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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-02-03

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00:00<KNUBBIG>hm
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00:00<KNUBBIG>Any idea why i get the error about a wrong password when trying to auth? (I'll post the log)
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00:02<KNUBBIG>http://paste.debian.net/79896/
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00:03<KNUBBIG>that's from swaks
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00:04<Devastatr>something seems wrong with your libsasl or dovecot doesn't play well with the new lib
00:04<Devastatr>only speculating :)
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00:05<KNUBBIG>I've set MECHANISMS="pam" in /etc/default/saslauthd which I'm not quite sure is correct
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00:05<KNUBBIG>the connection to mysql doesn't seem to work at all
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00:06<Mongo44>I am downloading a Debian iso with Jigdo and it is taking a very long time.
00:06<init33>Try regular http?
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00:07<KNUBBIG>should I try removing dovecot and postfix and trying again?
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00:08<Devastatr>KNUBBIG check mysql first
00:08<Devastatr>and the saslauthd syntax
00:08<KNUBBIG>Devastatr: what exactly?
00:08<Mongo44>Can I resume the download later?
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00:09<Devastatr>KNUBBIG you said you put MECHANISMS="pam" but wasn't sure, maybe man could help?!
00:09<KNUBBIG>Devastatr: well that was the standard and there seemed to be nothing more apppropriate
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00:10<Devastatr>I see
00:10<Devastatr>what about mysql? can you connect to it using telnet or something?
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00:10<KNUBBIG>Devastatr: i can connect via phpmyadmin and mysql on the command line
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00:11<Devastatr><KNUBBIG> the connection to mysql doesn't seem to work at all << I can't understand this then
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00:11<KNUBBIG>Devastatr: i see nothing being pulled from MySQL in the log
00:12<KNUBBIG>the connection itself seems to work fin
00:12<KNUBBIG>e
00:12<KNUBBIG>I just think the authentication process isn't accessing the database
00:12<Devastatr>it loads a dovecot module
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00:44<kardan>who can help? createdb: database creation failed: ERROR: encoding UTF8 does not match locale en_US DETAIL: The chosen LC_CTYPE setting requires encoding LATIN1. - full output: http://pastebin.com/f95eD9Fr
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00:48<keep>?
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00:49<Braden>Hi, I'm new to Debian and I'm having problems installing. I'm trying to boot my live usb of LMDE (my first mistake) and I keep getting a kernel panic: "(process:297): Glib-WARNING **: getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user. [ 7.037601] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" Any idea why this keeps happening?
00:50<kardan>command is in the paste
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00:50<jm_>!lmde
00:50<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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00:56<KNUBBIG>I finally got at least the log in to work - I had to enably MySQL and select queries by hand, the update kinda 'disabled' that.
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00:58<KNUBBIG>now I can't write the mailboxes
00:58<KNUBBIG>aiaiai
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00:59<kardan>hopefully you made a backup before.
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01:00<KNUBBIG>kardan: yes
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01:00<KNUBBIG>the mailboxes seem to be in a differnet place than before
01:00<KNUBBIG>all mailboxes are empty ...
01:01<kardan>maybe there is a hint in the changelogs
01:01<SamB>or NEWS
01:01<ak>Anyone know which is the right channel to ask questions about Semplice?
01:02<SamB>!semplice
01:02<dpkg>Semplice is a GNU/Linux distribution based on Debian <unstable>. It is not suppored in #debian. http://semplice-linux.org/ #semplice on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
01:02*SamB loves when that works ;-)
01:02<themill>ak: on a good day, there's #semplice on irc.freenode.net. Today is not a good day on freenode.
01:02<ak>Looks like it ;)
01:02<SamB>this is true, today is *not* a good day on freenode :-(
01:03<ak>I wanted to move the taskbar to the top in the default Semplice thing, but dunno where the setting is.
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01:04<KNUBBIG>where are the mails normally stored?
01:04<KNUBBIG>the mailboxes i mean
01:05<ak>In ~/Maildir/ ?
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01:06<KNUBBIG>yea and what would that be? :p I can't remember, I've been up for too long
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01:06<ak>huh?
