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00:05<Fidgett>ok i did it and... sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime) and then ten more lines... and the 10th line has: /dev/mapper/myvolumegroupname-home on /home type ext4 (rw,relatime,user_xattr,barrier+1,data=ordered)
00:06<rjsalts>Fidgett: sounds like you've successfully installed debian then
00:07<rjsalts>Fidgett: but you might not have installed a gui
00:07<Fidgett>line 9 end in ...relatime,errors=continue)
00:08<rjsalts>Fidgett: those are the mount options
00:08<Fidgett>there was a part where you could add stuff and i did searches for a few of the and it said on deb-pp that they were for install images only-
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00:09<rjsalts>Fidgett: add stuff?
00:10<Fidgett>add - ummm - software packages? maybe? i dont think there was a choice for a gui - so can i install one - and how? really - i was expecting this to go down as easily as my ubuntu...
00:11<Fidgett>i appreciate your help -
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00:11<Fidgett>i am appreciative beyond what i can say.
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00:12<rjsalts>Fidgett: I'm guessing you might have been looking at the extensions to the installer, for adding additional filesystems or doing remote installs via and ssh console, etc.
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00:12<Fidgett>yes ssh was an option.
00:13<Fidgett>i chose none of the "extras"
00:13<rjsalts>Fidgett: there should also have been a later section where it asked you what tasks you were going to perform. Like desktop system, laptop, etc.
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00:16<Fidgett>yes - it ONLY had two rows and they were both checked - desktop - and i think "standard install" - it is a laptop - but it gave no other options. i did notice in a part w/ words flashing too fast to read that it Did Say "Laptop detected" so i thot it was fine that i only had those two options...
00:17<rjsalts>Fidgett: that's the bit which selects what's installed. You can run that again at any time. I'd recommend running apt-get update followed by tasksel to install more stuff
00:19<rjsalts>because there should have been more than 2 options
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00:20<Fidgett>if i did it all over and did the NOT graphical install would it have a "laptop choice" and could it have not installed something for laptops? also: 2.) am i in a bash terminal? and i am not connected to the internet on that box at the moment.
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00:21<Fidgett>i Did think i should have had more options, based on one of the pages i referenced at some point earlier today...
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00:22<rjsalts>Fidgett: the number of choices will depend on the installation media you chose and your connectivity to the internet. if you have internet connectivity the installer will fetch all the tasks ( which is what the apt-get update will also achieve)
00:22<rjsalts>Fidgett: if it's not connected then you'll only get what is on the cd/usb stick/...
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00:23<Fidgett>i used debian-7.3.0-i386-CD-1.iso
00:24<Fidgett>rjsalts: am i in what is called a bash terminal?
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00:25<rjsalts>Fidgett: yeah, that's good. what did tasksel do?
00:27<Fidgett>and can i do apt-get update if i plug in the ethernet? i Am missing a networking/wireless driver... and tasksel? i don't know that either - should i type it in?
00:28<rjsalts>tasksel should be installed no matter what. You might want to run it with root, instead of your user
00:30<Fidgett>rjsalts: i am noob - it might be like a miracle that i have been using full-disk encryption for 18 months. sooooo, what should i do - how do i run root ? type sudo?
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00:34<Fidgett>rj salts: there were several other iso images to choose from - would another have more choices for laptops? i am tempted to shred with another pass and then try the NOT graphical install...
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00:43<rjsalts>Fidgett: cd 1 should be complete enough, you have a "working" install of debian. It sounds like either your X server is not working or you didn't install one
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00:44<rjsalts>Fidgett: sudo -i would work fine to get root, or su - if you don't have sudo installed
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00:46<Fidgett>rjsalts: for su - it says authentication failure. w/ user pass...
00:46<rjsalts>Fidgett: for su - you need to use the root password, not your own
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00:47<Fidgett>but am i in a bash terminal? < with :~$ > after my username and the hostname?
00:48<Fidgett>is the root password the encryption pass?
00:49<Fidgett>i only entered 2 passphrases. i for user and one for encryption.
00:49<rjsalts>Fidgett: you would have been asked for it during the install. It's not necessarily going to be the same I assume. I've not done an encrypted root myself
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00:49<jm_>are you in group sudo?
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00:53<Fidgett>rjsalts: what do think of my try-the-non-graphical-install idea? does that mean just that the install screen just son't look so graphic-y? yes? or does it mean that you want a system that is only a CLI and you never want a gui, ever?
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00:59<rjsalts>Fidgett: it just means you get a text based menu system instead of X based in the installer
00:59<rjsalts>Fidgett: it make 0 difference, all the options presented are the same
01:01<Fidgett>so how did i only get the 2 choices? and do you think the installer failed to give me something for laptops?
01:02<rjsalts>Fidgett: not sure
01:03<Fidgett>wierd... it happened twice in about 10 hours too...
01:07<jm_>did it ask you about sudo?
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01:09<Fidgett>i did try sudo - and i don't remember what the result was - then i shut it down to cool off...
01:09<Fidgett>jm_: was that for me?
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01:10<rjsalts>Fidgett: the advanced install asks if you want to set a root password
01:11<rjsalts>if you said no then sudo is the way to go
01:11<jm_>Fidgett: yes, you're the only person who needs help now
01:11<Fidgett>rjsalts: i beleive that it did NOT ask.
01:11<jm_>at least in this channel
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01:13<Fidgett>ohhhhh... i am remembering...
01:13<rjsalts>I just ran through the advanced on the netinst cd using the curses option
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01:16<Fidgett>yes... okay - i am getting too tired to make any more moves... and i am wondering if the curses option was written by a sailer.
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01:17<Fidgett>i really appreciate you all - thank you - i will be back after some sleep -
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01:17<rjsalts>Fidgett: curses is the library they use to draw "graphics" in text only
01:18<Fidgett>please keep helping noobs - linux-ify the world.
01:18<jm_>you can also reset root password btw
01:18<jm_>!i forgot root's password
01:18<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
01:18<Fidgett>rjsalts: thank you
01:19<rjsalts>he has an encrypted root, which complicates things a bit
01:19<jm_>ahh of course
01:19<Fidgett>jm_: can you set it if you never set it to begin with and on fully-encrypted boxes?
01:20<jm_>Fidgett: a) yes, b) yes, but not with that procedure, mount will be more complicated for you, perhaps d-i rescue mode or grml make it easier
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01:21<rjsalts>jm_: doesn't the installer give the user sudo if you choose not to set up root user?
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01:23<Fidgett>both [d-i rescue mode or grml] of which, i know nothing...yet. i keep learning, tho. sooooo - good night and good luck. Love the noobs.
01:23<jm_>rjsalts: yes, that's what I thought
01:24<jm_>dor d-i rescue mode look through options you get when you boot the installer (press F1 F2 etc to read about the various options)
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03:02<ditko>Hello dudes
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03:05<ditko>I'm runing debian wheezy amd 64 and I want to install program which needs glibc6 v 2.14 and 2.15 but I have 2.13 in wheezy. Do I need to upgrade my Debian to solve the problem, or do anything else?
03:06<OdyX>ditko: There can only be one libc, so you either need to recompile the software for stable, or upgrade your Debian, but no further stable version has been released...
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03:06<jm_>either that or install a newer release in chroot for example
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03:08<ditko>I dont know what is and how to install newer release in chroot
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03:08<ditko>thank you
03:09<jm_>no worries
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03:38<jalcine>how does an app require two different versions of glibc?
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03:57<sreyan32>I need to create a grub efi image on my Debian system so that I can dual boot both windows and Linux. What is the syntax ?
03:57<jm_>just install grub-efi and grub-install
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03:58<sreyan32>jm_: I dont get the bootable image of GRUB after the install it seems. I have to use grub-mkimage seperately
03:58<sreyan32>so thats why I need the syntax of creating a efi image with grub-mkimage
03:59<jm_>sreyan32: but what would you do with the image?
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03:59<sreyan32>jm_: see after installing grub I need something like grubx64.efi or bootx64.efi to plac in my EFi partition right ?
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04:00<sreyan32>jm_: so I need grub-mkimage to get that file.
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04:00<sreyan32>jm_: Got the idea from here.
04:01<sreyan32>Have a look
04:03<sreyan32>Hello is anyone here ?
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04:03<jm_>sreyan32: no, grub install shall do that for you
04:03<stderr>sreyan32: No.
04:04<Supaplex_>have a bridge interface that does not reply to ping requests. any idea why?
04:04<Supaplex_>one works, the other does not.
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04:05<sreyan32>stderr: will grub-install do that for me or do I have to use grub-mkimage ?
04:06<firechariot>hello, I have a program which has what appears to be terminal command scripts, & I would like to open the scripts to look at them without running them. Is there a person whom can explain how to do such?
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04:06<stderr>sreyan32: According to jm_, yes. I was just answering if anyone was here.
04:06<Supaplex_>firechariot: use the default pager (or less, or more, or cat). pager
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04:07<firechariot>Supaplex_, the scripts which appear terminal command scripts are just a single word without the .sh
04:07<sreyan32>stderr: I have installed grub on my EFi partition but I still cannot find the grubx64.efi file. grub-install reports no errors.
04:08<jm_>firechariot: run file on them: file filename
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04:08<sreyan32>stderr: update-grub2 is unable to detect my Windows OS though
04:08<sreyan32>stderr: will using grub-mkimage cause any problems ?
04:08<jm_>sreyan32: for windows, do you have os-prober installed? is your efi partition mounted?
04:09<Supaplex_>firechariot: replace those with '' (assuming the full path, if needed)
04:09<sreyan32>jm_: I am glad you asked. What is OS prober ? yes my efi partition is mounted.
04:09<jm_>sreyan32: apt-cache show os-prober
04:10<sreyan32>jm_: how do i install it ? apt-get install os-prober ? is this the proper command ?
