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00:00<sney>xubuntu: este canal es de soporte para debian en ingles.
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00:03<Powermaniac>Can someone point me in the direction of a guide to setup a desktop with Windows forward all internet traffic through a laptop with Debian which then connects to the net via WiFi?
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00:44<petn-randall>Powermaniac: Sounds like a very specific setup. Do I understand it correctly? Internet <--(wifi)--> Debian laptop <--(cable)--> Windows Desktop
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00:51<Powermaniac>petnrandall: That looks correct to me.
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01:45<petn-randall>Powermaniac: And the wifi is provided by a router? Or is the internet connection started and stopped by the Debian machine?
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01:49<petn-randall>Powermaniac_: If this is the case, the easiest way would be a simple bridge, in which your wifi and ethernet device are in. This is probably the least work, and will transparently connect your windows machine to the wifi router.
01:51<Powermaniac_>petn-randall: A bridge? See what I'm trying to do is use the laptop as a firewall for the Windows 7 desktop. So I need to be able to filter the traffic through the laptop. I have everything setup on the windows 7 machine but can't seem to work out how to set it up on the Debian machine.
01:53<jm_>you need to enable forwarding and you can manage traffic via forwardig chain
01:53<Powermaniac_>petn-randall: So I have manually set the Windows 7 machines IPv4 address to be:, and the Netmask to, and the Gateway to which is the gateway to the wireless.
01:54<Powermaniac_>Oh and the DNS to
01:54<Powermaniac_>jm_: How do I do that on Debian LXDE as I'm finding LXDE is rather different to Debian Gnome at times.
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01:58<petn-randall>Powermaniac_: What do you wnato to firewall? Inbound connections to your Windows machine shouldn't work, anyway. Is your wheezy machine also on the subnet?
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02:01<Powermaniac_>petn-randall: Outbound connections, the Wheezy machine is connected to the net via a wifi adapter and is connected to, wait let me just check have to disconnect the wifi adapter and plug it into the laptop
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02:03<Powermaniac>Okay back, it is connected to inet addr:, Bcast: and Mask:
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02:05<Powermaniac>Oh also in /etc/sysctl.conf I set “net.ipv4.ip_forward=1″
02:05<Powermaniac>And I did this: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE
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02:08<petn-randall>Powermaniac_: That will only do part of the job. You'll have to set up your eth0 interface, too, and the subnet can't collide with the one on wlan0. That's why I recommend you use a bridge interface.
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02:08<Powermaniac>petn-randall: Oh okay
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02:10<petn-randall>Powermaniac: You could set up eth0 as, then put the Windows machine to, then it would work. But some things might break in a subtle manner because your current setup used double NAT.
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02:12<Powermaniac>petn-randall: Okay so I think this is what I need when it comes to a bridge:
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02:13<Powermaniac>petn-randall: Unless you would rather explain what exactly you meant by setup eth0 as as in what to edit?
02:14<Powermaniac>petn-randall: Oh and what you meant by uses a double NAT?
02:14<jm_>-j MASQUERADE is first one, and your router second one presumably
02:15<petn-randall>Powermaniac: is a subnet notation. It means, as IP address, and as subnet (notice that /24 means 'the first 24 bits', which is the same as, but just more readable).
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02:15<Powermaniac>jm_, petn-randall: Oh okay, thanks for the explanations
02:16<Powermaniac>So I assume the bridging option is still the best idea
02:16<petn-randall>Powermaniac: Yes, what jm_ said. You'll have NAT #1 on your wheezy machine, then the second one on your wifi router. If you for any reason want to forward ports to your windows machine, i.e. to host an online game, or to do p2p file sharing, you'll have to setup the port forwarding twice, and debugging this if it doesn't work will be unnecessarily hard.
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02:18<Powermaniac>petn-randall: Hmm.
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02:20<Powermaniac>Okay I shall go and setup the bridge, so I can still firewall the outbound traffic with a brdige right?
02:20<petn-randall>Powermaniac: The link to the wiki is good. Try to set it up by hand first, then when it works, knock the whole setup into your configuration.
02:21<petn-randall>Powermaniac: yes, you can. If you want to firewall more than a few simple ports, I recommend you dive into the shorewall documentation. It's a quite powerful firewall tool, but doesn't come with a GUI.
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02:22<Powermaniac>petn-randall: ISn't Shorewall a seperate OS though basically or can I install it on top of Debian?
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02:23<petn-randall>Powermaniac: No, it's not a separate OS ;). If it looks to complicated to you, something like ufw will also work for you. It has a graphical interface where you can select which ports to let through and which to block.
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02:24<Powermaniac>petn-randall: I don't mind if it is complicated as long as there is good documentation out there on how to get it working
02:24<Powermaniac>Okay well thanks petn-randall and jm_ for the help, I shall go try and setup the bridge
02:25<jm_>no worries
02:25<petn-randall>Powermaniac: The technical documentation is IMHO superb, though it expects you to know the basics of iptables and routing on Linux.
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02:25<Powermaniac>Alright bye!
02:25<petn-randall>Powermaniac: Good luck! If you get stuck, come back here.
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02:25<Powermaniac>Okay thank you
02:25<petn-randall>Powermaniac: You're welcome :)
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02:34<krabappel>How can I debug or get some useful info about the HyperV modules? When I boot the Xen-kernel with hv-modules loaded, it won't find the harddisks
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02:53<krabappel>How can I disable the hv modules in Debian7? Debian6 runs fine in my situation, because they are not present.
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02:56<jm_>tried blacklisting them?
02:57<krabappel>jm_: Would this work for all kernels booted then? I have issues with the modules in xen-kernel
02:57<jm_>krabappel: if you rebuild initramfs for them then I guess it would
02:57<krabappel>jm_: I am reading the wiki, I guess /etc/initramfs-tools/modules is the place to look?
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02:58<krabappel>jm_: OK, thank you, I'll try this.
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02:58<jm_>krabappel: that's for modules you want to include, blacklisting is modules-tools way of doing things
02:58<jm_>!tell krabappel -about blacklist
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03:00<krabappel>jm_: OK, thank you. :)
03:00<jm_>krabappel: no worries
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03:29<Powermaniac>Well I'm back. Tried following that wiki page but got stuck (this wiki page:
03:29<Powermaniac>So I did the first three steps on that page
03:30<Dovahkiin>whats your problem
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03:31<Powermaniac>Installed the software, manual bridge setup and then discovered I probabl want to be doing Bridging with a wireless NIC. As when I did: "# brctl addif br0 eth0 eth1" but as "# brctl addif br0 eth0 wlan0" it told me something along the lines of it can't bridge wlan0
03:32<Powermaniac>"can't add wlan0 to bridge br0: Operation not supported" was what it said
03:32<Dovahkiin>what are you trying to do?
03:33<Powermaniac>So I did Bridiging with a wireless NIC and well nothing happened.
03:33<Powermaniac>Oh I'm trying to connect a Windows 7 desktop to a Debian LXDE laptop and then have the laptop connect to the internet via wireless.
03:34<Dovahkiin>I will not be of any help
03:34<Powermaniac>And have the laptop as a firewall to the desktop, as the desktop is connecting to the internet through the laptop
03:34<Dovahkiin>I need help too but I thought I could help you
03:34<Powermaniac>Oh okay no problem.
03:34<Powermaniac>petn-randall: Are you still there?
03:34<Dovahkiin>maybe you could help me with my problem
03:35<Powermaniac>Maybe, doubt it though as I'm a newbie to linux in general.
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03:35<Dovahkiin>I just need to install a gpu driver into debian
03:35<Powermaniac>Oh okay
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03:35<Dovahkiin>and uh
03:35<Powermaniac>Which GPU do you have, and do you want the open source or closed source drivers?
03:35<Dovahkiin>it says I dont have the right tools installed
03:36<Dovahkiin>either one, I will be using it to mine dogecoins
03:36<Powermaniac>So what brand GP do you have Nvidia or AMD?
03:36<dpkg>fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD/ATI Radeon HD and FirePro graphic processing units. As of fglrx-driver 1:12-6~beta-1, R600 and R700 based GPUs (Radeon HD 2000/3000/4000 series) are no longer supported; ask me about <fglrx legacy> or use the <radeon> driver for device support. To install fglrx, see or ask me about <fglrx dkms>.
