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00:04<SamB>like, say, lsscsi?
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00:33<neo1691>I have installed apt-cacher-ng on a PXE server. I will be now installing a client using a bootable USB. The PXE server is also a dhcp server. Will the apt-cacher-ng be able to cache all the packages required for installation? So that next time when I install another client from network, the client can fetch all packages from apt-cacher-ng?
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01:16<ehler>Installing still, "unable to install GRUB in dev/sdb
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01:17<ehler>Executing 'GRUB-install /dev/sdb' failed
01:17<ehler>This is a fatal error"
01:17<ehler>Trying to install GRUB to my flash drive which I know is sdb
01:20<jm_>installing what?
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01:25<me_>ehler : why don't you try a live usb instead?
01:25<ehler>So I can install GRUB to the USB
01:25<me_>do you really need grub?
01:25<ehler>How else will I launch into a persistent system?
01:26<me_>the live usb usually comes with a boot loader like syslinux
01:27<me_>all you do is add "persistence" as a boot flag. and voila. persistent live usb
01:27<ehler>Also, how do I cancel something in the installer? I'm a bit drunk and I didn't think I told it to install LILO anywhere but it's hanging on installing Lilo now.
01:27<me_>of course you need a persistent partition on the usb to go along with it...
01:28<me_>whenever i mess something up in an install, I wipe it clean, and start over...
01:28<ehler>I would want that partition on my hard disk. Installing GRUB on a flash drive is just a temporary solution until March
01:28<ehler>That's what I've been doing
01:29<me_>you can put the persistent partition on your hard disk. it's no problem
01:29<me_>take a look at the debian live branch
01:29<ehler>Right now I need Windows for school, but when I'm back home for spring break, after I figure out if I'm using Debian or mandriva or giving up and using Linux mint 16, I'll just be running Windows on a VM
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01:30<me_>for now you can keep your windows machine as is
01:30<ehler>Right now I don't have the extra computers, dvds, or flash drives to do that
01:30<me_>run debian in a virtual machine to learn it.
01:30<ehler>I want to spend a weekend running exclusively Debian
01:30<me_>once you are comfortable with it... you will look forward to formatting that windows drive
01:30<ehler>One on mandriva
01:31<me_>then install virtual box, create two virtual machines, and install debian on one and mandriva on the other
01:31<me_>that's how i made the transition...
01:31<ehler>I don't want to run it inside Windows. Then I'll just turn around and play WoW on Windows
01:32<ehler>Fuck, another failed install
01:32<me_>if you have no experience with debian linux then it will be hard to jump right in... better to get your feet wet slowly...
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01:33<jm_>IIRC several people reported failed grub installs on USB drives, so simply try installing it manually on tty2
01:33<ehler>Having the option of booting into Windows is getting into the shallow end. I need to understand water, not just feel it
01:33<me_>just run it in windows to get started... make your life easy. after a couple weeks you will no what you are doing and then you will have no problem doing the install...
01:34<ehler>To be acclimated to the water*
01:34<me_>you need to learn about the linux filesystem and common terminal commands, how to use apt-get and configure packages etc.
01:34<ehler>jm_ is the command for that just GRUB-install /dev/sdb?
01:34<me_>it will be easier if you can just toggle out of the debian VM to look something up with windows if something goes wrong with your debian install
01:35<ehler>Me_ I became familiar with terminal running Linux mint over winter break
01:35<ehler>Also, I'm on my phone right now, which I can use to look stuff up. It's just that my Google fu and the Debian documentation don't mingle as well as I hope
01:36<jm_>ehler: not during installer, you need to chroot and then ensure chroot has /proc and /sys mounted and then run /usr/sbin/grub-install ...
01:36<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI!
01:37<me_>ehler_ you would have a virtual machine up and running, totally installed on a vm in less than 40 mins.
01:37<jm_>the commands shown here shall help
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01:38<me_>you might decide that you hate linux (which you won't) but in the slim chance that you do, then you can just delete the VM
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01:38<me_>I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding why you are giving yourself so much trouble trying to get a system installed to usb...
01:38<ehler>I know I love Linux just from running Linux mint
01:39<ehler>Not system, just the boot loader so that I can have the system installed on my hdd and boot into it from my USB drive
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01:40<ehler>It's just that I'm excited to learn more (as much as I struggle) and need to know exactly what I want
01:40<me_>ok, good luck. My only experience is with building live systems and syslinux. No clue with grub.
01:41<jm_>what's the point of this? why not boot it from hard disk?
01:41<ehler>Windows is a pain with MBR
01:41<ehler>Booting Windows from GRUB is a nightmare I'm to understand
01:42<jm_>no it's trivial
01:42*SamB doesn't remember that being a pain in MBR-based versions ...
01:42<jm_>just install grub + os-prober and it'll add it to boot menu
01:42<ehler>Well shitfire
01:42<me_>i never had good luck with dual boots... it always was a p.i.t.a.
01:42<ehler>New weekend project
01:42<SamB>I've heard of problems with that new-fangled partitioning scheme they have now, though
01:42<me_>it might be better now
01:43<ehler>GPT and UEFI are a scourge on the advancement of Linux
01:44<me_>you could throw money at the problem. just buy a second HDD and Dedicate it to linux. When you are done with windows... format your current drive and use it for backups.
01:44<ehler> laptop
01:45<ehler>Otherwise I already would have. HDDs are dirt cheap
01:45<rjsalts>ehler: not so much, except for the same reason that bios is the scourge of the advancement of linux (i.e. hardware vendors playing lose with the standard and only really testing with windows )
01:45<ehler>Hell, I would've never had Windows until I got a free copy from my school if I was on desktop, because I would've built it myself
01:46<jm_>they're quite expensive ever since the floods in taiwan and bastards still using that as an excuse
01:46<ehler>rjsalts: when you use a different partitioning scheme than the industry is built around, and UEFI is restrictive
01:46<rjsalts>jm_: they're back down to levels below floods in Thailand
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01:47<rjsalts>jm_: not Taiwan
01:47<jm_>rjsalts: right, sorry
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01:47<ehler>Logged onto PC
01:47<jm_>looking at prices in europe it's nowhere near to what it was before floods
01:47<SamB>rjsalts: well, getting dual boot working again is also a bit of a setback ...
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01:47<me_>ehler: I just changed the hdd on my laptop, it's not that difficult.
01:48<ehler>Changed, not added?
01:48<rjsalts>you just have to remember that the space between partitions on a GPT table is smaller
01:48<rjsalts>but there is a special partition type you can use to store stuff for bootloaders
01:48<ehler>rjsalts: whoopdee doo. Windows makes too many partitions anyway
01:49<ehler>rjsalts: My computer, from regular use of just windows, had 6 partitions, none of which I manually added
01:49<jm_>really? it only made two for me
01:49<me_>i pulled out the old hdd and stuck in an ssd. It was a total of 4 screws to loosen on the back of the laptop
01:49<SamB>ehler: was this an OEM system?
01:49<rjsalts>ehler: this is from oem stuffs?
