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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-01-26

---Logopened Sun Jan 26 00:00:47 2014
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00:03<greenbagels>I'm so confused now
00:03<Pillan>what?
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00:04<greenbagels>I messed up some boot stuff
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00:04<greenbagels>And now I can't boot back into windows
00:04<Pillan>ups
00:04<SamB>greenbagels: well, if you install Debian like you had it before you should at least be able to boot into Windows again ...
00:05<SamB>greenbagels: also, I suspect Microsoft has something on the knowledge base about how to re-install the bootloader ...
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00:07<Pillan>greenbagels you can still install other distros like debian as good but a little more friendly to install and use such lubuntu (ubuntu with a derivation similar to windows xp desktop)
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00:08<hme>hello
00:09<Pillan>Hi
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00:10<hme>I have been trying to ./configure some good respectable code, it is looking for a "Posix.h", and cannot finds such a thing. Long in the past, 2007 to be exact, was the last this code was compiled on debian. Debian 5.0? Where is this Posix.h from? How can I give this good respectable code and its configure file that which it desires? I do not wish to leave it out in the cold.
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00:11<hme>I have allready given it python 2.4 (before the break-compatability change), it's happy, except for this one component. Posix.h
00:11<hme>What and where and from what does Posix.h hail?
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00:13<hme>can you help me?
00:13<greenbagels>Pillan, it's more this EFI business that's causing trouble
00:15<SamB>hme: maybe you can find something by adding the appropriate dated snapshot from snapshot.debian.org to your sources.list and using apt-file ?
00:15<SamB>I'm not positive you can do that with those snapshots though ...
00:16<hme>so you can't or won't help me
00:16<hme>ok
00:16<hme>thanks
00:16<hme>good by
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00:19<hme>wow apt-file takes forever to install
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00:40<_v_>hme: perhaps check packages.debian.org for anything the contains Posix.h ?
00:40<_v_>hme: or perhaps try "apt-file search Posix.h" ?
00:47<houms>is there a way to set hw clock without booting into bios?
00:48<houms>i have remote system that hwclock shows localtime. I would prefer to change it to UTC and set the time off that
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00:48<_v_>houms: doesn't hwclock have a --set or something like --sys-to-hw ?
00:48<houms>i think its hwclock --systohc --utc?
00:49<houms>let me try
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00:49<houms>yeah that seems to have done it
00:50<_v_>yay!
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00:55<stderr>manpages are great...
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01:16<greenbagels>I think just having Debian boot from HDD and windows from ssd would help for now
01:16<greenbagels>Once I get used to Linux I'll start messing with grub
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01:58<ddel>Help with display flicker on Xwindows
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02:08<ddel>Help with display flicker on Xwindows
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03:15<yas>any one help me ssh connection I am unable to connect to remote system.
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03:40<stderr>yas: Is ssh running on the remote system? What's the error message? Can others connect? Are you using the right hostname/IP and port?
03:40<stderr>In short: More info needed...
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04:20<yas>stderr, thanks for looking my msg. Now its started working.
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04:40<yol4o>hi
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04:40<knives47z>how do I append the contents of a single file to a series of other files? cat <testfile0.txt > testfile{1..9} isn't working, "ambiguous redirect" error
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04:45<stderr>knives47z: tee -a testfile{1..9} < testfile0.txt >/dev/null
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04:47<stderr>knives47z: You got another problem in the command you were trying to use. ">" doesn't append, it overwrites. ">>" appends.
04:48<sreyan32>I am trying to install grub-efi-amd64. Where is the location of grubx64.efi ?
04:48<sreyan32>Do I run grub-mkconfig after or before grub-install ?
04:49<babilen>sreyan32: You should typically use "update-grub2" rather than to call grub-mkconfig directly
04:50<sreyan32>babilen: will that give the grubx64.efi file ?
04:50<stderr>As far as I can tell grubx64.efi doesn't exist.
04:50<babilen>sreyan32: What are you trying to do exactly, what have you done, what happened (show us on http://paste.debian.net ) and what did you expect to happen instead?
04:51<sreyan32>stderr: Then what do I copy into /boot/efi/EFI/boot directory.
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04:52<sreyan32>stderr: As far as I know you have to copy in a .efi file into your EFI partition for letting GRUB boot.
04:52<stderr>I would expect update-grub2 to do what needs to be done.
04:52<babilen>sreyan32: The way to install grub that is most frequently done is to run "update-grub2" and to execute "grub-install /dev/sdX" afterwards.
04:53*babilen waits for answers to his questions
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04:53<sreyan32>babilen: I need to reboot my machine and run my commands. Please stay online.
04:53<babilen>always - not always active, but still
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04:54<sreyan32>babilen: Just stay online for 15-20 mins.
04:54<knives47z>stderr what does the >/dev/null part of the command do?
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04:55<stderr>knives47z: Redirects the output of tee to /dev/null so you won't see it. You can remove it, if you want to see what's being added to the files.
04:56<knives47z>stderr: riiight, tee also outputs to stdout, i forgot that bit. thanks!
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04:57<stderr>Remember the -a, if you want to append.
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05:09<sreyan32>I cannot run "update-grub2" on my Debian system. Thus I cannot install grub-efi-amd64 properly.
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05:09<babilen>sreyan32: Why is that?
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05:10<sreyan32>babilen: Check the following. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6819326/
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05:11<babilen>sreyan32: Are you sure that that is your Debian system?
05:11<sreyan32>babilen: Yeah I have chroot into it using a Ubuntu Live USB.
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05:11<babilen>dpkg: tell sreyan32 -about fixmbr
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05:11<babilen>sreyan32: Did you chroot like that?
05:12<babilen>And then it seems to have found a squeeze kernel.
05:12<sreyan32>babilen: Yes. You told me to do that eariler. Yes I am running squeeze
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05:13<sreyan32>babilen: After I get Debian up and running I want to upgrade to Wheezy.
05:13<sreyan32>babilen: What does the error message mean ?
05:13<babilen>You should upgrade to wheeze soon as squeeze is only supported until May -- Regardless of that: Did you tinker with /boot or /boot/grub ?
05:13<knives47z>wow you really have to be careful with these commands. just ran tee -a testfile{1..9}.txt <testfile1.txt and got stuck in a neverending write loop
05:14<babilen>knives47z: Well ....
05:14<babilen>.oO( Let's see what happens if I write to the file I am reading from ? )
05:14<sreyan32>babilen: /boot/grub is okay. What do I need to do ? What does it mean no device found ?
05:15<babilen>sreyan32: IIRC the video.lst file is generated by grub-install, complete the whole procedure and maybe repeat update-grub2
05:15<babilen>sreyan32: I wouldn't worry too much about it. Did you chroot *exactly* like in the factoid? (i.e. did you mount /dev, /proc and so on into the chroot?
05:15<knives47z>lol, was not intended that way. the file I was trying to read from had 0 on the end, instead I wrote a 1. and then the rest is history
05:16<sreyan32>babilen: What do you mean by IIRC the video.lst file ?? Do you want me to send the file to you ?
05:16<sreyan32>babilen: yeah I did it like in the factoid.
05:17<babilen>sreyan32: No, I don't. I want you to complete the *entire* procedure of installing grub (and to maybe repeat update-grub2) and to make sure that you mount everything you need into the chroot
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05:17<sreyan32>babilen: Which entire procedure are you referring to ? The one given in the factoid ?
05:20<sreyan32>babilen: Do you want me to give the "entire" process of chrooting, and installing grub ?
05:20<babilen>sreyan32: I want you to at least run "grub-install /dev/sdX" ... feel free to run "update-grub2" again after you've done that
05:21<sreyan32>babilen: okay I will do just that. Please stay online.
05:21<babilen>sreyan32: I'll head out soon
05:22<sreyan32>babilen: When will you be back here ?
05:22<babilen>sreyan32: No idea, but there are plenty of other people. It might even "just work" once you've completed it?!
05:23<sreyan32>babilen: I wish I shared your optimism.
05:23<babilen>You should, it makes for days of bliss :D
05:23<sreyan32>babilen: Do I have to execute "modprobe efivars" before running efivars ?
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05:24<sreyan32>babilen: Because "modprobe efivars" fails when I chroot into my Debian system.
05:24<babilen>What do you mean by "running efivars" ?
05:25<babilen>sreyan32: Well, you cannot modprobe things from the chroot into the host kernel ... why don't you just try the procedure now? You can be done withing one or two minutes!
05:25<sreyan32>babilen: Okay. Wish me Luck.
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05:26<vishnu>How to install slim on my debian 7.2 gnome
05:27<babilen>vishnu: I wouldn't necessarily recommend using slim as it doesn't work very well with "modern" technologies such as logind, consolekit, dbus and whatnot (or at least used to) -- I'd recommend to simply use gdm3 or lightdm if you want a "slimmer" alternative.
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05:27<babilen>But you should be able to install it with "apt-get install slim" just fine
05:28<vishnu>But when i logout it is not changing
05:28<babilen>changing what?
05:29<vishnu>gdm
05:29<babilen>Did you select slim as the default DM ?
05:29<vishnu>yes
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05:30<vishnu>Or can we change the gdm theme
05:30<babilen>vishnu: What does "cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager" give you? Did you stop gdm3 and started slim?
05:30<qwe>is there a torrent for Jessie cd image?
05:30<babilen>vishnu: But then I still wouldn't recommend to use slim
05:30<babilen>qwe: You shouldn't even use those images, but I am not sure if there are torrents ...
05:31<babilen>dpkg: tell qwe -about testing installer
05:31<vishnu>/usr/bin/slim
05:31<babilen>qwe: You can use the stable installer to install testing, but then the recommended way is to install a minimal wheezy system (only standard task?) and to upgrade from that.
05:31<vishnu>How to change GDM theme
05:31<babilen>vishnu: So, stop gdm3 and start slim.
05:32<vishnu>HOw to do it
05:32<babilen>vishnu: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+change+gdm3+theme+debian
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05:34<vishnu>I have tried editing /etc/gdm3/greeter-setting
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05:37<qwe>I already have jessie install with xfce but I want to check out kde now. Do you rec doing a fresh install with a wheezy kde image and then upgrading back to jessie or installing kde on my current install?
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05:44<Volley>qwe: you can install all the desktop environments together, you will only end up with more apps in your startmenues than you would if you had only installed one
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05:45<qwe>I remeber having to install some display manager for xfce, will it collide with kdes dm?
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05:47<qwe>nvm I'll find out lol thanks o7
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05:58<sreyan32>I have installed grub-efi-amd64 but cannot find the file grubx64.efi.
