:28<lamb>TobiX: good question
10:28<nocturnal>even prisoners talk about their guards sometimes ;)
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10:28<petn-randall>nocturnal: How is Whatsapp any better? It's prorietary, and it's a privacy nightmare. To check who of your friends has Whatsapp, too, they pull a copy of your addressbook.
10:28<lamb>What ever happened to Diaspora? Wasn't that going to be our saviour™?
10:29<nocturnal>I ran a diaspora server a while, it was horrible in federation. GNU Social is supposed to be better.
10:29<TobiX>I never used Whatsapp and I'm pretty sure they know my phone number. I hate services that do that :(
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10:29<nocturnal>a diaspora server is not much more federated than say an e-mail or jabber server.
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10:32<lupine>in fairness, federation is difficult
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10:32<nocturnal>it's the greatest challenge, yes
10:32<nocturnal>and a GNU Social dev actually told me he's a bit disappointed with it even in GNU Social
10:33<nocturnal>but he's still backing it since it's the best alternative now
10:33<lamb>Isn't federation simply agreeing to a set of protocols? It should be easier than "the greatest challenge"...
10:33<nocturnal>try #social@freenode for that
10:33<nocturnal>I haven't tried it yet
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10:39<lupine>search
10:39<lupine>federated search is a complete nightmare
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10:39<lamb>In a much more ontopical question... is there a channel to ask questions related to dkms?
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10:40<TobiX>lamb: If it's realated to Debian, just ask here
10:40<lamb>..oh, somehow I missed the obvious #debian-dkms :p
10:41*TobiX didn't even know there was such a channel
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10:42<lamb>It's just that I'm attempting to upgrade my Wheezy kernel to 3.11 (bpo70+1) but I'm having trouble with broadcom-sta-dkms, but it seems to be a very specific problem
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10:46<lamb>hmm... #debian-dkms is empty... so perhaps someone can suggest here: I am facing the issue with broadcom-sta-dkms and proc_entry described here http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=147537 but,
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10:49<lamb>I'm not sure on the right direction to approach this from Wheezy. Should I grab the -source package for that DKMS from Testing and do something with it?
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11:39<sulivan>hi rex
11:39<rex>Hi
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12:06<Orby>could someone tell me when squeeze will be supported upto ?
12:06<MrFrood>Orby: normally for 12 months after the release of a new stable
12:07<MrFrood>so 12 months from whenever wheezy was released
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12:56<Haksoldier>EUZUBILLAHIMINEÞÞEYTANIRRACIM BISMILLAHIRRAHMANIRRAHIM
12:56<Haksoldier>ALLAHU EKBERRRRR! LA ÝLAHE ÝLLALLAH MUHAMMEDEN RESULULLAH!!
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13:06<sulivan>rec?
13:06<sulivan>rex?
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13:09<gabriele>usa BuDuScRiPt [ http://digilander.libero.it/udasoft/Software/Linux/buduscript ]
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13:09<gabriele>Version 3.7.86
13:09<gabriele>By U D A ' S o f t w a r e
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13:55<MarwolTuk>Hi, I'm trying to install debian from USB stick (Just downloaded netinstall image), and the installation seems not to find the IDE disk I want to install on. It finds SATA disks and the USB stick I want to install from. Is there a knwon problem with IDE disks?
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14:31<petn-randall>MarwolTuk: How did you prepare the usb stick?
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14:31<brahman>Hi, I have a macbook pro running Debian, is it possible to disable the nvidia card and only use the onboard graphic intel card?
14:32<brahman>does removing the driver (nouveau) also turn off the card? my hope is to save some power...
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14:34<Natureshadow>brahman: I do not think it will
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14:36<brahman>Natureshadow: do you think that perhaps blacklisting nouveau/nvdia drivers will still save me some power by using the onboard graphics even if the nvidia card is being powered but not running complex calcs?
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14:38<Natureshadow>brahman: what makes you think it comsumes a lot of power>
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14:40<MarwolTuk>petn-randall: dd if=iso of=usb-stick, the installation boots correctly.
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14:43<petn-randall>MarwolTuk: Ok, perfect. Just wanted to check, since unetbootin mangles the iso, and problems like yours happen with it.
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14:43<brahman>Natureshadow: battery life of around 2.5 hours.
14:43<petn-randall>MarwolTuk: Can you "see" the IDE disk in the BIOS?