01:49<ehler>me_ We're talking about adding an HDD in addition, not simply replacing I think
01:49<SamB>they tend to stick all kinds of crap in there ...
01:50<ehler>SamB rjsalts: It's an OEM system, and one of them was the recovery partition for Windows, but still
01:50<rjsalts>I usually go with at least 3 partitions for linux
01:50<ehler>rjsalts: SWAP, Main, and...?
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01:50<ehler>OEMs would need to add a recovery partition if MS didn't insist on embedding product keys into the BIOS now
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01:51<rjsalts>because my main is on lvm
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01:51<me_>what do you "need" windows for?
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01:52<ehler>me_ school things. Proprietary composition software, solfege software, I like my games
01:52<ehler>me_ I'm a music major
01:53<ehler>me_ If I didn't need anything Windows right now, I'd write a few more DVDs, plan to get my backup Windows ISO from home, then go full throttle and learn as much as I can about Linux
01:54<me_>Again, your safest bet is to run Debian in a VM. I think you're asking for trouble trying to dual boot. I hope you have your entire windows hard drive backed up as a windows image...
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01:54<ehler>I need next to nothing from my hard drive
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01:54<ehler>I have an iso I can install Windows from (that I know I can if I reformat my disk to GPT if it's not)
01:55<ehler>Which is easy to do booting into GParted on a LiveCD
01:55<me_>If you have a complete image of your windows machine backed up, then you can just reimage the hard drive and save yourself all of the reinstallation...
01:55<me_>it's easy with windows backup
01:56<ehler>I've got a Seagate external that I don't want to work hard because it's a Seagate
01:56<ehler>I have some important software, some music, and some videos backed up
01:56<me_>why are you so hesitant to run a vm?
01:57<ehler>An installation, plus driver installs, plus updates, takes about 2.5 hours on my hound dog with my bandwidth
01:57<me_>in the amount of time we've been talking debian would be installed and running
01:57<ehler>On a VM
01:57<ehler>Because I know I'll discard a VM too easily
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01:58<ehler>Because I won't stick through with it, find the drivers, get the software I want running to run inside, etc. because it's just a window, just a program
01:59<me_>Using multiple vm's allows you two try out all kinds of different configurations. While learning linux I've generated 12 different linux box's using vm's. Each one is a complete system with different packages, and allows you to test out all kinds of things without worrying about breaking your install.
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02:00<ehler>That's great, but I need all the stakes to be invested
02:00<me_>I would never have learned as much if I was on bare hardware
02:00<me_>Now I'm on bare metal linux instead of windows, and I still use the vm's
02:00<ehler>I'm just seeking to learn what I need, as I need
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02:01<ehler>Otherwise it's information I'll probably forget, or never use, I'd much prefer to have a moderate supply of information I utilize well to a larger, broader understanding that was a larger time investment to learn that I can't utilize very well
02:02<ehler>Now, computing being computing, most of the additional information would be very useful in connecting myself to a solution, but
02:02<ehler>I would not learn it in as valuable a way
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02:42<kblin>morning folks
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02:44<kblin>I'm trying to install a bunch of debian machines on an internal network without route to the internet. I've got one system that does have a leg in a network with route to the internet, and I'm considering to use that to provide access to the debian install repository somehow
02:44<kblin>however, my first try with using apt-cacher-ng failed whle trying to compile the software
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02:45<kblin>any other suggestions that don't involve setting up a full proxy or NAT?
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02:56<nautics-lap>kblin: there is repropro and approx ,
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03:04<kblin>nautics-lap: I'll have a look, maybe one of these will run on the RHEL box I have available
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03:32<kblin>ah, actually I've got one other machine with a leg in both networks
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04:19<skunk_michi>Hi, is it necessary to restart any process after I added a file to /etc/logrotate.d?
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04:19<jm_>logrotate runs from cron so you shouldn't have to
04:21<skunk_michi>I did not find any logrotate entry in the crontabs under /var/lib/cron/crontabs
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04:21<skunk_michi>jm_, sorry, I meant /var/spool/cron/crontabs
04:22<jm_>skunk_michi: look in /etc/crontab
04:22<skunk_michi>I know, that logrotate works, since I find several .1.gz etc under /var/log/, but I don't understand, how they get ther.
04:23<skunk_michi>jm_, ok. There is /etc/cron.daily/logrotate... Thanks.
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04:24<skunk_michi>Why isen't there anything about the cron.daily stuff in cron(8) or crontab(1)? Because it's an anacron thing?
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04:25<skunk_michi>so what is the preferred method in debian to run cron jobs? the /etc/cron.* folders or the classical crontab?
04:25<jm_>because those are cron jobs as specified in /etc/crontab
04:26<jm_>and it's mentioned in 'man cron'
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04:29<skunk_michi>jm_, stupid me. You're right.
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05:01*cousin_luigi is running wheezy on a very limited system. Lately a daemon regularly fails starting apparently due to memory constraints, but it can be started manually after the boot. I've already tweaked apache to limit memory usage but it didn't help much. What could I do? Would having my daemon starting later help?
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05:08<Volley>cousin_luigi: how limited is that system? anything you can get rid of?
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05:12<cousin_luigi>Volley: it's a 500MHz geode with 256MB of memory
05:12<cousin_luigi>Volley: and I've got rid of anything unnecessary
05:12<cousin_luigi>Volley: can you recommend a tool for changing the daemon start order?
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05:15<Volley>cousin_luigi: no. i'm just thinking of things to free up some additional memory. 256MB isn't much but should be enough for a handful of services.
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05:16<cousin_luigi>Volley: the service starts regularly
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05:16<cousin_luigi>by hand
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05:17<cousin_luigi>so I wonder if apache is a memory hog on startup
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05:17<Volley>then maybe start it from rc.local or so ... with a wait
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05:18<cousin_luigi>Volley: Is there any tool to configure that without having to rename the symlinks by hand?
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05:22<Volley>cousin_luigi: there should be several tools, but i'm not really familiar with them. update-rc.d for the console ( if this is still used ) ...
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05:25<cousin_luigi>Volley: thanks, update-rc.d seems like the tool for the job
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05:35<azure>hello i am having a serious problem i get theis error when trying to run any application from cmd lineCould not find the database of available applications, run update-command-not-found as root to fix this
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05:37<zumbi>azure: which application are you trying to run? you might need to install it first
05:39<azure>well ive tryed synaptic which i have installed and ive tryed a few others and they wont run keep gettin the same error could not find is there a cmd to regenerate the application databse becuse i did delete the second debian menu inside of kdes menu and thats when the problems started
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05:53<KPG> Q. I want to display location and size of all sql files in a directory. help me with the command
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05:54<stdhell>KPG: What do you mean by "sql files"? Files with a *.sql name? SQLite databases? Text files with SQL commands?
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05:59<aarya>hi everyone,
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06:00<nevyn>KPG: ?
