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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-02-02

---Logopened Sun Feb 02 00:00:18 2014
---Daychanged Sun Feb 02 2014
00:00<bss03>Could be.
00:00<peterS>I note that the package in question _does_ still 'Provides' and 'Conflicts' that virtual package. but this is not seen as a problem in this case
00:00<bss03>If it works for you, and I'm still seeing the same conflict I'll upgrade aptitute (and deps) to jessie and try again.
00:01<peterS>so if apt, or aptitude, or dpkg, sees it as a problem, probably that's a bug in one of those tools that has since been fixed
00:01<bss03>Yeah, that hypothesis needs me to test it!
00:02<themill>or more likely it's some other version skew because of your mixed system.
00:02<bss03>Thanks: peterS, sney. I'm glad you were here, my Google-fu was failing, just bringing up old issues with suggestions to install ia32-libs. :(
00:03<peterS>ha, ia32-libs indeed
00:03<themill>In the absence of seeing real commands and real output, I'm going to assume that it's not a bug in the tools...
00:03<bss03>themill: Thanks for the suggestion, but I checked that.
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00:05<bss03>themill: Well, I think the upgrade experiement is more likely to bear fruit, so I'm going to try that first. If I'm back here later, I'll pastebin the various aptitude outputs.
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00:21<bss03>themill: http://paste.debian.net/79740/ <-- peterS, sney, too.
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00:22<themill>You need to work out why it doesn't want to isntall libfglrx:i386
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00:23<sney>if only aptitude why-not could spit out something as simple as "stop mixing stuff with stable"
00:23<themill>heh
00:23<peterS>bss03: yeah the main thing is that all of those related packages (libgl1-fglrx-glx, libfglrx, :i386, :amd64) must be at the same version, if installed at all
00:23<peterS>and aptitude isn't always clever enough to offer _that_ as the default solution even though it is the only one that makes sense
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00:24<themill>but if you don't mix releases and keep things updated, then it doesn't need to ;)
00:24<bss03>I'm fine with in not being the *default* solution, as long as it is *a* solution. Checking on libfglrx:i386...
00:25<peterS>bss03: I use aptitude interactively so when it fails to find the solution I want, I can navigate around and force it. this is IMO not as convenient, when using the CLI. But OTOH if you're not already versed in aptitude full-screen usage it does take some getting used to
00:25<bss03>libfglrx:i386 installs fine from jessie (1:13.12-3)
00:26<bss03>peterS: I'm well-versed in aptitude full-screen usage. I tried massaging this when I was doing the initial upgrade to Catalyst 13.x
00:26<bss03>I guess I didn't find the knot aptitude was complaingin about, then, though.
00:28<peterS>so once you've installed libfglrx:i386 version 1:13.12-3, can you now install libgl1-fglrx-glx:i386?
00:29<bss03>Yeah, already done. So, things are looking up.
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00:30<bss03>Steam will probably work now, but I'm going to fiddle with package a bit more to get things in the right automatically-installed state for my tastes.
00:31<peterS>like 'aptitude markauto libfglrx:i386'
00:31<bss03>Yeah, although from the full-screen mode...
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00:35<bss03>Steam fired up. Thanks all, again. I'll try harder at manually massaging packages with must-be-same versions in the future. I remember having to do that before with one of the KDE upgrades, too.
00:36<bss03>Sometimes it feels like a crap-shoot; glad you spotted it right away.
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06:01<thel0rax>i am about to slam my head into the wall repeatedly over on issue
06:01<thel0rax>optifine for minecraft.
06:01<thel0rax>one*
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07:54<firechariot>hello, I'm curious, when installing software without using synaptic or apt-get install, though rather using a tarball, what is the appropriate place to put the new software within the file system?
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07:55<abrotman>firechariot: use stow or checkinstall
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07:55<firechariot>abrotman, can you be more specific?
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07:56<Ganneff>or if its simple in configure ; make, use dh-make and create a (basic) .deb that you install
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07:57<firechariot>I would really like to extract the file directory to a specific place typical for software
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07:59<firechariot>a place similar /usr/lib/application-directory
07:59<ectospasm>dpkg: tell firechariot -about checkinstall
07:59<abrotman>firechariot: and stow/checkinstall will take care of this for you
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08:00<jalcine>firechariot: do a quick 'apt-cache show checkinstall'
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08:01<jalcine>checkinstall seems to be closer to what you want
08:01<firechariot>ok jalcine, that kinda would work for the situation. Gracias.
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08:14<Er>ciao
08:14<Er>!list
08:14<dpkg>er: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
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08:44<xload>hi #debian
08:44<kio>hello
08:44<xload>I have a trouble during a dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy with mysql-server-5.5 and don't find the way on WWW any idea?
08:45<petn-randall>xload: Have you read the release notes?
08:45<xload>which one?
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08:46<xload>petn-randall: i have just update && upgrade && dist-upgrade
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08:46<themill>perhaps you could show the command and full output in a pastebin
08:46<xload>petn-randall: there is nothing about mysql here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/
08:48<themill>actually, there is.
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08:49<xload>C-f mysql don't give me anything on that page
08:49<themill>it's an index page...
08:49<petn-randall>xload: Paste the output, as the mill said. Also it's good to install apt-listchanges, every package has major changes documented in /usr/share/doc/*/NEWS(.gz), which are then displayed on upgrade.
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08:51<themill>(the release notes probably don't really solve your problem in this case, but they do mention mysql and upgrades)
08:51<xload>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#trouble nothing here too
08:51<xload>http://dpaste.com/1582081/
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08:52<petn-randall>dpkg: tell xload about localized errors
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08:53<themill>(new preinst script returned exit 1)
08:53<xload>petn-randall: http://dpaste.com/1582083/
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08:54<themill>cp: cannot overwrite directory `/var/lib/mysql-upgrade/DATADIR.link/mysql' with non-directory
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08:54<xload>yep but i do have not solved that -_-'
08:54<petn-randall>xload: Can you check what that file is? 'ls -l /var/lib/mysql-upgrade/DATADIR.link/mysql'
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08:55<xload>yep it's full of stuff
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08:55<themill>(So this is line 136 of the preinst)
08:56<xload>it's not a file but a directory
08:56<petn-randall>xload: Can you paste the output of 'aptitude search ~o'?
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08:56<themill>it should only have been created by the postinst
08:56<themill>err preinst
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08:57<xload>http://dpaste.com/1582085/
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08:57<themill>mysql-client-core-5.5 ?
08:58<xload>i have to remove this one?
08:58<themill>where did it come from?
08:59<xload>bah it's an old server that have been use by many people :-/
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09:00<petn-randall>xload: You made a backup of the MySQL databases?
09:00<xload>yes
09:01<petn-randall>xload: Then run 'dpkg -P mysql-client-core-5.5' and after that 'apt-get install -f' to fix your last problem.
09:01<xload>ok thanks petn-randall
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09:03<petn-randall>xload: You can also run 'aptitude purge ~o' if you're sure you don't need any of those obsolete packages. Make sure to make backups of your postgres 8.4 cluster, or upgrade that to 9.1 first.
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09:13<xload>petn-randall: that have not fit :: /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.5_5.5.35+dfsg-0+wheezy1_amd64.deb
09:13<xload>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
09:14<petn-randall>xload: Can you paste the full output please?
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09:15<xload>http://dpaste.com/1582103/
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09:15<xload>i have do all then apt-get install mysql-server and it don't fit .. this is the out put of apt-get -f install
09:16<themill>I suspect you're going to have to move /var/lib/mysql-upgrade out of the way here. I don't like doing that though...
09:16<petn-randall>xload: Other way would be to purge mysql-server-5.5, wipe anything under /var/lib/mysql-upgrade/DATADIR.link/mysql, then reinstall it. You'd surely loose any DB in there, though.
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09:17<xload>ah
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09:17<xload>that is a bit dangerous since it's for part a very big wiki
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09:20<xload>OMGNU that sounds weird :-/
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10:33<KNUBBIG>Hi, I'm stuck with a problem updating from squeeze to wheezy: My GRUB doesn't want to install anymore due to 'partitionless disk' and my whole disk layout seems a bit off (using RAID). Details of the disk layout:
10:34<KNUBBIG>pastebin.com/wip2zmqJ Any ideas?
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10:37<petn-randall>KNUBBIG: I doesn't make sense to install grub to a RAID disk since that doesn't exist before your kernel boots. Can you paste the actual output you get when installing grub?
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10:38<KNUBBIG>petn-randall: http://pastebin.com/P8PjFXzi
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10:39<petn-randall>KNUBBIG: The disks of your raid are partitionless?
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10:39<KNUBBIG>petn-randall: as far as I see, no :<
10:40<KNUBBIG>fdisk -l: http://pastebin.com/K5BnhPjz
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10:42<houms>how can i get php-activerecord for debian?
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10:46<KNUBBIG>any idea? :/
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10:47<txt-file>KNUBBIG, your setup did work with squeeze?
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10:47<KNUBBIG>txt-file: yes
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10:48<txt-file>i wonder if squeeze also used grup2
10:49<KNUBBIG>txt-file: i think so
10:49<abrotman>it was an option
10:50<KNUBBIG>well grub-legacy was never installed so I think it was grub 2 all the way :(
10:50<txt-file>yeah … packages.debian.org also looks like squeeze used grub2
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10:51<KNUBBIG>so anything I can do to 'correct' it?
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10:51<KNUBBIG>whatever the problem actuall yis
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10:53<txt-file>the only thing I see is to create a usb-stick, put /boot on it and use this to boot your system
10:53<txt-file>but this is a very ugly workaround
10:53<KNUBBIG>txt-file: great :( this is a server I can't currently access :p
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10:54<KNUBBIG>any idea what happened/went wrong?
10:55<txt-file>oh … then I have no idea
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10:56<txt-file>Maybe the grub irc chan can help you
10:56<txt-file>!grub
10:56<dpkg>GNU GRUB 2 is a portable and powerful boot loader. Ask me about <grub config> and <grub squeeze>. To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub2 #grub on irc.freenode.net. See also <grub legacy>.
10:56<KNUBBIG>txt-file: thanks, I'll have a try there
10:56<stderr_dk>KNUBBIG: Can you post the output of debconf-get-selections | grep grub | grep install_devices ?
10:57<houms>is php-activerecord not available in debian?
10:57<houms>i only see ruby package
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10:58<KNUBBIG>stderr_dk: I
10:58<KNUBBIG>http://pastebin.com/M6AP7tR0
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11:01<stderr_dk>Try running dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc and choose to install on both disks.
11:01<KNUBBIG>sda and sdb?
11:01<stderr_dk>Yes
11:02<KNUBBIG>finished for both with no errors
11:02<stderr_dk>debconf-get-selections should give you something like: grub-pc grub-pc/install_devices multiselect /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD1003FBYX-01Y7B0_WD-WCAW31061251, /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST31000528AS_9VP3WMGY
11:02<stderr_dk>I.e. both disks, not the MD.
