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00:20<AlexLikeRock> im using apache web server, i might want to ask them about "How to set up Virtual server". example_one.com for /var/www/example_one, example_two.com for /var/www/example_two, example_three.com for /var/www/example_three
00:20<AlexLikeRock> i goit 4 sites
00:20<AlexLikeRock> only 2 are working good
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00:26<stderr>AlexLikeRock: Create a file in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ for each virtual server. Enable each of them with a2ensite. Done...
00:26<AlexLikeRock>i do
00:26<AlexLikeRock>let me show you
00:27<stderr>Ok. http://paste.debian.net/
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00:28<AlexLikeRock>stderr, http://paste.debian.net/78768/
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00:28<mjrosenb>so I just ran debootstrap --verbose --arch armel --foreign sid /home/armel http://ftp.debian.org/debian
00:29<mjrosenb>and now my chroot doesn't have apt-get
00:29<mjrosenb>is this expected, or has something gone wrong?
00:29<AlexLikeRock>stderr, sites-available# ls
00:29<AlexLikeRock>http://paste.debian.net/78769/
00:31<AlexLikeRock>stderr, what you tink about ?
00:31<stderr>AlexLikeRock: What's the output of "apache2ctl configtest"?
00:31<AlexLikeRock>apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
00:31<AlexLikeRock>Syntax OK
00:31<stderr>And you have reloaded the config after adding those sites?
00:32<SamB>mjrosenb: well it sure isn't what *I* would expect
00:32<AlexLikeRock>stderr, yes
00:32<SamB>not that I do my own debootstraps much or anything
00:32<AlexLikeRock> i restar apache and reload :)
00:32<stderr>Can you show the config of one of the sites that doesn't work?
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00:32<mjrosenb>I: Retrieving apt 0.9.15
00:32<mjrosenb>I: Validating apt 0.9.15
00:33<mjrosenb>ok, so it *thinks* it did somethingwith apt.
00:33<stderr>AlexLikeRock: Is the DNS (or /etc/hosts) configured correctly?
00:33<stderr>mjrosenb: No "extracting" or "installing"?
00:34<mjrosenb>stderr: not that I see
00:34<mjrosenb>stderr: there are a bunch of I: Extracting foo lines
00:34<mjrosenb>but a visual scan doesn't show apt
00:34<SamB>is it possible it plans to do that when you try to start up the chroot?
00:34<AlexLikeRock>stderr, cat /etc/hosts http://paste.debian.net/78770/
00:34<mjrosenb>http://dpaste.com/1573238/
00:35<mjrosenb>SamB: that doesn't really make sense.
00:35<mjrosenb>it also didn't install su.
00:35<SamB>hmm
00:35<SamB>are there .deb files in there ?
00:36<mjrosenb>/var/cache/apt/archives/aptitude_0.6.8.4-1_armel.deb
00:36<mjrosenb>/var/cache/apt/archives/apt_0.9.15_armel.deb
00:36<mjrosenb>/var/cache/apt/archives/apt-utils_0.9.15_armel.deb
00:36<mjrosenb>/var/cache/apt/archives/aptitude-common_0.6.8.4-1_all.deb
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00:36<mjrosenb>four lines is one too many, got it.
00:36<AlexLikeRock>stderr, what more to do ?
00:37<SamB>!paste
00:37<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
00:37<SamB>mjrosenb: you actually just got lucky
00:37<mjrosenb>or two to many.
00:37<mjrosenb>SamB: oh?
00:37<stderr>AlexLikeRock: The rest of the questions... <stderr> Can you show the config of one of the sites that doesn't work?
00:37<stderr>AlexLikeRock: And are the DNS configured correctly?
00:37<SamB>managing to squeeze in that fourth line before being kicked
00:38<SamB>mjrosenb: is that outside or inside the chroot?
00:38<AlexLikeRock>i not install DNS ( i don't remember )
00:38<mjrosenb>SamB: I had no clue all of them made it out.
00:38<stderr>mjrosenb: What's the native arch?
00:38<mjrosenb>SamB: inside.
00:38<mjrosenb>SamB: outside the chroot is arch, so no .deb files
00:38<mjrosenb>stderr: armhf.
00:38<stderr>AlexLikeRock: If the hostnames doesn't point to your server, it's no wonder it doesn't work.
00:38<mjrosenb>I can likely go and dpkg -i all of the missing .deb files
00:39<SamB>mjrosenb: so did you try doing "debootstrap --second-stage" inside yet?
00:39<mjrosenb>but I don't trust the chroot to not be broken.
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00:39<mjrosenb>SamB: no, I've never heard of that
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00:39<SamB>mjrosenb: it's right there in the documentation for --foreign ;-)
00:39<mjrosenb>bash: debootstrap: command not found
00:39<AlexLikeRock>stderr, http://scarletmovies.tk/ = http://200.52.221.12/scarletmovies/
00:39<SamB>mjrosenb: hmm, okay, so it screwed up
00:40<mjrosenb>SamB: oh, no.
00:40<stderr>AlexLikeRock: And 200.52.221.12 is your IP?
00:40<mjrosenb>it is /debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage
00:40<SamB>oh oops
00:40<AlexLikeRock>inside go to /var/www/scaletmovies/index.php go to /var/www/index.php
00:40<mjrosenb>I guess in the past, I've not used --foriegn.
00:40<SamB>honestly I doubt you needed --foreign here
00:40<stderr>AlexLikeRock: But in that case, the hostname your server sees isn't "scarletmovies.tk", but "200.52.221.12" with a request for "/scarletmovies/".
00:41<AlexLikeRock>stderr, instead go to /var/www/scaletmovies/index.php go to /var/www/index.php
00:41<AlexLikeRock>yes stderr that are the ip of my server :)
00:41<mjrosenb>SamB: probably not, I just never remember the syntax for debootstrap, so I found an invocation online
00:41<mjrosenb>SamB: it mostly worked.
00:42<AlexLikeRock>stderr, but i have other http://memerio.tk/ workin good :)
00:43<stderr>AlexLikeRock: So let's see the config for those two sites.
00:43<AlexLikeRock>yes :)
00:43<mjrosenb>does --foriegn not configure sources.list in the chroot?
00:44<AlexLikeRock>stderr, /etc/apache2/sites-available# cat memario.tk
00:44<AlexLikeRock>http://paste.debian.net/78771/
00:44<AlexLikeRock>/etc/apache2/sites-available# cat scarletmovies.tk
00:44<AlexLikeRock>http://paste.debian.net/78772/
00:44<SamB>mjrosenb: I'm not sure; I've been using my "read the manpages" approach to tech support, and that doesn't appear to be covered there ...
00:45<stderr>AlexLikeRock: scarletmovies.tk. 300 IN A 72.8.190.39
00:45<stderr>The hostname is pointing to the wrong IP.
00:45<AlexLikeRock>:-S
00:45<stderr>memario.tk. 252 IN A 200.52.221.12
00:45<stderr>The other one is correct.
00:46<stderr>AlexLikeRock: Your problem isn't apache, but the DNS.
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00:46<SamB>hmm, seems debootstrap is written in shell; perhaps we could read *it*?
00:46<AlexLikeRock>i don have DNS :-S
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00:46<AlexLikeRock>stderr, whae are they ?
00:47<AlexLikeRock>stderr, where are they ?
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00:48<stderr>AlexLikeRock: I don't use any .tk domains, so I can't help you there.
00:48<stderr>How did you configure memario.tk?
00:48<AlexLikeRock>dot.tk say :
00:48<AlexLikeRock>your referer URL : http://200.52.221.12
00:48<AlexLikeRock>it correct
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00:49<AlexLikeRock>now take a look
00:49<AlexLikeRock>instead go to /var/www/scaletmovies/index.php go to /var/www/index.php
00:50<AlexLikeRock>this it local problem
00:50<stderr>$ dig @a.ns.tk +short -t a scarletmovies.tk
00:50<stderr>72.8.190.39
00:50<stderr>72.8.190.126
00:50<AlexLikeRock>this page http://scarletmovies.tk/ showme http://200.52.221.12 (default index )
00:51<stderr>I'm sorry, but it is a DNS problem...
00:51<AlexLikeRock>why show my default index ?
00:51<AlexLikeRock>"dafault indext to IP (empy) "
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00:52<AlexLikeRock>"dafault indext to IP (empy) " <---- this text i have in /var/www/index.php
00:52<stderr>The request goes to 72.8.190.whatever. That's not your server, so what happens there is a good question.
