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00:13<Abbott>hey i'm back. so apparently i can not have deluge 1.3.6 on the private tracking site i am on and i need to downgrade to 1.3.5 and this guide is saying to use ppa http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/Installing/Linux/Debian/Wheezy
00:13<Abbott>which seems weird
00:13<Abbott>nd it's not accepting get-apt-repository
00:13<Abbott>*add-apt-repository
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00:14<themill>don't follow those instructions... they're crazy
00:14<Abbott>haha
00:15<Abbott>could you help me out?
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00:16<sney>Abbott: what step in the ssb process did you get stuck on
00:16<themill>You could grab the source package for 1.3.5 from snapshot.debian.org and compile it. It might work or it might eat your firstborn.
00:16<sney>themill: 1.3.6 is in experimental and judd seems to think it'll backport cleanly
00:17<themill>sney: yes, but Abbott appears to need 1.3.5 not 1.3.6
00:17<sney>oh, indeed
00:17<sney>that's... different
00:17<jordanm>or you could just install ktorrent
00:17<Abbott>lol
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00:18<sney>Abbott: anyone telling you to use a PPA on debian did not test their own instructions, at the very least :P
00:18<Abbott>i was just thrown off because it's on the actual deluge site lol
00:18<Abbott>but you're definitely right it shouldn't be on there
00:18<sney>fair enough
00:18<themill>they know about deluge... they clearly don't know much about debian
00:18<Abbott>lol
00:19<sney>well, if 1.3.6 can build on wheezy then 1.3.5 should too,
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00:19<themill>yeah. you might just fine extra packaging bugs that were fixed for the 1.3.6 upload
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00:20<sney>https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation this gives a basic overview. if you get stuck, say exactly what you tried, what happened, etc. if you say "it doesn't work" and don't give details then nobody can help you
00:20<_Brett_>hi
00:20<_Brett_>finally some people
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00:23<_Brett_>anybody using the ti connect software?
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00:23<sney>!anyone
00:23<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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00:26<_Brett_>I want to know if it works
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00:27<themill>is it a debian package?
00:27<themill>(even if it is the chance of anyone knowing that specifically here is slim)
00:27<sney>the answer is generally "Try it and see"
00:27<_Brett_>it's a windows program for connecting to the ti calculator
00:27<themill>"unlikely
00:28<sney>what's the interface on the calculator? serial? usb? it might be okay in wine. try it and see.
00:28<themill>unless it allows any filename to be specified for a serial port -- if it does then you might be able to give it a /dev/ttyUSB0 or something. Perhaps. If you were really lucky.
00:28<_Brett_>mini usb
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00:29<sney>yeah iirc wine has some ability to interface with the system usb ports. winehq would know better than I do
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00:29<themill>sney: oh? interesting.
00:29<themill>,i tilp2
00:29<judd>Package tilp2 (math, optional) in wheezy/i386: Texas Instruments hand-helds <-> PC communication program for X. Version: 1.12-1; Size: 369.5k; Installed: 1228k; Homepage: http://lpg.ticalc.org/prj_tilp/
00:30<sney>oh how about that
00:30*themill knows nothing about it
00:30<themill>just a suggestion from apt-cache
00:30<sney>nod
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00:31<sney>_Brett_: it would seem there's something already in debian that might serve the same purpose. iirc, ti connect is for loading programs onto a calculator, etc?
00:31<_Brett_>i'm also trying to find out if packet tracer 6 works
00:31<_Brett_>i have to do homework on it
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00:32<sney>packet tracer 5 definitely works. 6 should be fine too. I keep meaning to test it. but cisco stuff is generally pretty self-contained and self-contained is good, as far as wine goes
00:33<_Brett_>i saw the gold rating for version 5 on winehq. whats the difference between that and platinum?
00:33<sney>completely subjective
00:33<sney>but silver/gold/platinum all mean it works, at least mostly
00:34<sney>I was able to crash PT5 intentionally, but it was fine otherwise. all the ccna labs I tried in it were fine
00:34<_Brett_>that reassuring
00:35<_Brett_>you were able to complete them 100% with little to no problems?
00:35<sney>yeah
00:35<_Brett_>ok. thats good news
00:36<_Brett_>because my grades depend on it
00:36<sney>only problems I ran into regularly were IOS features that didn't exist in PT, that the video course I bought referred to.
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00:36<_Brett_>is Debian alright for beginners?
00:37<sney>(gns3 is in debian, along with dynamips, and so if your academic situation gives you the opportunity to get yourself some real IOS images, it's good to do routing labs on those as well because it's more like the real thing than PT.)
00:37<sney>debian is fine for most levels of computer ability.
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00:37<sney>IMHO we have the best support.
00:38<_Brett_>i noticed it being number 1 on distrowatch and and i watched a review of Debian 7 on yt. It looks like the kind of os i used to have before windows 8
00:39<kardan>"There is a longstanding bug in Network Manager that prevents the VPN from connecting when you login or reconnecting if the VPN connect gets dropped" https://help.riseup.net/en/openvpn-linux
00:40<_Brett_>I have to give up visual studio but it's not something I really rely on since i'm not taking any programming courses this semester. I think I can do hobby programming in mono.
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00:44<ION4S>hey guys!
00:44<ION4S>today i installed i3 and i love it but...
00:45<ION4S>i dont know how to establish a wlan connection there
00:45<ION4S>please help me
00:45<ION4S>!!
00:45<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
00:46<ION4S>please help me :)
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00:46<_Brett_>Does the Debian network install iso work with wireless cards?
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00:47<sney>ION4S: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line
00:47<sney>_Brett_: some. depends on the nic. some require firmware (though there is a special netinstall iso that includes firmware) and some are simply too new
00:48<sney>but as long as the nic itself is supported, the installer can do the install even if the network is wpa2
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00:48<_Brett_>Does it come with a recent version of the kernel that Mr. Torvalds doesn't bitch about?
00:48<ION4S>sne: Thanks a lot :)
00:49<sney>debian 7 comes with linux 3.2. Mr. Torvalds has his own crazy opinions that we don't pay much attention to around here. (except for the one about nvidia anyway.)
00:49<_Brett_>lol
00:51<_Brett_>It's got longterm support and it only came out at the beginning of the year
00:51<_Brett_>3.2.54?
00:51<sney>,kernels
00:51<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-trunk-686-pae (3.13-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.8-1); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); wheezy-backports: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.12.6-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4)
00:52<sney>3.2.51-1, apparently. the -1 indicates some debian patching happened as well.
00:55<_Brett_>So it's settled. I'm gonna backup, format, and install Debian :)
00:55<ION4S>is there any gui programm to establish a wifi connection?
00:55<_Brett_>i'm excited. i've never used this distro
00:56<sney>ION4S: wicd
00:56<_Brett_>i just want an os that i can love again
00:56<ION4S>sney: ok so apt-get install wicd ??
00:56<sney>also, if you were still wondering, packet tracer 6 seems to work in wine.
00:56<sney>ION4S: yes
00:56<ION4S>sney: ok thanks dude :)
00:56<_Brett_>windows xp was a good lover but she got old and had a lot of baggage.
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01:00<_Brett_>after a few years she went from developed to over developed
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01:26<pb>quick question, I'm doing a reinstall including format over IPMI/iKVM
01:26<pb>iKVM wont die if I format the whole disk, will it?
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01:35<kardan>Tor statement above the "sniper attack" from 24th January: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/new-tor-denial-service-attacks-and-defenses
01:35<kardan>they suggest an update to 0.2.4.18-rc (wheezy has 0.2.3.25-1)
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01:36*kardan wonders if it will be backported
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02:19<rryoumaa>if you see in gkrellm that something is using eth0, or lo, what's a good way to find out the top processes that are using it and where they are connected to?
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02:22<stderr_dk>rryoumaa: ntop? netstat?
02:22<SamB>hmm, you want processes, sources/destinations *and* amounts transferred??
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02:23<SamB>hmm, how would one avoid ntop itself interfering with the results?
02:24<stderr_dk>If you want to check eth0, connect to ntop using lo...
02:24<jm_>or use a different tool, say jnettop, iptraf ...
02:25<rryoumaa>it's an open-ended question. ideally i'd have a top-like tool that shows me hostnames and what programs are communicating with them.
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02:26<rryoumaa>i keep trying these tools and not finding anything that i stick with
02:26<stderr_dk>There was also one called something with "flow", but I can't remember the name right now.
02:26<jm_>not sure if i've ever seen a tool that does all what you want
02:26<rryoumaa>(not a comment on jm_'s comment, just a generic comment)
02:26<rryoumaa>tcpflow?
02:26<stderr_dk>Maybe...
02:27<stderr_dk>That's more for dumping the content of those flows, right?
02:27<rryoumaa>ah, iftop might work
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02:27<rryoumaa>yeah, i think tcpflow is not a real time thing
02:27<stderr_dk>It can be.
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02:29<rryoumaa>hmm, iftop -i lo is not telling me anything useful
02:30<rryoumaa>i guess it doesn't say what programs are using the net
02:30<stderr_dk>The one I'm think of had a ncurses interface and one of the options was to see "source", "destination" and "bytes transferred".
02:31<stderr_dk>I don't think it showed the process cause it could also be used on a router, i.e. where neither of the endpoints of the flow is a local process.
02:31<rryoumaa>i wonder if any tool shows the process
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02:32<stderr_dk>rryoumaa: netstat can, if you run it as root.
02:32<rryoumaa>but that doesn't seem to show iptraf-like data
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02:35<rryoumaa>interestingly, i had a bunch of traffic to and from tor, without me using the browser. that sounds suspicious :).
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02:36<stderr_dk>It sounds like tor being tor...
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02:48<roughnecks>rryoumaa: did you try nethogs?
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02:48<rryoumaa>not yet, will try
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02:49<rryoumaa>that's pretty neat, doesn't show who it connects to but it is a good one
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03:23<kardan>"The proxy server is refusing connections" is shown using privoxy/tor for SSL. who can help?
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03:25<jm_>!conenction refused
03:25<jm_>!connection refused
03:25<dpkg>When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (e.g. apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things.