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11:02<KNUBBIG>yes it does
11:03<stderr_dk>Does grub-setup work better now?
11:03<KNUBBIG>for md0 or for sda?
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11:04<KNUBBIG>or the one from apt-get install?
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11:04<stderr_dk>What do you mean by "the one from apt-get install"?
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11:05<KNUBBIG>basically I just wanted to know which device to pass grub-setup :p
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11:06<stderr_dk>You want grub installed on both disks, not the raid.
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11:06<iXeno>hi, anyone here got any experience with debian on a macbook pro 2011 model?
11:06<KNUBBIG>grub setup /dev/sda and sdb both complete wiwth no errors
11:06<stderr_dk>(You want /boot to be a raid, but that's for a later stage of the grub startup)
11:07<stderr_dk>That should be it, as far as I can tell...
11:07<Hadi>is there any diffrense between ftp.debian.org and ftp.us.debian.org? which one i use.. the debian generator puts two of them into the sources.
11:07<KNUBBIG>stderr_dk: okay, thanks for your help! I'll pull a backup of the whole file system and reboot after that, I'll tell you if it worked :)
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11:08<txt-file>Hadi, ftp.debian.org selects a random mirror. ftp.us.debian.org is one specific debian mirror in the USA
11:08<stderr_dk>ftp.us.debian.org has 4 IP-addresses...
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11:09<txt-file>Hadi, "host ftp.debian.org" and "host ftp.us.debian.org"
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11:10<sney>ftp.debian.org isn't the 'random' mirror one, you're thinking of http.debian.net or cdn.debian.net
11:11<Hadi>oh
11:11<Hadi>txt-file: thanks
11:11<stderr_dk>Hadi: If there was a ftp.ir.debian.org, I would suggest you used that... But there isn't so I would suggest http.debian.net or cdn.debian.net
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11:12<Hadi>stderr_dk: it uses china or something. i'll select UK or US i believe. the china's one is slow
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11:15<txt-file>sney, right … my brain mixed this up
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11:15<houms>how can i set php timezone to utc?
11:15<txt-file>Hadi, you can also look at the domains with whois ;-)
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11:17<stderr_dk>houms: http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.date-default-timezone-set.php
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11:17<Hadi>txt-file: wow i didn't know that command exist. it's awesome
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11:18<houms>thanks stderr
11:18<stderr_dk>houms: You should thank Google...
11:19<stderr_dk>It's the first hit for "How to set timezone in PHP".
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11:20<Fidgett>stderr_dk: hi! :) Success! did you see the thank-you/love-note i posted yesterday? i suceeded at the first disk system, with the help of a few of you - and i am attempting to replicate the fully-encrypted install on the second disk. [yay!] i made note of all of the root commands - but not the 3 lines for adding to this almost-empty /etc/apt/sources.list - and had to reboot the system that i was in this muc with...
11:21<stderr_dk>!sources.list
11:21<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
11:21<stderr_dk>Those 3 lines?
11:21<Fidgett>um...
11:21<Fidgett>those were not the lines.
11:22<Fidgett>you gave me an http address that had them tho'
11:23<Fidgett>oh! wait.opps! yes-
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11:24<Fidgett>dpkg: ! i apologize - i think yes - those were it... hmmm...
11:24<dpkg>wish i knew, Fidgett
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11:24<Fidgett>i am in this nano-deal which i am unfamiliar with
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11:26<petn-randall>Fidgett: dpkg is a bot.
11:26<Fidgett>and - remember - i am such a noob that sney said that helping me is like sailing through fog! i laughed to hard....
11:26<stderr_dk>Ctrl+X to exit. It'll ask you if you want to save.
11:26<Fidgett>i am now laughing again! seriously? a bot?
11:26<Fidgett>are you yankin' my chain?
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11:27<stderr_dk>No, it looks for lines starting with a !
11:27<stderr_dk>!dpkg
11:27<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
11:28<Fidgett>okay - cool - i luv learning. i am about to enter those 3 lines.
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11:35<petn-randall>Fidgett: You can also pull useful info from the bot by querying it and just dropping keywords.
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11:40<Fidgett>how do i query the bot? just a: ! followed by a keyword?
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11:40<txt-file>Fidgett, /msg dpkg keyword
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11:41<Fidgett>thank you. txt-file
11:41<klaus>ciao a tutti
11:41<txt-file>sure
11:42<Fidgett>i will read up on it.
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11:43<klaus>irc://irc.rootworld.net/rock
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11:49<Fidgett>okay so now i am in the nano and network interfaces and i only have the "auto lo" and the "iface lo inet loopback" lines... stederr_dk or anyone? know the additional lines that i added?
11:50<Fidgett>or an http page that shows that file done properly?
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11:51<stderr_dk>Fidgett: http://paste.debian.net/79797/
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11:51<houms>Fidgett https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration
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12:01<Fidgett>done. then did: ifup eth0 - got failed to resolve - and about to enter, in root > cat /etc/resolv.config [so glad i took Notes Yesterday!]
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12:05<Fidgett>uh-oh. i entered "if config" with a space in it. getting: ">" how do i escape back into root??
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12:06<Fidgett>ahhhhh.
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12:08<houms>what are you trying to do?
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12:08<Fidgett>get back to a root propt.
12:08<Fidgett>prompt.
12:09<Fidgett>i just have a >
12:09<Fidgett>just ">" on the left
12:09<sney>ah, $PS2, never welcome
12:09<sney>ctrl+c will free you
12:10<Fidgett>thank you, mr.awesome-de-fog!
12:10<sney>bash allows you to have multi-line commands, and if you put 1 quote and don't close it with another quote, or end the line with \ , it'll show you > as if to say 'ok ready for the next line'
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12:13<Fidgett>i don't even know what "bash" is - your fog assesment was right on! so i did aptitude update - and it is updating. thanks, everyone...
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12:14<Fidgett>sney: the above was to you. :)
12:15<iXeno>on osx, when I have rEFInd on the OSX partition, and one ext4 partition with / on it, can I then install grub on /, or does it require a separate partitition?
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12:44<alex_>hola omo estan
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12:54<Quake>I was here yesterday talking about permissions to /var/www from sftp and i was getting some good tips. Now that's solution caused me another problem. I have uploaded the content to my /home/blabla/www dir and changed the /etc/apache2/sites-available/default and replaced all /var/www with my new dir. Still when i'm trying to reach the site i get "Permission denied". Yes, i have restarted apache
12:54<vesperto>Is fsck -y safe when faced with "Clone multiply-claimed blocks"?
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12:54<Quake>I can access phpmyadmin etc, just not my content
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12:55<stderr_dk>Quake: What's the permissions on /home, /home/blabla, /home/blabla/www and whatever file you're trying to view in the browser?
12:55<babilen>Quake: A common solution to what you want to do is to create a new group (say www-users) and to change group ownership of /var/www to that group. You also set /var/www setgid (chmod g+s) so that newly created files in there get those permissions too.
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12:57<Quake>stderr_dk: I'm kinda new in linux so i might be wrong but i was putting chmod 777 on the homedir, then i guess that all subfolders also will have full rights? babilen: I already have a group for sftp-users, with the user who i uploaded webcontent to.. It's homedir
12:58<stderr_dk>777 is a bit dangerous... What does ls -dl /home /home/blabla /home/blabla/www say? (http://paste.debian.net/)
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13:01<Quake>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/2d62f561/
13:01<Quake>i know it's not as safe.. but it's just locally so far, i was thinking about fix the security right before opening port 80
13:01<Quake>brb
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13:02<stderr_dk>Quake: Others can't access /home/blabla. chmod o+rx /home/blabla should fix that problem.
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13:07<petn-randall>Quake: Never put chmod 777 on anything (exception is /tmp). You will give even unprivileged users and system users write access to those files. And many programs refuse to start with such permissions (ssh being such an example).
13:07<petn-randall>Quake: It's better to analyze the problem and fix that than hitting it with a sledge hammer.
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13:13<Quake>stderr_dk i will try that, thank you. petn-randall: I'm quite new with linux, i havn't got any full grip of the permissionsystem yet, i have too many years as an windows admin behind me, trying slowly to let go of that thinking. Thank you once again.
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13:15<Quake>seems to work now when i putted in that chmod, stderr_dk, but to be fully honest i don't really know what it does. Have been reading a lot about permissions and what i could see it's always better to use numbers rather than rxrwe etc..?
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13:16<stderr_dk>Each file/dir has a "user" and a "group" and 3 sets of read, write and execute permissions: One set for the user, one set for the group and one set for others.
13:17<stderr_dk>chmod o+rx /home/blabla changes the permissions for others (o), by adding (+), read (r) and execute (x) permissions.
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13:17<stderr_dk>For dirs "execute" permissions means permission to enter that dir.
13:18<Quake>well.. no other dir's that need write access atm are writeable.. is there any way to give all directorys (including subfolders) full access with a single command? i think it's easier to have it dangerously open while installing the cms, and after it's done i just chmod everything to like 644?
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13:18<stderr_dk>Apaches runs as the "www-data" user, i.e. neither the user or the group who owns /home/blabla, therefore "www-data" is seen as "others" in relation to that dir.
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13:20<stderr_dk>644 doesn't have any execute permissions, so don't use that for a dir. 755 or 775 would be a bit smarter.
13:21<stderr_dk>chmod has an option to work recursive. See: man chmod
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13:22<stderr_dk>Personally I find it much easier to use something like chmod u=rwx,g=rx,o=rx /home/blabla than chmod 755 /home/blabla but maybe that's just me...
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13:25<iXeno>what is supposed to come after "usb 1-1.1.2: USB disconnect, device number 7" in the boot process?
13:26<stderr_dk>That's not part of the boot process. That's you removing a USB device.
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13:27<iXeno>no it's not, I didn't do that
13:27<iXeno>it just hangs there
13:28<iXeno>hmm... I'll try rebooting without the usb stick injected
13:28<stderr_dk>Put some more of the output on paste.debian.net. Maybe someone can see the problem.
13:29<iXeno>well, would require a camera, or excessive typing
13:29<stderr_dk>Maybe it's just doing a filesystem check...
13:29<stderr_dk>Got anything better to do? Start typing... :-)
13:29<iXeno>quietly?
13:29<Quake>Ok. Well i guess it's a bit to read here and there. I'm totally willing to host the site on linux when it comes to hosting "the real thing", i was just thinking about using wampserver in windows while developing the site. Just want to be sure how everything works so i know that i can just copy over my webroot folder to my linuxbox and the sql-files and everything works out of the box
13:30<stderr_dk>iXeno: Well, you only gave us one line. It could be the line above.
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13:30<iXeno>true, I'll check
13:30<iXeno>just waiting for it to boot again btw
13:31<iXeno>I'm booting it by hand from the rEFInd prompt
13:31<iXeno>jesus.. is rEFInd known to spend forever on things?