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06:01<aarya>I am facing error while installaing php5-dev
06:01<aarya> php5-dev : Depends: libssl-dev but it is not going to be installed
06:01<aarya>what should Ido
06:01<aarya>I tried to install kibssl-dev
06:02<aarya>it giving below error
06:02<aarya>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
06:02<aarya> libssl-dev : Depends: libssl1.0.0 (= 1.0.1e-2) but 1.0.1e-2+deb7u3 is to be installed
06:02<aarya>E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
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06:04<jm_>then try installing both: libssl-dev libssl1.0.0
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06:22<KPG>stdhell: hey sorry... was not on desk. yes i want to list all files which have extension .sql also their size
06:23<jm_>ls is really hard to use
06:24<KPG>yes but, what if i want to list particular file from the directory and sub directory.
06:24<aarya>hi jm_
06:25<jm_>you could use a smart shell or find command
06:25<aarya>libssl1.0.0 is already installed and I can't uninstall it because a large no. of packages depends on it
06:25<jm_>aarya: so update it
06:25<aarya>i already update and upgrade it, it is upto date
06:25<KPG>lex. locate -i "*.sql" will give location of all the .sql files but i want to know the size size also
06:26<jm_>if you already updated then provide information dpkg mentions in /msg dpkg bat
06:27<aarya>sorry Idon't understand it, could you tel me the command whose output you want to see
06:27<jm_>!tell aarya -about bat
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06:30<aarya>sorry jm_ , I don't know what is -about bat
06:30<jm_>aarya: check private message from dpkg
06:31<KPG>i am not getting who is talking to whom :)
06:34<jm_>that's because you don't address your lines to whoever should read it - so why should I?
06:34<jm_>plus I don't have such problem
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06:36<cousin_luigi> <- any idea how to deal with this?
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06:37<jm_>cousin_luigi: cousin mario says to investigate why starting mysql server fails
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06:39<aarya>jm_: it is not wring anything in dpkg.log file
06:39<jm_>aarya: no one mentioned that logfile
06:39<aarya>but 4 hour logs are as given below
06:39<aarya>2014-01-18 01:24:46 status installed man-db:amd64 2.6.2-1
06:39<aarya>2014-01-18 01:24:46 startup packages configure
06:39<aarya>2014-01-18 01:24:46 configure php5-cli:amd64 5.4.4-14+deb7u5 <none>
06:39<aarya>2014-01-18 01:24:46 status unpacked php5-cli:amd64 5.4.4-14+deb7u5
06:39<aarya>2014-01-18 01:24:46 status half-configured php5-cli:amd64 5.4.4-14+deb7u5
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06:39<KPG>jm_: yes you right. thanks.
06:39<jm_>KPG: anyway, you can use find ... -ls
06:40<cousin_luigi>jm_: actually it starts
06:40<jm_>cousin_luigi: it starts now?
06:40<cousin_luigi>jm_: yes, but apt is still fracked
06:40<jm_>cousin_luigi: then run dpkg --pending --configure
06:41<jm_>it's dpkg issue not apt btw
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06:41<cousin_luigi>jm_: all is well come dpkg-reconfigure didn't fix this?
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06:42<jm_>cousin_luigi: dpkg-reconfigure does something else
06:43<cousin_luigi>jm_: I see.
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06:43<cousin_luigi>jm_: What's the difference?
06:44<jm_>cousin_luigi: man dpkg, look for --configure
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06:46<cousin_luigi>jm_: I'm still not sure I grasp it.
06:47<jm_>cousin_luigi: notice how your error mentions postinst and the man page too?
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06:47<cousin_luigi>jm_: yes. Doesn't dpkg-reconfigure also affect that?
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06:48<cousin_luigi>But perhaps I'm simply tired.
06:48<jm_>cousin_luigi: no, dpkg-reconfigure is about config stuff, not postinst, try man 7 debconf
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06:50<cousin_luigi>jm_: very interesting. Thanks.
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06:54<jm_>no worries
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07:19<seeS>buxy: well wordpress 3.8 didnt last long, just uploaded 3.8.1
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07:21<jean_>my dolphin (kde) shortcuts disappeared where does dolphin keep its shortcuts config file
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07:26<MrPither>I have to following situation: we try to install windows (i know), but installer hangs, hard drive could be faulty, i have debian netinstall, how to test hard drive?
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07:27<jm_>simple read test would be dd if=/dev/foo of=/dev/null or cat /dev/foo >/dev/null
07:28<jm_>but it would be handy to have several terminals to check progress etc.
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07:30<MrPither>one more thing, sorry, if i open a shell during install, can i apt-get install anything (we're online)
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07:31<MrPither>ok, thanks!
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07:31<jm_>it might be possible ...
07:31<jm_>too late
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08:06<rostam>hi is there any mechanism that a process can be notified if a usb devices is installed or removed? thx
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08:09<jm_>rostam: yeah you can use udev rules for example
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08:13<rostam>jm_, thx
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08:15<askerboey>hi, is nftables going to be implemented in debian?
08:15<devil_>askerboey: it will be implemented in the kernel
08:16<askerboey>so, replacing iptables right? when is this going to happen?
08:17<jm_>considering that they only just released version 0.100 it might take some time
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08:19<askerboey>ok, thankyou folks
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09:03<bariho>is there recent news on the init system debate? when will the ctte vote? the last thing I read was Andreas Barth's statement.
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09:13<devil_>bariho: there will be a irc meeting on the 30th
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09:14<nfisher>Hi all! i have Volume-up/Volume-down keys on ym keyboard. Now they, by default, are connected with the master volume. i would need them to be assigned to "front-channel" though. is there a possibility to assign them?
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09:14<devil_>bariho: if all questions to the commitee are formulated to everyones satisfaction, the voting period might begin shortly after
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10:53<bea>question, mostly about policy: what should go to /etc/environment as opposed to /etc/profile or /etc/profile.d ? example: java environment variable to use antialiasing in swing applications
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10:59<debianwiki>a tutti
10:59<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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11:00<debianwiki>anyone is alive
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11:02<debianwikii>can anyone help me?
11:02<debianwikii>can anyone help me?
11:02<debianwikii>can anyone help me?
11:02<debianwikii>can anyone help me?
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11:03<roughnecks>what about this "MSG90C"?
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11:05<roughnecks>does not seem to be of help
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12:26<CQ>where is teh page where I can find out why a package (icedove 24 in this case) isn't in wheezy yet? the page says it will be at some point...
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12:43<fantasy>dobrii den' , mojet li mne kto to pomo4 ?)
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12:46<stderr>fantasy: Could you repeat that in English?
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12:49<fantasy>Good day , can someone help me?
12:49<trico>hi. ask you question. someone will answer if they can
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12:51<fantasy>I'm new user and i need to change screen resolution to a higher
12:52<fantasy>how do I make it?
12:53<trico>are you using squeeze or wheezy?
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12:55<trico>that uses that new version of gnome... im not familiar with it, i use kde
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12:56<blast007>fantasy: is the issue that the resolution you want to use is not listed, or are you just unable to find the control panel to change the resolution?
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12:58<fantasy>are abscent
12:58<papi>hola como estas
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12:58<trico>can the monitor support the resolution you want to use?
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12:59<garrick>hi, just type 'xrandr' in terminal this show you supported resolusion and freq.