03:36<Dovahkiin>ok thank you
03:37<Dovahkiin>that was very helpful
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03:41<Dovahkiin>when i try to update a lot of packages are not found
03:41<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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03:42<Dovahkiin>lol, thanks. Sorry for being stereotypical
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03:50<petn-randall>Powermaniac: Yes, I'm still there. Can you paste the error message you get to
03:50<Powermaniac>petn-randall: Sure
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03:55<Powermaniac>petn-randall: So after I got that error I scrolled down and discovered the "Bridging with a wireless NIC" and decided to try that. I did all of it and got no errors but nothing changed.
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03:59<petn-randall>Powermaniac: Probably you have to take the wlan0 interface down before adding it to the bridge. Try doing 'ifconfig wlan0 down' before and 'ifconfig wlan0 up' after the brctl command.
03:59<Powermaniac>Oh okay
04:01<petn-randall>Dovahkiin: It's ok to ask a few questions, even if they may look 'newbish' from our perspective. As long as we can see that you reached your personal limits, we're more than happy to help.
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04:03<Dovahkiin>yea ive been trying to figure this out all day
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04:03<Dovahkiin>for about 15 hours now lol
04:04<Dovahkiin>ill go to sleep and come back tomorrow
04:04<Dovahkiin>not much else to do although with all the snow here, I live on the eastcoast and theres a huge snowstorm
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04:05<Powermaniac>petn-randall: Okay that took a while to go down, wasn't expecting it to do that. Still got the same error though
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04:10<spiekey>has anyone here got a running Debian 7 Xen with DRBD Live migration running in production with more than 10 DomU?
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04:33<petn-randall>spiekey: I don't, but it's best practice to just ask ahead so people can help tackling your problem.
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04:55<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to mount a FreeBSD image using libguestfs - but five partitions on it seem to be of unknown type...
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04:59<EmleyMoor>I'm told this is down to "Linux' handling of the BSD disklabel" - but no problem with, say, NetBSD images...
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05:58<Powermaniac>yay a new problem -___- worked out how to add wlan0 to br0 it all works no errors but now my wireless connection doesn't connect to my wireless connection and the Ethernet cable doesn't appear to connect either...
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06:00<Powermaniac>it is completely grayed out in network connections on Debian lxde
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06:09<Powermaniac>well I give up for tonight, come back to it tomorrow
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06:27<rostam>Hi I have created two partition on my disk, sda1 and sda2. I have installed debian on sda1 and I can boot from it. Is it possible to replicate sda1 to sda2 and be to boot from it? thx
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06:37<nocturnal>rostam: I would create a new fs on sda2 and rsync the entire system over while excluding sysfs, procfs and devfs. another method would be dd with input sda1 and output sda2 but I've never done this successfully and booted from it. then you'll have to change your grub config to boot from sda2 too. I think that's the gist of it.
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06:41<rostam>nocturnal, thanks for response. If I use dd method as you suggested, I also copy the sysfs, procfs and devfs. In the first method you wanted we avoid those directories? thx
06:42<jm_>you don't - those are not on disk
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06:42<jm_>but it might be faster using a tool like partimage/clonezilla which only copies used blocks
06:43<confusednvidia12>I updated to Jessie and installed nvidia drivers for 32 bit, but when I reboot I just get into this black screen with just my mouse visible. Everything else is gone. Need some help or advise!
06:43<jm_>confusednvidia12: for jessie try #debian-next
06:43<confusednvidia12>ok thanks!
06:44<jm_>but if I were you I would try with a simple wm or perhaps with x-terminal-emulator only
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06:45<rostam>jm_, thanks the partimage/clonezilla is part of which package or utility. This is a first time I have heard of it? thx
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06:46<jm_>rostam: apt-cache show partimage
06:46<jm_>clonezilla is
06:47<nocturnal>I've never heard of those either but I would definitely rather use a tool made for such operations than to do it myself with dd.
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06:48<rostam>jm_, nocturnal thank you so much, you saved me many hours.
06:48<jm_>no worries
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06:49<jm_>and for grub the old grub info pages had a section mentioning "robust" or somesuch
06:49<holo>Higuys, just two questions from a newb. Does Wheezy Gnome use pulseaudio by default &
06:49<holo>are there any backports for hardware during the release cicle of the stable branch?
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06:50<jm_>judd kernels
06:50<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-trunk-686-pae (3.13-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.8-1); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); wheezy-backports: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.12.6-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4)
06:51<jm_>holo: see above for backported kernels
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06:51<holo>oh jm_: thanks, i didn't know i can install a newer kernel via backports. nice!
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07:20<stormy98>hey, if i had 2 X 300gb drives in raid 1, should debian detect both drives or just the one?
07:21<jm_>depends on what kind of raid it is
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07:21<stormy98>as in soft or hard?
07:22<jm_>I meant more like proper/cheap
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07:25<stormy98>ah lol
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07:33<chealer>stormy98: soft / Fake/hard
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07:35<gm>hi everyone
07:35<gm>i am using AR5418 (wifi)
07:36<gm>it managed to connects...but then disconnects
07:36<gm>i am usinhg debian wheezy
07:36<stormy98>chealer: i'm not to sure to be honnest, it's a cheap ovh hsoted server so would have said soft
07:37<gm>03:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5418 Wireless Network Adapter [AR5008E 802.11(a)bgn] (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
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07:42<gm>i have another question. i downloaded some zip files. but my 'squeeze' can't open i.
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07:56<Radon_3>hi, what's the best way to check for updates?
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07:59<Maulkin>rostam: What version of Debian are you running?
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08:00<kardan1>does anybody know of unix ports for the samsung omnia?
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08:11<MMK>alguem me pode informar qual e o melhor cliente
08:11<MMK>de torrents
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08:12<Radon_3>is there someways to list all the available commands in the terminal?
08:12<nocturnal>press tab a few times ;)
08:12<Radon_3>I mean every single one of them?
08:13<nocturnal>oh I guess that doesn't work
08:13<Radon_3>how do you mean?
08:13<Radon_3>it is working
08:13<nocturnal>well I think before when I pressed tab a few times with no input it would ask me if I wanted to see everything the shell could auto-complete.
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08:14<Radon_3>that's exactly what I wanted
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08:14<kardan>Radon_3, ls /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin # and every other folder in $PATH
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08:16<Radon_3>how can I check that?
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08:17<nocturnal>ls $(tr ':' ' ' <<<"$PATH")
08:17<warhammer_>morning gentlemans
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08:17<me>gm: you need to make sure you have installed the 'zip' and 'unzip' packages
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08:18<stderr>Radon_3: Do you really need a list of ALL the commands? It's often much more useful to ask "what command would I use, if I wanted to ...?".
08:18<Radon_3>what does this command do "ls $(tr ':' ' ' <<<"$PATH")" ?
08:19<nocturnal>it lists all the commands in $PATH
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08:20<jm_>heh modern shells don't need $() for that
08:20<nocturnal>you can use parameter expansion too
08:21<nocturnal>to replace : with a space
08:21<Stummi>well, both is unsave
08:21<nocturnal>IFS=':' read?
08:21<Stummi>IFS=:; ls $PATH
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08:21<nocturnal>good one
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08:23<Radon_3>ok, I have been tryin to crack this issue since last night and still no good. my display settings in the system settings says that my output is on 1360x768, while my monitor's OSD says : Resolutions: 1280(H)X768(V)
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08:23<Radon_3>why is that?
08:24<Radon_3>what could cause this to happen?
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08:24<Stummi>which of one is correct?
08:24<Stummi>*of them
08:24<jm_>what does xdpyinfo show? or svidtune?
08:25<jm_>I'd trust what monitor says more
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08:28<Radon_3>xdpyinfo: gives me a very very long list
08:28<Radon_3>and xvidtune: which seems scary because of the warning, says:
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08:28<Radon_3>HDisplay: 1360 VDisplay:768
08:29<Radon_3>do you need more infor from xvidtune?
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08:30<jm_>xdpyinfo|grep dime
08:31<Radon_3>dimensions: 1360x768 pixels (460x260 millimeters)
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08:31<jm_>most puzzling, not sure what to think of this then
08:32<Radon_3>xvidtune's frequency reports are the same as what my monitor says, the only problem is resolution
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08:32<Radon_3>What my monitor says is not what xvidtune says
08:33<jm_>if frequencies match you could calculate which is correct
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08:40<Radon_3>jm_ you gone... ;(
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08:40<Radon_3>oh boy... that's mu luck there you folks....
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09:07<me>anyone have any ideas on this one? I am currently installing wheezy with a backported kernel 3.12 in a chroot. After, when I install Virtualbox 4.3.6 everything seems to go fine except that VirtualBox pulls in the kernel 3.9 as a dependency...