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13:46<iXeno>stderr_dk: http://pastebin.com/xqrN4dDm
13:46<iXeno>there you have more
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13:47<iXeno> /dev/sda4 is an ext4 partition with Debian. I tried to install grub on it, but got "grub-install failed" from the debian installer. no further explanation...
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13:49<stderr_dk>iXeno: Was line 4 something you typed yourself?
13:50<stderr_dk>I would expect it to be "root=..." and "boot/initrd...", not "rot=..." and "boot\initrd...".
13:50<iXeno>stderr_dk: I only changed the partition name
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13:50<iXeno>the rest was default set by rEFInd
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13:51<iXeno>(was root btw, not rot :)
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13:51<iXeno>the rEFInd default was a long serial number like string
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13:54<stderr_dk>iXeno: I don't know rEFInd, so I guess I'm out of ideas.
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13:54<stderr_dk>But it does puzzle me why it would use a \ in the path instead of a /.
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13:58<james>nic jim
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14:02<iXeno>stderr_dk: I have no idea - I assume it's its own convention?
14:02<iXeno>or the EFI convention or something?
14:02<iXeno>anyway, when I tried to skip that last part, it failed with a "could not find file system" error
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14:11<Guest919>help
14:11<stderr_dk>With?
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14:11<Guest919>nick name change
14:12<stderr_dk>/nick NewNick
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14:12<jim>thanks
14:12<stderr_dk>Do you also have a Debian question?
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14:14<jim>not sure exactly i put ubuntu on a lap top and ended up eroring out and voyager option loaded and has been workin well
14:14<jim>but tux free tv doesnt seem to work right
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14:15<sney>voyager option?
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14:16<sakax>!ubuntu
14:16<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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14:18<jim>well thats the strange thing t hey said the same thing at ubuntu but how do i find the voyager irc
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14:18<sney>I've never heard of a voyager distro
14:18<kardan>hmpf why can't rhytmbox continue podcast downloads
14:19<jim>meniether but it was on the ubuntu cd
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14:20<stderr_dk>voyagerlive.org Seems to be french and based on Xubuntu?
14:20<jim>when i was in the grub boot loader yes
14:21<stderr_dk>I would advice you to use a more well-known distro.
14:21<jim>I tried to load ubuntu but it wouldn't load but there was a nother option on the grub thats where voyager came in
14:22<jim>ok
14:22<sney>is it still running from the disc? it might have been included for live/recovery purposes
14:22<sney>I agree with stderr_dk also
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14:22<oldlaptop>and obviously the best well-known distro is Debian
14:22<jim>is there a way to get damian
14:22<sney>!firmware image
14:22<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>.
14:23<sney>that download will install over the network on almost all systems
14:23<jim>ill give it a try
14:23<stderr_dk>jim: It's "Debian", not "Damian".
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14:24<jim>yes please uxuse my text error
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14:25<oldlaptop>jim: If you're not a native English speaker you might like to try the channel for your native language (#debian-fr for French, for instance)
14:25<oldlaptop>most of those are smaller than this one though
14:25<jim>ok im at the page but i forgot how to downlaod this type of file
14:25<kardan>jim how did you find #debian (the channel)?
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14:26<oldlaptop>jim: like any other
14:26<jim>it was in my irc xchat application
14:26<tony>hello
14:26<oldlaptop>You need to burn it to CD (or copy it to a USB drive) differently than normal files though
14:26<sney>some based-on-debian distros just dump people in here because the maintainers couldn't be bothered to change the default xchat.conf
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14:26<tony>hello to the room
14:26<kardan>ok, that's why.
14:26<oldlaptop>hello to tony
14:27<tony>can i ask you guys something?
14:27<kardan>!ask
14:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:27<tony>i would like to install minecraft cracked on ubuntu studio. how can i do this?
14:27<oldlaptop>!ubuntuirc
14:27<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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14:27<oldlaptop>also, cracked Minecraft may well be considered offtopic on any distro's support channel
14:27<sney>(case in point)
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14:28<kardan>actually dpkg could be smart enough to say that automatically.. :)
14:28<tony>damn
14:28<instigator>hi all. Im trying to create private keys using puttygen. I typed puttygen -t -b 4096 -o privatekey.ppk, then entered passphrase but no key gets created. Didnt get an error message
14:28<tony>ok thank you guys
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14:28<kardan>good luck, tony
14:29<stderr_dk>He left already.
14:29<kardan>he will feel it then..
14:29<oldlaptop>dpkg: tell jim about install guide
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14:29<instigator>anyone used puttygen on linux?
14:29<oldlaptop>jim: dpkg the friendly fact bot will have sent you a link to a helpful document on installing Debian
14:30<oldlaptop>it will explain how to use an ISO image (among many other things)
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14:30<jim>ok
14:30<oldlaptop>There are also translations of that document into a lot of languages, IIRC
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14:31<stderr_dk>instigator: I think most of us use openssh. Have you read the man page?
14:31<sporgius>Hello.
14:32<instigator>yeah i did. it same syntax as using ssh-keygen, except you have to add extra argument using -o outputfile.ppk
14:32<instigator>reason I asked was want to add private key to filezilla
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14:33<instigator>it doesnt accept openssh keys only putty
14:33<olspookishmagus>btw: https://lists.mindrot.org/pipermail/openssh-unix-announce/2014-January/000117.html
14:33<stderr_dk>instigator: It doesn't say anything about placing keys in another dir or something like that?
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14:36<instigator>yeah you type -o at end of command then write the path to the file (including the name you give to file e.g. /home/user/keys.ppk
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14:41<stderr_dk>instigator: I meant, that path could be relative to some other path.
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14:41<stderr_dk>But anyway, no, I don't use puttygen. Sorry.
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14:41<instigator>no doesnt say anything. Thanks tho
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14:45<Fidgett>success on the fully-encrypted 2nd disk! [yay! And thank you, All. thank you - thank you.]
14:46<Fidgett>but... [were you sensing a but coming?]
14:47<oldlaptop>nah, I wouldn't call you a but, I barely know you
14:47<sney>heh
14:48<Fidgett>the grub2 on the 2nd disk did not take over the first grub2 - i am very happy to have it see ANYthing - yet - not my goal...
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14:49<iXeno>hmm... my (failing) debian boot asked me to install firmware-linux-nonfree, but apt-get (in rescue mode) doesn't recognize that
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14:49<Fidgett>careful - i was scolded yesterday [mildly] for my special Gift of being able to engage in Nonsense.
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14:50<sney>Fidgett: and yet it continues
14:50<sney>iXeno: is non-free in your sources.list?
14:50<jim>that robot schooled me
14:50<iXeno>sney: probably not
14:50<sney>well, gonna need that if you want firmware-linux-nonfree.
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14:50<oldlaptop>How do you mean, take over?
14:50<Fidgett>i think trying to live a windows-free life requires some LAUGHTER and a certain level of levity. :)
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14:51<sney>Fidgett: sure, but this is a support channel so we try to keep the signal-noise ratio at a sane level. extra chatter can go to #debian-offtopic
14:51<Fidgett>point taken.
14:52<jim>its less stress full when you have the fun of deleting windows
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14:52<Fidgett>so how do i get the second grub2 to see both os-s?
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14:53<jim>i hope im ownloading the right iso for this laptop
14:53<sney>make sure os-prober is installed and able to see the contents of other disks
14:53<sney>jim: which one did you download, and what cpu does your laptop have?
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14:55<jim> debian-live-7.2-i386-gnome-desktop+nonfree.iso
14:56<oldlaptop>jim: That is a liveCD (actually I think it's a DVD-size image), not an install disc
14:56<oldlaptop>if that's what you want, great
14:56<oldlaptop>it's also for old(ish) 32-bit x86 CPUs
14:57<oldlaptop>if you have a fairly new (last eight years or so) "PC" machine, you may be able to use amd64
14:57<oldlaptop>i386 will undoubtedly work though
14:57<jim>this laptop is 6 months old
14:57<oldlaptop>but if you want to *install* Debian on your hard disk you probably want a different image
14:57<oldlaptop>amd64 is almost certainly what you want
14:58<jim>yes i do
14:58<oldlaptop>i386 will still work though
14:58<oldlaptop>you *probably* want a netinst image then?
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14:58<oldlaptop>or do the official debian-live builds have the installer on them now?
14:58<oldlaptop>netinst will save on bandwidth, anyhow
14:59<jim>ok is tha on the same page or do i go some where els to find it
14:59<oldlaptop>!firmware images
14:59<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>.
15:00<oldlaptop>as sney told you before
15:00<oldlaptop>those are just the installer - no live system
15:00<iXeno>ok, I added non-free to sources.list for all remote entries, and did 'apt-get install firmware-nonfree', and it can't find the package. Verified that it is on the repository server
15:00<oldlaptop>unless I'm mistaken it's firmware-linux-nonfree?
15:00<oldlaptop>or is firmware-nonfree a metapackage
15:00<oldlaptop>,v firmware-nonfree
15:00<judd>No package named 'firmware-nonfree' was found in i386.
15:01<oldlaptop>,v firmware-linux-nonfree
15:01<judd>Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.40~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.40; sid/non-free: 0.40
15:01<oldlaptop>sure looks like it's firmware-linux-nonfree :)
15:02<jim>anerror ocured while extracting files
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15:02<iXeno>oldlaptop: yeah, tried both, was just the network that wasn't running after a boot
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15:02<iXeno>I'm in rescue mode :)
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15:03<oldlaptop>jim: what are you trying to do?
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15:03<oldlaptop>you don't extract an ISO image
15:03<oldlaptop>in most cases
15:03<oldlaptop>(if you're trying to do that)
15:03<oldlaptop>the install guide explains that
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15:05<oldlaptop>Fidgett: did you ever get your problem straightened out?
15:05<oldlaptop>I asked you a few questions but my raspberrypi's wifi gremlins probably ate them
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15:15<Fidgett>oldlaptop: not yet. sney said to make sure os-prober is installed - and - yes - it is.
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15:15<Fidgett>just checked in syn-pckg-manager...
15:16<oldlaptop>What are you trying to do, get one grub to chainload the other?
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15:16<oldlaptop>make disk2's grub boot stuff on disk1?
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15:19<Fidgett>um... maybe this is not possible. i have multibooted ubuntu with windows and osx in the past [i used refit on the apples] and grub2 has always found all the op-systems - on the same disk - can it not also find other grubs on other disks and take over?
15:20<soundconjurer>I am having 2 problems with Debian. 1) Wifi keeps dropping (iwlwifi 6035 series) and won't reconnect without a reboot
15:20<oldlaptop>Fidgett: so you want one grub to boot stuff on another disk
15:20<Fidgett>can it?
15:20<oldlaptop>It should be able to
15:20<sney>I'm not sure why multiple grub instances are needed, but - as said before - fog
15:21<oldlaptop>whether os-prober will find them automatically, I don't know
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15:21<oldlaptop>You certainly could write your own menu entries for them
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15:22<oldlaptop>especially if it's just things you need to chainload (Windows)
15:22<Fidgett>i have 2 disks with my first debian installs [ever] on them... they are both fully-encrypted...