13:01<garrick>and 'man xrandr' ;p
13:02<fantasy>Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 800, maximum 8192 x 8192
13:02<fantasy>LVDS1 connected 1280x800+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 331mm x 207mm
13:02<fantasy> 1280x800 60.0*+
13:02<fantasy> 1024x768 60.0
13:02<fantasy> 800x600 60.3 56.2
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13:02<fantasy> h: width 1440 start 1528 end 1672 total 1904 skew 0 clock 55.9KHz
13:02<fantasy> v: height 900 start 903 end 909 total 934 clock 59.9Hz
13:02<fantasy> 1440x900_75.00 (0xfa) 136.8MHz
13:02<fantasy> h: width 1440 start 1536 end 1688 total 1936 skew 0 clock 70.6KHz
13:02<fantasy> v: height 900 start 903 end 909 total 942 clock 75.0Hz
13:02<SynrG>no no
13:02<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
13:02<fantasy>ok , sry
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13:03<fantasy>i show the contents ?
13:03<SynrG>just give us the URL when you submit your paste at
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13:07<fantasy>i do not see where the save button (
13:07<SynrG>fantasy: "Send"
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13:09<fantasy>paste url ?
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13:11<SynrG>fantasy: paste the URL here, yes. do you not understand this step?
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13:16<muchteubluck>can we speak english only here ?
13:17<muchteubluck>Meilleur Voeux a tous alors et une bonne santé aussi
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13:18<muchteubluck>qui a déjà installé debian sur un toshiba s1410-303 ?
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13:18<fantasy>guys ? what is it ? can someone help ?
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13:20<muchteubluck>i have a computer, a Toshiba S1410-303
13:20<muchteubluck>i will install debian on it
13:20<fantasy>hp compaq 6720s ;D
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13:23<fantasy>sadness (
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13:25<garrick>fantasy: probably 1280x800 is your 'native' resolution with driver you have, 'LVDS1 connected' you have quit old monitor i think (sry for my english ;>)
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13:28<fantasy>and what shold be a laptop ?
13:28<fantasy>if not lvds1
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13:29<fantasy>ok , last question
13:29<fantasy>kde or gnome ?
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13:34<lostatwork>fantasy: that would be a personal choice
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13:38<garrick>fantasy: you have LVDS display and try setting manually VGA display? :)
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13:40<brent>anyone on here using thunar its giving me trouble with files marked permission to execute
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13:47*garrick i have sometimes permission problem in file-roller and thunar (jessie)
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13:49<xbytemx>anyone have configure pulseaudio to auto detect usb audio cards when their are connect? I have to apply pulseaudio -k to detect it
13:49<garrick>i dont know why i use 'me' xD
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13:51<xbytemx>I already configure a udev rule for usb-pulseaudio and a pulse profile for the card
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14:21<jchao>if I delete a user, then try to add him back, does linux retain a config that keep the user from trying to ssh back in? thanks
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14:23<rudi_s>jchao: Linux doesn't do anything.
14:23<rudi_s>If you delete the user and readd it (without removing his home directory), then he can login again if you didn't change the password.
14:24<rudi_s>If you did change the password and the user has a .ssh/authorized_keys in his home he can connect again with SSH (if the uids stays the same).
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14:28<jchao>thanks alotttt rudi_s
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14:33<jchao>would it be technically coect to say "Linux colloquially refers to a class of operating system characterised by having a Linux kernel and a GNU userland.
14:34<babilen>jchao: No, Linux refers to the Linux kernel
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14:35<jchao>Thats exactly what i thought. howeve our professor used this definition today
14:35<jchao>:/ got me confused
14:35<nocturnal>in common tongues though nobody says "I'm using the linux kernel". everyone says "I'm using Linux" even if they're referring to ubuntu, debian or whatever.
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14:37<babilen>But that is a topic we should discuss further in #debian-offtopic by the way :D
14:37<jchao>ok I'll join
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15:01<Samkov>I'm tracking stable and months ago had to install libc6 from testing. what would be the best way to revert this back to stable?
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15:02<sney>Samkov: that's frankendebian now. you could *try* downloading stable libc6 and installing it manually with dpkg -i, but downgrading often doesn't work, especially for core stuff
15:02<sney>Samkov: better advice would be to upgrade to testing, or back up your files and reinstall
15:03<dpkg>Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
15:03<Samkov>errrr crap
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15:47<Tenkawa2>Well this one is definitely puzzling
15:47<Tenkawa2>any debian arm chromebook users on?
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15:52<Tenkawa2>still cant find any reason Xorg crashed on debian however runs fine in slackware
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15:52<Tenkawa2>crashes the whole machine mind you
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15:55<Tenkawa2>also anyone have any good way to troubleshoot why /dev/input/mice is missing?
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15:57<babilen>Tenkawa2: #debian-x +
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15:59<lAB>i install debian 7 32bit
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16:00<lAB>but can't install wireless?
16:00<Tenkawa2>babilen: thanks
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16:03<Tenkawa2>babilen: biggest problem is since the fs doesnt sync/flush none of my gdb/strace/xorg.log/etc logs have anything in them
16:03<Tenkawa2>just empty
16:04<sney>did you try directvnc?
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16:04<Tenkawa2>sney: gah completely forgot to
16:04<Tenkawa2>that night went downhill
16:05<Tenkawa2>let me try that now
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16:06<Tenkawa2>sney: what was the specific part you said would be the most useful?
16:06<Tenkawa2>to see if its the fb
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16:08<Tenkawa2>well this cant be good
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16:08<sney>lemme guess, crazy colors?
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16:08<Tenkawa2>couldnt parse the keyboard mapping file (null).. exiting
16:08<Tenkawa2>didnt even get that far
16:08<sney>oh you just have something missing
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16:09<Tenkawa2>I apt-get it
16:09<Tenkawa2>let me strace it
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16:11<Tenkawa2>its a bug
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16:11<Tenkawa2>still hasnt been fixed
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16:12<sney>oh darn, I guess my directvnc usage on squeeze is outdated
16:12<sney>nuts. what else outputs directly to framebuffer from console? I imagine there's a way to make mplayer do it
16:12<Tenkawa2>give it an nonexistant one is the workaroumd
16:12<Tenkawa2>I can use that
16:13<sney>oh there you go then
16:13<Tenkawa2>kinda wrong but hey...
16:13<Tenkawa2>whatever I can use to debug
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16:14<sney>yeah we just want to make the framebuffer display a full screen, not put directvnc into production
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16:15<Tenkawa2>ok here goes
16:15<Tenkawa2>bbiaf if it crashes
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16:16<Tenkawa2>couldnt resolve host.. really??
16:16<Tenkawa2>good grief
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16:18<Tenkawa2>ahh haa
16:18<Tenkawa2>its super picky about command line order
16:18<Tenkawa2>here goes sagain
16:18<Tenkawa2>it started up extremely scrambled image
16:19<Tenkawa2>didnt crash the whole machine though...
