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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-01-25

---Logopened Sat Jan 25 00:00:44 2014
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00:07<god>Hi
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00:07<Guest494>What is the bash variable $- mean?
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00:09<Celelibi>man bash
00:09<Celelibi>/\$-
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00:29<guidong1>hi
00:29<guidong1>is there anyone?
00:30<guidong1>i am in truble
00:30<jalcine>?ask
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00:30<jalcine>guess it wasn't that much trouble
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00:32<stelicho_>howdy all, can someone help steer me to a resource for finding out why most of my applications are unstable and crash after an hour of uptime?
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00:48<ing>How should I build a linux-image*.deb for an i386 system on amd64? I remember I did "i386 make-kpkg ...", but it does not work anymore.
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01:52<kagawa>hello to all i have problem and i need help. i have a mini debian based operating system that has nothing on it . i wanna to install software on it but i can not there is no apt-get or dpkg or gcc command on it i can just connect via ssh with #sh shell
01:52<kagawa>what should i do?
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01:53<kagawa>can i copy installed software from other OP to it?
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01:54<kagawa>please help
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01:56<aqvervb>Hi all, I needed to (exact) copy a Debian 6 installation to another server. The 'tricky' part: both machines are off site and headless (but can be booted from rescue media (plain linux, cannot choose a CD or such) and are available in terminal). What was the easiest way to achieve that?
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02:48<swastik>#drupal-IRC
02:49<mongrol>missed
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03:15<voltagex>I've got a debian system installed via debootstrap, I'm getting almost all the way to login, but then I get "init: no more processes in this runlevel" and then a hang
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03:16<vishnu>How to install plank in debain 7.2
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04:12<roberto_>ciao!
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04:23<Eax_>Hi there! :) I am trying to install Debian on my Zotac machine, however I have run in to a spot of trouble: I have "burned" Stable_NetInstall_x64 to a USB Stick using UnetBootin, have gone through the installation screen, but the installer is hanging at "Scanning disks..." (50%), I have googled this error, but none of the answers worked. Any ideas? Thanks! :)
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04:32<sakax>!unetbootin
04:32<dpkg>UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
04:33<Eax_>sakax: Gotcha, what the heck should I do instead? The machine has no CD/DVD drive
04:35<SamB>Eax_: cp image.iso /dev/<your USB stick> ?
04:35<SamB>!release-notes
04:35<dpkg>Release notes for Debian 7 "Wheezy" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/releasenotes . See also <squeeze->wheezy>, <install guide>.
04:36<sakax>Eax_: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb unetbootin destroys the installer, use SamB command or the one mentioned in the FAQ
04:36<Eax_>SamB: Can't, am running Windows on the only other available machien :/
04:36<SamB>hmm, well, maybe rawwritent still works?
04:36<SamB>!rawwritent
04:36<SamB>!rawwrite
04:36<dpkg>RawWrite is a Windows GUI for the <rawrite> utility, which operates under modern Windows versions. http://www.chrysocome.net/rawwrite . For a more flexible utility (e.g. writing to USB stick, CF card), ask me about <win32 dd>.
04:37<Eax_>Awesome, thanks SamB :)
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05:11<azure>hello i just tryed to install wine like 5 times and i cant get the menus to show up or associations andy idea how to fix that?
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05:17<hawthorn>hellooooo
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05:18<szolnoki>Hi, is there a channel where I can report a Debian specific bug?
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05:26<babilen>dpkg: tell szolnoki -about reportbug
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05:27<babilen>szolnoki: You can just report the bug - we don't have a special channel for that. If you need help or some guidance during the debugging process we would require additional information though.
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05:31<szolnoki>ok, thank you, just installed reportbug
05:31<szolnoki>bye
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05:49<ezrhino>hello. I am no getting help in another Linux room. May i ask for some here?
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05:51<ezrhino>I am having an ugly font issue when i boot my linux os. I guess I need to find out the default font but i don't know what it is called. Please see this screen-image to understand the problem. http://imgur.com/ekTD0Ef
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05:51<musca>!fonts
05:51<dpkg>Fonts available as Debian packages are automatically configured for use via <defoma>. To add user-supplied fonts to a Debian system, ask me about <install font> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts . For general font information, see http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ . See also <mscorefonts>, <ttf>.
05:53<bernat>musca: that's Ubuntu, right? And that's GRUB.
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05:56<musca>bernat: yes, whatever he did with his boot media, he's gone.
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06:02<bernat>ah, sry, I typed the wrong name, nice to talk to you anyway, cheers
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06:07<vishnu>How to install Plank Docky ???
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06:48<vishnu>ow to install Plank
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06:49<abrotman>wtf is Plank?
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06:49<ixi>any idea when/if zfs-linux will move from new https://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html to at least experimental ?
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06:53<abrotman>ixi: did you look at the bug# it closes?
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07:03<ixi>abrotman no
07:04<abrotman>ixi: when the ftpmasters decide it has resolved issues, it will be allowed to pass
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08:54<Poenikatu>The country/region & language - System settings for KDE show American English only. Which Debian package should I install since kde-l10n-eo is unavailable?
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09:08<fotostudiojovana>hello :)
09:08<fotostudiojovana>how to log ppp0 interface in wheezy?
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09:11<Tenkawa>anyone know any good technique for determing why /dev/input/mice wouldnt be getting created?
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09:19<Sylvester23>Hi!
09:20<oldlaptop>!iH
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09:21<Sylvester23>Why not adding to repo dnscrypt package?
09:21<Sylvester23>*add
09:22<abrotman>you haven't packaged it
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09:22<Sylvester23>abrotman: No problem compile from source ;) For me of course
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09:25<Sylvester23>abrotman: But upgrade this's umcomfortable ;)
09:26<abrotman>Okay
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09:30<Sylvester23>abrotman: Hmm, this's package remove from repo... Look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=692320
09:30<abrotman>no, tha'ts an ITP
09:31<Sylvester23>Where?
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09:31<abrotman>the one you just showed ..
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09:33<Sylvester23>abrotman: No, You try enter command apt-cache search dnscrypt, or click here http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=dnscrypt&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all
09:34<Sylvester23>abrotman: Bad link, correct here http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=dnscrypt&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
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09:34<abrotman>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=dnscrypt
09:34<abrotman>the package was not removed, you showed us an ITP
09:34<kardan>mh, why isn't it just possible to copy/paste the website's ssl fingerprint from firefox
09:35<Sylvester23>kardan: Where?
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09:36<kardan>inf ff 17,0.10 I click on the padlock and see the fingerprint, but I can't select it for copying
09:37<Sylvester23>Hmm, in search bar?
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09:39<kardan>yes, then More Info > View Certificate > Fingerprints
09:39<kardan>would be useful to able to grab them easily
09:41<kardan>in the fields for "Details" I can't find them, only some "Serial Number" which I don't know what it is good for.
09:41<kardan>maybe this is different for newer versions of firefox, didn't check that yet
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09:47<fantasy>good day , please tell us the name of the package system parameters
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09:48<kardan>ii iceweasel 17.0.10esr-1~deb7u1 amd64
09:50<fantasy>says , that there are already
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09:50<fotostudiojovana_>what is recommended network traffic tool for mobile broadband in wheezy
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09:51<fantasy>i tried to unistall the game and deleted still something :(
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09:52<Apollo>fantasy: what the hell are you talking about
09:52<Volley>Apollo: sounds like random strings ... maybe a bot?
09:52*kardan also just wondered
09:52<fantasy>hm
09:52<kardan>it's pure fantasy, right?