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15:22<soundconjurer>If anyone is an expert on the network-manager in Debian, please feel free to help me out.
15:22<Fidgett>there is no more windows on either disk.
15:22<sney>soundconjurer: sorry, you said you had 2 problems so I was waiting for "my second problem is..."
15:22<soundconjurer>Oh, that one is not as import
15:23<sney>soundconjurer: if you disable network-manager and connect manually, does the connection drop issue persist?
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15:23<oldlaptop>Fidgett: You should be able to write custom entries for that too
15:23<oldlaptop>just a little more complex
15:23<soundconjurer>2) Debian Software Update app doesn't work very well, if I want new updates I have to apt-get them.
15:23<oldlaptop>I've never done anything with full-disk encryption, that might complicate the boot too
15:24<soundconjurer>sney, I wasn't aware you could turn off the network manager...and connect manually...
15:24<Fidgett>i have no idea how to do that - is there a tutorial? is it "easy?" ...for a noob?
15:25<soundconjurer>sney, after some random amount of time, the wireless disconnects and when I try to reconnect, it keeps prompting for a password and won't accept it.
15:25<Fidgett>writing custom entries? is the a how-to somewhere?
15:26<Fidgett>is there...
15:26<Fidgett>a how-to somewhere?
15:26<soundconjurer>sney, I have dmesg'd, lsmod, browsed forums and found inklings of the same problem, but nothing has helped resolved it.
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15:32<Fidgett>i see in syn-pckg-manager the following installed already: grub-pc-bin, grub-common, grub-pc, and grub2 -common. those are the only 4 installed by searching for grub.
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15:32<oldlaptop>Fidgett: See /etc/grub.d/40-custom
15:33<oldlaptop>you can find examples if you google
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15:34<Fidgett>okay - can i go into it w/ nano? but first -- should grub2 be installed? and what about multiboot?
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15:34<Fidgett>oldlaptop: [above]
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15:35<oldlaptop>Fidgett: yes, you won't see that unless grub2 is installed
15:35<oldlaptop>linux is not multiboot-compliant, IIRC
15:35<Fidgett>so install grub2, right?
15:35<oldlaptop>(assuming you're referring to the standard which only HURD seems to support)
15:36<oldlaptop>well, how did you get GRUB2 on the disk?
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15:37<Fidgett>i did the installs from a disc and updated from a terminal with root - and a lot of help from people like stderr_dk - yesterday.
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15:37<oldlaptop>then you will have grub packages already
15:37<Fidgett>so those 4, i see, are installed.
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15:38<gry>hi, how do I update /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt ? I get error "error: server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none while accessing <an URL here>"
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15:38<oldlaptop>I have something like this in /etc/grub.d/40-custom to boot FreeBSD: https://forums.freebsd.org/viewtopic.php?p=144040&sid=4a275a7640160d1a1000d44b44d67d0b#p144040
15:38<weasel>that's the ca-certificates package
15:38<gry>weasel, ok, thanks
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15:38<oldlaptop>Linux is a little more involved - all that menuentry is doing is telling GRUB to run freebsd's boot loader :)
15:39<weasel>adding your own certs is not well documented, it seems
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15:39<oldlaptop>you would have to specify kernel and initrd
15:39<Fidgett>oldlaptop: i Do get a grub2 screen when i boot up - but it is NOT seeing the 1st install that people here so kindly helped me with yesterday.
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15:39<Fidgett>[on the 1st disk]
15:40<oldlaptop>you mean neither grub2 will boot the install on disk1?
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15:41<oldlaptop>what exactly is your situation - you have two hard disks, with a GRUB in the MBR of each disk?
15:42<Fidgett>oldlaptop: when i finished with the first install - on disk1 [/dev/sda] - That grub2 worked fine. Then...
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15:43<Fidgett>i did another clean install on the 2nd disk [of, consequently] an oldlaptop - and This grub2 is now the only one that will boot up.
15:44<oldlaptop>meaning you can no longer boot from the first disk?
15:44<Fidgett>correct.
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15:44<oldlaptop>hm
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15:44<oldlaptop>I wonder why the install would mess with the first disk's MBR
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15:44<Fidgett>i have multibooted 2 & 3 os.s before - but only on the same disk.
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15:45<oldlaptop>Well. Are you on a different machine now? (i.e., can you mess with GRUB and still be on IRC?)
15:46<Fidgett>i have used full-disk encryption for 18 months, now but only on boxes with a single disk.
15:46<Fidgett>yes, i am on a diff. laptop than this new debian-install.
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15:47<Fidgett>i have never used straight debian - just derivitaves - in an attempt to stay away from the dark side.
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15:48<Fidgett>i am on tails right now to use irc.
15:48<oldlaptop>well, first we may as well try auto-detection
15:48<oldlaptop>How does this full-disk encryption work? is /boot unencrypted?
15:48<Fidgett>my goal: dump dumbuntu.
15:49<oldlaptop>a worthy goal :)
15:49<soundconjurer>if /boot is encrypted, you get no boot...
15:49<oldlaptop>that's certainly what I would think
15:49<oldlaptop>but I've never so much as looked into FDE
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15:50<soundconjurer>I use FDE as well, but my / and /boot are unencrypted for merely performance reasons...
15:51<Fidgett>i am a noob but very carefully followed a tutorial to do full-disk encryption with ubuntu - and then ubuntu proceeded to break my heart. so now, with these 2 clean installs, i intend to learn debian. one of my jobs requires reading M$ .xlm docs and that i use crypto.
15:51<oldlaptop>anyhow - from the system you can boot, run (as root) 'update-grub'
15:51<oldlaptop>this is actually a wrapper around something called grub-mkconfig
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15:52<Fidgett>the boot is not encrypted, i believe.
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15:53<Fidgett>i am now in unencrypted state on the 2nd disk - should i try to update grub2?
15:53<oldlaptop>yes
15:53<oldlaptop>update-grub is the command
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15:53<oldlaptop>manpage is pretty sparse IIRC, but what it does is scan for any OSes it can see, and generate a new grub2 config file with menu entries for them
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15:57<Fidgett>oldlaptop: so that was quick. i am in a terminal - in gnome3 - on disk2 - as root. it says process still running when i try to exit.
15:58<Fidgett>??
15:58<Fidgett>i updated grub2
15:58<oldlaptop>don't know gnome3 myself
15:58<oldlaptop>maybe it is mad that the shell is still running
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15:58<Fidgett>i will kill it anyway.
15:58<oldlaptop>seems like a stupid thing to get mad about, but gnome3 is pretty stupid </flame>
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15:59<oldlaptop>Did it output anything interesting?
15:59<oldlaptop>if it saw both Debian installs, it should have said something to that effect
15:59<Fidgett>no - and i powered off.
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16:00<Fidgett>will boot up in a min. - thank you for helping me.
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16:03<Fidgett>oldlaptop: so - again - from a cold boot. only the /dev/sdb-disk is seen and it's grub is only giving me one choice of an os.
16:03<oldlaptop>Right
16:03<oldlaptop>don't boot yet
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16:04<oldlaptop>if you did, get back to grub menu :)
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16:07<Fidgett>okay - i shutdown again. and... did you see my comment above w/ the 4 grubby-packages listed as installed already? maybe i need to install grub2...
16:07<Fidgett>in syn-pckg-manager the following installed already: grub-pc-bin, grub-common, grub-pc, and grub2 -common. those are the only 4 installed by searching for grub...
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16:08<Fidgett>grub2 is NOT installed - just: grub-pc-bin, grub-common, grub-pc, and grub2 -common.
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16:09<Fidgett>that is: grub2-common. those are the only 4 installed by searching for grub.
16:09<Fidgett>in synaptic...
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16:09<Fidgett>on my new clean install of an os that i have never used.
16:10<sney>grub-pc is aka grub2.
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16:10<Fidgett>okay, sney - got it.
16:10<Fidgett>:)
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16:11<Fidgett>so is there a tutorial for manually editing?
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16:12<Fidgett>oldlaptop: i am back to the /dev/sdb's grub menu.
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16:13<Fidgett>and it automatically goes to the request for the Un-encrypt pass...
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16:15<iXeno>hi, according to https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/upgrading-debian-to-unstable, you add sid, then wheezy, then sid nonfree,contrib
16:15<iXeno>is that correct, and why?
16:16<iXeno>would expect t oget all from sid as first choice...
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16:16<Fidgett>oldlaptop: okay - i got back, again, to grub-page - and this time i stopped it from going to the unencrypt-pass-request page...
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16:18<Fidgett>oldlaptop: i am guessing that you were going to say 'e' for edit next...
16:18<oldlaptop>Fidgett: oh yes
16:18<oldlaptop>I'm sorry
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16:18<sney>iXeno: those instructions are old, you're correct that all you need to do is change sources.list to point at sid
16:18<sney>iXeno: also, read this if you haven't already: http://deb.li/sidfaq
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16:19<oldlaptop>If you 'e'dit one of those entries, you can see the list of grub commands it will actually run
16:19<Fidgett>i di hit 'e'
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16:20<Fidgett>and i am in uncharted territory.
16:20<oldlaptop>Now, it will probably say something like root='(hd1,0)' in there
16:20<oldlaptop>(first partition of the second disk)
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16:21<oldlaptop>or would it be hd1,1
16:21<oldlaptop>Anyhow. Try changing that to hd0 instead of hd1, and pushing F10
16:21<oldlaptop>(to make it boot)
16:21<Fidgett>yes - several lines down, i see -> set root=' (hd1,msdos1)'
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16:22<oldlaptop>yes
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16:22<oldlaptop>change it to (hd0,msdos1)
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16:22<oldlaptop>that *should* refer to the install on your first disk
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16:22<Fidgett>okay. give me a min. i am going to take a deep breathe right before i do it. and no - am not going to cry.
16:22<oldlaptop>assuming it's identical to the first one it should boot
16:23<oldlaptop>*second
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16:23<oldlaptop>if you had different kernels/encryption or something it might not work
16:23<Fidgett>my two oss are "identical" - except they are NOT! what i mean is...
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16:25<Fidgett>oldlaptop: in the desktop this 2nd disk has a bunch more apps and settings and i did NOTHING much differantly - except the 1st install took much longer with a good deal of help from a few people here...
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16:26<oldlaptop>it should work to simply switch hd1 to hd0 in there then :)
16:26<oldlaptop>it won't hurt anything at least
16:26<Fidgett>i used the same exact install disc - and answered all the questions of the expert install the same way. wierd, huh?
16:27<iXeno>sney: heh, I didn't read it, and started the process directly from stable to sid...