05:58<sreyan32>Where is it located or do I have to generate it via grub-mkconfig ?
06:00<pmart>can I invite dpkg bot to my channel?
06:00<sreyan32>update-grub2 also fails as ls: No CDROM found
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06:01<sreyan32>What does update-grub2 generate ? Does it generate only the grub.cfg or does it also generate device.map ?
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06:11<stderr>sreyan32: Did you follow the guide in the factoid?
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06:16<aslayheu>?
06:17<stderr>!
06:17<aslayheu>where i am?
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06:17<stderr>#debian
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06:19<sreyan32>stderr: Yup I did. It did'nt work.
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06:21<stderr>Where did it fail? Did you get an error message?
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06:24<aslayheu>:?
06:24<stderr>aslayheu: Do you have a Debian question?
06:25<aslayheu>i am looking for indonesian channel ?
06:26<sreyan32>stderr: Failed While I tried running "update-grub2"
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06:26<stderr>aslayheu: An Indonesian Debian channel?
06:26<sreyan32>Can you tell me the correct syntax for grub-mkimage ?
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06:27<stderr>I'm sure the man or info page can tell you.
06:28<stderr>How do you know it failed?
06:29<sreyan32>stderr: Actually it did'nt fail per se. If you could give me 2 mins I can get you the error message.
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06:31<vishnu>How to install gdm theme in debain
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06:33<vishnu>How to install gdm theme in debain
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06:35<km4r>vishnu: I don't use gdm, but the gdm-themes package description says "To select them, use the gdmsetup software."
06:35<vishnu>Which does you use
06:36<km4r>vishnu: lightdm
06:36<vishnu>which greeter
06:37<km4r>vibora: lightdm's default
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06:42<aslayheu>debian??
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07:03<sreyan32>update-grub2 failed. Have a look at this please. http://paste.ubuntu.com/
07:03<sreyan32>indeed my root linux partition has nothing called a cdrom directory.
07:04<sreyan32>srry look at this http://paste.ubuntu.com/6819816/
07:04<sreyan32>my bad.
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07:04<sreyan32>stderr: I have the error which I was talking about earlier.
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07:05<sreyan32>isn't dpkg a bot ? how can it quit ?
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07:07<sreyan32>update-grub2 failed have a look at this. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6819816/
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07:08<sreyan32>babilen: Are you there ? Or did you head out ?
07:08<SynrG>sreyan32: it can, and does. bots are just irc clients with a program contolling them, nothing more. so they behave the same way with respect to connects/disconnects as people (from a technical POV)
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07:09<SynrG>this is not the same as services, which have a different role in the network and require support at the server level auiu
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07:09<sreyan32>SynrG: Thanks for the info.
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07:10<sreyan32>Hey how come there are so many people in this channel and no one replies to queries on time ? I mean are most of them bots ?
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07:12<Volley>sreyan32: because the default behaviour for humans in this channel is not to reply to queries they have no answer for. or are badly stated queries ...
07:12<Volley>also benchmarks show that humans process queries not as fast as bots
07:13<SynrG>sreyan32: also at a given time, the number of eyeballs actually on this channel will always be a small fraction of the inhabitants
07:13<SynrG>it's unreasonable to expect everyone's eyeballs to be glued to the channel 24/7
07:13<stderr>sreyan32: Some people thinks it's annoying when you ask them to give you 2 minutes and then don't show up for half an hour.
07:13<sreyan32>Volley: Would mailing lists be a better idea ? Is there anyway to contact grub developers for debian. I am having major boot problems.
07:13<SynrG>even though many of the users here are on 24/7
07:13<abrotman>Is it? :)
07:13<SynrG>abrotman: yes, it is. :p
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07:14<abrotman>sreyan32: How does a mailing list seem more "instant" than IRC?
07:14<sreyan32>stderr: I had trouble booting back to Windows. I am sorry for the inconvience.
07:14*abrotman wonders what nick sreyan32 was using before
07:15<sreyan32>stderr: Had to repair windows bootloader to come back to windows.
07:15<Volley>sreyan32: well, your grub problem feels a bit weird, and has a slight off-topic touch ... ( not sure if it is, but it looks like :)
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07:15<SynrG>root@ubuntu:/# update-grub2
07:15<stderr>abrotman: The same.
07:15<SynrG>so ... doing this from a chroot? live image?
07:15*abrotman thought someone last night had erased Debian and was unable to boot into Windows, with a different UID
07:15<sreyan32>SynrG: Yup a ubuntu live image. Chrooting into my Debian system.
07:15<SynrG>also:
07:15<SynrG>Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64
07:15<SynrG>ancient kernel?
07:16<SynrG>that's from squeeze.
07:16<stderr>squeeze...
07:16<sreyan32>SynrG: Squeeze.
07:16<SynrG>which very soon is no longer supported.
07:16<SynrG>any particular reason you have squeeze still installed?
07:17<sreyan32>stderr: After I get squeeze running I am going to update to wheezy.
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07:17<SynrG>how did it get in this state? you just said 'update-grub2 failed' with no explanation of what you're trying to do
07:17<SynrG>sreyan32: wait, this is a *fresh* install of squeeze?
07:17<SynrG>it gets stranger and stranger.
07:17*abrotman would use another word ..
07:17<sreyan32>SynrG: The reason I have squeeze because I downloaded those images way back.
07:18<ompaul>!sunday
07:18<dpkg>Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
07:18<sreyan32>SynrG: did you check my paste ?
07:18<SynrG>yes. and ... i will not support you. install wheezy, please.
07:18<stderr>Sorry, dpkg, but I think that's too late...
07:18<SynrG>there's no reason to install squeeze.
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07:18<ompaul>stderr: have the funs :)
07:18<sreyan32>SynrG: Fresh install with no bootloader.
07:18*SynrG returns to enjoying coffee.
07:19<ompaul>sreyan32: you install wheezy is solves problem people go back to sleep
07:19<ompaul>s/is/it/g
07:19<sreyan32>SynrG: Thats why I need to install grub seperately.
07:19<ompaul>sreyan32: you have been told more than once, install wheezy
07:20<ompaul>and install a boot loader this time ...
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07:20<sreyan32>ompaul: Is there a way to ask Debian developers about problems that I might be facing. I mean it seems there is no way to contact developers for support info
07:21<SynrG>sreyan32: i am a debian developer. i have no sympathy for you. install wheezy, please.
07:21<sreyan32>SynrG: Ouch !! That hurt !!
07:21<abrotman>Ther eis a reason Wheezy is "stable"
07:21<SynrG>sorry, youv'e been told repeatedly, and kindly, to do the right thing
07:21<SynrG>it's time to get tough
07:21<nocturnal>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volunteering "Volunteering is generally considered an altruistic activity and is intended to promote goodness or improve human quality of life. "
07:22<ompaul>not to have it thrown in your face by an awkward person who thinks the world revolves around the problem they created when they are given a logical way forward
07:23<ompaul>it is sunday
07:23*ompaul returns to his cave
07:23<sreyan32>ompaul: The only reason I wanted to try this is because I have always heard that Debian or linux was a versatile OS and you could customize it anyway you wanted.
07:23<Volley>actually i wanted to talk about my experiments with libpam-mount + libpam-ssh ... but ... considering it's sunday .. :)
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07:24<stderr>sreyan32: You can. Now go install wheezy.
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07:24<sreyan32>But anyways thanks for you advice.
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07:25<sreyan32>stderr: Exactly. So I should have been able to install Squeeze and then upgrade to Wheezy. Anyways sorry for the fuss.
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07:26<SynrG>sreyan32: have you heard also that each release often fixes bugs of the previous one?
07:26<_spOOn_>sreyan32: both SynrG and stderr have recommended installing wheezy
07:26<SynrG>sreyan32: no release is 100% perfect. install wheezy and we can solve *current* problems. not ancient ones.
07:26<_spOOn_>sreyan32: do you have a legitimate reason for not doing that?
07:26<_spOOn_>sreyan32: like bandwidth constraints or something?
07:26<wardhan>hi all, i am trying to download linux headers from experimental & it complains about non-existent kbuild package. is it absolutely necessary to install kbuild for linux headers ? pls advice
07:26<SynrG>sreyan32: in a perfect world with perfect releases, every install would go perfectly 100% of the time ...
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07:27<sreyan32>_spOOn: Yup bandwidth constraints. I will have to download Wheezy again while I have Squeeze
07:27<SynrG>sreyan32: you've hit a snag. install wheezy and you can have help here solving problems we actually *remember* and people are *actively* working on fixing.
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07:27<stderr>SynrG: A perfect world wouldn't have releases... One would be enough.
07:27<SynrG>sreyan32: you don't need to download the whole thing. use netinst.
07:27<SynrG>stderr: that, too :)
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07:27<Volley>sreyan32: using netinst you download as much as if you would update
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07:28<sreyan32>SynrG: I can't use netinst since I use a dialer to connect to my ISP
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07:28<Volley>wardhan: yes you need it, yes, that happens that kbuild doesn't hit experimental the same time as the kernel, and i remember there was a debian wiki page about how to handle that
07:28<sreyan32>Synrg: Do you see my problem ?
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07:28<ompaul>it is sunday
07:28<sreyan32>stderr: How long before Whezzy is obsolete ?
07:29<SynrG>sreyan32: you can still use netinst.
07:29<_spOOn_>netinst supports ppp
07:29<_spOOn_>sadly, I've had to use it (once) as well
07:29<SynrG>sreyan32: my recommendation, use netinst, deselect the desktop task, install a base system + standard. this gets you to a point where you can verify everything is ok with multiboot.
07:30<SynrG>take care of installing the desktop after.
07:30<sreyan32>_spOOn_: Please explain. How do I connect to the net with netinst ???
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07:30<_spOOn_>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q:_How_do_I_use_netinst_over_PPP.3F
07:31<sreyan32>SynrG: Yeah but how will I connect to the Internet without a desktop environment ?
07:31<SynrG>... ?
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07:32<sreyan32>SynrG: I have to use a dialer software to connect to my internet. How do I use such a software that is GUI based on netinst ?
07:32<stderr>sreyan32: You configure ppp correctly.
07:32<SynrG>sreyan32: see the link you were already given
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07:32<_spOOn_>sreyan32: personally, i used wvdial
07:33<SynrG>sreyan32: it has been many years since i did it, but i never needed a desktop for ppp. and yes, wvdial is really nice.
07:33<stderr>_spOOn_: Did you read the answer on that page?