04:10<firechariot>jm_, result was "$ file popup
04:10<firechariot>popup: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable"
04:10<jm_>firechariot: there you ago, all you need to know
04:10<jm_>sreyan32: the same way you install other packages
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04:10<firechariot>well, I'm trying to read the script
04:11<stderr>firechariot: less popup
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04:11<sreyan32>jm_: So according to you running "grub-install" and "update-grub2" should be enough right ?
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04:12<firechariot>gracias jm_
04:12<jm_>sreyan32: yes
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04:13<sreyan32>stderr: when "update-grub2" runs it complains that it cannot find the file "video.lst" in /boot/grub.
04:13<stderr>sreyan32: Ok.
04:13<sreyan32>stderr: is that okay ? because my grub.cfg file then ends up as blank.
04:14<stderr>Probably not. Why don't you ask jm_ who is actually trying to help you?
04:16<sreyan32>jm_: my update-grub2 complains that it cannot find "video.lst" in /boot/grub folder. How do I resolve this ?
04:16<stderr>Supaplex_: What's the netmask on .0.254?
04:17<sreyan32>jm_: I have to copy "video.lst" from my EFI partition and then put it into /boot/grub for that to stop happening.
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04:17<stderr>Supaplex_: I mean
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04:19<jm_>sreyan32: from your EFI partition? something is wrong on your system
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04:20<sreyan32>jm_: why does update-grub look for the contents of grub on /boot/grub ? thats not my efi partition. can't I tell it to for grub somewhere else ?
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04:21<stderr>Supaplex_: What routes do you have on adhd01?
04:21<jm_>sreyan32: because that's where grub files go ... put the output of mount command on pastebin along with "cat /proc/partitions"
04:23<sreyan32>jm_: I have to install grub via using the command "grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/efi", where /mnt is my EFI partition mounted. So how can "update grub" looks for files on /boot/grub ?
04:23<sreyan32>jm:_ You have to hold on since I am on Windows now I will have to switch to Linux.
04:23<jm_>sreyan32: please stop and explain where you're running this in
04:24<sreyan32>jm_: I am chrooting into my Debian system using a Ubuntu Live USB
04:24<stderr>Supaplex_: I have to get to work now, but I would look at the netmask on and at the routes on adhd01.
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04:25<jm_>sreyan32: then mount efi *in chroot* on its proper place - mount ... /boot/efi
04:25<Supaplex_>stderr eek. come back. :P
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04:27<sreyan32>jm_: I tried that but there is no directory as /efi in /boot so I can't mount it to /boot/efi. So i am mounting to /mnt
04:27<jm_>sreyan32: so create it
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04:27<jm_>no wonder things don't work for you
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04:29<sreyan32>jm_: Okay so I create "efi" directory on /boot then I use grub-install --root-directory=/boot/efi/EFI. But that means "update-grub" will still look for grub files on /boot/grub not /boot/efi/EFi/grub
04:29<sreyan32>jm_: So how does that solve my problem ?
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04:32<jm_>sreyan32: no, you use grub-install .... without --root-directory
04:32<jm_>the procedure is like this:
04:32<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI!
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04:33<jm_>in addition you will need to mount efi partition too
04:33<sreyan32>jm_: That sir does not work. I cannot use something like grub-install /dev/sda1. The man page specifies that grub will be installed in /boot directory specified by --root-directory
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04:34<sreyan32>jm_: I have followed the the fixmbr factoid to the letter. thats how I chroot into my Debian system
04:34<jm_>sreyan32: you don't want to install it on sda1 but on sda
04:34<jm_>!doesn't work
04:34<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
04:35<takis>hello what is better lmde mate, sparkylinux mate or debian testing mate? I need a stable system and i must have the ability to build my own (custom) live-installable dvd.
04:35<sreyan32>jm_: I have to use --root-directory option. Do you want the output for the man page ? I cannot use grub-install /dev/sda or grub-install /dev/sda1. Already tried it.
04:36<jm_>sreyan32: like I already said, if you follow this factoid then no, you don't need --root-directory
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04:37<sreyan32>jm_: Sir, if i use grub-install /dev/sda. I get "unrecognized option dev/sda". Then it gives me the output of grub-install --help.
04:37<sreyan32>jm_: Do you want to see the output ?
04:37<jm_>sreyan32: try /usr/sbin/grub-install /dev/sda.
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04:38<sreyan32>okay I will. Could you give me some time? I have to switch to linux.
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04:39<jm_>i will be here
04:39<sreyan32>jm_: Okay. Thanks.
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04:39<jm_>sreyan32: no worries
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04:43<takis>any suggestion?
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04:46<jm_>takis: you should decide about that
04:49<takis>i am confused. lmde is debian testing but use packages (more stability). Official debian testing use live-build which can build custom dvd. sparkylinux uses remastersys but i dont know about stability. I need to create a friendly-stable (as much possible) linux for my work.....
04:51<jm_>most people can only comment on debian here, perhaps try asking in respective channels for other distributions too
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04:55<Supaplex_>takis: install a debian vm, and play with it in there. compare for notes? (then there are less unknowns for #debian or debian mailing lists etc). Not that anyone is oppose, but there are way too many gotchas in learning all the quirks other distros may introduce
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04:57<Supaplex_>I so need zzz's. ciao ye'all
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05:04<devil_>murilo_mesmo: wrong channel
05:04<abrotman>that's a start :)
05:05<abrotman>murilo_mesmo: ##English on freenode
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05:23<sreyan32>jm_: Are you there ?
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05:25<sreyan32>jm_: The following is the output for grub-install dev/sda.
05:25<sreyan32>jm_: Please have a look
05:26<sreyan32>also os-prober fails to detect windows 8.1 on my hard disk
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05:31<sreyan32>Anyone here ?
05:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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05:32<sreyan32>bhuddah: If you see correctly I have already asked my question.
05:32<bhuddah>sreyan32: i'm just trying to help as at least i couldn't identify what your question exactly is.
05:33<sreyan32>bhuddah: it seems grub-install fails for me. please check the following link.
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05:33<sreyan32>bhuddah: How do I get it to work ?
05:33<bhuddah>sreyan32: i think you are using it wrong.
05:34<sreyan32>bhuddah: How should I use it ? Can you give me an example ?
05:34<bhuddah>also you seem to run ubuntu.
05:34<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
05:35<sreyan32>bhuddah: I am chrooting into my Debian system using a Ubuntu Live USB
05:35<sreyan32>bhuddah: Thats why you see root@ubuntu
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05:36<sreyan32>bhuddah: Can you tell me what is the proper way to install grub using grub-install ?
05:36<sreyan32>bhuddah: What am I doing wrong ?
05:37<bhuddah>sreyan32: if you are missing the device filenames in your chroot, you probably didn't build the chroot the right way. did you map in /dev?
05:37<sreyan32>bhuddah: yup mounted /dev
05:38<sreyan32>mounted /proc
05:38<sreyan32>mounted /sysfs
05:38<sreyan32>mounted /dev/pts
05:38<sreyan32>do you want my output for mount ?
05:39<bhuddah>do you have your boot partition mounted in the chroot?
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05:40<sreyan32>bhuddah: yup. Mounted on /mnt in the chroot.
05:40<bhuddah>why not on /boot? i think this will iritate grub
05:40<bhuddah>grub-install is probably searching for some files in /boot/grub/
05:40<babilen>sreyan32: How did you install Debian in the first place?
05:40<sreyan32>bhuddah: /boot is not an empty directory. how can i mount it over there ?
05:41<bhuddah>how can boot be not empty when you have another boot partition?
05:41<bhuddah>are you sure your base install is all right?
05:41<shad0w>hello people, can anyone help me set p a cron job to convert all video files in a folder to a specific format
05:41<sreyan32>babien: installed debian fine just did not install grub at the end since I need EFi booting.
05:42<babilen>sreyan32: Which version of Debian did you install and why didn't you install grub at the end? If you booted EFI it would install the correct version.
05:42<sreyan32>bhuddah: /boot contains vmlinux and other files. also has a folder called grub with nothing in it.
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05:43<sreyan32>babilen: installed squeeze. squeeze doesn'nt have grub-efi by default so did'nt install it at the end
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05:43<babilen>sreyan32: Why did you install squeeze and not a wheezy which support EFI?
05:43<sreyan32>bhuddah: how do I make sure my base install is alright ?
05:44<sreyan32>babilen: because that would mean downloading images of wheezy again which i dont want to
05:44<bhuddah>sreyan32: you're making it needlessly hard for yourself.
05:44<babilen>sreyan32: Why exactly would that be a problem?
05:45<sreyan32>babilen: have very limited and slow net for now. even netinst would'nt help me.
05:45<sreyan32>bhuddah: I know but I am stuck with squeeze for the time being
05:45<babilen>sreyan32: Seriously, the version of grub-efi you are working with on a broken install is far from optimal. I would strongly recommend to install wheezy and to take it from there. That also means that you don't have to upgrade to wheezy immediately after fixing this.
05:48<sreyan32>babilen: atleast tell me how to use grub-mkimage to make a efi image of grub.
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06:04<toot>hello debian ppl
06:04<toot>i have an issue on wheezy
06:04<bhuddah>hello toot
06:04<toot>i am runing wheezy on vps
06:05<toot>and i had an brutalforce atack since yesterday
06:05<toot>i alowed only 1 user connecting over ssh
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06:05<toot>i disabled root user to login over ssh
06:05<toot>port was 22
06:06<toot>and i install fail2ban on system
06:06<toot>without setting it up, couse in that time attack stoped
06:06<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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06:07<toot>bhuddah now i do understand ... sorry :) i am not using enter for punktion no more. so now i cannot ssh to server
06:08<bhuddah>toot: and you suspect that fail2ban has banned you by accident?
06:08<toot>it is refuzing connection. i dont have anything valuable on vps, but i just would like let you guys know
06:08<petn-randall>toot: Know what?
06:08<toot>yes, couse i didnt do any settings
06:08<bhuddah>i think fail2ban has sane defaults and wouldn't work that way out of the box.
06:09<toot>bhuddah: it was happened that 2 times my ssh freezed and i sudo-ed that ssh on server
06:09<toot>petn-randall: what?