14:44<petn-randall>MarwolTuk: Can you see the IDE disk from any other OS? Could be that the IDE controller is deactivated in the BIOS.
14:44<Natureshadow>brahman: an you think this is the nVidia card because ...
14:44<Natureshadow>Have you consulted powertop?
14:44<MarwolTuk>petn-randall: yes, i can even boot the os whitch is still on that disk and i want to overwrite.
14:45<brahman>Natureshadow: also reading documents on the interwebs the general consensus is that the nvidia cards are power hungry...
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14:45<Natureshadow>brahman: which does not mean that it is power hungry when you do not use it
14:45<Natureshadow>that said, did you consult powertop :)?
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14:46<petn-randall>!bumblebee
14:46<dpkg>The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian in <testing> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net.
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14:46<petn-randall>brahman: Could it be that you have this chipset? ^^^^
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14:48<brahman>petn-randall: just the 1 line as per the instructions.
14:48<brahman>looking at powertop
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14:50<petn-randall>brahman: powertop only get info about the power draw from the battery, and deduces which components use how much power. It was always really off for me. Like 5 out of 10 Watts for my unplugged ethernet port ...
14:51<brahman>Natureshadow: powertop reports a battery discharge rate of 23W - 24W
14:51<Natureshadow>brahman: the interesting part is by what the system is waked up
14:51<brahman>petn-randall: I am getting 100% for the majority of PCI devices
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14:51<brahman>cpu is using 8%-14%
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14:55<brahman>need to read up on powertop and it's various pages
14:55<brahman>are the tunables pretty safe? Are they permanent?
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14:56<Natureshadow>brahman: depends on how you apply them
14:56<Natureshadow>normally it telsl you what to do to make them permanent
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14:57<brahman>K thanks for this help. Will read up and if I need more help come and ask. :)
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15:10<versigtig>Hello~
15:10<tylerk>hey
15:10<versigtig>I am doing a netinst of Debian at the moment.
15:10<versigtig>Just got to software selection.
15:10<versigtig>Should I skip the desktop environment one?
15:10<versigtig>I want to put on LXDE and OpenBox.
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15:11<versigtig>But want as little extra stuff as possible.
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15:11<devil>versigtig: if you know how to install what you need from a terminal...
15:11<dondelelcaro>versigtig: up to you; you can certainly skip it and install later
15:11<versigtig>Well, I can learn how to install it from a terminal.
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15:11<versigtig>I don't know exactly what I need but I know how to find out.
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15:12<versigtig>If it is anything like setting up Arch then I should be fine, I think.
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15:12<SynrG>versigtig: when you say "LXDE and openbox" you actually just mean "LXDE". in fact, you need LXDE and Xorg
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15:12<versigtig>Oh, so LXDE uses Openbox as its standard WM? Or something?
15:12<SynrG>yes.
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15:13<nadir>i usually install "apt-get install xorg" (a metapackage) and then the window-manager i want: "apt-get install lxde" (not what i want, but anyway)
15:13<versigtig>Neat! Did not know that. :]
15:13<versigtig>nadir: perfect, thanks!
15:13<SynrG>or lxde-core
15:13<nadir>you can install less than the xorg-metapackage, but that is work.
15:13<SynrG>yeah, a lot of work for little benefit
15:13<nadir>(more work than i am willing to bare ... :-) )
15:13<versigtig>Haha, gotcha. I'll just do that, then.
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15:13<SynrG>but with the Debian eeepc project we put some instructions in the wiki about that (tailored to eeepc hardware)
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15:14<SynrG>because some of the really low end eeepcs had only a 4G ssd, or even 2G ssd.
15:14<versigtig>Is there a better WM than LXDE for a 14 year old laptop?
15:14<SynrG>LXDE is a desktop environment. openbox is the WM
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15:14<versigtig>Sorry, keep getting my terms confused.
15:14<SynrG>LXDE is the lightest desktop environment.
15:14<versigtig>That's what I want, then.
15:14<nadir>I compared window-managers, and i don't think there is a difference between fluxbox, icewm, openbox, what-you-have. I'd go for openbox (if lxde is what you want)
15:14<versigtig>Can you have a WM without a desktop environment?
15:15<SynrG>plus, openbox is prettier ;)
15:15<MrFrood>versigtig: somewhere out there there is an unoffical debian live cd with CDE :-|
15:15<nadir>yes, easily.