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09:07<me>now I have two kernels on the system...
09:08<me>I used the virtualbox repo to do the install...
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09:11<jordanm>me: the main repos have virtualbox, along with a -dkms package
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09:14<babilen>me: We really cannot do anything about third-party packages and their (broken?) dependencies. I'd recommend to vbox packages in Debian (or virt-manager/libvirt/virsh with kvm!) rather than the packages provided by upstream.
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09:15<babilen>dpkg: tell me about vbox
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09:32<darkskiez>has "route" changed behaviour ever with regards to sorting output by ip instead of netmask size?
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09:38<rasmer>anyone can help me? need some help.. how yo change the installation location of my libreoffice... because my the capacity of my root is very small help please
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09:42<viniz>hola amigos soy novato en linux y tengo un problema el ibus no me añadir metodo de entrada
09:42<viniz>quiero escribir en japones
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09:43<SynrG>rasmer: have you recently cleaned your cache?
09:43<SynrG>rasmer: apt-get clean
09:44<SynrG>rasmer: that might give you back enough space ... (depends on how your system is partitioned and where you're running out of space0
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09:44<SynrG>rasmer: if you've already tried that and it still doesn't work, let's see the output of 'df' and also the output of your failed install.
09:44<SynrG>rasmer: use
09:45<SynrG>!es viniz
09:45<dpkg>viniz: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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09:47<rasmer>SynrG: actually my partition on that root is very small that's why it is already full
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09:47<rasmer>SynrG: so i want to install my libreoffice to other location or path can you help me for that?
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09:48<SynrG>rasmer: not without the output i requested.
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09:51<SynrG>rasmer: my answer will be different depending on what i see. please execute the command 'df' and show the result at
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09:51<SynrG>there is no generalized way to say "install this package in a different location"
09:51<viniz>esque cuando quiero escribir japones me salen cuadraditos
09:51<SynrG>but there may be something we can do to alleviate the space problem.
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09:52<viniz>quien puede ayudarme
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09:53<SynrG>viniz: english only here, please. #debian-es for support in spanish. #debian-jp for support in japanese.
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09:55<me>are the repos for jessie the exact same as testing?
09:56<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <jessie>. See and ask me about <testing faq> <wheezy->jessie> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
09:56<Ganneff>so yes
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09:56<SynrG>me: the difference is what happens at release time.
09:57<SynrG>me: when a release is made and 'testing' changed to point at the new release, you may experience problems because the time right after a release is quite volatile
09:57<SynrG>therefore, we recommend you stick with codenames.
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09:58<SynrG>then you won't be unexpectedly bumped from current testing (jessie) to next testing (codename not yet announced) after the release.
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09:58<me>ok, thanks. I only asked because when I install from one of the supplied iso's on the debian website, all of the repos point to jessie.
09:58<SynrG>yes. that's fine, and preferred.
09:59<SynrG>also, see #debian-next for support
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09:59<SynrG>start with reading the faq in the channel topic
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10:01<vfaronov>hi all; I have a package that places files under /etc, is there a clean way (i.e. other than manually overwriting $tmp/DEBIAN/conffiles) to prevent them from being listed as conffiles?
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10:03<Radon_3>I have an idea for debian, that might seem new (I don't know if it exists or not), but I think if it is implemented in debian whole linux distros would follow, should I share it here?
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10:05<Radon_3>did I say something bad?
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10:05<devil_>dont ask to ask (or propose)
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10:06<Radon_3>so I should just propose then?
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10:06<devil_>just do it
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10:06<SynrG>Radon_3: you can mention it here, but we're front line support. you understand when you're proposing something here, a support person can try to help you make it work but does not necessarily wield the influence to make your idea a reality.
10:06<SynrG>however, we could sanity-check the idea and make recommendations :)
10:07<SynrG>i.e. we are not debian-project @
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10:09<Radon_3>what I mean is, if this is the right place for such activities or not, ok, whatever, I am just gonna shoot my idea... OK it is called offline updating for linux kernal and packages and stuff. It is basically for the people who don't have Internet connection, They stick a USB driver to their debian PC, run a piece of software on debian, it will writ
10:09<Radon_3>e a somewhat protected file on the flash drive containing all the installed packages and kernel files and stuff, then the user will take this flash drive to somewhere where he could have access to fast Internet, then in there he could check and download the necessary update files, return to debian, and update debian
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10:10<Radon_3>what do you think?
10:10<Deeps>you mean, apt-offline? :>
10:10<Radon_3>we have that????
10:10<bhuddah>could do that with iso images too.
10:10<Deeps>first hit on google for 'debian offline updates'
10:11<Radon_3>blushed like fuck I am people, blushed, and ashamed...
10:11<Deeps>no worries :>
10:11<SynrG>Radon_3: see, that's where running it by support people can help. :)
10:12<Deeps>only googled it cuz i thought it was genuinely such a good idea, that someone else must have thought of it already
10:12*SynrG nods
10:12<Deeps>and have a few instances where it would be useful for me too
10:12<Deeps>so thank you for the tip ;)
10:13<dpkg>i heard lmgtfy is a rude but oft-deserved slap in the face which simultaneously points one to the information they so easily could have found themselves by entering some simple search terms into google, especially when the answer is found in the very first result.
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10:14*Radon_3 sucks in debian and wants to cry, cause he proposes what was proposed a century ago....
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10:15<Radon_3>better than my shit, has a bug thingy too
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10:24<Radon_3>see you folks again. Maybe next time I have a better joke :)
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10:46<me>Does anyone know why there is only a kbuild3.12 in the wheezy-backports repo, why not kbuild3.9 ?
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10:47<weasel>because 3.9 was replaced by 3.12?
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10:48<me>when I install linux-headers from the backports repo, they want kbuild3.9 as a dependency... but it is not there.
10:48<me>i mean, when I install linux-headers-3.9
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10:49<weasel>why would you want 3.9 headers anyway, backports is at ... 3.11
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10:50<me>because of software that can't support the latest kernel
10:50<weasel>maybe you can find the 3.9 headers on snapshot
10:50<weasel>in an older backports tree.
10:50<weasel>(aha, and bp now has .12)
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10:50<babilen>me: Use the vbox packages provided by Debian!
10:51<me>babilen: oracle announced that these have security holes, and that everyone should upgrade to 4.3.6
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10:52<babilen>me: Do you have the CVE?
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11:00<SynrG>babilen: oracle clearly is advising people what to do with *their* packages. oracle doesn't dispense security advice for debian users.
11:01<SynrG>also, this discussion has become split between here and #debian-next :p
11:01<SynrG>so i'm repeating myself
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11:01<me>split how? I am trying to install a backported version of virtualbox on wheezy...
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11:02<me>isn't debian next for jessie?
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11:03<me>virtualbox has made the backported version of virtualbox 4.3.6 available through their repo...
11:04<me>it seems to prefer kernel 3.9 and headers... but I can't install those because there is no kbuild 3.9 in wheezy-backports
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11:05<SynrG>me: it is. but you mentioned virtualbox as a reason to use testing, which is where i picked up the thread.
11:05<SynrG>me: i mentioned there why that is *not* a reason to use testing.
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11:06<me>I am following your advice and sticking with wheezy... just trying to get the backports to work...
11:06<SynrG>me: re 3.9. that's due to an unversioned depends in backports (i.e. *breakage* of backports deps)
11:06<SynrG>you can satisfy it by installing a specific kernel version
11:06<SynrG>and specific headers version
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11:07<SynrG>once that dep is satisfied, installing virtualbox-4.3 from upstream should no longer break
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11:07<me>SynrG: I specifically chose the 3.9 kernel, and 3.9 kernel headers in backports, but they won't install because the headers are looking for kbuild3.9
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11:07<SynrG>why did you choose a 3.9 kernel, then?
11:08<me>because virtualbox breaks with the 3.12 kernel and headers
11:08<SynrG>you said "it seems to prefer kernel 3.9 and headers". now you're saying that is *your* choice ... which is a different matter.
11:08<me>yes, i am running amd64
11:08<SynrG>on sid, using virtualbox 4.3 upstream packages ...
11:08*SynrG shrugs
11:09<me>Synrg: so you have it working?
11:09<SynrG>you have choices here: you can use the wheezy-backports virtualbox packages (either 4.1 or 4.2; i don't know of security problems with those)
11:09<SynrG>or you can use upstream's packages and get support @ #vbox @ not here.
