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00:07<Fenhl>hello, I successfully followed the steps for resetting the root password, but now I want to disable the password for logging in as root again
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00:09<Fenhl>is it `sudo passwd --lock root`?
00:10<jeep__>Fenhl: in ssh or sytem wide ?
00:10<Fenhl>system wide
00:10<Fenhl>I mean, sudo should still work, right?
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00:13<jeep__>Fenhl: yes
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00:16<rostam>HI I am reading doc but not sure how to run apt-cache-ng ?
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01:06<Fenhl>I'm looking into installing debian on a MacBook Air 5,2 — is the information on https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple/MacBookAir/5-1 applicable to my model as well?
01:08<Fenhl>the page for the 5,2 does not exist
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01:11<gsimmons>Fenhl: AFAICT, the differences between the 5,1 and 5,2 involve the screen size, CPU type and SSD size; its other hardware components should be the same.
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01:13<Fenhl>gsimmons: well, the 5,2 has a SD card slot, but otherwise I think you're right
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01:50<Fenhl>I have a couple questions about installing debian on a Mac, is there anyone here who has experience with this?
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01:52<qmr>Fenhl: Just ask your question
01:52<qmr>My debian install has hung at update-grub - any suggestions?
01:53<jm_>qmr: is the system still responsive? can you switch to tty2/3/4?
01:53<qmr>jm_: Yes
01:54<Fenhl>okay, first of all, I would like to keep the touchpad features. Is there something like a utility for recognizing touchpad gestures and assigning actions to them?
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01:54<jm_>qmr: then check if there are any messages on tty3/4 and for any files in /tmp from grub
01:54<jm_>(that would be /tmp on your debian fs, /target/tmp IIRC)
01:55<Fenhl>second, basically the same question but for the special keys on the top row of the keyboard (like Mission Control, Dashboard, play/pause)
01:55<qmr>jm_: in fact, I just went to vty2 and was looking at process listings, went back to vty1 and it was fixed -_- going to see if it boots properly now
01:55<jm_>Fenhl: for second there are tools to manage them (I assume this is similar to media keys)
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01:55<Fenhl>it should be the same, yes
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01:56<qmr>This install took forever. not sure if it is the USB key being super slow, or my crappy internet, or what
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01:58<me>anyone here use ecryptfs? can't figure out how to manually remount an encrypted directory...
01:58<me>fenhl : have you tried using a debian live-CD
01:58<me>qmr : are you doing a net-install? or did you download the entire DVD collection.
01:58<me>Fenhl: try out a live-CD of wheezy if your computer is not too new... else try out a live-CD of testing or unstable
01:58<qmr>me: netinst
01:58<Fenhl>third, I have had people warn me about the charger firmware not detecting the battery as full correctly and having it “overcharge” but from my googling I haven't found any reports of the sort. Is this a real concern or just n urban legend?
01:58<Fenhl>me: my MacBook Air doesn't even have a CD drive
01:58<qmr>huh. I logged in and I got a stack trace
01:59<jm_>oops?
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01:59<me>Fenhl: you don't need a CD, you can burn a Live-USB, and then boot from a usb flash drive...
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01:59<Fenhl>I suppose I could try that
02:00<me>Fenhl: The nice thing about the live-usb is that you can try out debian wheezy, testing, and unstable without having to modify your current hard disk installation
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02:02<me>Fenhl: how old is your macbook air?
02:02<Fenhl>a year and a half, it's the 5,2 model
02:02<Fenhl>is there any particular reason for using testing?
02:02<Fenhl>I've been using stable everywhere else
02:03<me>testing should support newer hardware features... if wheezy is working fine for you then that's great!
02:03<Fenhl>right
02:03<me>from your post it sounded like you haven't installed debian yet and were unsure about jumping in...
02:04<Fenhl>“everywhere else” are desktops formerly running Windows
02:04<me>i see...
02:04<me>you get a newer linux kernel with testing, it might help...
02:05<Fenhl>well I'll try stable first anyway
02:05<jm_>you can get a newer kernel for wheezy from bpo
02:06<me>I run testing-xfce in a virtual machine, works well...
02:06<me>i also run wheezy... haven't fooled around with unstable/sid yet though... my laptop is 4 years old...
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02:07<me>i was so sick of windows 7 slowing down to a crawl on this machine... debian is lightning fast.
02:09<me>jm_: i haven't had much luck using the newer kernels in wheezy... it breaks virtualbox on my machine...
02:09<me>it was much easier just to run testing for everything... no stability issues yet...
02:10<jm_>me: you would need newer vbox too of course (that too is available on bpo)
02:11<me>jm_: yah, you are right. it's true that I could probably get it all to work under wheezy, I was just too lazy I guess...
02:12<me>how long do you guys think it will be before jessie is the new stable?
02:13<Fenhl>the release cycle seems to be around 2 years per release, so mid-2015?
02:14<jm_>me: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/10/msg00004.html
02:14<me>great link, thanks.
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02:16<me>so none of you have used ecryptfs eh?
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02:20<dk_>hello guys ??
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02:47<me_>does anyone here use gnupg? a particular front end?
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02:57<stderr_dk>me_: I can't speak for others, but "sometimes" and "no". What's your real question?
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03:01<me_>stderr_dk: what is the easiest way to get started using gnupg?
03:01<me_>any tips for a n00b
03:01<me_>?
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03:03<stderr_dk>I saw a "best practices" guide not that long ago. I'll see if I can find it again...
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03:05<stderr_dk>me_: I think it was this one: http://keyring.debian.org/creating-key.html
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03:07<stderr_dk>me_: Or this one: http://ekaia.org/blog/2009/05/10/creating-new-gpgkey/
03:07<me_>thanks
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03:12<Fenhl>I'm trying to make a live USB key on OS X, but Disk Utility fails with “Could not validate source - Invalid argument”, what am I doing wrong?