03:25<kardan>I changed +limit-connect from {,} to {80,443} in /etc/privoxy/default.action with no effect.
03:27<kardan>in /etc/privoxy/config I activated "forward :443 ." and "forward-socks5 / 127.0.0.1:9050 ." - "To chain Privoxy and Tor, both running on the same system"
03:27<kardan>in #tor I have been told privoxy is not used anymore and I need to download the tor browser bundle.
03:27<bhuddah>kardan: did you check that all the required service are still running?
03:28<kardan>they are running and working for HTTP, but not HTTPS
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03:28<kardan>also *.onion works, but not https://*.onion
03:28<bhuddah>i think it's a security feature to disable https via tor by default.
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03:31<kardan>that makes sense. I could not find a hint how to disable this in /use/share/doc/privoxy/Readme.Debian
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03:34<kardan>also not in the FAQ. maybe privoxy is not the right thing for me then.
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03:37<tornedo>hii
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04:44<adamber>hi there. what logs can I check in for a "/etc/init.d/service" command that give no output?
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04:48<jm_>adamber: who wrote the script?
04:48<adamber>it's a package script, corosync
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04:54<jm_>wait, are you saying it never outputs anything or you want to check what happened at boot?
04:55<adamber>jm_: when i run "/etc/init.d/corosync" it just brings me to the next console line - with or without correct arguments to the script
04:57<jm_>adamber: what do you have in /etc/default/corosync for START?
04:58<adamber>i've set it to "no" on both nodes in the cluster
04:58<adamber>....maybe that should be a yes
04:59<jm_>that's why yes
04:59<jm_>next time this happens use shell to debug it - sh -x /etc/init.d/foo start
04:59<adamber>great - all green now. thanks for the debug tip
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05:01<jm_>no worries
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05:39<jonathan>bonjour
05:39<txt-file>morning
05:40<jonathan>is it a english irc ?
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05:41<txt-file>jonathan: sure
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05:42<jonathan>ok. excuse i don't speak english very well
05:42<txt-file>no problem …
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05:43<txt-file>there are also many other debian related channels in other languages
05:44<mestia>Hi All, how to open a recent initrd image, cpio -t < initrd.img-3.12-1-amd64
05:44<mestia>kernel
05:44<mestia>kernel/x86
05:44<mestia>kernel/x86/microcode
05:44<mestia>kernel/x86/microcode/GenuineIntel.bin
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05:45<mestia>the microcode takes around 36K when the image itslef is 14M
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05:45<jm_>it's concatenated together
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05:46<mestia>is there a way to look on it ?
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05:51<petn-randall>mestia: See this bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=722318
05:51<petn-randall>mestia: last entry has a workaround.
05:51<jm_>tried lsinitramfs?
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05:52<jalcine>debhelper doesn't even give a warning D:
05:52<mestia>jm_, Yes I did, it just lists the filename itself
05:53<jm_>mestia: ok that might be related to the above bug then
05:54<mestia>petn-randall: thank you, after removing intel-microcode I can list the initrd with lsinitramfs
05:54<jm_>maybe something like while cpio -t < filename
05:54<jm_>with syntax fixes I presume
05:55<mestia>jm_: cpio worked fine, but as it was said above it was listing only few files about microcode
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06:00<jm_>mestia: yes hence the while loop, like so -- while cpio -t;do :; done <file
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06:03<petn-randall>jm_: If you have intel-microcode installed, it's two cpio archive concatenated onto each other. The first ist uncompressed ( and contains only microcode), the second one gzip compressed. So you need to know the offset to access the gzip compressed one.
06:03<jm_>petn-randall: yes yes, see above
06:03<petn-randall>So if this bothers you (it makes it hard to debug), maybe poke the maintainer throught he bug report.
06:04<jm_>that shouldn't need to know about any offsets, cpio adds EOF marker or somesuch
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06:22<rostam>hi is gtest (Google test) supported? if yes what is the name of the pkg? thx
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06:25<SynrG>rostam: if you know the name of a particular binary (e.g. in this case probably "gtest"?) you can "apt-file search bin/gtest". for me, this produces nothing but false hits (partial matches)
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06:25<SynrG>so i guess "no"
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06:25<SynrG>!wnpp
06:25<dpkg>For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help.
06:29<rostam>SynrG, A linker fails due to -lgtest missing, so I am missing libgtest.xxx any idea please?
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06:33<stderr>rostam: Maybe install libgtest-dev
06:34<SynrG>^^ and in general, "if a compile fails due to some missing library, find the corresponding -dev package and install it"
06:34<rostam>stderr, SynrG thanks
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06:56<mongrol>boo
06:56<mongrol>anyone here running mythweb from deb-multimedia?
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07:10<SynrG>!mythtv
07:10<dpkg>MythTV is software to turn a Linux box into a complete multi-media entertainment recording and playback center supporting - given the right hardware - TV, movies, music, and more. Not in Debian (ITP filed as bug #570611); unofficial packages can be found in <deb-multimedia>. For tuner card information, ask me about <dvb>, <ivtv>, <bttv>. http://www.mythtv.org/ #mythtv-users on irc.freenode.net.
07:10<SynrG>mongrol: ^^ not supported here. see #mythtv-users @ freenode.
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07:46<mestia>jm: just tried, it works but partially I get garbage output from cpio as if it would try to open a gzipped file,
07:48<jm_>mestia: interesting, so maybe this is not created how I thought
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07:52<mestia>jm_: but it makes sense, initrd is concatenation of gzipped normal initrd + raw cpio of microcode, if you run the command above it tries to open both and fails with gzipped one, I get hell lot of cpio: Malformed number <binary blabla>
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07:53<jm_>mestia: is it concatenated as this (cat file.gz; cat file.cpio) > initrd?
07:53<jm_>or (cat fil1.cpio; cat file2.cpio) > initrd
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07:53<jm_>my "solution" only works for the latter case
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07:54<stderr>cat can take more than one argument...
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07:54<jm_>ok whatever, in reality those commands would not be cat ...
07:55<stderr>Just saying, because some people actually don't know.
07:55<mestia>jm_: to be honest I don't know, but that's how I imagine it :)
07:55<jm_>mestia: probably option 1 then yes
07:56<stderr>"file" can probably tell you what the first part is.
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07:57<mestia>jm_: stderr: sorry I was testing with normal inited right now
07:57<jm_>I should upgrade our file server to have access to standard debian kernel+initrd, I don't use it on my desktop
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07:59<mestia>jm_: stderr: that what file says if I install intel-microcode
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07:59<mestia>/boot/initrd.img-3.12-1-amd64: ASCII cpio archive (SVR4 with no CRC)
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08:00<petn-randall>Does anyone have an idea how iptables geoip is supposed to worked in Wheezy? I have 'geoip-database' and 'xtables-addons-dkms' installed. However, iptables errors out with http://paste.debian.net/79464/. And it's documented how to generate the files in the error message.
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08:00<petn-randall>*And it's not documented
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08:01<stderr>mestia: Then the first part isn't gzip'ed...
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08:02<jm_>so maybe they are option 2 but it's cpio + (cpio|gzip) which makes sense
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08:02<mestia>jm_: yes, most probably
08:02<jm_>petn-randall: tried this http://terminal28.com/how-to-block-countries-using-iptables-debian/ ?
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08:06<jm_>mestia: in that case ( cpio -t; gunzip | cpio -t ) < initrd (assuming it's gzip)
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08:14<Nomastro>hello?
08:14<Nomastro>this is the support channel?
08:14<stderr>world!
08:15<stderr>For Debian, yes.
08:15<SynrG>!ask
08:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
08:15<Nomastro>i'm with debian jessy
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08:15<Nomastro>just installed new wifi card
08:15<txt-file>!jessie
08:15<dpkg>The release following Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie freeze>.
08:16<Nomastro>Realtek 8188ee
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08:16<Nomastro>drivers load into /usr/src/....
08:16<Nomastro>and in /lib/ etc
08:16<Nomastro>the problem is, when i restart de computer
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08:16<Nomastro>debian try to load a driver wich is not mine
08:16<petn-randall>Nomastro: Read what dpkg said, you're in the wrong channel.
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08:19<Nomastro>how i change into jessie channel??
08:19<stderr>/join #debian-next
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08:20<Nomastro>thanks, see you
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08:34<hadi>I'm trying to compile a program, the ./configure script fails to read the directories, it says <name>: no such file or directory. while that directory exist and i can go into it...
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08:35<jm_>try "file configure"
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08:35<petn-randall>jm_: Found the "bug". Apparently you can't use the geoip-database from the same package, you have to download and convert it with the scripts in xtables-common.
08:36<jm_>petn-randall: yeah that's what I also found in another bugreport
08:37<hadi>configure: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable
08:37<jm_>but off now
08:37<hadi>the thing is that it fails to read the directories that it supposed to get in
08:37<jm_>if first line is /bin/sh then run it sh -x ./configure and look what's going on, but I need to run
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08:39<stderr>hadi: What program?
08:40<hadi>stderr: it's liquidsoap. it has kind of a autoconfigure script, but the script fails to read my directories.
08:41<stderr>You do know that it's already in Debian, right?
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08:45<hadi>stderr: I want the new version, 1.1.1. debian has 1.0.1
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08:46<stderr>hadi: Did you get the source from git, a tgz or somewhere else? Where?
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08:47<hadi>stderr: https://github.com/savonet/liquidsoap-full
08:49<stderr>Any errors from bootstrap?
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08:50<hadi>stderr: no, it goes well
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08:51<hadi>stderr: i make init as root, make update as root, cp PACKAGES.default PACKAGES, edit the package file and comment some modules, then ./configure as some other user and it throws me errors
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08:52<stderr>hadi: Can you put the output of configure on paste.debian.net?
08:52<hadi>stderr: http://paste.debian.net/79474/
08:52<stderr>That's all?
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08:53<stderr>hadi: Sorry, I have to go home now. Hopefully someone else have a solution.
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08:54<hadi>stderr: ok. thanks.
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11:48<Fidgett>hi.