11:10<SynrG>if oracle says "use 4.3 because 4.2 and 4.1 have security bugs" i would like to know the specific CVEs that are unsolved in debian packages. as i said, there are none that i know of.
11:10<me>SynrG: so is the wheezy-backports 4.2 different than what comes from oracle. Are they more secure?
11:11<SynrG>i won't know until you furnish me with the alleged CVEs
11:11<SynrG>i can't give security advise based on such a lack of information :)
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11:15<me>SynrG: what do you make of this ?
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11:18<me>SynrG: this is the link to debian bugtracker with all of the listed bugs in wheezy's version :
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11:28<SynrG>me: then i guess you would need to make a judgement call. read every CVE and see if you can live with the vulnerability (i.e. you trust other security measures to ensure nobody is in a position to exploit it)
11:28<SynrG>or else use upstream's packages.
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11:29<Sebboh>Bug report: cd ~; mail -f mbox #results in zero-byte mbox file.
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11:30<Sebboh>A quick glance at the manual page for mail does not make it clear that I should not use -f in the way I did.
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11:31<me>SynrG : thanks for the help, I think I may have missed something in the install log that could lead to a fix...
11:31<Sebboh>Also, you owe me ~21k bytes of mail. :)
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12:10<jpbacilio>Hi, this is Jean Pierre Bacilio, first time using IRC Channels
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12:11<LeDufaKaDemY>hi, my lock screen is not working (i know i've tried to install xscreensaver ... but witout success) , i want to recover lock screen function ?
12:11<SynrG>jpbacilio: you have reached the debian support channel. do you have a debian support question? if so, just ask.
12:12<SynrG>LeDufaKaDemY: what changed? are you on debian wheezy?
12:12<SynrG>i mean, did you upgrade or something?
12:12<SynrG>when you said "recover", i assume you had this working before.
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12:14<jpbacilio>hey SynrG thanks for welcome! I'm just checking channels IRC. Currently I'm using Xubuntu. Maybe next time I'll install Debian 7.0 ;)
12:15<SynrG>!ubuntuirc jpbacilio
12:15<dpkg>jpbacilio: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
12:15<SynrG>also irc://
12:15<SynrG>jpbacilio: have fun :)
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12:17<LeDufaKaDemY>yep debian wheezy
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12:17<LeDufaKaDemY>this is my fault (i suppose)
12:18<LeDufaKaDemY>but i can't remember which file i touch or gnome option
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12:20<lana>Hola, alguien sabe cual es el nombre del comando de las teclas alt+tab
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12:22<LeDufaKaDemY>hola lana, pienso que hablando engmlish aqui !
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12:32<Radon_3>what are the possible damages that 'sensors-detect' could do to my hardware?
12:32<Radon_3>Could it hurt my hard disks?
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12:47<acald3ron>it,s there any way to donate to the debian proyect by paypal ?
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13:18<Jackpot>hi, does debian contain secure iptables rules when you install it for the first time, or it is not secure and you have to change iptables configurations to make it secure after installation?
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13:21<LeDufaKaDemY>for those who have problem with screen lock (after trying to install xscreensaver without success) : you must go to "gnome-sessions-properties"
13:22<LeDufaKaDemY>jackpot : u must add your own
13:23<Jackpot>LeDufaKaDemY: you mean default debian installation is not secure?
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13:23<LeDufaKaDemY>not secure ;-) , i do not say that.
13:24<LeDufaKaDemY>is your debian behind provider box or in front line ?
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13:24<SynrG>Jackpot: by default, debian is assumed to be behind a router. this is a typical deployment. systems that are on an internal LAN don't need iptables.
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13:24<Jackpot>I am using a bridged DSL connection using a DSL modem
13:24<SynrG>Jackpot: installations directly on the internet are rare.
13:25<SynrG>then you're one of the few who might benefit from iptables.
13:25<SynrG>it is not "insecure". it just has an open policy, which you need to be aware of and take action accordingly.
13:26<SynrG>if you meant to install a web server and make it accessible to the outside world, for example, there's no reason it should be blocked by default.
13:26<blast007>if you don't have network services listeing on the WAN interface, you don't necessarily need a firewall in place
13:26<SynrG>likewise an ssh server, etc.
13:27<Jackpot>SynrG: I am not running any kind of servers on my machine, I mean I only had printer server installed during installation just that
13:27<LeDufaKaDemY>agree with SynRG
13:28<SynrG>i think the cups default security policy is to *not* share the printers
13:28<LeDufaKaDemY>if u re dsl modem is acting as bridge : you need iptables with strong rules (inbound rules firstly)
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13:28<SynrG>so even if the port is reachable, there's no chance people are just going to start printing porn to your printer ...
13:28<Jackpot>Ok, how can i see the defined iptables rules on my machine?
13:29<SynrG>there aren't any. any iptables -L
13:29<LeDufaKaDemY>synrg : lol (printing porn ...pouahhh)
13:29<Jackpot>:D you guys are funny, though it would be a funny experience if people had my machine print porno automatically :)
13:29<Hicks>I'm using KERNEL=="sdb3",ENV{UDISKS_IGNORE}="1" to stop the encrypted root volume showing on the desktop/in thunar, I wanted to to use the UUID instead though with ENV{ID_FS_UUID}=="uuid of sdb3 shown by udiskctl dump"
13:29<Jackpot>you guys...
13:30<LeDufaKaDemY>so fwbuilder is your freinds if your newb with the different hooks of the netfiler stack
13:30<Hicks>but when I use the UUID line it doesn't ignore it, only the KERNEL/sdb3 line seems to work
13:30<Jackpot>ok, im gonna use it then...
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13:30<Hicks>have I done something wrong syntax wise?
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13:31<Jackpot>also, what is the worst case scenerio not using a firewall on my debian? what can people do?
13:31<Jackpot>if they had my IP?
13:31<LeDufaKaDemY>fwbuilder or perhaps someone can suggest your more friendly user gui for iptables
13:31<Hicks>depends what services you're running
13:31<Jackpot>how can i list the services?
13:32<SynrG>Hicks: yes? maybe? honestly, i don't know, and would only just check the doc myself :p
13:32<SynrG>but i'm sure you did that already ...
13:32<SynrG>failing that, read the source ...
13:33<Hicks>LeDufaKaDemY: Have you tried ufw? It's cmd line but for simple rules it gives a very easy way to enable/disable and add/block ports/services
13:34<Hicks> covers the usage.
13:35<ekiwok>Jackopt, how woud you like to not have firewall?
13:35<Hicks>sorry that was meant for Jackpot :)
13:35<LeDufaKaDemY>Hick: nope
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13:36<Jackpot>ekiwok: a classic case of thinking that debian is secure by default
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13:38<me>Jackpot: it's easy to add a few iptables rules ...
13:38<Jackpot>not for me it aint
13:38<ekiwok>Jackpot, How are stereotypes about "not having a firewall"? Firewall is firewall. Disabled it's still a firewall.
13:38<Hicks>Jackpot: check the link I posted, it doesn't get any easier for setting up a basic filewall than that imo. Although there's probably a gui that uses it too :)
13:39<Jackpot>ekiwok: no i meant that i am thinking that debian is secure by default not you man
13:40<me>all i have is a simple iptables.rules file with a few lines of code, then in the /etc/network/if-up.d/ directory add a file called iptables
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13:40<Jackpot>also what is the worst thing people could do to a clean installation of debian without iptables set or changed?
13:40<me>in the iptables file you add one line of code: iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.rules
13:40<me>that's it
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13:41<Hicks>Jackpot: you'd have to look at what services you installed, did you setup ssh, apache, anything else that listens on any port. If any of those were not intended to be accessed remotely and there's ever a security flaw found, then you've left a door open that didn't need to be.
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13:42<tal>Hi all! I got error while updating grub2, and I'm really scared to reboot my machine.
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13:42<Jackpot>ok, gotta goi didn't install apapache or ssh
13:42<tal>Here is the error:
13:42<sney>what error
13:42<tal>cat: /video.lst: No such file or directory
13:42<tal>/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of .
13:42<tal>/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for . Check your
13:42<ekiwok>Jackpot, they can abuse programs you'd rather dont let public access
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13:42<me>Jackpot: if you start with a clean copy of debian and go to Shields UP! at you can test your ports
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13:42<me>when i did that everything came back as "closed"
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13:43<Hicks>firewall is just an extra stage of protection in case yuo later install other programs that provide listen ports that you didn't realise they did
13:43<Hicks>lets you expose the absolute minimum services that you need to.
