| --- | Log | opened Thu Jan 16 00:00:30 2014 |
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| 00:05 | <CyberBob> | sney do you know the default partition yaboot is installed in? |
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| 00:06 | <sney> | no, but I would guess it's more of a boot sector situation |
| 00:06 | <sney> | I never used yaboot, my machine was too old so I was stuck with miboot |
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| 00:10 | <CyberBob> | i was missing a colon after hd and before ,yaboot in boot-device |
| 00:10 | <CyberBob> | sweet |
| 00:10 | <CyberBob> | gettin there |
| 00:10 | <CyberBob> | apparently there's no way on the g5 to do an auto-start after ac power loss though |
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| 00:31 | <Disconsented> | Another question for yall, is it possible to transfer files between two remote servers directly? Is it practical? |
| 00:34 | <CyberBob> | ssh'ing in to one then sftp into the other should work |
| 00:36 | <CyberBob> | sney i spoke too soon, there appears to be no way to run without a display on the g5 either, less one of those hacked vga dongles |
| 00:36 | <CyberBob> | oh well |
| 00:37 | <CyberBob> | the fact that i can even use recent software is enough to make me continue this project |
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| 00:49 | * | SamB tries to imagine running his G5 (an iMac) without a display ... |
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| 03:56 | <mvdwege> | Is there a way to run a script after all interfaces are brought up? (on a server, no Network-Manager) |
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| 04:00 | <roughnecks> | mvdwege: maybe /etc/rc.local |
| 04:01 | <jm_> | mvdwege: don't think there's a way to do it after all interfaces are up, only for each interface, but I could be wrong (see man interfaces, "up") |
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| 04:02 | <ixi> | my apache2/php on stable is segfaulting at seemingly random times; I am looking at core dump / backtrace now but unsure about what to do http://paste.debian.net/76555/ |
| 04:02 | <ixi> | any ideas ? |
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| 04:05 | <mvdwege> | jm_: Yeah, I already worked through the docs yesterday, couldn't believe there wasn't a way |
| 04:06 | <mvdwege> | roughnecks: yeah, but that works only on boot. I need it to run after every network up/down event. |
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| 04:07 | <roughnecks> | ah, ok |
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| 04:12 | <supaplex> | mvdwege: man interfaces - post-up post-down directives or something like that. If it's not a single command, add the commands to a script, and make the script the post-up/post-down command (you can pass arguments like post-up: /usr/local/sbin/myif-up eth0 up ) |
| 04:12 | <roughnecks> | mvdwege: what about http://serverfault.com/questions/81494/is-every-script-located-in-etc-network-if-up-d-when-an-interface-is-brought-up |
| 04:12 | <jm_> | shouldn't be that hard to do with an "up" script that keeps track of which interfaces it was already called for |
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| 04:13 | <mvdwege> | supaplex: my problem is that the the post-up defintions in interfaces are generated by puppet, and the puppet config is rather too hairy to easily add post-up statements. |
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| 04:14 | <mvdwege> | supaplex: I had hoped to avoid hacking up the puppet config, but it seems I have no choice. |
| 04:14 | * | SamB thinks of muppets for some reason ... |
| 04:15 | <supaplex> | does puppet call extensions, socks? (sock puppets) |
| 04:15 | <supaplex> | </banter> |
| 04:16 | <mvdwege> | SamB: Yeah, days like this I would prefer the Bolshevik Muppet solution |
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| 04:28 | <supaplex> | does /etc/crypttab make it into initrd? I have a luks volume I regret encrypting (the passphrase is more of a nusciance than a security gain, considering my needs for this embedded system, and I don't want to migrate data to and fro). I'm just going to add another key in /boot to let boot w/o prompting |
| 04:29 | <weasel> | you can change the passphrase. |
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| 04:29 | <weasel> | what filesystem is this for? / or something else? is your / encrypted? |
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| 04:30 | <supaplex> | yes, / - I'd rather have a null passphrase w/o losing the existing data (data is an LVM2 PV with everything in it) |
| 04:31 | <supaplex> | I'll keep working on http://www.howtoforge.com/automatically-unlock-luks-encrypted-drives-with-a-keyfile and adapt it to /boot is unencrypted |
| 04:33 | <supaplex> | and just in case, root@adhd1:~# update-initramfs -u -k `uname -r` |
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| 07:15 | <olspookishmagus> | I'm trying to setup debian in a server, and it's as if the USB keyboard has the '2' key pressed down continuously |
| 07:15 | <olspookishmagus> | what could be the problem? |
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| 07:19 | <dmrk> | hello |
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| 07:19 | <SynrG> | olspookishmagus: have you tested the USB keyboard in some other system to see if the '2' key is actually pressed down? |
| 07:19 | <jm_> | olspookishmagus: you could try using usbmon (assuming debian has necessary kernel features enabled) and then investigate what it shows |
| 07:20 | <dmrk> | i have a problem with my system. Everytime i reboot it puts my screen on top of the other (i use dual screens) instead of side by side. Afterwards i fix this with Arandr, but only till the next boot. Any ideas? |
| 07:20 | <olspookishmagus> | SynrG: I'll try your idea first |
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| 07:22 | <jm_> | dmrk: you could add the right command to be run together with the rest of the stuff when X starts or you could configure it via a xorg.conf snippet |
| 07:22 | <olspookishmagus> | no it's not stuck (I justd type that from the keyboard in question) |