11:49<dodo>my hdd have failed this morning. its partition is ext4. http://paste.debian.net/79509/
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11:50<dodo>"If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else)", does it consider that ext4 is a ext2?
11:50<dodo>because i have runned fsck.ext4 /dev/sdc
11:51<txt-file>dodo, ext4 is not backward compatible
11:51<dodo>run*
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11:51<txt-file>you can mount an ext2/ext3 with the ext4 driver but you can not mount a ext4 with ext3/ext2 driver
11:51<dodo>so i can't run the command "e2fsck -b 8193 <device>" as it suggest
11:52<dodo>?
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11:52<dodo>also, Gparted says that i don't have a partition table
11:52<txt-file>have you checked the man page?
11:53<dodo>i will
11:54<txt-file>"e2fsck - check a Linux ext2/ext3/ext4 file system"
11:54<dodo>"If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else)"
11:54<firechariot>hello, is there a debian-networking channel?
11:55<txt-file>firechariot, you can also ask here …
11:55<txt-file>or what do you mean?
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11:57<bnoji>I was able to get ubuntu 13.10 to boot alongside Win 8 w/ secure boot enabled
11:57<bnoji>so, it seems if I can install debian but replace grub 2 with ubuntu's signed loader, I can get debian to dual boot with win 8?
11:57<firechariot>txt-file, I am doing an nmap -O localhost & the only thing displaying is my smtp port connection, though I have a bittorrent client running also though not actually displaying itself
11:57<bnoji>or do all of the drivers need to be signed as well?
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11:58<txt-file>firechariot, IMHO nmap does only scan the first 1023 ports
11:59<firechariot>txt-file, what is the command for testing all port connections?
12:00<txt-file>firechariot, -p1-32768
12:00<blast007>firechariot: the -p option lets you specify a port list/range. see 'man nmap' for details.
12:00<blast007>and that would only be the first half of the ports
12:00<txt-file>maybe you need a space between -p and the range
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12:01<blast007>firechariot: why are you using nmap for that though? you can see listening ports on your local system with 'netstat -l'
12:03<firechariot>blast007, nmap is what was listed in a page I discovered in an internet search
12:03<blast007>or even 'netstat -lntu' to show listening TCP/UDP ports and have it show numeric address and ports
12:03<dodo>damn.... i missed an argument... and i formated the disk... o.O
12:03<txt-file>dodo, backup early backup often
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12:07<bnoji>Does anyone know if I can install Ubuntu (w/ secure boot), then turn off secure boot and install debian with no bootloader, then turn it back on and add debian to ubuntus signed bootloader?
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12:10<firechariot>blast007, it appears the result of netstat -l lists Server connections that are referencing my local machine?
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12:11<blast007>yeah
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12:11<firechariot>blast007, there's no reason for all these servers to reference me. How do I close it all down?
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12:12<txt-file>firechariot, you might look what is listen on which address
12:12<thenoblebot>hmmm
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12:13<firechariot>txt-file, a bunch of unix STREAMs mostly
12:14<blast007>firechariot: those are not network accessible from what I understand.. just used for communication on the local machine
12:15<blast007>firechariot: see the second command I gave you (netstat -lntu)
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12:16<firechariot>blast007, they all show Send-Q 0, Receive-Q 0
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12:17<blast007>firechariot: that's the send/receive queue. Just means they don't have data pending to be processed or sent.
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12:19<firechariot>blast007, again the question is, "Why isn't the bittorrent displaying its' activity?" is really what I'm concerned about
12:19<firechariot>or really, "Why isn't the bittorrent activity displaying in a port reference?"
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12:29<firechariot>wait, I just discovered why. Either Domain Service is running it in port 53 or this other reference, though it's listed Service Unknown... suggestions?
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12:35<petn-randall>firechariot: Portscanning an ip (or localhost) from the same machine will yield different results than scanning it from outside.
12:35<petn-randall>firechariot: What exactly are you doing, what are you expecting?
12:36<firechariot>petn-randall, I'm actually just trying to make certain my system is secure
12:37<petn-randall>bnoji: No idea, you'd have to ask #ubuntu how their secure boot is implemented.
12:38<bnoji>supposedly, theirs can boot other kernels
12:38<petn-randall>bnoji: No idea, since I don't know how Ubuntu works. You'd have to ask them.
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12:39<bnoji>any experience with the shim?
12:39<petn-randall>firechariot: Can you paste any data that you're seeing?
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12:39<bnoji>I know it's not in debian, but i cant find info on installing with it.
12:39<petn-randall>bnoji: Probably because it's hacky at best. But it's getting quite offtopic for #debian.
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12:40<alessio>ciao
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12:42<Fidgett>looks like many of - still using ubuntu - wish to move to debian.
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12:44<Fidgett>i am a debian-wanna-be - with a full-disk encryption Requirement... sooooo...
12:44<Fidgett>part-1/4 > please help me - if you can... i have done another clean [deb-noob] wheezy install with full-disk encryption that was clearly "successful" - but NOT really. this install, like the last, rebooted into a black screen - and not anything graphical - as i was expecting. then my encryption passphrase properly saw and unlocked the lvms -
12:44<Fidgett>2/4 > - as expected... this is, so far, similar to my fully-encrypted ubuntu system [which i use everyday - and would like to replace with debian...] i EXPECTED the screen FOLLOWING the Decrypting-Action, to be a graphical-looking basic login-screen - where you choose to log in next with the owner/user-password - into a desktop. [also: yes,
12:45<Fidgett>3/4 > during the install, i kept the selections of *Desktop and *Standard...] but INSTEAD - i get a black screen that reads: Debian GNU/Linux 7 myhostname tty1... and then it asks for login - then it accepts my username - asks for the Password - then accepts the pass and says: Linux hostname thekernel [i went with the default choice] #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 i686 [next paragragh:]
12:45<Fidgett>4/4 > The programs included... free software; the...comeswith...no warrenty......applicable law. then [next line] myusername@hostname:~$ Can anyone help me install whatever is missing? the wireless will not work but i can use ethernet and update. i used the CD-1 option for the iso that i burned... anyone? what am i missing? ?
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12:53<petn-randall>Fidgett: For some reason your login manager for your desktop environment didn't start. Did you get any error messages on the screen?
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12:58<Fidgett>hi - petn-randall: no. no error msgs that i saw.
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13:00<Fidgett>so what is this called - this black screen - with " user@host:~$ " ???
13:00<Fidgett>and can i start the login manager from it?
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13:05<blast007>Fidgett: that is a terminal or console. You might want to check if there's an Xorg log file in /var/log as it might indicate the issue.
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13:07<Fidgett>blast007: might you easily instruct me on how? i just searched based on what petn-randall said and am wondering about entering startx as a command...
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13:09<blast007>Fidgett: perhaps 'less /var/log/Xorg.0.log', but I don't have Xorg on my system to know if that's the right file for sure.
13:09<Fidgett>what about startx ?
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13:10<blast007>again, I don't have Xorg on my system..
13:11<danette>HELLO
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13:13<stderr_dk>Fidgett: /var/log/Xorg.0.log is the right log file.
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13:13<Fidgett> i don't even know what xorg is - and yet i use full-disk encryption. [people stopped making fun of me last year for caring about privacy...] so can i just start the login manager with a command and then see it doing debian updates will remedy this? your thots?
13:14<stderr_dk>Normally, you wouldn't run startx directly, but instead start gdm, xdm or whatever display manager, you're using. (Or that's what I would do...)
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13:14<Fidgett>i don't know how to get to that file, is what i am saying.
13:15<stderr_dk>less /var/log/Xorg.0.log should work.
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13:15<Fidgett>okay - i will try it.
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13:16<stderr_dk>I don't know which display manager you have, but try dpkg --get-selections | grep -e gdm -e xdm -e lightdm -e kdm (Did I forget some?)
13:16<Fidgett>i get "no such file or directory"
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13:17<Fidgett>okay i will try dpkg --get-selections | grep -e gdm -e xdm -e lightdm -e kdm
13:17<stderr_dk>Could be that xorg isn't installed at all.
13:18<stderr_dk>You don't have to tell us that you're trying the commands we ask you to try... Just try them and give us the output, either here if it's just one line or on paste.debian.net if it's multiple lines.
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13:21<Fidgett>okay. got it-thank you. and what is xorg? and can i do updates to remedy? or should i re-install and go for the option to connect to the internet for the install which will add time [whatever- i don't care if it takes long - re-installing repeatedly takes a long time and time is how i have gotten this far...]
13:23-!-mode/#debian [+l 662] by debhelper
13:23<stderr_dk>Let's just find out what's missing and install that...
13:23<stderr_dk>No output from the dpkg --get-selections | grep -e gdm -e xdm -e lightdm -e kdm ?
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13:25<Fidgett>thank you - and i love you all - in the most appropriate of ways! bout to try above...
13:25<backbox>hi
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13:25<backbox>anyone here for help me...?
13:25<blast007>backbox: do you have a Debian question?
13:25<stderr_dk>backbox: Not unless you tell us what the problem is.
13:25<abrotman>dpkg: backbox
13:25<dpkg>BackBox Linux is a distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid, developed to perform penetration tests and security assessments. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.backbox.org/ #backbox on irc.autistici.org. See also <based on debian>.
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13:27<Fidgett>i got this: grep: kdm: No such file or directory
13:27<stderr_dk>Fidgett: You forget the "-e" in front of kdm.
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13:27<Fidgett>thanks brb
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13:29<Fidgett>i got this: libxdmpc6:i386
13:30<stderr_dk>Ok, that's not what we want... Nothing else?
13:30<Fidgett>nothing else.
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13:31<stderr_dk>How about dpkg --get-selections | grep xorg ?
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13:32<Fidgett>whaooo.
13:34<Fidgett>big list of xorg and xserver items and each has spaces before a column on the right of the word "install"
13:34<stderr_dk>Great!
13:34<stderr_dk>So you got the X server installed.
13:34<Fidgett>core, input, video...
13:34<Fidgett>next?
13:35<stderr_dk>Do you want to use Gnome, XFCE, KDE, ...?
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13:37<Brianwuz>can ne1 help me figure out why my script will not run chroot?