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03:14<jm_>you'll probably get better response in osx related channel(s)
03:14<me_>the easiest way to make a live usb is to download a live iso-hybrid image and use the "dd" command from the debian terminal
03:14<me_>in windows you can use unetbootin to burn the iso to the usb
03:14<me_>on a mac... I dunno.
03:16<me_>OS X is based on freebsd right?
03:16<me_>you might have the dd" command
03:16<Fenhl>it's a BSD, I don't think freebsd though
03:16<Fenhl>which image is the right one?
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03:17<me_>you need an "iso-hybrid" type image, and make sure that you pick the right processor architecture.
03:18<Fenhl>like this one? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/debian-live-7.2-amd64-standard.iso.torrent
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03:19<me_>i would look here instead... http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
03:19<me_>this is for a jessie live, not wheezy though
03:19<me_>you can look down the list and select the desktop you want.
03:20<me_>i would recommend either kde or xfce
03:20<Fenhl>wait, I thought 7.2 was wheezy
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03:20<me_>you're right
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03:20<me_>i copied the wrong link
03:20<me_>that one was for a wheezy image
03:21<Fenhl>I'd like to try if wheezy works first anyway, so thanks
03:21<me_>if you use the "dd" command to burn the usb image, be very careful.
03:21<Fenhl>standard is without a desktop, right?
03:21<me_>it has the nickname of "destroy disk"
03:22<Fenhl>heh
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03:23<me_>ya, my guess is that standard has no desktop environment
03:23<me_>haven't tried it.
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03:24<fgeek>hello. while verifying a security issue I noticed that I'm unable to install xpdf to unstable. error is "libfontconfig1 : Breaks: xpdf (<= 3.03-11) but 3.03-11 is to be installed." could someone tell me whats up with that? does it say somewhere that libfontconfig1 does not work with that version or how does it know that? do I need to report a bug about this?
03:24<Fenhl>well I want to try kde anyway
03:24<Fenhl>okay, so my OS X has a POSIX-compatible dd command
03:24<jm_>for unstable use #debian-next
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03:26<stderr_dk>me_: You don't want to use unetbootin...
03:26<stderr_dk>!unetbootin
03:26<dpkg>UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
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03:27<me_>can he get unetbootin on a mac? I thought it only worked on windows...
03:29<me_>Fenhl: stderr is right. if you can install unetbootin you should probably use it... the gui would make things easier for you.
03:30<Fenhl>wait what
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03:30<Fenhl>didn't stderr_dk just say the exact opposite?
03:30<jm_>indeed, we don't recommend unetbootin here
03:30<me_>oh, ok.
03:30<Fenhl>lol
03:30<me_>i've used both ways and found each to work fine...
03:31<me_>up to you, depends how comfortable your are with the command line...
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03:32<Fenhl>pretty comfortable, I just never used dd before
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03:33<me_>when i burn my iso's I just use " dd if=path_to_iso/the_image.iso of=/dev/sdb "
03:33<me_>where /dev/sdb is the path to my usb flash drive
03:33<me_>on OSX i'm not sure what the path to your usb flash drive would look like.
03:34<jm_>are you sure these images work for EFI systems as is?
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03:34<me_>EFI... ahh, not sure...
03:34<Fenhl>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19164893/how-to-make-a-debian-live-usb-efi
03:35<stderr_dk>You could ask dpkg about the other factoids it mentioned. /msg dpkg hybrid images and so on.
03:36<jm_>ahh ok so it's ready
03:36<Fenhl>from what dpkg is saying, it should work… I just need to wait for the iso to finish downloading
03:36<me_>again be careful with the dd command, if you type the output path to the wrong drive, like your hard drive with all of that valuable data that you haven't backed up in a while,it could give you a bad day...
03:38<me_>when dd is done with the flash drive, it will erase the entire drive and leave only the image on a hidden partition. using gparted you can create a new partition in the remaining free space on the drive to store files or persistent settings...
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03:44<me_>going back to our previous discussion about unetbootin, i see why i never had a problem with it... i never installed the os from the live media, i just ran live sessions...
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03:45<Fenhl>ah, so the live media can also be used for installing the full system after trying it out?
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03:45<Fenhl>that's convenient
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03:46<me_>not all live images i've come across have it, but i think those links i sent you do.
03:47<jm_>you can always use debootstrap from them
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03:58<me_>i would also recommend virtualbox if you are not already using it... it allows you to play around with a bunch of different OS's/distros until you've found what you like most.
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04:35<danialbehzadi>Hi. I upgraded my Debian experimental last night and now I can not run the gdm3. I think it's related somehow to systemd since the system is not booted with it
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04:36<jm_>this channel is for stable releases, try #debian-next
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04:38<me_>can't get linux host to guest shared clipboard working in virtualbox... any ideas for a fix?
04:38<RageRiot|>I'm trying to run a windows .exe on debian with wine. the application is a console based. I have setup the server via ssh and have not installed any sort of X. I installed wine with apt-get install wine but I get an error
04:38<RageRiot|>unable to find wine executable: the wine32 package probably needs to be installed.
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04:39<me_>i never had good luck with wine... try virtualbox
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04:40<jm_>me_: are you sure this is not the good old x cutbuffer/selection mechanism?
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04:41<jm_>in other words, try "selecting" it (for example, mark text in say iceweasel and copy it with ctrl-c)
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04:42<RageRiot|>heh, virtualbox is a bit ott for a tiny .exe
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04:43<RageRiot|>does the wine package omit wine32 without X installed
04:43<jm_>so who says unable to find wine executable?