13:43<sney>tal: please don't paste multiple lines to the channel. have you changed anything related, like your fstab? also what debian version is this and what architecture? '
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13:43<me>after I added a simple iptables firewall, and tested again at all the ports came back as "stealth"
13:43<Jackpot>me: i get all ports blue or green only port 111 is open
13:44<Hicks>nmap will do similar if you have a 2nd machine to run it from too.
13:44<Jackpot>me: on grc
13:44<tal>sney: I use Debian jessie in amd64
13:44<Jackpot>me: is that good?
13:44<Hicks>do you need 111 open?
13:45<tal>sney: How can I check my fstab? Don't think it's related tough...
13:45<Jackpot>no, but i read on debian wiki that some programs need it, but I myself like it close
13:45<sney>tal: is /boot on a separate partition?
13:45<tal>sney: No
13:45<ekiwok>Jackpot, it depends what are you running. Is your debian machine connected to internet directly?
13:45<Hicks>local programs though? unless you need access remote via it, then a firewall would keep it shut
13:45<sney>tal: ok, try 'update-grub' again
13:46<Jackpot>ekiwok: yeapperoni
13:46<me>Jackpot: good is a relative term. Depends on if you want to run a server or if you are just on a desktop and want to keep it secure from outside intervention...
13:46<tal>sney: Already tryed million times, and this time same error...
13:47<Jackpot>me: i am on a desktop.
13:47<tal>sney: I found a related errors in google, but thisstrangefile is in /boot/grub/
13:48<tal>sney: I mean video.lst file which grub thinks it's on /
13:48<Hicks>if your lan is trusted and you're behind a nat'd router then a firewall on a desktop isn't critical, but then it doesn't harm either
13:49<sney>tal: that's correct, all of grub's files should be in /boot/grub. I don't know why it's looking anywhere else
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13:49<LeDufaKaDemY>Hicks : he said behind dsl modem bridge ... i have heard "bridge" .... ouch !!
13:49<LeDufaKaDemY>so ....
13:49<Hicks>yeah, depending on setup it could be more or less important
13:49<tal>sney: Any way I can point path to different location?
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13:50<tal>sney: Should I try symlink it?
13:50<sney>that might work. this seems like a bug though
13:51<tal>sney: OK I will do this, but how can I generate it?
13:51<tal>sney: But it doesn't generate the file...
13:52<sney>oh you mean make the symlink? ln -s file link
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13:53<tal>sney: I mean I want to generate a "clean" video.lst file, and then symlink it. I don't know how to do the former....
13:54<sney>I have no idea what you're doing, sorry.
13:55<tal>sney: How does a "normal" user generate video.lst file?
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13:56<sney>in all my years using grub and troubleshooting debian I've never even noticed video.lst. if it's not generated by update-grub then maybe it's from a package, or some statement in /etc/grub.d decides whether to update it or not. I don't know.
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14:01<h2>can anyone point me to a list of the i386 packages that the ia32-libs metapackage installed? All debian documentation I have found, all wikis, fail to provide this crucial information, leaving all ia32-libs users without any information
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14:03<LeDufaKaDemY>gnome : hard way under debian ;-), how to create a launcher for Minecraft ?
14:03<LeDufaKaDemY>(gnome desktop)
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14:05<trico>h2: check this log for that package, then look at around the same time for other stuff it might have installed less /var/log/apt/history.log
14:05<h2>it's not on my system
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14:06<h2>this is an extremely undebian-like failure/oversight in my opinion
14:06<h2>I'll check with users and see if anyone has it, but that's hardly an actual documented solution
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14:19<Netsotov>how much minimal psychical memory should i aquire to run personal lt2p vpn on debian 764bit
14:19<Netsotov>7 64bit
14:20<trico>not sure, but i think a cpu that can handle the crypto is more important
14:21<Netsotov>its run on a kvm with 8cores one dedicated i thought
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14:21<Netsotov>maybe should ask to the provider?
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14:23<Netsotov>ill try first thanks in advance
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14:26<kminor>hey guys, I installed a -bigmem kernel & new nvidia drivers on a 32-bit server & can't figure out why "bootsplash" doesn't work. Sorry for the dumb question
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14:28<kminor>anyone alive?
14:28<kminor>_spOOn_: sup man :)
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14:30<me>my bootsplash never worked
14:30<me>on wheezy with nouveau
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14:31<me>maybe you want to try "splash" instead
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14:32<dpkg>guest179: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi per saperne di più.
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14:47<me>Do any of you have wheezy running on new hardware, such as a new (2013-2014) laptop or desktop?
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14:48<me>It works great on my computer, but the laptop is 4 years old...
14:48<kminor>Whoa man...stuff I said like 2 months ago just showed up.....
14:49<me>great minds think alike?
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14:54<musca>me: there are newer kernels made available in wheezy-backports
14:54<musca>!bdo kernel
14:54<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
14:55<DNS>!bdo wheezy-backports kernel
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14:56<musca>me: it's a little more work to get updated free graphics drivers as they most likely depend on newer xserver-xorg
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15:00<musca>DNS: you can query the judd bot: /msg judd kernels
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15:03<tanja>Hallo Fremdos, brauche hilfe beim automount mit debian und xfce
15:03<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
15:03<sney>(or english here)
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15:04<tanja>Hello Fremdos (again) I need help to setup automount with debian and XFCE, can anyone help me?
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15:05<me>musca: so if i were to buy a new computer, I would probably need to run testing or unstable until jessie was released?
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15:08<musca>me: it depends ... even if your system might have problems with kernel from wheezy, it might be possible to install the newer kernel 3.12 from backports.
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15:08<LeDufaKaDemY>here xeon 1230 v2 and gigabyte h77-ds3h with 16go and ati 5770 + ssd samsung 250go
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15:08<LeDufaKaDemY>one word : perfect
15:09<LeDufaKaDemY>for (nic : me)
15:09<trico>that is a nice system
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15:10<kminor>hehe yeah they do
15:10<musca>me: the newer kernel has updated modules ("drivers") and can be sufficient for smaller issues. It's a way to use debian stable on newer hardware.
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15:12<warhammer_>I had a quick question, could someone steer me in the right driection to get a msi z87 gaming mobo to pick up eth0? have scoured the interz and no luck
15:14<trico>do you know what type of nic that has?
15:14<sney>probably forcedeth or something broadcom
15:14<trico>also, do you know the full model number?
15:14<warhammer_>im more virtual server guy so apologies on the lack of hardware knowledges do you know what I should be grepping for in lspci?
15:15<warhammer_>full model be z87gd65
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15:15<sney>warhammer_: just pastebin 'lspci -nn' and we'll have a look
15:16<warhammer_>ty ty
15:16<sney>if it's truly not there, then it's disabled in the bios/efi
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15:17<trico>killer network driver is actually its name...
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15:17<warhammer_>I don't think it's disbaled in bios since I have a windows disk I boot off of to do steam stuff
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15:18<warhammer_>but work is on linux so been operating off wireless (worst linux admin evvar)
15:18<sney>,pciid 1969:e091
15:18<judd>[1969:e091] is 'Killer E2200 Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with no known kernel module in wheezy but has kernel module 'alx' in sid. See also
15:18<sney>ah, an alx. you need a newer kernel than is available in stable.
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15:18<sney>3.12 from wheezy-backports shoudl be fine.
15:18<sney>!tell warhammer_ about bdo kernel
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15:19<trico>looks like you need a relatively new kernel to support it. its a qualcomm atheros device
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15:19<sney>trico: watch the channel lest ye jinx yourself
15:19<warhammer_>that shouldn't be an issue and would explain why it has been poop when I grab the alx driver and it doesn't work if it is kernel related
15:20<sney>don't "grab the driver" - this isn't windows. install the newer kernel from wheezy-backports. if it still doesn't work after fixing it properly let us know.
15:21<warhammer_>you guys are the best
15:21<warhammer_>I was thinking that it would have been compatible with the current driver
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15:21<warhammer_>again thanks again for all of the help!
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15:23<sney>just remember, linux drivers are kernel modules. if you need a "newer driver" 9 times out of 10 that means a newer kernel.
15:23<dpkg>Test failed.
15:24<LeDufaKaDemY>oups ... trying multiple channel ...with weechat (sorry)
15:24<LeDufaKaDemY>buffer , windows etc ... no very clear for me at alll :-)
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15:37<LeDufaKaDemY>do you know how to have two windows with weechat (with different irc servero rchannel)
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15:37<sney>that's not a debian question. ask the manual
15:38<sney>or ask #weechat on freenode
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15:45<Sylvester23>Hi! Channel is dead?