07:34<SynrG>however, apparently d-i uses pppconfig to set up your connection.
07:34<_spOOn_>stderr: sadly, yes i did just read it
07:34<SynrG>if you just read and do what it says, things will be fine.
07:34<_spOOn_>somewhat lacking
07:34<_spOOn_>:)
07:34<sreyan32>_spoOOn_: Can you help me if I have problems while connecting to my Internet ? Or will that be also a bug that won't be fixed ?
07:34<_spOOn_>but google is your friend
07:35<wardhan>volley: yep, i headed to debian wiki, it contains sh file to build kbuild. perhaps, i should file a wishlist bug for kbuild. thank you.
07:35<_spOOn_>sreyan32: im happy to help where I can, as are most others in this room
07:35<sreyan32>_spOOn_: Did'nt really help me with the boot problem so I am not having a lot of faith for this one.
07:36<sreyan32>_spOOn_: But thanks for the recommendation.
07:36<_spOOn_>sreyan32: im sorry you feel that way, but dont give up
07:36<SynrG>sreyan32: speaking for myself, daily i handle dozens of issues. many of them harder than yours. however, the people who get the best help are the people who actually listen and do what the helpers recommend.
07:36<SynrG>sreyan32: so if you show yourself to be a bit more tractable than you have so far, yes, you will get help if you encounter problems installing wheezy.
07:37<_spOOn_>sreyan32: i think part of the problem has been that nobody understood that you were on dialup
07:37<_spOOn_>hard to believe that people still have to use that these days :)
07:37<SynrG>yes. it's vitally important you start with "this is what i'm trying to do and why" and not with the presenting symptom.
07:37<SynrG>that frames the entire discussion.
07:38<sreyan32>SynrG: Okay. I guess I have to get netinst Wheezy now. Thanks for all your support.
07:38<SynrG>no problem. and good luck
07:38<sreyan32>_spOOn_: Yup on a dialup. :-)
07:38<_spOOn_>sreyan32: remember to use a mirror close to you
07:38<_spOOn_>hopefully your isp has one
07:38<_spOOn_>otherwise netinst is going to take *a while*
07:38<_spOOn_>:)
07:38<sreyan32>_spOOn_: Hopefully !
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07:39<stderr>Booting from a live-CD, configuring ppp, creating a chroot and then do a dist-upgrade might be possible, right?
07:39<SynrG>sreyan32: just a little postscript: when i was in your situation, aeons ago, i decided to not do installs that way ... instead, i used an inexpensive debian CD mastering vendor
07:39<SynrG>it made life much easire.
07:39<SynrG>easier*
07:39<_spOOn_>SynrG: seconded
07:39<sreyan32>SynrG: You mean you bought the debian disks right ?
07:39<SynrG>but i do mean *aeons*. this was debian 1.2 or so
07:40<SynrG>yes for about 5 bucks
07:40<SynrG>Cheapbytes, iirc. i don't know if they're still in business :)
07:40<_spOOn_>+ that way you'll get a whole set of cds
07:40<sreyan32>SynrG: I am from India, so buying Linux is not really popular here.
07:41<SynrG>i see.
07:41<sreyan32>SynrG: Very few people even use it.
07:41<_spOOn_>sreyan32:
07:41<_spOOn_>http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/
07:41<stderr>_spOOn_: You really think the distance to the mirror will matter much? I would expect the dial-up connection to be the bottleneck no matter which mirror is used.
07:41<SynrG>and there were deals like this back then: https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/1997/msg00022.html
07:41<_spOOn_>lists four vendors in india
07:41<sreyan32>But thank you everyone. really. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
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07:42<SynrG>sreyan32: 1997 would've been about the last time i had to do what you're doing, though :p
07:42<_spOOn_>SynrG: in my experience, every kb helps when you're doing the install over a 4-6kb link :(
07:43<sreyan32>SynrG: Hey How long is it before wheezy is outdated ?
07:43<SynrG>sreyan32: 3 years-ish?
07:43<stderr>Jessie isn't even in freeze yet...
07:44<SynrG>it's not exact
07:44<SynrG>sreyan32: however, when jessie releases, people will be strongly encouraged to update
07:44<sreyan32>stderr: What do you mean by "in freeze yet" ?
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07:44<SynrG>sreyan32: and support for oldstable (which will be wheezy at that time) will diminish over that period
07:45<sreyan32>SynrG: just like Squeeze now.
07:45<SynrG>yes.
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07:45<SynrG>3 is probably an overestimate. let's say 2
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07:47<sreyan32>SynrG: Hey will downloading the 1st Cd image of Debian give a Debian with a Desktop Environment ?
07:48<nadir>yes. And it should be gnome (kde or lxde/xfce-duo are at the bottom of the download page). Assuming nothing has changed
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07:48<SynrG>sreyan32: yes.
07:49<SynrG>this is in the CD faq here: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq
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07:50<SynrG>hmm, only it doesn't use the word 'desktop'. that's odd
07:50<SynrG>http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#which-cd
07:51<SynrG>sreyan32: if using CDs it does recommend "the first two CDs"
07:51<SynrG>however, you can install most of what you need just from the first one
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07:51<SynrG>if so, you end up with a fairly bare desktop
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07:52<SynrG>sreyan32: depending on your hardware, you may be interested in some of the other desktop flavors.
07:52<SynrG>sreyan32: what kind of processor? how much ram? how good a graphics chipset? is it capable of 3d acceleration?
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07:53<sreyan32>syrnG: intel i3, 8gb DDr3, nvidia 650 gtx. and two hard disks 160 GB and 1 Tb sata.
07:53<SynrG>sreyan32: that's more than enough to handle gnome3 or kde
07:54<_spOOn_>lolol, all that sitting behind dialup.... :)
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07:56<sreyan32>_spOOn_: I might be upgrading to a respectable broadband connection. Thats why i asked whether I can download the first image only .
07:57<abrotman>seriously ...
07:57<nadir>If it was me i would either use an internet caffee or a friends connection to download DVD's _or_ buy the DVD isos for a few $. And use them in /etc/apt/sources.list, not internet repos.
07:58<nadir>well: i would rather upgrade the connection, of course ...
07:58<_spOOn_>sreyan32: as SynrG said, the first cd will certainly get you enough to get up and going
07:58<_spOOn_>from there you can simply download what you want
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07:58<sreyan32>SynrG: Also one more thing. What do I if my Ethernet card is not recognized by Debian ? ie the driver is not present or something ?
07:59<_spOOn_>sreyan32: unlikely, but what sort of card is it?
07:59<sreyan32>Atheros.
07:59<SynrG>that should be fine.
07:59<abrotman>Ethernet?
07:59<SynrG>do you have wifi too?
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08:00<_spOOn_>arent they wifi?
08:00<sreyan32>No wifi
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08:00<_spOOn_>oh okies...
08:00<SynrG>_spOOn_: no
08:00<sreyan32>I might get ethernet.
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08:00<SynrG>_spOOn_: atheros makes both
08:00<_spOOn_>didnt know they made LAN
08:00<SynrG>nobody talks much about ethernet from atheros because it "just works"
08:01<abrotman>I thought they'd stopped :)
08:01<sreyan32>SynrG: Let me tell you while installing Squeeze my Ethernet card was'nt recognized by the Debian installer
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08:01<SynrG>sreyan32: not a shocker. too old a release
08:01<_spOOn_>sreyan32: can you tell us exactly what model?
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08:01<SynrG>sreyan32: lspci -nn | grep -i ethernet
08:01<NRKA_>slow terminal print out but when connected to the same machine with ssh the output is fast
08:02<NRKA_>where do i start to look?
08:02<SynrG>sreyan32: we're interested in the numbers in square brackets at the end, e.g. [1969:1062]
08:03<_spOOn_>SynrG: must have missed the fact that hes in some form of linux already :)
08:03<sreyan32>I am on windows now to do that I will again have to boot into Linux and copy that info
08:03<_spOOn_>thought he was stuck in windows
08:03<SynrG>_spOOn_: live image
08:03<_spOOn_>kk
08:03<_spOOn_>device manager
08:03<sreyan32>I am on windows 8.1
08:03<_spOOn_>oh ffs
08:03<sreyan32>hmm device manager then ?
08:03<_spOOn_>you're on your own
08:03<SynrG>08:15 < sreyan32> SynrG: Yup a ubuntu live image. Chrooting into my Debian system.
08:03<abrotman>Rube? Are you playing with us?!
08:04<_spOOn_>sreyan32: either way, maybe boot back off the live cd, then use the command SynrG provided (lspci -nn | grep -i ethernet), then use google :)
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08:05<SynrG>don't need google.
08:05<SynrG>,pciid 08:15 < sreyan32> SynrG: Yup a ubuntu live image. Chrooting into my Debian system.
08:05<judd>(pciid <pciid> [--release <release name>]) -- Output the name of the device and matching kernel module if known, optionally restricted to the specified release. The pciid should be of the form 0000:0000. [ and ] are permitted around the pciid, but Supybot will try to act on those as nested commands unless they are enclosed in double quotes, e.g "[0000:0000]".
08:05<SynrG>argh, sorry.
08:05<SynrG>wrong paste buffer
08:05<SynrG>,pciid [1969:1062]
08:05<judd>[1969:1062] is 'AR8132 Fast Ethernet' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with kernel module 'atl1c' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1062
08:05<SynrG>for example :)
08:06<SynrG>much faster than randomly googling for it :p
08:06<kardan>you know of any firefox plugin, that prints "LISTEN PORT: 39041" on startup? I just installed HTTP Nowhere 2.1.0. Could this be related?
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08:07<_spOOn_>SynrG: nice one :)
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08:07<sreyan32>SynrG: Yeah I did chroot into my Debian but then how would i used my iRC then ?
08:08<SynrG>sreyan32: the live ubuntu image surely has setup for ppp? you don't need to use debian to do that command.
08:08<_spOOn_>sreyan32: use wvdial and create a ppp (dialup) connection
08:08<_spOOn_>:)
08:08<sreyan32>judd: is AR8161 supported ?
08:08<SynrG>sreyan32: no. judd bot needs the pciid
08:09<SynrG>even within the same model#, there can be different pciid's, some supported better than others.
08:09<SynrG>the pciid tells you definitively what hardware you have.
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08:10<sreyan32>SynrG: According to my gigabyte specification Qualcomm AR8161 is what I have on boards
08:10<sreyan32>SynrG: is there anyway of getting the pciid on Windows ?