16:19<Tenkawa2>I'm going tp try something else crazy.. .brb
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16:23<Tenkawa2>sney: well the good news is that its not really crashing the whole machine.. I set up a sleep to reboot after I ran startx in another term and it did..
16:24<Tenkawa2>so I couldnt get anything or use the kb however it did cleanly reboot
16:24<Tenkawa2>now I can debug
16:24<Tenkawa2>annoying that it does that but hey..
16:24<sney>at least you get a log
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16:46<Disconsented>Alright so it appears that my VPS host forcefuly shut down my server, is there anything I can do (on my side) to stop this from happening again?
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16:52<oldlaptop>Disconsented: find a better VPS host?
16:52<Disconsented>yeah, I cant find anything else that suits what I need
16:52<oldlaptop>the thing is, the VPS host has root access
16:52<oldlaptop>for all practical purposes
16:53<oldlaptop>if they want to do something to your "server", they can, full stop
16:53<oldlaptop>they control the hardware, they control the hypervisor
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16:54<Disconsented>So I am SOL essentually?
16:55<oldlaptop>if the VPS host feels like rebooting your VM, reboot it they will
16:56<Disconsented>So yeah I am SOL
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16:58<Disconsented>oh well ty oldlaptop
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17:01<N580-Noob>if one wanted to edit a wepage in debian, what would one use? is there a app for that?
17:01<Disconsented>I would guess Nano but it depends on what do you need
17:02<wintellect>N580-Noob: are you looking for a WYSIWYG type app?
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17:03<N580-Noob>ok i may have the skills to use a text editor but this person doesn't know html like i do. he wants some kind of "editor" or website creator that he can use (GUI?)
17:03<N580-Noob>yes prolly WYSIWYG
17:03*oldlaptop would use seamonkey
17:04<oldlaptop>I think there's a standalone mozilla editor too
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17:04<mtn>N580-Noob: bluefish is pretty nice
17:04<oldlaptop>ah - of course in Debian seamonkey is "iceape"
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17:04<oldlaptop>.p iceape
17:04<N580-Noob>he used an editor before and it did some css and javascript stuff.
17:04<oldlaptop>,p iceape
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17:05<oldlaptop>hm - seamonkey won't do that
17:05<oldlaptop>but js is evil anyhow!
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17:08<N580-Noob>i agree but what can i do? his N580 and it's what he needs
17:08<N580-Noob>for now anyways
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17:08<N580-Noob>is there anything more advanced?
17:08<wintellect>N580-Noob: look at this :
17:10<N580-Noob>is that the same as bluefish?
17:12<N580-Noob>nm guess not
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17:13<Slurpgeit>i'm having trouble installing debian 7 on a system with 2 SSD's in RAID0 (SoftRAID)
17:14<Slurpgeit>LUKS encrypted
17:14<Slurpgeit>and I can't get GRUB to install
17:14<Slurpgeit>im using this guide:
17:14<Slurpgeit>but step 14 is where it all goes wrong
17:14<Slurpgeit>any pointers?
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17:29<olspookishmagus>I'm trying to build dia with some changes (not much of a change actually, just an updated .po (translation file)) and I'm running into trouble even with mk-build-deps as shown here:
17:29<olspookishmagus>any ideas/tips?
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17:41<aliensyn>Hey guys
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17:42<aliensyn>Everytime I edit my deb with ar, after recompiling the deb, I get status 2 unexected line in archive
17:42<aliensyn>editing the arch info in the control file
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17:43<cowsaysmuu>Anyone have skype or Teamspeak working?
17:43<devil_>cowsaysmuu: thousands
17:43<devil_>cowsaysmuu: ask a real question
17:44<cowsaysmuu>In skype my mic dont work and sound is crippling(I think that is english)
17:45<devil_>cowsaysmuu: did you run the integrated test?
17:45<cowsaysmuu>since its 32 bits it wont support general OS
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17:45<cowsaysmuu>integrated test?
17:45<devil_>?general OS?
17:45<oldlaptop>cowsaysmuu: if you would rather talk in a different language there's other Debian channels for other languages
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17:45<cowsaysmuu>had to install pulseaudio just to hear application sounds
17:46<oldlaptop>say '/msg dpkg <ISO language code>'
17:46<oldlaptop>that said there's probably more people in here :)
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17:47<cowsaysmuu>english is my third language its fine
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17:47<cowsaysmuu>no people in my language
17:47<oldlaptop>in my experience it's usually getting *rid* of pulseaudio that solves audio problems ;)
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17:48<cowsaysmuu>I would like that
17:48<devil_>oldlaptop: that held true for a long time, but not necessaarily anymore
17:48<cowsaysmuu>but until pulseaudio there was no sound
17:49<cowsaysmuu>now there is some
17:49<devil_>cowsaysmuu: it was probably just muted
17:49<cowsaysmuu>in skype you have 16 diffrent options without pulseaudio tried them all
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17:50<cowsaysmuu>install 32 bit pulseaudio skype makes noise
17:51<cowsaysmuu>but still the recieving quality is just hearable, and my mic wont work
17:52<cowsaysmuu>is there a application for recording so I can test my mic?
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17:52<oldlaptop>cowsaysmuu: audacity works
17:53<oldlaptop>probably vastly overqualified for simple mic-testing...
17:53<cowsaysmuu>pulseaudio can do that but shows nothing
17:54<cowsaysmuu>why dont my mic work in Debian?
17:55<devil_>do you have a spare one to try?
17:56<cowsaysmuu>I can boot into windows and use it.
17:56<oldlaptop>Do you know what audio device you have?
17:57<devil_>mics work here ootb with alas or pa
17:57<oldlaptop>('lspci' may be enlightening)
17:57<cowsaysmuu>what does that mean?
17:58<cowsaysmuu>ootb, alas, pa, lspci, alsa
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17:58<oldlaptop>cowsaysmuu: the 'lspci' command will give you information on hardware in your system
17:58<oldlaptop>specifically stuff attached via the PCI (or PCIe these days) bus
17:58<oldlaptop>OOTB == Out Of The Box
17:58<cowsaysmuu>yes PCI was the days
17:58<oldlaptop>PA == PulseAudio
17:59<oldlaptop>ALSA == Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (the low-ish level API that pulseaudio uses - it's also what normal applications used before pulseaudio got to be popular)
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17:59<cowsaysmuu>Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GF106 High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1)
17:59<oldlaptop>there might well be a setting in Skype somewhere that tells it to use ALSA - you might want to try that
18:00<oldlaptop>AAAARGH, the evil ones
18:00<oldlaptop>I bet it's even an nForce motherboard D:
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18:01<oldlaptop>is this your GPU's HDMI-out or something?
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18:02<N580-Noob>on that bluegriffon thingy, it has ubuntu downloads. ubuntu is based on debian so does that mean i can install an ubuntu package on debian and it will work?
18:02<Megaf>Why theres no flightgear for Debian Stable??