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00:53<AlexLikeRock>exactly
00:53<stderr>If that server tries to redirect request to http://200.52.221.12 either directly or using a frame, your server will see those requests with a "Host: 200.52.221.12".
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00:53<AlexLikeRock>can you recomen some one ?
00:53<AlexLikeRock>Domain settings for this domain
00:54<AlexLikeRock>SCARLETMOVIES.TK
00:54<AlexLikeRock>Domain forwarding Dot TK DNS Service Custom DNS
00:54<stderr>"200.52.221.12" clearly isn't the same as "scarletmovies.tk", so that virtual server doesn't match and the request is being served by your default virtual server.
00:54<AlexLikeRock>1- Domain forwarding
00:54<AlexLikeRock>2-Dot TK DNS Service
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00:54<AlexLikeRock>3-Custom DNS
00:54<AlexLikeRock>wich onw ?
00:54<AlexLikeRock>wich one ?
00:55<stderr>I don't use .tk domains, so "the same as you're using for memario.tk".
00:55<AlexLikeRock>stderr, yes exactly :)
00:55<AlexLikeRock>now im using "Domain forwarding "
00:55<stderr>On memario.tk or scarletmovies.tk?
00:56<AlexLikeRock>greate :) i found the problem
00:57<AlexLikeRock>2- Dot TK DNS Service = memario.tk
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00:59<stderr>AlexLikeRock: You should already have two requests in your log files, so your apache config is correct.
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01:01<AlexLikeRock>to whom do you mean ?
01:02<stderr>I mean, I contacted your server directly, without doing a DNS lookup and made two requests. Both were served correctly, so your apache is working.
01:02<stderr>As soon as the DNS problem is fixed, everything should work.
01:04<AlexLikeRock>mmm i hope
01:07<AlexLikeRock>workin ????!?!?!?!? http://scarletmovies.tk/
01:07<AlexLikeRock>go in stderr
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01:07<AlexLikeRock>tell me id say "hellow word"
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01:08<stderr> <title>PHP Test</title>
01:09<stderr> <p>Hello World</p>
01:09<AlexLikeRock>yeeeeeeees !
01:09<AlexLikeRock>working :)
01:10<AlexLikeRock>you save my life :-D --->> <stderr> I don't use .tk domains, so "the same as you're using for memario.tk".
01:10<AlexLikeRock>tanks so much
01:10<AlexLikeRock>now to make money and make me rich
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01:11<AlexLikeRock>lol
01:12<AlexLikeRock>2-Dot TK DNS Service <--- solution :-)
01:15<AlexLikeRock>tanks one more time stderr
01:15<AlexLikeRock>byes :)
01:15<stderr>No problem.
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02:02<stelicho>Hi all I have a quick question that I can't seem to get the answer to. I can't seem to mount my external hdd. fdisk -l prints blank and mount -t ext4 /dev/da0 /mnt doesn't work. Any tips?
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02:04<stderr>Are you sure about the /dev/da0?
02:04<jm_>and you are sure it's formatted?
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02:05<stderr>Does it have partitions or are you just using the whole disk as one big block device?
02:06<stderr>Did you run fdisk as root? If not, are you in the right group?
02:06<stelicho>yep, it is a ext4 that I just set up and put all my music on. dmesg lists the device as da0. I know that's uncommon but I am running debian/kfreebsd
02:06<stelicho>It is all one big block
02:07<stelicho>I did run fdisk as root
02:07<jm_>does freebsd kernel support reading ext4 then?
02:08<stelicho>I belive so. I was told that it was but let me double check
02:08<stderr>stelicho: If there's no partitions on the disk (i.e. one big block) what did you expect fdisk to say about the partitions?
02:09<stderr>file -s /dev/da0
02:09<stelicho>stderr: what do you mean?
02:09<stderr>If there's no partitions, fdisk can't list any partitions.
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02:11<stelicho>oh I see... um I can't pastlink the output of file -s /dev/da0
02:11<stelicho>I'm on another machine
02:11<stderr>Copy/paste by hand? :-)
02:11<jm_>so type the result (some of it)
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02:12<stelicho>/dev/da0:x86 boot sector; partition 1:
02:12<stderr>stelicho: The other machine isn't online?
02:12<stelicho>ID=0x83, starthead 32,
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02:13<stelicho>statsector 2048
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02:13<stderr>stelicho: Ok... How about "file -s /dev/da0?"
02:14<stelicho>I'm typing parts of the output of file -s /dev/da0
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02:15<stderr>And it shows at least one partition on the disk. I was now asking for a file -s for that partition.
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02:15<stelicho>ok hold on
02:15<stderr>I don't know how FreeBSD names its partitions.
02:15<stderr>Could be /dev/da0p1 or something else...
02:15<jm_>try da0s1
02:16<alumno>(//)
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02:16<stelicho>da0s1 was it!
02:17<stderr>Great!
02:17<stelicho>You guys are awesome thank you so much
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02:21<stelicho>oh wait, I got too excited, It's still giving me issues. file -s /dev/da0s1 says needs journal recovery after volume label and it still wont mount
02:22<alumno>asiii siisiii
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02:23<stelicho>alumno: what?
02:23<alumno>q?
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02:24<jm_>maybe it was not umounted properly
02:24<alumno>(°°)
02:25<stderr>alumno: Do you have a Debian question?
02:26<alumno>??????????????????????
02:26<kardan>how can I install brother printer drivers for 64bit? "ia32-libs or lib32stdc++ is required to be installed." "ia32-libs-gtk : Depends: ia32-libs-i386 which is a virtual package."
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02:26<stelicho>jm_: could be. should I try to plug it into this machine and then unmount it properly?
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02:26<jm_>stelicho: what is "this machine"?
02:26<stderr>stelicho: What's the error message when trying to mount?
02:27<stelicho>jm_: The computer I am using for irc
02:27<jm_>stelicho: yes but what is it running?
02:27<jm_>kardan: are you using wheezy?
02:27<kardan>yep
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02:28<stelicho>stderr: no such device jm_: good ol' debian wheezy
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02:28<jm_>then use multi-arch
02:28<stderr>stelicho: Sounds like a typo...
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02:28<stderr>Does both /dev/da0s1 and /mnt exist?
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02:29<jm_>stelicho: yeah try that and see if it needs fsck (it might also be da0s1 is not the right choice, i.e. there's da0s1b etc. - I am not really familiar with how freebsd handles this)
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02:30<stelicho>da0, da0s1, and mnt all exist
02:31<stelicho>running fsck
02:31<kardan>"binutils-multiarch - Binary utilities that support multi-arch targets"?
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02:31<jm_>!tell kardan -about multiarch
02:32<kardan>thanks
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02:34<stderr>stelicho: Does ls /dev/da0* show more than da0 and da0s1?
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02:36<stelicho>it lists da0 only and fsck quit saying that "the superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem"
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02:39<stelicho>does that mean that ext2 is compatable but ext4 isn't?
02:39<stderr>stelicho: I'm confused... You could run file -s /dev/da0s1 but ls doesn'
02:39<stderr>Argh...
02:39<stderr>But ls doesn't say anything about that device?
02:41<stelicho>correct
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02:41<stelicho>I am confused too, but It's kinda fun
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02:44<stelicho>ls /dev/da0s1 just prints /dev/da0s1, ls /dev/da0 just prints /dev/da0
02:44<stderr>I asked for "/dev/da0*"
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02:47<stelicho>/dev/da0*?
02:47<stderr>Yes.
02:47<stderr>ls /dev/da0*
02:47<stderr>With the *.
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02:48<stelicho>says no such file of directory
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02:48<stderr>(Note to self: NEVER use FreeBSD... Too confusing...)
02:49<stderr>stelicho: Is the other machine online?
02:50<stelicho>hahaha I know... I need the bsd kernel on the machine but wanted to keep debian, so it all worked out. and it is online
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02:50<stderr>stelicho: Can you ssh to it? Would make it a bit easier to copy/paste from it.
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02:51<taleon>moin
02:51<stderr>What's in /proc/partitions ?
02:52<stelicho>stderr: That's such a great idea I can't belive I didn't think of that... hold on
02:53<jm_>are you saying freebsd has /proc too?
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02:53<stderr>I have no idea... I hope so.
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02:59<stelicho>ok sorry I had to grab the ip to open ssh, It has proc/partitions. is partitions a dir? I cant seem to open it
03:00<stelicho>nevermind I opened it with nano
03:01<stderr>Can you put it on paste.debian.net?
03:02<stelicho>aI was already going to but my broswer crashed, hold plz
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03:05<stelicho>Sorry my computer crashed
03:06<stelicho>let me get that for you
03:08<stelicho>http://paste.debian.net/78780/
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03:11<stderr>stelicho: Can you try mount /dev/da0s1 /mnt again?