04:43<RageRiot|><
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04:44<me_>jm_: so i go to the machine settings and enable a bi-directional clipboard, then ctrl-c some text in the host, and then ... no luck in the guest
04:44<RageRiot|>I have no use for GUI's etc.. I just need to import .reg values and then launch the .exe ( its for a game server component )
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04:45<jm_>me_: that works fine for me
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04:45<me_>it paste's whatever was in the guest's clipboard
04:45<me_>i'm on debian wheezy
04:46<me_>3.2 kernel
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04:46<me_>the guest is a debian jessie
04:47<me_>actually, i'm chatting through the guest right now...
04:47<jm_>wheezy with custom 3.9 kernel here, virtualbox 4.2.16, guest is windows 7
04:48<me_>in help-about it shows virtualbox 4.18
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04:49<me_>guess i do need to upgrade
04:49<me_>i wanted to stick with the stable repos though...
04:49<me_>uggh.
04:49<jm_>i deleted a debian vm last week so can't test with that
04:49<jm_>this is for stable from bpo
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06:26<n0br3g4>hola
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06:26<n0br3g4>spain?
06:27<jm_>!es
06:27<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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06:47<RageRiot|>is there anyway to run a .exe with wine without X ( It's console apps )
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06:49<SynrG>RageRiot|: xvfb
06:50<SynrG>hmm
06:50<SynrG>'console app' means nothing
06:50<SynrG>not in the context of wine
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06:50<RageRiot|>so it means somthing then
06:50<SynrG>i mean, you could use xvfb to discard all visual output
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06:50<RageRiot|>:P
06:50<SynrG>wine is fundamentally x11-based so far as i know
06:50<RageRiot|>would I just install xvfb
06:51<SynrG>no
06:51<SynrG>you would run xvfb to create a virtual framebuffer device
06:51<SynrG>and you would direct the wine app's DISPLAY to that virtual display
06:51<RageRiot|>ok
06:51<SynrG>read the man page :)
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06:52*RageRiot| tired of manuals
06:52<planetmaker>wine is x11-based. But you can still use it to run stuff on a headless server
06:52<RageRiot|>thats my intention.
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06:52<planetmaker>it will still complain though
06:52<SynrG>RageRiot|: the EXAMPLES section is quite clear
06:52<RageRiot|>the app is a game component that talks to other services
06:53<SynrG>running the app with xvfb will make it not copmlain
06:53<SynrG>complain*
06:53<planetmaker>https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/nml/221/console
06:53<RageRiot|>ok thanks I'll look into it
06:53<takis>how can replace a line in text file with another? e.g. image=/opt/images -> image=/usr/share/image
06:54<SynrG>planetmaker: ah. i didn't know that.
06:54<SynrG>planetmaker: is that uniformly true, or only true for a certain class of app?
06:54<planetmaker>Not exactly sure. I actually would expect it to not work in all cases
06:54<jm_>takis: sed, perl ...
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07:01<RageRiot|>SynrG: I install xvfb via apt-get but get -bash: xvfb: command not found
07:01<RageRiot|>when I try to run
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07:02<SynrG>RageRiot|: get over being "tired of manuals", then.
07:02<RageRiot|>thats a really smart answer. I said it couldnt be found
07:03<SynrG>get used to using apropos
07:03<SynrG>and dpkg -L
07:03<SynrG>i mean, take some *basic* interest in how to find doc on your system, and use it, ok? :)
07:04<SynrG>punting everything you don't understand gets tiresome
07:04<SynrG>punting to irc, i mean
07:04<RageRiot|>SynrG: I'm like like everyone else and it's insulting to be treated like I cant read
07:04<planetmaker>aptitude finds xvfb
07:04<RageRiot|>a manual isnt going to make an executeable appaeara
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07:05<stderr>RageRiot: Put dpkg -L might...
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07:05<SynrG>RageRiot|: both the manual *and* the executables are there. but you haven't done *step one* to find what the package contains.
07:05<SynrG>RageRiot|: which is dpkg -L
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07:06<SynrG>as for "insulting", i didn't mean to insult. i did mean to express my frustration with you, however, because you *led* with "i'm tired of manuals" making you look like someone unwilling to help themselves.
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07:06<SynrG>that kind of user is tedious
07:07<SynrG>unlearn that habit quick
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07:08<RageRiot|>SynrG: it was a tongue n cheek comment. I know alot of users dont but please dont assume we all dont
07:09<RageRiot|>I usually spend a good hour searching before I ask for help
07:09<SynrG>so using "dpkg -L" is new to you? sorry. i had assumed at least that basic level of skill ...
07:10<SynrG>coupled with your earlier comment it did *look* just lazy
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07:10<SynrG>so, my apologies if that's not what it was
07:10<RageRiot|>yes, I started using linux on my desktop 4 months ago and got a server project last week
07:10<RageRiot|>I've not used dpkg much, yet.
07:10<SynrG>!debian-handbook
07:10<dpkg>The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also can be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>.
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07:11<SynrG>good thing to read and put under your pillow :)
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07:11<SynrG>moving along, by now you should have found the binary is called Xvfb (for historical reasons, X servers start with a capital X) ...
07:11<SynrG>and there's a handy xvfb-run wrapper that may be easier.
07:12<stderr>SynrG: Unless you're reading it on your rackserver... Putting that under your pillow is a bad idea...
07:12<SynrG>heh
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07:12<RageRiot|>lol got it dam capital X
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07:20<mailuy>hola
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07:21<mailuy>:)
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07:23<mailuy>:)
07:23<stderr>mailuy: Do you have a debian question?
07:23<Maulkin>!es-social
07:23<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
07:23*Maulkin randomly guesses
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07:30<dao04>it is nice
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07:30<dao04>whoami
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07:30<mailuy>:P
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07:32<stderr>dao04: What is nice?
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07:32<mailuy>the world ^_^
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07:34<dao04>nice
07:34<SynrG>do you have a debian support question? otherwise, #debian-offtopic or #moocows, thanks
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07:52<abhilash>hw to configure wifi over hp proo book
07:53<jm_>!wifi
07:53<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
07:53<jm_>visit that web page
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07:58<abhilash>look i have ralink
07:59<abhilash>ralink 3290
07:59<nevyn>mmm...