18:02<oldlaptop>N580-Noob: probably not
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18:03<N580-Noob>ok thanks
18:03<oldlaptop>it *might* work, depending on Ubuntu version and Debian version
18:03<oldlaptop>but you should always try to either find a Debian package or find the source package and build it yourself
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18:04<oldlaptop>in general you can not trust Ubuntu and Debian to be binary-compatible
18:05<oldlaptop>you can find horror stories about people who tried adding ubuntu repos to a debian system and broke the system, if you look hard enough
18:05<N580-Noob>i have no confidence in build-ing skills. i've never done a build without errors and i don't know how to troubleshoot those errors
18:05<oldlaptop>of course the worst thing that can happen with one isolated .deb is that .deb not working
18:05<oldlaptop>N580-Noob: it's *really* not that hard :)
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18:05<N580-Noob>yeah i wasn't stupid enough to try it. i figured i'd ask tho
18:06<oldlaptop>if you can find the Debian source package, it's a good idea to try that
18:06<oldlaptop>it's fairly easy to work with them
18:06<N580-Noob>someday, if i *ever* get my debian system working, i can learn all this
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18:07<N580-Noob>i'm on a friends setup right now
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18:10<cowsaysmuu>skype effing su!
18:10<cowsaysmuu>what are the alternatives?
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18:11<oldlaptop>I think there's mumble for voice chats
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18:11<Megaf>Thanks gsimmons, I've been looking for something like that
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18:15<Megaf>flightgear was one of the reasons that made me migrate to Debian for desktop os...
18:16<cowsaysmuu>ok mic is in the right connector
18:16<cowsaysmuu>no response from system audio settings
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18:17<cowsaysmuu>you have working mic in jessie?
18:18<oldlaptop>but I don't have any of the works of NVIDIA in my system D:
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18:18<cowsaysmuu>will it work if I put in my Soundblaster 16 from 97?
18:19<oldlaptop>Worth a shot I guess!
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18:20<cowsaysmuu>might perhaps need to buy a cheap audio card
18:21<cowsaysmuu>since it cant hear the mic on the internal board
18:21<cowsaysmuu>but it can play...
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18:23<cowsaysmuu>no this is drivers
18:23<cowsaysmuu>my front connections dont work at all
18:24<cowsaysmuu>dont even have a choice for them
18:25<cowsaysmuu>Realtek things
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18:26<cowsaysmuu>so you recommend ATI stuff for Debian?
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18:27<oldlaptop>I recommend avoiding NVIDIA products at all cost
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18:28<cowsaysmuu>and the reason being?
18:28<N580-Noob>waaaayyy back in the day (decades ago) nvidia was the company that worked with the open source community and ati refused to. i missed whatever happened that reversed that.
18:29<oldlaptop>NVIDIA has been the way they are for a long time
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18:29<oldlaptop>the only reason nForce boards can have ethernet without a binary blob (!) is that someone reverse-engineered it
18:29<N580-Noob>so i hear. even Linus cussed them out
18:29<cowsaysmuu>pohajala poika!
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18:30<oldlaptop>NVIDIA of course now distributes forcedeth on their website as though they wrote it
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18:30<cowsaysmuu>so how do I install drivers to my motherboard?
18:31<oldlaptop>You shouldn't need to mess with drivers
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18:32<oldlaptop>except with NVIDIA GPUs
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18:32<oldlaptop>you need their proprietary driver for anything beyond plain unaccelerated VESA in most cases
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18:33<cowsaysmuu>apperently I need to, since my mic dont work. And none of the front connections. In windows there was a Realtek application so I could even change what the port was.
18:33<oldlaptop>nouveau is making great strides
18:33<oldlaptop>so it's a Realtek audio card
18:33<N580-Noob>doesn't debian have packages for nv drivewrs?
18:33<oldlaptop>that should work
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18:33<oldlaptop>N580-Noob: nv was the obfuscated 2D-only driver that NVIDIA released way back
18:33<oldlaptop>and then quit supporting
18:33<N580-Noob>o i c
18:34<N580-Noob>yeah that would be the back in the day part then
18:34<sney>debian has packages for the nividia binary blob in non-free, though it doesn't support everything
18:34<denis>je cherche un canal en francais
18:34<sney>nv actually had 3d support. nv was great.
18:34<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
18:34<oldlaptop>cowsaysmuu: Is there anything about a 'realtek' device in lspci output?
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18:36<N580-Noob>j'ne parle pas francais tres bien
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18:37<cowsaysmuu>bon noche par tu
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18:38<cowsaysmuu>now root terminal refuses to launch
18:38<cowsaysmuu>I have some problem with that one
18:38<sney>just open a regular terminal and su / sudo -i
18:38<cowsaysmuu>one in 15 tries it wont start or ask for password
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18:39<cowsaysmuu>where is ordinary?
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18:40<cowsaysmuu>found it
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18:40<cowsaysmuu>its called that even if it is not my language
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18:41<cowsaysmuu>I can contribute with translation
18:42<oldlaptop>the people to get in touch with about that are probably the developers of whatever DE you use
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18:42<oldlaptop>I don't *think* Debian does translations of KDE/GNOME menus
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18:42<oldlaptop>what about it?
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18:43<cowsaysmuu>Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co
18:43<cowsaysmuu>In windows there always was realtek
18:43<oldlaptop>is that the only thing?
18:44<cowsaysmuu>most is intel
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18:44<oldlaptop>Ethernet has nothing to do with your audio problem
18:44<cowsaysmuu>Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GF106 High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1)
18:44<oldlaptop>or I would hope it doesn't
18:44<cowsaysmuu>Only two things that isnt Intel
18:44<oldlaptop>that's the *only* audio thing in there?
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18:45<oldlaptop>I suppose you might try installing NVIDIA blob
18:45<sney>no don't
18:45<oldlaptop>I bet dpkg can help with that
18:45<oldlaptop>oh, right
18:45<sney>cowsaysmuu: can you do lspci -nn, go to that same line, and paste the part that looks like [1234:abcd] ?
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18:46<sney>the nvidia blob is *exclusively* for gpus
18:46<sney>that audio device is intel-hda, I think, but that pciid is necessary to tell for sure
18:46<cowsaysmuu>you get it all
18:47<cowsaysmuu>00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Core Processor DRAM Controller [8086:0040] (rev 18)
18:47<cowsaysmuu>00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Core Processor PCI Express x16 Root Port [8086:0041] (rev 18)
18:47<cowsaysmuu>00:16.0 Communication controller [0780]: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset HECI Controller [8086:3b64] (rev 06)
18:47<cowsaysmuu>00:1a.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset USB2 Enhanced Host Controller [8086:3b3c] (rev 06)
18:47<cowsaysmuu>00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio [8086:3b56] (rev 06)
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18:47<sney>cowsaysmuu: paste to or only 1 line, please.
18:48<oldlaptop>otherwise you fill the channel with gibberish and make debhelper mad :)
18:49<cowsaysmuu>all is intel except audio
18:49<cowsaysmuu>and graphics
18:49<sney>you going to pastebin that or what
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18:49<sney>still need to see those pci ids
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18:49<cowsaysmuu>you didnt get that
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18:50<sney>cowsaysmuu: we got a few lines and then the bot kicked you. please paste to, thanks
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18:52<sney>ok. the nvidia audio controller is the hdmi audio for your video card.