09:53<Lightkey>they have internet in Moldova?
09:53<fantasy>yeah ;D
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09:55<fantasy>how to restore me panel ?
09:55<Apollo>fantasy: what are you talking about
09:55<Apollo>you're just typing random sentences
09:56<Volley>fantasy: please stop failing the turing test
09:56<ompaul>or please stop testing turing, your are failing?
09:56<ompaul>note the typo - does this add or subtract from the validity of the test?
09:57<Volley>ompaul: ok, now you confuse me :)
09:57<Apollo>seems like a bug in the natural language algorithm it's using
09:57<Volley>not that it would be hard to simulate typos
09:57<ompaul>your vs you
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09:58<kardan>seems I am the only one caring for validating certificate fingerprints at the moment
09:58<fantasy>как мне попасть к русским? :3
09:58<Apollo>!ru
09:58<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
09:59<fantasy>ty
09:59<fantasy>bb
09:59<Lightkey>nooo~
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10:00<kardan>or this is a known issue and noone wants to tell me
10:01<fotostudiojovana_>ok.... anybody using 3g modem for connection on internet in wheezy?
10:01<fotostudiojovana_>exept me...
10:01<Lightkey>xchat 2.4.5.. seriously?
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10:02<oldlaptop>kardan: you most probably should ask in a Mozilla channel
10:02<oldlaptop>since it's unlikely your issue is specific to Debian
10:03<kardan>thanks oldlaptop. first I wanted to verify that I am not to blind to find an option to copy it
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10:03<Lightkey>they have their own network, irc.mozilla.org
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10:05<kardan>ok, I am on it.
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10:18<Rasiel>Anybody?
10:18<lostatwork>!ask
10:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:40<aqverva>Hi all, asked that this morning, was disconnected later. Hope re-asking is not flooding/spamming.
10:41<aqverva>I needed to (exact) copy a Debian 6 installation to another server. The 'tricky' part: both machines are off site and headless (but can be booted from rescue media (plain linux, cannot choose a CD or such) and are available in terminal). What was the easiest way to achieve that?
10:43<Volley>aqverva: you mean your have a specific rescue media and with that you want to clone the server? well ... dd should be available everywhere, ... so the safest thing would probably create a image with dd ... eventually compressed ...
10:43<Ganneff>if you have working network, and they are the same or very similar: login to both, dd if=/dev/$disk of=- | $network | dd if=- of=/dev/$disk, with $disk replaced by whatever device your harddisc is, $network can be ssh or netcat or some such
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10:45<aqverva>Volley, Ganneff: thx for your answers! The rescue media is provided by the hoster, but will be 'any' linux. Network is available but insecure. I'll try your command, Ganneff
10:46<aqverva>Ganneff: Do I have to shut down the source machine or can I leave it running (was favoured much for less downtime)?
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10:47<Volley>aqverva: maybe i did misinterpret your "off site" a bit ... so you have network connection to both, you just can't physically go there?
10:48<aqverva>yes, volley, these are dedicated (PC-) Servers in different computing centers
10:48<Volley>if you want to minimize downtime and if you have a lot of data to copy, you might want to do some (maybe hackish) incremental rsync approach
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10:48<aqverva>actually I want to move 'my' server to another provider who does not provide 'my' linux distro
10:49<aqverva>Volley: I run CMWare server on the source machine. 1st step was to setup anything except /vmware
10:49<Ganneff>aqverva: mine is doing an identical copy on a basically fresh new system. so if you keep the old running, you will transfer an inconsistent state.
10:49<aqverva>later I copy the huge amount of data
10:50<aqverva>so I took yours as 'last resort', Ganneff ;)
10:50<aqverva>VMWare*
10:50<Ganneff>if thats unwanted, you can install the new machine, do a sync of packages (dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections), then see for config stuff and for the data have rsync transfer it.
10:50<Ganneff>then massage the new together as much as you want it, and when you like it, do another rsync for the data. then turn off old. rsync again for the last minute changes. then turn services on on new.
10:51<aqverva>the real trouble is that the new hoster installed a pretty weird kernel and VMWare requires fitting kernel modules
10:51<Volley>but it depends a bit on what services you have running and so on: you boot the target server with some rescue system and prepare the filesystems. mount them. on the source machine you mount --bind all stuff to some temp location and rsync it to the new server. once finished, repeat 1-2x, then finally shut down all services on the source, rsync a last time, install bootloader on the target and reboot the target. could work :)
10:51<Ganneff>(have dns ttl and stuff set very low, and on/off includes dns changes)
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10:51<Ganneff>you wont get an exact line of commands to follow here, but one of those ways we mentioned will be the road to follow.
10:52<aqverva>yeah, Ganneff, I am a Win (and networking) syseng, just no lx pro :(
10:52<Ganneff>depends on how much they are the same and how much downtime/error can be there
10:52<aqverva>servers are pretty much the same. same proc, same disks (target 1cyl larger)
10:53<Ganneff>then dd is a nice way - even though one with outage
10:53<aqverva>I would go with an exact copy and just if that did not work try sth else
10:53<Ganneff>(you will have to adjust IP addresses obviously in the new system)
10:53<Volley>ok, so if you are more a win guy you probably didn't make much sense of my rsync approach :)
10:54<aqverva>sorry, Volley, if we woud not exist you weren't leet ;)
10:55<aqverva>I try the dd approach. Does that install (copy) grub too or what will I have to do after dd-ing to make the new machine boot?
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10:55<Volley>if you dd the whole disk, then you have the bootloader part included
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10:56<Ganneff>yes. you will only have to change the ip to fit with the new one
10:56<aqverva>whole partition isn't enough? I have that /vmware with 350 GB on /dev/sda3 (don't hit me! the target will be /dev/md3) which I would like to copy later
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10:57<Volley>hmm
10:57<Ganneff>you asked for a server transfer. thats what we told you. not for simple partitions..
10:57<Ganneff>if you do partitions then of course boot loader isnt included. and you need to see to get all the right ones
10:57*aqverva is a noob. Deal with it ;)
10:58<aqverva>two short command to read out on source and write on target?
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10:59<Volley>dd is used to copy things "as it is". you can specify start and end and stuff like that, but what you basically do is binary clone stuff. which is a safe and convenient way to clone a installation, but if you want to reduce downtime, etc ... you maybe need a different approach
11:00<aqverva>Volley, the few I know about dd is that I can dd /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2 too?!
11:00<aqverva>I just need to create it on target before
11:00<aqverva>Am I wrong???
11:00<Volley>aqverva: yes. no
11:00<Volley>partially
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11:01<Volley>you could dd the first MB of the disk itself, containing partition table and bootloader and stuff
11:01<Volley>and then dd partition by partition
11:01<aqverva>would you provide that command to me too, please? I know, 'man dd' but if you give it I can make less mistakes
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11:03<Volley>add something like " bs=1M count=1" to make it copy 1 MB instead of "until the end of the disk"
11:03<SamB>Volley: you realize that extended partitions don't have their entries in the partition table, right?
11:03<aqverva>OK, I'll give it a shot. Thank both of you, Volley and Ganneff!
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11:04<aqverva>SamB, thx, I only have 4 parts so 4 primaries
11:04<Volley>SamB: uhm ... no i kinda forgot about that. but if he sequentially copies the partitions he would still be ok? :)
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11:04<SamB>ah, well, if he happens to know they're all primary it's not a problem
11:05<aqverva>BTW, all, no stress! the target is a 'dead' system, we cannot do damage
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11:05<SamB>just thought I'd mention it in case it matterred
11:05<aqverva>Thx!