08:11<SynrG>ask ##windows @ irc.freenode.net? otherwise, i don't know ... maybe buried down in Device Manager somewhere. it looks like 8 hexadecimal digits with a colon between two groups of 4.
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08:11<_spOOn_>looks like 1969:1091 is pretty standard for that card
08:12<SynrG>,pciid [1969:1091]
08:12<judd>[1969:1091] is 'AR8161 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with kernel module 'alx' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1091
08:12<SynrG>sreyan32: so yes, it should be fine.
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08:13<sreyan32>SynrG: okay then Wheezy it is then. Also I need to dual boot with Windows and Linux. I hope there won't be any problem with that right ?
08:14<SynrG>ah, hmm. i'm not sure. just check that URL ...
08:14<sreyan32>SynrG: The "alx" driver was not recognized on Squeeze install
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08:15<SynrG>sreyan32: just a sec. that output from judd is confusing.
08:16<SynrG>first it says 'alx' in wheezy supports it. then it links to a page that does not show support :p
08:16<SynrG>/lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/alx/alx.ko
08:16<sreyan32>SyrnG: "alx" was not supported during squeeze install
08:16<SynrG>looks like it's there.
08:16<SynrG>(that's on a wheezy system i have)
08:16<kardan>I never saw that output before and am worried that this is something I should be worried about: https://paste.debian.net/78426/ Please have a look and tell me, how this looks like for you.
08:17<_spOOn_>sreyan32: even if its not supported during install, its not like you're going to be installing via ethernet anyways are you?
08:18<sreyan32>no. but when i need ethernet later i will be in a fix.
08:18<SynrG>gsimmons: help interpret what the driver check site returns? "Works?", "Driver", and "Kernel" columns are all blank.
08:18<_spOOn_>sreyan32: once you have the install done, you can build the driver/install the firmware
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08:19<_spOOn_>sreyan32: but like SynrG says, it looks like the driver is there
08:19<sreyan32>_spOOn_: Hopefully !!
08:20<SynrG>ah. there *was* a problem, but looks like it is fixed:
08:20<SynrG>#699129
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08:20<_spOOn_>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=699129
08:20<_spOOn_>LOL, snap
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08:21<sreyan32>SynrG: Okay then that settles it. I am installing Wheezy.
08:22<_spOOn_>sreyan32: glad to hear it, and good luck
08:22<SynrG>Debian 7.3 was released December 14th, 2013. this bug was fixed Feb 29, 2013.
08:23*kardan found the plugin convergence@extension.thoughtcrime.org to be guilty.
08:24<SynrG>kardan: ah. what was that output from anyway? iceweasel on wheezy?
08:24<kardan>yes
08:24<sreyan32>_spOOn: But i will bother you people again if I dont get my system up and running.
08:24<SynrG>kardan: and yes, step one is "start in safe mode" :)
08:25<SynrG>(for all troubleshooting of things with extensions)
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08:25<SynrG>especially if *third party* extensions
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08:26<kardan>ok, in --safe-mode it is just quiet.
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08:28<kardan>Now I need to found out if I want to trust Moxie's code.
08:28<kardan>if anybody is interested to help with reviewing: http://convergence.io/
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08:29<kardan>it claims to be "An agile, distributed, and secure strategy for replacing Certificate Authorities"
08:29<kardan>maybe it is just a clever strategy to distribute a trojan coated as browser plugin :)
08:30<planetmaker>it might even do what it says. Authorizing evil hackorz "CA" ;)
08:30<oldlaptop>sreyan32: Personally I would strongly suggest you try and get a full DVD set if you're on a 56k modem for Internet access
08:31<oldlaptop>even the *base* system (i.e. no GUI - what you get on a netinst disk) is about 150MB to download
08:31<oldlaptop>a full GUI environment will be at least several hundred more MB on top of that
08:31<_spOOn_>sreyan32: yes, i'd also suggest that, and perhaps check out the link i provided with the cd vendors in india
08:32<_spOOn_>oldlaptop: not entirely correct
08:32<_spOOn_>fluxbox + slim + xorg can be pretty light
08:33<planetmaker>my last apt-get update on sid was 1.500 MByte ;)
08:33<planetmaker>*upgrade
08:33<SynrG>kardan: maybe ... where/when/why did you get this plugin?
08:33<SynrG>kardan: is this your own system or someone else's?
08:33<oldlaptop>(not about to recommend fluxbox/etc to a windows refugee)
08:33<oldlaptop>but anyhow, if you get the full DVD set you'll have a complete copy of wheezy repos
08:34<oldlaptop>for main, anyhow
08:34<oldlaptop>which can still be used as a primary source for apt, IIRC
08:34<_spOOn_>oldlaptop: i understand your point, but I guess if you are bandwidth poor, and dont want to buy dvds (although im not sure why :)
08:35<SynrG>impatience?
08:35<_spOOn_>SynrG: probably correct
08:37<nadir>oldlaptop: i recall it to be a simply "apt-cdrom add" with the CD/DVD in the drive
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08:41<kardan>SynrG, it's my system and installed it myself. browser history tells me I found it linked here: https://leap.se/pt/services/eip
08:41<kardan>and I tend to trust their recommendation.
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08:44<oldlaptop>SynrG: trying to download KDE over dialup will try your patience much, much more :/
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08:44<oldlaptop>I remember dialup, 10MB was pushing it
08:45<oldlaptop>a gig or so for X would take a week
08:45<oldlaptop>(and therefore was not an option, I needed that phone line for phone calls too)
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08:50<kardan>the reason I am a bit alerted is that tonight my system shutdown hard and the last message in logs is "nm-openvpn[21948]: Authenticate/Decrypt packet error: packet HMAC authentication failed"
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08:51<kardan>I found that one reason for this could be "(3) Non-OpenVPN packets are being sent to OpenVPN's port number." http://openvpn.net/archive/openvpn-users/2004-01/msg00175.html
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08:52<kardan>now I am curious, if this is a known address vector to remotely shutdown a system
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08:53<kardan>maybe I am just paranoid and my laptop battery got empty (though beeing connected to AC)
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08:57<andres>kardan: especially if using openvpn connections over udp that's nothing surprising and happens every now and then.
08:57<kardan>however I found that message in daemon.log roughly once a hour
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08:58<kardan>mh, then my brains needs to find something else to explain the shutdown.
08:58<kardan>sorry, brain :)
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09:02<kardan>could it potentially possible that somebody sends me corrupt packages that cause debian to halt? I know this is possible for windows, but linux?
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09:08<kardan>I know the keyword for wakeup on LAN is "magic packet". maybe this is possible for the opposite as well.
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09:11<kardan>that makes me even more suspucious: "Remote Shutdown & Wake-Up - Windows PCs in your Universitywww.blaspam.com/Get your free 45 days trial now!"
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09:22<abrotman>Were you asking a question?
09:24<kardan>sort of. the implicit question was "Is it possible to shutdown debian remotely over VPN with a magic packet?". there are a lot of ugly tools out there, but all I found so far claim only to work on windows and for windows
09:24<abrotman>that doesn't make sense
09:25<kardan>you save my day
09:25<abrotman>If you're already VPNed in, just issue a shutdown command
09:26<kardan>then somebody needs to connect via ssh over VPN become root and issue 'halt' - is this what you mean?
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09:33<kardan>At least I am not the first one asking that question https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/remotely-shutdown-debian-box-from-windows-459097/
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09:34<kardan>It looks like the correct term is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portknocking
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09:38<abrotman>That's a method
09:38<kardan>I hope this is not possible per default on debian.
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09:39<abrotman>wtf ..
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09:46<kardan> /me wonders what this is supposed to mean: "use the inotify interface on a samba share to poweroff when someone opens the file 'poweroff'"
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09:56<bomboletta>ciaooooooooo
09:56<bomboletta>!list
09:56<dpkg>bomboletta: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
09:56<lixil>hey guys
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09:57<lixil>after upgrading to sid i do not have sound in vlc player and mpv but have sound in dragon player
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10:00<roughnecks>lixil: /topic
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10:02<roughnecks>lixil: you have to join #debian-next for testing/sid
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10:25<vishnu>Hai i an using a theme named flattastic-blue and i cat see the text of the Gnome tweak tool
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10:33<prasad>i am not able to delete anything from from pendrive
10:33<prasad>what to do ?i am using debian testing
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10:34<stderr>prasad: What filesystem are you using on that drive? Can you delete the files as root?
10:34<prasad>fat
10:34<prasad>fat32
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10:35<prasad>delete option is missing
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10:36<stderr>Can you try as root in a terminal?
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10:45<prasad>yes it is able to delete the files as a root
10:46<prasad>but i want to delete the files without the root, what to do?
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10:47<prasad>because it was working in previous version
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10:48<vishnu>Hai i an using a theme named flattastic-blue and i cat see the text of the Gnome tweak tool
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10:50<vishnu>can anybody help
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10:51<vishnu>PLz,,,,,,,,, Help
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10:55<prasad_>vishnu: what's the problem
10:55<kardan>prasad, try to set umask=000 - although this is not #ubuntu: http://askubuntu.com/questions/251206/mount-usb-drive-with-write-permissions-for-everyone-or-specific-user
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10:58<gtype>hey guys
10:58<gtype>rtcwake -m off isn't working in debian apparently
10:58<sney>!doesnt work
10:58<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
10:58<gtype>something about -h option to shutdown
10:59<gtype>sudo rtcwake -u -s 60 -m off
10:59<gtype>rtcwake: wakeup from "off" using /dev/rtc0 at Sun Jan 26 15:59:53 2014
10:59<gtype>shutdown: -H and -P flags can only be used along with -h flag.
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11:01<sney>gtype: ok, that seems like bug behaviour. have you checked the bts?
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11:03<gtype>dunno what bts is
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11:03<gtype>only found
11:03<sney>!bts
11:03<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS
11:03<gtype>http://www.spinics.net/lists/util-linux-ng/msg07862.html
11:03<gtype>it seems some patch for it was applied to util-linux in april
11:04<sney>,v util-linux
11:04<judd>Package: util-linux on i386 -- squeeze: 2.17.2-9; wheezy: 2.20.1-5.3; jessie: 2.20.1-5.5; sid: 2.20.1-5.6
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11:06<sney>gtype: well, it may have been solved in testing/sid but I would advise you to check the bts and if it hasn't been reported for wheezy, report it and link that patch from upstream
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11:10<kardan>why is there no package debian-reference-de - missing translators?