07:59<nevyn>!rtl3290
07:59<abhilash>ya
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07:59<nevyn>!ralink
07:59<dpkg>Ralink Technology Corp. is a wireless LAN chipset manufacturer. Drivers for many Ralink chipsets are present in mainline Linux kernels, ask me about <rt2x00>. For support of 802.11n devices, ask me about <rt2800>.
07:59<jm_>!rt3290
07:59<dpkg>The Ralink RT3290 is a PCIe 802.11n and Bluetooth 3.0 + HS device. Its wireless LAN component (PCI ID 1814:3290) is supported by <rt2800pci> since Linux 3.6. Firmware is required and packaged since firmware-ralink 0.37. Debian 7 "Wheezy" users: ask me about <bdo kernel> and install firmware-ralink from <wheezy-backports>.
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08:00<abhilash>hw to install Ralink 3290 driver
08:01<babilen>abhilash: You want to install a backported kernel (follow the instructions in <bdo kernel>) and make sure you grab firmware-ralink (and any other firmware package you need) from backports too. (/msg dpkg bdo kernel)
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08:01<abhilash>wat u mean by backport kernel
08:02<babilen>dpkg: tell abhilash -about backports
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08:02<babilen>abhilash: And it would be much appreciated if you could refrain from using "u" in lieu of "you" as there are many non-native speakers around and it simply looks stupid. :)
08:02<nemazoty>hello! I've just installed the i386 latest stable Debian (v7.3.0) + Gnome (shell 3.4.2). But the panel menu doesn't show up. Alt+Rightclick doesn't work either. Help please!
08:02<SynrG>!standard english
08:02<dpkg>Use standard <english> to portray yourself as an intelligent, articulate person. In middle school, <u> <wud> (you would) have thought this was cute. But here, it makes you harder to understand, especially for non-native speakers of English. See also <ne1>.
08:03-!-mode/#debian [+l 662] by debhelper
08:03<SynrG>babilen: ^^ just made this yesterday :)
08:03<nemazoty>hello! I've just installed the i386 latest stable Debian (v7.3.0) and Gnome (shell 3.4.2). But the panel menu doesn't show up. Alt+Rightclick doesn't work either. Help please!
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08:04<nemazoty>I want to autohide all of the panels
08:04<babilen>SynrG: Oh, much apprecited :)
08:04<babilen>+ correct spelling ;)
08:05<SynrG>nemazoty: welcome to gnome3. as you've discovered, things are a little different.
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08:06<SynrG>nemazoty: what do you mean by "the panel menu"? if you're expecting a gnome2-style menu of applications, that is gone from gnome3.
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08:06<SynrG>nemazoty: as for the top panel, that is always present by default. there may be some way to hide with extensions ...
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08:07<nemazoty>strange, that after clicking on the Panel program, the little icon shows up on the top bar and after a couple of seconds it disappeared
08:07<abhilash>hey pls tell me hw to intall wifi driver over hp probook
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08:07<SynrG>nemazoty: "the Panel program"? "the little icon"? sorry, we don't know what you're looking at
08:07<SynrG>abhilash: you've been told, in *detail*
08:07<abhilash>wer?
08:07<SynrG>abhilash: some of the answers are in a separate window coming from dpkg bot
08:08<SynrG>abhilash: maybe you didn't notice it?
08:08<abhilash>look i m nt getting answers over there
08:08<abhilash>is saw tht
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08:08<SynrG>abhilash: you need to explain *specifically* what you don't understand.
08:08<SynrG>abhilash: otherwise, we can't help
08:09<SynrG>09:01 < babilen> abhilash: You want to install a backported kernel (follow the instructions in <bdo kernel>) and make sure
08:09<SynrG> you grab firmware-ralink (and any other firmware package you need) from backports too. (/msg dpkg bdo kernel)
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08:09<SynrG>abhilash: ^^ following those instructions, what part do you still not understand?
08:09<nemazoty>SynrG, sorry, I'm new in linux ;) I mean System tools / Panel (=program)
08:09<SynrG>abhilash: you need to type: /msg dpkg bdo kernel
08:09<abhilash>look wat is backported level
08:10<SynrG>abhilash: we told you how to ask the dpkg bot. just follow those instructions.
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08:13<SynrG>nemazoty: i still don't know what, specifically, is in front of you, what region of the screen, what you are clicking on, and what you see as a result.
08:13<SynrG>nemazoty: nor what you expected to see instead ... so please try to be precise.
08:14<abhilash>look synrg pls try to help us i am new in linux
08:14<SynrG>09:09 < SynrG> abhilash: you need to type: /msg dpkg bdo kernel
08:14<babilen>abhilash: Our bot sent you a private message about backports. A backported kernel is simply, well, a kernel that has been backported (i.e. a newer kernel from testing tailored for stable)
08:14<SynrG>abhilash: ^^ did you do this?
08:15<jm_>another option is to just give up
08:15<SynrG>abhilash: if you type what i tell you to type, you get an explanation.
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08:15<abhilash>g> babilen wants you to know: A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
08:16<abhilash>i got this
08:16<themill>great, that tells you what a backport is
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08:16<babilen>abhilash: Yes, exactly. But you don't have to paste it into the channel as we are familiar with it ;)
08:16<SynrG>and you wanted to know what a backport *kernel* is, and the instruction i gave you to type would tell you that.
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08:16<SynrG>and also *how* to install it
08:16<babilen>bonus!
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08:18<jose>hi
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08:19<nemazoty>SynrG, ok, so I have a vanilla Install (hungarian). I want an option to autohide all the top/bottom/etc bars on the screen. Could you suggest a solution?