06:09<bhuddah>toot: i'm sory, i don't understand that sentence.
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06:10<toot>my ssh connection was freezed, 2 times when i was connecting on nonroot user, and with that nonrootuser i did su
06:10<petn-randall>toot: You wanted to let us know ... what?
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06:11<toot>petn-randall: maybe there is an problem with fail2ban.
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06:12<toot>petn-randall: what i should to do, to give an valuable information about that?
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06:13<bhuddah>toot: first you need to regain access to your machine. then gather logfiles and see what really happened. then probably file a bug if there is really something wrong.
06:13<petn-randall>toot: By default, fail2ban just bans for 10 minutes (IIRC), so you should be fine after that. If you tried to login to many times with wrong credentials, it's working just as expected.
06:14<petn-randall>toot: I'm just saying that it's clearly working as intended.
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06:15<toot>ok petn-randall ok bhuddah i am going to wait for a while, and then try to ssh on machine.
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06:16<petn-randall>toot: The amount of failed logins is fairly low (6), so you can easily trip that limit with password based SSH logins.
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06:17<petn-randall>toot: Failed login attempts with the "wrong" SSH key – ssh uses all in the keyring by default – also count towards that number. But that's all documented in fail2ban.
06:17<toot>i have an question, what is happening when somebody, find out username for administrator user, and trying to login lot of times with wrong password?
06:17<jm_>sreyan32: are you still here?
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06:18<petn-randall>toot: By default fail2ban will add a iptables rules to drop any connections to port 22, and after the grace time will remove that rule again.
06:18<petn-randall>toot: Check the documentation that comes with fail2ban, it's fairly well written.
06:19<toot>petn-randall: to translate to myself that sentence rtfm toot :)
06:20<petn-randall>toot: In essence, but I prefer to wrap it in kinder words :)
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06:20*toot petn-randall is proffesional
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06:23<bhuddah>"please rtfm" ;)
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06:59<stephan48>i added several ip addresses for ipv6 to my host, but sadly only the last added v6 address is used as "default outgoing" address how could i chance which of these addresses the system uses?
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07:03<stephan48> this post helped
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07:08<toot>petn-randall: bhuddah i did enter on vps with wheezy, killed idle ssh session for user that freezed, removed an fail2ban, restart ssh service and now works.
07:08<toot>i can ssh on server.
07:09<bhuddah>have you looked at your logfiles, toot ?
07:09<toot>i did a bit. but i dont understand as well.
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07:33<toot>bhuddah: what is easiest way to copy auth.log from server to my laptop? (i disabled root access over ssh)
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07:34<bhuddah>toot: copy/paste; sudo; su
07:35<toot>i am not using GUI
07:35<toot>on server
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07:37<rostam>hi how to find the grub version on my system? thx
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07:40<nocturnal>dpkg -l|grep grub
07:40<dpkg>nocturnal: are you smoking crack?
07:40<nocturnal>no sir
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07:47<toot>bhuddah: i just wished to show an error that make to ssh block connection for only user that is authorised to acces to wheezy through ssh. if it is not interesting to analyze that sory for disturbing
07:48<toot>i didnt log with wrong password more than 2 times.
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07:51<rostam>nocturnal, thx
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08:35<ronnie_>Hi Evrybody
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08:36<ronnie_>I had a trouble with my fsatb and UUID
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08:36<ronnie_>I had specified UUID in fstab but when I mount ny home I see it as /dev/sda2 in mtab
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08:38<themill>why not? That doesn't sound troublesome.
08:38<ronnie_>yes but it's very strange
08:39<ronnie_>I install my system from deboostrap
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08:39<ronnie_>and I had enter my fstab manually
08:39<ronnie_>usnig sda1 e sda2
08:39<ronnie_>and when i bootup my system
08:40<ronnie_>i discovered rootfs mounted twice on / one time as sda1 and another time as UUID
08:40<ronnie_>so I decide to rewrite fsta with UUID
08:40<ronnie_>and now rootfs is mounted as UUID and home as sda2
08:41<ronnie_>rootfs is mounted one time only
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09:11<jellybean>Hello, I have issue with sound, I thought I fixed it using this command: /usr/sbin/asactl init
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09:11<jellybean>The sound only seem to work on youtube tho, I tried skype and vlc, both of them doesn't actually work, they just make the sound bars move on pavucontrol. Also, pavucontrol is unable to detect my usb headset. Suggestions?
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09:12<angrydev>jellybean, can you see the usb headset using lsusb?
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09:13<jellybean>angrydev: No, I cannot. But I can see it on alsamixer, if I lower and higher the volume back up it also make a beep. It also show on steam, doesn't make any sound on it.
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09:17<angrydev>jellybean, doesn't make much sense to me. i'm not an alsa guy, so don't think i'll be much help
09:18<jellybean>angrydev: Should I uninstall alsa and let pulse do everything? Any clue why pulse only play sound when I'm on youtube and not with vlc or something else?
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09:20<themill>you probably need to tell vlc to use pulse
09:20<angrydev>jellybean, pulse is a layer on top of alsa (which is part of the kernel); all uninstalling alsa would do is remove the userspace tools i think
09:20<angrydev>jellybean, you may be missing some codecs
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09:21<angrydev>jellybean, is this a problem only with that headset or your audio in general?
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09:22<jellybean>Sorry, probably I wasn't clear, english isn't my first language: The headset doesn't show AT ALL on pulse. From the regular speaker I only hear things on youtube.
09:22<firechariot>hello, can somebody tell me what the command is to search available channels within an irc network
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09:23<jellybean>themill: I did tell vlc to use pulse, infact the sound bar move on pulse when I play a video on it, it just doesn't actually play any sound.
09:23<mts>./list channel
09:23<cheng>I suppose
09:23<firechariot>gracias cheng
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09:24<angrydev>jellybean, no worries about your english, it's fine. i think you may have two problems: 1) you're missing some codecs which skype and vlc may need, 2) your headset may not be enumerating correctly if you can't see it on lsusb
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09:24<angrydev>jellybean, is there a chance that it just shows up with an odd name instead of something normal?
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09:25<angrydev>jellybean, are you using debian stable?
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09:26<angrydev>jellybean, maybe your alsa channel is just muted? when you use alsamixer do you see "MM" underneath the sound bars?
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09:27<mts>I'm a newbie debian user, but as far as i know some expensive headsets (gaming) have a audio card in to virtualize 5.1 surround.
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09:27<mts>perhaps it needs drivers :/
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09:28<jellybean>Hang on I figured something out. Apparently I had to change the audio output for each single single progra, my speakers now regularly play sound from vlc and skype. No, I'm not on stable, the version of firefox available on stable and testing is too old for many plugins I use, so I'm on sid.
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09:30<angrydev>jellybean, if firefox is all that you need from sid you may rather just use the mozilla apt archive:
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09:30<jellybean>So now I guess my only issue is to make the headset work. I find it weird that I need to change the sound exit for each program and can't just use a global setting.
09:30<jellybean>mts: The headset I use doesn't have any driver on the producer website, it's nothing fancy.
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09:31<jellybean>angrydev: can I downgrade to testing safely?
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09:31<angrydev>jellybean, not positive, i've never tried that
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09:32<jellybean>So I might have to just reinstall, I see.
09:32<jellybean>In that case you suggest stable or testing?
09:33<angrydev>i'd suggest stable, it's stable :) and you get security updates faster
09:33<angrydev>but if you're just going to reinstall i'd first try downgrading
09:33<angrydev>make sure you have a good backup
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09:34<jellybean>Fair enough. Well I don't really need any backup, all my personal datas are in another hd so it's fine. I hope stable has any dependecy I may need for steam games. I'll try to downgrade now.
09:35<roughnecks>jellybean: for steam you need testing
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09:35<jellybean>I'll go with jessie then
09:35<roughnecks>,v steam
09:35<judd>Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free:; sid/non-free:
09:36<jellybean>All I need to do is change sources.list and update and upgrade with aptitude, right?
09:36<jellybean>Or apt-get?
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09:38<mts>guys, I try to reinstall 7.3 and it always stucks @ configuring libc6-i686. is there any way to skip that?
09:39<roughnecks>!tell jellybean about unstable->testing
09:39<jellybean>Thanks roughnecks
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09:44<Incentive>hello all
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09:57<jellybean>I just tried a little test, apparently the headset do show on lsusb, it doesn't have a name like all the other entry, only shows as: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 24ae:6000
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11:05<hadi>is there a way to install git 1.8 easily on debian 7? without building from source
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11:07<ansgar>hadi: Use wheezy-backports.
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11:09<hadi>ansgar: thanks
11:09<petn-randall>I've got a Pentium 4 (32 bit) system running on wheezy with a PAE kernel. The maximum /proc/meminfo shows as addressable is 3 GB + 256 MB. Shouldn't it be more? I thought it was 4 GB - PCI address space.
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11:12<abrotman>petn-randall: uname -a
11:12<petn-randall>abrotman: Linux abe 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 i686 GNU/Linux
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11:13<abrotman>and how much physical RAM is there?
11:13<abrotman>just 4GB?
11:13<petn-randall>abrotman: exactly 4 GB
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11:14<abrotman>I would think it would be closer to 3.5GB
11:14<abrotman>oh .. I guess you're not htat far off
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11:18<petn-randall>abrotman: Hmm, no idea why so many RAM isn't accessible wikipedia says it depends on how much address space the BIOS reserves for the PCI bus.
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11:19<petn-randall>Interestingly, the manual says it can only take up to 1 GB per slot. Got 2 x 2 GB in there right now ... :)
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11:20<abrotman>bios updates happen :)
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11:24<sinclairos>hey )
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11:25<petn-randall>Hi sinclairos.
11:25<sinclairos>whats up?
11:26<petn-randall>sinclairos: Not much, just fixing up an "antique" PC.
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11:27<sinclairos>nice, exc where r u from?
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11:28<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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11:29<petn-randall>sinclairos: Let's carry this on on #debian-offtopic.