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16:27<oldlaptop>Fidgett: I suppose so? :)
16:28<iXeno>sney: not a big risk though, it's a fresh installation that I haven't even managed to get booted yet
16:28<iXeno>which is kinda why I'm doing it
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16:30<sney>iXeno: ok, please note that testing and sid support go to #debian-next, not here
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16:30<iXeno>oki :)
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16:31<Fidgett>oldlaptop: done and it only - still - saw the 2nd disk - so maybe i just need to do one cold boot - or update grub - or reinstall? ? ?
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16:32<Fidgett>i unencrypted and am now at the login page on second disk...
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16:33<oldlaptop>Fidgett: What error message did it give?
16:33<Fidgett>none.
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16:33<oldlaptop>(you need to make that edit and press F10, by the way - did you do that?)
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16:33<oldlaptop>NOT go back to the menu
16:33<oldlaptop>just to make sure :)
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16:33<Fidgett>seriously - and i did press F10
16:34<oldlaptop>hm
16:34<oldlaptop>I'm out of ideas then - it didn't give you an error message at all
16:34<oldlaptop>?
16:34<Fidgett>reboot from a cold-off and try again?
16:34<oldlaptop>did it boot you back to the menu?
16:34<oldlaptop>or just boot the second system
16:34<Fidgett>i just looged in to disk2
16:35<Fidgett>logged in
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16:35<oldlaptop>What exactly happened in grub though?
16:35<oldlaptop>You made the edit and pressed F10 - then?
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16:35<Fidgett>it went to the page asking me to unencrypt, wh/ it did just fine...
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16:36<oldlaptop>hmh
16:36<Fidgett>i am powering off...
16:36<oldlaptop>I don't know anything about FDE, suspect maybe that's the issue
16:37<Fidgett>i will go back and see if the hd0 actually took.
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16:37<oldlaptop>oh - it won't save that
16:37<oldlaptop>you're changing it for the one time
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16:37<Fidgett>huh?
16:37<oldlaptop>you change it in there and press F10 - I think it goes away if you even go back to the grub menu
16:37<Fidgett>so i must edit in nano?
16:37<oldlaptop>That edit page is a one-time quick testing feature
16:38<oldlaptop>no
16:38<Fidgett>oh.
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16:38<oldlaptop>you edit in GRUB to see if we should bother using nano ;)
16:38<Fidgett>i must feed a hungry youngster - back in 20 min... <3
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16:56<freelsd>help
16:56<sney>!ask
16:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:57<freelsd>!help
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16:57<petn-randall>freelsd: Call 911
16:57<freelsd>!ask
16:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
16:57<freelsd>just testing
16:57<petn-randall>Our patience? ;)
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16:58<freelsd>no, sorry, chat features or some trick maybe..
16:59<petn-randall>freelsd: you can query dpkg and then ask him everything you want.
16:59<petn-randall>dpkg: tell freelsd about help
16:59<freelsd>thx fine
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17:10<iXeno>on a macbook pro, what is the key combo for jumping from X11 into a console?
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17:12<blumoon>@lmgtfy mac key shortcut console
17:12<blumoon>@lmgfy mac key shortcut console
17:12<blumoon>o no its dead
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17:23<stderr_dk>iXeno: Some pages say it's the normal Ctrl-Alt-F1, but some say you need Fn too.
17:24<iXeno>macbooks don't have function keys directly accessible, you typically have to use fn
17:24<iXeno>default they're intercepted by the hardware/bios to adjust brightness and things like that
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17:38<walteretania>Hi there
17:38<walteretania>Anybody there?
17:38<sney>!ask
17:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:39<walteretania>I have a problem with my navegator.
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17:39<walteretania>I can't open facebook, youtube and some others websites.
17:39<sney>what debian version and what browser are you using?
17:40<walteretania>I think it's with flash player, I've already installed it with terminal.
17:40<walteretania>Wait, I'll see
17:40<walteretania>Kernel Linux 3.8-2-686-pae.
17:40<walteretania>Lançamento 7.0 (wheezy) 32-bit
17:40<walteretania>GNOME 3.4.2
17:41<walteretania>I'm new with linux systems, I was used to use windos 7
17:41<walteretania>I use Google chorme, Firefox and Iceweasel.
17:42<oldlaptop>Firefox == Iceweasel, more or less
17:42<walteretania>I know
17:42<oldlaptop>oh, good :)
17:42<walteretania>:)
17:43<petn-randall>!flashplugin
17:43<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or <adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free implementations. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash
17:43<oldlaptop>What exactly is the problem - are you unable to access *any* websites?
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17:43<walteretania>I can't access just facebook and youtube.
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17:44<maramara>hi
17:44<walteretania>A friend of mine said me it can be a problem with farewall
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17:44<oldlaptop>You said 'other sites' too?
17:44<walteretania>Firefox, Iceweasel and google chrme could not be unlocked on the farewall.
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17:45<walteretania>Some other sites just.
17:45<oldlaptop>Which ones?
17:45<walteretania>Like adobe.
17:45<oldlaptop>(it's 'firewall' :))
17:45<walteretania>OKay.
17:45<walteretania>What can I do now?
17:45<oldlaptop>Does any site work?
17:45<walteretania>yes
17:45<walteretania>Google.com, Tw, gmail, and some others.
17:46<oldlaptop>Tw?
17:46<walteretania>Tribalwars.com
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17:47<walteretania>How can I change farewall to not bother firefox, or google chrome?
17:47<oldlaptop>hm... Try the following two links:
17:47<oldlaptop>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
17:47<oldlaptop>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
17:48<AngryBeers>Tired of niggers?
17:48<AngryBeers>Sick of their monkeyshines?
17:48<Fidgett>oldlaptop: i just did that temp-grub-edit thing again and hit F10 and it Still won't see the hd0 disk - is editing grub in nano an appropriate next step?
17:48-!-aranax_ [~aranax@186.151.29.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:48<AngryBeers>We are too!
17:48<AngryBeers>Join Chimpout Forum!
17:48<AngryBeers>http://www.chimpout.com/forum
17:48<oldlaptop>The only difference is that the one on top won't use SSL, the one on the bottom will
17:48<sney>!ops AngryBeers
17:48<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: sney complains about: AngryBeers
17:48<AngryBeers>At Chimpout, we are NOT white supremacists!
17:48<AngryBeers>I myself am a Mexican!
17:48-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
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17:48<AngryBeers>Basically, if you are not a NIGGER and you hate NIGGERS, we welcome you with open arms
17:48<AngryBeers>Join Chimpout Forum today!
17:48-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@110.208.139.5] by themill
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17:48<walteretania>Ok, I'll try, thanks!
17:49<oldlaptop>Fidgett: You aren't going back to the menu or anything?
17:49<walteretania>Now I'll go out, Thanks Oldlaptop!
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17:51<sney>sneaky based-on-debian
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17:54<Octav>Hi, everybody :)
17:54<petn-randall>sney: Who? I don't even think AngryBeers ran anything based on Debian ...
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17:55<Fidgett>oldlaptop: it boots up the 2nd disk just fine and stderr_dk really helped me a lot with the 1st disk, as did several others - and i know that the first os is fine - and the encryption is beautiful... i am now rebooting and i will stop it at the grub menu.
17:55<Octav>can someone to tell me how to resolve this error "The following packages have unmet dependencies:
17:55<Octav> php5-snmp : Depends: libsnmp15 (>= 5.4.3~dfsg) but it is not going to be installed
17:55<Octav>E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
17:55<Octav>" :)
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17:55<Fidgett>oldlaptop: okay - i am now at grub-menue
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17:55<stderr_dk>Octav: http://paste.debian.net/
17:55<Fidgett>menu.
17:56<Octav>Thanks stderr :)
17:56<oldlaptop>Fidgett: So when you press F10 it boots the second disk?
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17:56<Octav>I get this error, http://paste.debian.net/79852/ , I reinstalled debian 2 times, and when I upgrade php5 and remove it, I get this error ...
17:56<oldlaptop>if that's what it does... I honestly don't have any other idea
17:57<Fidgett>on the 2nd disk. and yes, it just boots to the second disk.
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17:58<stderr_dk>Octav: Are you running Wheezy or something else?
17:58<Fidgett>oldlaptop: can't i Permanently edit the grub on disk 2?
17:58<Octav>Yes, Wheezy :) 7.2
17:58<oldlaptop>Fidgett: I don't think that will help
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17:58<oldlaptop>at least... I don't have any idea how
17:58<Fidgett>hmmm...
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17:59<stderr_dk>Octav: Try aptitutde update ; aptitude -f install and see if that helps.
18:00<Octav>stderr_dk: nothing happens ...
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18:01<stderr_dk>Octav: Can you put your sources.list up too?
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18:01<Octav>stderr_dk: Sure, 2 sec
18:02<Octav>stderr_dk: http://paste.debian.net/79853/
18:03<themill>Octav: when was the last time you ran apt-get update? (also, all bets are off when it comes to dotdeb packages)
18:03<Fidgett>oldlaptop: i promised my peeps that with debian i will be able to read .mxl M$ docs - and i really need a backup system... my goal is to learn debian by doing the same customs on both os-s - so that when one disk fails - as they all do eventually - i will have no urgent crisis. i intend these 2 for my normal everyday use...
18:03<Octav>i do it, before I enter here :)
18:04<oldlaptop>Fidgett: You could always use some other method of keeping backups
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18:04<Octav>themill: but I remove all php5 and delete dotdeb from sourcelist and i get 3 errors ...
18:04<Fidgett>i appreciate your time i will do some searching and stay here too. if no one has the info i am missing, i will wait a couple of hours and ask again...
18:04<Octav>themill: so I put again dotdeb :)
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18:05<oldlaptop>you could (for instance) keep an image of one drive on another
18:05<oldlaptop>in a different machine, for bonus points
18:05<stderr_dk>Octav: I would suggest removing dotdeb and try to fix those 3 errors.
18:06<Octav>stderr_dk: now i do apt-get remove --purge php5_*
18:06<Octav>stderr_dk: now i do apt-get remove --purge php5-*
18:06<Octav>stderr_dk: and I install it again :)
18:06<oldlaptop>that way you could just write that image to a new drive in the event of a failure
18:06<oldlaptop>would take care of OS setup at least
18:06<Fidgett>oldlaptop: no. :) i WILL do this - and i will Succeed. i have felt in over my head thru most of this steep learning curve - but if i was not so DETERMINED then i would just be content to live the life of a M$-Zombie.
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18:07<oldlaptop>that's certainly the right attitude :)
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18:07<Fidgett>i have not learned to do lots of diff KINDs of bacjups - yet -
18:08<Fidgett>THANK you - so much...
18:08<Fidgett><3
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18:08<AngryBeers>Tired of niggers?
18:08<AngryBeers>Sick of their monkeyshines?
18:08<AngryBeers>We are too!
18:08<AngryBeers>Join Chimpout Forum!
18:08<AngryBeers>http://www.chimpout.com/forum
18:08<stderr_dk>!ops AngryBeers
18:08<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: stderr_dk complains about: AngryBeers
18:08<AngryBeers>At Chimpout, we are NOT white supremacists!