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08:20<SynrG>nemazoty: if you have top *and* bottom bars, you're in gnome classic.
08:20<SynrG>nemazoty: this is a fallback when your graphics driver either can't do 3d accel or is misconfigured so that 3d accel isn't enabled
08:21<SynrG>or if you specifically chose that session type from the login menu
08:21<nemazoty>SynrG, no. I see bars everywhere :)
08:21<SynrG>it's a less-capable desktop than gnome-shell
08:21<nemazoty>icons on the left...
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08:21<SynrG>if you have icons on the left, then you have no permanent bottom bar
08:22<SynrG>that will only appear for transient notifications
08:22<nemazoty>I've installed (i386...netinst.iso) on a Zotac ID18
08:22<SynrG>so you already have *half* what you want
08:22<nemazoty>:)
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08:23<SynrG>nemazoty: if you're really in gnome-shell, not gnome classic, you have two hot-corners, the upper left and lower right ...
08:23<nemazoty>yes
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08:23<SynrG>the top bar contains vital status info and shouldn't be autohidden. however, if you do want to autohide it, there may be a 3rd party gnome extension to do it ...
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08:24<SynrG>unfortunately, debian wheezy is rather far behind the current upstream version. so third-party extensions may or may not work for your particular version of gnome-shell.
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08:25<SynrG>for example there is https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/740/hide-top-panel/
08:25<SynrG>"works in GNOME shell 3.8, 3.10" ...
08:25<SynrG>,v gnome-shell
08:25<judd>Package: gnome-shell on i386 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-7+deb7u1; jessie: 3.8.4-5; sid: 3.8.4-5; experimental: 3.10.1-1
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08:25<SynrG>wheezy is 3.4 ...
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08:26<nemazoty>SynrG, and what about the laeft icon panel, etc?
08:26<SynrG>nemazoty: you can continue to search the extensions site and see if there's on that does this job that supports your version of gnome-shell
08:27<SynrG>that *only* shows in overview mode, so what's the problem?
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08:27<nemazoty>SynrG, ok, thanks. I'll try that
08:27<SynrG>(or maybe it doesn't for gnome-shell 3.4? i forget ...)
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08:28<SynrG>since i have gnome-shell 3.8 (sid) i have a hard time remembering what wheezy looked like.
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08:28<SynrG>nemazoty: so just to clarify, the extension i cited above says it is for a version of gnome-shell you don't have :p )
08:28<SynrG>so you need to search a bit and see if you find one that is supported
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08:29<nemazoty>SynrG, ok.
08:29<ivanooov>hi :)
08:29<nemazoty>byez
08:29<SynrG>and do be aware that 3rd-party extensions aren't formally supported by debian. if/when you hit problems, first thing to try is disable your extensions.
08:29<SynrG>good luck
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08:34<nemazoty>re
08:34<nemazoty>SynrG, just a quick report. In fallback (Gnome Classic) mode it works without any extension!
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08:36<nemazoty>partners
08:36<nemazoty>sorry
08:37<jana>hallo
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08:38<jana>hallooo??
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08:43<abhilash>hey ths wd cums in updates rite??
08:43<jana>what??
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08:43<devil_>abhilash: english?
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08:43<jana>ahh from where you are?
08:44<abhilash>look those backports wch they have said wd be instald automaticaly na wen update this linux
08:45<abhilash>wen i update yhis linux
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08:45<jana>can you wrote german please3??
08:45<Maulkin>abhilash: What version of Debian are you running?
08:45<Maulkin>!de
08:45<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
08:45<abhilash>hw to chek tht?
08:45<themill>abhilash: is there some other language you'd rather seek help in?
08:45<Maulkin>abhilash: What did you install?
08:45<babilen>abhilash: What is your native language?
08:45<Maulkin>themill: he's English.
08:45<Maulkin>(Or IP is...)
08:45<themill>Maulkin: I know the IP is.
08:46<abhilash>How can i check which debain iam running
08:46<Maulkin>abhilash: What did you install?
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08:46<Maulkin>abhilash: Is this the computer you're typing from at the moment?
08:46<abhilash>i didnt install any of then i just updated
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08:46<abhilash>yaaa
08:47<abhilash>i am typing from this computer
08:47<Maulkin>abhilash: You need to ask a ubuntu help channel then... two seconds
08:47<Maulkin>!ubutu-irc
08:47<Maulkin>!ubuntu-irc
08:47<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
08:47<Maulkin>abhilash: Right click on that link above, and choose connect
08:47<abhilash>ok thanks
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08:49<ToApolytoXaos>come someone help me with this crazy issue? /usr/sbin/grub-bios-setup: warning: your core.img is unusually large. It won't fit in the embedding area. /usr/sbin/grub-bios-setup: error: embedding is not possible, but this is required for RAID and LVM install.
08:50<ToApolytoXaos>grub2 got installed on my system and obviously tries to upgrade a legacy grub
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08:53<Maulkin>ToApolytoXaos: What version of Debian is this?
08:53<ToApolytoXaos>testing
08:53<ToApolytoXaos>with the latest available updates
08:53<Maulkin>ToApolytoXaos: Try #debian-next for support for testing :)
08:54<ToApolytoXaos>thank you
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09:10<abhilash>How could one upgrade a kernel on Ubuntu to a newer version in a supported way?
09:10<stderr>!ubuntu
09:10<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
09:10<themill>abhilash: you'd start by asking in #ubuntu
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09:11<abhilash>i askd no one knows
09:11<abhilash>please asist me
09:11<stderr>Then you wait until someone _in that channel_ knows.
09:11<themill>patience...
09:12<abhilash>wat is this channel for?
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09:12<stderr>Debian support.
09:12<stderr>And debian != ubuntu.
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09:16<SynrG>abhilash: you again? yes, this isn't an ubuntu support channel. i wish we knew this last time.