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01:06<ak>~ means the user's home directory
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01:06<KNUBBIG>ah okay
01:06<KNUBBIG>hm
01:06<KNUBBIG>not in /var/spool/...
01:06<KNUBBIG>?
01:07<ak>Which MTA?
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01:07<ak>Depends. The MTA usually puts things in the spool directory to process. Like send out the emails. Not received emails.
01:08<KNUBBIG>postfix
01:08<ak>And you want to see mails you are sending, or mails you are receiving?
01:08<KNUBBIG>i want to see the received mails
01:09<ak>Then open your postfix config file
01:09<ak>main.cf and look for the mail_spool_directory or something
01:09<ak>It will be specified there
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01:10<KNUBBIG>nothing there
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01:11<ak>In main.cf?
01:11<KNUBBIG>yea, only readme_directory, smtpp*_tls_..._database and html_directory
01:11<KNUBBIG>when i run a grep dir
01:13<ak>Are you using maildir or standard email?
01:13<KNUBBIG>standard
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01:13<KNUBBIG>they should be in /var/spool/mail afaik
01:13<KNUBBIG>but they aren't somehow
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01:14<ak>Did you send youself some email?
01:14<KNUBBIG>no but there should be several thousands of emails
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01:15<kardan>KNUBBIG, you could restore them from the backup.
01:15<ak>Why? if you have users, they don't goto the user's specific mailbox?
01:15<KNUBBIG>kardan: I'm looking at the backup
01:15<ak>You can check in the database if the user/mailboxes are mapped in the DB, or if you are using aliases where the mail is going
01:16<KNUBBIG>ak thanks that might be it
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01:17<KNUBBIG>ak: yea, thanks a lot, they are in /var/vmail/<domain>/
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01:17<ak>So you are using what? Dovecot with Postfix?
01:17<KNUBBIG>yes
01:17<ak>*facepalm*
01:17<KNUBBIG>:(
01:17<ak>Good, start restoring
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01:20<gmarselis>huh. i am getting this on my dhcpd: "fancy bits in fqdn option". googled around a bit, no banana. anybody got a clue, please?
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01:21<KNUBBIG>ak: modifying the SQL query for the maildir did the trick :)
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01:23<ak>KNUBBIG, Yup, good stuff.
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01:26<ak>Is there a howto for installing Debian on a thinkpad?
01:26<gmarselis>slap installer on USB stick, install
01:27<gmarselis>alternatively, run pxeboot
01:28<ak>Installed. Now what :p
01:28<gmarselis>hm? what do you mean, "now what"?
01:28<gmarselis>what is your goal?
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01:28<ak>Use it for regular stuff. Browser, a proper DE. Not too fancy. something to control the fan speed.
01:28<kardan>ak there is a thinkwiki
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01:29<jm_>!thinkpad
01:29<dpkg>[thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it (according to abrotman). Some models restrict MiniPCI card use, see http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_unauthorized_MiniPCI_network_card . See also <gobi>, <hdapsd>, <martian>, <slmodem>, <synaptics>, <tpb>, <trackpoint>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad http://www.thinkwiki.org/ ##ibmthinkpad on irc.freenode.net.
01:29<ak>Oh. There's one for my specific model too. thanks.
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01:29<ak>Awesome. thanks.
01:29<gmarselis>ak: the thing then, you want to do is yes, install the auto-fan controller software
01:30<gmarselis>but other than that, apt-get install -y kde
01:30<gmarselis>but other than that, apt-get install -y kde desktop
01:30<ak>Ok. Doing.
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01:30<gmarselis>and browse along
01:30<gmarselis>wait, you don't have gnome already?
01:30<gmarselis>if you do, disregard kde
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01:31<gmarselis>ak: have you dealt with linux or a unix-like operating system before?
01:31<ak>gmarselis, Yes, but not much as a regular laptop for daily use
01:31<gmarselis>are you comfortable with the command line?