03:11<stelicho>ok one sec
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03:11<stderr>And if it gives you an error message, please copy/paste both the error and the command you used.
03:12<stderr>I still think the problem is a simple typo...
03:12<stderr>Everything else doesn't make any sense anymore. :-)
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03:13<stelicho>sudo mount -t auto /dev/da0s1 /mnt
03:13<stelicho>mount: /dev/da0s1 : No such device
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03:14<stelicho>sudo mount /dev/da0s1 /mnt
03:14<stelicho>mount: /dev/da0s1 : Invalid argument
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03:15<stderr>I think you need to read the man page for mount on FreeBSD, cause that just doesn't make any sense to me...
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03:17<vovin>sorry ;)
03:17<stelicho>Now I'm not claiming to know much of anything, but wouldn't debian/kfreebsd use the gnu mount program?
03:18<stderr>I would think so, but gnu mount shouldn't give those errors when you use it like that...
03:18<jm_>just try it on your debian system
03:20<stelicho>hmmmm... I don't know. It is only the kernel that is freebsd. the rest is all wheezy as described here http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/
03:20<stelicho>jm_: try what/which?
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03:21<jm_>stelicho: mounting the external disk
03:22<stelicho>ok one sec
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03:23<stelicho>mounted just like that on the linux kernel system
03:23<stelicho>ejecting it and putting it back
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03:27<stelicho>wait a second.... stderr I just tried man mount and it refers to bsd mount not gnu mount...
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03:28<stderr>How about mount --version
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03:28<stelicho>mount --version
03:29<stelicho>oh sorry hold on
03:29<stelicho>mount: invalid option -- '-'
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03:30<stelicho>usage: mount [-adflpruvw] [-o options] [-t ufs | external_type]
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03:31<stderr>Yeah, doesn't sound like gnu mount. You'll have to read the man page to see how to mount on kFreeBSD.
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03:32<stelicho>ok I will try that, thank you
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03:33<stderr>stelicho: Good luck. I'm out for a while...
03:33<stelicho>ls /dev/da
03:33<stelicho>was the comand according to freebsd, but thanks man cheers
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03:52<alp_>Cheers everyone, I've a tough bug with bluetooth and pulseaudio. Please may someone help, many thanks in advance http://pastebin.com/82R8ZTLq
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04:10<arand>Is there any guides for installing Debian by blasting a premade disk image with only a few things customized similar to ubuntu's ubiquity? Or is d-i pretty much the only go?
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04:15<zod>arand: You could take a look at the FAI project
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04:23<Q0>anyone have knowledge of stateful ipv6 DHCP client on Debian Stable 7.3?
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04:24<Q0>the problem I'm having is my server can get a stateful ipv6 address from my DHCPv6 server
04:24<Q0>but doesn't get any routing information
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04:38<Q0>actually this looks like it is it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifupdown/+bug/1013597
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04:41<arand>zod: I have looked at it, it doesn't seem to have that feature?
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04:41<Q0>and still not working
04:41<Q0>fudge
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04:42<Q0>which is weird because it works fine on every non debian system I have, Arch, Windows
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05:13<Q0>screw it, I set "static" to fix it, I had a reservation set anyway
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05:15<SynrG>arand: there is live-build + d-i, which makes things somewhat easier.
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05:16<SynrG>arand: of course, it's d-i under the hood, so you still preseed. but everything configured in the chroot when you build the live image is installed when you run the installer.
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05:19<SynrG>arand: at its simplest, the process is: lb config, copy auto/* into config tree, edit auto/config & config/** to suit your needs, lb build. see http://live.debian.net/manual/stable , particularly chapter 12.
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05:20<SynrG>arand: if you want to discuss this approach more, we provide support at #debian-live
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05:38<lugal>how do I install node.js in Wheezy?
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05:40<txt-file>lugal: one option is to install it from source
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05:40<lugal>its too difficult. could you give me an URL for the repository so I can install it from the package manager?
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05:42<txt-file>lugal: just found nodejs in the wheezy backports
05:42<dexter>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/amd64/bt-cd/
05:42<dexter>i am not sure
05:42<dexter>which one to choose
05:42<dexter>there are many torrents
05:42<dexter>CD-1 and CD-2 ...
05:42<txt-file>lugal: do you know how to handle backports?
05:43<lugal>i dont know
05:43<SynrG>!backports
05:43<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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05:44<SynrG>txt-file: just read the instructions at the site
05:44<SynrG>sorry ...
05:44<txt-file>np
05:44<SynrG>lugal: just read the instructions at the site: http://backports.debian.org/
05:45<lugal>ok
05:45<txt-file>dexter: normally you just need the CD1
05:45<SynrG>it's not hard. you add to your apt sources and specify wheezy-backports target when you install.
05:45<SynrG>the Instructions page covers that in detail.
05:45<txt-file>dexter: or if you have proper internet you can also use the netinst-cd
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05:47<lugal>I did but it doesnt work
05:48<lugal>http://YOURMIRROR.debian.org/debian-backports could not resolve...
05:48<jm_>no surprises there
05:48<avalon>...did you use that literal string?
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05:50<lugal>yes
05:50<lugal>sorry
05:50<lugal>what do I have do take instead of YOURMIRROR?
05:51<txt-file>lugal: in what country are you?
05:51<lugal>germany
05:51<txt-file>ftp.de.debian.org
05:51<txt-file>replace YOURMIRROR with that
05:52<lugal>ok :D
05:52<lugal>thanks it worked
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05:53<txt-file>sounds good
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05:54<dexter>txt-file does live cd gets installed without internet?
05:54<SynrG>there are two kinds of people in the world: those who recognize and understand substitution syntax and <groupofpeople>.
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05:56<SynrG>dexter: it runs the debian-installer, which tries to set up your network. just like the debian-installer on non-live media, when it fails you can continue without it, but then you need to manually configure your network after the install is done.
05:56<SynrG>(and that includes setting up your apt sources)
05:58<SynrG>i.e. all d-i installers try to install with the network, and all of them will let you proceed without it. the main difference is, different images contain different slices of debian, so if you install without the network, you only end up with what's on the image itself.
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06:01<SynrG>dexter: also, you know where the live images are? see http://www.debian.org/CD/live ... however, the 7.3 live images were very late in production and are still being synced to the server. you can obtain them at: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/7.3 and unofficial non-free images at http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/7.3+nonfree/
06:01<SynrG>there are no torrents yet for the 7.3 live images. they will be put up once the images are synced to debian cdimage server.
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06:03<SynrG>hmm, i notice these images are not signed yet, either, so you may prefer to use the old 7.2 images. just upgrade as soon as you're finished and you'll be at 7.3
06:04<SynrG>(plus there are actually torrents of the 7.2 images :)
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06:08<dexter>Okay thanks :)
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06:09<dexter>one more question
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06:09<dexter>i see huge size difference for cd and dvd images
06:09<dexter>so whats the main difference between them ?
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06:10<jm_>do you know a difference between a CD and a DVD disc?
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06:10<dexter>huh
06:10<dexter>i mean to ask are they any main difference in terms of programs
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06:10<jm_>!cd contents
06:10<dpkg>To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/).
06:10<jm_>of course there are
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06:19<lugal_>I installed nodejs no
06:19<lugal_>w
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06:20<lugal_>but its not the newest version and require('ws') seems not to work
06:20<SynrG>,v nodejs
06:20<judd>Package: nodejs on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.21~dfsg1-1~bpo7+1; jessie: 0.10.24~dfsg1-1; sid: 0.10.25~dfsg2-2
06:20<SynrG>is that a 0.10.24 vs. 0.10.21 feature?
06:21<SynrG>i should think require would be pretty basic ...
06:21<SynrG>you understand not *every* library of a given language may be included in the core, right?
06:22<Q0>lugal_ you need to compile nodejs from the latest version
06:23<SynrG>http://einaros.github.io/ws/
06:23<SynrG>if that's really needed.
06:23<lugal_>I am not sure, I have the 0.10.21 version
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06:24<lugal_>ws is for making websockets, so do I need the 0.10.25 version or is because of the OS?
06:25<Q0>what port are you using for ws?
06:25<SynrG>i'm going to assume a *minor* release number bump does not add new language feature s...
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06:25<SynrG>features*
06:25<SynrG>so i should think you could just install ws as per upstream's instructions.