11:06<Volley>aqverva: is there lots of free space inside, or are the filesystems quite full?
11:06<tajamul>xubuntu is ugly
11:07<abrotman>tajamul: This is #debian?
11:07<aqverva>just a sec, lemme do a 'df'
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11:07<tajamul>i should change my computer to get full experience of unity
11:07<abrotman>tajamul: We don't support Xubuntu here.
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11:08<Volley>aqverva: in case of lots of free space, you might want to consider zeroing the unused space and using compression when copying over the net (zeroes compress well)
11:08<tajamul>loved ubuntu 11.10 when it used to run seamlessly on my computer
11:08*abrotman wonders how long he should let tajamul talk nonsense
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11:10<tajamul>i mean why does not ubuntu not run without problems on systems with vesa intel r poloview graphics
11:10<Apollo>tajamul: this is the debian channel, not the ubuntu channel...
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11:11<tajamul>sorry
11:11<aqverva>it says /dev/sda1 19685 1685 17001 10% /
11:11*abrotman watches the light go on ...
11:11<aqverva>rest is only /dev/sda3 449263 353935 72507 83% /vmware
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11:12<Volley>aqverva: probably not worth the effort then ...
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11:13<aqverva>which effort, Volley? Actually I only wanted/needed to copy grub and /dev/sda1. The rest are *.vmdk I can copy using scp
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11:16<Volley>aqverva: well, the effort would be first preparing by using zerofree or dd : http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/44234/clear-unused-space-with-zeros-ext3-ext4 ... and then while copying to the new server you would insert a " | gzip -c " or so in the pipe on the sending side and a " | gunzip -c " at the recieving side
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11:17<devalex>hey guys i wanna make my own linux distro where to start
11:17<abrotman>devalex: try ##linux on irc.freenode.net
11:17<Volley>devalex: by finding a lot of friends and funds :)
11:18<kardan>devalex, try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_from_scratch
11:18<aqverva>well, Volley, I have a startoff. I'll give it a shot tomorrow and get back here if I need further help. Is that OK?
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11:18<devalex>cant i own can start it as a programmer
11:18<kardan>but be aware that it could eat your next months
11:18<abrotman>devalex: Do you need help with Debian?
11:18<abrotman>this is not a general Linux support channel
11:19<devalex>ya
11:19<abrotman>devalex: What do you need help with?
11:19<devalex> means how debian works
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11:19<abrotman>devalex: please start at http://www.debian.org/
11:19<Volley>aqverva: don't rely on me being present ... but you might want to learn and test a bit of that stuff, you seem to need it a few times in the future :)
11:19<abrotman>Plenty of documentation there
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11:20<Aeyoun>Am I free to use the Debian open-source logo to make promotions for Debian linking to the Debian website?
11:20<devalex>i know that debian is a linux distribution and its basically a combination of linux kernel and debian specific softwares am i right
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11:20<aqverva>Thx again, Volley!
11:20<abrotman>devalex: please start at http://www.debian.org/
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11:27<root>hello
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11:36<firechariot>hello, I'm doing an nmap -O localhost & the results for OS: appear encrypted with the message: "No exact OS matches for host..."
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11:38<voltagex>firechariot: try #nmap and that's not encrypted.
11:38<firechariot>voltagex, you're suggesting not using the -O?
11:39<voltagex>firechariot: I'm suggesting you should learn nmap better, and that this isn't the right channel.
11:40<firechariot>voltagex, I'm learning nmap, & I tried using it with -O & it's suppose to return the OS type. Maybe I already knew that & somebody else didn't
11:41<oldlaptop>firechariot: you need to be asking in an nmap channel, not a Debian channel
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11:41<firechariot>oldlaptop, gracias. I wasn't aware there was an nmap channel. Is there an iptables channel as well?
11:42<voltagex>firechariot: how do you think it returns the OS type? Magic? No - fingerprints, which is what you're seeing in the output.
11:42<sney>yeah, #netfilter on freenode
11:42<voltagex>sney: there really is a channel for everything!
11:42<sney>amazing
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12:07<alelero>hola
12:08<Pillan>Hola :-)
12:08<Pillan>primera vez que entro a esto, de qué trata
12:08<alelero>que tal como estas
12:08<alelero>yo hace mucho que no entro en un chat
12:08<alelero>se trata de hablar y conocer gente
12:09<Pillan>bien gracias, aunque un poco confundido.
12:09<alelero>por que
12:09<Pillan>a que buena onda.
12:09<Pillan>es que pensé que era algo así como tutoriales
12:10<Pillan>pero bueno, igual me gusta "conocer" gente
12:10<alelero>de donde eres
12:10<Pillan>de Chile y tú?
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12:10<alelero>de españa
12:10<Pillan>y qué tal va la crisis?
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12:11<alelero>de malaga al sur de españa
12:11<alelero>la crisis pues muy jodida
12:11<Pillan>a, dale... zona turística, me parece
12:11<alelero>si
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12:11<alelero>te sonara marbella
12:11<Pillan>sip
12:12<alelero>pues por esa zona
12:12<Pillan>es lamentable, como las malas políticas han llevado a esto
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12:12<alelero>si lo peor es que quien paga es el pueblo
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12:13<Pillan>bueno, alelero, me voy a desconectar. un gusto haber hablado.
12:13<Pillan>(tengo que ir a ayudar a mi papá con unas compras)
12:13<Pillan>Chau
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13:09<txt-file>hey folks … I have a problem with vtun. When I set "encryption blowfish256ecb;" the tunnel works. But when all other "blowfish 256" options give me a "vtund[1337]: Invalid argument (22)"
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13:28<lavamind>hi! is this an OK forum for questions about packaging ?
13:28<abrotman>You can try here or #debian-mentors
13:28<lavamind>abrotman: will do, thanks!
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13:33<lebouski>my alfa awus036nhr will run airodump but stays on yesterday it was scanning great any ideas?
13:34<lebouski>doesn't pick up other APs and stations could it have been some updates i trade on it?
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14:26<donj>any games i can install for linux?
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14:27<donj>like chess or checkers
14:27<mgv>donj: sure, see the games section of the archive
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14:27<donj>dunno how to do that
14:28<abrotman>donj: apt-cache search chess
14:28<SpeccyMan>gnuchess with xboard or eboard
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14:28<donj>offline chess? on a greyhound bus with wifi but its so slow
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14:39<nocturnal>nethack
14:40<nocturnal>perfect for long bus rides
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14:41<Sinokon>nethack? lol
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14:42<nocturnal>yeah, before they know if they will have reached sokoban and the trip is over.
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14:54<Hadi>Hi guys, i've got a newbish question.. i have compiled and installed a software myself, MPD that is. I want to remove it and compile it again with different options. is there a way to remove it without hunting all files individually and deleting them?
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14:55<Sinokon>apt-get remove "software"?
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14:57<SynrG>no
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14:57<SynrG>Hadi: maybe.
14:57<SynrG>Hadi: many upstream packages provide a 'make uninstall'
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14:58<SynrG>Hadi: failing that, read the Makefile and see if you can see in the 'install' target which files were installed. but there's a preventative way to do this. unfortunately, this will only be useful for next time ...