18:08-!-piper [~piper@00012f3a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...]
18:08<AngryBeers>I myself am a Mexican!
18:08<AngryBeers>Basically, if you are not a NIGGER and you hate NIGGERS, we welcome you with open arms!
18:09<AngryBeers>Join Chimpout Forum today!
18:09<AngryBeers>http://www.chimpout.com/forum
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18:09<Fidgett>themill: thanks.
18:10<themill>np
18:10<stderr_dk>themill: Can I suggest a ban of ~AngryBeer@* ?
18:10<Tired>was he insulting me?
18:10<Tired>(got highlighted on that shit!)
18:11<themill>just ignore it
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18:11<Fidgett>i appreciate this muc and i am highly motivated to learn - and pay it forward. luv 2 all.
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18:12<Octav>again
18:12<Octav>stderr_dk: again, this error http://paste.debian.net/79852/
18:12<themill>Octav: when was the last time you ran apt-get update?
18:12<Octav>themill: ago 1 minute
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18:13<Octav>themill: after I delete dotdeb
18:13<Fidgett>is it NOT multibooting if 2 os-s are on the same computer but differant disks?
18:13<themill>Octav: the output of «apt-cache policy php5-snmp libsnmp15 php5; apt-cache policy; aptitude search ~Vdotdeb» would be nice to see in a pastebin
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18:14<Fidgett>i have multibooted on a few disks - just never on 2 disks on the same computer.
18:14<Octav>themill: I think it is good, http://paste.debian.net/79855/
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18:15<themill>Octav: can you try "aptitude install php5-snmp libsnmp15" for us?
18:16<Fidgett>maybe there is a muc filled with crypto-geeks - does anyone know?
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18:17<Octav>themill: http://paste.debian.net/79856/
18:17<themill>Octav: ahh... where did that perl come from?
18:18<stderr_dk>Octav: On that last paste, was the last command just "aptitude" or was "search ~Vdotdeb" just cut from the paste?
18:18<themill>!not available
18:18<dpkg>To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
18:18<Octav>aptitude
18:18<themill>Octav: ^^ the output of that command would be handy
18:18<Octav>stderr_dk: aotutyde
18:19<Octav>are puzzling
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18:19<Octav>themill: I don't know ...
18:20<stderr_dk>Octav: themill asked for "aptitude search ~Vdotdeb", but http://paste.debian.net/79855/ looks like you just typed "aptitude".
18:20<Octav>stderr_dk: the last was aptitude install php5-snmp libsnmp15
18:20<stderr_dk>Yeah, I hadn't seen that line when I pressed enter. I was talking about the paste before that one.
18:21<Octav>themill and stder_dk it is empty, I typed it and nothing happen :) I mean it search and no result i think
18:21<themill>Octav: can you pastebin the output of «aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'»
18:21<Octav>themill: apt-cache policy php5-snmp libsnmp15 php5 : http://paste.debian.net/79857/
18:22<Octav>themill: http://paste.debian.net/79858/
18:22<Octav>themill: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
18:22<themill>eek
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18:23<Octav>?
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18:24<Octav>themill: it is ok?
18:25<themill>Did you edit your sources.list and add entries for sid at some stage?
18:25<Octav>I edited it to delete dotdeb :)
18:25<themill>and to put dotdeb in at some stage
18:25<Octav>Ohh, I edited it for add update php5 and nginx.
18:27<themill>Yeah... I'd really recommend reinstalling that machine. And don't stick things in the sources.list that are not official debian repositories for wheezy.
18:27<Octav>oh ... I reinstalled it 3 or more time :(
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18:28<themill>well stop breaking it ...
18:28<Octav>But, how can I update it to new version ?
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18:28<Octav>and is there an way to install it over the network? :)
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18:31<Octav>so, I can't revert it to original settings?
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18:34<Octav>how can I delete all unused filed?
18:34<Octav>aptitude purge '~c'?
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18:40<stderr_dk>Octav: That long list of packages is pretty weird... Unless I'm mistaken, you got both grub and lilo installed.
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18:42<Octav>yes, i think I get an error at grub
18:43<Octav>and I installed lilo :)
18:45<Octav>stderr_dk: I must to do a secure erasing and install debian again, yes?
18:46<stderr_dk>I don't know about a secure erasing...
18:46<Octav>eh... it is from IBM..
18:46<Octav>I must to format HDDs?
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18:47<stderr_dk>Oh, I thought you meant wiping the drive 11 times and all that...
18:47<stderr_dk>Remember to make a backup of your important files.
18:47<Octav>11 times ? :O
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18:48<Octav>i don't have, but 11 times :O
18:48<Octav>is not to much?
18:48<stderr_dk>Or 17 or however many they say is needed for a _secure_ erasing of the drive.
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18:49<Octav>So, i do a secure erasing or a format?
18:49<stderr_dk>Unless you got some top-secret stuff on that box, a simple format should be enough.
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18:49<Octav>I don't have top=secret files :))
18:50<Octav>Ok so I will do a format, thank you :)
18:50<Octav>and themill thank you too :)
18:50<oldlaptop>if you have REALLY secret stuff on a drive, you probably need to just destroy it
18:50<oldlaptop>:P
18:51<stderr_dk>oldlaptop: Well, he did install dotdeb... :-)
18:51<oldlaptop>thermite is great stuff, I've heard
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18:52<Octav>stderr_dk: but how can I update it to new verision for eg: nginx to 1.5.9?
18:52<Octav>without dotdeb, sure
18:53<stderr_dk>Do you _need_ nginx 1.5.9? Why?
18:54<oldlaptop>bigger version number is not important
18:54<Octav>it is new :?
18:54<oldlaptop>some specific feature might be
18:54<Octav>oh.
18:54<oldlaptop>Does nginx 1.5.9 do something you need?
18:54<oldlaptop>that <whatever in stable> doesn't?
18:54<oldlaptop>,v nginx
18:54<Octav>No, but I saw the new version, and php same ...
18:54<judd>Package: nginx on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy2; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy2; wheezy-backports: 1.4.4-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.4.4-4; sid: 1.4.4-4
18:54<themill>I thought nginx used the even=stable, odd=development numbering scheme
18:55<oldlaptop>my advice would be: if it ain't broke, don't fix it
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18:55<Octav>Ohh, i understand now
18:55<Octav>Debian make updates to all features, eg: nginx, php5 etc with new versions, yes?
18:55<oldlaptop>Well
18:56<oldlaptop>jessie will have at least 1.4.4 when it's released
18:56<oldlaptop>as judd told us all
18:56<oldlaptop>maybe 1.6.something?
18:56<Octav>Aha :)
18:56*oldlaptop is not an nginx maintainer
18:56<oldlaptop>stable will *never* get major version updates
18:56<oldlaptop>at least that used to be how it was
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18:57<oldlaptop>now they don't bother backporting security fixes in iceweasel, they just track ESRs
18:57<Octav>When jessie will be released, can I make update from wheezy to jessy from putty?
18:57<themill>oldlaptop: which is pretty much the same thing
18:57<Octav>Ok, oldlaptop :)
18:57<oldlaptop>I would advise doing that while actually sitting in front of the thing
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18:57<oldlaptop>It's possible to upgrade over ssh, but it's one more potential problem to bite you
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18:58<oldlaptop>you absolutely want to use screen/tmux if you try that
18:58<Octav>ok. thanks all :)
18:58*KNUBBIG just upgraded over SSH without screen and remembered he wanted to use screen just after apt-get upgrade'ing
18:59*oldlaptop knows that feeling :/
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18:59<oldlaptop>also tmux rules screen drools </flame>
18:59<oldlaptop>:D
18:59<rjsalts>Octav, oldlaptop: I've never had a problem with ssh and no screen. That being said if your connection drops out it could be fun
18:59<KNUBBIG>:D
18:59<oldlaptop>rjsalts: that's the idea
18:59<oldlaptop>particularly with something like the udev transition in squeeze->wheezy
19:00<Octav>rjslats: I don't want to my connections drops :))
19:00<rjsalts>I was never bitten by that
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19:02<Octav>oh one more question.
19:03<Octav>Can I keep a domain to my server, I have only one IP.
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19:04<stderr_dk>What do you mean?
19:04<Octav>I mean, like a webhost
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19:05<rjsalts>Octav: you only need 1 public ip to host 1 website
19:05<Octav>to put ns in my caret of domain and host it on my server
19:05<Octav>I have it :)
19:05<Octav>from my IPS
19:05<Octav>ISP*
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19:07<stderr_dk>If you got a domain and a public IP-address, all you need is an A (or AAAA for IPv6) record...
19:07<Octav>what is A or AAAA?
19:08<rjsalts>Octav: and possibly some static nat if the public ip is bound to the external interface of your home router
19:08<stderr_dk>An A record holds the IPv4 address of a hostname.
19:08<rjsalts>Octav: A record is for pointing a name to an ipv4 address, AAAA is for pointing a name to an ipv6 address
19:08<Octav>I maked a DMZ to it. (rajsalts)
19:08<Octav>So, how can I make that A
19:08<Octav>?
19:09<stderr_dk>You have to talk to your DNS provider for that.
19:09<rjsalts>Octav: on the dns server that hosts your domain
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19:10<Octav>stderr_dk: i'm confuse... I don't have any DNS
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19:11<Octav>rjsalts: Can I make it on debian?
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19:11<stderr_dk>If you don't have a domain, you'll need to buy one.
19:11<DNS>not always
19:11<rjsalts>Octav: you can host your own domain, although it's prudent to have more than 1 nameserver. Although if there is no redundancy in anything else then it probably won't matter that much if you don't
19:11<Octav>I have domain
19:12<DNS>http://freedns.afraid.org/ < here you can get free ones
19:12<Octav>stderr_dk: I have it.
19:12<rjsalts>Octav: but some TLD operators like you to have more than 1 nameserver on separate ASes and enforce it. de springs to mind
19:12<DNS>but almost subdomains afaik
19:13<stderr_dk>Depending on the TLD you might need 2 nameservers.
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19:13<Octav>rjsalts: Yes my TLD operator force me to 2 if I put same IP in all carets ...
19:13<Octav>I mean, if I put server ip in 2 carets, it take only first caret with srever ip
19:13<Octav>fill*
19:15<stderr_dk>Octav: What's your domain?
19:15<Octav>stderr_dk: l2bing.com
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19:15<stderr_dk>Name Server: NS1.SEDOPARKING.COM
19:16<Octav>yes
19:16<stderr_dk>So you need to talk to sedoparking.com about pointing a hostname to your IP-address.
19:16<Octav>It is registred at godaddy
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19:17<rjsalts>Octav: if sedoparking doesn't offer to set up A records for you then godaddy definitely does
19:17<KNUBBIG>Oh there was an interesting story concerning godaddy and some twitter account, wasn't there? :P
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19:17<rjsalts>yeah, their customer service is easily socially engineered
19:17<Octav>KNUBBIG I don't understand
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19:18<stderr_dk>rjsalts: If they don't, they're pretty useless as a DNS...