01:32<ak>Yes, totally
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01:32<ak>Well, in what I do, I am comfortable
01:32<gmarselis>cool, we can skip that hurdle then
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01:36<gmarselis>any takers for my dhcpd issue?
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01:41<rjsalts>gmarselis: where's that showing up? syslog? which dhcpd? isc-dhcp-server?
01:42<gmarselis>rjsalts: syslog, yeah. and yes, isc-dhcp-server, may they get a clue one of these days
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01:45<rjsalts>gmarselis: do you have an fqdn option in you dhcpd.conf?
01:45<rjsalts>gmarselis: do you use ddns?
01:46<gmarselis>rjsalts: fqdn? probably. ddns? there are some bits in dhcpd.conf , yes.
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01:46<gmarselis>rjsalts: is that the culpit?
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01:47<KNUBBIG>rjsalts: the big problem was that the update somehow disabled the connection to MySQL - had to edit the config files for that so it works all fine now :) just in case you're interested :)
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01:47<rjsalts>gmarselis: I'm guessing that it's complaining about garbage that the clients are sending as a hostname, so it's a warning about not being able to do ddns updates
01:48<gmarselis>*nod*
01:48<gmarselis>rjsalts: i wish the ISC would put a proper man page out :(
01:48<rjsalts>gmarselis: but I'm guessing. Couldn't see anything in the docs, might have to rtfs
01:49<gmarselis>i feel so dumb every time i have to reference their man page :(
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02:12<nocturna1>speaking of isc, I'm using the isc-dhcp-server package and my leases file is growing out of control. I mean it's filling up 20G of disk space, and now I have expanded the disk. starting dhcpd with such a large file is impossible. what I do when I need to restart is I move the file to the backup file and then start.
02:12<nocturna1>the dhcpd is serving a very large network, tens of thousands of clients, but I don't see why it should use 20G for leases.
02:12<nocturna1>anyone heard of this?
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02:17<SamB>hmm, I expect there's some way to get it to expire entries sooner ...
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02:18<nocturnal>yes
02:19<nocturnal>default lease time is 18000 now
02:19<nocturnal>which is not default
02:19<nocturnal>default I believe is 3600
02:19<nocturnal>but don't quote me
02:20<kardan>!quote
02:20<nocturnal>=/
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02:22<nocturnal>The default is 43200 seconds.
02:22<nocturnal>I rtfm
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02:31<jordanm>is freenode having problems today?
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02:31<kardan>yes
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02:36<SirVictory>I'm looking to setup a VERY basic webserver. I plan to use it just to serve plain text files, screen grab images, etc. Should I be looking at Apache, nginx, lighttpd, or something else?
02:36<nocturnal>apache
02:37<jordanm>any of those will probably serve that purpose out of the box
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02:38<SirVictory>yea, I just was looking for the lightest weight server. There wont even be a website really
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02:45<kardan>maybe servefile
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02:53<SirVictory>http://seba-geek.de/stuff/servefile/ <-- thats perfect, thanks
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02:59<Joob>Hello is anybody there?
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02:59<Joob>Hi
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03:07<nocturnal>hi
03:07<instigator>Hi. How to you minimize full screen apps in linux? Alt-tab doesnt work.
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03:08<nocturnal>tell us which window manager you're using.
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03:13<instigator>Im running Quake 3
03:13<instigator>lxde
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03:15<nocturnal>http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:Questions#A_window.27s_top_title_bar_is_under_the_panel_so_I_can.27t_reach_it.2C_but_I_would_like_to_move.2Fclose.2Fminimize.2Fetc_the_window.
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03:22<instigator>Thanks
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03:26<_spOOn_>!wayland
03:26<dpkg>Wayland is a display server protocol and implementation library, intended as a simpler replacement for the X Window System. Ask me about <weston>. http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ #wayland on irc.freenode.net.
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03:27<_spOOn_>!weston
03:27<dpkg>Weston is the reference implementation of a <wayland> compositor (display server), developed by the Wayland project. Packaged in Debian <testing>. http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ #wayland on irc.freenode.net.
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03:28<nocturnal>anyone here using weston yet? is it working well for you?