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| 07:23 | <olspookishmagus> | dmrk: usbmon would require me switching to another VT, that would require a sane keyboard, no? |
| 07:23 | <jm_> | if you mean me, I would advise to do this from a remote system when a USB keyboard device is being investigated |
| 07:23 | <jm_> | an |
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| 07:25 | <jm_> | you might also try a newer kernel |
| 07:28 | <olspookishmagus> | nevermind... PEBKAC (τι άλλο) |
| 07:28 | <olspookishmagus> | nevermind... PEBKAC (what else) |
| 07:29 | <jm_> | what was it? |
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| 07:35 | <olspookishmagus> | jm_: another guy had another keyboard/mouse plugged into that server into the back USB ports and I couldn't see it - the mouse was resting on the keyboard pressing down the '2' key |
| 07:35 | <maltris> | Hello my friends. Someone can tell me from where i connected? :D |
| 07:36 | <olspookishmagus> | maltris: ~maltris@vhost-128347.nsa.gov joined #debian |
| 07:36 | <jm_> | olspookishmagus: haha |
| 07:36 | <maltris> | Oh noes. :D |
| 07:37 | <bluewater> | hehe |
| 07:37 | <maltris> | It must be the van thats standing outside. Wait a second. *bang bang bang* from where am i connected now? ;D |
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| 07:43 | <olspookishmagus> | maltris: try /whois maltris maltris |
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| 07:47 | <maltris> | olspookishmagus Thanks i didnt know about this. Please do not laugh but im new to irc. :D |
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| 07:52 | <ewet> | apt-file fails to download some archives and still exits with 0? wtf? |
| 07:52 | <ewet> | apt-file update ... |
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| 07:56 | <olspookishmagus> | maltris: ROTFL |
| 07:56 | * | olspookishmagus points to maltris |
| 07:56 | <olspookishmagus> | oh... wait... sorry |
| 07:56 | <ixi> | do we have somewhere an official instruction about how to create a bootable usb (live / installer) from windows? |
| 07:57 | <maltris> | olsppokishmagus u here all the time? which other channels are interesting for a debian-user? |
| 07:57 | <themill> | dpkg: tell ixi about win32diskimager |
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| 07:58 | <maltris> | ixi Why dont you just try unetbootin. Its very easy to use. click a few buttons, choose the device, choose the iso, press play leave it. :D |
| 07:58 | <stderr> | ewet: I don't think that's a bug, but a feature. There are well-known archives without a Contents file (e.g. security updates). Do you want an error everytime you run apt-file update? |
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| 07:59 | <stderr> | !unetbootin |
| 07:59 | <dpkg> | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
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| 08:00 | <erespond> | how to remove webster (phpmyadmin and apaceh on vps using debian) |
| 08:01 | <ewet> | stderr: I'm talking about _failed_ downloads not those that never happened for some reason. this should be easy to differentiate ... also: early cavemen already knew about warning levels for these cases |
| 08:02 | <Stummi> | erespond, the same way you installed it? |
| 08:02 | <Stummi> | webster is not an official debian package |
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| 08:03 | <erespond> | yes, i have for used # remove apt-get phpmyadmin, and after i am install back still ask password |
| 08:03 | <stderr> | ewet: Is e.g. a 404 a failed download or one of those that never happens? |
| 08:04 | <stderr> | erespond: You mean "apt-get remove", right? If you want to remove the configs too, you need to purge. |
| 08:04 | <erespond> | stderr, what the command |
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| 08:05 | <stderr> | erespond: man apt-get |
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| 08:06 | <Stummi> | erespond, your problem is that PMA asks you for a password? What do you expect? |
| 08:06 | <Phuzzy> | If you SSH into an ubuntu box, your ... call it ... location is used for the title of a multitab terminal emulator (terminator, xfce4-terminal etc). If you ssh into a debian box, this does not happen |
| 08:07 | <Phuzzy> | how would one go about getting that same functionality on a debian box? |
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| 08:07 | <Stummi> | put an according terminfo in your PS! |
| 08:07 | <Stummi> | *PS1 |
| 08:10 | <ewet> | stderr: counterquestion: Is curl exit code CURLE_HTTP_RETURNED_ERROR (22) different from CURLE_PARTIAL_FILE (18)? If it is my statement about cavemen still stands. A partial file is definitely a sign that something went wrong. |
| 08:11 | <Phuzzy> | where would that go? my first instinct is to check what is being set in .bashrc, but looking at a deb box vs an ubuntu box, the PS1 is the same in the files |
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| 08:11 | <petn-randall> | Phuzzy: Check the difference with 'echo $PS1', there are several config files where it could be defined. |
| 08:11 | <stderr> | ewet: I guess I misunderstood you then... |
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| 08:12 | <stderr> | Phuzzy: I'm 99.999% sure it does happen when I ssh from one of my debian boxes to another debian box. But I'm not at home, so I can't easily check. |
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| 08:16 | <jm_> | Phuzzy: it's enabled by default in debian for bash, perhaps you need to check that or if your profile includes bashrc |
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| 08:16 | <jm_> | (i.e. /msg dpkg bashrc) |
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| 08:22 | <Phuzzy> | nah maby im just missing something here, but it does not seem to work by default here |
| 08:23 | <jm_> | yes, you are most likely missing the part I explained above |
| 08:23 | <Phuzzy> | ok well maby i sould say i am sshing in as root, and i know that the root account does not have the same .bashrc as a regular user, so maby thats missing |
| 08:24 | <jm_> | you can find default one in /etc/skel/.bashrc |
| 08:25 | <abrotman> | wtf is maby? |
| 08:25 | <jm_> | bastardized maybe? |
| 08:25 | <abrotman> | repeatedly? |