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13:37<stderr_dk>Brianwuz: Maybe... Can you put it on paste.debian.net?
13:38<stderr_dk>Do you mean "run in a chroot" or "setuid root"?
13:38<Brianwuz>this is the command:
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13:38<Brianwuz>$DISTDIR/boot/chroot $DISK1/$DISTDIR linux/boot/linuxrc
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13:40<Brianwuz>it's pasted
13:40<Fidgett>stderr_dk: um i have been intending to use gnome [after reading articles on dumbuntu's unity-choices being bad for privacy] but i am wondering if kde is just as user friendly - do you know? i was linux-curious for years and i would be happy to learn something besides gnome just to be more well-rounded and learn. i have rather basic computer business-needs - aside from the critical-need for encryption.
13:42<stderr_dk>Fidgett: I don't use KDE, so I wouldn't know. Can you check dpkg --get-selections | grep gnome and see if gnome is already installed?
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13:43<stderr_dk>Brianwuz: Is /mnt/... mounted inside the chroot?
13:43<Brianwuz>i pasted the output log also
13:43<abrotman>Fidgett: can't hurt to try it, right ?
13:44<Brianwuz>there isn't currently a chroot
13:44<Fidgett>stderr_dk: i get Nothing
13:44<stderr_dk>Brianwuz: When you paste something on paste.debian.net, please give us the link. Makes everything a little bit easier... :-)
13:45<Fidgett>abrotman: do you use kde? and is it as easy for newbs as gnome?
13:45<Brianwuz>sorry 79533
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13:46<stderr_dk>Brianwuz: Are you running Debian?
13:46<Fidgett>stderr_dk: i feel safe with "going for the gnome."
13:46<Brianwuz>yes squeeze
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13:47<stderr_dk>Brianwuz: It looks like your version of chroot is trying to chroot into a dir called "--help" and since that dir doesn't exist, you get an error message.
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13:47<Brianwuz>all the echos and line numbers and --help are for troubleshooting, just to see if it will run it
13:48<Brianwuz>to see if it sees the command
13:48<stderr_dk>That's why I asked if you're running Debian. Debians chroot would give a helpful message when you use "--help". Yours doesn't...
13:49<Brianwuz>I don't think it is finding the file
13:49<stderr_dk>You would get a different error message if chroot wasn't found: -bash: chroot: command not found
13:49<stderr_dk>Try which chroot
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13:49<Brianwuz>even from just sh?
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13:50<stderr_dk>sh: chroot: not found
13:50<Brianwuz>ok, I have to put it in the script and reboot. don't have ssh yet
13:50<stderr_dk>Reboot?!
13:50<firechariot>hello, how to I determine if I'm running 32 or 64 bit?
13:50<Brianwuz>its a nas box
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13:51<Brianwuz>till I get ssh up, the only input I have is the script file
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13:51<Brianwuz>and my log output
13:51<Beluki>firechariot: what does "uname -a" show?
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13:52<stderr_dk>Fidgett: Sorry... So you had xorg, but neither gnome, nor gdm, so let's install those... apt-get install gnome gdm should do that.
13:52<firechariot>Beluki, 1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 i686 GNU/Linux
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13:53<Cessel>firechariot: dpkg --print-architecture would also show it
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13:53<Beluki>firechariot: you are running a 32bit kernel then.
13:53<firechariot>i386 is 32 bit
13:53<firechariot>:(
13:54<firechariot>is there a way to upgrade to 64 bit outside doing a new install?
13:54<ahmad>hi all
13:54<Fidgett>stderr_dk: i am not connected to the internet [but can be in a flash] and the install disc is removed... so how?
13:54<Cessel>as long as you don't have more than 4GB, 32bit is ok
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13:54<Brianwuz>it's rebooting. If I do a chroot --help on my ubuntu 7 it shows help msg
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13:54<Beluki>firechariot: your best option is to do a new install.
13:54<firechariot>Cessel, I thought 32 bit slows down faster processors
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13:55<Cessel>? don't think so
13:55<stderr_dk>Brianwuz: So does the normal Debian version. No idea what's going on on your NAS box. Are you sure it's running Debian?
13:55<firechariot>so then, acquire 6GB RAM & upgrade to 64 bit?
13:55<Brianwuz>which: No such file or directory
13:56<Brianwuz>yes, squeeze
13:57<Cessel>firechariot: what do you want with so much RAM? DO have any special needs? A debian desktop system is totally fine with <=4GB
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13:58<firechariot>well, I was thinking there's an advantage to running 64bit, yes?
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13:59<Fidgett>stderr_dk: command " apt-get install gnome gdm " gave me could not open - permission denied and asked if i a root. then i tried command with sudo in front and got -bash: sudo: command not found
14:00<Cessel>firechariot: as far as i'm concerned, it allows your system & applications to address more than 4gb ram.
14:00<Cessel>firechariot: as a matter of fact, if you run a 64bit system without needing so much address space, you can slow down your system
14:00<Fidgett>stderr_dk: also - i did with this install do the root login and chose a password for that.
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14:00<firechariot>That works for the time. Gracias Cessel :)
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14:01<claudio>hello
14:01<Cessel>firechariot: because your binaries will be bigger and need a longer time to load ... but thats just relevant for benchmarks or high throughput systems
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14:05<stderr_dk>Fidgett: You need to run apt-get as root.
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14:09<Fidgett>stderr_dk: how? and install-disc is [of course] removed. do i need to connect to internet? no wireless on my laptop but ethernet close at hand...
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14:14<stderr_dk>Yes, you would need either the install CD or a network connection.
14:16<Fidgett>ok i just logged in as root and have the # instead of $ and...
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14:17<Fidgett>i now am on the ethernet
14:17<stderr_dk>Fidgett: apt-get install gnome gdm
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14:20<Fidgett>stderr_dk: pkg not available but referred to by another pckg...however -pkg replaces it: gnome-control-center-data - so try that?
14:21<Fidgett>also: it said: E: packages gnome and gdm have no installation candidate.
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14:23<stderr_dk>Fidgett: nano /etc/apt/sources.list and check if you got these 3 lines:
14:23<stderr_dk>!sources.list
14:23<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
14:23<stderr_dk>If not, add them. Then Ctrl+X to save and exit.
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14:24<jchaoul>any recomendations for linux tool to check if certain ports are available to monitor remote server?
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14:26<Fidgett>stderr_dk: 2 lines state the 7.3.0 wheezy ...and...Binary-1 20131215-03:40/ wheezy main
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14:26<stderr_dk>jchaoul: I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but netstat or nmap might be an answer, depending on what you mean...
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14:27<stderr_dk>Fidgett: What's the first part of those lines?
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14:29<stderr_dk>Fidgett: Add the three lines dpkg mentioned.
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14:29<Fidgett>stderr_dk: i am unsure what you mean - the first line is: # ...and the second line says: # deb cdrom:[Deb... and... the third line is identical to the second but without the # sign at the beginning.
14:29<stderr_dk># in both lines?
14:30<stderr_dk>Great... Add the "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main" lines and save the file.
14:30<Fidgett>line one has just a # sign.
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14:31<stderr_dk>Fidgett: Do you what to use the install CD as a source or is it easier for you to just use the net?
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14:31<Fidgett>line two has # deb cdrom:[Debian... and ends in wheezy main...
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14:32<_Brett_>hi
14:32<Fidgett>stderr_dk: will the cd work just as well?
14:32<stderr_dk>Fidgett: It doesn't have all the packages and you need to keep it around...
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14:34<Fidgett>?
14:34<stderr_dk>I need to make a phone call. BRB...
14:34<Fidgett>i am in this nano-thing...
14:34<_Brett_>After booting with the Debian network installer i got an error "some of your hardware needs non-free firmware files to operate". Say's i need rtlwifi/8192cfwu_b.bin and rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw
14:35<Fidgett>i'll brb too.
14:39<_Brett_>i think i found it. do i need to extract this deb file and put the containing files on a flash drive or just put the deb file on the flash drive?
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14:40<bnoji>Testing to see if win 8 will boot without secure boot enabled.
14:40*bnoji hopes it will.
14:40<bnoji>it does.
14:41<bnoji>so, I should be able to install debian w/ uefi and no secure boot as usual, right?
14:41<bnoji>just shrink, repartition, install and point grub to win 8 also?
14:42<dondelelcaro>bnoji: I would think so; I haven't actually tested that myself, though
14:42<stderr_dk>It's much easier to delete Windows and never use it again... :-)
14:42<_Brett_>i'm surprised you got windows 8 booting without secure boot
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14:43<bnoji>stderr_dk: I have to have windows on at least one machine at home.
14:44<stderr_dk>Fidgett: I would make sure all the "deb cdrom:"-lines starts with a "#"... And then make sure you add those 3 lines from dpkg. After doing that, save the file.
14:44<sney>bnoji: should basically work, as long as your particular uefi is able to boot syslinux and grub
14:44<bnoji>_Brett_: It's a refurb laptop, so it may have been a win 7 upgrade?
14:44<bnoji>sney: it should be able to. it can boot the ubuntu live cd w/ secure boot enabled.
14:44<sney>aiui, win8 does not /require/ secure boot, it just really recommends it. you can opt out.
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14:44<bnoji>sney: I think win 8 pre-installs require secure boot
14:44<bnoji>so do win RT
14:45<bnoji>(arm
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14:45<sney>yeah ARM enforces it but ARM is an entirely different situation from x86 in many regards
14:45<bnoji>win 7 to win 8 upgrades do not require it.
14:45<_Brett_>my laptop came with windows 8. yuck
14:46<bnoji>Ubuntu will work 100% (UEFI + Secure Boot), and since my win 8 will boot without it...I can install debian with uefi.
14:46<sney>there you go. let us know if you get stuck.
14:46<_Brett_>so this error message is saying it needs a bin and fw file but when i google them they come in this deb file. i'm not sure how to use it
14:47<bnoji>My last ditch was going to be install Ubuntu, then install debian with no bootloader, then somehow point the ubuntu signed loader to the debian kernel
14:47<_Brett_>just put the deb file on my flash drive?