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15:15<versigtig>Interesting...
15:15<versigtig>CDE?
15:15<SynrG>archaic
15:15<nadir>Imho: xfce doesn't use more resources on low-end machines (like raspberry), but offers more comfort than lxde. That is me
15:15<MrFrood>what SynrG said
15:15<SynrG>mostly found on old proprietary Unices
15:16<versigtig>Well, the thing was this (nadir): I was running Xubuntu on this laptop and all the extra graphical etc and what not caused the experience to not be a very fun one.
15:16<nadir>both, xfce4 and lxde, are small in install-size, so install both, compare yourself, compare with openbox (which comes with lxde), and decide
15:16<versigtig>So I figured trying the lightest possible would be my best bet.
15:16<versigtig>Even though I like XFCE.
15:16<SynrG>my stripped down LXDE on my circa 2010 eeepc with 60G ssd and 2G RAM simply doesn't start pcmanfm by default
15:16<nadir>xubuntu is a hog, compared to "apt-get install xfce4"
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15:16<SynrG>because i don't care for a file manager
15:16<nadir>imho
15:17<versigtig>That's kind of what I thought.
15:17<SynrG>but i do like automounting removable media ...
15:17<nadir>installing xfce4 during installation installs a lot i don't care for too
15:17<SynrG>so i autostart udisks-glue for that.
15:17<versigtig>But I can always try lxde, see how I like it, and uninstall it and go to xfce4, right?
15:17<SynrG>yes.
15:17<nadir>or both.
15:17<versigtig>Hmm, i vaguely remember doing that, actually.
15:17<SynrG>i, in fact, installed all of lxde. i just don't run all of it.
15:17<nadir>both are really small. I think xfce4 is 180MB , and lxde sure ain't more (rather less)
15:17<versigtig>In Arch, so a bit different.
15:17<SynrG>i *do* like pcmanfm. i just use it rarely
15:18<versigtig>I'll just grab both then.
15:18<SynrG>so there's no point in running it constantly
15:18<koanhead>versigtig, a wm just manages windows. It is one component of a DE. And yes, you can have the WM without a full DE, but you'll miss out on a lot of features
15:18<SynrG>yes. see my comments above about automounting :)
15:18<nadir>and a lot of the bloat ....
15:18<SynrG>a standard part of running a file manager.
15:18<SynrG>so to keep these features, you need to be creative.
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15:20<versigtig>... W-why is this in french? http://wiki.lxde.org/en/PCManFM
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15:20<SynrG>ask #lxde
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15:23<versigtig>Ugh, whoops. Just hit enter on Software Selection. That's installing a lot of stuff I don't need.
15:23<versigtig>Annnnd probably just gonna restart this installation.
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16:22<david89>Hello. Does anyone know how to disable mouse dragging in xorg (for use with a touchscreen)?
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16:24<versigtig>I have no idea, but maybe this might point you in a direction? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1675859
16:24<versigtig>There isn't much there, but depending on how much you know it may give you some ideas.
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16:25<david89>versigtig: ya I saw that earlier, unfortunately I don't have that hw
16:25<SynrG>what hardware do you have? is there no man page for its options?
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16:27<versigtig>Right, that's what I meant: look around and see if there is anything out there perhaps?
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16:27<david89>SynrG: it's an acer touchscreen. It doesn't have any linux drivers, hid_generic gets it working
16:29<david89>I can't seem to find a list of all options for a xorg conf file, any links?
16:29<SynrG>then you probably don't have control over 'advanced' features :/
16:29<SynrG>there is no one list
16:29<SynrG>each driver has its own
16:30<sakax>i have an old pc with a very old nvidia card :) how come nouveau is so much more smoothly compared to the nvidia ?
16:30<sakax>unbelievable i used nvidia for so long :s
16:30<david89>SynrG: ah that explains my search problems
16:30<versigtig>Because apparently nVidia hates on the linux.
16:31<versigtig>At the very least they provide almost no support.
16:32<sakax>is nouveau also this good with new graphic cards? i will build a new pc very soon and do not know if i should by nvidia or something else
16:32<versigtig>From what I understand ATI (AMD) is far better at supporting and providing for Linux users.
16:33<versigtig>In my opinion nVidia is a better card.