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11:11<sney>there are usually lots of translators for .de so maybe it's just named something different
11:12<sney>#debian.de might know
11:12<abrotman>judd: versions debian-reference-de
11:12<judd>Package: debian-reference-de on i386 -- squeeze: 2.46; jessie: 2.53; sid: 2.53
11:12<abrotman>German has bugs?
11:12<planetmaker>no, Fehler :P
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11:12<kardan>so it's just not in wheezy
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11:13<abrotman>so it would appear
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11:16<kardan>so hopefully jessie is released as stable soon.
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11:20<kardan>and indeed only 54% are translated yet http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po/de#debian-reference
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11:22<abrotman>kardan: Jessie isn't even frozen yet .. you've got a long wait
11:22<kardan>good, enough time to translate then
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11:31<gtype>I compiled util linux 2.24 from https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/util-linux/v2.24/ and it worked fine, so it's just an outdated package
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11:34<gtype>sney: I will check out how to properly use BTS later, thanks
11:34<gtype>and sorry
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11:39<pollo>hi, can someone tell my why debian is mapping LUKS drives under /dev/mapper and not simply in /dev like other drives?
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11:47<edhelas_>hi
11:48<edhelas_>I'm the main developer of the Movim project
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11:48<edhelas_>http://movim.eu/ we are building a fully decentralized social network built on the XMPP protocol
11:48<edhelas_>and I'd like to offer a .deb package :)
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11:49<abrotman>edhelas_: is there more to your question ?
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11:49<deepy>Hi edhelas_, I think this document might help you get started http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/
11:49<edhelas_>yeah, I'm looking for someone who can have the skill to package properly the project
11:49<abrotman>dpkg: tell edhelas_ about nmg
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11:50<abrotman>edhelas_: and after you've read that and gotten started, feel free to ask #debian-mentors
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11:50<edhelas_>ok
11:51<edhelas_>my software is also quite special, it can run on mysql and postgresql
11:51<edhelas_>and have to deploy a sdql database to work properly
11:51<edhelas_>*has
11:51<edhelas_>*sql
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11:52<abrotman>Sounds easy enough
11:52<edhelas_>ok :)
11:52<edhelas_>it also require PHP and a web server
11:53<abrotman>All very easy, those are dependencies
11:54<edhelas_>ok :3
11:54<edhelas_>I'll also have to change quite a little the architecture of the software ?
11:55<edhelas_>like put the config file in /ect ?
11:55<edhelas_>*etc/
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11:57<abrotman>edhelas_: It depends on where you have them, but that's pretty stanard to have config files in /etc/
11:57<edhelas_>mhhh I see
11:58<edhelas_>but this way i'll make my software "linux dependant" no ?
11:58<abrotman>Instead of what?
11:58<abrotman>BSD? Windows?
11:58<edhelas_>yeah
11:59<abrotman>BSD also has /etc/, and I have no idea how Windows manages configurations for a web app
11:59<edhelas_>for the moment, if you want to deploy movim you just have to unzip the file on a webserver
11:59*abrotman goes to look at the code ..
12:00<edhelas_>https://code.launchpad.net/movim :)
12:00<abrotman>I see that
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12:01<abrotman>edhelas_: so the stuff in system/ is your configuration ?
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12:02<edhelas_>nop
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12:02<edhelas_>the config is normaly stored in config/conf.php
12:03<edhelas_>whhich is created by PHP on the first run
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12:03<abrotman>I'm sure you can easily discover your deployment platform and find hte config appropriately
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12:03<edhelas_>:)
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12:05<mfpockets>Hello all, how to make an motd with colors and to pull system info?
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12:06<mfpockets>I tried to put this all in my /etc/motd however it just ends up spitting out the motd as is without "executing" the commands
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12:09<roughnecks>mfpockets: take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/it/motd
12:09<mfpockets>ty taking a ready
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12:09<mfpockets>read*
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12:10<pc>hola
12:11<sakax>!es
12:11<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:11<mfpockets>roughnecks: is that article up to date? it talks of motd.tail but I dont have this on my debian 7.3 install....
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12:11<roughnecks>mfpockets: i'm reading as well :)
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12:14<roughnecks>it seems that in wheezy it's just a static file
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12:15<roughnecks>!motd
12:15<dpkg>The "Message Of The Day" (MOTD) may be shown to users at login time. Since Debian 7 "Wheezy", motd is entirely under the control of the administrator; edit /etc/motd as desired. The dynamic part of the MOTD is in /run/motd.dynamic and is prepended to your /etc/motd; this dynamic part is generated by /etc/init.d/motd should you also need to customise it. See "man 5 motd". For Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", see <motd squeeze>.
12:15<_v_>mfpockets: given that motd is printed by a pam module, I'd suggest looking at /etc/pam.d/login
12:16<_v_>... and it will point you to /run/motd.dynamic... almost as fast as dpkg
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12:18<abrotman>edhelas_: also, remember, your package only has to conform to policy if you want the package in Debian. Otherwise, if you just want a .deb, that's much easier
12:18<mfpockets>_v_: thanks ill look into this too, why must we change something so simple as motd !
12:18<edhelas_>abrotman, ok :) thx
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12:19<BrainBug_>Hello, running Debian Jessie, ati HD3400, radeon drivers (Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe), but my cooler (cpu or gpu) makes a lot of noise. Can't install propr. as my card isn't supported anymore. Anyone can help or knows a fix?
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12:20<_v_>mfpockets: indeed. what's wrong with the good, single-file-is-printed-to-the-screen-with-no-dynamics ;-)
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12:27<DrZaius>how can i list the packages installed on my system with the suite/repo where they come from? (so i can grep packages coming from a repo)
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12:29<abrotman>dpkg: tell DrZaius about which repo
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12:31<DrZaius>ty abrotman
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13:27<nicoco>is there a way to see boot messages that are displayed even before bootlogd starts it logging ?
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13:30<kardan>did you check /var/log/dmesg
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14:17<rryoumaa>when i reboot, i get some message in a box, shortly before the prompt appears. if i do shift pgup, it does not show. if i do dmesg after logging in, it does not show. it appears on screen for a fraction of a second. is it not meant to be read by anybody?
14:17<rryoumaa>it is text in an ascii box like --------------------------
14:17<rryoumaa>the screen clears before the login prompt
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14:20<oldlaptop>rryoumaa: one of those things that makes me wish it didn't clear the screen before showing the login prompt...
14:20<oldlaptop>why did they start doing that anyhow
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14:32<SynrG>privacy
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14:34<kardan>one thing e ever asked is where the bootup messages during starting services are logged. Often there are errors that do no appear in daemon.log or syslo
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14:35<oldlaptop>yes
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14:37<rryoumaa>the message does not appear in /var/log
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14:38*rryoumaa wishes that every message ever printed in logs were clear and possible to retrieve
14:40<rryoumaa>what does "FAILED LOGIN (1) on '/dev/tty1' FOR 'UNKNOWN', Authentication failure" mean? i had a failed login as root, but i don't get why it says unknown.
14:40<kardan>gnome-system-log with its filters is already a start, but only for messages that are logged
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14:43<rryoumaa>kardan: does it explain the messages? i find that linux requires not merely knowledge of how it works, but memorization of the meaning of messages that do not say what they seem to mean.
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14:44<kardan>the problem is, that there is hardly a technical solution for this problem, as the program that raises the error can't know the level and the context of the raised error.
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14:46<kardan>the only solution could be a database where user can add their information that possible helps - which in fact is the internet with its search engines
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14:48<kardan>nonetheless I would love to provide my info to a debian tool as well - something similar to the bts but more focused on user friendlyness
14:48<rryoumaa>kardan: the internet has not been sufficiently helpful with today's messages
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14:49<alumno>hola
14:49<rryoumaa>things like blinking underscore in upper left hand corner do not mean anything to me as a regular user :)
14:49<alumno>:)
14:49<alumno>:) :)
14:49<alumno>hi
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14:50<kardan>usually it means "please type" or "please wait" - just easy, isn't it?
14:50<rryoumaa>or please reboot or please get new hardware
14:51<rryoumaa>or please try a new cd
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14:52*kardan never saw the last one
14:53<rryoumaa>what if error messages output a unique code, and then there were a database provided with debian that explained them?
14:53<rryoumaa>or even man pages
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14:56<kardan>you could write a bash that catches all messages on STDERR and send them to an expert system. together with the application path and maybe ENV it already could be helpful information to explain the problem.
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14:57<kardan>"you" in the sense of "everyone"
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14:57<stderr>Please don't send all messages to me.
14:57<stderr>And don't catch all my messages.
14:57<kardan>not to you, by you.
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14:58<kardan>why not?
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15:00<kardan>honestly, does anybody believe stderr deserves privacy?
15:00<stderr>I do... :-)
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15:00<rryoumaa>kardan: bash messages are less of an issue, because you know what you are doing when you run the command. however, boot stuff and daemon messages are low level and truly incomprehensible sometimes
15:01<kardan>Then it's probably best to bother Linus with it.
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15:02<kardan>And as history shows you need to be really annoying with it.
15:03-!-mode/#debian [+l 654] by debhelper
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15:05<valdyn>having error codes instead of plain text would be fucked up
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15:10<valdyn>rryoumaa: and the "UNKNOWN" is any non-existing user
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15:11<rryoumaa>valdyn: thanks
15:11<rryoumaa>i did not say instead of plain text
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15:28<kardan>it is a really hard task to explain error messages as you can't know at which level a user is. you can spend the rest of your life to collect answers from ask sites, forums and tutorials on the net for such a beast. for example starting just with the basic things, you have A LOT to do: http://www.tuxradar.com/content/error-messages-explained
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15:29<rryoumaa>well, i suppose for some people there is no need for further improvement in error messages. point taken. seems to me perhaps they could be improved, but perhaps i just need to get more familiar with booting and daemons.
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15:29<sney>there's some odd advice on that page
15:29<sney>oh, 2009. but still
15:30<valdyn>rryoumaa: error messages have a typical context that makes them easier to debug - that context is usually among the first google hits on the error message
15:31<sney>(though less and less now that we have stackexchange)
15:31<rryoumaa>indeed sometimes true. just not with today's messages.
15:31<valdyn>rryoumaa: now in windows you get an error code, but you do just the same, you google it
15:31<valdyn>rryoumaa: can you show us the message?
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15:32<rryoumaa>valdyn: i've lost track, there were a bunch i needed to deal with. but i do have an ext4 burst of messages i'd like to ask about, in a minute, if htat's ok.