| 08:26 | <ewet> | stderr: I apologize. In hindsight I admit I was a little rude. But I don't like justifying bad program behavior as a feature ;) |
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| 08:28 | <stderr> | Phuzzy: Yes, root normally has another $PS1 where the title-stuff is missing. |
| 08:28 | <stderr> | ewet: No problem. :-) |
| 08:28 | <themill> | ewet: apt-file could do with a lot of work -- I'm sure contributions would be most welcome if you can. |
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| 08:29 | <Phuzzy> | stderr: yep, just tested with the /etc/skel one |
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| 08:31 | <ayaka> | I met a stranger problem, I can only ping the gateway but I can't ping the other computer as I can before |
| 08:31 | <ewet> | themill: going through the bugtracker. maybe I can do something ... |
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| 08:33 | <Phuzzy> | meh... im not gonna go update all the boxes just for a prompt. thanks anyway tho |
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| 08:35 | <jm_> | you could simply set the prompt before you connect anyway |
| 08:35 | <jm_> | i mean title |
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| 09:04 | <blackrim> | how many folks have switch to jessie since wheezy release? any problems? about to do that and seeing if there is anything to watch for |
| 09:04 | <abrotman> | blackrim: It depends on your package selection and your desired level of stability. |
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| 09:04 | <Deeps> | stability and security |
| 09:05 | <SynrG> | impossible to quantify. also, see #debian-next for support on testing/unstable |
| 09:05 | <abrotman> | there is no security for jessie |
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| 09:05 | <Deeps> | precisely |
| 09:05 | <blackrim> | what do you mean "no security" |
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| 09:05 | <SynrG> | blackrim: please join us on #debian-next to discuss further. sid faq covers this. |
| 09:06 | <blackrim> | joined. |
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| 09:08 | <yochai> | Hello |
| 09:08 | <yochai> | I'm not positive this is the right channel; forgive me for that. Where can I go to talk about dmraid? |
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| 09:09 | <SynrG> | if you want to be talked out of using it, and you're using debian, you've come to the right place ;) |
| 09:09 | <SynrG> | !dmraid |
| 09:09 | <dpkg> | Fakeraid is a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 09:09 | <yochai> | don't get me started. I hate fakeraid. that being said, i have an issue |
| 09:10 | <yochai> | i have a dead ibm xserve that used to run RHEL, I've got debian sid running (with mdraid, thank you very much) |
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| 09:10 | <SynrG> | you will find interest rather low in helping you use it. however, you can ask if you like. |
| 09:10 | <yochai> | unfortunately I'm trying to get data off this Server X (sorry typo earlier) and it used some sort of motherboard fakeraid |
| 09:11 | <SynrG> | ah. the "someone else used fakeraid and now i'm screwed" problem. well, my sympathy, but ... |
| 09:11 | <yochai> | so typically when this happens dmraid in debian just does its magic and creates the raid group for it; unfortunately that is not the case |
| 09:11 | <yochai> | ha |
| 09:11 | <yochai> | I mean fakeraid sucks and all - but normally any distro with dmraid can just handle it |
| 09:11 | <SynrG> | my understanding is that with fakeraid, since implementations vary, it's not portable. |
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| 09:12 | <yochai> | I just want to mount this simple mirror - normally this is possible with dmraid |
| 09:12 | <SynrG> | hence, software raid == far fewer headaches. |
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| 09:12 | <yochai> | unfortunately dmraid detects the mirrored array as ddfs and not asr (adaptec) |
| 09:12 | <yochai> | and that's about it |
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| 09:12 | <yochai> | all I know is, dmraid says "volume group not activated" and there is nothing under /dev/mapper |
| 09:12 | <yochai> | anyone ever seen this |
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| 09:14 | <SynrG> | since we actively discourage people from using dmraid at all, my guess is that a random sampling of people here at any given time has a high probability of netting you exactly 0 users in your situation. advice #1: get off dmraid as fast as you can. advice #2: if you can't due to unsolved problems with dmraid, post to a broader forum than here expressing your intent to get off it and asking for help with the specific issue you're encountering. |
| 09:14 | <SynrG> | if you ignore advice #1, you probably will not get sympathy or help |
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| 09:15 | <yochai> | I'm not using dmraid; I hate it. this is an old machine that has nothing to do with me. I just want to get data off of it. I'll try to post somewhere else though! Thanks |
| 09:15 | <SynrG> | yup |
| 09:15 | <SynrG> | but leading with "i hate fakeraid and my goal is to get data off of it" is a good start. |
| 09:15 | <SynrG> | rather than "can anyone help with dmraid?" which is a weak ploy |
| 09:16 | <yochai> | Ok, I'll keep that in mind. I DO hate it, btw |
| 09:16 | <SynrG> | :) |
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| 09:16 | <yochai> | I had a twenty minute argument with someone yesterday about why it sucks. Windows. |
| 09:16 | <SynrG> | might have to go to debian-user mailing list or forums for this |
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| 09:16 | <SynrG> | good luck |
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| 09:17 | <Deeps> | SynrG: dmraid and mdraid are different things, right? |
| 09:18 | <SynrG> | indeed |
| 09:18 | <Deeps> | ok, and does the loathing of dmraid extend to dmcrypt? |
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| 09:19 | <SynrG> | the 'dm' there has nothing to do with it. it's just two letters. |
| 09:19 | <Deeps> | (i have a dmcrypt volume running on top of an mdraid array) |
| 09:19 | <SynrG> | in the case of dmcrypt, it stands for 'device mapper |