14:59<SynrG>there is a package (sorry, i will have to work to remember its name, and someone else here may provide it for me :) that you can use that will manage installs from stuff you've built from source and allow you to remove them
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15:02<RyogaTristan>Hello everyone! I'm new to Debian, making a switch from Slackware. After installing Wheezy stable, I experience an issue on the GNOME desktop in which Taskbar items duplicate on logout/login. For details and a screenshot, I have this post that no one has yet replied to: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/help-taskbar-items-duplicate-on-logout-login-4175492475/
15:02<Sinokon>Hadi: found this on the web http://askubuntu.com/questions/87111/if-i-build-a-package-from-source-how-can-i-uninstall-or-remove-completely
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15:03<abrotman>I hav eto login to see the attachment?!
15:03<RyogaTristan>Really? That sucks, sorry! >.>;
15:03<SynrG>Sinokon: thanks. the next answer is the one i was looking for. 'checkinstall'
15:04<SynrG>Hadi: have a look at the link Sinokon provided. that's a good summary of your options.
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15:05<SynrG>i guess if you *re*-install with checkinstall, you would then be able to use checkinstall to remove everything it installed the first time?
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15:07<Sinokon>Actually nope like in the answer you can just use it to uninstall it with you package manager
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15:08<SynrG>Sinokon: sometimes. not always
15:08<SynrG>hence checkinstall is better.
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15:10<SynrG>also, see 'cruft'
15:10<Sinokon>yes checkinstall is better
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15:13<Hadi>SynrG and Sinokon thanks guys, so make uninstall worked
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15:13<Hadi>now for the future, i am going to use one of the solutions, checkinstall maybe?
15:15<Hadi>Sinokon: thanks for the link!
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15:19<RyogaTristan>abrotman: any ideas? I suspect the lack of response from anyone is indicative of how puzzling the problem is :(
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15:20<Hadi>by the way, do you have any idea, that how can i install in a specific directory? that'd be nice
15:20<abrotman>RyogaTristan: I can't even see the picture
15:20<abrotman>RyogaTristan: create a test user, see if it happens for the new user
15:21<RyogaTristan>abrotman: I did. The new test user inherited the duplicate items even though the username is different and the old user account was deleted
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15:24<abrotman>RyogaTristan: please use picpaste.com
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15:24<RyogaTristan>Sure thing. I appreciate the help, by the way :)
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15:26<RyogaTristan>This is what happens whenever I logout/login via GNOME of a fresh user account: http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2014-01-24_21-40-24-iddsdwkZ.png
15:27<RyogaTristan>The black border has also thickened after several logouts/logins
15:27<sney>interesting.
15:27<sney>is your memory usage increasing as well?
15:28<RyogaTristan>No, I checked the System Monitor - my resources were all in check. CPU usage at 10%, memory usage less than 1/2 GB
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15:31<Sinokon>Looks crazy
15:31<RyogaTristan>Indeed. Not a particularly warm and fuzzy introduction to Debian =/
15:32<sney>well it's hardly normal behaviour
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15:33<sney>my scrollback doesn't go far enough to see if you already said this, but I suppose if you reboot it goes back to single icons etc?
15:33<RyogaTristan>Negative: Reboots maintain the previous state
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15:33<RyogaTristan>New user accounts inherit the state as well
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15:34<sney>oh that's weird. I was thinking it might be spawning new gnome sessions within gnome sessions, but that shouldn't carry over through reboots. though it might, hmm
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15:34<Sinokon>Just happen for gnome3?
15:34<sney>I'm a little sparse on gnome3 troubleshooting
15:34<Sinokon>2*
15:34<RyogaTristan>Must be; this is a fresh intall of the latest Wheezy stable
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15:35<sney>yeah that's a valid question, maybe install xfce4 and see if that goes crazy too
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15:35<Sinokon>I would try to reinstall gnome but don't know if this would still happen
15:35<RyogaTristan>Ha, that would be the easy way out. I LOVE XFCE, but I was hoping to get reacquinted with GNOME haha :)
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15:36<sney>well, try it anyway, and if it still goes nuts then it's probably a gdm3 issue rather than gnome itself. or switch that, disable gdm3, and start x with startx
15:36<abrotman>RyogaTristan: how did you install gnome ?
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15:36<abrotman>RyogaTristan: and are you using GDM?
15:36<Sinokon>First try the gnome3, i myself running gnome3 with no problems
15:36<sney>desktop task it sounds like
15:36<dodo>Will my laptop's battery going to last longer if I disable X and work just from the terminal?
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15:36<sney>dodo: maybe. ymmv.
15:37<abrotman>which last longer? longer til 0% or longer life?
15:37<RyogaTristan>I have absolutely no idea. This is a fresh install of Wheezy. In the software selection I selected desktop environment. When debian loads, it goes straight to GNOME3
15:37<Sinokon>dodo: yup last a bit longer
15:37<dodo>until 0%
15:37<abrotman>yes, it will
15:37<abrotman>RyogaTristan: aptitude install xorg gnome gdm3 .. does it want to install anything ?
15:38<RyogaTristan>Currently I'm not on Debian, so I can't check =/
15:39<Sinokon>Gotcha finally upgrade works after 4 try's ._. happy as fuck
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15:40<Sinokon>Did somebody had issues with upgrading to testing?
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15:43<sney>Sinokon: usually. see the topic - that belongs in a different channel. and /msg dpkg bat for troubleshooting instructions
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15:45<Sinokon>sney: alright sorry still new to this
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15:45<sney>np as long as you learn
15:45<sney>not all of us are as mean as abrotman
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15:46<abrotman>sney: Yes, you're the second person today to tell me I'm a big meanie.
15:46<abrotman>get in line!
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15:46<sney>:P
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16:06<yalchin-38>Привет всем !
16:06<Sinokon>yalchin-38: privet
16:06<yalchin-38>Как дела?
16:06<babilen>dpkg: ru
16:06<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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16:18<Hadi>installed checkinstall. it's awesome!
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16:19<Sinokon>Hadi: glad to hear
16:20<Hadi>basicly it helps newbs (me) to compile and reinstall with different options
16:20<Hadi>i guess
16:22<babilen>Hadi: I'd recommend to take a look at stow in lieu of checkinstal as it doesn't pretend to create packages at all. See <stow> and <stow usage> for details (/msg dpkg stow)
16:23<babilen>It essentially just manages symlinks in /usr/local/stow (to the appropriate directories) and thereby makes it quite easy to "manage" different installations from source.
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16:24<Hadi>babilen: huh, just checked that, it sounds great too
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16:25<babilen>It's very easy to use and just makes dealing with installation to /usr/local so much easier as it allows you to separate all of them cleanly
16:25<Hadi>welp. regular linux thingy: different ways to do things, i assume i'm going to try stow now to see if i like it
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16:25<babilen>go for it :)
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16:26<Hadi>babilen: i still don't understand how it manages to gather config files and some other files which programs use to put in /usr/bin /etc or /usr/lib
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16:28<babilen>Hadi: /usr/local simply works the same as before just that it introduces additional layers in there (/usr/local/stow/foo-software-4.3 for example) -- configuration files still belong in /etc, but /usr (as in: not /usr/local) is left alone and will still only be touched by the package manager.
16:28<babilen>Hadi: It, naturally, isn't a replacement for proper Debian packages that integrate well into the system, but checkinstall doesn't create those either.
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16:29<Hadi>babilen: oh makes sense! yeah, apt-get rocks. but sometimes there's this software... it has nice features in new version, which is not in any repos :(
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16:31<kwinto>hello sir's
16:31<Sinokon>Why the autoremove want to delete all my "important" stuff? http://www.picpaste.com/Shell-Oiq7KgM7.png
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16:33<kwinto>I have a question, I'm unable to mount the encryted luks lvm patition, I used to able to that but cannot recall what I have donce to mount this type of partition, help please.