06:25<SynrG>and it would "just work"
06:25<lugal_>when I use command "var WebSocketServer = require('ws').Server" i get error "cannot find module ws"
06:25<Q0>nah probably not, thought he was using it from the stable repository
06:26<Q0>lugal_ did you install ws?
06:26<SynrG>lugal_: debian does not package *every* library for *every* language.
06:26<Q0>lugal_ try npm install ws
06:26<SynrG>lugal_: the things not in debian (node-ws) you need to install yourself from upstream.
06:26<SynrG>just as per the link i gave you
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06:29<OdyX>What would be a good git hosting software on stable. AFAIK gitlab or gitorious aren't there, only gitolite, but it's too geeky for my use already.
06:29<OdyX>?
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06:30<lugal_># npm install ws -> bash: npm: command not found
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06:30<rostam>HI using preseeding for install automation. Is it possible to set the command line prompt from preseed file? thx
06:32<lugal_>why is npm not found? how can I use it?
06:34<jm_>rostam: you can run custom commands during preseesing so a lot is possible
06:34<rostam>jm_ thanks
06:35<jm_>rostam: see the very bottom http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/example-preseed.txt
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06:37<SynrG>lugal_: install npm?
06:37<SynrG>,v npm
06:37<judd>Package: npm on i386 -- jessie: 1.3.10~dfsg-1; sid: 1.3.10~dfsg-1
06:37<SynrG>hmmm ...
06:37<SynrG>problematic :)
06:37<lugal_>apt-get install npm? I tried that cant find that either
06:37<SynrG>yeah. not backported.
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06:38<SynrG>i'm not a nodejs user. maybe there's a non-npm way to install nodejs things? or maybe you can install npm from source ... or maybe you can attempt a simple backport:
06:38<SynrG>!ssb
06:38<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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06:38<SynrG>lugal_: if you're doing nodejs development you may be happier with jessie for this.
06:38<lugal_>whats jessie?
06:38<SynrG>otherwise, i think you're going to be constantly running up against stuff missing in wheezy :/
06:39<SynrG>!testing
06:39<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <jessie>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <wheezy->jessie> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
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06:39<SynrG>lugal_: pay attention to those caveats. it's not for everyone.
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06:40<SynrG>lugal_: you have choices here: you can: use a mix debian packages (wheezy-backports) and things built from source ... you can build *everything* from source ...
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06:41<SynrG>lugal_: you can wait until jessie releases (still a year away). you can attempt backports of the things that you're missing ...
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06:41<SynrG>lugal_: you can work with jessie packages in a chroot (created via debootstrap). what is your end goal? education? a project you're developing? something else?
06:42<linux_>I have problem with glide and magic lamp effect. it says cannot activate them
06:42<linux_>Sysinfo for 'debian': Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae running KDE Development Platform 4.8.4 (4.8.4), CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU3.00GHz at 2999 MHz (5999 bogomips), HD: 4/16GB, RAM: 922/1009MB, 125 proc's, 10.59min up
06:43<lugal_>I use Debian to have a stable and safe system, and I want to learn programming web socket applications for chat or games...
06:44<lugal_>so do I have any risks using an unstable release?
06:44<jm_>yes
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06:46<linux_>I'm trying to ask this question for 4 days now, but nobody answer me
06:46<onaxis>#ubuntustudio
06:46<devil>lugal_: you can run stable and develop in unstable at the same time using chroot, like pbuilder
06:47<devil>linux_: cause noone knows? let me check if it works for me
06:47<devil>linux_: did you ask in #kde?
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06:47<onaxis>#ubuntustudio
06:48<linux_>There was noone on kde when I tried
06:48<devil>linux_: i can activate it here (4.12.1)
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06:48<devil>linux_: there is hundreds of people on #kde 24/7
06:48<SynrG>onaxis: if you're trying to trigger the bot, that's not how. /msg dpkg ubuntustudio
06:48<linux_>They will send me from ubuntustudio if I'm not using that
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06:49<devil>linux_: well, this is debian, so you are in the wrong place here as well
06:49<SynrG>er?
06:49<devil>linux_: #kde is on freenode
06:49<linux_>Sysinfo for 'debian': Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae running KDE Development Platform 4.8.4 (4.8.4), CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU3.00GHz at 2999 MHz (5999 bogomips), HD: 4/16GB, RAM: 907/1009MB, 124 proc's, 18.4min up
06:49<SynrG>when did linux_ say he was using ubuntustudio?
06:49<SynrG>linux_: onaxis wasn't talking to you. i dealt with him
06:49<devil>SynrG: oh, got that wrong way around :)
06:50<SynrG>yes
06:50<linux_>I'm using Debian. I downloaded the kde version. It came with that environment
06:50<SynrG>no problem. momentary misunderstanding :)
06:50<devil>linux_: i misread you.
06:51<devil>linux_: like I said, I can activate the effect here, but different on a much more current kde version, so that does not help
06:51<linux_>I'm on #kde as well now and I'm the only one on the list
06:51<SynrG>!tell lugal_ about debootstrap
06:51<devil>linux_: on freenode?
06:51<SynrG>!tell lugal_ about pbuildere
06:51<devil>linux_: they are not on oftc
06:51<jm_>try #debian-kde instead
06:51<SynrG>lugal_: for your situation, i think devil's advice is good.
06:51<linux_>devil: Let me check
06:51<devil>jm_: they do not answer
06:51<SynrG>darn, typo
06:52<SynrG>!tell lugal_ about pbuilder
06:52<SynrG>lugal_: read the info dpkg bot sent you
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06:52<linux_>devil: No i was on debian
06:52<jm_>devil: be more patient, no-one is here to help you in the next 15sec/min
06:52<devil>:)
06:52<SynrG>lugal_: if you have issues with that, ask here.
06:53<devil>jm_: i seen his question for 2 dayon #debian-kde
06:53<devil>days on...
06:53<devil>and I am not in need of help
06:53<jm_>maybe try mailing list(s) then, or BTS
06:53<devil>you want to talk to linux_
06:53<oldlaptop>linux_: #kde is on Freenode
06:54<oldlaptop>different IRC network
06:54<jm_>yes that was for linux_
06:54<linux_>oldlaptop: I'm on it
06:55<devil>linux_: then there should be hundreds of people
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06:55<linux_>devil: There are. I'm waiting
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07:00<lugal_>how to change clock time?
07:01<babilen>dpkg: tell lugal_ about set time
07:01<babilen>lugal_: I would strongly recommend to install ntp and synchronise your system clock automatically
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07:08<linux_>They sent me here from #KDE
07:08<jm_>hehe
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07:12<devil>linux_: nice :)
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07:14<devil>linux_: the problem is most probably glide,. did you try opengl or xrender? (I might be totaly off on this, never used glide)
07:14<linux_>devil: Yes both. Actually when I tried OpenGL and logged out and in it switched back to Xrender automatically
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07:15<devil>linux_: what gfx-chip is that?
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07:16<linux_>devil: How do you mean gfx-chip. gpu?
07:16<devil>your GPU
07:16<linux_>Radeon 9600
07:17<devil>and you are using what driver?
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07:17<linux_>Should I install KDE-full?
07:17<devil>no
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07:18<devil>and you are using what driver?
07:18<linux_>I'm sure it's not setting problem. Something is missing
07:18<linux_>Default which comes whith Wheezy 7.3 KDE ISO
07:19<devil>linux_: so not the proprietary driver? if so, is firmware-linux-nonfree installed
07:20<linux_>I don't think so. I don't find it in Apper
07:20<devil>linux_: you need to add non-free to your sources
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07:21<devil>after that: apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree
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07:21<devil>that might do the trick
07:21<linux_>I'm looking for the repo
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07:22<devil>linux_: just add the word non-free to your debian line in sources.list
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07:28<linux_>devil: I did. Same thing happen. Should I restart or Logout?
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07:38<musca>linux_: spelling matters, but your packagemanager does not depend on your users desktop session.
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07:39<linux_>musca: What do you mean?
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07:41<leor>hi
07:42<leor>someone?
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07:42<jm_>!ask
07:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
07:43-!-mode/#debian [+l 666] by debhelper
07:43<leor>Im making deb files with a friend that can be added to Debian's repository but we don't know where to go
07:44<musca>linux_: after changing your sources.list you simply need to update your packagelists, but a restart would be useless, i think.
07:44<themill>dpkg: tell leor about nmg
07:45<leor>the idea is give our debs to Debian's team so they can be included on their repository
07:45<leor>if authorized of course
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07:48<themill>leor: is this for existing packages or for new packages you are creating?