11:29<sinclairos>sorry , ok
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11:35<hadi>any ideas what's going wrong with my procedure? i'm trying to compile liquidsoap, but i think that maybe the error is something with OS itself than the source files. here's the errors:
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11:36<hadi>i tried to run ./bootstrap so it could load the libs.
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11:36<al_>hello guys
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11:39<hadi>oh, found the solution. gotta apt-get install autoconf
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11:45<Taligua>hi i made copies of / and /home using dd, because most of the space on those partitions was empty i resized it to the minimum so that the dd-images came out pretty small
11:46<Taligua>will i be able to copy them back onto in case of a fresh install without dd resizing the originally larger partition to the same size of the images?
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11:50<SynrG>Taligua: by 'resize', you mean how? with gparted or so?
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11:50<SynrG>i don't understand how you can use dd to copy filesystems and resize them otherwise :p
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11:51<Taligua>yep it was originally 12gb large and i resize it to 1gb as that was the amount that was being used (with gparted ofc)
11:51<SynrG>i don't understand what you mean by "without dd resizing the originally larger partition to the same size of the images"
11:52<SynrG>dd just copies bytes. period.
11:52<SynrG>it doesn't "resize" anything
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11:53<SynrG>the filesystem is now resized to be smaller. dd will faithfully copy, byte-for-byte, those resized *filesystems* to whatever partition you decide to copy them
11:53<SynrG>of course, it will only fill up the partition partway, if you've sized the partition the same as the original.
11:53<SynrG>it's unlikely the filesystem will know about the "extra" space i the partition after that.
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11:54<petn-randall>Doing filesystem backups with dd is asking for trouble ... :|
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11:54<SynrG>i agree.
11:55<SynrG>Taligua: did you take the filesystems offline before doing the backups? if not, those backups are suspect.
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11:55<Taligua>SynrG: i'll try to make it more understandable, the dd image that was created is exactly "1GB" large and the partition iam intending to copy it back onto if something goes wrong is 12gb large, will the system just see an 1GB-Partition or a 12GB partition in which 1GB is filled up?
11:55<SynrG>you should consider using tar or rsync or something, instead.
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11:55<SynrG>i prefer rdiff-backup
11:55<Taligua>SynrG: it was an sd-card therefore yes, it was offline :)
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11:56<SynrG>you know, i occasionally have done exactly that, and instead of resizing, i just piped the dd to gzip
11:56<SynrG>(or xz for better compression, these days)
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11:57<SynrG>it compresses pretty well, and then the decompressed image will be exactly the same size as before in recovery.
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11:58<SynrG>"will the system see"? it depends on your perspective. from the perspective of the partition table, the partition is 12GB large.
11:58<SynrG>from the perspective of mounting the filesystem, the partition contains a filesystem that's 1GB large.
11:58<petn-randall>Taligua: not "suspect", those backups will be inconsistent and thus useless.
11:58<SynrG>petn-randall: he said it was offline.
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11:59<Taligua>the command i've used was the following: "dd if=/dev/sdb1 | gzip > ~/sdb1.img.gz" is that what you mean by pipe it trough gzip?
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12:00<SynrG>petn-randall: also on an online filesystem with no files open and all buffers flushed (e.g. mounted SD card but didn't do anything with the filesystem) how would the filesystem be inconsistent? hence my characterization as 'suspect'
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12:00<SynrG>Taligua: yes, but it helps if you zero the card before use
12:00<SynrG>which you might not have done ...
12:00<SynrG>i'm pretty sure there are tools that can do that.
12:00<petn-randall>SynrG: Even if you don't do any I/O, the system can be writing on the filesystem. "lazy inode initialization" is just one example.
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12:01<SynrG>petn-randall: seems unlikely on a FAT filesystem ... :/
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12:01<SynrG>(probably the most common SD card filesystem)
12:01<Taligua>SynrG: i read about the possibilty to will up the remaining space with an image-consisting of zeros and then removing it again, as it is more compressable iirc, but was kinda nervous that something would go wrong while doing so
12:02<Taligua>SynrG: its btrfs
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12:03<SynrG>it's generally a bad strategy to use dd for backups in any case. you can get a much smaller backup doing it file-wise instead.
12:04<SynrG>what does it really save you? sounds like you've gone through a lot of hassle to optimize a fundamentally broken approach
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12:05<Taligua>well i thought it would be the most easiest way to do
12:05<SynrG>i can't think why "recreate the filesystem from scratch and repopulate it from my backup" would be undesirable.
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12:05<petn-randall>rdiff-backup is a really simple way to do incremental backups. It much more efficient that dd, and pretty much as simple to use.
12:05<SynrG>Taligua: given the trouble you've had so far just coming up with a strategy you like, maybe it's no longer "the most easiest way to do"? :)
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12:06<Taligua>its a raspbian-image btw, but i guess it should be no different than an "real" debian :)
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12:06<SynrG>Taligua: whole-disk image or just partition?
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12:06<SynrG>whole-disk images are a different matter because they contain boot sector & partition table
12:07<SynrG>but there are better bare-metal-recovery backup strategies than whole-disk mirrors, too.
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12:08<SynrG>in fact, i use rdiff-backup for exactly that: i a bare metal recovery, re-run d-i on the new disk to prepare it just so far as being able to run rdiff-backup, the rdiff-backup to do a whole system restore.
12:08<SynrG>s/i a/in a/
12:09<SynrG>i have notes for fixup of a couple of hardware-specific things after that.
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12:10<SynrG>(uuid in /etc/fstab, md, etc.)
12:10<Taligua>i guess the easiest way would have been to use a 2GB-SD instead and do a full dd-copy of it and then recopy it onto a larger-sized sd
12:10<Taligua>*if needed
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12:10<SynrG>well, it's naive to think that you're always restoring to the same hardware as before.
12:11<SynrG>this makes whole-disk images pretty useless.
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12:11<Taligua>in case of a raspberry pi there isn't much you can change, but on desktop-systems i guess you are pretty right
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12:12<Taligua>i'll guess i will have a look into rdiff-backup, haven't heard of it before
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12:16<Taligua>SynrG: Thank you for your help, whish you a nice day :)
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12:35<trico>i moved one of my python scripts to another debian machine, now my script fails with "UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 0-4: ordinal not in range(128)" Are there any system settings i can look at that would cause this?
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12:36<hadi>welp, i think it's going to take me the hole day to compile this... any ideas why ./configure throws me 50 lines of (*: no such file or directory?)
12:37<trico>moved the script from debian 6.0.8 to 7.1
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12:50<imperia>hello. how do i see the script or command that is executed after i do "apt-get source package" . it download source and diff and applies the diff file. but i want to do that manually after downloading the source with "apt-get source package --download-only"
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13:35<Fidgett>please help me dump ubuntu! i am a deb-noob. my very specific question is at the end of this... i have used a fully-encrypted ubuntu system for about 18 months, for everyday computer use - and i did the "expert" install - as a noob - by following a tutorial - and to great success and to my GREAT satisfacion. i dislike the ubuntu changes/direction. i have used tails, occasionally, for fun and i have almost no other linux experiance. i am a
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13:38<SynrG>Fidgett: irc has a line length maximum. you have exceeded it.
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13:38<SynrG>"... experiance. i am"
13:39<Fidgett>oh-thanks. what is the limit?
13:39<SynrG>Fidgett: nothing after that ^^
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13:39<SynrG>Fidgett: are you seeking help for ubuntu?
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13:41<SynrG>Fidgett: that's a yes/no question. :/
13:41<SynrG>!ubuntuirc Fidgett
13:41<dpkg>Fidgett: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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13:42<SynrG>if you're seeking help debian help, that's another matter, but since your question was truncated, i have no idea.
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13:43<Fidgett>part1/4 > please help me dump ubuntu! i am a deb-noob. my very specific question is at the end of this... i have used a fully-encrypted ubuntu system for about 18 months, for everyday computer use - and i did the "expert" install - as a noob - by following a tutorial - and to great success and to my GREAT satisfacion. i dislike the ubuntu changes/direction. i have used tails, occasionally, for fun
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13:43<Fidgett>part2/4 > and i have almost no other linux experiance. i am attempting to do a similar install on debian - in order to DUMP UBUNTU for GOOD and FOREVER. I failed yesterday [miserably] and i now believe that it was because i chose to add a couple of interesting-looking installer componants, not realizing that they are to create install IMAGES - not to do an actual install. NOW -
13:43<Fidgett>part3/4 > i am at the "choose a kernel" part of a new clean install and i have 4 choices. one of them is hi-lighted in red. and really i have a 5th choice, too, which is "none" - at the bottom. does the "install" have an "informed" choice based upon my laptop - and is the highlighted choice the one i should go with? or should i learn how to choose myself - and -
13:44<Fidgett>part4/4 > if so - what should this choice be based upon?
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13:45<Fidgett>this is a debian question... and i appreciate the feedback, thus far, from you all - thank you!
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13:46<Fidgett>rjsalts: especially you, yesterday - thank you, all.
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13:47<Fidgett>SynrG: opps - no. i want no help with ubuntu ever again.
13:48<Fidgett>i am desiring to switch to debian...
13:49<SynrG>if you are a new debian user, usually 'expert' is not what you want.
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13:49<Fidgett>but yet - the only way to do a fully-encrypted system.
13:49<SynrG>beats me. i've never done that.
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13:50<Fidgett>a high priority for me.
13:50<SynrG>what does the installation guide say?
13:51<Fidgett>it doesn't say, clearly...
13:51<Fidgett>...for full-disk encryption. and -
13:51<wompa>Fidgett, no, it isn't. You can create encrypted partitions in the normal installation method
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13:57<wompa>Fidgett, from the installation guide: In the Partition settings menu, you need to select physical volume for encryption at the Use as: option. The menu will then change to include several cryptographic options for the partition.
13:57<Fidgett>actually, i felt in over my head - yet i persevered - and was thrilled when it worked. i applaud MATH. then family and friends attempted pathetic/feeble apologies last summer - after years of ridiculing my concern over the privacy of average people... so now they all admire my use of encryption. and so Now... i must choose a kernel - that is my actual question stated above...