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15:41<jaccob>they have some new protocol for android os called mtp or something, dunno, but I was wondering if anyone know how to transfer files between debian
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15:41<oldlaptop>jaccob: good luck to you :/
15:42<valdyn>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MTP
15:42<jaccob>valdyn, thx
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15:43<valdyn>jaccob: these tools seem to be in wheezy aswell
15:43<sney>mtp is in debian but it's a little hit or miss depending on the device.
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15:43<jaccob>sney, valdyn thx
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15:44<jaccob>well, I can just drag them over it works, but I can't really navigate to a special directory or transfer back from android to debian. but really that is suiting my needs good enough
15:44<jaccob>thx guys, I am heading to freenode, cause I had a gnome question
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15:45<jaccob>or maybe I'll try here, i wanted to customize a bit, like how you move the mouse to the top left corner, it does that action, what is it called, I want it to do that for the top right corner too, and maybe I could customize some right side and left side clicks too
15:46<valdyn>im finding that sites using special characters (like github.com for instance) do not work properly with dejavu fonts
15:46<valdyn>is there those additional glyphs for dejavu?
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15:48<sney>jaccob: it's called the "hot corner" and iirc there are some controls in the gnome control panel, and there are certainly more in dconf
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15:49<jaccob>sney, thx agai
15:49<jaccob>sney, thx again
15:50<sney>no problem
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15:53<rryoumaa>is this an indication of a problem with a disk? http://sprunge.us/BWUf
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15:54<sney>rryoumaa: possibly. have you fscked it a few times?
15:54<rryoumaa>sney: no, it is my main disk
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15:55<sney>ok, so stop any services you have going, do 'mount / -o remount,ro' and then 'fsck /dev/sda2'
15:55<sney>sometimes fsck is all you need. sometimes ext* just goes a little crazy
15:55<rryoumaa>interesting. i didn't know you could do that. how do i stop all services?
15:55<rryoumaa>also didn't it already do the fsck in those messages? or are there different kinds?
15:56<petn-randall>rryoumaa: Is SMART enabled on that disk? Have you checked the stats?
15:56<rryoumaa>petn-randall: i am running smartctl -t long /dev/sda right now. is that the right command?
15:56<sney>those messages are just telling you to run fsck, mostly. it can only be run on a readonly filesystem
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15:57<sney>by services I just mean stuff like mysqld or anything you might be hosting. exit X, too. little things like cron will survive
15:57<petn-randall>rryoumaa: That's the right command to run a long selftest. If the disk is already broken I wouldn't run that. You can check it with 'smartctl -a /dev/sda'.
15:57<Noggin>gmake
15:57<Noggin>sorry, wrong window :-)
15:58<sney>smartctl can give false negatives though, so even if it says nothing is wrong, that doesn't mean nothing is wrong necessarily
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15:58<sney>offline disk check tools from the disk vendor are more reliable
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15:59<rryoumaa>petn-randall: it says passed and previous tests completed without error
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16:01<sney>rryoumaa: see what I said about smart false negatives. and try the fsck too
16:02<sney>if you constantly get filesystem errors that keep recurring, that's definitely a sign of a failing disk
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16:03<petn-randall>rryoumaa: Can you paste the output to http://paste.debian.net? The values listed are actually the interesting ones.
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16:09<rryoumaa>sprunge ok? http://sprunge.us/TjbK
16:11<kardan>I want to run https://github.com/rscmbbng/Border-Check without root privileges (unless someone can assure that it's safe). Instead I would like to lower needed privileges for the tracerout tools (lft). Is there an option?
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16:13<sney>maybe having your user in the netdev group
16:14<kardan>will try that. I changed the group for it to my users group but see "socket: Operation not permitted"
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16:17<petn-randall>rryoumaa: The values look ok. The interesting ones are "Current_Pending_Sector" and "Offline_Uncorrectable", they should be always 0. If not, it might be a problem. The others depend a little on the HDD if they're problematic.
16:18<petn-randall>rryoumaa: Just as a side note, you do have backups?
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16:18<kardan>$ groups => dialout ~/src/Border-Check$ python bc /usr/bin/lft: Option '-E' is not implemented in this wrapper | You have no enough privileges to use this traceroute method. | socket: Operation not permitted
16:18<kardan>s/dialout/dialout netdev/
16:19<rryoumaa>petn-randall: thanks. so 3rd value (THRESH) being 000 is the thing to look for?
16:20<petn-randall>rryoumaa: The last one, "RAW_VALUE", is what you want to look at.
16:21<petn-randall>rryoumaa: Don't worry about the others, some HDDs report bogus values, or values smartctl can't understand. If you have values like "22484153798027", and your drive apparently functioning normally, you can safely ignore them.
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16:24<rryoumaa>great to know. thanks.
16:25<kardan>is there something like fakeroot for sockets?
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16:26<petn-randall>kardan: What are you trying to achieve?
16:27<kardan>I want to run (Border-Check - link above) as user until I reviewed the code completely
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16:27<kardan>the called process (usr/bin/lft.db) uses system sockets to perform traceroutes
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16:28<ompaul>kardan: traceroute needs elevated privs to get its hands on the kernel packets
16:28<valdyn>kardan: fakeroot does not get you root
16:28<kardan>and there is no such thing as fuse for net?
16:28<valdyn>kardan: and injecting packets needs root, no workaround
16:29<ompaul>kardan: think about what you are asking
16:29<ompaul>kardan: see, it doesn't make sense ;-)
16:29<valdyn>kardan: fuse does not work around needing root
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16:30<ompaul>the net is not a filesystem
16:30<valdyn>kardan: if its a browser extension that needs root then its broken by design
16:30<kardan>it's a python script which makes me hesitate to grant further rights on it
16:30<ompaul>kardan: it is a nice idea but frankly ... if you must you have to realise that the extension if hijacked has your box
16:31<ompaul>kardan: browsers have enough problems without giving them root access
16:31<ompaul>flash now with root access ;-)
16:31<kardan>it only uses browser data, but is not run by the browser directly
16:31<petn-randall>kardan: Just use HTTPS everywhere, this plugin shouldn't be running on your "production" browser IMHO.
16:31<ompaul>kardan: use light house for starters
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16:32<ompaul>kardan: and a rerouted http packet isn't going to be identified by icmp
16:32<ompaul>icmp will find the other box
16:32<ompaul>where it is, but the http is gone around the world three times
16:32<kardan>this tool is different than HTTPS everywhere. it shows on a map through which countries my browser traffic is routed
16:33<ompaul>kardan: as I just pointed out that is not the case
16:33<ompaul>it can't
16:33<ompaul>physically can't
16:33<ompaul>not possible
16:33<ompaul>nice idea - flawed by virtue of it's implementation
16:34<petn-randall>Not everything that *can* be done, should be done ...
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16:34<ompaul>two protocols ... your traceroute will go directly to the box, but the http traffic is not going the same way
16:34<ompaul>if it is interdicted
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16:35<ompaul>petn-randall: say it is so :)
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16:35<kardan>ok, I see. pinging after the servers can't show which way other protocols took.
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16:37<ompaul>yeap
16:37<ompaul>and traceroute is not pinging ;-)
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16:37<ompaul>it is like it, but it is not it :)
16:37<ompaul>motivations of the packets are different
16:37<petn-randall>tracroute is more like pong.
16:38<petn-randall>/trac/trace/
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16:43<kardan>and why "http is gone around the world three times" - interdicted by what?
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16:46<ompaul>kardan: there are two issues. There is the assumed path, and if you are being spied on or have your packets misdirected you can only get a clue if it is takes forever to come back
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16:47<kardan>is this because potentially quantum insert (or whatever MITM technology) only selects specific packets?
16:48<ompaul>can be
16:50<kardan>then I got an idea now :)
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16:53<kardan>also VPN is probably no solution against MITM. as you said only end to end encryption like HTTPS works. if the endpoint is validated.
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16:53<ompaul>kardan: at some level you don't want to think too much about this stuff or you won't do anything
16:54<petn-randall>kardan: Right, which is why this tool is a nice little side project to show people through which countries their traffic goes, but shouldn't be used as a forensics tool.
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16:54<kardan>why do you think that I want to do anything?
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16:54<petn-randall>kardan: The only solution is to do end-to-end encryption, and avoid protocols that don't allow that.
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16:55<ompaul>kardan: there isn't an implicit you want to do //something// if you are online you do stuff
16:55<ompaul>you visit sites
16:55<ompaul>you make assumptions about the trust leve
16:55<ompaul>l
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16:59<kardan>What really prevents me from doing things is the broken encryption of gsm. Not to speak of landline. I nearly have no fun to use telephones.
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17:00<ompaul>kardan: whatever ... use a pencil and paper ... :-)
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17:10<PMode>Hi, I plan to got FOSDEM and wanted to submit keys for the keysigning party. I followed http://ekaia.org/blog/2009/05/10/creating-new-gpgkey/ (only one subkey though). Later on I read about Master Signing keys in the how-section of https://wiki.debian.org/subkeys
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17:12<PMode>I was wondering if people really create a second subkey and remove the originally created master key (in the first link there were already two subkeys). So I am a bit lost.
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17:14<PMode>I mean, I understand of having a second keypair not as subkey but I did not quite get the fiddling with the subkeys in the debian-wiki.
17:14<debuser>Hi, can anyone help me please ? i'm upgrading from debian 6 to debian 7. after apt-get upgrade i got error. http://paste.debian.net/78503/
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17:15<babilen>debuser: paste /var/lib/insserv/run-20140126T2309.log please
17:17<debuser>babilen: ok. http://paste.debian.net/78504/
17:17<babilen>debuser: Could you also paste the upgrade log you were asked to create in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#record-session please ?
17:17<babilen>debuser: Any idea where routing_ppp0 and transmission-daemon init scripts are from?
17:18<debuser>babilen: mmm ... i'm not recording session. sorry. if you want i can paste the screen output. from apt-get upgrade.
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17:19<babilen>Well, transmission-daemon is clear, but what about mediatomb and routing_ppp0 ? They seem to be broken, did you write them? either way you should either remove those or fix the init script's LSB headers and then continue with "dpkg --configure -a"
17:20<debuser>yes. i those are script written by me to startup mediatomb and transmission.
17:21<debuser>i can remove those scripts, to fix them later.
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17:21<babilen>debuser: You have to fix them as they break the dependency based boot system (see https://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts )
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17:22<debuser>babilen: your help was precious !! can i fix those script now and then "dpkg --configure -a" ?
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17:28<rryoumaa>is the debian mozilla repo for wheezy also used by jessie and sid users?