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14:47<sney>_Brett_: installer firmware? it's easier to use the firmware netinstall image. the install guide has the instructions for doing it the other way
14:50<_Brett_>I downloaded the Debian 7.3 Amd64 NetInst image because I wanted to do a network install to save bandwidth. The error message say's it's looking for a bin and fw file so I don't know what to do with this deb file.
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14:52<sney>!firmware image
14:52<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>.
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14:54<_Brett_>Do I need to be concerned with using an unofficial image?
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14:54<sney>it's only 'unofficial' because of the debian policy. it's still a real debian installer
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14:56<_Brett_>because it has non-free software i'm assuming>
14:56<_Brett_>?
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14:57<bnoji>GNOME, KDE, LXDE or Xfce?
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14:58<bnoji>I've been using xfce at home.
14:58<sney>_Brett_: exactly
14:58<kveroneau>For a program such as "celery", what's the norm among Debian admins? Do you prefer to install it via the Debian repositories, although it's a fairly old version, or do you grab the latest bleeding edge release from the website and install that from source?
14:58<sney>bnoji: whatever floats your boat.
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14:58<hadi>Hi. How can i fix this error?
14:58<bnoji>I'm not up to speed on gnome.
14:58<hadi>checking for lo/lo.h... no
14:58<hadi>configure: error: LO headers (version >= 0.26) not found.
14:58<kveroneau>I ask this mainly about "celery", as Debian stable has 2.5.3, and the latest is currenty 3.1
14:58<bnoji>xfce it is.
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14:59<_Brett_>i'm going with gnome :)
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14:59<_Brett_>i'm not cumming in my pants over the eye candy environments
14:59<sney>kveroneau: best practice says use the debian package whenever possible, and if that's not good enough, then work within the package manager. installing source packages can get messy especially with dependencies
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15:00<towo`>hadi, install liblo-dev and learn to use apt-file
15:00<sney>hadi: install the requisite -dev package. apt-file may help you (apt-get install apt-file, apt-file update, apt-file search lo.h)
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15:00<Donald_ET3>What do you think about Common Desktop Environment?
15:00<hadi>i know how to install packages, i just didn't know what package i need.
15:01<hadi>thanks~
15:01<sney>Donald_ET3: it was pretty neat back in the early 90s. it's a bit of a relic now. xfce was started as an upgrade to the same kind of interface before it evolved into its current look
15:02<hadi>what is the difference between apt-file and apt-cache? is there any?
15:02<sney>apt-file searches the contents
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15:03<hadi>there is a feature in apt-cache, it's apt-cache search.
15:03<hadi>oh
15:03<sney>that does not search the /contents/ of the packages.
15:03<hadi>oh i know what you mean, cheers that's nice. i'll install it
15:03<hadi>thanku
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15:12<_Brett_>I burned the unofficial image to a cd. Hopefully I can get this installed. Thanks for the help.
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15:21<kveroneau>sney, thank you. That is what I thought. Celery can also be installed via "pip" a Python package tool, however it compiles binary images which I am trying to avoid in a production environment.
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15:22<seb58>bonsoir
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15:23<seb58>french?
15:24<sney>!fr
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15:53<kike>hola, q es esto?
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15:54<kardan>heyho, since the last restart postgres complains about wrong locale: Restarting PostgreSQL 9.1 database server: mainThe PostgreSQL server failed to start. Please check the log output: FATAL: invalid value for parameter "lc_messages": "en_US" ... failed
15:54<kardan>dpkg-reconfigure locales => the proper naming is "en_US.UTF-8"
15:55<kardan>as my databases are set to en_US, what is necessary to name system locale like that?
15:56<kardan>should I set an alias in /etc/locale.alias or just add it to locale.gen?
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15:59<valdyn>kardan: why dont you generate both locales?
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16:00<kardan>valdyn, en_US is not offered in the ncurses list, only en_US.UTF-8 is
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16:03<kardan>and I don't know how to change that list.
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16:04<valdyn>kardan: i dont know, i believe you should configure your server to a locale that is available
16:05<valdyn>http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/runtime-config-client.html#RUNTIME-CONFIG-CLIENT-FORMAT
16:05<kardan>I can change the name of the locale in the postgres config but then I need to change all my databases as well. yet I do not even understand, why the locale name has changed.
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16:06<valdyn>kardan: no i dont think the database can even be locale dependent
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16:06<valdyn>kardan: ( or how stupid would it be to store dates differently depending on locale? )
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16:07<valdyn>kardan: locales merely specifiy how in- or output is translated
16:08<kardan>thanks valdyn. I tried to set lc_messages before: FATAL: database locale is incompatible with operating system (PG::ConnectionBad) DETAIL: The database was initialized with LC_COLLATE "en_US", which is not recognized by setlocale(). HINT: Recreate the database with another locale or install the missing locale.
16:08<valdyn>kardan: i see, i stand corrected
16:08<kardan>that indeed is quite stupid.
16:09<valdyn>kardan: in that case you should probably be using en_US.ISO-8859-1
16:09<valdyn>kardan: and link en_US to that
16:09<valdyn>kardan: nevermind, we both misread
16:09<kardan>thanks! that made en_US available.
16:10<valdyn>kardan: en_US exists
16:10<valdyn>kardan: theres no dot between en_US and ISO-88xxx
16:11<kardan>great. how did you know that?
16:11<valdyn>kardan: not at all, cut and paste made me notice
16:12<kardan>I mean that en_US.ISO.. is en_US
16:12<valdyn>kardan: there is no en_US.ISO...
16:12<valdyn>kardan: read the list again, theres no dot
16:12<me>does anyone here use virt-manager?
16:12<me>virt-manager with debian?
16:12<kardan>ah I see .. :)
16:12<valdyn>!anyone use
16:12<dpkg>No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it.
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16:13<me>valdyn: thanks
16:13<valdyn>me: just ask your question, not if someone uses whatever
16:14<me>In virt-manager : I can create a new storage pool, and a new volume image in a target directory... but when I get to the last step for installing a new VM it throws an error saying that I don't have permission to open the volume.img file I just created for the virtual hdd.
16:15<me>I can only create a new vm if I make it in /var/lib/libvirt/images
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16:15<valdyn>me: are you in the libvirt group?
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16:15<me>yes, I added the user to libvirt;libvirt-qemu; and kvm
16:16<valdyn>me: and you need to log out and log back in after you added yourself to a group
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16:16<me>doh... I do?
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16:17<me>I know I logged out once or twice... I'll log out now and back in just to make sure.
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16:19<me>I'm back, no luck... This is the error : Unable to complete install: 'internal error: process exited while connecting to monitor: qemu-system-x86_64: -drive file=/media/me/evo-1/Virtual-Machines/kvmtest/test2.img,if=none,id=drive-virtio-disk0,format=raw: could not open disk image /media/me/evo-1/Virtual-Machines/kvmtest/test2.img: Could not open '/media/me/evo-1/Virtual-Machines/kvmtest/test2.img': Permission denied
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16:19<valdyn>me: thats not a directory i could know the permissions of
16:20<me>the permissions are 777
16:20<me>or 666
16:20<me>tried em both, no luck
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16:21<valdyn>me: run "ls /media/me/evo-1/Virtual-Machines/kvmtest/test2.img" and show us the output
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16:22<stderr_dk>Could also be the permissions on one of the dirs in that path.
16:22<me>-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1048576000 Jan 31 15:23 kvmtest/test2.img
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16:23<valdyn>me: thats not the actual output
16:24<me>ls -l -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1048576000 Jan 31 15:23 /media/me/evo-1/Virtual-Machines/kvmtest/test2.img
16:24<valdyn>me: your virt-manager tries to transfer ownership of that file
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16:25<valdyn>me: that is failing, maybe because its a filesystem that does not support file owner / group
16:25<me>if I recall it is ext4
16:25<valdyn>-rw-r--r-- 1 libvirt-qemu libvirt-qemu <- that would be proper permissions for instance
16:26<valdyn>me: check, dont recall
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16:26<me>That is how the permissions started out... when if first gave me the error. I set the permissions via chmod 777 in order to try and fix it...
16:26<valdyn>me: or you could run the command shown in the error and see what happens if you run that
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16:27<valdyn>me: show us the output for "mount"
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16:28<me>all of it? This is what pertains to that drive : /dev/sda1 on /media/me/evo-1 type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uhelper=udisks2)
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16:30<valdyn>me: just that
16:31<me>valdyn: one thing that had me a little confused was setting up qemu.conf... do I need to edit that file? If I don't can't the package just operate off of defaults?
16:31<valdyn>me: virt-manager just works by default
16:32<me>Well, I've tried both... editing qemu.conf so that the use and group are both root, and again by just leaving it alone... still same error...
16:33<Fidgett>stderr_dk: hi. i really appreciate... so your first comment after i left was to: << make sure all the "deb cdrom:"-lines starts with a "#"... And then make sure you add those 3 lines from dpkg. After doing that, save the file. >> i am stuck - and to be more specific line-1 is: # and then line-2 is blank - there are just spaces - and then line-3 is the line that starts with # deb cdrom:[Deb...
16:33<Fidgett>stderr_dk: - and ends with ...215-03:40]/ wheezy main and these first lines are in blue [and i don't know what the color-meanings are] and line-4 is also blank and line-5 is the exactly the same as line-3 EXCEPT with out the # sign at the beginning and it starts with "deb" in orange and the rest of it in white - ending with "wheezy main"
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16:33<Fidgett>stderr_dk: and when i started this - i thought that [since dumbuntu is based on debian] this would be an easier process - easier than my successful ubuntu-full-on-encryption endeaver - not harder - so thank you for helping me. i will pay this forward and help others to leave/stay-away from the dark side. in regard to your comment:
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16:34<Fidgett>stderr_dk: i will now try to add a # ...but i don't understand your "add those 3 lines from dpkg." could you dumb-it-down a notch for me?