09:17<SynrG>abhilash: i'm sorry you're having such difficulty, but here's some advice:
09:17<SynrG>!ubuntuirc abhilash
09:17<dpkg>abhilash: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
09:17<SynrG>please note that the #ubuntu channel is not on this irc network. if you're looking on the #ubuntu on this network, that may explain why you're not getting help.
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09:18<SynrG>stderr: and please in future use this more informative factoid. people who are *really* lost, probably will fail with the <ubuntu> instructions because it assumes they know how to get to freenode
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09:20<SynrG>ok, nvm. i see abhilash is finally in the right place. yay :)
09:20<stderr>SynrG: I'll try to remember that. (But I don't usually keep track of anything related to Ubuntu, so I can't promise anything...)
09:21<planetmaker>the problem with many factoids is that one has to remember them :) debhelper surely knows more commands than one can remember when only using it infrequently :)
09:21<SynrG>for helpers: a) notice what the more experienced helpers use frequently and emulate them b) keep a query window open to dpkg bot and do exploratory queries (listkeys, etc.) to find the most suitable factoid.
09:22<SynrG>and 'ubuntuirc' is not by any stretch of the imagination 'infrequently used'
09:22<planetmaker>:) true that
09:24<Maulkin>SynrG: I wonder if a dpkg cheat sheet for common factoids would be useful...
09:24*Maulkin adds to the ever growing list of todo items
09:24<SynrG>probably, yeah
09:24<babilen>dpkg: tell abhilash -about install debian
09:24<SynrG>themill: we can easily generate statistics like that, right?
09:25<themill>dpkg's recently used / frequently used are probably enough
09:25<babilen>abhilash: You could install debian and follow the instructions we gave you earlier.
09:25<themill>http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/stats.php?q=recently-requested
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09:27<themill>we could sort them by number of times requested and perhaps hide aliases or something
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09:28<SynrG>themill: yeah. that would be nice.
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09:28<Maulkin>themill: If you do that, I'll cheat-sheet-ify it
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09:29<themill>yell at me if I haven't done it in a couple of weeks ;)
09:29<themill>(or just send patches!)
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09:55<kelkoobenoitr>does anyone know why xemacs is in squeeze and jessie, but not in wheezy ??
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10:01<jordanm>kelkoobenoitr: because upstream has been dead for years
10:02<jordanm>kelkoobenoitr: there were likely RC bugs at the time of the wheezy freeze
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10:03<SynrG>kelkoobenoitr: you know emacs ships with a gui since several releases back, right?
10:03<SynrG>emacs and xemacs were divergent projects to accomplish similar things (make a gui version of emacs)
10:03<SynrG>emacs won.
10:04<SynrG>this is now ancient history.
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10:07<berto>what happend to the guy who wanted to bring it back to debian? he never did it in the end?
10:08*SynrG shrugs
10:08<SynrG>beyond not caring ;)
10:08<kelkoobenoitr>jordanm: thanx for the info
10:09<kelkoobenoitr>SynrG: sure i know. i am an emacs addicted person, but in my company there are still few xemacs users ...
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10:15<SynrG>kelkoobenoitr: sounds like you might be an ideal contributor to get it back in ;)
10:16<SynrG>oh, you're complaining it's in sid/jessie but not in wheezy. so it *is* back in
10:16<SynrG>well, theoretically, it could be backported.
10:16<SynrG>!ssb
10:16<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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10:18<SynrG>berto: and that's your answer, too
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10:19<kelkoobenoitr>SynrG: well i am not a big fan of xemacs and actually it seems that installing squeeze version just works
10:19<kelkoobenoitr>so i guess i will put it in my local repo as is. This is only for very few users.
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10:20<SynrG>"seems that"
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10:20<SynrG>kelkoobenoitr: ^^ until it doesn't. and then ... pain
10:20<SynrG>probably better to do the simple backport :)
10:20<snogglethorpe>can always just install it from source anyway, that's usually not very hard
10:21<SynrG>still better to do the simple backport
10:21<kelkoobenoitr>that will be a good reason for them to migrate to something that is still evolving like emacs
10:21<SynrG>kelkoobenoitr: if you're giving them support, you'll be the one to suffer the most, i bet :p
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10:21<fcp13>hi
10:22<fcp13>anyone can help install nvidia quadro k1100m
10:22<fcp13>?
10:22<fcp13>i'm trying to use bumblebee
10:22<SynrG>kelkoobenoitr: anyway, wishing you the best. at my company deferring migrating someone to a supported version has never made it easier in future ... just saying :)
10:22<fcp13>but nvidia doesn't start
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10:23<kelkoobenoitr>SynrG: will think about it :D . Anyway thanks for the info ;)
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10:24<SynrG>np
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10:34<berto>SynrG: I also don't care about xemacs, I was just curious
10:34<berto>:)
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11:25<micechal>I'd like to create a mirror of some publicly available directory
11:25<micechal>I guess I'll use rsync for that
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11:25<micechal>but what about the web server? I want this mirror to be available to other people
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11:26<micechal>could you give me some ideas?
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11:26<micechal>I want it to be as lightweight as possible, the server's got only 128 mb ram
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11:29<sney>micechal: if all you're doing is serving static files, any webserver will be fine and won't use much memory
11:29<micechal>yeah, I only want to host a mirror of files
11:29<SynrG>nginx is a popular 'small' web server
11:29<micechal>and check if the remote directory has changed like every 3 hours
11:29<micechal>and if it changed, then fetch the changed files
11:30<micechal>so I should use nginx?
11:30<sney>nginx is a popular 'small' server, but even apache would have a tiny memory footprint for this use case. just use whatever you're comfortable setting up.
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11:30<micechal>I'm not comfortable with anything really
11:30<sney>last time I checked, nginx's english docs were not great
11:30<micechal>I've never done this before
11:31<sney>apache is documented everywhere
11:31<micechal>so it's easier for the first time?