13:58<Fidgett>wompa: i am past the partitioning section.
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13:58<Fidgett>i must choose a kernel...
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13:59<Fidgett>part3/4 > i am at the "choose a kernel" part of a new clean install and i have 4 choices. one of them is hi-lighted in red. and really i have a 5th choice, too, which is "none" - at the bottom. does the "install" have an "informed" choice based upon my laptop - and is the highlighted choice the one i should go with? or should i learn how to choose myself - and -
13:59<Fidgett>part4/4 > if so - what should this choice be based upon?
13:59<SynrG>there is no "choose a kernel" unless you're in expert.
14:00<SynrG>as a newbie, you shouldn't be in expert.
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14:00<sney>Fidgett: linux-image-686 / linux-image-amd64 (depending on your arch) is the one you want. the other options will prevent upgrades.
14:00<SynrG>i.e. you would not be asking these questions unless you had gone down the wrong path.
14:00<sney>and what SynrG said also
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14:01<SynrG>expert *really* means expert. not "let's try this and spend hours on irc getting help" :p
14:01<Fidgett>i succeeded perfectly, at the ubuntu "expert" install, as i said, and i stated above what i believe was my mistake yesterday.
14:02<Fidgett>so now my single, simple - debian - question - is:
14:02<sney>expert mode merely exposes more options; accepting the default for things you don't understand is a workable strategy for both installer modes
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14:02<ansgar>Nah, expert means "ask stupid questions".
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14:02<Fidgett>does the "install" have an "informed" choice based upon my laptop - and is the highlighted choice the one i should go with? or should i learn how to choose myself - and if so - what should this choice be based upon?
14:03<SynrG>Fidgett: what sney said.
14:03<Fidgett>sney: Thank You. for a Simple Answer to my Simple Question.
14:03<sney>You're Welcome, I Guess.
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14:03<Fidgett>SynrG: Thank You.
14:04<SynrG>np, and good luck.
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14:07<Fidgett>thanks. perhaps - someday - some of you awesome and brilliant experts will help us mere-mortals with better noob-tutorials for full-disk encryption. GO LINUX. GO DEBIAN. please be nice to us noobs who are just trying to LIVE a simple - private and secure - windoze-free Life. blessings to you All.
14:07<Fidgett>SynrG: <3
14:07<sney>encrypting a boot drive is more trouble than it's worth. just keep your data in sane places and encrypt those. be they /home or /var or whatever
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14:08<sney>(but iirc there are some encrypted lvm howtos out there that people seem to follow effectively)
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14:09<Fidgett>sney: for helping basic human rights workers stay alive - just one more day - encryption is not just trouble - it is critical, for some - in order to simply keep breathing.
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14:10<Fidgett><3 to all - keep helping the noobs...
14:10<sney>Fidgett: that rambling point doesn't change a single thing I just said. if you encrypt the location of your data, then you don't need to encrypt everything else. offtopic for a support channel though.
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14:15<opuscula>Fidgett: freedombox project am
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14:16<opuscula>...aims to provide a suite of privacy tools wrapped up in a Debian install.
14:16<sney>is that a blend?
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14:21<Silex>is this where i can ask a question?
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14:22<sney>Silex: yes
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14:24<Silex>I have a working debian box but i need more HDD space in it, the thing is i need it all to be one drive for the os to use. I cannot raid hardware because the extras I have are different sizes and I really do not want to reinstall all the server softwares running in it. Is there a way to add the extra Hard Disks and make the os use them in a JBOD or LVM fassion withouth a full reinstall?
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14:26<SynrG>Silex: probably. but depending on how much you've invested in the current install, a re-install might be simpler.
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14:26<SynrG>if you have a good backup and a bare-metal recovery strategy ...
14:27<Silex>no backup
14:27<SynrG>you could just start fresh, then restore from backup to it
14:27<SynrG>in your position, that's what i would do
14:27<Silex>but i guess could make one\
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14:27<Silex>the install will give me a software jbod or lvm option?
14:28<Silex>not to sound too out but i just never looked
14:28<SynrG>!install using lvm
14:28<dpkg>i guess install using lvm is at ("How do I install using LVM? Is there any more information about using the LVM installer? LVM installation doesn't work!"). Also ask me about <lvm> and <install guide>.
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14:29<Silex>so am i reading that right as lvm doesnt work
14:29<SynrG>uh, no.
14:29<SynrG>it's an FAQ ...
14:29<Silex>oh ok
14:29<Silex>i see that now
14:29<SynrG>presumably people asks these questions because they don't bother to read doc :)
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14:30<SynrG>(no, "people" doesn't include you, because you're reading the doc now ;)
14:30<Silex>so for the most part though doing it without a fresh install is not advisable
14:30<Silex>fair enough i kind of figured as much though
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14:30<SynrG>let's just say "there is no well-defined process for that"
14:30<SynrG>whether it's advisable or not is dependent on you
14:31<Silex>frankly a fresh sounds safer basically i just am unsure how to backup to restore
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14:31<SynrG>if you're comfortable migrating your existing install from one drive to another ...
14:31<SynrG>and using a rescue/live image to set up lvm on that ...
14:31<SynrG>and when it's all done, repurpose the drive for your current install for "additional space" on that ...
14:31<SynrG>it is quite doable.
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14:32<Silex>i am not against that, but i cant just copy my existing install to an lvm can i? i figure there would be more to the os itself needed
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14:33<sney>you could probably start from partclone but you'd need to do some offline setting changes at least before booting it back up again
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14:33<Silex>my problem is all my servers and their settings along with the custom crons and all, moving them across installs
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14:33<Silex>setting all those up is what will kill me for a day
14:34<Silex>well ill search around and see the best way to do that though, I don't want to flood the room with what is probably easily laid out online
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14:40<Silex>thankyou for your time SynrG and sney
14:41<ivanoov>hi guys :)
14:43<SynrG>Silex: the changes are the same as if you were just moving the OS to a new drive
14:43<SynrG>well, roughly speaking
14:43<SynrG>and that's a valuable skill to have.
14:43<Silex>its more the installed servers i would i guess have to reinstall all of them
14:44<Silex>i cant clone over all the files
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14:44<Silex>without cloning over the os which i would assume would mess up the os now using lvm wouldnt it?
14:44<SynrG>if you transfer your system to a new drive, it's just a matter of fixing up grub / fstab after that
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14:45<SynrG>i'm not sure what your specific concern is. linux is generally quite friendly to being moved from drive to drive
14:45<SynrG>unlike some other OSes
14:45<Silex>my experience in this aspect unfortunately is windows
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14:45<Silex>so the unfriendly os
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14:46<SynrG>so, your fears are unfounded.
14:46<Silex>well definately nix is not something i have learned so well in the last 15 years
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14:47<Silex>i just don't understand what you mean by bring it over to the new installed nix i guess,
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14:48<Silex>i get the bring the databases and settings its the files and other apsects of my apaches ect , to copy them i would be duping the old drive onto the new overwriting everything
14:48<Silex>my fear there is it will not boot after
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14:53<SynrG>Silex: step 1. boot a rescue image. step 2. set up a new drive with LVM. step 3. copy the old system to the new drive. step 4. fix up the fstab and grub in the new drive. step 5. boot from the new drive. step 6. when you're happy the move was successful, repurpose the old drive.
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14:53<SynrG>Silex: that's an overview, and is basically the same process for "i have a shiny new system drive"
14:54<SynrG>(whether or not you were going to put LVM on it)
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14:54<SynrG>by retaining the original system on the original drive you have a safety net. if you screw it up, you can fall back.
14:55<SynrG>(mind you, it's *still* a good idea to also have a complete backup ... accidents happen :p )
14:55<Silex>yes so copying the old system is literally copying all files from old drive to new drive overwriting everything in its patht hen?
14:55<SynrG>right. i assume your new drive is empty.
14:55<Silex>will be
14:55<SynrG>so there's no "overwriting" ...
14:56<Silex>but i would have to install debain onto it to get lvm wouldnt i?
14:56<Silex>or your saying do lvm from within my current debian on the new drives then copy fix and boot
14:56<SynrG>no. you just need a rescue image capable of putting lvm on it. you *could* use an installer image as this rescue system.
14:56<SynrG>since it knows how to setup a drive with lvm
14:56<SynrG>you just bail after that's done.
14:56<SynrG>then you start your copy
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14:57<Silex>i see now, use the installer or rescue image to make the new drives lvm but dont install debian kill it and copy my old to new
14:57<Silex>i was thinking i had to install debian on the new setup
14:58<SynrG>not really. it's more straightforward to install ... but more work migrating stuff from your old system to the new, in that case.
14:58<Silex>well yea but to not have to migrate but use the old
14:58<Silex>as a copy that is
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14:59<dodo>Do you know about some program/package to document your progress in a project?
14:59<Silex>where might i find what to change for grub and fstab
15:00<dodo>I like to develop 3 or 4 projects at the same time, but as I also have to study, I have no time until vacations. The problem is that every time that I have time, I'm lost about where the fuuuuu I am in the project
15:00<SynrG>in /etc/fstab any references to drives need to change
15:00<dpkg>A Universally Unique IDentifier (UUID) is used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with 'blkid'. In /etc/fstab, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. UUIDs help to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire.
15:00<dodo>is there an specific program for the purpose?
15:01<Silex>ok fo rfstab i get that
15:01<SynrG>and grub has grub-mkdevicemap
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15:02<SynrG>this will make you a new /boot/grub/ which also has drive references in it
15:02<SynrG>after that, update-grub should be able to take care of the rest.
15:03<Silex>obviouslly do that part after i remove the "good" drive i am copying from
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15:03<SynrG>Silex: mind you, since you're rehearsing new skills, you might want to try one thing at a time. :)
15:03<SynrG>Silex: i.e. first, a straight copy to a new drive ...