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16:33<david89>versigtig: until you have a recent gfx card, then they actually drop support for your card
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16:33<jordanm>ATI free drivers are better, but nvidia proprietary drivers are way better than ATI's
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16:33<versigtig>For Linux?
16:33<jordanm>so if you care about free drivers, go with ATI. otherwise, buy nvidia
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16:34<versigtig>I just heard a whole lot of crap about using nvidia's drivers on linux, depending.
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16:34<versigtig>And how it is rather hit and miss.
16:34<versigtig>Not that I have ever tried to, I've always just used higher end graphics cards with windows.
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16:34<jordanm>that's been mine (and most others) experience with fglrx (ATI proprietary)
16:35<jordanm>I have never had an issue with proprietary nvidia drivers
16:35<versigtig>Huh. That's been my issue with ATI on windows, too.
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16:35<versigtig>Their drivers really blow. Their cards are good, and typically better (from what I remember) than nVidia, but the drivers are kak.
16:35<sakax>i hate building pc's and making these trade-offs in selecting hopefully the best components :(
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16:38<Elvano>I know this is probably a stupid/too basic question, but I like to install a virtual piano and the debian repository offers me vmpk. But when I try to install it I get the following error:
16:38<Elvano>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
16:38<Elvano> vmpk : Depends: libqt4-svg (>= 4:4.5.3) but it is not going to be installed
16:38<Elvano>E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
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16:43<Elvano>That was really uncalled for
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16:45<musca>Elvano: well, don't trigger the flood protection. Which release of debian are you using?
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16:45<Elvano>I'm using wheezy, musca
16:46<musca>i see that vmpk is in wheezy and so is libqt4-svg.
16:47<Elvano>It is, but I get this message for libqt4-svg: libqt4-svg : Depends: libqtcore4 (= 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11) but 4:4.8.5+git121-g2a9ea11+dfsg1-2 is to be installed
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16:49<musca>,v libqtcore4
16:49<judd>Package: libqtcore4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.6.3-4+squeeze1; wheezy: 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11; jessie: 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2; sid: 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2
16:50<Elvano>Ah, I see <.<
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16:51<musca>Elvano: so where did you get this version? libqtcore4 4:4.8.5+git121-g2a9ea11+dfsg1-2
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16:51<musca>Elvano: it's not recommended to mix packages from testing into a stable system.
16:52<Elvano>I know. I probable should reinstall this system <.<
16:53<Elvano>sorry for the bother, and thank you for the heads up, musca
16:53<musca>np
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17:48<zazzou>hello all, im installing wine on a wheezy 64 system and have to istall stuff from the i386 structure. now.. i understand i have to get the recoarces in the softwere repo, but i dont know which, is there a deb http..... solution ore do i have to download the i368 dvd's and if yes which one? all 3 ore is there a way of exploring them before download??
17:48<nero_>Wine is Dead..
17:49<zazzou>which means?
17:49<zazzou>go open-soarce all the way?
17:51<petn-randall>zazzou: What are you trying to do? wheezy has multiarch, so you can install the 32bit wine with no problems.
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17:51<zazzou>yes i know but for that i need to have the i386 resoarses
17:51<themill>dpkg: tell zazzou about multiarch howto
17:51<zazzou>i only have the 64bit
17:52<zazzou>if i try dpkg --add-architecture i386
17:52<zazzou> and update
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17:52<zazzou>ii cant becouse i do not have the repo
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17:53<zazzou>my question is do i have to download the i386 dvd for that ore can i just download what i need
17:53<themill>no
17:53<themill>zazzou: please pastebin commands and full output that helps us understand what is not working
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17:55<zazzou>so i do dpkg --add-architecture i386
17:55<zazzou> then apt-get update which gives me this : W: Failed to fetch cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 7.3.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 xfce-CD Binary-1 20131215-04:55]/dists/wheezy/main/binary-i386/Packages Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs
17:55<zazzou>E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
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17:57<petn-randall>zazzou: Is your machine connected to the internet?
17:57<themill>!show sources.list
17:57<dpkg>Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
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17:58<zazzou>yes i added deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main and i think its working i let you know
17:58<zazzou>nope same
17:58<themill>please pastebin the entire thing
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17:58<petn-randall>zazzou: You can then just comment out the DVDs. Unless your bandwidth is metered and you need to use them. Paste your sources.list so we can see.