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15:45<sney>Sylvester23: no, it's a support channel, I guess nobody needs help right now
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15:47<Sylvester23>sney: hmm... I don' want support... Look at
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15:47<Sylvester23>Report bug?
15:48<sney>what about it?
15:48<Noctek>Is there a server for Raspbian?
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15:48<sney>Noctek: #raspbian
15:49<Noctek>sney: Thank you :)
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15:50<Sylvester23>sney: linux-kbuild-3.11 is not available in repository...
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15:51<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-trunk-686-pae (3.13-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.8-1); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); wheezy-backports: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.12.6-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4)
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15:51<Sylvester23>sney: HEADERS!
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15:53<Sylvester23>All linux-headers hasn't got linux-kbuild (packages from stable-backports)
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15:54<Sylvester23>I can't manual compile kernel form source (very, very low machine)...
15:55<kminor>sney: sup pimp!
15:56<ompaul>Sylvester23: what is wrong with 3.12?
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15:56<kminor>"Hey Hey, I ran into Sney, doin' the pimp thang like everyday!"
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15:57<Sylvester23>ompaul: No support my specific hardware...
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15:57<kminor>Sylvester23: why can't u compile it from source? it'll just take longer
15:57<ompaul>Sylvester23: what is this specific hardware?
15:58<kminor>I gotta work on old systems all day man....
15:58<sney>something supported exclusively by 3.11 but not 3.12 would probably not be "old"
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15:59<Sylvester23>ompaul: My wifi chipset (rtl8723be) is only works at 3.11, 3.12 no support this chipset...
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15:59<sney>Sylvester23: I was pointing out with judd that 3.11 isn't listed anymore, it's probably just being gradually cleaned out of the archive... you may be able to find kbuild for 3.11 on snapshot
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15:59<kminor>oh a wifi driver cool....
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16:00<kminor>Realtek right
16:00<kminor>so u can't do the rtl819x thang?
16:01<Sylvester23>kminor: I have got this driver ;)
16:01<kminor>temporary code until added to kernel, go GIT it
16:01<kminor>oh sorry man...been afk...guess im late on this convo
16:03<ompaul>Sylvester23: have you restarted since installing it?
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16:04<Sylvester23>Hmm, this is official snapshot?
16:04<Sylvester23>ompaul: ya, ya ;) I'm not newbie ;)
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16:05<ompaul>Sylvester23: we all forget some day (old age ;-))
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16:06<ompaul>Sylvester23: so far all I've found it compile it yourself from github (not an answer I like)
16:06<ompaul>Sylvester23: have you tried .13?
16:06<Sylvester23>ompaul: ya
16:06<kminor>Yeah man.... yew can d0 it
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16:08<me>FYI - when i install the 3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64 from wheezy backports in a chroot using apt-get, it also installs the 3.9-0.bpo.1-amd64 kernel on it's own. Has anyone else experienced this?
16:08<me>I end up with two kernels
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16:12<ivanoov>hi :)
16:12<ompaul>me: what is the uname -a on the host
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16:14<me>linux debian 3.12-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.12.6-2 (2013-12-29 x86_64
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16:16<ompaul>me: ok, that's strange, never had anything like that happen ever
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16:17<me>ompaul: one other thing, this might be the problem, the host is a VM
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16:17<amed_>hello, i just need debian-7.3.0-i386-CD-1.iso for a debian installing ?
16:18<ompaul>me: in an ISP
16:18<sney>being a VM isn't usually a problem itself, but crazy vps customization can be a big problem
16:18<sney>amed_: yes for 32-bit x86
16:18<ompaul>me: vps?
16:18<amed_>sney, thanks
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16:19<me>ompaul: I don't know the acronyms... the chroot's host is a virtualbox VM.
16:19<kminor>me: yes i have, but not on this particular kernal u mention.
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16:20<ompaul>me: so back to no clue
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16:20<me>kminor, how far back?
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16:21<kminor>who care's if two kernels are installed, just boot to the one you want, unless space is an issue
16:22<kminor>me: I think it was lenny
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16:23<kminor>no wait, it was backported to etch....was etch before lenny? i forget
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16:24<me>having two kernels seems to screw up the backported Virtualbox installation... that and the 4.3.6 Vbox from upstream doesn't seem to recognize the KERN_DIR variable, it demands the kernel to be in /lib/modules/3.12-1-amd64
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16:24<me>anyhow, I give up... just wanted to pass the info along
16:24<ompaul>me: it seems you have a very convoluted setup
16:24<me>i'm installing jessie now... doesn't seem to have the problem
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16:24<me>it is somewhat convoluted...
16:24<ompaul>what is the practical reason for a chroot in a vm
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16:25<me>to easily deboostrap a bunch of different debian remasters that have different packages and options...
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16:25<me>it's worked well so far... that is until the 3.12 kernal on amd64
16:26<me>I did it for i386 and didn't notice a problem... trying to install the latest virtualbox brought it to my attention...
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16:27<kminor>me: I feel stupid saying this...but can you symlink it prior to install?
16:27<me>i was thinking about doing just that...
16:27<me>but am too tired with messing with it now...
16:27<me>jessie seems to be easy...
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16:28<me>i might just give up on wheezy
16:28<oo> /afk
16:28<kminor>awwe man...ur gonna make me wanna install virtual box.. too bad most my debian machines are 32-bit weeny machines
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16:28<me>i won't know for sure until the current jessie install completes
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16:28<kminor>can u run virtualbox fine with 6-8gb of RAM?
16:29<me>kminor: you bet
16:29<me>I'm running on a corei7 720qm laptop with 8gb ram
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16:29<me>it's about 4years old
16:30<kminor>Yeah I run testing or sid on all my laptops....but always stable on company machines
16:31<kminor>Yeah...I learned to stick with Debian Sid instead of off-branches...I tried Sidux one time... I had a Sony Vaio at the time & they put some crap in the repo that destroyed my Vaio....I had heard of that before...but it really was one of those "omg, it happened to me" type moments.... stick to straight up debian :)
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16:32<kminor>I don't mind stuff breaking....but stuff that fries your hardware just pisses you off
16:32<me>kminor: i am on a vaio :)
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16:33<kminor>Sweet man...yeah man I'm on a custom built HP EnvyT ...friggin love the thing, & all laptops that come with 2 HD slots. It's not much for looks, but can't wait to put linux on my 2nd hard-drive.
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16:34<me>kminor: i'll tell you what, I've started running everything based off of the live-systems branch and it is awesome.
16:34<kminor>Yeah dude....that VAIO was was new at the it's old....but i never did sell's still sitting in the corner as a reminder hehe...good machines tho
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16:35<me>no need to ever install an os to HDD
16:35<me>everything runs in ram
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16:35<me>the only issue is that upgrades are challenging because the OS gets baked into the usb stick as read only
16:36<me>so when you want to upgrade things, you need to bake a new flash drive
16:36<me>anyhow I love it.
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16:37<Bliepo>Hey everyone, I am trying to compile bcache-tools (since it isn't included in the respositories), but it gives multiple errors about pkg-config. Now I install pkg-config, but it still cannot find the packages uuid and blkid. How do I fix this?
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16:38<kminor>me: well kind of a good idea actually
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16:38<me>this method allowed me to finally toss windows 7 in the garbage
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16:38<me>figuratively speaking...
16:38<kminor>me: oh try Windows 8.1 is complete crap
16:39<kminor>Bliepo: What's your /etc/fstab say?
16:39<me>anyhow with this method, virtual machines come in real handy
16:39<kminor>wait packages...?
16:40<Bliepo>kminor, that's what is says
16:40<kminor>me: huh, yeah man I've never thought about going about it that way....might be off to buy me some sticks tomorrow
16:41<kminor>Usually unless I had 16g or more RAM to play with my virtual machines didn't work so fast... I wasn't using virtualbox though
16:42<me>if you can do it... go with usb3.0
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16:42<me>usb2.0 is the only thing slowing down the bootup speed
16:42<Bliepo>kminor, the full error message is like this: Package uuid was not found in the pkg-config search path.\n Perhaps you should add the directory containing 'uuid.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH enivornment variable
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16:43<me>kminor: I don't run many VM's at the same time, at most 3.
16:43<kminor>Bliepo: oh okay, are you on squeeze/wheezy/jessie etc.?