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| 09:20 | <SynrG> | the device-mapper is not the problem. the fakeraid implementation on the board is. |
| 09:20 | <Deeps> | ok cool |
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| 09:21 | <SynrG> | md avoids talking to the board at all. instead, it implements raid entirely in software. this makes it standard, portable, and supportable. |
| 09:21 | <SynrG> | s/board at all/board at all to do raid/ |
| 09:22 | <Deeps> | that was my understanding of it as well |
| 09:22 | <Deeps> | it's the primary reason why i use md instead of even real hardware raid controllers |
| 09:23 | <Deeps> | as i dont fancy having a spare card running teh same firmware just in case the primary fails and i ever want to access that array again |
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| 09:25 | * | SynrG nods |
| 09:25 | <SynrG> | you definitely need a hot spare for the card if you rely on it. if you're not a large data center *and* have verified the hardware raid controller gives you measurable benefit, it's not worth it. |
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| 10:19 | <citizen> | hey guys each time I reboot xfwm looses window decoration and I need to do 'xfwm4 --replace' to get them back is there any way to make that stick? Just happened one day Im not sure why? |
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| 10:22 | <alesak> | Hi everyone, can anybody point me to right person who is maintaining Amazon EC2 AMI ?, I need to run it to c3.large instance but it is not available (probably just not enabled) for this AMI ami-4e099a74 |
| 10:22 | <SynrG> | citizen: sounds like xfmw4 may be dying. look for errors in your ~/.xsession-errors |
| 10:23 | <SynrG> | alesak: please explain what "Amazon EC2 AMI" is in debian ... |
| 10:23 | <SynrG> | or in relation to debian |
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| 10:24 | <alesak> | it is Debian instance running in Amazon EC2 cloud |
| 10:25 | <SynrG> | so: |
| 10:25 | <SynrG> | https://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image |
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| 10:25 | <SynrG> | alesak: does that help? |
| 10:26 | <SynrG> | alesak: that points to a google group and support page depending on which images you use. |
| 10:27 | <SynrG> | (i.e. preferable to go where they tell you to go, not email the maintainers of specific images directly) |
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| 10:28 | <alesak> | SynrG: exactly, but it seems there is not Sydney region and it looks there is not much info about wheezy, I cannot see any google group? Can you point me there? |
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| 10:29 | <citizen> | SynrG: there are several error messages in that file, unable to locate theme engine in "theme" (themes which IM not using) and somewhere it also said "another Window manager is already running" |
| 10:29 | <citizen> | SynrG: i dont quite understand because its a relatively fresh install |
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| 10:31 | <stderr> | citizen: Maybe put the file up on http://paste.debian.net/ if you want others to take a look at it. |
| 10:31 | <SynrG> | alesak: Questions about the images published by tom@punch.net, visit the ec2debian google group. For more information on images published by RightScale, see the RightScale OSS support page. |
| 10:32 | <alesak> | SynrG: just found it, will try it thanks |
| 10:32 | <SynrG> | alesak: and 'ec2debian' links to https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ec2debian |
| 10:32 | <SynrG> | k |
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| 10:32 | <SynrG> | citizen: yes, that's a very "chatty" log. |
| 10:32 | <citizen> | xsession-errors here: http://dpaste.com/1554813/plain/ - tx for the help! |
| 10:33 | <SynrG> | citizen: is that "another Window manager is already running" after you did the replace? |
| 10:33 | <SynrG> | that may just be informative. |
| 10:33 | <citizen> | SynrG: im not sure because there are no timestamps |
| 10:33 | <SynrG> | citizen: you can logout and login again and see. |
| 10:33 | <citizen> | sure hang on |
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| 10:35 | <stderr> | It would be nice if X-programs were a "little" less chatty... wc -l .xsession-errors => 722975 lines and counting... :-/ |
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| 10:37 | <SynrG> | yeah :/ |
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| 10:38 | <SynrG> | stderr: that's a pathological case. how long has your session been up? |
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| 10:39 | <stderr> | SynrG: Xsession: X session started for pohol at Wed Dec 4 19:25:07 CET 2013 |
| 10:39 | <stderr> | :-) |
| 10:39 | <citizen> | SynrG: logout doesnt reproduce, a reboot did the first time but not the 2nd. I emptied the log before doing a --replace, but it remained empty :s |
| 10:40 | <citizen> | SynrG: thats why i did a 2nd reboot, but then it didn't reproduce the error .... |
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| 10:41 | <citizen> | SynrG: but the message about the window manager already running is present, several times in the current log so I suppose its superficial |
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| 10:43 | <stderr> | citizen: Can you do a ps -Af | grep xfwm4 and see how many xfwm4's you have running? |
| 10:43 | <SynrG> | citizen: or could indicate something's screwed up in how your xfce4 session is started ... |
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| 10:43 | <citizen> | stderr: just 1, it includes the --replace but I didn't start it manually |
| 10:44 | <citizen> | could it be the zoncolor themes I installed? I checked the site but theres no mention of these problems so if it is its not common |
| 10:45 | <stderr> | Can you do a ps -f on the ppid of that process? It should be xfce4-session. |
| 10:45 | <SynrG> | stderr: well, that's a bit longish, yes :) but 16000+ messages a day? still not good. |
| 10:45 | <SynrG> | stderr: what's the biggest offender? you could check for / file a bug if it really bothers you all that much. |
| 10:46 | <stderr> | SynrG: 70166 uniq lines. |