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18:52<sney>your actual audio controller is at line 5 in that paste
18:52<sney>,pciid 8086:3b56
18:52<judd>[8086:3b56] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
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18:53<sney>which should just work, but if it's a new enough motherboard, you may need a newer kernel from wheezy-backports.
18:53<cowsaysmuu>all is intel? this is a AMD 64 4 core computer
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18:54<oldlaptop>cowsaysmuu: the CPU may well be intel
18:54<oldlaptop>but even AMD motherboards might have intel chips on them for other things
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18:54<sney>intel hda is a standard for audio that replaced AC97 a bunch of years ago, everything uses intel hda even if it's amd
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18:55<cowsaysmuu>this comp is 3 years old
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18:56<sney>then it should just work. if you do 'cat /proc/asound/cards' do you see 2 entries?
18:57<cowsaysmuu>sudo wont work in terminal
18:57<cowsaysmuu>and root terminal wont start
18:58<sney>you can look at /proc/asound/cards as a regular user
18:58<sney>what do you mean sudo won't work
18:58<cowsaysmuu>it ask for a password
18:58<oldlaptop>that's your password
18:58<oldlaptop>or maybe root's password? Depends on the sudo setup
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18:59<oldlaptop>my suse boxes always wanted root's password
18:59<sney>sudo on debian asks for your user password, su asks for root's password
18:59<cowsaysmuu>finns inte i filen sudoers. Denna incident kommer att rapporteras.
19:00<cowsaysmuu>will try su
19:00<oldlaptop>you don't have sudo set up
19:00<oldlaptop>(good for you, IMHO :))
19:00<cowsaysmuu>du skjönner svensk?
19:00<sney>yeah debian doesn't add your first user account to the sudo group unless you don't set a root password
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19:00<oldlaptop>assuming that means 'do you speak Swedish', no :P
19:01<sney>most people on the internet understand a bit of the scandinavian languages but this is an english channel so please keep it that way :P
19:01<cowsaysmuu>do you understand swedish (in scandinavian). Almost correct ;)
19:01<oldlaptop>English is Germanic, Norsk/Swedish are Germanic
19:01<oldlaptop>so there's *some* level of intelligibility
19:02<cowsaysmuu>Not on topic but do you understand afrikaans?
19:02<oldlaptop>especially if you've seen the English of a particular string before ;)
19:02<oldlaptop>not any more than I do Dutch
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19:02<oldlaptop>(which is a little bit like English, once again...
19:03<cowsaysmuu>afrikaans is understable for scandianvians (that isnt morons) which have studied english (not volontary) and german (big language in Europe)
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19:04<cowsaysmuu>so what do I do
19:04<devil_>dutch too
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19:05<cowsaysmuu>where from? Afrikaans is easier than dutch.
19:06<devil_>isn't the boor dialect directly derived from dutch?
19:06<devil_>well, this is quite offtopic
19:06<cowsaysmuu>some idiot wanted boer dialect to be a language and not a part of dutch
19:07<cowsaysmuu>so they missed a couple of million books
19:07<cowsaysmuu>bigest misstake ever
19:07<cowsaysmuu>on that topic check nynorsk
19:07<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
19:08<cowsaysmuu>but why cant I start root terminal? And what do this ctrl F1/F2 do?
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19:09<cowsaysmuu>Also my dependecaries is fucked since I checked a box so I cant change them in the package manager
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19:09<cowsaysmuu>is that why?
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19:12<sney>cowsaysmuu: you're too vague for an answer.
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19:27<devil_>nope. Samstag
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19:27<cowsaysmuu>I have some problems now: mic dont work (bad support for Nvidida motherboard drivers) And this is a big bug, I checked a box about something about dependecaries and now it wont open at all.
19:27<cowsaysmuu>Of course I can work i manually
19:27<cowsaysmuu>but why should I?
19:27<devil_>a box about something?
19:28<babilen>indeed! that!
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19:28<devil_>the mindreaders are all out for the weekend, crystal balls all in repair shop
19:28<cowsaysmuu>some depencenderies are not reacheable do you want to get informed of this again (no)
19:28<cowsaysmuu>cant select to show repositories anymore
19:29<devil_>cowsaysmuu: we need an output bay apt in a pastebin
19:29<cowsaysmuu>I can select it but nothing happens
19:29<cowsaysmuu>And I cant start root terminal
19:29<devil_>cowsaysmuu: su; password
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19:30<cowsaysmuu>nothing comes up when I choose root terminal
19:30<cowsaysmuu>is this the punishment for jessie?
19:30<devil_>choose root terminal? where?
19:31<devil_>you open a shell, type 'su' hit enter, type your root-pw, hit enter, and you are root. pure magic
19:31<cowsaysmuu>I click it under Programs->accessories
19:32<cowsaysmuu>no I click in the top left corner
19:32<cowsaysmuu>open the menu
19:32<devil_>well, then do it your way
19:32<cowsaysmuu>click accessories then click root terminal
19:32*devil_ looses interest :(
19:33-!-mode/#debian [+l 628] by debhelper
19:33<cowsaysmuu>open a shell you mean this ctrl F thingy so I never ever will see a window until I restart ;)
19:33<oldlaptop>an xterm, a gnome-terminal, whatever
19:33<cowsaysmuu>that is on the menu too
19:34<cowsaysmuu>in utilities
19:34<cowsaysmuu>there is where you apt-get ;)
19:35<cowsaysmuu>but now the root-terminal wont respond
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19:35<cowsaysmuu>or start is better described
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19:36<cowsaysmuu>and sudo is for ubuntu
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19:36<oldlaptop>[19:31:50] <devil_> you open a shell, type 'su' hit enter, type your root-pw, hit enter, and you are root. pure magic
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19:43<babilen>cowsaysmuu: There is no problem with using sudo on Debian and I would consider it a good thing in many situations
19:43*oldlaptop points flamethrower at the heretic
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19:46<yours>Hey i am new to Xbuntu
19:46<yours>And i dont know how to use it
19:46<yours>Everytime i try to download things it asks for password..
19:46<yours>Please help me!!
19:47<yours>I dont know the password is their a way i can chnage the password ??
19:48<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
19:49<yours>Oh what is this chat for ??
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19:50<oldlaptop>the name is kind of a big hint :)
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19:51<cowsaysmuu>it asks for the root password same as in debian
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19:52<cowsaysmuu>you entered during installation
19:52<cowsaysmuu>not when you installed X but when you installed the OS
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19:55<yours_>But i dont remember the password??
19:56<yours_>My parents just baought the laptop of of someone eals and they never told us the password..
19:56<yours_>They moved..
19:56<yours_>But now i am trying to finde a way to change the password??
19:57<devil_>yours_: use a live cd to chroot into it and change password
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19:57<yours_>What is that and where do i get that from??
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19:58<devil_>yours_: please go ask in #ubuntu. like you were told
19:58<yours_>But what is this chat lline fore??