03:28<_spOOn_>nocturnal: about to give it a run :)
03:28<nocturnal>neat, I hope you let me know.
03:29<nocturnal>if you have problems
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03:42<ookla>hello everyone :)
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03:43<ookla>I'm getting this small msg error , "hostname: Name or service not known" as i type in #hostname -f , does anyone got a clue what to do here ?
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03:46<jm_>why do you want hostname -f to work?
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03:47<ookla>because when i installed debian it was working :P
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03:47<ookla>jm_,
03:48<ookla>i just changed my hostname and it stoped working jm_
03:48<ookla>;(
03:48<jm_>ookla: fix your /etc/hosts file
03:49<ookla>can you pastebin me yours plz ?
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03:49<jm_>no, there's little point in doing that
03:49<ookla>i have in mine "127.0.0.1 localhost"
03:49<jm_>what's your hostname then?
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03:50<ookla>verry tks
03:50<ookla>its working jm_
03:50<_spOOn_>ookla: set your hostname in /etc/hostname
03:50<ookla>its there allready
03:51<ookla>many thanks :))))
03:51<ookla>BTW, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/firmware-realtek
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03:51<ookla>i want to install this package what should i do ?
03:51*ookla tells everyone he is new to debian
03:51<jm_>!backports
03:51<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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03:52<jm_>visit the second URL for instructions
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03:52*ookla brb them
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03:55<kminor>hey guys...i feel like a fool...i had to buy a new machine for my old server....can't get my CD-ROM detected
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03:55<kminor>for the LIFE of me
03:56<jm_>does the bios detect it?
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03:56<kminor>yes, & ejects & all that...
03:56<kminor>Wait...the BIOS.... guess i'd have to check
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03:57<kminor>any other suggestions I'm sure it does dude.... i'll check
03:57<ookla>having a problem configuranting the mirrors :S
03:57<ookla>root@murtas:~# deb http://mirrors.fe.up.pt/debian-backports squeeze-backports(-sloppy) main
03:57<ookla>-su: syntax error near unexpected token `('
03:58<kminor>alright i'll check then brb....good idea
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03:59<jm_>wait, you're using squeeze?
04:00<ookla>im configuring both
04:00<ookla>Im trying to
04:01<ookla>why doesnt it work ?
04:01<ookla>it says unexpected token
04:02<jm_>you add that to the sources.list file, it's not a command, just like the web page says
04:02<ookla>oh
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04:03<gmarselis>anybody that uses dns to pass hints to kickstart about the OS, should be hung, drawn and quartered
04:04<gmarselis>and not in that order
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04:12<ookla>Portuguese mirror is down
04:12<ookla>:((((
04:15<ookla>for squeezy
04:16<ookla>trying weezy now
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04:18<ookla>wtf
04:18<ookla>i added a file named backports.list to "/etc/apt/sources.list.d/"
04:19<ookla>with the sentence 'deb http://mirrors.fe.up.pt.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports(-sloppy) main'
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04:19<ookla>something wrong here ?
04:19<valdyn>ookla: the parentheses?
04:19<jm_>(-sloppy) is optional
04:20<jm_>so you either have squeeze-backports or squeeze-backports-sloppy
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04:20<ookla>trying that way hold on a sec
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04:23<ookla>http://pastebin.com/z4a8CERf
04:23<ookla>take a look
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04:24<nocturnal>/usr/bin/newaliases exists on wheezy by default but am I correct in assuming that it does nothing? because there is no /etc/aliases.db
04:24<jm_>which part of Could not resolve 'mirrors.fe.up.pt.debian.org' is unclear?
04:24<ookla>its down isnt it ?
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04:24<ookla>jm_ :)
04:24<jm_>no you entered incorrect host into the file
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04:36<kminor>okay so SATA0 & SATA1 connections work, SATA 2 & 3 won't work period
04:37<kminor>The previous machine was 32-bit & also IDE/SATA, this one's only SATA.... only 2 SATA ports work with Debian
04:37<jm_>and you checked in bios that they are all enabled?