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16:39<variable_>hi guys, i have a problem with webcam and looks like it's same issue in here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libv4l/+bug/984603
16:39<variable_>the problem with lower light, the camera changes the framerate. After some time the video freezes.
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16:43<yalchin-38>Привет всем !
16:43<Sinokon>dpkg: ru
16:43<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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17:56<Celelibi>Hey guys.
17:56<Celelibi>When will start the port to smartphones? :D
17:56<abrotman>It has?
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17:57<abrotman>https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile
17:57<Celelibi>There is a debian for smartphone?
17:57<Celelibi>über nice. I wasn't aware of that.
17:57<devil_>Celelibi: ubuntu is killing itself with their phone developement. why would debian jump off of the same cliff?
17:57<abrotman>Hehe
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17:58<Celelibi>Because Debian is great, Debian is beautiful, Debian is a lot better than ubuntu. :)
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17:59<Celelibi>Actually, I'm looking for an operating system for smartphone that would give me as much control as I have on my computer.
17:59<rob_>....walk in ans see that Celelibi and I am now frightened to ask about a solution to a printer problem in ubuntu....
17:59<Celelibi>i.e.: mostly made of free softwares.
18:00<rob_>we have any printer experts here tonight?
18:00<rob_>or, more likely, experts with CUPS.....
18:00<Celelibi>don't as to ask, just ask.
18:01<Celelibi>But I admit (before anything) that the printing system is a bit exotic with respect to everything that exists in the matter of device handling.
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18:02<rob_>I upgraded to Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and none of my printers work all of a sudden.... both my cannon and my HP have been recognized (the HP is the one currently "installed") and it says that the job was sent, says the job was printed, but nothing out of the printer.... it doesn't even seem to wake up for the job
18:03<abrotman>rob_: this is #debian, we don't support Ubuntu here.
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18:03<abrotman>rob_: try #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net please
18:04<rob_>yeah........ no help on the ubuntu chan, was just hoping there was a general expert with CUPS somewhere as google seems to indicate its a problem with CUPS, thanks...
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18:04<Celelibi>Isn't there a #cups somewhere? :)
18:05<rob_>and for all the people with the same complain that show up when I google the problem, no one seems to have a solution
18:05<Celelibi>Yes there is a ##cups on freenode.
18:05<rob_>thanks Celelibi :)
18:06<abrotman>lack of help in #ubuntu does not make it okay to ask here.
18:06<abrotman>If you want help in #debian, please install Debian
18:06<rob_>I will bite my tongue about arrogance abrotman, and thank you for your help Celelibi
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18:07<mtn>funny definition of arrogance
18:07<sney>projecting, surely
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18:08<Celelibi>he's a bit bitter for sure.
18:08<Celelibi>Who wouldn't?
18:08<sney>it's easy to get grumpy when irc support turns up useless crap, but that's hardly #debian's fault
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18:08<abrotman>It'd be easier if Celelibi hadn't engaged him after stating he was using Ubuntu ..
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18:10<Celelibi>Well, if he stayed as generic as possible I may have guided him a bit.
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18:11<babilen>Celelibi: We really only support Debian and Debian users in here for a number of technical and social reasons. There are plenty of channels that are perfectly fine for support of Ubuntu, but this is not one of them.
18:12<Celelibi>I may have gone in private discussion if I got any remark.
18:12<sney>Celelibi: of course you're free to guide whoever you want in a query window, if you want to try. it just can't be in #debian.
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18:13<Celelibi>I know how it feel to struggle with something (especially printers) and just get non-answers everywhere you go.
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18:14<Celelibi>Yes, empathy and stuff. I'm working on getting rid of it.
18:14<babilen>yes, we all do. This is still not the right channel .. Anybody can join #ubuntu or ##linux (on freenode) or any of a plethora of other channels and help that person there. It would be on-topic and everybody would be fine. But lets move on now :)
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18:24<Celelibi>Do basically the debian on mobile project is still in the phase "thinking about it"?
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18:28<SynrG>Celelibi: no, i don't think so. there's the wiki, there are whatever individual bugs various people have filed ... i wouldn't dismiss this as "thinking about it"
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18:28<SynrG>it's just ... you don't do something like this overnight
18:28<SynrG>especially on the broad spectrum of devices available.
18:29<SynrG>there's a buttload of work to do
18:29<Celelibi>I know, but smartphones have be out there for... years now.
18:29<Celelibi>(And I still don't have one.)
18:29<SynrG>so?
18:30<Celelibi>So I guess a non-nul part of the smartphones should be able to run on Debian now.
18:30<SynrG>this is still the process. i don't think it has changed since pabs wrote this:
18:30<SynrG>https://lists.debian.org/debian-mobile/2013/09/msg00001.html
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18:31<SynrG>my impression is that hardware vendors have made a very hostile environment for developers. so if you don't see people flocking to do this work, it is no mystery. :p
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18:32<Celelibi>ok :)
18:32<Celelibi>But it should be challenging then. :p
18:32<SynrG>e.g. from the wiki "Some hardware vendors will be violating the GPL and not releasing drivers/patches. You might be able to get the code by contacting them or getting the SFLC or gpl-violations.org involved."
18:32<SynrG>people aren't afraid of challenges. but tilting at windmills ...
18:33<SynrG>is not so fun.
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18:33<Celelibi>I see.
18:33<Celelibi>We just need to set a trend. :)
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18:37<SynrG>Celelibi: again, i think you miss the point. all of the people who care about this are already involved, and already doing what they can. they can only get better by having more people contribute. this isn't something "we" can do. it's something you can do.
18:38<SynrG>so go look over the wiki, subscribe to the list, drop in on the irc channel, and get busy doing the things they say need to be done.
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18:39<SynrG>and don't dismiss what they've done so far as "thinking about it" again :p
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18:48<greenbagels>I'm having install issues
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18:48<stderr>!ask
18:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:50<greenbagels>The installer won't let me select the e1000e network driver when I select it while installing 7.3
18:50<Celelibi><SynrG> and don't dismiss what they've done so far as "thinking about it" again :p <- ok, sorry to everyone I offended. ^^
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18:51<greenbagels>I highlight it and press enter but it just flashes and goes back to the network driver selection screen
18:51<greenbagels>(Debian 7.3.0 netinstall)
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18:52<stderr>greenbagels: Any error messages on the other console?
18:52<SynrG>Celelibi: when the eeepc first hit the market, the netbook was an exciting new class of device. the effort expended on making debian work on it was proportional to how easy the hardware vendors made it. if they insisted on keeping drivers closed, there was very little we could do. :/
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18:53<greenbagels>Other console? Sorry, bit of a newbie
18:53<SynrG>fortunately, we sustained for a couple of releases an effort to keep things working. and support for devices with free drivers was excellent.
18:53<sney>alt-f4 for the info console in the installer
18:53<SynrG>today, it's pretty much mainstream.
18:53<SynrG>Celelibi: so i didn't mean to squelch your enthusiasm ... but i did want to help adjust your expectations.
18:54<SynrG>and perhaps steer you in the direction of being a part of the solution.
18:55<Celelibi>Unfortunately, time is not expandable.
18:55<abrotman>Yet ..
18:55<greenbagels>How do I go back from the console
18:56<Celelibi>Alt+F1? Alt+F7? Alt+every Fn key?
18:56<SynrG>to ...
18:56<greenbagels>OK thanks
18:57<Celelibi>greenbagels: general information about Linux. There are several virtual terminals accessible with Alt+Fn keys (n being a number).