15:03<SynrG>second, figure out how to make it LVM before doing the copy
15:04<SynrG>there are probably some bends in the road (wrt /etc/fstab, other configs) ...
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15:04<SynrG>but copying the whole system twice might not be something you're eager to do.
15:05<Silex>not really almost wish i could just put the drives in as individual drives and make a directory on main use both of them and the main drive
15:05<Silex>but i know that never works
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15:06<SynrG>certain kinds of splits are fairly easy ...
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15:06<SynrG>retain the original OS, minus /home on the original drive
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15:06<SynrG>make new LVM for both the new drives ... move /home to it
15:07<SynrG>reuse space leftover from the /home move for something else
15:07<Silex>i was considering similar, in this case its a storage section only used by one program (for game servers)
15:08<Silex>moving 400 gig to 1.5 tb instead of almost 2tb is still better than it was befoer i guess
15:08<SynrG>if you're not running out of space on your existing drive but really only need new space on another drive for an existing application (or two, or three) you could dispense with the LVM entirely and symlink in the hunks of space.
15:09<SynrG>so, /usr/local/share/mygame -> /bigdrive/mygame
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15:09<Silex>wouldn't symlinking cause issues if the say secondary drive got full with one file? or would it be smart enough to split it out
15:10<Silex>i have a 1tb and a 500gig i want to say make one spot for that one mygame folder
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15:10<Silex>(would like the 400 gig off main but can sacrifice it )
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15:10<SynrG>yes, without LVM you cannot "grow" the space for that one directory
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15:11<SynrG>if it has any kind of structure to it at all, though, you could symlink at a lower level in the dir tree
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15:11<Silex>in which case i could lvm the two drives as secondary and symlink the current directory over and transfer to the new drive that directorys contents though
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15:11<SynrG>/usr/local/share/mygame/pack1 -> /bigdrive1/mygame/pack1
15:11<digitsm>Is it available that ntfs-3g driver (for mounting RW NFTS drives) has memory leak?
15:11<SynrG>/usr/local/share/mygame/pack2 (no symlink, on current drive)
15:11<digitsm>I think I found a bug (memory leak) but I am not sure
15:11<Fidgett>opuscula: regarding your comment at (07:15:52 PM) [opuscula: Fidgett: freedombox project am] and your next comment - i will research and read asap - thank you...
15:12<sney>digitsm: could be a bug in fuse generally
15:12<SynrG>Silex: yes, or that. it sounds simple and flexible to just lvm the two new drives together.
15:12<SynrG>Silex: in your next install, you can do LVM from the get go on the system drive.
15:13<Silex>yes now i know better and will do that for the next server when it arrives
15:13<digitsm>What I did was running a drive usage check with "baobab" on a ~300GB NTFS drive. It took very long time and it didn't finish. But I noticed that the memory usage was constantly increasing from ~600MB to 1.1GB
15:13<SynrG>Silex: it's *still* a valuable skill to know how to migrate a system to another drive, though. and also a good idea to have a backup and bare metal recovery plan :)
15:14<SynrG>Silex: put that on your todo as well
15:14<Silex>i went from windows 2000 datacenter to linux (but also was not working on as large as that was in 08 that was at work) so its all new to me
15:14<Silex>would it make sense my backups are acronis images
15:14<Silex>see windows background , probably not the best backup method
15:14<SynrG>well. that's not very sophisticated. a good backup system allows you fine-grained installs of individual files ...
15:15<digitsm>Even after I closed baobab, the memory usage remained ~1.1GB and only after unmounting the ntfs drive, suddenly 500MB of RAM freed
15:15<SynrG>and also has a history
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15:15<sney>rdiff-backup is quite good, I've found
15:15<Silex>any recomendations on best way to do that? maybe something automated that tosses it to my nas
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15:16<SynrG>rdiff-backup is good. i like backupninja which can be used as a frontend to that (mind you, a terminal-based frontend, but that's a feature, not a bug)
15:16<SynrG>i also like backuppc for networks with mixed architectures
15:16<Silex>i do not use gui
15:16<SynrG>mixed platforms, i mean
15:16<SynrG>linux, windows, etc.
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15:17<SynrG>backuppc works best in a network with boxes that are always on
15:18<Silex>acronis lets me browse to pull specific files after in an os, but i see what you mean. I just have to use acronis for the testing of some new equipment from one of my employers (they have their own edition and we have to test it front to back how a customer gets directions to do)
15:18<Silex>thats the only reason i have it to be honest
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15:18<digitsm>sney: Although after unmounting NTFS I could free up RAM, but in htop I couldn't see any memory usage by NTFS-3G or anything else. Were was that memory allocated?
15:18<digitsm>By which process?
15:19<sney>good question. try it again and look for anything fuse-related?
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15:20<digitsm>sney: OK. But in my previous monitoring ntfs-3g process only took ~2% memory
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15:21<digitsm>I previously run baobab on that NTFS drive and went away. When I came back my laptop was shot down. (I guess due to memory overflow)
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15:22<digitsm>sney: And I can't see any process for fuse. When I search for "fuse" in htop, I find no process!
15:23<sney>ok. I've used ntfs-3g casually but I
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15:23<sney>I'm really not familiar with debugging it.
15:23<sney>just when you're searching for a similar bug report to your own, look at fuse as well as ntfs-3g.
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15:39<Silex>i cannot find a walkthrough or method to make a secondary drive setup lvm (retaining my main root drive as it is and alone)
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16:07<SynrG>i have a network which uses openwrt on my router to provide DHCP for the network, but i want to set up a mopd + bootp server on my debian server to serve up a netbsd image to a vax. i understand isc-dhcp-server is the easiest way to provide bootp. if i configure this, how do i avoid screwing up dhcp clients on the network that should be getting IP#s from the router, not the debian server?
16:10<CyberBob_>i don't think there's a way to do that aside from turning off the dhcp on the router and doing what you need to do and hope that your machines don't renew, or keep it to a separate subnet
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16:11<SynrG>CyberBob_: failing that, is there a way to do this all from openwrt? my problem there is ... fairly small space on the router.
16:12<CyberBob_>i'm not sure have never used openwrt i use pfsense on a dedicated machine
16:12<CyberBob_>one might just google around for bootp openwrt
16:12<SynrG>ok. and anyway, i would ask #openwrt @ freenode about that
16:13<SynrG>there is also the 'bootp' package, but it says its unmaintained and superceded by dhcpd
16:13<CyberBob_>but concerning your original question i figure i'd tell you this: idk much about what specifically you're doing because i've never had to use mopd/bootp for whatever they do, but it was more of a networking question anyways so that answer should still apply
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16:14<SynrG>yeah. i have the mopd part working, at least. but step 2 in the netbooting netbsd HOWTO is to configure bootp
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16:15<CyberBob_>i have used pxe before and what i do is just tell the other users that i'm working on the network, turn off dhcp in the router, and use pxe/whatever dhcp daemon i need to work with it to bootstrap install machines that don't support booting from usb and also don't have any floppy or cdrom
16:15<SynrG>guh. that's ... awkward.
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16:17<CyberBob_>at the same time it's kind of your only choice though with it being that you have to switch between dhcpd's. if more than one is running it's gonna be even more awkward :/
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16:19<CyberBob_>or you could go with configuring a different subnet like i said and you would have no awkwardness
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16:21<SynrG>CyberBob: hummm, this might be a solution for me:
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16:21<SynrG>attach storage to the TP-Link TL-WR1043ND, set up bootp to use that.
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16:26<CyberBob>SynrG you already know more about bootp and openwrt than me so go for it :]
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16:27<CyberBob>just make sure you're not running two dhcpd's on the same multicast-able net
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16:30<wompa>SynrG, how about this?
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16:35<SynrG>wompa: i think pxe is not the same as mop + bootp ...
16:36<SynrG>so this is close, but no cigar
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16:36<wompa>oh right
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16:56<esbjorn>Using network-manager-openconnect (cisco anyconnect) to connect to university VPN. Connection is established and interface vpn0 is showing up with appropriate inet IP assiged. Issue, surfing the web is still managed by eth0 with home IP and not through the vpn0 interface. Isn't VPN interface supposed to take priority when connected? How do I resolve this?
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17:00<littlebear-mac>esbjorn: you need to set default gateway to your VPN
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17:02<vahid>hi all
17:03<esbjorn>,15 <--- given that info, what should I add and where ?
17:03<vahid>back box is debin???
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17:03<dpkg>rumour has it, bb is apt-get install bb && bb. Barbados
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17:04<vahid>how to install goldic in back box???
17:04<nevyn>wtf is blackbox?
17:05<CyberBob>i think it's a WM
17:05<vahid>virtual box in back box not working
17:05<CyberBob>or maybe not...
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17:05<Rasputin>I think it's a WM.
17:06<nevyn>CyberBob: see that's what dpkg gave me
17:06<vahid>how to install kernel virtual box in back box
17:06<nevyn>I suspect it's a derivative
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17:06<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
17:07<vahid>back box is debin???
17:07<nevyn>oh not blackbox back box.
17:07<nevyn>vahid: no.
17:07<nevyn>!back box
17:08<nevyn>vahid: read the bit about derivatives above.
17:08<vahid>how to install virtual box in back box??
17:08<CyberBob>may be irrelevant but if he is using ubuntu this is not the place for that
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17:09<vahid>how install virtual box??
17:09<nevyn>CyberBob: that's what I ment by irrelevant.
17:09<petn-randall>CyberBob: If it's not Debian, it's off-topic. It's irrelevant on which distro it's based on.
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17:10<CyberBob>gotcha guys
17:10<CyberBob>that's what i said
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17:10<nevyn>vahid: this chanel is for discussion of debian if you're not using debian please find the appropriate forum for discussing that
17:10<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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17:11<CyberBob>vahid you'll prolly find more helpful people there that are available to chat anyways :]
17:11<CyberBob>no worries
17:11<littlebear-mac>esbjorn: if it doesn't work, talk with your University help desk
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17:15<esbjorn>thank you littlebear-mac.. however I doubt that's the problem at hand. Doing that would make the working active connection unusable. Ive had a chat with the IT-department and since they are a bunch of lazy mac-users I didnt recieve much help. nevertheless, I am thankful for your input
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17:18<CyberBob>esbjorn they probably just gear towards mac or windows because that's what everyone uses, don't feel bad about that. you might want to see if you can set up an appt with the NOC guy or one of their cronies at the uni though
17:19<petn-randall>esbjorn: The interface seems to be set up right. But you have to change the default route if you want "all" traffic to go through the tunnel.