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16:34<stderr_dk>!sources.list
16:34<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
16:34<stderr_dk>Line 1 of the 3 lines from dpkg: deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main
16:35<stderr_dk>Line 2 of 3: "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main
16:35<stderr_dk>And line 3: deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main
16:35<me>These are the packages I installed using apt-get: qemu-kvm virt-manager spice-client-gtk (allowing all dependencies and recommends)
16:35<stderr_dk>Line 2 without the " of course...
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16:36<rpglover64>So... I installed i3 and spectrwm which installed dunst (I think that's when it started), and now I can't get my notifications to get back to the normal XFCE style.
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16:36<rpglover64>I tried forcibly removing and purging anything I could think of that I installed since
16:37<rpglover64>Is there a way to tell which daemon is receiving the libnotify messages?
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16:37<valdyn>me: i cant see where your permissions problem could come from except the nodev flag
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16:38<stderr_dk>Fidgett: The lines in blue all start with a "#". Those are comments.
16:38<Fidgett>thank you.
16:38<stderr_dk>Fidgett: The orange and white (and the blue) are syntax highlighting.
16:38<me>the drive is automounted through thunar in xfce, do you know how I could turn it off?
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16:40<Fidgett>stderr_dk: okay i added a # so now it is all in blue. what next, please?
16:40<valdyn>me: mount -o remount,dev /media/me/evo-1
16:40<stderr_dk>Fidgett: Did you add the 3 lines?
16:40<Fidgett>no i don't understand - what 3 lines?
16:41<stderr_dk><stderr_dk> Line 1 of the 3 lines from dpkg: deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main
16:41<valdyn>me: oh well, thats not it
16:42<Fidgett>ok... looking...
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16:42<me>thanks for the help valdyn. much appreciated.
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16:48<valdyn>me: its that error: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1330246
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16:49<me>valdyn: you found it alright!
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16:51<Fidgett>stderr_dk: i have gone to the link you gave and i don't see anything called dpkg and don't know how to find what you are kindly trying to direct me to.
16:52<stderr_dk>That wasn't a link to go to... That was the 1st line.
16:52<stderr_dk>Starting with "deb". Ending with "main".
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16:52<me>valdyn: the link says it is solved but I don't see a solution...
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16:53<me>it mentioned something about qemu running as nobody... do I need to create a "qemu" user on my host?
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16:54<valdyn>me: no, just ensure all directories on the path to your image are also executable for all
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16:54<me>so as long as it is executable, what about write permissions?
16:55<valdyn>me: the write permission on the file matter
16:55<me>but not the directories in the path I assume...
16:55<valdyn>me: but directories just need to be executable
16:55<me>ok, cool
16:55<me>I'll give it a try...
16:55<dotut>hello, wanted to know if there was a tool that compares list of installed packages from one debian setup to another? right now just doing a diff of the output of 'dpkg -l'
16:56<sney>--get-selections might be better
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16:56<dotut>sney: really? i thought they were the same?
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16:57<sney>not sure
16:57<sney>there's also:
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16:57<sney>!aptitude clone
16:57<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
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16:57<Fidgett>stderr_dk: ok. clearly i am missing something. in this nano-deal, there are 3 lines, now all in blue, since i added the # . exactly what should i do next? by "add" do you mean "save?"
16:58<stderr_dk>You have a cursor in that editor, right?
16:58<dotut>sney: ok will try that...specifically i wanted to see what packages were missing and the versions of the installed packages...trying to decipher the weirdness of a server issue..
16:58<stderr_dk>Move it down below the blue lines.
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17:00<Fidgett>stderr_dk: yes got-curser. and i moved it down to line-6.
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17:01<stderr_dk>Type "deb" followed by a space, then "http://http.debian.net/debian/" space "wheezy" space "main" and finally enter.
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17:01<stderr_dk>Or in short: deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main
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17:04<Fidgett>stderr_dk: ok - done - with pretty rainbow colors now.
17:04<stderr_dk>Ok, next line: deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main
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17:05<Fidgett>is a line full of spaces between each line a good practice/ecceptible?
17:06<me>valdyn: THANK YOU !!!!!!! WORKS!
17:06<stderr_dk>A blank line is fine if you think that make the file easier to read.
17:06<Fidgett>cool
17:06<me>I'll be back the next time I break something :)
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17:06<stderr_dk>me: See you in 5 secs... :-)
17:07<babilen>me: You are a member of the libvirt group, aren't you?
17:07<stderr_dk>Fidgett: Are you ready for the third line?
17:08<Fidgett>yes
17:08<stderr_dk>The third and final line: deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main
17:08<me>babilen: yes... everything seems to be working fine for now... thanks a bunch to all of you in #debian.
17:09<babilen>Fidgett: http://paste.debian.net/79563/
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17:09<babilen>me: So you *are* a member of that group, but you tried to use an external location for your virtual machines? The problem was solved by making it accessible to, well, whom recursively?
17:10<stderr_dk>babilen: You might want to update the "sources.list" factoid, if you think all those lines are needed.
17:10<rostam>HI I have two partition on my disk I have installed debian on one partition, i.e. /dev/sda1. I like to install debian on /dev/sda2, in the field (automated). Is this possible? thx
17:10<babilen>stderr_dk: I don't necessarily (e.g. wheezy-backports is definitely not needed, but won't hurt)
17:11<Fidgett>stderr_dk: the 3rd line is in and i think perfectly.
17:11<stderr_dk>babilen: Right now we're just trying to give him some online sources so he can get gnome and gdm.
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17:12<babilen>Sure, just thought I provide a complete example :)
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17:12<stderr_dk>Fidgett: Triple check with what dpkg told you in private earlier and see if you got all three lines correct.
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17:12<stderr_dk>When you're sure, Ctrl+X to save and exit.
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17:29<Fidgett>stderr_dk: ohhhhh... i was confused/unsure - and actually did NOT think - that those comments were directed to me. . . also - just now noticed the pm-tab [i am ALSO new to irc] and now... yes - i verified that the 3 lines that i have added, are just as what dpkg said. i don't know this nano-program, but i see to exit: ^X and [anticipating your next instruction] am wondering, do i enter both ^ and THEN X and then hit enter?
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17:29<Fidgett>opps. just read above...
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17:32<Fidgett>stderr_dk: it says: File Name to Write: /etc/apt/sources.list - and several choices...
17:33<stderr_dk>Yes, sir...
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17:34<Fidgett>stderr_dk: and DOS, Mac, Append, Backup... Cancel... Prepend...
17:35<stderr_dk>Oh, I thought it was the "save yes/no" question... Just press enter.
17:36<stderr_dk>Fidgett: I assume you got your command prompt back now? If so, run "aptitude update", let it finish and then run "apt-get install gnome gdm".
17:37<Fidgett>stderr_dk: pressed enter and now still in nano but at bottom root@hostname:~#
17:37<Fidgett>still in nano.
17:38<stderr_dk>If you got the "root@..." prompt, you're not in nano anymore.
17:38<Fidgett>it says nano at the top.
17:38<Fidgett>GNU nano 2.2.6
17:39<stderr_dk>But when you write something, it's at the # prompt, right?
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17:40<Fidgett>and the file in /etc at the top - and - yes writing at bottom follows root prompt.
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17:40<stderr_dk>You're just seeing output from the previous program. nano does normally remove that when you quit it. Not sure why it didn't in your case.
17:40<Fidgett>so nest?
17:40<Fidgett>next?
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17:40<stderr_dk><stderr_dk> Fidgett: I assume you got your command prompt back now? If so, run "aptitude update", let it finish and then run "apt-get install gnome gdm".
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17:42<Fidgett>by run you meant type: aptitude update - and then press enter, right?
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17:42<Fidgett>i did and got
17:42<stderr_dk>Yes.
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17:44<Fidgett>Err http://http.debian.net wheezy Release.gpg
17:45<Fidgett>next line: Could not reslove 'http.debian.net'
17:45<stderr_dk>You said earlier you were online from that computer.
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17:46<Fidgett>so i was very careful comparing your lines with dpkg - they did match and i AM connected with an ethernet.
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17:47<stderr_dk>But not online...
17:48<Fidgett>i don't know how to tell. i have been online regularily and recently with this laptop on ethernet using ubuntu and occasionally tails.
17:48<stderr_dk>Can you run "ifconfig" and see if eth0 is up and got an IP-address?
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17:53<Fidgett>lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 ...blah, blah, blah... and i will not cry at this juncture...
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17:55<stderr_dk>But nothing about eth0?
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17:55<Fidgett>no, sadly.
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17:56<stderr_dk>Did you configure the networking when you installed Debian?
17:57<stderr_dk>I need to take a break soon, if someone wants to take over...
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18:03<Fidgett>unless there is a not-obvious code that means etho... and no - i did not configure it. [ i now realize] because while DOING the expert install - while not BEING an expert - my goal was to replicate my success with full-crypto-ubuntu - only in debian! I was motivated to succeed in the encrypted ubuntu - by not finding another open-source way to do full-disk encryption. so should i start over?
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18:04<Fidgett>with a new install - only this time over the internet? i only used the disc in ubuntu and succeeded with an awesome system that i was thrilled with - until the unity-issue...
18:05<Fidgett>stderr_dk:
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18:05<stderr_dk>No, don't start over now...
18:05<stderr_dk>nano -w /etc/network/interfaces
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18:06<stderr_dk>Do you normally use DHCP or static IP?
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18:06<Fidgett>dhcp
18:07<Fidgett>nano -w /etc/network/interfaces -> hit enter?
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18:07<stderr_dk>Yes
18:07<Fidgett>ok - i'm in
18:08<stderr_dk>Compared to http://paste.debian.net/79570/ you're only missing the last two or three lines, right?
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18:08<stderr_dk>Do you have any extra lines, that are not in that paste?
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18:11<Fidgett>missing line 8-10 - so add and save? the missing 3 lines?
18:11<stderr_dk>Yes.
18:11<stderr_dk>And you didn't have any extra lines?
18:11<Fidgett>no.
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18:12<Fidgett>lines 1-6 match.
18:12<stderr_dk>You don't really need to copy line 8. It's just a comment.
18:12<stderr_dk>But copy 9 and 10.
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18:13<Fidgett>and after eth - it is not the letter o or O - but zero, right?