17:58<themill>dpkg: tell zazzou about pastebin
17:59<Gipsy_Danger>trolo
17:59<zazzou>one sec
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18:00<zazzou>deb http://ftp.belnet.be/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free
18:00<zazzou>deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main
18:00<zazzou>deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main
18:00<zazzou>deb-src http://ftp.belnet.be/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free
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18:03<sakax>zazzou: use http://paste.debian.net/
18:04<closingin>Where can i have some help about network booting ?
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18:06<zazzou>okeey i know about pastebin now :-) http://pastebin.com/sMsSzadQ
18:06<petn-randall>!pastebin
18:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
18:06<themill>zazzou: can you please pastebin the output of "apt-get update" for us?
18:07<petn-randall>Where did the message go that pastebin.com sucks?
18:07<themill>!pastebin.com
18:07<dpkg>pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/
18:07<themill>(you probably want to have an entry for security.deboan.org in your sources.list too)
18:08<zazzou>http://pastebin.com/Md4GpqbV after the hits this is what i get
18:09<themill>zazzou: that's not the entirety of your sources.list and sources.list.d/* then
18:09<zazzou>my main question is do i really have to down all the dvd's for the i386 structure ore is there an other way?
18:10<themill>zazzou: you don't want the i386 DVDs. You need to provide us with the information we've asked for
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18:10<zazzou>one sec
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18:11<zazzou>http://pastebin.com/bJK1exKh
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18:11<sakax>zazzou: no, you do NOT need to download all dvd's
18:11*themill is not intending to fill in the captcha
18:12<sakax>:)
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18:13<sakax>it's weird that belnet and us.debian repos are mixed in his sources list... it can't be default sources.list output
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18:13<sakax>another case of crazy belg :)
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18:14<sakax>zazzou: edit your sources.list under /etc/apt
18:15<themill>dpkg: tell zazzou about wheezy sources.list
18:15<sakax>comment out all dvd entries with # at the beginning of the lines
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18:18<sakax>it would also help if you paste your sources.list
18:18<sakax>zazzou: why the double repos?
18:19<sakax>start by commenting out the cdrom lines and apt-get update as root
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18:21<zazzou>http://pastebin.com/ms8VHZmD
18:21<zazzou>sakax what do you mean by that?
18:22<zazzou>i guess becuse during instalation i used a belgium one
18:23<sakax>zazzou: 2 things
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18:24<zazzou>yihaa removed the duble and its working :)
18:24<sakax>delete everything mentioned in your sources.list and replace by these repositories http://paste.debian.net/75336/ and apt-get update
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18:24<sakax>secondly: stop using your pastebin and use debian's pastebin...
18:25<zazzou>its working my problem is solved tnx a lot dudes :-)
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18:26<sakax>use the be.debian repos ... no need to use the us ones
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18:39<zazzou>will do sakax :-)
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21:34<william1>I can't find ffmpeg for Jessie.
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21:35<acald3ron>debian-multimedia repo
21:36<SamB>!ffmpeg
21:36<dpkg>FFmpeg is a complete, cross-platform solution to record, convert and stream audio and video. The Debian ffmpeg package contains a multimedia player (ffplay), server (ffserver) and encoder (ffmpeg). Use "ffmpeg -formats" to list supported transcoding formats for ffmpeg's -target option. http://ffmpeg.org/ #ffmpeg on irc.freenode.net. See also <libav>.
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21:37<SamB>!libav
21:37<dpkg>Libav is a complete, cross-platform solution to record, convert and stream audio and video. Libav is a fork of <FFmpeg> and replaces it in Debian as of the 7.x "Wheezy" release. Multithreaded decoding is available since libav 4:0.7~rc1-1 (bug #575600); MP3 encoding support is available since libav 4:0.7.1-2 (bug #587904). http://libav.org/faq.html http://libav.org/ #libav on irc.freenode.net.
21:37<SamB>william1: try libav instead?
21:38<william1>SamB: E: Unable to locate package libav Also did find sox and installed it if that might work as well...
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21:46<vincent_c>william1: the equivalent of "ffmpeg" with libav is "avconv"
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21:47<vincent_c>it's in the libav-tools package, just fyi
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22:19<william1>vincent_c: thanks I ended up getting sox and sox-fmt-mp3 or similar name and that worked well so far.
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