16:44<Bliepo>kminor, wheezy
16:44<me>i'm installing kvm with virt-manager now... we'll see how it goes...
16:44<kminor>me: cool :)
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16:45<me>my only experience is with vbox
16:45<kminor>Bliepo: I'm no expert, these other guys are...but let me see what I can find out man
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16:45<Bliepo>kminor, thanks, I appreciate the help
16:45<kminor>Bliepo: do you have just regular debian repo's or do u have 3rd party repo's in sources.list.d?
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16:46<Bliepo>kminor, other than wheezy-backports (which is not really a regular repo), no
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16:47<me>Bliepo, is this on a new installation?
16:47<kminor>Bliepo: man I'd check into dependency conflicts first man. I never use backport stuff on my production systems anymore because of weird stuff like that
16:48<me>i've had bad luck with amd64 backports today
16:48<Bliepo>me: yes, it is
16:48<Bliepo>kminor: I only used it to install kernel 3.12
16:48<oldlaptop>Bliepo: 99% of the time, if a package you're building from source can't find some library, it's because it's not installed :P
16:48<oldlaptop>or rather because the *headers* aren't installed
16:49<Bliepo>oldlaptop: I'll look into that, thanks!
16:49<kminor>hah, well there you go
16:49<kminor>oldlaptop... the wisdom of the ancients
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16:49<oldlaptop>Debian (and several other popular linuxes) separate the actual libraries (the compiled .so files that actually contain code) and header files (which tell compilers how to compile programs using the library)
16:49<oldlaptop>the convention on Debian is <libname>-dev for headers
16:50<kminor>yep yep yep....d0h...i shoulda got that one
16:50<SynrG>me: if the 3.9 kernel thing is what i think it was, your install depended on a virtual package, the first of which was satisfied by 3.9. the solution is to change the order in which things are installed so the dependency is already satisfied by some other package.
16:50<oldlaptop>so you probably have 'libblkid1' installed, but the compiler (the preprocessor to be precise) will need 'libblkid-dev'
16:51<SynrG>me: but i would have to see the exact command you executed that caused the 3.9 kernel to be dragged in and its output, and apt-cache policy output for things involved in the install to know for certain.
16:51<Bliepo>oldlaptop: I'll try installing it and see what happens, I'll stay here and let you know if I run into trouble
16:52<oldlaptop>generally there will be a README or INSTALL file (probably both!) in the source tarball, one of which will have a list of libraries you need to install to build the package
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16:53<Bliepo>oldlaptop, there is a README file, but it doesn't tell me much. No list of libraries
16:54<Bliepo>oldlaptop, I tried installing libblkid-dev and that fixed it, thanks a bunch!
16:54<oldlaptop>so unfortunately you'll need the 'keep running configure until it works' method :/
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16:59<agentbob>has anyone here ever run into an issue that.. after updating a server from debian6 -> 7, load jumps up by 40x even when cpu idle, iterrupts, iowait/etc stay the same?
16:59<kminor>libblkid-dev... that's the first thing he said.... OldLappy is a Steely eye'd missle man
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17:10<kardan>lately while compiling multisync I found my load jumped up to 2000 with hundreds of zombies. It took minutes to kill make .. could not find out what was wrong with the code.
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17:11<oldlaptop>which processes were going zombie?
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17:13<kardan>Obviously make spawned millions of zombying bash processes. I still feel the shock in my fingers.
17:13*SamB hopes kardan wasn't infected
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17:14<kardan>I am too frightened to try it again.
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17:33<agentbob>have you been recently getting the sudden urge to eat brains...?
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17:38<sney>thankfully no
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18:10<firechariot>hello, what can someone tell me about ELF? It appears a little unsafe at first glance
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18:15<kardan>load average: 266.99, 3670.18, 4197.86 - what a waste of computer power. I don't know why I did it again or what's wrong with the code, maybe someone else wants to check it out:
18:16<devil_>firechariot: can you be more precise?
18:16<abrotman>how is the load average related to a project?
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18:17<kardan>I tried to compile it and it spawned 10.000 bash processes.
18:17<firechariot>devil_, it appears using executables is actually less safe, especially in the context of Gnome-Open
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18:17<firechariot>I really would like to remove Gnome-Open, though this is a fresh install
18:17<SamB>firechariot: you know a safer executable format than ELF?
18:17<oldlaptop>how can you get by without executables?!
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18:18<firechariot>SamB, I didn't actually consider shell to be an executable really
18:18<SamB>the shell is another ELF executable, you know that right?
18:18<oldlaptop>$ file /bin/bash
18:18<oldlaptop>/bin/bash: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.26, BuildID[sha1]=bc23cc26ae4d13cfd449ffb7c54224436976ca67, stripped
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18:21<firechariot>I was born not actually comprehending all things ^.^
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18:23<kardan>firechariot, every program you run is an executable. even a script you compile internally is made executable. ELF is the standard for unix systems:
18:23<oldlaptop>what do you think is unsafe about ELF?
18:23<firechariot>kardan, I was to the impression that ELF was new
18:24<oldlaptop>the last OSS unixes transitioned to ELF about a decade ago
18:24<kardan>new for you or for debian? ,)
18:24<firechariot>oldlaptop, I was reading a book about ELF & got concerned
18:24<firechariot>I'm new to Debian actually
18:25<firechariot>I didn't learn as much in Ubuntu
18:25<abrotman>oh .. duh ..
18:26<firechariot>gracias for the info :)
18:26<oldlaptop>firechariot: What had you concerned
18:27<oldlaptop>you have me curious now :)
18:27<kardan>this is what many DE are good at: make that the user does not care about the stuff beneath the surface.
18:27<firechariot>oldlaptop, I was reading a book about viruses. I recently had troubles with Ubuntu & so I'm working alot to secure this system
18:28<oldlaptop>naturally you shouldn't go around running untrusted executables as root
18:28<oldlaptop>but that goes for shellscripts and the like too
18:28<firechariot>yeah, that's part of the reason Gnome-Open really troubles me
18:28<oldlaptop>and for that matter copy/pasting commands from online HOWTOs/tutorials
18:29<oldlaptop>(someone could troll you for instance - 'rm -rf /' being a classic example)
18:29<oldlaptop>(DO NOT DO THAT!)
18:30<kardan>+ commands you see are not always commands that are copied to the terminal.
18:30<daemonkeeper>Doesn't work anyway.
18:30<oldlaptop>oh really?
18:30<firechariot>you're suggesting do not use rm -rf?
18:31<oldlaptop>'rm -rf' is fine - very dangerous, think before you type
18:31<kardan>only after 'cd /'
18:31<oldlaptop>'rm -rf /' means "delete ALL FILES on the system, including ALL FILES on any mounted device"
18:31<firechariot>well, I'm going to relax for a while. I appreciate the info. Later :)
18:32<firechariot>again, gracias
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18:32<kardan>having a fresh start is sometimes a good option.
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18:33<oldlaptop>safer to do that from the installer
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18:33<abrotman>kardan: not true
18:33<abrotman>and please stop discussing this
18:34<daemonkeeper>oldlaptop: man rm. --preserve-root.
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18:45<bwright>What is the gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi called in wheezy?
18:45<sney>it's not in
18:46<sney>you can build it with crosstool-ng, there's a howto on
18:46<bwright>Why isn't it in standard, it is a critical tool?
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18:47<sney>no? I mean, there's gcc for every debian platform. but the tool you just mentioned is typically used for cross-compiling, if I'm not mistaken. I used something with that name to build binaries for a raspberry pi from my x86 server
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18:47<sney>and that was useful, but certainly not critical
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18:49<bwright>I use a cross compiler every day, I was just suprised not to see it available by default.
18:49<bwright>But all good, will just compile my own if that is the case.
18:50<bwright>(Yes I am cross compiling for the sabre lite imx6 with a custom kernel image)
18:50<oldlaptop>there are rumblings about using multiarch for cross compilers
18:50<sney>that'd be neat. there's not much documentation on it
18:51<oldlaptop>if that ever happens sunshine and rainbows would fill the world
18:51<abrotman>They already do?
18:52<sney>well, see comment about documentation
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18:53<sney>I'd love it if somewhere, debian had clear manuals for cross-compiling debian packages, for instance. but this does not exist. I checked.
18:53<bwright>It used to be called arm-linux-gnueabi-* which provided addr2line, objdump, readelf, gprof, c, as, ar.
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18:53<Ma_Jie>Hi all. I'm new to Debian - recently installed Debian 6 on an old iMac - and I have a question.