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| 10:46 | <SynrG> | or it could indicate actual problems with your session you're ignoring ... |
| 10:46 | <stderr> | Thunar really REALLY want me to install thunar-volman. |
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| 10:46 | <citizen> | stderr: yes it is the xfce4-session |
| 10:46 | <SynrG> | stderr: and refuses to shut up about it? is that all? |
| 10:46 | <stderr> | ChromiumCompositor has a bunch of lines too. |
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| 11:09 | <Fenhl> | hello. I selected the save install logs option in the installer and now it's stuck at 0% |
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| 11:11 | <Fenhl> | is there a way to cancel this without resetting the whole install process? |
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| 11:16 | <SynrG> | Fenhl: saving the install logs should be a straightforward operation. did you select any unusual options for your install |
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| 11:16 | <SynrG> | ? |
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| 11:16 | <citizen> | I need to start steam like this: SDL_AUDIODRIVER=alsa steam-debian otherwise some games have no sound. But when I place that in a launcher shortcut it says failed to execute command. how can I do that? |
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| 11:17 | <Fenhl> | SynrG: I don't think so |
| 11:17 | <SynrG> | citizen: wrap it in a shell script, e.g. ~/bin/start_steam |
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| 11:18 | <SynrG> | citizen: then you can make a launcher to /home/citizen/bin/start_steam (assuming 'citizen' as your username) |
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| 11:18 | <Fenhl> | SynrG: anyway, we did ctrl-alt-del and restarted from scratch |
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| 11:18 | <SynrG> | citizen: don't forget to chmod a+x ~/bin/start_steam |
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| 11:18 | <SynrG> | Fenhl: which version of debian are you installing? |
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| 11:19 | <Fenhl> | stable amd64 |
| 11:19 | <Fenhl> | SynrG: ^ |
| 11:19 | <citizen> | SynrG: ah right. tx! |
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| 11:19 | <SynrG> | all it should do at the last step is copy the logs into /target/var/log/installer/ |
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| 11:20 | <SynrG> | Fenhl: assuming that /target is still mounted and writable, there should be no problem doing that ... |
| 11:20 | <Fenhl> | SynrG: okay, so we did some partitioning to allow dual-boot with Windows |
| 11:20 | <SynrG> | Fenhl: by escaping to shell? |
| 11:20 | <Fenhl> | no, just the installer |
| 11:21 | <SynrG> | that shouldn't negatively impact your ability to save logs |
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| 11:21 | <SynrG> | if it gets to that point, i would check the error log console output and see if it spits out errors about the failure ... |
| 11:21 | <SynrG> | or otherwise open a shell and see what makes it 'stuck' there |
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| 11:22 | <SynrG> | Fenhl: perhaps you made some error in choosing partition sizes? |
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| 11:23 | <SynrG> | if you copied the logs and the partition were filled up already, i don't know what would happen ... |
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| 11:25 | <Fenhl> | SynrG: what sort of errors is there that we could have made? |
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| 11:28 | <SynrG> | Fenhl: substituting M for G, for instance |
| 11:28 | <SynrG> | Fenhl: or simply using poor judgement |
| 11:29 | <Fenhl> | SynrG: before we did ctrl-alt-del, there was nothing in the console except the “selected writing logs” message |
| 11:29 | <SynrG> | (i.e. guessing you needed less than you actually need) |
| 11:29 | <Fenhl> | s/except/after/ |
| 11:29 | <Fenhl> | I'm not sure what you mean by M or G |
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| 11:29 | <SynrG> | in partman, intending to create, let's say, an 80G partition, and saying "80M" for the size. |
| 11:30 | <SynrG> | or some such |
| 11:30 | <SynrG> | in particular, for /var, or whichever partition /var resides on |
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| 11:32 | <Fenhl> | we just used the maximum as suggested by the installer |
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| 11:32 | <Fenhl> | then it warned us about there being no swap, so we went back and resized / and made a swap |
| 11:32 | <SynrG> | then it should be fine, assuming a reasonable disk size |
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| 11:32 | <Fenhl> | / is ~400GB, swap ~7GB |
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| 11:33 | <SynrG> | really, you don't *need* swap. it will complain bitterly about the lack of swap, but you can choose to ignore that and continue :) |
| 11:33 | <oldlaptop> | You really really should have swap though |
| 11:33 | <SynrG> | sounds right |
| 11:33 | * | SynrG shrugs |
| 11:33 | <oldlaptop> | out-of-memory conditions are not fun |
| 11:33 | <SynrG> | i have some systems where i don't |
| 11:33 | <oldlaptop> | can't even kill(1) a process if there isn't room for kill(1) |
| 11:33 | <SynrG> | e.g. eeepc model 4G, internal 1st-gen 4G ssd |
| 11:34 | <SynrG> | i don't think swap is justified on such a system |
| 11:34 | <oldlaptop> | yes, that's a special case |
| 11:34 | <SynrG> | better to let it die an ugly death |
| 11:34 | <ryan-c> | I'm setting up debmirror, are the normal updates repos actually different form the security updates repos? |
| 11:34 | <ryan-c> | or are the security updates a subset? |
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| 11:35 | <SynrG> | what do you mean by "normal updates repos"? |
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| 11:36 | <SynrG> | !stable-updates |
| 11:36 | <dpkg> | wheezy-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from wheezy-updates will be included in point releases. http://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <wheezy/updates> which is for <security> updates. |