19:18<KNUBBIG>Octav: nah has nothing to do wwith your case, just remmembering
19:18<stderr_dk>KNUBBIG: Was it "n"?
19:18<KNUBBIG>stderr_dk: yea i think so
19:18<Octav>btw, I want to know how to make a site on my server, to bind the domain to my ip :)
19:18<rjsalts>stderr_dk: I believe they're mostly about monetizing a domain by putting search engine ads, etc on unused domains
19:18<Octav>Knnubbig: ok
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19:19<stderr_dk>rjsalts: Ok.
19:19<stderr_dk>I just use good, old gratisdns.dk
19:21<stderr_dk>Octav: You need to talk to sedoparking or maybe godaddy about pointing the hostname to your IP. We can't help you with that.
19:21<Octav>but it is possible?
19:21<rjsalts>Octav: yes
19:21<stderr_dk>Most likely.
19:21<Octav>I mean, I don't need anything in plus, like someone say me vhost
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19:22<stderr_dk>If you just want http:// you don't need anything else. If you want https:// too, you need a certificate.
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19:23<rjsalts>Octav: dns is separate to web hosting, is different than email, etc. They intersect a bit in places but you should be able to set up A records and MX records to point to your server and then configure your web server and/or mail server to be responsible for those domains
19:23<Octav>stderr_dk: Ok, thanks :)
19:24<Octav>rjsalts: Yes, I want to know how to make that. Sorry but I'm not a native english ..
19:24<rjsalts>Octav: startssl.com do free certificates if you can muddle your way through their signup process
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19:26<Octav>rajsalts: Wait a second, about DNS, it is use when I have IP, yes?
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19:27<rjsalts>Octav: it's a directory of names, sometimes they point to ip addresses
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19:28<Octav>rajsalts: Aha, btw I have static IP, but I want to keep 2 or more domain on my server, how can I do that?
19:28<phacele55>octave more like names in a phone book, the phone number is your ip
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19:28<phacele55>Octav: unless you have domain trust you can't
19:28<Octav>phacele55: Thank you :) So, it must to know my number to call me (bind the domain).
19:29<Octav>I have 2 domains :)
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19:29<Octav>and I want to keep it on my server
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19:29<bugtraq>hi
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19:30<rjsalts>Octav: you can point them both to the same ip address, this will potentially complicate things if you wish to have https sites for both of them, but is otherwise very similar to a single domain
19:30<bugtraq>hi
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19:30<Octav>rjsalts: I don't want https I just want how to bind domains
19:30<phacele55>Octav: like a vm DNS?
19:30<Octav>bugtraq: hi.
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19:31<rjsalts>Octav: just setting it up with godaddy is the easiest
19:31<Octav>phacele55: what is vm? (sorry but I'm newbie in debian and this world of servers)
19:31<phacele55>Octav: virtual machine
19:31<rjsalts>Octav: they offer free hosting of dns
19:31<Octav>rajsalts: Yes, but on my server, what I need to do?
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19:33<rjsalts>Octav: you'll want to create host records in godaddy, set up a name server ( bind, powerdns, or nsd are pretty popular open source ones which are in debian)
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19:33<Octav>rajsalts: you know web hosts, yes? With ftp, cpanel, phpmyadmin yes?
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19:34<rjsalts>Octav: put in the zones (i.e. domain names with any records under them) into your nameserver and tell godaddy to create a delegation to the host you created on your ip
19:34<Octav>rajsalts: I don't need something like that? https://library.linode.com/web-servers/nginx/php-fastcgi/debian-6-squeeze
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19:36<rjsalts>Octav: for web server, sure
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19:37<Octav>rjslats: That i mean :)
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19:37<Octav>But, is the correct way on the site?
19:38<kardan>:/ kernel: [203295.517282] tmux[9904] general protection ip:7f311c857029 sp:7fffe8a2f2d8 error:0 in tmux[7f311c814000+59000]
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19:39<KNUBBIG>I have samba used with several Windows clients which sadly tend to use umlauts in their file names. Which charset should I use and is there a possiblity to 'revert' bad filenames with messed up umlauts to the original, correct name? Thanks.
19:39<rjsalts>Octav: seems fine if you wish to use nginx
19:40<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: whatever character set was in use when the file was created. I'm guessing that would be the character set on the windows hosts
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19:41<kardan>maybe I should not start long running programs with miserable garbage collection from tmux
19:41<themill>convmv can do filename character re-encoding
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19:41<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: thank and nvm, I saw the umlauts were just messed up in the console, they're fine on the fs
19:41<KNUBBIG>themill: thanks
19:42<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: it will depends on your LANG environment variable
19:42<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: en_US.UTF-8 :)
19:42<rjsalts>s/depends/depend/
19:42<themill>but the filenames may well be in some legacy windows encoding
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19:43<themill>(I vaguely recall that samba can reencode filenames to deal with this sort of nonsense)
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19:50<pb>are there any basic tweaks to do to a fresh weezy install to help with a gaming server?
19:51<pb>some people are getting minor PL presumabley from congestion in Chicago
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19:55<Fidgett> is chain-loading [whatever that is] required to multiboot two debians on two disks in one computer?
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19:56<Fidgett>my new clean installs are not both being seen by the 2nd-disk's grub2
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19:57<Fidgett>and the grub.cfg shows tha hd1 is set to root - not hd0 -
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19:58<Fidgett>might anyone know if i just need to edit the grub on the 2nd manually?
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20:06<KNUBBIG>postifx won't work for me anymore, it first gave me no sasl method and, after adding smtpd_sasl_path = smtpd to the config file, it tells me no such file or directory. Any ideas :/
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20:11<Fidgett>...are there any Chain-loading-Multi-boot Masters around? and is this chain-loading [whatever that is] required to multi-boot two debians - on two disks - in one computer? my new clean installs are Not BOTH being seen by the 2nd-disk's grub2 - and - the grub.cfg shows that hd1 is set to root - not hd0... and might anyone know if i just need to edit the 2nd grub2 manually? and how?
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20:15<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: what're you using for sasl auth?
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20:16<rjsalts>Fidgett: I don't think you need chainloading for multiple linux installations, although it's one way to do it
20:16<octocpp>Is freenode down right now?
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20:16<rjsalts>octocpp: nope
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20:16<octocpp>hmm. looks like I connected now
20:16<themill>octocpp: freenode is deeply unhappy today
20:17<Octav>rjslats: between nginx and apache2 what you choose?
20:17<Fidgett>rjsalts: do you know of another way?
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20:17<octocpp>themill: I take it i am not the only one noticing freenodes unhappiness heh
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20:18<rjsalts>Octav: I use apache, because that's what I know. They're both good in different ways. nginx is small and fast, apache is feature rich
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20:19<octocpp>themill: yea, freenode just closed on me again
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20:20<rjsalts>octocpp: I'm connect to wolfe.freenode.net[2001:41c8:0:3ee::2/6667] and haven't noticed anything
20:20<Octav>rjsalts: hmmm, I read nginx can keep much more users in sametime then apache.
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20:20<Octav>But if you don't know apache and nginx what you choose ? :)
20:20<rjsalts>Octav: small and fast
20:20<octocpp>rjsalts: thanks, ill try that one
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20:23<rjsalts>Octav: depends on what I was doing. If it's public web server with large numbers of concurrent users than nginx would probably fit the brief better. If you're doing a corporate intranet with single signon through your kerberos realm then I'd choose apache
20:24<rjsalts>Octav: if you're on a DSL/cable connection I don't think it would matter either way
20:24<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: sorry was trying to fix it, dovecot
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20:24<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: I changed some things and now don't get anymore errors in syslog but log in still fails
20:24<rjsalts>Octav: you're going to run out of bandwidth before the performance limitations of apache come into play
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20:25<b13b>Hey everyone, i managed to screw something up when trying to install nvidia drivers, and now I just get a black screen. Anyone think they can help?
20:25<KNUBBIG>actually I can't seem to find any errors but login doesn't work -.-
20:25<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: smtpd_sasl_type=dovecot in there?
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20:26<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: yes
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20:26<Octav>rjsalts: thank you :) See tomorrow
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20:27<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: and you've got dovecot sasl listener on /var/lib/postfix/smtpd?
20:28<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: I'm not sure, what do I have to do for that?
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20:29<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: in your dovecot serivce auth {} block you have unix_listener /var/spool/postfix/smtpd { your stuff here }
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20:30<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: I have unix_listener /var/spool/postfix/private/auth
20:31<KNUBBIG>i changed it in the postfix conf
20:31<KNUBBIG>to private/auth
20:31<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: ok, so long as it matches and you can see the thing. lsof is your friend in that respect
20:31<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: yea it matches and exists
20:32<KNUBBIG>SASL PLAIN authentication failed
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20:38<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: I assume it will work with dovecot sasl as well, but you could check out testsasl
20:38<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: I take it you're using swaks or something similar to test it
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20:38<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: I'll have a look at it .. I fear I might just have something wrong with my Outlook (this is the server I upgraded earlier today, was using Outlook until that)
20:39<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: install swaks, it's good for debugging smtp conversations, including auth
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20:40<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: There might also be something in mail logs
20:41<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: i just did swaks to admin@simon-guenter.de and it just worked fine lul
20:41<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: Did it use the same authentication mechanism?
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20:42<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: I dunno
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20:43<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: -a, --auth [auth-type[,auth-type,...]] in swaks
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20:43<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: check your logs for what outlook is doing/attempting to do
20:43<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: I tried and didn't see anything in any logs, not syslog, not mail.err not mail.wwarn
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20:46<KNUBBIG>tar cvpzf backup.tgz --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/root/backup.tgz --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/sys /
20:46<KNUBBIG>whoops
20:46<KNUBBIG>sorry
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20:47<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: from what I see, mail sending works fine just authentication doesn't work at all
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20:47<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html#debug_peer maybe?
20:48<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: thanks!
20:49<b13b>anyone have any ideas why ethernet connection isn't working in single user mode?
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20:50<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: no, still nothing more in syslog just this
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20:50<KNUBBIG>http://paste.debian.net/79874/
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20:53<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: that's with outlook I take it
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20:55<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: :@ I'll just try to get squirrelmail to work and see if it's fine there - if it is, I'll have to fiddle around with these damn Outlook settings
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20:57<phacele55>is there something wrong with the freenode server?
20:57<sney>apparently
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20:57<phacele55>sney: you having issues too?
20:57<sney>oftc seems to be hurting too
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20:57<sney>maybe it's just ddos sunday
20:58<phacele55>lol loic ftw
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21:02<KNUBBIG>my problem with squirrelmail: SoftException in Application.cpp:221: File "/usr/share/squirrelmail//index.php" is not in document root of Vhost "/var/www" I basically know what the error says but not how to fix it
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21:12<phacele55>how do i request ghost?