07:51<linux_>I give up
07:51<leor>for packages that still don't exist on the deb format
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07:53<leor>for example software that could be useful for some people but there's only the tar.gz which is not helpful for many users
07:53<hadret>leor: check http://mentors.debian.net/
07:54<themill>leor: debian doesn't want single uploads of new packages, it needs people who want to maintain the package for years to come. The information in the new maintainer's guide and at mentors.debian.net will help you
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07:58<SynrG>leor: it might help if we knew what the software is, too.
07:58<leor>themill: Thank you very much! This is all the help I needed
07:58<SynrG>i.e. there are people here (potentially) with interest ...
07:59<SynrG>leor: if you have debian users asking for your software in debian, get them to at least file an RFP bug per package against the wnpp
07:59<SynrG>!tell leor about wnpp
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07:59<SynrG>!tell leor about rfp
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08:00<nisim>freevents x56 sound card does not work please help
08:00<nisim>philips
08:00<SynrG>!not work
08:00<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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08:01<nisim>download ubuntu 12.04 and i guess an not find the proper driver
08:02<planetmaker>if you use ubuntu, you might ask in #ubuntu ;)
08:02<SynrG>!ubuntuirc nisim
08:02<dpkg>nisim: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
08:02<nisim>sorry
08:02<leor>SynrG: software like the Jahshaka (the new version), formatjunkie, birdfont and many others including also libs that in my opinion they are important because cretain things that we could be able to install are incomplete because they don't exist or on the repository or on the .deb format
08:02<Guest328> Every time I want to run something as administrator I get this message: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keydolphin: cannot connect to X server :0
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08:03<themill>dpkg: tell Guest328 about gksu
08:03<themill>Guest328: in general though, running things like dolphin as root isn't a great idea
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08:04<SynrG>leor: interesting. jahshaka "the new version" is where? i went to sf.net and found only a release from 2006 ...
08:05<SynrG>never mind. found it :)
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08:07<SynrG>leor: so, that one, at least, looks GPL-2 and theoretically is eligible. it looks non-trivial so it might help to have a packaging team that involves at least one experienced debian maintainer.
08:08<SynrG>leor: but the #debian-mentors folks will get you oriented.
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08:10<leor>SynrG: Jahshaka 3 from 2014 hasn't been released yet and for what I know the developer of that program have a big preference for Fedora so he is only making package releases in .run, .sh and .rpm
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08:12<SynrG>leor: i see. so it is premature to file an RFP for that, i guess.
08:13<SynrG>leor: but if any of the others on your list are ready (i didn't check them all, just the first) do file an RFP per
08:13<SynrG>which you can retitle as ITP when you kick-start your effort to do the actual packaging
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08:16<Maulkin>Whelp, looks like I'm not going to have to set up a GR today then.
08:16<Maulkin>Um, ww
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08:17<leor>SynrG: That sounds a little complicated for a starter, guess I'll have a lot to do for today haha
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08:19<SynrG>leor: well, as i said, discuss the particulars with #debian-mentors. yes, you probably don't want to start with this particular package :)
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08:20<SynrG>leor: also, some of us here also hang out on #debian-mentors ...
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08:33<leor>SynrG: Thank you
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08:38<leor>one more thing that I think it may be needed is Burg which is a more beautiful alternative to Grub2 :)
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08:39<leor>there are plenty of .deb's of it but it isn't on any of debian repo's
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09:34<yogthr>when having spun down a device via "echo 1 > sys/class/block/sdX/device/delete", can I reactivate it again, since /sys/class/block/sdX/ has disappeared since?
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09:36<petn-randall>yogthr: What are you trying to achieve? You didn't spin it down, you removed a HDD from the system.
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09:38<yogthr>petn-randall: on freenode, one adviced me to use hdparm for this the next time when I only wish to spin it down. How can I make the kernel to reacknowledge the device?
09:39<yogthr>is it possible without rebooting the system?
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09:40<txt-file>yogthr: maybe with reattaching it … but only guessing
09:41<yogthr>txt-file: it's within the laptop's primary hd slot :)
09:41<petn-randall>yogthr: http://www.sakana.fr/blog/2009/05/04/linux-sata-hot-plug-unplug/
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09:42<petn-randall>yogthr: As a rule of thumb, if you're poking around /sys, /proc or /dev as root, you should have a good understanding of what your doing. You should check the documentation before running such commands blindly. You could have easily hosed your system.
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09:43<petn-randall>yogthr: So you want to spin down the device once? You're still leaving out a lot of context which we need to give you a satisfying answer.
09:44<yogthr>petn-randall: thanks :) rescanned and worked
09:44<yogthr>petn-randall: would you recommend using hdparm the next time?
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09:44<petn-randall>yogthr: Maybe? You still didn't provide context ...
09:46<yogthr>My mother is running a system from stick of which she only uses the internal HD one every few days while the laptop is running most of the time.
09:46<yogthr>*once every few days
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09:46<yogthr>I wish to only spin it up when shee needs data from the mechanical drive
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09:47<petn-randall>yogthr: I see. Then it would make sense to set the drive in /etc/hdparm.conf to automatically spin down when the disk hasn't been used for 5 minutes.
09:48<petn-randall>yogthr: Check the man page to 'hdparm' and 'hdparm.conf' how to do that.
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09:48<yogthr>petn-randall: I am on that :) thanks
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09:49<petn-randall>yogthr: You're looking for '-B' and '-S' in 'man hdparm'. Good luck :)
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09:50<yogthr>petn-randall: hdparm is perfect for this particular purpose. Thanks a bunch.
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09:55<petn-randall>yogthr: You may need to restart if any of the filesystems on that disk were mounted when you ejected it.
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10:18<kardan>I installed my printer driver using multiarch and would like to remove multiarch again. is this possible as long as the driver is installed?
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10:21*kardan would like to get rid of i386 sources to minimize downloads
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10:22<kardan>or should I add [arch=amd64] to all lines in sources.list?
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10:31<TobiX>kardan: Well, you can't use "dpkg --remove-architecture i386" because that will will as long as there are i386 packages installed - so editing sources.list is probably the only way...
10:31<kardan>ok
10:32<kardan>works fine but I it needed some time until I found the entries in sources.list.d
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10:33*kardan doesn't know where /etc/apt/sources.list.d/auto-addfirmware.list comes from
10:34<kardan>which contains http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy contrib non-free - I just commented it
10:34<petn-randall>kardan: Are you on a really constrained uplink, e.g. a satellite link? Other wise it won't be worth the trouble.
10:35<kardan>petn-randall, I am limited to 7kb via gprs/edge so it actually is worth the trouble :)
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10:35<petn-randall>kardan: I see. Installing libreoffice updates must be fun. Are they through yet? ;)
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10:36*kardan wonders how one can survive at the speed but it actually works quite well - there is more time for other things ..
10:36<firechariot>Hello, I'm curious, if my system language were altered to French, then I'm curious, would the terminal work within the context of French, also the system info itself as it booted?
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10:37<petn-randall>kardan: Like making coffee? Drinking coffee? Going to the bathroom? I've heard idling on IRC doesn't take any bandwidth ;)
10:37<ftzdomino>hi, i'm trying to figure out what replaces logrotate in atop 1.26-1 and newer. i can't find anything in the man pages about it having a built in way to specify how many files it keeps
10:37<kardan>To install debian-edu I used a one day flat for 2€. I think that was worth it. It's a shame to squeeze internet users that way, though.
10:38<kardan>petn-randall, exactly :)
10:39<kardan>also I have a big table for doing paintings and writing stuff which is fabulous
10:39<ftzdomino>also, am i correct in assuming that an old (non-EFI) bios can't boot off of a 4TB partition? i was getting an error about the ELF header being smaller than expected
10:40<kardan>less bandwidth = less time on youtube => great
10:40<ftzdomino>the errors went away when i moved the boot partition over to a 1GB partition on a different volume
10:41<kardan>ftzdomino, for the language thing try 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'
10:42<kardan>if french is set to system language than all messages should appear in french as far as they have been translated.
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10:42<jellybean>Hello everyone, I'm in need of some help. I installed debian on a new machine, everything is working fine but I'm having issues with the audio, I installed pulseaudio as suggested on the wiki. I have a USB headset, I'd like debian to use that by default and also to have a way to switch to my speakers. At the moment it seem to be using the HDMI, which isn't even plugged to anything so I have no audio at all. In pavucontrol the volume line is moving, so te
10:43<kardan>jellybean, enter more returns :)
10:43<jellybean>I'm sorry, I have no way to see where my message stopped, I'll start over.
10:43<petn-randall>ftzdomino: Legacy BIOS/grub can't boot off boot partitions larger than 2 TB.