| 11:36 | <daveinlv> | On Squeeze, I'm trying to mount a second drive, sdb1. I'm able to mount the drive via fstab and use it, but both the sdb1 and sdb2 partitions (a smaller ntfs partition) show up in Nautilus. I do not want this! My question is can I configure nautilus to not show these drives? I DO want transient usb drives to show up in Nautilus.. |
| 11:36 | <SynrG> | ryan-c: ^^ this? that is not security. |
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| 11:38 | <SynrG> | daveinlv: isn't "sdb1 showing up in nautilus" desirable? so you're just complaining about sdb2. is that correct? |
| 11:38 | <SynrG> | daveinlv: or if i've got it wrong, please clarify |
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| 11:40 | <daveinlv> | SynrG: No, I don't want either to show up in Nautilus.. The sdb1 ext4 is permanently mounted via fstab.. I don't want it to show up... so neither should show up.. |
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| 11:41 | <daveinlv> | The only time sdb2 (ntfs) will be mounted is when I have a Windows disk in the system as the primary drive.. Debian really doesnt need to see it |
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| 11:43 | <daveinlv> | I guess what I'm asking is it possible to tune Nautilus to only show non-fstab mounted drives? |
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| 11:46 | <SynrG> | daveinlv: i am only just now remembering how nautilus lists these, and i agree. |
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| 11:46 | <SynrG> | daveinlv: sorry i mistracked. |
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| 11:47 | <SynrG> | i'm not a big user of file managers. i tend to disable autostart of them because they mostly just annoy me |
| 11:47 | <SynrG> | i've taken to using lxde *minus* pcmanfm *plus* udisks-glue |
| 11:47 | <SynrG> | i don't know if that helps ... |
| 11:48 | <SynrG> | (udisks-glue provides me with automounting of transient USB drives) |
| 11:49 | <Fenhl> | SynrG: okay, so apparently we tried to save the logs before actually creating them, and it just crashed the thing or something |
| 11:49 | <daveinlv> | SynrG: I've never used LXDE.. Always just Gnome or KDE.. This is a quad-core 8GB laptop so I guess I don't really need a lightweight DM.. :-> |
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| 11:49 | <SynrG> | daveinlv: but you do want "fewer annoying 'big DE' default behaviors" so, just saying :) |
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| 11:50 | <SynrG> | daveinlv: the principle is the same whichever DE you use. |
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| 11:50 | <sney> | "lightweight" is as much of a user-experience concept as it is a system resources one |
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| 11:50 | <SynrG> | it's not necessary always to run a file manager, particularly one that's not doing what you want it to do. |
| 11:51 | <SynrG> | Fenhl: ah. so maybe the menu operation to do so blocked on some IO that hung things right there? |
| 11:51 | <daveinlv> | SynrG: I guess this isnt really a big deal, just kind of annoying.. Maybe I'll give LXDE a try.. |
| 11:52 | <Fenhl> | SynrG: okay, now it's stuck at the “finish the installation” step, at 80%, ad “collection data for the installation report” |
| 11:52 | <daveinlv> | SynrG: Thanks.. I'll be moving on... |
| 11:52 | <SynrG> | daveinlv: my 'ideal' desktop so far :) lxde minus pcmanfm and lxterminal + udisks-glue and urxvt, precisely tuned to my needs & preferences. |
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| 11:54 | <SynrG> | Fenhl: fun times. maybe #debian-boot which supports the installer could help at this stage? just leave things the way they are and see if someone is around to assist |
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| 11:54 | <SynrG> | Fenhl: you might have to be patient to wait for a dev's attention there. it's much quieter over there than here. |
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| 11:55 | <SynrG> | Fenhl: meanwhile, you might be able to poke around at the commandline to find out more about the current state of the system. |
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| 11:55 | <SynrG> | df, lsof, etc. |
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| 11:56 | <Fenhl> | the last log line is “finish-install: info: Running /usr/lib/finish-install.d/94save-logs”, and that was 8 minutes ago |
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| 11:59 | <raf> | tes |
| 12:00 | <Fenhl> | SynrG: it says lsof: command not found |
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| 12:01 | <SynrG> | Fenhl: yeah, the installer environment unfortunately may not have every useful tool that you could want to investiate at this point. but best wait and see what #debian-boot tells us |
| 12:01 | <Fenhl> | right |
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| 12:07 | <ryan-c> | SynrG: Thanks. |
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| 12:08 | <ryan-c> | SynrG: I'm not totally clear on what the difference is, though. Is wheezy-updates a superset of the security updates, totally distinct, or are there shared packages? |
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| 12:14 | <keybaord-cowboy> | why do debian package comes with many errors |
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| 12:16 | <SynrG> | ryan-c: it's the replacement for 'volatile'. things that need to be updated because the world has moved on and the old versions simply don't work anymore. |
| 12:16 | <ryan-c> | Ah. |
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| 12:16 | <SynrG> | anything that might depend on a service with an API that has changed, for example. |
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| 12:17 | <SynrG> | so yes, it's completely distinct. |
| 12:17 | <ryan-c> | okay |
| 12:17 | <ryan-c> | thanks for clearing that up |
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| 12:18 | <SynrG> | hmm |
| 12:18 | <SynrG> | ryan-c: http://www.debian.org/releases/proposed-updates |
| 12:19 | <SynrG> | this says there *is* a flow from security through p-u-new ... |