18:57<Celelibi>If you're in Xorg press Ctrl+Alt+Fn.
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18:58<Celelibi>You need Ctrl to leave Xorg.
18:59<devil_>greenbagels: is the green stuff on your outside mould? ;)
18:59<Celelibi>And general bug about Xorg: If tty9 does not exits, it will be created if you leave Xorg with Ctrl+Alt+F9.
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18:59<Celelibi>But deallocvt can deallocate it. :)
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19:00<Celelibi>Maybe I should report a bug about this.
19:00<greenbagels>It said [24.877650] e1000e: Intel(r) PRO/1000 Network Driver - 1.5.1-k
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19:02<greenbagels>e1000e: Copyright(c) 1999 - 2011 Intel Corporation
19:02<greenbagels>Then a bunch of USB disconnect, new USB device found
19:02<stderr>greenbagels: But nothing that sounds like an error?
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19:03<greenbagels>Before that it said
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19:06<greenbagels>Well it says /dev/.udev/firmware-missing and /run/udev/firmware-missing do not exist
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19:07<greenbagels>The install ui says No Ethernet card was detected, if that helps
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19:08<greenbagels>My motherboard has an integrated i217v Intel network chipset
19:09<greenbagels>Should I just go to the next step myself and continue with the installation?
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19:10<greenbagels>Actually, it won't let me because that's for network configuration
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19:14<stderr>greenbagels: You could try the unofficial install CD with firmware: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/
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20:01<greenbagels>stderr, same problem
20:02<greenbagels>"No Ethernet card was detected" and selecting from the list does nothing.
20:03<stderr>Unfortunately I don't have any other ideas.
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20:09<greenbagels>I'll ask around and install tomorrow
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20:41<sarvad>Any idea when Jessie will be released ?
20:41<Darklock>I know that one!
20:41<Darklock>"when it's done"
20:42<nun>hahahahah...
20:42<nun>good one!
20:42<abrotman>oh, he seriously wanted to know?
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20:43<me_>sarvad: I saw a link the other day that said November 2014
20:44<me_>seriously.
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20:46<sarvad>me_ : Not sure if you are trying to pull my leg but if you are serious - Thanks.
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20:47<sarvad>darklock/nun : Hilarious. DYing of laughter here.
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20:52<dharc>do you know some way to reduce laptop temperature?
20:53<_v_>dharc, thinkpad's have a thinkpad acpi that lets you control the fan
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20:54<_v_>dharc, you can also look at using a different cpu state. perhaps a powersave cpu governor can drop your cpu, reducing power
20:54<_v_>dharc, and, of course, my personal favourite: sudo poweroff
20:55<_v_>dharc, I think there may also be a generic ACPI fan control module. not sure; have been stuck with think pads for last decade
20:55<roberto_>OLA
20:55<dharc>_v_: my laptop is dell with amd and intel gpus, the amd driver is a good option to reduce temp?
20:55<dharc>roberto_: olá
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20:56<roberto_>TUDO BEM GATINHA?
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20:57<_v_>dharc, if you mean that have both an discrete amd gpu and an on-die intel gpu, you could try disabling the discrete gpu in the bios
20:58<_v_>or look at something like bumblebee
20:58<dharc>roberto_: gth
20:58<_v_>though... bumblebee is nvidia, I think?
20:59<dharc>_v_: my bios dont have that resource :S
20:59<_v_>dharc, that's sad.
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21:00<_v_>mine does. so I did
21:00<dharc>well, i'd like to use only free software =/, but i think i dont have option
21:01<_v_>dharc, you have many options if you're just trying to reduce temperature....
21:01<_v_>dharc, also look at something like powertop. while not directly aimed at reducing temperature, it's a good utility for tracking down power hogging applications
21:02<_v_>and power hogging applications can have affect overall temperature (power has to go somewhere, eh?)
21:02<dharc>now with fglrx driver i got 45C, before with tlp or laptop-mode-tools i got 55C
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21:03<_v_>dharc, seems to me that the driver you use should be pretty independent of whether or not you enable the tweaks known as laptop mode
21:03<_v_>dharc, err, the *video* driver
21:03<_v_>use 'em both... save more power?
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21:05<dharc>_v_: yes
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21:08<Aeyoun>dharc: what are you doing when the laptop gets hot?
21:09<Aeyoun>dharc: Clean the fans and heat exhausts. :)
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21:10<Aeyoun>dharc: Put something underneat your laptop at the back near the screen (like a pen) to lift if from the table and increase airflow.
21:11<dharc>Aeyoun: watching videos, or virtualizing...(play games and compiling are normal increasing the temp is normal)
21:11<Aeyoun>dharc: so its a desktop? Turn on click-to-play plugins in your browser. Does wonders.
21:12<Aeyoun>*desktop environment
21:12<dharc>gnome shell :P
21:12<Aeyoun>dharc: if it wasn't a problem "before", I'd start with cleaning the fans, exhaust, and ensuring airflow.
21:12<dharc>I'm putting a big fan :P
21:13<Aeyoun>1 kg of dust inside the thing will make it hot.
21:13<_v_>Aeyoun, and cat hair too!
21:14<Aeyoun>_v_: that would absolutely slow down the fans.
21:15<_v_>Aeyoun, still trying to convince my folks that they shouldn't encourage the cat to wander around on the computer desk unless they want to remember to clean out the fans semi-annually
21:16<dharc>...and...congratulations on the due reward from Valve, devs
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21:17<Aeyoun>_v_: get a keyboard with two usb ports on the back and stick these out back at an angle. http://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-USB-Powered-Portable-Cooling-Solution/dp/B003XN24GY Rotating blades should keep the cat away.
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21:18<Aeyoun>dharc: that product could help you with your heating problem as well. Two of those keeps my BitCoin miners cold, at least. Should handle your laptop.
21:18<_v_>Aeyoun, you remember the proverbs about curiousity and cats? not sure it'd work to keep the cat away so much as put me in the dog house
21:19<Aeyoun>_v_: My next suggestion would have been a USB tesla-coil. Same problem?
21:19<_v_>likely :-)
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21:19<_v_>and the hair would be even harder to blow out!
21:21<oldlaptop>dharc: that really isn't all that hot for a laptop
21:22<oldlaptop>at idle *maybe* it's worrying
21:22<oldlaptop>but 55 is pretty decent for full load
21:23<dharc>when idle :P
21:23<oldlaptop>that's still not dangerous, assuming it doesn't get too bad under load
21:24<oldlaptop>I know at least Intel laptop CPUs are rated for 100C
21:24<oldlaptop>or more
21:24<dharc>and for kfreebsd? how to manage the temp?
21:25<oldlaptop>(I believe my old C2D here cuts out at 110C, it gets to 90 or so with both cores loaded)
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21:25<oldlaptop>sits at 54 right now
21:25<oldlaptop>but that's a really hot CPU (paired with a really hot GPU), cooled pretty badly
21:25<oldlaptop>(thinkpad T60 cooling system is less than ideal
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21:28<_v_>dharc, is the temperature a problem? are you chasing a solution to a problem you don't have?
21:29<dharc>_v_: kfreebsd really has this problem
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21:29<oldlaptop>dharc: but what harm does it do?
21:29<oldlaptop>is it uncomfortably hot to use?
21:29<_v_>dharc, kfreebsd has a few problems...
21:30<_v_>but that's what #debian-kbsd is for
21:30<gomex>Hi guys
21:30<oldlaptop>if the machine works, why run around looking for things to fix?