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11:31<micechal>what about lighttpd?
11:32<sney>lighttpd is pretty well documented too, I think
11:32<micechal>so you say it doesn't really matter for such use
11:32<micechal>then I'll roll a dice :P
11:32<micechal>thanks
11:32<sney>np
11:32<SynrG>micechal: you could search for people blogging comparisons ...
11:33<SynrG>micechal: at least that way you make an informed decision rather than asking <random irc people>
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11:33<micechal>and about the updating, is cron good for that?
11:33<sney>(but those comparisons almost always involve running some memory-heavy cms..)
11:33<SynrG>not if you weight your search criteria properly :)
11:33<sney>cron is what you use to repeat a task every x period of time
11:33<micechal>yes
11:33<micechal>I want to check when the remote directory chnaged
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11:34<micechal>so I keep an up to date mirror
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11:35<SynrG>i favour event-driven approaches over polling, but sure, cron is probably good enoug
11:35<SynrG>enough*
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11:35<micechal>it's going to be like 3 hours
11:35<micechal>so not that often
11:35<micechal>thanks
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11:41<micechal>I chose nginx
11:41<sney>hopefully more of their docs have been translated into english then. though it should be easy for static file hosting.
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11:42<micechal>http://wiki.dreamhost.com/Web_Server_Performance_Comparison
11:42<micechal>that made me chose it
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11:42<micechal>probably it won't matter on my VPS, but for the sake of optimization
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11:55<micechal>!sources
11:55<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
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12:14<micechal>http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy-updates/Release Unable to find expected entry 'mai/binary-amd64/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)
12:14<micechal>I've used the sources the bot gave me
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12:14<micechal>are they proper?
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12:22<Arrowmaster>micechal: wait a little bit and try again, sometimes the mirrors get minor issues and stuff like that happens
12:22<micechal>ok
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15:08<andre>hi
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15:09<andre>is there a way to see informations about an installed package like program-version. and/or changelog?
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15:11<SynrG>andre: those are two quite different pieces of information. which do you want to see?
15:11<SynrG>andre: changelogs are in /usr/share/doc/<nameofpackage>
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15:12<dualbus>IIRC dpkg -l lists installed packages, so you can grep that. And about the change log, some packages have the changelog.Debian.gz in /usr/share/doc, like SynrG said
15:12<SynrG>andre: as for 'program-version' do you mean the version# output by a given program? or do you really just mean the *package* version? as dualbus has indicated ...
15:12<SynrG>those can be different things.
15:12<SynrG>typically a given command-line program would respond to "programname --version"
15:13<andre>ahh i founded installed-package informations via apt-cache
15:13<dualbus>Uhm, apt-cache also shows installed version? I thought it just queried the package database...
15:13<SynrG>andre: also to dig out specific fields from the packages cache and other sources, there is "grep-dctrl" (see the dctrl-tools package)
15:13<andre>virtualbox dont have this option
15:14<andre>dualbus: apt-cache show <package>
15:14<SynrG>dualbus: well, not strictly true. "apt-cache policy packagename"
15:15<dualbus>andre: but that's not an installed package, that's what you have in your local database (i.e. the database fetched with apt-get update)
15:15<SynrG>look at the "Installed" field
15:15<dualbus>SynrG: ah, that's nice to know
15:15<babilen>dualbus: If you could be a bit more specific about what you really want we might be able to help you better. apt-cache policy is certainly an option, as if dpkg -l and some other commands. What do you need the information for?
15:16<dualbus>babilen: :) it's not my question.
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15:16<babilen>*sigh*
15:16<dualbus>(though thank's to SynrG I learned that I can get more info about installed packages using apt-cache policy, thanks!)
15:16<babilen>s/dualbus/andre/
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15:48<ixi>is there any way to get emacs 24 on wheezy without manually building it ?
15:48<ixi>,v emacs24-nox
15:48<judd>Package: emacs24-nox on i386 -- jessie: 24.3+1-2+b1; sid: 24.3+1-2+b1
15:48<ixi>:(
15:49<oldlaptop>ixi: Depends on what you mean by 'manually building'
15:49<melmothX>it's backportable
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15:49<melmothX>!ssd
15:49<dpkg>The "Drive" in Solid-state Drive (SSD) is really a misnomer. SSD storage is basically a huge block of RAM chips that functions like a hard drive. SSD drives (obviously) are extremely expensive, but offer very high data speeds that are necessary in some applications. They can also be used as large caches on huge RAID subsystems. See also <ssd limit>.
15:49<melmothX>!ssb
15:49<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
15:49<sney>!msg the bot
15:49<dpkg>Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others.
15:50<melmothX>sney: it was not meant for me, but for ixi regarding emacs24
15:50<oldlaptop>that SSD snippet is at the very least misleadingly vague in the first place :/
15:51<sney>melmothX: "if you're helping people, you can make sure you have the right factoid..."
15:51<melmothX>sney: ok, apologies for getting the last char wrong
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16:08<ixi>thanks melmothX
16:08<ixi>I'll give that a try
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16:10<melmothX>ixi: be warned, it will build all 3 flavours, so it will take much more time than a plain ./configure && make && make install
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16:20<oldlaptop>melmothX: it does use parallel make though?
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16:45<freech>Hey, I am installing a server based on debian stable and am wondering why apache 2.2.22 is running (system is updated) instead of .26 (6 security fixes since .22)? thx
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16:47<sney>freech: see how the version is 2.2.22-13? the -13 is the debian patch version. I haven't looked at the changelog personally, but I bet if you look, you'll see those security fixes have been backported to 2.2.22
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16:48<freech>ah ok, I didn't know about this, will check, thx
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16:48<sney>'apt-get changelog' will deliver it to your terminal
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16:48<quentusrex>Anyone know what happens between a hardware device being detected in lspci, and that hardware device showing up properly as a network device in 'ip a' ?