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| 12:20 | <SynrG> | ryan-c: but since proposed-updates is a general mechanism for including new material in the next point release *and* does not itself apply any security review process *and* is significantly delayed (i.e. the amount of time it takes to go from security to proposed-updates -> point release) is not a conduit for end-users to use to get security updates. |
| 12:20 | <SynrG> | ... is my reading of it, anyway |
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| 12:21 | <SynrG> | and stable-updates *is not* proposed-upates |
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| 12:22 | <SynrG> | it just says in the factoid i cited it takes "some packages (from proposed-updates)" |
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| 12:36 | <stderr_dk> | keybaord-cowboy: What packages? What errors? |
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| 14:21 | <service45> | Привет |
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| 14:22 | <service45> | # |
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| 14:47 | <Kasayarou> | !ru |
| 14:47 | <dpkg> | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 15:45 | <ompaul> | ,v hfsprogs |
| 15:45 | <judd> | Package: hfsprogs on i386 -- squeeze: 332.25-8; wheezy: 332.25-10; jessie: 332.25-11; sid: 332.25-11 |
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| 15:53 | <rostam> | Hi I am trying to start dhcp server: service isc-dhcp-server. However, every time, I get the following message: init: isc-dhcp-server main process(...) killed by TERM signal. why? |
| 15:53 | <dualbus> | rostam: have you checked the logs of the dhcp server? |
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| 15:56 | <rostam> | dualbus, there is nothing in syslog... |
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| 16:06 | <dualbus> | rostam: not syslog, but the program's log that should be in /var/log somewhere |
| 16:07 | <rostam> | dualbus, I think I found out I was making a wrong observation. Thank you so much for your hints. |
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| 16:08 | <dualbus> | (I'll pretend I was actually useful and not just giving random advice): rostam, awesome. |
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| 17:17 | <trico> | i want to use a sd card for a hard drive, preferably putting in the case. i tried a sata to sd adapter but its junk. does anyone know of something similar i could use? |
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| 17:20 | <devil> | trico: sd-cards will not last too long under these circumstances |
| 17:21 | <trico> | thats fine, this computer isnt going to be doing much once it's set up. i need something low power |
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| 17:23 | <trico> | or if anyone knows a reliably brand of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2C513R8185 |
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| 17:24 | <nevyn> | trico: usb sd adapter.. to onboard header? |
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| 17:28 | <trico> | something like that could work, thanks. |
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| 17:29 | <oldlaptop> | trico: If the motherboard is sufficiently old and crusty to have IDE ports, you might consider a CF card |
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| 17:29 | <oldlaptop> | IDE->CF is a simple plug adapter, not much to go wrong |
| 17:29 | <oldlaptop> | or maybe I'm supposed to say PATA now, I don't care |
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| 17:29 | <rostam> | HI trying to create preseed file for ubuntu 12.04. To configure keyboard the content of the my preseed file works fine with dvd media, but using the same preseed for pxe installation, still asks me the question? http://paste.debian.net/76684/ |
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| 17:31 | <trico> | it doesn't. its rather new. im trying to build a cheap low power system to use as a firewall. the sd card is cheap and low power. if i could get a small ssd for about $30 i would |
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| 17:32 | <Deeps> | trico: i think you can get 8-16gb ssds around that price |
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| 17:34 | <oldlaptop> | trico: hm, I was also about to suggest raspberrypi, but firewall isn't the kind of thing those are ideal for |
| 17:34 | <oldlaptop> | even the one onboard 10/100 port is actually a USB device |
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| 17:35 | <Deeps> | oldlaptop: seriously!? |
| 17:35 | <oldlaptop> | yes seriously |
| 17:35 | <Deeps> | damn |
| 17:35 | <oldlaptop> | as far as I know, anyhow |
| 17:36 | <nevyn> | so is the audio controller. |
| 17:36 | <trico> | yeah, the point is to put together something faster than what i could buy. and a raspberri only has one point at most, so that wont work for me |
| 17:36 | <trico> | *port |
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| 17:38 | <nevyn> | so the problem is. |
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| 17:39 | <nevyn> | decent nic's with 0copy etc. are really not cheap |
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| 17:39 | <ghigo> | òjn |
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| 17:42 | <trico> | ill try to find something like this then: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2N511V1909 |
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| 17:43 | <trico> | im also going to enable noatime on the filesystems, i read on archwiki it will cut down on writes |
| 17:43 | <oldlaptop> | yeah, that should fit the bill |
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| 17:44 | <oldlaptop> | noatime should be set on any flash device, probably |
| 17:44 | <oldlaptop> | you might also consider using either ext2 or (more probably) disabling ext4 journaling |
| 17:45 | <oldlaptop> | since journaling adds at least some write overhead |
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| 17:45 | <trico> | isnt that harder to recover from a crash then? |
| 17:46 | <oldlaptop> | Yes, it's something you should think carefully about |
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| 17:48 | <oldlaptop> | trico: what kind of capacity do you need? |