18:14<stderr_dk>zero
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18:15<Fidgett>how again do i save it?
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18:17<Fidgett>and why does what it says at the bottom of nano not work? hmmm - the ^X doesnt...
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18:17<sney>ctrl+o is save
18:18<stderr_dk>Ctrl+X is save and exit.
18:18<sney>well, it's exit and it asks if you want to save if there's unsaved data in the buffer
18:19<stderr_dk>And since he just copied 2 lines, there is...
18:19<Fidgett>yes - to the buffer- and now at #prompt again
18:19<stderr_dk>ifup eth0
18:20<Fidgett>and again with nano still at the top. and...
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18:24<Fidgett>inet sys consortium dhcp client 4.2.2... listening on LPF/eth0/... sending... discover on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval...chown: failed to get attributes of '/etc/resolve.conf': No such file or directory...
18:25<sney>resolv, not resolve
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18:28<Fidgett>?
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18:34<Fidgett>stderr_dk: you said you needed a break? i have the urgent need to take at least a short break and yet i so appreciate your help... might you be able to break then return? and might a new do-over clean install be easier? and by easier, i mean for you? and your apparent patience is awesome, btw!
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18:35<stderr_dk>I need to get something to eat soon, but can be back after.
18:35<stderr_dk>Haven't you tried installing Debian a couple of times already without success?
18:35<Fidgett>new clean install???
18:36<Fidgett>yes, but not with the netsorking configured. i have just tried to do a similar install w- deb that i did w- ubuntu.
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18:36<Fidgett>[networking]
18:37<stderr_dk>I would keep going otherwise we have just wasted a couple of hours...
18:38<stderr_dk>You do have an IP-address on eth0 now, right?
18:38<Fidgett>cool - and thank you! i was very impressed with my non-geeky self and it has been an awesome experience to learn to TRUST MATH. and -
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18:38<stderr_dk>And cat /etc/resolv.conf shows at least one nameserver right?
18:39<Fidgett>i have been surprised that this with debian has been harder instead of easier!
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18:39<Fidgett>no ip address was in that output.
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18:39<stderr_dk>It's not normally this complicated.
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18:40<stderr_dk>Ok, short break and then we'll try to figure out why you don't get an IP-address...
18:40<Fidgett>not done cat/...yet. 1-min.
18:41<Fidgett>no such file or directory
18:41<Fidgett>:(
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18:42<sney>did you spell it wrong again
18:42<Fidgett>cat /etc/resolv.conf
18:43<Fidgett>yes - opps - sney - you ROCK.
18:43<sney>don't spellcheck
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18:44<Fidgett>Yes! i see my nameservers!!! :)
18:44<Fidgett>yahoooooooooie.
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18:45<Fidgett>sney: i did add an "e" to resolv.
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18:46<sney>yes I figured, since you did that before
18:46<Fidgett>:\
18:46<stderr_dk>Wait... You get a nameserver, but not an IP?
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18:46<Fidgett>yes.
18:47<stderr_dk>Check ifconfig again.
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18:49<Fidgett>well - i might be incorrect - it shows the router 192.168...... but not the ip from the isp... but Does FIRST in that output show the isp domain and search-domain, which is the same.
18:50<sney>routers usually forward dns, so having your router in resolv.conf is fine
18:51<Fidgett>ifconfig again shows the 192.168.... in the second line.
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18:52<chitchat>Hi all, I just upgraded my EEEPC to Wheezy and my 'End' key stopped working in X11 on both the internal and external keyboards (still works in console). xkbdevd recognises it fine as keycode 115. Any ideas?
18:52<stderr_dk>So you do have an IP-address.
18:52<stderr_dk>I assume the two 192.168.* address ain't the same.
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18:52<sney>chitchat: different keymap maybe?
18:53<chitchat>sney: Quite possibly, but how do I fix it?
18:53<stderr_dk>Fidgett: You can tell us. 192.168.* are non-routable so we can't hack you or something like that.
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18:54<Fidgett>the second one is the internal assigned one - and -
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18:54<Fidgett>i am the one who set up the router...
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18:55<Fidgett>[with only a few tears. maybe.]
18:55<Fidgett>i assume that there is no crying in linux.
18:56<sney>only if you overcomplicate things.
18:57<stderr_dk>But anyway... Now that you have an IP-address and a nameserver... "aptitude update" and then "apt-get install gnome gdm"
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18:59<Fidgett>updating... thank you.
18:59<Fidgett>8 updates... 35662 new...
19:00<Fidgett>next, do "apt-get install gnome gdm" ?
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19:02<sney>'apt-get install task-gnome-desktop' will get you a standard debian gnome desktop setup
19:02<jellybean>Hello, I'm having an issue, I had steam installed on my computer, for some reason it's not there anymore, I tried to reinstall but I can't, there's a dependency issue, to solve it I need to uninstall the package fglrx-driver but I just can't remove it. Any suggestion?
19:03<sney>!bat
19:03<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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19:05<jellybean>sney: Oh hello again, you helped me the other day. The command I used is aptitude install steam and, when it tried to remove that package, the error was: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
19:06<sney>the whole output on a pastebin please
19:06<sney>error code (1) means "there is a real error somewhere before this line"
19:06<Fidgett>stderr_dk: AND sney: what is the diff. between the commands you both just gave me? the "apt-get install gnome gdm" AND the 'apt-get install task-gnome-desktop' ?
19:07<jellybean>sney: hang on then, I'm gonna have to change language or you probably won't understand much about it.
19:07<sney>Fidgett: all of those are what debian calls metapackages - they tell the package manager to install everything they depend on, so you get everything you need for that stuff to work. you can run 'apt-cache depends packagename' to see what those dependencies are
19:07<stderr_dk>task-gnome-desktop will install some packages gnome won't install...
19:07<sney>jellybean: just prepend LC_ALL=C to the command you ran
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19:08<sney>Fidgett: among other things, task-gnome-desktop will include other gnome-related stuff like an office suite and so on
19:08<stderr_dk>You'll need gdm or another display manager too. task-gnome-desktop won't install that as far as I can tell.
19:08<sney>I'm fairly sure it does, since task-gnome-desktop is what tasksel installs for you if you select desktop environment
19:09<sney>ah, gnome-core has gdm3 as a depend
19:10<jellybean>sney: here it is: http://paste.debian.net/79577/
19:10<jellybean>Sorry I forgot to clear the previous one
19:10<jellybean>I'm gonna upload a clean version
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19:11<Fidgett>is there a way to do both ? for ONE of my jobs, i have the need to look at M$ .xls docs in openoffice...
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19:11<stderr_dk>Fidgett: Both? One is the other + some more.
19:12<sney>Fidgett: task-gnome-desktop includes gnome, gdm, and a lot of other stuff.
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19:12<Fidgett>ok - so 'apt-get install task-gnome-desktop' it is...
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19:13<sney>jellybean: well, it looks like the fglrx-driver package got messed up
19:13<sney>jellybean: does anything happen with fglrx if you 'aptitude -f install' ?
19:14<stderr_dk>Fidgett: It'll be libreoffice, not openoffice, but whatever...
19:15<Fidgett>:)
19:15<Fidgett>i am so happy to see what i am seeing.
19:15<jellybean>Ah, glad you figured it out anyway, I changed the language so it'll be easier next time. Using aptitude -f install won't change the situation with fglrx.
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19:17<Fidgett>i will pay this forward and help others who are desiring to FREE themselves.
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19:27<Fidgett>fetched 729 mb in 6min... Failed to fetch http://http.deb... ...libreoffice/fonts-opensymbol1_102.2+Lib...deb7u2_all.deb Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection [IP...] ...E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? then #-prompt.
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19:32<LtL>Fidgett: use a different mirror, preferably close to by editing .sources.list then apt-get update
19:32<LtL>Fidgett: preferably close to you*
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19:33<babilen>LtL: http.debian.net selects a mirror automatically .. read http://http.debian.net for more information
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19:34<LtL>babilen: i know, and it's caused me problems before.
19:34<babilen>Fidgett: So, run "apt-get update" again
19:36<Fidgett>LtL: is there a way to get a list? in a terminal? have you gathered that i am a noob? i succeeded in doing full-disk encryption on a few boxes in ubuntu and my goal is to re-create my success with debian and leave ubuntu. so i just ran apt-get update again.
19:37<sney>sometimes you just have to try again
19:37<sney>connections drop etc
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19:37<babilen>Fidgett: Did you run apt-get update again already? (might want to repeat that twice)
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19:38<LtL>Fidgett: mind you, babilen is right but sometimes it drops connections. you can keep trying or use one from this list. http://www.debian.org/mirror/list
19:38<Fidgett>And THIS time: it looks better... Fetched 1,010B in 11s (85 B/s)
19:38<Fidgett>should i repeat?
19:39<babilen>Fidgett: You can also use one of the mirrors in the country rotation that follow ftp.CC.debian.org so if you are in, say, the United Kingdom it would be ftp.uk.debian org or ftp.us.debian.org -- Note that you might actually get the same mirror as via http.debian.net
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19:39<babilen>Fidgett: Generally speaking I'd stay with http.debian.net though, but it might have hiccups every now and then if it choses a suboptimal mirror for one reason or another.
19:40<rostam>HI I want to modify the sources.list so it uses ftp rather than http. What is the syntax to use ftp? thx
19:40<jellybean>sney: In case you missed my message I tried sudo aptitude -f install but fglrx is still not being removed.
19:40<babilen>rostam: Why? ftp:// it is though
19:40<stderr_dk>rostam: man sources.list
19:41<rostam>babilen, it is a local mirror and best to access through ftp.
19:41<rostam>stderr, dk thank I look into it
19:41<sney>jellybean: next, delete the fglrx-driver .deb from /var/cache/apt/archives if it is there, then 'aptitude reinstall fglrx-driver'
19:42<jellybean>sney: you mean something like sudo rm pathtodriver?
19:42<stderr_dk>Fidgett: When you're done installing gnome and stuff, you might want to consider an upgrade too.
19:42*sney twitches
19:42<sney>stop learning sudo as part of commands
19:43<jellybean>Sorry.