17:19<petn-randall>esbjorn: What does 'route -n' show you when you're connected?
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17:20<esbjorn>it shows that.
17:20<esbjorn>which seem to be correct as far as I can tell
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17:21<linuxator>'failed:your system does not have the cpu extensions to run kvm.' how to solve this?
17:21<petn-randall>linuxator: By another CPU.
17:21<petn-randall>esbjorn: the first entry with destination '' indicates that it's going through your eth0 interface, not the vpn0
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17:22<petn-randall>esbjorn: Can you check a box like 'use as default route' somewhere? Otherwise you'll have to add it by hand.
17:22<esbjorn>so I assume there is a "if-up" command to add in eg /et/network/interfaces
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17:25<petn-randall>esbjorn: If you're using network-manager for the vpn you can configure it there.
17:25<esbjorn>yes, I can set routes in VPN configuration. Adress | netmask | gateway | metric
17:26<petn-randall>esbjorn: I don't have such a connection to configure, but just add the 'default route' to that connection.
17:27<esbjorn>will try that.
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17:27<petn-randall>esbjorn: You're welcome. If you get stuck, feel free to ask again here.
17:28<gnusosa>Hi, if I can fix a bug of a pkg, should I reply with a patch to the bug? or make a build of the current deb package with patch applied?
17:28<sney>reply with patch
17:28<gnusosa>Oh ok thanks.
17:29<sney>though, confirming in the message that it builds would probably be appreciated
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18:12<bnoji>Is it possible to dual boot debian and win 8 w/ uefi and secure boot?
18:13<sney>not with secure boot
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18:13<sney>with uefi it's possible, though annoying
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18:16<petn-randall>sney: Works like a charm here. What troubles did you run intO?
18:17<sney>it's highly dependent on motherboard variations
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18:17<oldlaptop>sney: is it ever likely to improve, do you think?
18:17<bnoji>It looks like it's possible, but a bit of a pain to setup.
18:17<sney>sometimes it's completely fine and you don't know what the fuss is about, and sometimes you want to throw the whole thing out the window. or anywhere in between
18:17<sney>oldlaptop: it'll probably stabilize into something resembling a standard, at least
18:17<oldlaptop>that's always nice
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18:18<oldlaptop>Almost makes you long for the bad old days when IBM controlled all standards for the clone market
18:18<bnoji>The only way I'm seeing (without reinventing the wheel) is to boot from a signed kernel with your own keys added to the db
18:19<sney>yeah the kernel signing thing is not in line with the dfsg, iirc, so that part will always be on your head (or the pc manufacturer's for the ability to turn secure boot off)
18:19<bnoji>or use grub2 from ubuntu
18:19<bnoji>since ubuntu grub2 is signed, maybe it can be shoehorned into a debian install?
18:20<sney>yeah, you can boot debian from ubuntu's grub or you should be able to
18:20<bnoji>sney: I thought the MS signed key was not in line, but there was no issue self-signing and adding your own keys.
18:20<bnoji>I just wish I could insert disk, install, ad grub and be ready to run.
18:21<oldlaptop>that ought to be one extra step
18:21<oldlaptop>turn secure boot off
18:21<sney>indeed. it's not like it's a security feature that protects the user, really
18:21<bnoji>i dont want to have to turn it off...
18:21<oldlaptop>(you're usually in BIOS anyway to turn CD booting on)
18:21<oldlaptop>sney: exactly
18:21<sney>it's a security feature that protects clueless users, to some degree, but mostly just protects the vendor
18:21<oldlaptop>if an attacker is screwing with the kernel/bootloader, the attacker has won
18:22<bnoji>I dont want to turn it off, because win 8 needs it..
18:22<oldlaptop>full stop
18:22<oldlaptop>oh no
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18:22<bnoji>win 8 preinstall wont boot without it.
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18:22<oldlaptop>man, every time I think Microsoft has outdone themselves, I hear some new thing...
18:22<oldlaptop>how will they top this?!
18:22<sney>can you install win8, then turn off secure boot after and still have it bootable?
18:22<sney>what a nuisance, though
18:23<bnoji>sney: I only have a factory restore disk...not even sure if its a real win8 install disk.
18:23<oldlaptop>dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/<windows drive>
18:23<oldlaptop>(don't do that by the way :/)
18:24<sney>ah. a factory restore disk probably won't let you use less than the full HD
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18:24<sney>in case you were unaware, when you own a copy of windows, you own the licence key. it does not matter where your iso comes from.
18:24<oldlaptop>I thought they just quit giving you those, anyway
18:24<sney>I've still seen them sometimes. from refurb shops mostly
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18:25<lupine>well, it does to an extent. redistribution agreements, etc
18:25<lupine>it's all a bit ridiculous, and very unnecessary
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18:26<oldlaptop>and one of the reasons we're all in here :)
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18:27<sney>lupine: well yes, but the point is that a legal win8 licence used in combination with an iso that you found while walking in the park - or whatever - is still supported by MS, because they're really only interested in the paid-for licence
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18:28<oldlaptop>they're interested in keeping people from leaving ISOs in the park though
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18:31<CyberBob>but we all know that interest will never amount to anything oldlaptop
18:31<CyberBob>esp. with what TPB is working on now
18:31<CyberBob>so you can't run win8 without a mobo that supports both uefi and secure boot?
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18:33<bnoji>my laptop is a refurb, so i got a recovery disc
18:33<bnoji>but i dont think i can use it as a regular install disc.
18:33<bnoji>ill find out tonight when i get hoe.
18:34<CyberBob>bnoji do you know if you need both uefi and secure boot to run win8? i know this is devilish to ask in here but since it came up..
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18:35<CyberBob>that's all i need to know, because i don't have recent enough hardware to run it if that's the case
18:36<petn-randall>CyberBob: You can run windows 8 fine on a x86 machine without UEFI, or with UEFI and secure boot disabled. IIRC it's just ARM where it's enforced. This is getting offtopic now ... we've got a channel for that ;)
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18:36<CyberBob>so i don't need secure boot either to run it on x86?
18:37<CyberBob>i know it's off topic, last question about it i promise :p
18:38<petn-randall>CyberBob: Got it running on my laptop, no secure boot enabled :)
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18:39<CyberBob>i was about to say, my os choice would definitely not even be to upgrade to 7 on my multimedia workstation if microsoft did something that hateful of its' power users
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18:42<oldlaptop>why would you want to run Win8 anyhow, when debian exists ;)
18:43<CyberBob>because oldlaptop, and still *sigh*, that feeling when i'll always need a win native machine to run my DAWs, VSTs and VSTi's
18:44<CyberBob>perhaps the game has changed since i last tried getting such things to work in wine, but ASIO et some other things are very hard to get set up
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18:44<nevyn>CyberBob: what kind of thing do you write?
18:45<nevyn>but. ilok. eww
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18:46<CyberBob>i won't go any further on things like ilok if you know what i mean
18:46<CyberBob>but i mostly mix breakbeat and sometimes do a little remixing in fruity loops, live, or cubase
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18:46<CyberBob>*mix on traktor
18:46<nevyn>have you tried any of the linux native stuff?
18:47<avtobiff>mixxx, lmms, ardour!
18:47<CyberBob>i've tried mixxx but traktor has superceded it by leaps and bounds the past few years
18:47<oldlaptop>how about VMs?
18:47<oldlaptop>better than giving a whole partition over to the tentacled face of madness
18:48<CyberBob>getting my pci processors to work in a vm would be even more madness :]
18:48<nevyn>CyberBob: I quite like ardour but I could probably do what I require in audaqcity but I prefer ardour.
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18:49<CyberBob>is ardour like a daw or more like a wave editor
18:49<nevyn>a daw
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18:49<nevyn>it's the basis for harrison mixbus
18:50<CyberBob>the whole thing is unfortunate because i'm already going to have to upgrade my pci processors when i move to 7 on this machine, so i've gotta save for that and i've only got two months to do it
18:51<nevyn>pci processors?
18:51<CyberBob>also these cards usually only come with windows or mac drivers, there just isn't enough of an interest by pro audio in linux
18:52<CyberBob>pci cards that do A/D and D/A and hardware based plugins
18:52<nevyn>basically linux is RME or bust ;)
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18:52<Monery>is this channel for Linux Mint help?
18:52<Monery>its about GRUB if that matters
18:52<devil_>Monery: is is spelled like Mint? ;)
18:52<devil_>Monery: and no, it is not
18:52<Monery>crap, on the wrong IRC server
18:52<Monery>my bad
18:53<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
18:53<Monery>sorry about that, too many servers
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18:53<devil_>no prob at all
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18:53<firechariot>hello, can somebody tell if it's a potential to use a router for the purpose of UHF Jamming?
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18:55<firechariot>I was looking at the HAMSoft page & they have a router driver called 7plus, though this is a new topic to me
18:57<sney>firechariot: that doesn't sound like a debian question
18:59<firechariot>the modem driver is aatis-modem, not 7plus
18:59<firechariot>just thought to ask. Maybe there's a HAMSoft channel
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19:05<CyberBob>firechariot routers use a different tuner you're probably not going to get working for UHF broadcast
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19:05<firechariot>CyberBob, I was really just trying to figure a way to cost effectively block local UHF signals
19:06<CyberBob>that may even land you with a fine or jail time
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19:06<CyberBob>i doubt the FCC looks kindly on that type of thing
19:07<CyberBob>if you're in US anyways
19:07<themill>(##electronics or ##hardware on might be better places to ask)
19:07<jalcine>yeah that's definitely at least 5 years
19:07<CyberBob>yes i'll stop helping here
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19:18<Abbott>does the latest debian support upstart?