21:30<dharc>oldlaptop: yes
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21:30<gomex>is there any other package to put crypt option in nautilus instead seahorse-nautilus?
21:31<oldlaptop>now when this machine kept boiling water with the GPU at load, I decided something had to be done about that :)
21:31<oldlaptop>(not in software though, I opened it up and replaced the stupid thermal pad with a copper shim + paste)
21:31<dharc>_v_: kfreebsd is a debian project, right?
21:32<_v_>dharc: many things are; My point is that you might be able to find better support for an esoteric subset of debian in a channel specifically set up for that esoteric subset.
21:33<_v_>and... kfreebsd is *really* not targetting laptops. While they don't specifically discourage, it might pay to look at the specific motivations for kfreebsd, and use that to help guide you for what you want from it
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21:35<SamB>I don't think kfreebsd has totally graduated to full release architecture status yet?
21:35<oldlaptop>it has
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21:35<oldlaptop>as of wheezy
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21:36*SamB supposes he should re-read some pages about that ...
21:36<thephil>Looking for ideas on troubleshooting mic in jessie. I can hear myself if I set alsamixer to unmute rear mic in the playback section. I set the capture to use rear mic and cannot get it to work in arecord.
21:36<_v_>I installed it last week. ran it for about 48 hours on my laptop, then decided that I wasn't likely to be able to mould it to my needs in the amount of time I had and switch back to debian. (specifically, I was frustrated by I/O performance)
21:37<dharc>kfreebsd is needing help, that's the true. it's the only gnu/non-linux almost usable
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21:37<_v_>dharc: almost usable is very subjective :-)
21:38<oldlaptop>and now its very existence is controversial, apparently
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21:39<sney>thephil: jessie support goes to #debian-next, but fwiw I made my microphone work the other day by disabling pulseaudio
21:40<thephil>great thanks!
21:40<dharc>today Linux is synonymous for android, GNU doesnt have Hurd until now, kFreeBSD is the best choice to replace Linux for GNU systems i guess...
21:40<_v_>dharc: not synonymous in my world
21:40<deepy_>Hi, I'm trying to use runit alongside init, I've installed it but I can't seem to figure out how to use it, does anyone happen to have a guide?
21:41<_v_>dharc: maybe a synonym in yours, though
21:41<_v_>deepy_: like... http://smarden.org/runit/useinit.html ?
21:41<dharc>_v_: android notebooks are coming...
21:42<_v_>dharc: so?
21:42*oldlaptop would like to see APT run on *bsd
21:42<deepy_>_v_: well I did manage to get it to start and such, but I can't manage to get any of my services to run
21:42<_v_>dharc: it's also going to rain tomorrow. doesn't mean much in the terms of this conversation?
21:42<oldlaptop>whole GNU userland on *bsd kernels doesn't interest me as much
21:43<deepy_>pstree shows that it picked up my service, but sv status sleep gives an error about the folder
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21:43<deepy_>unable to change to service directory, file does not exist
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21:44<_v_>deepy_: not sure; I've never used runit. but when I get that sort of error, I normally turn to a tool like strace
21:44<_v_>deepy_: that might give you a hint about what directory "sv" is trying to access.
21:45<dharc>_v_: so GNU/Linux will live with few users
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21:46<_v_>dharc: that's a remarkable grand statement, that seems remarkably unsubstantiated. Or, in short for [Citation needed]
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21:48<dharc>ok so
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22:19<deepy_>_v_: cheers, I was trying to get information about 'sleep' when it was called 'sleeper' :P
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22:20<_v_>deepy_: great! simple solutions are always the best :-)
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22:25<greenbagels>stderr, I just installed using the full dvds
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22:26<greenbagels>But I have a question: if I have windows and my Debian efi partition on my ssd
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22:26<greenbagels>And my swap and root directories for Debian on my hdd
22:26<greenbagels>Can I still add windows to GRUB?
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22:27<greenbagels>Because trying to boot from my ssd now gives a "no boot device" error
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22:28<_v_>greenbagels: grub or grub2?
22:28<greenbagels>I believe it's grub
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22:28<greenbagels>I didn't see a 2
22:29<_v_>greenbagels: if it's traditional grub (i.e. 0.8.9 or something like that?), then I'd expect to see the windows boot entry off of (hd1) if your linux is on (hd0)
22:29<_v_>greenbagels: or vice versa
22:30<_v_>greenbagels: also, check that the device.map is correct, so that (hd0) points to /dev/sda (or whatever you think it should)
22:30<_v_>greenbagels: I don't have any experience with grub2, so I don't know how the instructions would differ there
22:30<greenbagels>GRUB version 1.99-27+deb7u2
22:31<_v_>oh. grub 2, apparently
22:31<greenbagels>This is how it's set up
22:31<_v_>which is what I have on my system... no idea how to use it, though :-)
22:31<greenbagels>SATA0 - SSD
22:32<greenbagels>Windows system partition
22:32<greenbagels>EFI partition
22:32<greenbagels>SATA1 - HDD
22:32<greenbagels>NTFS partition for windows storage
22:33<greenbagels>Swap partition for debian
22:33<greenbagels>EXT4 root partition
22:35<_v_>greenbagels: in linux terms... that means.... /dev/sda1 is windows, /dev/sda2 is uEFI partition, /dev/sdb1 is also windows, /dev/sdb2 (or 5) is swap, and /dev/sdb3 (or 5 or 6) is /
22:35<_v_>greenbagels: take a look at your /boot/grub/grub.cfg. This file is managed by update-grub (somehow -- not sure!)
22:35<greenbagels>Yeah what's the command to list partitions
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22:36<_v_>greenbagels: I use "sudo fdisk -l"
22:36<greenbagels>K
22:36<_v_>greenbagels: I presume your windows partition will look something like what's shown on http://dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html#mozTocId722095
22:37<_v_>greenbagels: but look closely... is it at (hd0,1) or (hd1,1)?
22:38<_v_>actually.. I'd expect (hd0,0) is the correct one, unless linux is at (hd0) is your hdd..., in which case I'd expect (hd1,0) should be the windows chainload
22:38<_v_>greenbagels: look at /boot/grub/device.map -- it should tell you which device is (hd0) and which is (hd1)
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22:39<greenbagels> /dev/sda2 is windows
22:39<greenbagels> /dev/sdb4 is linux
22:39<_v_>greenbagels: okay... so it should be (hdX,1), where X can be determined from devices.map
22:39<greenbagels>So (hd0,2) is windows
22:39<greenbagels>Oh
22:40<_v_>greenbagels: maybe. or maybe the map was set up so that (hd0) was your hdd, and (hd1) was your sdd
22:40<greenbagels>How do I check
22:40<_v_>I don't know for sure how the debian installer does it
22:41<_v_>greenbagels: look at /boot/grub/device.map
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22:41<greenbagels>hd0 is ssd
22:42<_v_>greenbagels: okay. so check to see if your chainloader is set properly for with the root device set to (hd0,1)
22:42<_v_>(in grub.cfg)
22:43<greenbagels>which enter?
22:43<greenbagels>entry*
22:43<greenbagels>Debian?
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22:44<sonic>irc://irc.darksin.it/Horror
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22:44<greenbagels>set root=' (hd1,msdos4) '
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22:44<_v_>greenbagels: look at the whole thing... try to make sense of it...
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22:45<_v_>... I can't much help... I've never dual booted a uEFI system
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22:47<arcmaj3>Hi. I just installed Adobe-Flash browser plugin to watch videos. When I go to a webpage using videos, my browser locks up. Why is this, and how can I fix it? Thanks!