19:43<sney>yes, rm the actual .deb file that begins with fglrx-driver, from the directory that I just referred to
19:43<Fidgett>i don't know how to change/use mirrors. i just repeated apt-get update. i am in the states... okay i got hits from http.debian.net and Done
19:43<stderr_dk>I have said it before and I'll say it again: alias sudo="echo make it yourself #"
19:44<stderr_dk>Fidgett: Don't worry about changing mirrors.
19:44<Fidgett>so anyone? should i reboot for another moment of truth? or are there more steps?
19:44<jellybean>sney: Done, I'm still unable to remove it.
19:44<stderr_dk>No need for reboot.
19:44<sney>jellybean: did you aptitude reinstall fglrx-driver?
19:44<stderr_dk>Fidgett: Did you do an upgrade too?
19:45<jellybean>sney: Yes I did.
19:45<sney>and what happened when you tried that?
19:45<stderr_dk>Did everything get installed or did you just repeat the update again and again?
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19:45<jellybean>Sney: let me upload the output real quick.
19:46<Fidgett>sterr_dk: ? command for an upgrade? from wheezy? it looks like all was installed because there is no ref. to a Fail. am i right?
19:47<sney>Fidgett: if you want to double-check, run 'apt-get -f install'
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19:47<Fidgett>so upgrade from wheezy to an unstable?
19:47<jellybean>sney: Here's the output http://paste.debian.net/79589/
19:47<sney>Fidgett: no.
19:47<stderr_dk>Fidgett: No, just security updates.
19:48<sney>jellybean: argh
19:48<stderr_dk>Fidgett: Start by using the command sney gave you.
19:48<jellybean>sney: I know, been fighting with that stubborn meanie for a while now.
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19:49<Fidgett>stderr_dk: okay 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 8 not upgraded.
19:50<stderr_dk>aptitude upgrade
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19:50<sney>jellybean: what's the output of 'aptitude why-not glx-alternative-fglrx'
19:52<Fidgett>stderr_dk: connecting... and Current status: 0 updates [-8].
19:52<jellybean>sney: http://paste.debian.net/79590/
19:52<sney>ok, some multiarch problem
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19:53<sney>try the original aptitude run again, and when it asks you if it's ok to remove fglrx-driver, select 'n' instead and see if it gives you a better option
19:53<Fidgett>stderr_dk: did i miss a command from sney?
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19:54<sney>Fidgett: looks fine to me.
19:54<stderr_dk>Fidgett: Is it time to try that gnome thing? /etc/init.d/gdm3 start
19:54<Fidgett>sney: i need the exact command - orig aptitude to run again?
19:54<sney>Fidgett: no I was talking to jellybean
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19:55<Fidgett>oh. okay - the newb here to try /etc/init.d/gdm3 start
19:56<Fidgett>" /etc/init.d/gdm3 start " - right?
19:56<sney>yes
19:56<stderr_dk>Yes, that's what I wrote.
19:56<jellybean>sney: This is the output I got now http://paste.debian.net/79591/
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19:57<sney>!congratulate jellybean
19:57<dpkg>Nice one jellybean, you did it!
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19:58<jellybean>sney: I'm afraid there's something wrong there, I was trying to install steam and I still don't have it tho. On a side note, on the bottom of that last link what's all that possible missing firmware?
19:58<Fidgett>-su: /etc/init.d/gdm3: No such file or directory
19:58<Fidgett>:(
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19:59<sney>jellybean: oh, there are some iterations of that realtek network card that need firmware. if your network works, you can ignore those messages
19:59<babilen>Fidgett: Did you install gdm3? If not run "apt-get install gdm3" and you should be fine.
19:59<Fidgett>ok babilen-
19:59<jellybean>sney: ok then, good, I'll ignore them from now on. Still, steam isn't installed, should I try to install it again?
19:59<stderr_dk>Didn't task-gnome-desktop depend on gdm3?
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20:00<sney>task-gnome-desktop should have brought gdm3 in, strange that it didn't, though helping this guy is like sailing through fog
20:00<sney>jellybean: yeah, worth a go
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20:01<Fidgett>i must stop laughing - sney - enough to run this thru the fog. :)
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20:02<jellybean>sney: this happened now http://paste.debian.net/79592/ and even if the command steam apparently works I get a window that say "You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, and Steam may not run:libGL.so.1"
20:03<jellybean>It happened before, I tried to install that and steam disappeared.
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20:03<Fidgett>yes - and 772mb will be used... unpacking & selecting...
20:03<babilen>yay!
20:04<babilen>Fidgett: That sounds like quite a lot. Are you sure you installed task-desktop-gnome successfully before?
20:04<stderr_dk>Fidgett: That error message you got about no gdm3, did it really say "-su: "?
20:04<Fidgett>no. and yes!
20:05<Fidgett>no, not sure it succeeded b4 and -
20:05<Fidgett>i was carefull to replicate the output...
20:05<stderr_dk>Odd... I would have expected something like "bash" or maybe "sh", but not "su"...
20:05<sney>jellybean: yeah, it needs a lot of :i386 stuff to work. it's really up to valve to support that part
20:06<jellybean>I guess I'm shit out of luck.
20:06<sney>stderr_dk: he probably did something insane like 'sudo su -c command' but omitted the actual command part so I wouldn't have an aneurysm.
20:07<babilen>ugh, b4 .. not far to ne1 and such abominations. Woe is us!
20:07<sney>jellybean: fwiw, I have steam working on a sid machine at home, it is possible to do it. does valve have a new steam deb you can try?
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20:07<Fidgett>well, as sney so eloquently put it... sailing thru fog...
20:08<jellybean>You know, I had steam working fine with sid before I downgraded to jessie... I could try to reupgrade to sid, would that be a bad idea?
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20:09<babilen>"downgraded" hehe ..
20:09<babilen>jellybean: btw, any particular reason you are not in #debian-next ? :)
20:09<sney>at least a sid-testing downgrade is /technically/ possible if one has patience
20:09<Fidgett>babilen: i am aweful with typing - and i feel i deserve much credit for not being like the average M$-Zombie who refuses to try learning more... yes?
20:09<sney>jellybean: at this point in the development cycle, sid and testing are about equally usable/broken
20:10<jellybean>sney: Yeah I have a reason, I have the memory of a slowpoke and keep forgetting to go there. Sorry.
20:10<sney>Fidgett: you're fine, just too verbose with nonsense and not verbose enough with technical details
20:10<sney>at least your english is serviceable
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20:12<babilen>Fidgett: You sure do. It is just that supporting people on IRC is, due to its very nature, very much about reading what they have to say. I simply prefer to read proper English as it took me a lot of effort to learn it ;)
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20:24<root_>heu
20:24<root_>hey*
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20:25<sney>don't use irc as root
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20:25<root_>y not
20:26<babilen>sney: root_ is not IRC'ing as root
20:26<root_>lol
20:26<sney>babilen: well, it's not in realname, but that doesn't mean much
20:27<root_>tbh i dont know what im doing and im not running root anyways its just the default name it gave me i changed it but i guess it hates me lol
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20:28<babilen>root_: Either way, anything we can do for you? Are you having a problem with your Debian box?
20:28<root_>no just bored lol thnks tho
20:28<root_>my battery is going to die
20:29<root_>:(
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20:29<babilen>root_: This is, however, not a chat channel and you might be looking for #moocows (or even better a different network).
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20:29<stderr_dk>root_: You might want to do a clean shutdown instead of just letting the machine die...
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20:56<picsimpson>?
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20:58<snogglethorpe>dead battery wins every time...
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21:06<Fidgett>points all taken. and babilen: perhaps root_ made me look better to sney... :) and to all who have been helping me: so the run finished and - did a lot of Setting up and ended with processing triggers with possible missing firmware [which i am guessing might be related to my wireless - which hopefully can be remedied after i have gnome...
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21:08<Fidgett>so i am at the root-prompt. and was it you, stderr_dk, who said i can start gnome without rebooting?
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21:21<babilen>Fidgett: "service gdm3 restart" (or the init thing from before which you should now have)
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21:29<raphael>Hello
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21:29<Guest799>algum Brasileiro ai?
21:29<Guest799>algum Brasileiro ai?
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21:42<petn-randall>!br
21:42<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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21:42<petn-randall>raphaelnike: ^^^^
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22:07<shawnbon206>yo
22:07<lostson>good evening
22:07<shawnbon206>i just starting using gnome 3 for the first time
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22:08<shawnbon206>i cant figure out how to get the display to power off when I lock the screen
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22:16<duskye>Hi, I'm trying to get audio to work on my new computer setup, the audio is built into my Gigabye P35 DS4, and according to their website, is a Realtek ALC889A
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22:20<snogglethorpe>Hmm, is there any reason "git-merge-changlog" doesn't have its own package? The current method for generating it from gnulib-tool is Very Weird...
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23:17<Fidgett>hi.
23:17<Fidgett>:)
23:19<Fidgett>brb - soon-ish.
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23:27<mamtina>lo,
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23:28<mamtina>can someone help me to register ?
23:28<oldlaptop>register for what?
23:28<mamtina>in this server
23:29<oldlaptop>mamtina: this channel is for Debian support
23:29<mamtina> /ns id pseudo00 pass00
23:29<mamtina>doesn't work
23:29<themill>mamtina: /msg nickserv help register
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23:30<mamtina>aaah :) thanks themill
23:30<mamtina>gonna try it
23:31<Djehuty-X>Hello
23:31<jalcine>'ello
23:32<rostam>Hi I have installed some pkgs, vsftpd, tftpd-hpa and apache2. I like these services to start anytime system boot, how can i do that? thx
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23:35<themill>rostam: installing the package would normally be sufficient for that. Some packages may not start automatically if they have no sensible default configuration, so there can be an /etc/default/$package that controls daemon startup
23:37<rostam>themill, thanks
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23:42<rostam>HI I have two partition on my disk I have installed debian on one partition, i.e. /dev/sda1. So system boots from /dev/sda1. While system is alive, I like to install debian on the next partition , i.e. /dev/sda2, (automated). Is this possible(this is for embedded system in the field)? thx
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