| 17:49 | <oldlaptop> | if the machine is going to be *only* a router you can probably get away with a *very* small disk |
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| 17:49 | <sney> | I ran a pentium 2 with a 4GB hard drive as a router/dhcp server for a bit |
| 17:49 | <trico> | 16gb should be plenty. this will be headless too. it also needs to do dhcp, dns, and hostapd |
| 17:50 | <oldlaptop> | that should fit in 2-4GB, easy |
| 17:50 | <sney> | even my production soho server is only using 3GB on / (which doesn't include the raid) |
| 17:50 | <oldlaptop> | less, if you really try hard (tightly controlled debian installation, or maybe openbsd or something) |
| 17:51 | <trico> | maybe. i need to shop around a bit for an ssd before i decide, also see if the mobo has another usb header |
| 17:51 | <oldlaptop> | you might be able to dodge SD card entirely with a USB header |
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| 17:51 | <oldlaptop> | use some old 4GB pendrive if you have one laying around |
| 17:52 | <trico> | thats true, i cant see that being any slower |
| 17:52 | <oldlaptop> | this is much more space than the application could ever need:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211718 |
| 17:52 | <oldlaptop> | er |
| 17:52 | <oldlaptop> | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211718 |
| 17:52 | <oldlaptop> | could make it double as a lightweight file server with that kind of disk space |
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| 17:53 | <trico> | yeah, more than i want to spend. ill think about adding more services to it if it can handle the network stuff. i have another project in the works for my fileserver anyway |
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| 17:58 | <trico> | thanks for all the adivce guys |
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| 18:01 | <oldlaptop> | hope your router works! |
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| 18:04 | <rostam> | hi How could I make a local mirror of deb pkgs? |
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| 18:05 | <oldlaptop> | http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
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| 18:06 | <rostam> | thx |
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| 18:07 | <rostam> | oldlaptop, after some googling I also find out Rsyncmirror, which one is better? thx |
| 18:08 | <trico> | can also setup squid and have it cache the debs. probably better unless you really want to mirror everything |
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| 18:09 | <musca> | !apt-cacher-ng |
| 18:09 | <dpkg> | apt-cacher-ng is a replacement for <apt-proxy>. Its usage is documented at http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~bloch/acng/ and alternatives comprise <apt-cacher>, <squid deb caching> and <approx>. |
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| 18:18 | <Disconsented> | I am trying to use FileZilla to migrate files between my new and old server, however I get "Error: Unable to initialize gtk, is DISPLAY set properly?" when trying to launch it. Any ideas on how to resolve this? |
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| 18:26 | <Disconsented> | Scratch that i figure out how to do the commandline ftp |
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| 19:26 | <wall0> | Greetings. Is it possible to lock the window size to the Xen Dom0 resolution in Linux using SDL? |
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| 19:48 | <derric> | Is there an up to date color managment app in the debian repos? |
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| 19:52 | <sney> | color management? |
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| 19:56 | <derric> | sney: Yes, for calibrating monitors for photography, video, and printing. |
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| 19:58 | <themill> | argyll is probably the main one used |
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| 20:08 | <derric> | themill: Thanks, I'll check it out. |
| 20:09 | <william1> | Using Debian 7, this is the only thing I could find for my Belkin N450/N600 wireless usb adapter: https://github.com/lwfinger/rtl8192du It works. Anyone know if there will be anything more official? |
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| 20:17 | <sney> | william1: new stuff like that usually windws up in mainline after a while |
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| 22:09 | <quentusrex> | Anyone know of an issue where a wheezy install, www-data user would not be able to create a pid file in /var/run/ |
| 22:11 | <SamB> | precisely what file? |
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| 22:14 | <quentusrex> | I have a fastcgi instance running as www-data that is started through an init.d script, but when trying to drop the pid it's failing with permission denied. |
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| 22:17 | <stderr_dk> | quasisane: /var/run is a link to /run. The permissions on /run only allow root to write there. |
| 22:17 | <stderr_dk> | Oops... quentusrex... |
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| 22:27 | <quentusrex> | stderr_dk, thanks. Turns out it was a very old version of the perl module Daemon::Control |
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| 22:28 | <quentusrex> | the version in cpan works fine, and the one that is in debian wheezy as a package, that one is broken. |
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| 22:41 | <ReAzem> | Hi! I have been troubleshooting my ldap server for a while now. And I have found something! "getent user REAZEM" returns something, but "getent shadow REAZEM" dosen't! REAZEM is a ldap user. What should I troubleshoot? |
| 22:41 | <stderr_dk> | quentusrex: Remember to write a bug report if it haven't been reported already. |
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| 22:48 | <luis> | n |
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| 22:49 | <quentusrex> | stderr_dk, yup. Was in the process of doing so. Now it's sent, and it appears the package version in unstable fixes the issue. |
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