22:47<greenbagels>Hmm
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22:47<greenbagels>I don't know what to do
22:48<greenbagels>Now I can't boot to win7 hmm
22:48<me>arcmaj: are you trying to watch youtube?
22:48<arcmaj3>no I haven't tried youtube, since (before I installed flash) it was working fine
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22:49<me_>flash is a pain... i refuse to use it anymore
22:49<me_>for youtube, iceweasel has a nice "html5 always" plugin
22:49<arcmaj3>Vimeo does'nt crash it, but the video never loads/plays
22:49<_v_>greenbagels: sorry. don't think I can help. last time I dual booted, I was booting between .... uhm... windows 95 and... uhm.... mandrake, I think?
22:49<me_>it might work on other flash videos to...
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22:50<arcmaj3>hmm, does it actually play flash videos in html5? if so that could be very cool (the websites I'm concerned about are ones with no html5 support)
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22:51<arcmaj3>Youtube doesn't seem to work now.
22:51<arcmaj3>(it did without flash installed)
22:51<me_>from what i have seen, the plugin takes any flash video on youtube and converts it
22:51<arcmaj3>cool
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22:52<arcmaj3>what's the plugin called?
22:52<me_>just ditch flash and get creative with the alternatives...
22:52<me_>i think it is called "html5 always"
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22:52<_v_>me_: really? that's susprising!
22:53-!-mode/#debian [+l 612] by debhelper
22:53<_v_>me_: I would expect that the plugin instead would ask google to only serve its HTML-5 based version.... rather than implementing flash in html-5 on the client side
22:53<me_>i could be wrong... my memory is foggy... and i'm too busy to ixquick it
22:53<_v_>meh. not actually motivated enough to install flash nor a plugin to make youtube work.
22:54<greenbagels>I think did it wrong
22:54<greenbagels>Didn't install in UEFI boot mode
22:54<me_>_v_ : if i remember correctly it allowed me to see videos that youtube wouldn't provide in html5... so it must be converting something...
22:54<arcmaj3>hmm I don't see it, only a few to use youtube's html5 option
22:54<_v_>me_: that's pretty cool, then!
22:55<arcmaj3>google search for html5 always didn't turn up anything
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22:56<me_>I told you my memory was foggy... here it is : https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-all-html5/
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22:57<arcmaj3>aha, ok, thanks. Doesn't really fit my use case (Pearson E-Textbook video) and my browser (Iceweasel 17.0.10) :( Thanks though.
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22:58<me_>arcmaj3 you can get iceweasel 24esr for wheezy, then it will work
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22:58<me_>you just need the mozilla.debian repo
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22:59<arcmaj3>Oh well I'll probably just use my crashy laptop
22:59<arcmaj3>since I can just turn off flash to gt youtube
22:59<arcmaj3>thanks though.
22:59<me_>ok
22:59<me_>the problem isn't your computer... its flash
23:01<me_>i was having all kinds of buggy behavior on a laptop... after blowing away the flash related software all the buggyness went away...
23:01<me_>if "buggyness" is a word...
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23:02<arcmaj3>hmm, on the laptop flash seems to be working fine... even without using flash at all though, the load average will shoot to 25 or 50 within a couple hours of starting it
23:02<_v_>it's $TODAY, everything is a word!
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23:04<arcmaj3>thanks for the thoughts :)
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23:07<me_>arcmaj: have you seen this ? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-without-flash/?src=search
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23:14<plutomix>test
23:14<plutomix>someone ?
23:15<plutomix>quelqu'un recoit ?
23:15<sney>!test
23:15<dpkg>Test failed.
23:15<plutomix>ok ,fine
23:16<plutomix>what is the best client irc for ....debian community ,please ?
23:17<plutomix>i just want help the debian community only
23:17<sney>there is no such thing. use what you are comfortable with. xchat, irssi, weechat, etc all popular
23:17<sney>!popcon
23:17<dpkg>well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package
23:18<me_>i'm using xchat... pretty simple to use...
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23:20<plutomix>xmusi is ok ?
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23:21<plutomix>smuxi is ok ?
23:21<abrotman>try it and see
23:22<plutomix>i try linux ,putin fais chier ,je sais pas bien parler anglais ,mais je veux aider la communauté FSF ,comment ? et a qvec qui dois-je converser en francais ?
23:23<dvs>!fr
23:23<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
23:23<me_>voila
23:23<plutomix>thanks dpkg
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23:29<plutomix>so ,nobody in the frenc channel
23:29<plutomix>question
23:29<sney>try on freenode
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23:29<plutomix>how to check the popcon ?
23:30<plutomix>if is it possible
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23:30<sney>,popcon smuxi
23:30<judd>Popcon data for smuxi: inst: 163, vote: 0, old: 0, recent: 0, nofiles: 163
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23:30<sney>or /msg judd popcon smuxi
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23:33<plutomix>where are the result of popcon contest ?
23:33<SamB>,checkbackport emacs
23:33<SamB>,checkbackport emacs24
23:33<SamB>!popcon
23:33<dpkg>methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package
23:33<SamB>plutomix: see there
23:33<judd>Backporting package emacs in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy, virtual.
23:33<judd>Backporting package emacs24 in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy, virtual.
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23:34<plutomix>...slowly ,my mind is busy
23:34<abrotman>SamB: he was alreayd told about it ...
23:34<abrotman>dpkg: tell SamB about msg the bot
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23:35<SamB>abrotman: about the checkbackport thing? I was just trying to check if it was really doing per-channel defaults ...
23:35<abrotman>right ..
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23:37<donj>is crouton capable of connecting to a windows client without any required installs?
23:37<plutomix>fine ,i'm read the list
23:37<plutomix>thank to you
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23:38<SamB>donj: connecting *to* a client? what?
23:38<SamB>I thought clients connect to servers!
23:39<greenbagels>Crap.
23:39<greenbagels>Deleted my Debian partitions and now I can't boot to Windows
23:40<SamB>you forgot to follow the instructions on the KB didn't you?
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23:40<sney>gotta delete the mbr too, greenbagels
23:41<greenbagels>Can I do that from the install CD?
23:41<SamB>um, I don't think "delete" is what we want here
23:41<greenbagels>More like fix
23:42<sney>windows doesn't use the mbr for booting. wiping out the mbr is generally the solution to return your access to windows. or try installing debian again and let grub do its job
23:43<greenbagels>GRUB was the issue I had
23:44<sney>I thought you had a network problem.
23:44<greenbagels>With the 7.3.0 netinstall image
23:44<greenbagels>Now I'm using the 7.2.0 DVDs I have
23:45<sney>is that an efi motherboard?
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23:48<greenbagels>UEFI
23:48<sney>nod. they can be a nuisance.
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23:51<SamB>anyway, you should be careful to find out where the bootloader is stored *before* deleting partitions in the future ...
23:52<greenbagels>Can I fix it?
23:52<greenbagels>I'm reinstalling debian
23:52<SamB>that should be sufficient, yes
23:53<greenbagels>With everything how it was before?
23:53<greenbagels>I had the efi on the same drive as windows before but now I put it on the same drive as the root directory
23:54<greenbagels>On a second drive
23:54<SamB>hmm, I don't know if that will leave able to boot Windows or not
23:54<SamB>I don't know much about EFI
23:54<greenbagels>Can't I still add a grub entry for windows
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23:55<SamB>well, I also don't really know anything about chainloading Windows on EFI
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