10:44<leor>jellybean, 32 or 64 bit?
10:44<jellybean>leor: 64
10:44<petn-randall>jellybean: It ended after "the volume line is moving, so te"
10:44<petn-randall>jellybean: Generally it's good to write it all in one line, but in this case your IRC client failed to split it up or warn you.
10:44<jellybean>petn-randall: Thank you.
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10:45<jellybean>so technically it should be sending audio somewhere, just not where it should. If I click to change speaker I can change it to something else, poorly translated from my language "internal audio stereo analog". I have no way to figure out if the microphone is working, but I doubt it since it's the headset microphone.
10:45<jellybean>The headset doesn't show in pavucontrol or on the shell with lsusb, it does show in alsamixer tho. On alsamixer when hitting the highest volume I can hear a beep from the headset.
10:45<jellybean>Alsamixer doesn't have an option for the speakers, only "HDA ATI SB", the headset, the webcam and the HDMI. Any suggestion will be much appreciated.
10:45<petn-randall>ftzdomino: atop doesn't replace logrotate.
10:45<jellybean>And that was it :)
10:45<leor>jellybean, first check the alsa mixer if Master have the sound enabled, if not then check with pavu control which you may need to install
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10:46<jellybean>leor: Pavucontrol is installed. On alsamixer the audio is enabled.
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10:48<jellybean>Also, I did check on pavucontrol, it is not muted and it isn't showing the output options I intend to use.
10:49<leor>jellybean, that might be some lib missing required by your hardware
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10:50<ftzdomino>petn, the logrotate.d script was removed in 1.26, but i can't find a way to get atop to remove its own files periodically
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10:50<leor>you have alsa-firmware-loaders installed?
10:50<jellybean>leor: I am not sure about that. Alsamixer do show the option for my headset and when I lower and higher back the volume I do hear a beep from it. I just can't hear anything else from any other program.
10:50<jellybean>I'll check.
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10:51<jellybean>I didn't, installing now, I'll check how it goes and report back.
10:51<jellybean>Should I reboot after installation?
10:52<leor>jellybean, ok, is need to restart the pulseaudio service, not sure if need to reboot
10:52<jellybean>I'll just reboot the system, it won't hurt. I'll be back soon-ish.
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10:55<jellybean>Back. It didn't seem to change the situation. The headset is still not showing in pavucontrol.
10:56<kardan>wow, european wall is back https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/1780882_588817601194665_70934175_n.jpg
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11:00<leor>jellybean, with me works fine from the begining and Im with my own distro based on Testing (future Jessie)
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11:00<leor>jellybean, what is the model of your sound card?
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11:01<jellybean>leor: My soundcard is integrated with the mobo, which is a "gigabyte 970A-D3"
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11:08<leor>jellybean, type this '/usr/sbin/alsactl init' (without quotes) and paste here the result
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11:10<jellybean>Oh. The result is that now the speaker works fine. I'll paste the output too: "Found hardware: "HDA-Intel" "VIA VT2020" "HDA:11060441,1458a014,00100100" "0x1458" "0xa014"
11:10<jellybean>Hardware is initialized using a generic method"
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11:11<jellybean>I still need to add an option on pavucontrol for my headset tho, do you think it's doable?
11:11<jellybean>Also, do I need to launch that command everytime? Should I put it in my startup commands?
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11:15<leor>jellybean, no idea, sorry :(
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11:17<jellybean>leor: It's ok, you helped a lot already. I'll ask for further assistance later, hoping that someone else can help, or on a forum. Thank you very much.
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11:19<jellybean>I'm going to reboot to make sure that I don't need to use that command everytime, later, thanks again leor :)
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11:19<WhiteNight>Hi, is there a replacement for xfce4-xfapplet-plugin in sid?
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11:28<jellybean>leor: on the bright side I don't need to use that command each time I boot my system.
11:29<petn-randall>WhiteNight: jessie/sid are supported in #debian-next, ask there.
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11:31<leor>jellybean, at least a good thing, but from my experience is some lib or some firmware stuff that is required for your hardware in specific
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11:33<jellybean>leor, you see, I would agree with that if it didn't play any sound on alsamixer.
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11:40<leor>jellybean, wine could play from the speakers but no sound on any other device and not even on applications and games until install libwine-alsa for example
11:41<leor>jellybean, sometimes is a thing so minimal that we barely notice
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11:58<me>Sometimes when I try to install a copy of debian via debootstrap, I get the following error : "Invalid Release Signature: 8AJC..." does this imply MITM attack?
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11:59<me>If I wait a few seconds and try again, everything works fine...
11:59<SamB>me: it could just be a mirror in an invalid state or something
11:59<me>ok, thanks SamB
11:59<SamB>though, a few seconds sounds a bit soon for that to go away
11:59<me>I was just curious. It seems to happen more on some networks I am on than others...
11:59<SamB>what mirror are you using?
12:00<me>Literally, one second later and it is fine.
12:01<mando>hi
12:01<mando>i want help
12:01<SynrG>!ask
12:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:02<me>SamB: I am using ftp.us.debian.org
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12:02<mando>i want to be pentester i want 1 show me th road
12:03<SamB>me: ah, I believe that one actually goes to any of several different mirrors, which could certainly cause this problem
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12:03<me>SamB: ok, thanks for the info.
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12:14<petn-randall>mando: Can you program?
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12:32<nocturnal>hey guys I've installed encfs and libpam-encfs. I have created two mounts in my home that work manually but I can't figure out libpam-encfs. here are the two lines I added to /etc/security/pam_encfs.conf http://sprunge.us/ROAU
12:33-!-mode/#debian [+l 672] by debhelper
12:33<nocturnal>and this in pam http://sprunge.us/jJOV
12:33<nocturnal>the xdm was just me trying a long shot
12:33<nocturnal>in common-auth it's first
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12:40<me>noctural: encfs was always tricky for me... I like using cryptsetup instead to just do an entire partition and call it good...
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12:40<nocturnal>ok
12:41<nocturnal>encfs itself is pretty easy in wheezy but it's libpam-encfs that I can't figure out
12:41<nocturnal>does cryptsetup have automatic mount on login?
12:41<nocturnal>using pam?
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12:42<petn-randall>Which Debian ISO would be a good one to fix a system? netinst doesn't come with fsck and other program in the rescue environment.
12:42<nocturnal>rescue iso
12:43<nocturnal>netinst is just for installing
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12:44<nocturnal>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/
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12:45<petn-randall>Ah, thanks for pointing that out, nocturnal.
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12:50<abrotman>what? the netinst is a rescue disc
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12:56<nocturnal>no
12:56<nocturnal>there's an iso called rescue
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13:00<petn-randall>abrotman: Well, it has a rescue mode, but is of limited value. It can only really assemble the RAID/LVM of the rootfs, and chroot into it.
13:00<petn-randall>abrotman: If your RAID is hosed it's a little tricky to fix your filesystem without fsck.
13:02<abrotman>it's not in busybox?
13:02<abrotman>guess not
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13:58<rostam>HI I have two network interfaces , eth0 and eth1. how could I make sure eth0 is the main interface?
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13:59<dualbus>rostam: routing tables determine which interface to use for which target
14:00<dualbus>additionally, if eth0 is the default gateway, then all traffic will be routed through it, unless explicitly routed otherwise, or if your target is in the eth1 lan
14:00<rostam>dualbus, the eth0 is dhcp, and eth1 is set static
14:03<SamB>rostam: what do you mean by "main"?
14:04<SamB>if you mean "the one used to try to reach Internet", then just configure eth1 appropriately ...
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14:05<SamB>rostam: what are you using to manage your net configuration, N-M or /etc/network/interfaces ?
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14:23<alumno>hola
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14:49<keep>aqui
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14:49<keep>Hum nova aqui
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14:50<keep>alguém fala cmg?
14:50<keep>kkkkk
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14:50<keep>Oie
14:50<keep>Opa !
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14:50<Maulkin>Quite
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15:09<petn-randall>!es
15:09<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
15:09<petn-randall>Oh, he left. >_>
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15:10<toastal>Hello people. Never does Nvidia drivers work the first time. I'm wondering if anyone could help out with drivers and "no screen found" at `startx`. This is the 5th machine I've tried to set up with the proprietary drivers. Refollowed the wiki and did a fair amount of Googling.
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15:11<frangor>nouveau not found?
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15:11<toastal>No nouveau issues this time around.