19:58<devil_>for debian, not ubuntu
19:59<yours_>But can you tell me
19:59<musca>/join #ubuntu
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20:00<oldlaptop>yours_: he just told you
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20:00<yours_>No he didient
20:00<yours_>Sorry guys i missed it
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20:00<yours_>But can you tell me
20:01<musca>/join #ubuntu
20:01<oldlaptop>yours_: this channel is called #debian
20:01<oldlaptop>it is for Debian
20:01<yours_>Oh ok
20:01<oldlaptop>as you've been told three times already
20:01<yours_>Is it a differnt site or company
20:01<oldlaptop>google is your friend
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20:02<yours_>Ok i am gonna search it up
20:02<yours_>You guys are fun ny
20:02<devil_>yeah, but we know nothing :)
20:02<yours_>Can you send me a link to the Xbuntu
20:02<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
20:02<yours_>For help
20:03<oldlaptop>or rather
20:03<dpkg>Xubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with the <Xfce> desktop environment. It is not supported in #debian, join #xubuntu on for support. See also <based on debian>.
20:03<yours_>Thank you.
20:03<devil_>probsbly better. in #ubuntu he would drown
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20:52<rmorabia>Newbie Question: Which GUI is best for an older computer?
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20:52<oldlaptop>rmorabia: Depends on how old the computer is, and what your requirements are
20:53<rmorabia>oldlaptop: Not too old, but it runs on 2GB RAM and I want as much usability as possible.
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20:53<oldlaptop>even KDE4 should run fine on that machine
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20:54<oldlaptop><flame>GNOME3 obviously fails the usability requirement though</flame>
20:54<rmorabia>I prefer KDE, but I'm coming from Kubuntu which lagged like crazy.
20:55<oldlaptop>what are the specs?
20:55<oldlaptop>besides RAM?
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20:55<oldlaptop>I *would* expect KDEpim (akonadi and all) to use too much RAM for a machine with 2GB
20:56<oldlaptop>(kmail, etc)
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20:56<rmorabia>Really bad default display card, 160gb hard drive
20:56<oldlaptop>but I use KDE4 daily with 2GB of RAM :)
20:56<Noskcaj>rmorabia, Perhaps google some of the following DEs. Xfce, LXDE, Razor-Qt, AwesomeWM, E
20:56*devil_ gave up on kdepim altogether, but I use kde only
20:57<oldlaptop>you really should be able to use KDE on debian on that machine, if you want
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20:57<oldlaptop>minus KDEpim (maybe turn nepomuk off too)
20:57<devil_>yes, 2GB is fine
20:57<devil_>on the lower end, but fine
20:57<oldlaptop>you also might want to turn off compositing
20:57<rmorabia>Alright, I'll try KDE again. Otherwise, I think I'll go back to XFCE. Thanks.
20:58<oldlaptop>hard to say without knowing what display adapter we're dealing with
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20:58<oldlaptop>XFCE will work fine too
20:58<oldlaptop>LXDE and Razor-Qt are in the middle of merging (obviously a big transition)
20:58<oldlaptop>so probably not the best time to burn either of those into your muscle memory
20:58<devil_>yeah, that'll take a couple of months
20:59<rmorabia>Okay, then I'm using XFCE as my back-up if KDE is too much for it.
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20:59<oldlaptop>it really shouldn't be
20:59<oldlaptop>unless you have a P3 in there or something XD
20:59<devil_>P3 with 2 gig RAM? :)
21:00<oldlaptop>hell, I used KDE on wheezy with 512MB of RAM and a 1.7ghz PM
21:00<oldlaptop>of course that was i386
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21:00<oldlaptop>ended up throwing an extra half-gig in there when I started playing DF though :P
21:00<rmorabia>It was probably just Kubuntu. I've always found *ubuntu to be bloated.
21:02<oldlaptop>that is one of Ubuntu's many vices, yes
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21:58<william1>Debian has a better bash autocomplete than CentOS. For example if knows that you can't unzip something that doesn't end in .zip so it won't even go there. mime type would be really nice. Actually one nice thing about the Windows shell autocomplete is that it cycles through all the files/directories that begin with the string you tyoe...
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21:58<william1>Like I am in a directory in Debian and have a file.c and the binary file. It would be nice to type vi fi<tab> and go to the c file since editing a binary is useless.
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22:00<Nemoder_>might try zsh instead of bash
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22:03<william1>Nemoder_: hmm worth exploring. Thanks.
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22:11<ls>hi everybody, is the package chromium-codec-ffmpeg-extra only available to ubuntu?? I am kind very new with debian (to linux as well), but i remember i was able to play some videos with browser after i installed this package
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22:15<jordanm>ls: I would check dmm if it doesn't appear to be in main
22:15<jordanm>!tell ls about dmm
22:15<jordanm>,versions chromium-codec-ffmpeg-extra
22:15<judd>No package named 'chromium-codec-ffmpeg-extra' was found in i386.
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22:18<Nemoder_>aren't most of those codecs builtin to the main package on debian?
22:19<Nemoder_>at least I haven't had any issue with html5 video
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22:20<jordanm>Nemoder_: well, there are some codecs that can't be shipped by debian
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22:20<jordanm>I haven't had any trouble on the web either, just with dvd playback
22:20<jordanm>but I also use proprietary google-chrome which likely has codecs baked in
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22:23<ls>so some codec are not free, therefore not inside the chromium package
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22:32<ls>I am looking at the web page with videos, it requires flash player. so i guess this where adobe hold its codecs?
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22:36<jordanm>!tell ls about flash
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22:47<ls>thank you jordanm, really helpful
22:48<ls>!tell ls about flash
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23:18<Celelibi>What is the right place to put my own script that is run by a udev rule?
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23:19<Celelibi>I'm not even sure what I did is what I should do.
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23:21<Celelibi>I added an udev rule to chgrp a file in sysfs so that only a given group can control the fancy led of the device.
23:22<Celelibi>Oh wait, maybe I can avoid writing this single line script in a file.
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23:24<Celelibi>indeed, /bin/bash -c 'mycommand with $ENVVARS' works
23:26<Celelibi>I wonder who should be responsible for setting the right permissions to the sysfs entries.
23:27<Celelibi>By default only root can do stuff, while /sys/class/leds is full of fancy leds control that could be made available to some users.
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23:30<Celelibi>Should it be the driver that handle those files that should take some arguments to set the permissions?
23:30<dreamy_>hi anyone helping?
23:31<Celelibi>Is it the job of udev when it loads the kernel module? What if the driver is builtin?
23:31<dreamy_>id like to convert a mp2 into a wav
23:31<Celelibi>Very questions. So doubt. Many wow
23:31<dreamy_>can i do it from the terminal
23:31<Celelibi>Of course.
23:32<Celelibi>Another question? :)
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23:33<Celelibi>You may try sox or mencoder.
23:33<dreamy_>who me?
23:34<Celelibi>Yes, the one talking about converting audio files.
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23:34<dreamy_>what about mpg321
23:36<dreamy_>i dont have accesss to synaptics right now. ill explain you later why:)
23:36<Celelibi>Is the root password encoded into that audio file? :)
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23:40<dreamy_>il find my way. ty
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