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21:14<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: which web server? how're you running php?
21:14<rjsalts>phacele55: ghost?
21:14<phacele55>yeah a ghost on my nick?
21:14<xeon-enouf>!tell me -about msgthebot
21:14<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: apache | hum? How do you mean?
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21:15<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: mod_php, suphp, fast-cgi, ...
21:15<KNUBBIG>mod_php
21:16<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: you sure it's not suphp?
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21:17<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: hm I'm not sure but I thought so
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21:18<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: create a file in doc root with <?php phpinfo(); ?>
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21:22<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: for what do I look in the phpinfo?
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21:24<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: from what I see in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled it appears to be suphp :-[ shame on me
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21:27<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: so you'll want to tweak stuff in suphp config
21:27<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: you want Server API from phpinfo
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21:28<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: Server API is CGI/FastCGI
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21:31<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: mod_php is Apache 2.0 Handler
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21:31<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: adding AddType application/x-httpd-suphp .php .php3 .php4 .php5 .phtml to mods-available/suphp.conf did the trick :^)
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21:32<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: logging in to the mail server still doesn't work, though ...
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21:41<Fidgett>hi... Are there any Chain-loading/Multi-booting Masters around? and is chain-loading required or is it the BEST option to multi-boot two debians - on two disks - in one computer?
21:41<Fidgett>i'm a Deb-Noob - w/ 2 clean installs wh/ are NOT BOTH being seen by the 2nd-disk's grub2 - and - the grub.cfg shows that hd1 is set to root - not hd0.
21:41<Fidgett>And might anyone know if i just need to edit the 2nd install's grub2 files manually? and how? AND: i just entered this command as root: cat /boot/grub/device.map - and (hd0) and (hd1) ARE Both showing here - but not in grub. ALSO: os-prober IS installed - might it be of use to Re-install os-prober?
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21:44<KNUBBIG>if i remove postfix/dovecot, will my mailboxes be deleted as well?
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21:45<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: nope
21:46<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: so that might be worth considering
21:46<KNUBBIG>to maybe 'fix' the problem
21:46<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: I doubt it's the software
21:47<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: and the config is in /etc/postfix and /etc/dovecot.
21:47<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: I think it might be some wrong value in some configuration file that got left behind .. if even squirrelmail with the default settings for postfix doesn't work
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21:47<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: what does the output of swaks say? paste?
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21:51<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: when used with --from --auth --auth-user --auth-password it gave me 535 5.7.8 Error: authentication failed: No authentication type succeeded
21:51<KNUBBIG>currently it just times out
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21:53<lautriv>can anyone help me modifying xkb for an uncommon keyboard ? the most important thing is to set AltGr to keykode 135, i did so in keycodes/evdev and keycodes/xfree86 but both doesn't change anything ...
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21:54<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: the timeout was some security mechanism, the error prevails
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22:02<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: http://paste.debian.net/79884/ shows an example from swaks. What does it say in 250-AUTH as the response to ehlo?
22:02<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: keep in mind you should redact any AUTH PLAIN dGhpcyBpcyB3aGVyZSB5b3VyIHVzZXJuYW1lIGFuZCBwYXNzd29yZCBnbwo= lines
22:03<KNUBBIG>rjsalts:
22:03<KNUBBIG>http://paste.debian.net/79885/
22:03<KNUBBIG>after http://serverfault.com/questions/517917/upgrading-to-debian-7-postfix-auth-fails i get a lot more output in syslog, namely:
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22:03<KNUBBIG>http://paste.debian.net/79886/
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22:04<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: you'll need to reset your password
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22:05<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: i already did that with ispconfig :<
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22:05<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: how would I do that from the commmand line?
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22:05<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: I mean you just put it in your paste
22:05<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: HUOIFDAJLSA
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22:06<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: where?
22:07<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: the AUTH PLAIN ... is just base64 encoding of null separated username and password
22:07<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: oh
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22:08<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: which is why I said to redact it
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22:08<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: yeah was just about to look up what redact meant when you said that about the password ^^ (sorry no native English speaker)
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22:09<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: it's not a common word even if you were
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22:11<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: and I'd bust out testsasl
22:11<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: or turn up the debugging in dovecot
22:12<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: postfix looks pretty normal
22:12<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: okay, I'll try testsasl
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22:15<bonuscup>Has anyone had any luck getting the marlin file browser installed under debian?
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22:16<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: dovecot debug log gives me nothing more just the same error from swaks
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22:19<KNUBBIG>I dunno the MySQL password and user works fine as well
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22:27<b13b>I'm trying to install nvidia drivers, but no matter what I do I keep getting the black screen
22:27<b13b>I've made sure nouveau is blacklisted
22:28<b13b>but it is still not working out
22:28<b13b>Anyone care to assist me?
22:28<KNUBBIG>if /etc/pam.d/smtp says usercolumn=login but usercolumn=email, that might be a problem, right?
22:28<KNUBBIG>i mean email is correct, login doesn't exist
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22:33<KNUBBIG>oh well nvm :/
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22:37<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: you're not using pam are you?
22:38<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: i think i am
22:39<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: why, shouldn't I?
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22:39<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: you're using dovecot sasl right?
22:39<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: yes
22:39<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: dovecot sasl != pam
22:40<KNUBBIG>uhm..
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22:41<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: what do I have to change?
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22:43<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: What your dovecot userdb statement look like is more important
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22:44<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: the sql select?
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22:45<rjsalts>KNUBBIG: if you're using sql based users, then yes
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22:46<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: sql_select: select password from mail_user where login = '%u'
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22:54<rjsalts>seems fine
22:54<KNUBBIG>yea
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22:54<KNUBBIG>I'm still confused why I don't get any specific error
22:54<cesurasean>How would I go about mounting this in /etc/fstab? - s3fs /mnt/data -o bucket=freeservice_us -o AWS_ACCESS_KEY_ID=AKIAJZXKQ7OYVINCJLRA -o AWS_SECRET_ACCESS_KEY=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 -o cachedir=/tmp
22:54<cesurasean>whoops.
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22:55<cesurasean>anyways, how would I go about saving that at boot? deleted those keys. ;P
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22:59<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: after adding this permit_sasl_authenticated, permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination to main.cf, I get further and get a different error message
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22:59<KNUBBIG>(swaks looks different too:)
23:00<KNUBBIG>http://paste.debian.net/79888/
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23:03<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: according to google something's wrong with the password now :p
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23:10<cesurasean>How would I go about mounting this in /etc/fstab? - s3fs /mnt/data -o bucket=freeservice_us -o AWS_ACCESS_KEY_ID=AKIAJZXKQ7OYVINCJLRA -o AWS_SECRET_ACCESS_KEY=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 -o cachedir=/tmp
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23:14<KNUBBIG>and now some packages are conflicted
23:14<KNUBBIG>greate
23:14<KNUBBIG>i get spared nothing
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23:17<jalcine>oi
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23:24<KNUBBIG>Apache2 dependencies out of nowhere: http://paste.debian.net/79891/ anybody?
23:24<xeon-enouf>cesurasean: firstly, you might need to use the Octal representation for the '=' sign; man ascii
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23:24<xeon-enouf>and 's3fs' for entire 1st field makes no sense to me, anyways
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23:26<KNUBBIG>I'm no fan of just removing apache ...
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23:28<kardan>i do not know if this is debian specific, but it looks strange to me: $ createdb redmine -U redmine --encoding=utf-8 => createdb: database creation failed: ERROR: encoding UTF8 does not match locale en_US DETAIL: The chosen LC_CTYPE setting requires encoding LATIN1.
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23:29<kardan>yesterdayI tried to start postgresql with LOCALE=en_US.UTF8 which failed. Now I am really confused how to use utf8 encoded postgres databases.
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23:44<prabhu>hi
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23:48<KNUBBIG>is there a command to reset the whole system to 'factory'? I kinda can't format because it's a remote server wiwth a 500 GB /home
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23:49<Devastatr>KNUBBIG I can't think about any command besides snapshot images
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23:50<KNUBBIG>I destroyed something and now even php isn't working anymore
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23:50<KNUBBIG>I'll never ever do an upgrade from to a newer Debian version again
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23:51<Devastatr>what did you do? wheezy->jessie?
23:51<KNUBBIG>no
23:51<KNUBBIG>squeeze -> wheezy
23:51<Devastatr>did you follow the factoid?
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23:51<KNUBBIG>?
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23:52<KNUBBIG>i upgraded everything, changed sources.list, upgraded everything again and my mailserver login stopped working
23:52<KNUBBIG>and grub ofc
23:52<KNUBBIG>which should at least be fixed
23:52<Devastatr>!squeeze->wheezy
23:52<KNUBBIG>bot's asleep -.-
23:52<Devastatr>hehe
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23:53<Devastatr>I don't know the correct name of the factoid, let me try again
23:53<Devastatr>!tell KNUBBIG about squeeze->wheezy
23:53<KNUBBIG>yea :)
23:53<KNUBBIG>that's what I did
23:53<themill>(you can't use ! with factoids with -> in them in the channel. Don't ask why, you don't want to know)
23:54<KNUBBIG>it worked, the bot told me :p
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23:54<kardan>KNUBBIG, try aptitude instead. it has some self healing mechanisms (though without super cow powers)
23:54<KNUBBIG>kardan: already tried
23:54<Devastatr>KNUBBIG have you asked "squeeze->wheezy failures" to the bot?
23:55<kardan>can you paste the output of 'aptitude safe-upgrade'
23:55<themill>perhaps we could see the output of "aptitude -f install"
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23:55<KNUBBIG>problem is not the upgrade but postfix/sasl/dovecot
23:55<KNUBBIG>upgrade finished i think
23:56<themill>well your last output from apt says something else is wrong still
23:56<kardan>if there are dependency problems above commands will tell you
23:56<Devastatr>you also said something about php not working anymore
23:56<KNUBBIG>yea well the dependency problem is still there, php works again after service apache restart
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23:57<KNUBBIG>http://paste.debian.net/79895/ still prevails
23:57<KNUBBIG>even after aptitude -f install
23:57<themill>that's not the output of aptitude -f install
23:57<KNUBBIG>no
23:58<KNUBBIG>the output is 0 upgraded etc
23:58<KNUBBIG>0 for everything
23:58<KNUBBIG>the same for aptitude safe-upgrade
23:58<init33>woot. Squeeze installed on my Pentium 200.. lol
23:58<themill>,why apache2 libsasl2-2
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23:59<KNUBBIG>i want to remove the whole pesky sasl-stuff
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23:59<Devastatr>judd doesn't seem to be around
23:59<KNUBBIG>as far as I learned dovecot itself should do the trick
23:59<KNUBBIG>without sasl running
23:59<themill>Devastatr: ah
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23:59<themill>KNUBBIG: apache2 requires libsasl2-2 -- you can't remove it
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