15:11<ahalverson>Does debian support UEFI/SecureBoot
15:12<babilen>toastal: Sounds as if your card is not supported by the driver you installed (assuming you followed https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers (
15:12<babilen>ahalverson: the former
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15:12<babilen>toastal: did you check that it is listed? Did you try the driver version in backports?
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15:12<ahalverson>babilen: Which bootloader does it use by default?
15:12<babilen>grub
15:12<babilen>(2)
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15:13<ahalverson>babilen: Can you install ELILO?
15:14<babilen>judd: v elilo
15:14<judd>Package: elilo on i386 -- squeeze: 3.12-4; wheezy: 3.14-2; jessie: 3.14-3; sid: 3.14-3
15:14<babilen>ahalverson: ^^
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15:14<toastal>babilen: according to http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/304.88/README/supportedchips.html my card is supported (but I'm trying to use 319.82 from unstable)
15:15<babilen>toastal: From unstable?
15:15<ahalverson>babilen: lol, it says i386 xD(since UEFI is rarely used on i386)
15:15<ahalverson>thanks guys
15:15<babilen>ahalverson: Doesn't matter .. it's available on amd64 too
15:15<ahalverson>its just funny :D
15:15<babilen>judd: v elilo --arch amd64
15:15<judd>Package: elilo on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.12-4; wheezy: 3.14-2; jessie: 3.14-3; sid: 3.14-3
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15:16<toastal>babilen: ya, I'm on Sid
15:16<babilen>toastal: Oh, you want #debian-next then (cf. /topic )
15:16<toastal>babilen: kk man
15:17<babilen>toastal: And we would need your Xorg.0.log ... but I'll be afk for a while now. Plenty of other people in that channel though, so just ask there ;D
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15:39<teabagg>quit
15:39<teabagg>exit
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15:40<teabagg>how do i sign out?
15:40<towo`>/part
15:40<towo`>/quit
15:40<teabagg>thanks
15:40<teabagg>?quit
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15:40<ompaul>towo`: and then it tried to troll you again ;-)
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15:41<kardan>my printer is connected via ethernet, the driver is installed, they are in the same subnet, it is shown as active, there is no error message in the log, but nothing is printed - how can I find out what is wrong?
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15:42<ompaul>kardan: nmap the ip of the printer, also throw your browser at the ip of the printer
15:42<ompaul>kardan: this checks if the printer is there - but you say driver is installed ... what printer is it?
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15:43<Xylon>I wonder why chromium displays Chinese letters as boxes, when other programs like Iceweasel and Emacs display them fine?
15:43<kardan>I can ping it and nmap shows ports 21 23 80 515 9100 to be open. the web interface shows "404 Not Found"
15:44<kardan>MFC-465CN
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15:45<kardan>the driver is for 32bit but I installed it on amd64 http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/before.html#004 maybe this makes something
15:45<ompaul>well the web page should be visible
15:46<towo`>kardan, sure this makes something
15:46<towo`>kardan, the only thing you need ia a ppd-file
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15:48<ompaul>towo`: it's a scanner also ...
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15:48<ompaul>kardan: it might mean something
15:48<towo`>it will be hard to get that working, with the 32bit packages
15:49<towo`>for printing the ppd will help
15:49<ompaul>towo`: a routed vm w32bit pointing to the machine?
15:49<towo`>for scanning sane-project.org will know more
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15:50<towo`>a vm as last ressort, maybe
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15:50<towo`>i would not go for that
15:51<ompaul>towo`: I'd be checking my printers before I buy them - but there is my only reasoned idea based on the blobs
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15:58<kardan>cups shows "Waiting for printer to become available." - I reinstalled the printer with ppd from the debs Idle: "/usr/lib/cups/filter/commandtops failed"
15:59<kardan>"Unable to auto-configure PostScript Printer - no bidirectional I/O available!"
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16:03<kardan>setting default options "broken pipe", log shows "failed to CreateProfile: org.freedesktop.ColorManager.AlreadyExists:profile id 'Brother_MFC-465CN-Gray..' already exists" & "Bad resolution "Highest" for printer Brother_MFC-465CN."
16:03<kardan>don't know if this is important
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16:18<ompaul>kardan: if you are loading modules that your kernel wants you need to restart that also (reboot) but I don't think that is going to help too much
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16:19<kardan>are printer drivers really loaded by the kernel?
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16:21<ompaul>if you don't do them as ppd files they can be - it depends on what they do
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16:21<ompaul>drivers usually imply that - however ppd files plain text
16:21<ompaul>cups just takes them in and gets on with it - I have not supported a brother - and won't
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16:24<rostam>SamB sorrty for late response, I use /etc/network/interfaces
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16:25<jh>Anyone know anything about the email client mutt and handling the URI in email messages?
16:26<SamB>rostam: well, I think you'll be fine as long as you don't give eth1 a "gateway" line
16:26<jh>I want to open the URI using a selection of different browsers not just the default browser.
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16:27<rostam>SamB, I have so you think that might be the issue?
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16:28<SamB>rostam: You added "gateway" for an interface you don't want Internet-bound packets routed to? Yes, that would cause a problem.
16:28<rostam>SamB, thanks so much.
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16:32<rostam>SamB, I just verified it worked just fine. thanks so much again.
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16:33<SamB>No problem. (Well, ok, I had a slight problem trying to get my vocabulary to work earlier ;-P)
16:34<me>is there anyone here that know something about loopback devices ? /dev/loop0 ?
16:35<stderr>me: Maybe...
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16:35<Maulkin>me: Just ask about what you're trying to do, and the problem you're having :)
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16:39<me>I am mounting encrypted files on loop0, loop1 etc. using luks...
16:39<me>do I have to worry about unmounting properly? Could I harm the data if I just hit "eject"
16:39<me>in the thunar filemanager
16:40<rryoumaa>i would like a small statically-compiled hash generator (sha1 or better) like sha1sum or openssl(1). what binary or binary modifier should i use?
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16:42<me>sorry guys... bad question... I figured it out...
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16:44<me>ok, let me try again... is it possible to allow non-root users to mount disk images on the loopback devices? loop0,loop1, etc. ?
16:46<trico>http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/2011/10/loop-mount-iso-files-without-being-root.html
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16:46<trico>looks like its worth a shot
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16:47<PinnacleDawn>Hey
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16:50<stderr>trico: That's only for ISO images.
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16:51<trico>really? the blog says it supports a couple other formats
16:51<stderr>Ok, "CD" images...
16:52<stderr>I think "me" is looking for something that can mount encrypted filesystems as non-root.
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16:53<trico>oh. encrypted how? luks? truecrypt? ecryptfs?
16:53<Lightkey>rot13?
16:53<stderr><me> I am mounting encrypted files on loop0, loop1 etc. using luks...
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16:56<trico>if there on devices present at book, you should be able to put them in fstab and crypttab. if they on usb or something external, i think you need to make some custom udev rules
16:56<oem>cristiano
16:56<oem>vida loka
16:56<oem> retqete
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16:57<trico>*there, *boot damn my spelling sucks today
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16:58<stderr>They're?
16:58<stderr>:-)
16:58<trico>right...
16:58<PinnacleDawn>what are you guys talking about?
16:58<stderr>Even if they're not, "noauto,user" might be enough.
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16:59<stderr>PinnacleDawn: Debian...
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16:59<PinnacleDawn>oh ok
16:59<PinnacleDawn>im on ubuntu
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17:00<stderr>PinnacleDawn: Then you want the Ubuntu IRC channel, if you have any questions. This channel is only for Debian support.
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17:01<PinnacleDawn>right i'll check it out
17:01<PinnacleDawn>thanks for the help
17:01<rostam>SamB, after reboot it went back to the same issue, Here is the my /etc/network/interfaces http://paste.debian.net/78915/ I like eth0 to be default gateway? thx
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17:01<Lightkey>oh yes, "user", used that too once for a HDD and then wondered why I could not start something I had compiled there
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17:02<me>stderr: yes, I can mount on the loopback with luks too, except after I type in the passphrase to decrypt the file, it asks for the root password inorder to mount the contents....
17:02<me>I know the root password, but I would like to set it up so I didn't need to enter it...
17:03<stderr>Lightkey: "exec" should help with that problem.
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17:03<me>just like when I mount a usb flash drive
17:03<Lightkey>stderr: I know that now :-)
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17:04<stderr>rostam: Can you post the output of "ip route" or "route -n" too?
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17:06<rostam>stderr, sure I need to go back to lab I be back shorlty, but I can tell you it has eth1 as default route.
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17:07<stderr>Without specifying a gateway?
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17:07<rostam>stderr, yes, without specifing the gateway.
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17:08<stderr>So what address does it use as gateway? And how does it know about using that address?