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17:28<rryoumaa>or do they just take whatever gets updated?
17:30<petn-randall>rryoumaa: They should track jessie/sid, but until now the mozilla wheezy repo works for me on jessie (no warranty though).
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17:32<debuser>babilen: I've added LSB informations to my scripts. "dpkg --configure -a" has finished, reporting no output. Do you think i'm now ready to continue with the main part of the upgrade
17:32<debuser>?
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17:33<babilen>debuser: yes
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17:34<babilen>debuser: Assuming you are referring to the "dpkg --configure sysv-rc" command mentioned in your initial paste
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17:35<babilen>But then that should have been captured by -a, anyway .. curious that it had no output whatsovever.
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17:39<debuser>mmm... i 'm so really unexpert to give you opinions about. It only wrote on a second execution "package sysv-rc is already installed and configured"
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17:40<debuser>i'm dist-upgrading now ... let's hope !! :-)
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18:15<me>can anyone here recommend an OUTPUT rule for iptables? I'm on a laptop and want to lock down the system as much as possible. Right now I have INPUT and FORWARD set to DROP. OUTPUT is set to ACCEPT. All I want to do is http, https, ftp, imap, pop3, irc and ssl irc. When I only allow those ports I can't connect. What am I missing? You already know that I am a n00b...
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18:16<babilen>me: Try #netfilter on freenode
18:17<babilen>(rather than cross-posting to multiple #debian channels :)
18:19<sakax>babilen - do you use conky?
18:19<babilen>no, why?
18:19<babilen>well, not at the moment
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18:19<sakax>ok, well i have some transparency issue on logout
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18:30<Supaplex>I commonly use luks+lvm (luks first, then lvm inside). I read something once that I should not store encrypted luks volumes on top of another volume. I have an external hdd I don't recall the passphrase, but I want to save the image to a second location in case one drive fails (I'll probably recall the password sooner or later).
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18:32<Supaplex>Eg, both drives have different passphrases and LVM pv names. I'll use lvcreate on the second drive to store the first drive as an image (no wasted space on filesystem overhead)
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18:56<kaoron>Hi there ! Someone to help me with a pulseaudio/virtualbox problem please ? Relevant info compiled here : http://www.openetherpad.org/p/91MAD5rKD2
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18:59<salamand1r>hello there, I have installed debian wheezy (base, no x, no desktop), then I installed xorg and iceweasel. Now I do "startx" and then iceweasel and I cant manage to see it in full screen mode. Any guess where should I read to make it work?
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19:00<MrFrood>!xorg
19:00<dpkg>X.Org X11 is the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2 and first included in Debian 4.0 "Etch". To install, ask me about <install x>. To configure, ask me about <xorg config>. To remove, ask about <remove x>. Backports for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" are available, ask about <bdo xorg>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://x.org/ #xorg on irc.freenode.net.
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19:03<salamand1r>MrFrood: x is working fine, i have been learning about xterm also, but I cant manage to see iceweasel in full screen. That is my consern
19:03<blast007>salamand1r: did you install a desktop environment as well?
19:04<kaoron>salamand1r: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1515752/x11-unable-to-maximize-applications-when-no-window-manager-is-used
19:04<salamand1r>blast007: no, I dont want to install a desktop environment, im trying to manage without it
19:04<abrotman>salamand1r: hit F11 ?
19:04<salamand1r>kaoron: thanx Im reading it
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19:05<MrFrood>salamand1r: There is a big difference between a desktop environment and a window manager - try installing one of the simple ones such as Openbox
19:05<kaoron>salamand1r: you might need to install a capable window manager at least, like openbox/fluxbox/fvwm/iceWM/awesome/i3 or i don't know what's trendy nowadays
19:07<salamand1r>MrFrood: ok, I'll try openbox, thanx
19:07<salamand1r>kaoron: thanx ill do that
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19:15<salamand1r>msg dpkg openbox
19:16<kaoron>Nobody to tackle my pulseaudio issue ?
19:17<Supaplex>my audio never breaks, so I have no idea how to troubleshoot it.
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19:19<kaoron>Yeah... guys at #pulseaudio@freenode are playing silent too... nobody knows how to troubleshoot the linux audio stack :(
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19:19<musca>kaoron: your link loads just forever in my open source browser. but http://titanpad.com works
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19:20<kaoron>musca: ah, thanks for the info ! I'll switch
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19:21<kaoron>musca: http://titanpad.com/Ja738dTWoO
19:22<musca>now it opens like a breeze :)
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19:22<kaoron>\o/
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19:30<salamand1r>What would you recomend openbox or fluxbox?
19:31<salamand1r>Would there be substancial diferences for a person who just want an x-window-manager to resize windows and that kind of stuff?
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19:32<lac>hello .. i just spent 2 hours trying to get my new hp laserjet pro 200 series m276n to work with debian unstable.
19:32<abrotman>And now it works like a dream/
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19:33<lac>I t turns out, at least for my problem, if you run hp-plugin
19:33<lac>alone
19:33<lac>and then hp-setjup
19:33<lac>er hp-setup
19:33<lac>works great.
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19:34<kaoron>salamand1r: imo, not much. most of the shine comes with configuration and corner cases (like handling multi-head correctly)
19:34<lac>I would like to add this info to some wiki page somewhere, but I cannot find the correct one.
19:34<kaoron>salamand1r: if you just want ton maximize, both will fit
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19:34<lac>er hp-setup earlieras I wrote.
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19:36<lac>This is in no way a silver bullet to deal with hplip not really supporting debing unstable, but for those of us who run it
19:36<salamand1r>kaoron: thanx ill try openbox then
19:36<lac>the hint of 'run this first and see' would be worth a try, but where to put this?
19:37<abrotman>lac: wiki.debian.org ?
19:38<lac>abrotman -- need better idea as to which page to add to.
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19:38<abrotman>https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting somewhere there maybe?
19:38<lac>thinking
19:40<lac>not sure this is the right place. It is not set up to talk about hp-plugins
19:40<lac>and som,e of those are proprietary.
19:41<lac>mine is not, but i still could not get the thing to load with hp-setup
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19:42<lac>got stuk in an install loop of hp demanding lower versons of what I have installed, and there was no way to keep running unstable and get new printer installed.
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19:43<lac>hp was no help, just said that unstable was not supported.
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19:49<web_user|49219>hi folks, I am running debian stable. There is just a hibernation resume failure. I powered down the computer. I have some data on the /tmp partition I want to recover. Is there any way to drop into a recovery console before init scripts cleanup my /tmp partition ?
19:50<web_user|49219>The one like you are dropped into when some partition check fails ?
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19:51<Arrowmaster>you can try adding init=/bin/bash to the kernel boot line in grub
19:52<web_user|49219>oh, quick shot, thank you. let me try.
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19:57<web_user|49219>thanks a lot. it does initiate the console.
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20:38<rob_>hey Celelibi thanks for your help the other night... :)
20:38<Celelibi>So now you're using Debian? :p
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20:39<rob_>yup
20:39<rob_>lol
20:39<rob_>and my printer works
20:39<Celelibi>Debian solves all the problems of the world.
20:40<Celelibi>World peace, world hunger, and even printers that doesn't work.
20:40<rob_>now another question..... trying to install flash.... How do I edit my software sources? Debian is a little bit different getting around in here and I can't get Flash installed because I dont have deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free in my sources as near as I can tell
20:41<abrotman>nor should you
20:41<abrotman>dpkg: tell rob_ about non-free
20:41<abrotman>you should not point at 'stable'
20:41<rob_>OK, so how does one get flash to work?
20:41<abrotman>dpkg: tell rob_ about adobe flash
20:42<rob_>yeah, I tried just using the plugin... got nothing but a black screen on videos
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20:42<abrotman>with which browser?
20:43<rob_>iceweasel
20:43<abrotman>did you restart the browser completely after installing?
20:44<rob_>yes
20:44<Nemoder_>what version does it say in about:plugins
20:44<rob_>1.48
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20:45<rob_>err, no
20:45<Nemoder_>is that an adobe version or gnash or something?
20:46<rob_>Shockwave Flash 10.1 r000
20:46<rob_>r999
20:46<rob_>damned fingers...
20:46<abrotman>rob_: at the consle as root, run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install", then restart icewesaeln and check again
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20:46<rob_>thanks abrotman
20:47<rob_>bash: update-flashplugin-nonfree: command not found
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20:47<Nemoder_>from what I understand adobe no longer offers even security updates for their flash player on linux except through the pepper api on chrome
20:47<rob_>and a billion things use flash...
20:47<abrotman>They offer security updates, but not feature updates
20:48<Nemoder_>oh ok
20:48<abrotman>so fr ..
20:48<abrotman>so far ..
20:49<Nemoder_>rob_: it's part of flashplugin-nonfree which is in contrib
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20:54<rob_>grumble....
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20:55<saruman>weirdest thing, i can connect to ssh remotely but when i attempt to login, it just quietly denies the correct password 3 times and then prompts me with user@ipaddress's password: denies it again and disconnects me
20:55<Nemoder_>rob_: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
20:55<saruman>however when i make a localhost ssh connection it accepts it right away
20:55<saruman>any idea ?
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20:56<rob_>I'll try the plugin in chrome...
20:56*Baloo wonders how to install flightgear right now; since there doesn't seem to be a package that contains /usr/games/fgfs
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20:59<Nemoder_>Baloo: looks like there is a new version in unstable but it's still buggy
20:59<Baloo>Aaah.
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21:07<abrotman>holy Baloo
21:07*Baloo says a benediction in Romansch
21:09<rob_>gah, i'm giving up for tonight.... it says Shockwave Flash - Version: 10.1 r999 is installed in chrome... I go to chrome:plugins and enable it, restart the browser and it still says i need flash to watch youtube vids
21:09<Baloo>Company's trying to get me to take flight lessons and train up on the entire line of Lexmark printers...not exactly enthusiastic about the latter, given what he's in for on the former.
21:10<Nemoder_>rob_: it is a pretty old version, i would add contrib to your sources and get the update script
21:10<Baloo>Also, I think I'm working too hard for $11/hr plus miles...
21:10<rob_>this is an unknown to me Nemoder_ I'm a newbie here, how do i add it to my sources?
21:11<Nemoder_>rob_: open your /etc/apt/sources.list file in your favorite text editor
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21:11<Nemoder_>you will need root permissions to make changes to it
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21:13<rob_>and what line do i need to add to the file?