18:53<sney>even -mentors was like "*shrug*" just compile it natively
18:53<bwright>It isn't just the compiler you want the point is it is a toolchain.
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18:53<sney>bwright: indeed. crosstool-ng will build it for you. it's a pretty neat tool.
18:54<sney>Ma_Jie: debian 6 is almost EOL, so we generally recommend that you use 7, but what's the question?
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18:54<bwright>sney: alright going to try it out.
18:55<Ma_Jie>The question is how do I see the Debian comp from my other computers. Like, I have a Fedora box, an unRaid, Windows laptop, etc. on the network. How can I see them in Debian 6 and vice versa?
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18:56<Ma_Jie>I tried to install Wheezy on this old iMac, but I got a white screen.
18:56<sney>when you say see them on the network - are you referring to file and print sharing, like windows does? samba is what you would want in that case
18:57<sney>you may be able to upgrade to wheezy now that squeeze is installed. check the release notes for arch-specific notes though
18:57<Ma_Jie>Well, for example, from Nautilus on my Fedora box, I can see the unRaid, Win laptop, and the other devices on my network. But I can't see the debian one.
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18:58<sney>yeah, that's probably samba
18:58<Ma_Jie>I installed samba during the install process.
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19:00<Ma_Jie>So I'd need to edit smb.conf?
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19:03<bwright>sney: All good just rebuilt gcc for 4.8.1 with the arm toolchain.
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19:09<Ma_Jie>I tried to install NFS on DEbian 6, but it says no packages found for nfs-utils nfs-utils-lib
19:12<jordanm>Ma_Jie: you want nfs-kernel-server if you are setting up an NFS server. If you just need to be a client, nothing is needed
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19:13<abrotman>still shuld be using wheezy
19:13<Ma_Jie>I see. Essentially, as I noted above, I wanted my Debian box to be seen by my other devices, and I want those devices to be accessible via the Debian box.
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19:14<Ma_Jie>I'll try a Wheezy upgrade; hopefully, it won't lead to another white screen issue.
19:14<jordanm>"accessible" is vague
19:14<jordanm>use ssh/scp/sftp
19:15<Ma_Jie>sftp worked! :)
19:16<Ma_Jie>But by accessible, I mean I can click on it via, say, Nautilus.
19:16<jordanm>you can mount sftp folders in nautilus
19:16<jordanm>atleast you used to be able to via places -> connect to server or something like that
19:17<jordanm>I still haven't used modern gnome
19:17<Ma_Jie>Yes, Connect to Server.
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19:18<Ma_Jie>That's part of my question solved. Thank you Jordan :)
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19:25<costello>I have a really, silly question that I can't find an answer for online. I've seen other people restart their computer and have their linux box open and remember window positions (every restart). How would they have been doing this?
19:27<stderr_dk>costello: By using a session-manager and asking it to remember which windows are open and where.
19:27<Ma_Jie>You can do that in the XFCE4 session manger easily
19:27<Ma_Jie>Which DE, costello?
19:28<costello>This was a long time ago
19:28<costello>Debian/Enlightenment I believe
19:28<Ma_Jie>Oh, Enlightenment. I've never used that before.
19:28<Ma_Jie>But I hear that it's good.
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19:28<costello>Yeah, my buddies used to use it along time ago.
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19:29<costello>I assume its just a feature of enlightenment
19:30<stderr_dk>costello: As Ma_Jie said, xfce4 can do it too. So can gnome
19:31<costello>Well I'm using gnome at the moment.
19:31<costello>How do I do it in gnome?
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19:32<costello>If you can just point me in the general direction I can figure it out
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19:33<stderr_dk>man gnome-session
19:33<costello>:) Thanks
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19:33<stderr_dk>I'm not using gnome, but I would expect that manpage to have some info about it.
19:34<costello>It does. Appreciated!
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19:34<stderr_dk>No problem.
19:34<ectospasm>I wonder, does xfce4 save the window positions if you're using a different window manager?
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19:38<stderr_dk>ectospasm: I would expect it to save the window positions... If that other window manager uses the information when it's time to restore the windows is a completely different question.
19:38<costello>So, what must havenew linux install apps should I install on my
19:39<costello>Its been a while
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19:39<stderr_dk>costello: Depends on what you want to do, doesn't it?
19:40<Ma_Jie>Exactly stderr_dk
19:40<Ma_Jie>Also: if you know CLI, that's a factor, too.
19:40<Ma_Jie>Like you can use plowshare instead of a GUI DL manager.
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19:42<stderr_dk>The download manager I use is called "wget doesn't start download number 2 until download number 1 is done".
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19:43<Ma_Jie>I think plowshare utilises wget, but I don't like wget can handle file sharing links by itself
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19:43<stderr_dk>You mean like bittorrent or what?
19:44<Ma_Jie>I mean links like for Putlocker, 180Upload and such
19:46<Ma_Jie>I was correct: wget won't handle Putlocker links.
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19:46<stderr_dk>I wouldn't know. Never used those.
19:46<Ma_Jie>apt-get install plowshare will + you you can create a text file to queue up links.
19:46<Ma_Jie>Oh, do you only use torrents?
19:47<stderr_dk>Not "only"...
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19:49<stderr_dk>Ma_Jie: wget, rsync, bittorrent, jigdo... Depends on what it is I'm downloading and from where.
19:50<Ma_Jie>Ah, I see. I've never used jigdo before.
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19:51<stderr_dk>It can be very useful when you have your own local debian mirror and want to get the latest isos.
19:57<Ma_Jie>I'll have to check it out!
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19:58<costello>Is there any alternative to torrenting?
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19:58<costello>Im looking at Plowshare
19:58<costello>Is this just another client for downloading torrents?
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20:16<Ma_Jie>costello; plowshare is for links like Putlocker
20:17<Ma_Jie>Yes, there is an alternative
20:17<Ma_Jie>DDL web sites.
20:17<Ma_Jie>and Usenet
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20:19<bwright>They really should have put the cross compiler support in like emdebian.
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20:43<VIT-14>I hve a problem I need to install a program but i cant do it
20:44<VIT-14>somebody can help me?
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20:45<lostatwork>VIT-14: what are you trying to install
20:45<VIT-14>im trying bluegriffon
20:46<VIT-14>very difficult
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20:47<lostatwork>never used it so I won't be much help to you
20:47<VIT-14>but do you know how to install programs
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20:48<VIT-14>i have in the folder donwload
20:50<VIT-14>lostatwork can you tell me what chat i can go for that
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20:56<ken>i'm a new ubuntu user, can someone answer a question for me!
20:56<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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20:57<ken>sheesh... i'm new to xchat too. how do i find a ubuntu chat
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21:37<RageRiot>my dedicated server has used a custom kernel for the supplied debian distro. I'm trying to install virtualbox but need the kernel header files. how would I install them if I can get hold of them?
21:38<RageRiot>I was going to look into changing the kernel all togeather but I dont know the hardware that well so I dont know if the kernel is custom to their setup or not.
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21:39<jordanm>RageRiot: what does uname -a say?
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21:55<RageRiot>jordanm: this any help ?
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21:56<jordanm>RageRiot: completely custom. contact your hosting provider
21:59<Ma_Jie>3.10? Is that what Debian 7 runs?
22:00<RageRiot>I just tried have to call back tomorrow. they only help with hardware and he didnt know anyway.
22:00<jordanm>Ma_Jie: 3.10 is available via backports, but that's not where that kernel comes from
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22:02<Ma_Jie>Okay. I'm so new to Debian. But I'm running the latest - 3.14 - on my Fedora box.
22:03<jordanm>Ma_Jie: fedora is a bleeding edge distro. It will generally have newer software since it's a testbed for many new things in Linux
22:03<oldlaptop>Fedora - we break, so the system you actually use doesn't have to
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22:05<SamB>yeah, my co-maintainer for gdb was wondering if we should switch it to embedding python3, but I said I didn't want to try that until after Fedora had switched ...
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22:23<yas>can i install ttf-ubuntu-font-family in debian. i have font display problem in debian in google news.
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22:24<abrotman>I'm sure there are other ways to solve that
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22:40*kardan wonders that rkhunter warns about /usr/bin/unhide.rb
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22:49<kardan>(#725866 tells to add "SCRIPTWHITELIST=/usr/bin/unhide.rb" to /etc/rkhunter.conf)
22:51<Ma_Jie>jordanm: the stock Fedora kernel is 3.12.7 or something similar; I'm using the Rawhide kernel in F20.
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