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17:11<rostam>stderr, I think I better as you requested to get the output of the route. I will be going to lab shorlty thank you for trying to help me.
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17:13<stderr>rostam: Yes, it's easier to help, if you're near the machine you want to fix. Or if you at least can ssh to it.
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17:15<rostam>stderr: will do thanks
17:16<me>stderr: any thoughts on non-root mounting on loopback?
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17:17<stderr>me: Besides "noauto,user" in /etc/fstab?
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17:31<me>stderr, when I "losetup" the file to loop0 it appears in the file manager (thunar) sidebar... I then click on it to access it. It asks for the passphrase to decrypt, then the root password to mount...
17:32<stderr>Ok... Have you tried using fstab or crypttab?
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17:34<trico>stderr: i dont think those will help him if he has a usb... i think he needs to use udev, or maybe put him self in sudoers wheel?
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17:35<stderr>trico: You don't think "noauto,user" as options in fstab is enough?
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17:38<trico>no, he needs something to do the luksOpen first
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17:41<alp_>Hello, I need some help with bluetooth connection, I've paired two devices but cant enstablish a connection
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17:44<trico>me: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=94153
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17:47<me>stderr: I've only used the fstab and crypttab for hdd partitions... then they do not appear in the file manager and are part of the filesystem under /mnt. In this case, I want to use the loop0 as a convenient meants for managing encrypted archives
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17:48<me>If I am the root user, it works exactly how I want... normally I am not root, but a standard user
17:48<stderr>http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netsecur/article.php/3683011/Protect-Your-Stuff-With-Encrypted-Linux-Partitions.htm
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17:49<stderr>Especially the "Making it Available to Users" part where it mentions fstab, noauto and user.
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17:53<stderr>Anyway, I need to get to work early tomorrow, so I'm out...
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17:54<jchaoul>does Debian's anacron(8) also read the files in /etc/cron.{hourly,daily,weekly,monthly}?
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17:55<jchaoul>if not, why does /etc/crontab check for anacron(8)'s existence with, e.g., ``test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily )''?
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17:56<jchaoul>maybe /etc/crontab is used by both cron(8) and anacron(8) ?
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17:57<themill>jchaoul: it doesn't, see /etc/anacrontab
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17:57<jchaoul>hmm? themill?
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17:57<jchaoul>then why?
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18:01<jchaoul>themill: Why does /etc/crontab check for anacron(8)'s existence with, e.g., ``test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily )''?
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18:01<themill>did you look at /etc/anacrontab?
18:01<jchaoul>Yes
18:02<themill>So you'll see that anacrontab contains entries that will cause /etc/cron.{daily,weekly,monthly}/* to be run
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18:16<rostam>stderr, finally I got it here is the route info: http://paste.debian.net/78924/ thx
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18:18<stderr>rostam: I was on my way to bed, but I got 2 seconds... I can't see the problem.
18:18<rostam>stderr, thanks
18:19<rostam>so something else is wrong I will dig more thank you any way
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18:19<stderr>I don't think I did anything, but you're welcome...
18:20<jchaoul>themill: Sir, perhaps first off: can cron(8) and anacron(8) be used simultaniously, on Debian?
18:21<jchaoul>themill: (can be, or are)
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18:22<jchaoul>themill: must be, otherwise there is no need to check for anacron(8)'s existence in /etc/crontab, of course no?
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18:23<kardan>"Note: If you use x86_64, you must install lib32-libcups (from the multilibs repository) for this printer driver to work! When lib32-libcups is not installed, the printer refuses to print, but no error message is given." => there is no such library in wheezy/debian
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18:27<kardan>probably I am on a dead end
18:28<jchaoul>anyone? themill?
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18:29<themill>jchaoul: you don't want cron.daily to run twice per day, do you?
18:30<themill>kardan: that's probably the libcups2:i386 package you'd install using multiarch (/msg dpkg multiarch)
18:31<kardan>I activated multiarch - should I install this library for i386 instead of amd64?
18:31<themill>you should be able to install it for both archs
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18:32<kardan>E: Version 'i386' for 'libcups2' was not found - not in main, maybe in contrib
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18:36<jchaoul>themill: i didnt get you
18:36<kardan>.. wrong syntax, libcups2:i386 instead of libcups2=i386
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18:44<Celelibi>Hey guys
18:44<themill>jchaoul: the lines in /etc/crontab prevent cron from running cron.*/* directly, if anacron is installed; /etc/anacrontab gets anacron to run those jobs for you. If /etc/crontab didn't prevent those entries from being run then they could easily be run twice rather than only once.
18:44<jchaoul>themill: i didnt get you
18:45<Celelibi>Recently I rebooted and my right Ctrl now produce ISO_Level5_Shift key code.
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18:46<Celelibi>It did this on both my computers (with debian). Thus I guess it's an update that changed something.
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18:48<jchaoul>themill: I understand BUT it could also have been that cron(8) and anacron(8) could not co-exist
18:48<jchaoul>themill: dont you agree?
18:49<themill>no
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18:49<jchaoul>why so sir
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18:50<jchaoul>themill: in which case the checks for the existence of anacron(8) in /etc/crontab would not have made sense
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18:52<jchaoul>themill: The lines checking for the existence of anacron(8) in /etc/crontab would also have made sense if that very file would've been used by both cron(8) and anacron(8)
18:53<themill>not really
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18:53<themill>If anacron used /etc/crontab (which it doesn't), why would you want to prevent those jobs from being run by anacron?
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18:55<jchaoul>one can make an OS with cron(8) and anacron(8) XOR'ed
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18:56<themill>That would still make testing for the existence of anacron in /etc/crontab pointless
18:56<Celelibi>dafuq is that fifth shift level?
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20:07<backbox>why cant my backbox install
20:08<backbox>help
20:08<backbox>pleas
20:08<backbox>e
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20:16<oldlaptop>I wonder what a backbox is
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20:16<SamB>hmm, should I have asked "do you mean blackbox"?
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20:17<SamB>it only just now occurred to me that it might have been an accidental misspelling
20:17<themill>Yet Another Derivative
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20:22<delight>can someone recommend a voip client to me ? I would like to use it with www.freevoipdeal.com
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20:24<delight>its a dellont voip reseller
20:24<delight>dellmont
20:26<abrotman>delight: Do you need help with Debian?
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20:27<delight>abrotman: well I use debian ;) but I got your hint
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21:03<levinster>hey all
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21:05<levinster>abrotman: you available?
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21:05<abrotman>hi?
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21:05<levinster>I was talking to you the other day about wifi issues
21:06<levinster>I finally got around to checking my kernel version
21:06<levinster>3.2.0-4-686-pae
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21:08<levinster>do you know if that is current? or should I attempt to upgrade like u suggested the other day?
21:08<abrotman>that's current in wheezy
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21:08<levinster>hmm ok
21:09<abrotman>dpkg: tell levinster about wheezy-backports
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21:11<levinster>where can I check to see if anyone else is having issues with wifi going unresponsive with intel wifi 4965agn hardware?
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21:28<oddman621>google
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21:32<levinster>is this the wrong place to be asking support questions for debian?
21:33<abrotman>levinster: use the backports kernel and backports firmwrae
21:33<Infiltrator>levinster: It is not. I think what oddman621 means is that you should try a web search first (he is assuming that you have not).
21:33<levinster>ok just wanted to make sure I wasn't disturbing the peace.
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21:34<oldlaptop>levinster: People in FOSS support channels/forums/etc generally like it if you at least search the Web for answers first
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21:35<oldlaptop>because you often aren't the first one to have an issue
21:36<oldlaptop>many communities also have some official documentation you probably should read too
21:36<oldlaptop>(which is where the infamous "RTFM" comes from...)
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21:38<levinster>I understand,
21:38<oldlaptop>there's a good essay on the topic that's often linke
21:38<oldlaptop>linked
21:38<oldlaptop>dpkg will tell you about it if you ask about "smart-questions" (/msg dpkg smart-questions)
21:38<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, oldlaptop
21:39<oldlaptop>it will also complain if you start a sentence with dpkg, apparently
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21:41<levinster>seems I defintely need to rtfm
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21:44<oldlaptop>in this case the rude initialism is STFW (search the... fine web)
21:44<abrotman>dpkg: tell levinster about backports
21:44<abrotman>dpkg: tell levinster about backports kernel
21:44<oldlaptop>oh, you can also ask the fine bot about stuff :)
21:45<oldlaptop>has lots of neat things to say
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21:46<levinster>I appreciate the wisdom im a newb not only with linux but irc as well
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