21:14<Nemoder_>find the existing line that says something like: deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main
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21:14<Nemoder_>and just add the word contrib to the end
21:14<rob_>ok, thanks
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21:14<sney>www.youtube.com/html5 will also switch most videos over to html5 for you, which removes the flash requirement for those videos
21:14<Nemoder_>rob_: save it, then run aptitude update; aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
21:15<Nemoder_>sney: it's nice but sadly a huge number of videos still require flash :(
21:15<rob_>I'm still googling to figure out how to open a text editor... lol Told you, total newbie here
21:15<sney>rob_: in a terminal you can just do EDITOR /path/to/file
21:15<sney>and it'll run your default editor (probably nano)
21:15<rob_>k thanks
21:15<Nemoder_>rob_: open a terminal, type su to switch to root first
21:16<sney>Nemoder_: youtubs is intentionally switching them over so it's a gradual shift
21:16<Nemoder_>nano is a pretty simple editor
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21:17<rob_>bash: EDITOR: command not found
21:17<Nemoder_>rob_: just try nano /etc/apt/sources.list
21:17<rob_>got it
21:17<rob_>no caps...
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21:18<Nemoder_>make your changes, ctrl-X to save and exit
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21:19<rob_>which of these lines would I add "contrib" at the end of ?
21:19<rob_>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main
21:19<rob_>deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main
21:19<rob_>deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main
21:19<rob_>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main
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21:19<abrotman>all of them
21:19<rob_>sorry.... didnt mean to flood
21:19<rob_>ok, thanks
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21:20<rob_>so just a space and then contrib, no other characters?
21:21<Nemoder_>yep
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21:22<rob_>OK.... the last dumb question is, there doesn't seem to be a save option with this editor
21:22<abrotman>you were told how to save it
21:23<Nemoder_>ctrl-x
21:23<Nemoder_>it will ask on exit if you wish to save
21:23<rob_>OK, trhanks
21:23<rob_>thanks
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21:24<rob_>installing the newest flash now, thanks
21:25<rob_>I will need to get a book on this.... all new to me
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21:26<Nemoder_>I still have issues with flash eating memory or just being annoying, I highly recommend the flashblock browser extension to control when you want to view a flash object
21:26<rob_>yeah, i used thos with my old OS
21:27<rob_>it's working!!
21:27<rob_>thanks guys
21:27<rob_>I need sleep now...
21:29<Nemoder_>goodnight :)
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21:31<Radon_3>which mark of laptop is better for debian?
21:31<abrotman>There isn't one, depends on the hardware inside
21:32<Nemoder_>thinkpads have generally been pretty good
21:32<Radon_3>cause there are linux specific hardwares available for PCs I thought maybe the same goes gor linux
21:32<Radon_3>*goes for laptops
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21:33<Nemoder_>always good to research what components are in any machine and if they have compatability problems
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21:34<Radon_3>so, is this like a good machine for debian: asus-x451ca?
21:34<abrotman>You apparently arne't paying attention
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21:36<Radon_3>ok...
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21:36<Radon_3>sorry folks :(
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21:49<mfpockets>_v_: thanks ill look into this too, why must we change something so simple as motd !
21:49<mfpockets>_v_: thanks ill look into this too, why must we change something so simple as motd !
21:49<mfpockets>_v_: thanks ill look into this too, why must we change something so simple as motd !
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22:46<m4rley>Hi all :) have a totally noob question to ask. Just rescued an old PowerMac G5 and installed Debian 7. Everything is working surprisingly well, but every time I try to update packages from aptitude it says that everything is from an untrusted source. Is this normal?
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22:48<Celelibi>I see 3 versions of package gnu-efi when I apt-cache search.
22:49<Celelibi>3.0u+debian-3 3.0s+debian-3 3.0i-3
22:49<Celelibi>dafuqizdat?
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22:49<Celelibi>Which one is the most recent?
22:53-!-mode/#debian [+l 608] by debhelper
22:54<abrotman>m4rley: install "debian-archive-keyring" and then run aptitude update
22:55<m4rley>abrotman: worked like a charm, ty :)
22:56<m4rley>never had that happen before, strange
22:56<abrotman>maybe old installer images .. not a big deal
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22:56<stderr>judd: v gnu-efi
22:56<judd>Package: gnu-efi on i386 -- squeeze: 3.0i-3; wheezy: 3.0i-3; jessie: 3.0s+debian-3; sid: 3.0s+debian-3; experimental: 3.0u+debian-3
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22:57<stderr>Celelibi: Mixing stable, testing (or unstable) and experimental?
22:57<abrotman>what could go wrong ..
22:57<Celelibi>stderr: yes, in source.list at least.
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22:58<stderr>That's a very bad idea...
23:00<Celelibi>I have a target-release config. That should be enough, doesn't it?
23:00<stderr>To answer your question: 3.0u is the most recent... BUT!!! I wouldn't recommend upgrading to that one (or to 3.0s for that matter).
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23:03<Celelibi>stderr: actually I look for the upstream version that was used. Because the lastest git revision do not work very well.
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23:05<Celelibi>But what's this letter?
23:06<Celelibi>What does it mean?
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23:11<stderr>Celelibi: You mean besides "u" coming after "s" and "s" coming after "i"?
23:12<Celelibi>I think I saw somewhere a wiki page describing the debian versionning.
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23:15<stderr>!debian version
23:15<dpkg>cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
23:15<stderr>Hmm, that wasn't the one I was looking for...
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23:17<stderr>!debian revision
23:17<dpkg>rumour has it, debian revision is a number added to the package number to show that the Debian maintainers for the package have had a number of attempts at the packaging. The Debian revision is the string after the last - in the version (1.2.3-5 has a Debian revision of 5) and will also indicate a security update (e.g.1+squeeze2) or an NMU. Ask me about <nmu> <binnmu> <compare versions> <version epoch>, or see section 5.6.12 of <policy>.
23:17<stderr>That's more like it...
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23:18<stderr>Celelibi: But anyway, mixing releases is usually a very bad idea. I'm not even sure, if it's supported in #debian-next when you add experimental to the mix.
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23:19<Celelibi>I only pick a package from experimental for specific needs.
23:19<Celelibi>Mostly when I'm willing to work on the source directly.
23:20<Celelibi>Or to test the lastest kernel. :p
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23:25<Celelibi>So in sid version "3.0s+debian-3" the upstream version is "3.0s+debian"?
23:26<Celelibi>That's puzzling that upstream version contains "debian".
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23:26<Celelibi>http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version
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23:36<Cullz>Hi - I've installed Debian 7.3.0 Wheezy amd64, I'm trying to get Video Downloadhelper plugin in Iceweasel to convert some youtube videos to mp3's - it is only working with some videos & not others
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23:38<Cullz>The conversion fails (sometimes). So I think it's having trouble getting the audio from some of the original filetypes
23:38<Cullz>Missing codecs? Thanks in advance if you can point me in the right direction
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23:42<Celelibi>Cullz: you may try to download the videos and see if you can convert them by hand with the same tool.
23:43<Celelibi>If not, then you may have found the problem.
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23:44<Celelibi>Youtube have mainly two formats IIRC. flv and mp4. Maybe download helper converter have troubles with one or the other.
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23:47<Cullz>Celelibi: thanks - yeah, it wont download it at all, shows as 0bytes in the downloads list
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23:47<Cullz>But video plays fine in Iceweasel
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23:48<houms>can anyone help me with mysql question? we have server withmysql at /var/lib/mysql. I want to cp it over to a temp location mount a new drive at /var/lib/mysql and copy the data back, is there a better way to do this?
23:48<Celelibi>I never had a problem with download helper for downloading videos fro youtube.
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23:48<Celelibi>houms: you shouldn't do that.
23:48<houms>I hear moving it is problematic. any help would be greatly appreciated
23:48<houms>what can i do?
23:48<_v_>houms: I normally move using mysqldump
23:48<Celelibi>+4000.
23:48<houms>the box is running out of space.
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23:49<Cullz>yeah, i've never had a problem with it in the past either
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23:49<Celelibi>If it's just a temporary move, you can just stop mysql the time to move your data around.
23:50<houms>so take backup and then setup new instance and then restore?
23:51<_v_>houms: that's how *i* would do it. Celelibi's method would work too.. but I'm the kind of woman who'd want to have a backup before doing that anyhow
23:51<houms>celeibi you have to forgive me mysql i am not an expert in, not sure what you mean by you can just stop mysql the time to move your data around?
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23:51<Celelibi>/etc/init.d/mysql stop
23:51<Celelibi>cp / mv your data
23:51<Celelibi>/etc/init.d/mysql start
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23:52<Celelibi>Not sure /etc/init.d is still the way to go with debian.
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23:52<Celelibi>maybe it's "service mysql stop" now.
23:52<houms>so move the data but leave the rest?
23:53<Celelibi>Just do what you wanted to do.
23:53<houms>i mean the rest of /var/lib/mysql
23:53<houms>but it sounds like i should not do that by your response
23:53<houms>i do not want to lose the data
23:54<houms>if I could just mount another point and stop mysql and copy the data to new mount point. what are my options at that point? do i have any?
23:54<Celelibi>The clean way would be to dump your databases in SQL format (with mysqldump for instance), and restore it afterwards.
23:54<houms>well it is a move mostly for space reasons
23:54<Celelibi>Dealing with the binary data of mysql is not good. Especially if mysqld is running.
23:55<houms>no i stopped it
23:55<houms>it is not running.
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23:55<houms>only thing i have done so far is stopped it, mounted new disk and started copying to new disk at /mnt/temp
23:55<houms>cp -pr
23:56<Celelibi>Then you'll mount it to /var/lib?
23:56<houms>if I could somehow just point mysql to the new mountpoint and tell it to run from there i would prefer to save me time
23:56<houms>well that was my question.
23:56<Celelibi>IIRC, mysqld have an option for that.
23:57<houms>once i have copied the mysql dir over to new mount what can i do?
23:57<Celelibi>But I'm not sure it is available from the normal way to configure mysqld.
23:57<Celelibi>Oh yes. See /etc/mysql/my.cnf
23:58<Celelibi>datadir should be what you're looking for.
23:58<houms>but can i just change it like that with out issue?
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23:58<Celelibi>Yes, I think you can. But if it explode, it's not my fault.
23:59<Celelibi>sign here ->
23:59<houms>i mean again it is stopped so if i just copied all the files (i am waiting for the copy to finish), can i just point it to the new dir?
23:59<houms>i know it is not your fault
23:59<houms>it will be mine according to my boss
23:59<houms>:/
23:59<houms>i was hoping someone could help me
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