19:18<dondelelcaro>Abbott: yes
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19:18<Abbott>also, i am trying to add a repository and it's saying add-apt-repository isn't a command
19:18<Abbott>thanke you dondelelcaro
19:19<dondelelcaro>Abbott: because it isn't; you generally don't need to modify your repository list in Debian
19:19<themill>Abbott: trying to add a PPA?
19:19<Abbott>for deluge
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19:19<themill>Abbott: PPAs aren't designed for debian
19:19<themill>!why not a PPA
19:19<dpkg>PPAs (Ubuntu's Personal Package Archives, see <PPA>) are not built against Debian releases, they are built against Ubuntu releases. This makes using packages from them on a Debian box highly unlikely to work out well. Ask me about <ssb> <package recompile> <bobbitt>.
19:20<Abbott>i had no idea
19:20<Abbott>i will look into this more, thank you everyone :P
19:21<sney>debian has deluge anyway. 1.3.3 in stable
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19:23<Abbott>i'm trying to update from 1.3.3 to 1.3.6 as requested by the people on the support forums but apt-get seems to only pull 1.3.3
19:24<nevyn>!pkg deluge
19:25<sney>,v deluge
19:25<judd>Package: deluge on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.3+git20110209.8c36830-0squeeze1; jessie: 1.3.3-2+nmu1; sid: 1.3.3-2+nmu1; wheezy: 1.3.3-2+nmu1; experimental: 1.3.6-1
19:26<sney>,checkbackport deluge --fromrelease experimental
19:26<judd>Backporting package deluge in experimental→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy.
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19:26<sney>well that's an option. if you're comfortable with the handful of apt commands required to add a PPA then you should be comfortable with the handful of apt commands required to backport something
19:26<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
19:27<dpkg>Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Wheezy, any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc.
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19:27<jalcine>haha, the fire
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19:27<babilen>jalcine: Entirely different story, sney is not suggesting pulling in binary packages at all
19:28<jalcine>babilen: I know, I was curious about what bobbitt
19:28<sney>Abbott: the ssb instructions are an overview of the process of compiling a package from a newer debian release for an older one. in your case, you'd want to add a deb-src line for experimental and then follow the instructions from there. let us know if you get stuck.
19:28<babilen>jalcine: Then please "/msg dpkg bobbitt" :)
19:28<jalcine>duly noted!
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19:39<MisterSinister>Hi everyone! I've just installed Debian, and am having some issues with resolution.
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19:40<MisterSinister>It seems to be stuck at 1024x768 and won't go higher.
19:40<MisterSinister>I know for a fact that my monitor *can* go higher, but I'm not sure what to do about it.
19:40<MisterSinister>Could anyone please help?
19:41<dondelelcaro>MisterSinister: the output of xrandr; should give you some more information about what is going on
19:41<MisterSinister>Ok, I'll fire up Bash and check it out.
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19:42<MisterSinister>Says Failed to get size of gamma for output default
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19:43<MisterSinister>Is there anything I can do about that?
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19:46<mtn>MisterSinister: this might help:
19:46<MisterSinister>As an aside, I'm in the habit of running programs from bash, but whenever I start most things (for example, XChat, which I'm on now), I can't enter anything new into *that* instance of Bash, and have to start another one. Is there any way to tell Bash something like "Run this program, and as soon as it launches, let me do other things with you?"
19:46<MisterSinister>mtn: Thanks, I'll check it out.
19:46<mtn>MisterSinister: put a & after the command, if I recall
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19:47<MisterSinister>mtn: OK. *tests*
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19:47<MisterSinister>Yup, works! Will read the graphics card stuff now. Thanks!
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19:48<MisterSinister>Also, I'm already falling in love with Debian, but I just want a less ugly resolution.
19:48<mtn>MisterSinister: yw
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19:49<MisterSinister>Another thing: I know how to install applications, but I'm not sure how to install drivers.
19:49<MisterSinister>Is there a GUI utility like Apper in Debian for drivers, or should I just use Bash?
19:49<MisterSinister>(Also, is it Bash or bash?)
19:50<mtn>MisterSinister: most programs available in linux are available in debian. most drivers are in the kernel.
19:50<mtn>MisterSinister: what drivers do you have in mind?
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19:50<MisterSinister>This thing:
19:50<MisterSinister>And the reason I ask about programs is because I'm brand-new to Linux in general.
19:50<MisterSinister>Like, 'just installed today' brand-new.
19:51<MisterSinister>Was inspired by some of esr's stuff to finally give it a go.
19:51<mtn>MisterSinister: I imagine that is already installed during the install
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19:51<mtn>MisterSinister: I like to use synaptic, but you can also use apt-get or aptitude from the command line.
19:52<MisterSinister>mtn: Thanks, I'll try that.
19:52<mtn>MisterSinister: yw
19:52<MisterSinister>I just looked at the graphics card page you linked me, and I assume it's a driver problem that's stopping me upping my resolution.
19:52<mtn>MisterSinister: hey, are you running wheezy or squeeze?
19:53<mtn>MisterSinister: ok, the link you gave was for squeeze
19:53<MisterSinister>Oh, whoops.
19:53<MisterSinister>Guess I should L2R a bit better.
19:53<mtn>MisterSinister: heh
19:53<MisterSinister>The thing is, for ATI, it *only* lists a squeeze driver.
19:54<MisterSinister>Oh, wait, never mind.
19:54<MisterSinister>Found a tutorial....
19:54<MisterSinister>Thanks anyway.
19:54<MisterSinister>I appreciate the help very much.
19:54<mtn>MisterSinister: good luck
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19:55<MisterSinister>I might well need it.
19:55<MisterSinister>I can see why esr said that you're not a real hacker until you've used a Unix.
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20:10<Linnak>What is the way to add permanent 1360x768 display resolution to the system, which is not listed where I can choose from? And I don't want to write a script and autostart it with the system.
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20:14<dondelelcaro>Linnak: generally speaking, X will choose the best resolution automatically
20:15<dondelelcaro>Linnak: but most desktop environments have a display controller which will alter the xrandr settings for you, you can do it from the commandline, you can do it from .xsession, or you can change it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
20:15<Linnak>Also like to know which font size should I reduce because in firefoy the fonts are too big and messing up the lines
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20:16<Linnak>I've edited xorg.conf many times but didn't change anything
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20:17<dondelelcaro>Linnak: if 1360x768 isn't in the output of xrandr; then that's not a valid resolution for your display, or X doesn't know how to automatically detect what resolution your display actually has
20:18<Rykun>If he's running in a VM, it won't detect them correctly even with the proper extras installed
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20:18<Rykun>This should work for you
20:18<Rykun>Ignored the obviously irrelevant lines and substituting your own resolution
20:18<Linnak>It isn't a virtual machine. On SnowLinux it's working with 1360x768
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20:19<Rykun>Try a simple script and throw it in init.d, should work for you
20:20<dondelelcaro>Linnak: what is the output of xrandr; then?
20:20<Linnak>I wrote I want this withoout script
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20:22<dondelelcaro>Linnak: that looks like an LCD panel. Are you sure you don't mean 1024x768 or something similar? Is there a reason why you're not just using it at 1920x1080?
20:22<dondelelcaro>hrm... or it may be a CRT; hard to say
20:22<Linnak>Yes. Everithing looks too small then
20:23<dondelelcaro>Linnak: what is too small? You know you can change the font sizes on almost everything...
20:23<dondelelcaro>Linnak: if it's a LCD display, they basically don't work well at all unless they are at even multiples of the maximum resolution
20:24<Linnak>If I resize the font sizes sometimes the fonts don't fit in their "window"
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20:26<Linnak>I know that it isn't sharp enough if I don't use 1920x1080 but for me 1000 times better on 1360x768. Now it's on 1280x720 but a tiny bit big everything
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21:16<kardan>!dpkg remove gnome
21:16<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
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21:18<SamB>that sounds a bit much
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21:19<themill>(since no-one can agree what they mean by "gnome" let alone how much they'd want to remove, ...)
21:19<kardan>Actually I am only annoayed about nettool, but it sticks at gnome like the putty under my shoes.
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21:20<kardan>If there is a way to make the vpn REALLY reconnect automatically all would be fine.
21:21<SamB>would be nice to have a command that would mark all those packages as unwanted, then you could go back and mark the ones you actually do want after all wanted again ...
21:21<SamB>(where "all those" means all the stuff that would get uninstalled by that command)
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21:22<kardan>usually running vpn as root on a console/tmux/screen is the safest way to stay connected via vpn even on connection loss. but nettool pretends to do this for me, which is not true.
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21:23<kardan>(maybe I miss more advanced methods)
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21:25<themill>SamB: aptitude markauto ...
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21:26<SamB>themill: yes, there is probably a pattern you could use for this ...
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21:26<themill>the same one as above probably works.
21:26<themill>Curiously, I don't feel much like installing gnome to find out
21:28<kardan>Just try in a chroot, it's fun (apart from the downloading part).
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21:29*SamB tries the original command just to see what it would remove
21:29<kardan>only gnome
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21:30<SamB>hmm, gksu, gtetrinet, and python-gnomekeyring
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21:34<kardan>SamB, did you like it?
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22:10<Abbott>sney, I'm sorry I'm pretty new but the backport commands are not working. Is there some prerequisite to run these commands?
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22:24<iz-smart>y sad?
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22:26<SamB>kardan: no, the two programs were installed on purpose and I probably asked for python-gnomekeyring to be installed because of a recommends ...
22:27<_Brett_>i'm a windows user looking to switch. will i be able to connect my ti-84 through the usb port and download programs?
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22:31<_Brett_>and has anybody used packet tracer 6 on wine?
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22:34<_Brett_>i'm willing to say goodbye to visual studio
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23:01<_Brett_>the wine website gives packet tracer 5.1 a gold rating so i'm hoping V6 works as well
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---Logclosed Fri Jan 31 00:00:50 2014