16:48<sney>quentusrex: well, udev at least
16:49<quentusrex>I have an intel i210 that needs an updated igb driver, and the driver is loading properly, but I'm not seeing a mapping for the network device
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16:50<freech>sney: k, thx!
16:51<sney>quentusrex: it's supposed to populate automatically, but maybe if you added a rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
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16:58<ixi>is it possible to create an https debian mirror ?
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17:37<RageRiot|>I've got ssh only to my dedicated server, do I just need to install a VNC server? or will I need more packages such as X server etc ?
17:38<RageRiot|>I need some sort of remote desktop to get a paticular app working
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17:41<dualbus>RageRiot|: you can forward X11 apps with SSH
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17:46<RageRiot|>hmm. problem is, this app is a windoes .exe it's a windowless app. thats it's default behaviour at least. but I've come across a bug with an attached wine patch. unless I'm mistaken wont I need it the neccecary enviroment o run on the server
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17:48<oldlaptop>RageRiot|: To go the VNC route you will need a full X server
17:48<oldlaptop>if you can figure out X forwarding over SSH, that would be preferable (you won't need an X server for that, only wine + X client libraries)
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17:49<oldlaptop>how do you mean 'windowless app'?
17:49<oldlaptop>do you mean fullscreen?
17:50<RageRiot|>it's a windows service
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17:51<RageRiot|>it's a game server component. it communicate via the network to other game server components.
17:52<oldlaptop>that needs GUI?!
17:52<RageRiot|>well I wanted to avoid having to use a GUI all togeather
17:53<oldlaptop>I don't know what you're trying to do, and can't help you with that
17:53<oldlaptop>but if you do need a GUI you don't need an X server on the server
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17:53<oldlaptop>just on the client
17:53<oldlaptop>(yes that sounds stupid)
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17:53<RageRiot|>but from what I understand I'm going to have to compile wine with a patch to fix a bug
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17:54<oldlaptop>then you do that :)
17:54<oldlaptop>I don't see why you need GUI to rebuild wine
17:54<RageRiot|>ok so I should be able to do it without
17:54<oldlaptop>if whatever windows thing you're using doesn't need GUI at all
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17:57<RageRiot|>if it does it this the correft use for xvfb
17:57<RageRiot|>Xvfb :1 & DISPLAY=:1
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17:59<RageRiot|>sorry that came out a bit wrong, just woke :P
17:59<RageRiot|>I'll go look into this wine patch
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18:15<oldlaptop>RageRiot|: you should just need to login with ssh using the -X option
18:15<oldlaptop>ssh -X you@yourbox
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18:15<beowulf09us>Hi!, can someone tell me how I can mount an external usb disk, that let me run scripts from it.
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18:17<beowulf09us>in debian wheezy
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18:29<Sammy123>hey there
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18:31<Guest4119>hello!!
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18:32<Sammy123>what is the preferred way to request the backport of a certain package?
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18:34<joda17>hello
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18:53<infinity0>i am confused about pristine-tar
18:54<infinity0>how does it work out the name of the directory inside the source archive
18:54<infinity0>afaics the "pristine-tar" branch only has a delta and an id file pointing to the tree SHA-1
18:54<infinity0>where is the information that says "put this tree inside the $package-$version directory inside the tar file", where is this information stored?
18:54<infinity0>i can't find it anywhere yet pristine-tar reliably regenerates this every time
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19:06<infinity0>oh i see the delta file is a binary blob
19:06<infinity0>my viewer was treating it like an empty file
19:07<infinity0>ok everything makes sense no
19:07<infinity0>now*
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19:18<Sammy123>Where would I ask for a backport if it's not yet done?
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19:21<babilen>infinity0: fwiw, packaging related questions like that are probably more likely to be answered in #debian-moentors
19:22<infinity0>ah ok thanks
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19:23<babilen>infinity0: (but make the #debian-mentors)
19:24<infinity0>"make"?
19:24<infinity0>oh, typo i see
19:24<infinity0>yeah i'm already in there, i didn't realise it was for general packaging stuff, i thought it was just for newbies
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20:17<rostam>HI I am using wheeze, there is no /etc/apt/apt.conf, ??
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20:20<babilen>rostam: Feel free to create it (or a suitably named file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ - i.e. one that ends in .conf as explained in apt.conf(5))
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20:21<rostam>babilen, this was for using apt-cacher-ng but just now I was told it is buggy, and I should use: squid-deb-proxy..
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20:23<babilen>we've used approx years ago, but I haven't evaluated caching solutions in a while. squid based caching is certainly an option though
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21:19<wall0>Greetings. What would be the best way to host Xen/KVM instances on btrfs?
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21:30<musca>wall0: btrfs is still an experimental filesystem and has known gotchas
21:30<musca>!btrfs gotchas
21:30<dpkg>it has been said that btrfs gotchas is https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Gotchas
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21:34<wall0>musca: Thanks. I am actually using ZFSonLinux at the moment, but am thinking of jumping ship. The one thing I will miss from ZFS are zvols for VM's.
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21:35<wall0>musca: I know I can use flatfiles but the performance on those is poor (and is one of the BTRFS gotchas)
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23:10<digitsm>Hello
23:10<digitsm>I have a quesiton
23:10<digitsm>*question
23:10<digitsm>For connecting to a OpenVPN server in XFCE desktop using Network Manager applet, is it enough to only install 'network-manager-openvpn' or should I install 'network-manager-openvpn-gnome' too?
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23:18<galvao> Hi guys. I'm trying to play a DVD on Wheezy, but nothing happens when I insert the disc and VLC complains it can't open /dev/dvd. Already installed libdvdcss2 but no luck at all. DVD is also not mounted. What can I do to solve this?
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