04:37<kminor>Im simply trying to BACKUP, boot drive, BACKUP drive, DVD rom
04:38<jm_>and bios detects it?
04:38<kminor>jm_: yeah they SATA0 & SATA1 detects all drives...so drives are good...plug them into SATA2 & 3....no go
04:38<kminor>work fine on CentOS & Ubuntu....not debian
04:39<kminor>same machines... don't know where to file the bug report
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04:40<jm_>kminor: I am not asking about debian, I am asking if your bios detects them
04:40<kminor>yes sir
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04:40<kminor>thanks for ur help btw sir
04:41<ookla>I dont undertand why in this website "http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/firmware-realtek " is says its sqeeze-backports , and the package it self is weezy :(
04:41<ookla>wheezy*
04:41<kminor>ookla: that's a backport....it's for 'squeeze' but made for wheezy...hence "BACK" port
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04:42<jm_>kminor: did you check what kernel reports for sata ports?
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04:43<kminor>jm_ : no, good idea
04:43<jm_>kminor: dmesg|grep ata
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04:54<kminor>jm_: Hey man I think u fixed it
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04:55<kminor>OH my gawd..... yeah man, you fixed it. you wanna know what it was?
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04:55<jm_>kminor: nope, not me
04:55<kminor>jm_ : you are the man....thank you my friend.... yep wasn't debian at all
04:55*kminor b0wz down to jm_
04:56<kminor>It was in this old BIOS down in the corner not even in the proper screen.....but yeah dude....the first thing you guessed was right
04:57<jm_>kminor: ok, no worries
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04:58<kminor>That's wierd these other machines don't have that setting in their BIOS...it's just not there...same ver too
04:58<kminor>Thanks man
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05:08<ookla>http://pastebin.com/zWHTfdM0 take a look plz
05:08<ookla>im trying to install firmware-realtek for my new dock wireless
05:10<jm_>!bat
05:10<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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05:11<txt-file>ookla: are you running squeeze or wheezy?
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05:14<ookla>txt-file, i have both configured
05:14<ookla>and i tryed with both
05:14<ookla>returns 0 results
05:14<ookla>im doing the paste !bat
05:14<ookla>sec
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05:17<ookla>Am i doing something wrong ?
05:18<ookla>in that search ..
05:18<ookla>next time i will use debian pastebin
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05:18<txt-file>please pastebin also you sources.list
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05:19<ookla>txt-file, how to do it ?
05:19<ookla>ah k
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05:20<ookla>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c7e54055/
05:20<txt-file>as I thought you are not using non-free
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05:21<ookla>can you help
05:21<ookla>?
05:21<ookla>!non-free
05:21<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
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05:21<ookla>this link ?
05:21<ookla>alioth links ?
05:21<txt-file>nope
05:22<txt-file>!tell ookla about non-free sources
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05:23<ookla>ok tks , how do i add them, ?:)
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05:23<def_>I tried to install "code-aster-engine" from sid to stable. In did not install correct. But now I can not remove it. I tried "dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq", no result.
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05:24<txt-file>a "aptitude purge code-aster-engine" should do it
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05:25<txt-file>ookla: open the file in a text editor with root rights and add "non-free" to the end of the deb-lines
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05:26<ookla>all right
05:26<kminor>heh, yeah I've done that. Always use debian sid over a side-ver....they killed my Viao...but made me pretty great at dependency resolutions :)
05:26<ookla>deb and deb-src ?
05:27<ookla>all of them with nonfree?
05:27<kminor>Debian SID has never broken anything
05:27<kminor>ookla: yes add it to your sources.list
05:27<ookla>Thank you kminor
05:27<def_>"aptitude purge code-aster-engine", no result
05:27<kminor>ookla: I'm just a dude like u hanging here....but yeah non-free i think is a license thing...is it?
05:28<txt-file>kminor: the problem is that some NIC do not work without the non-free firmware
05:29<kminor>ookla: pretty much i add: main contrib & non-free to every production server...but with SID there's even funner repo's
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05:30<babilen>def_: You should never mix stable with *anything* but backports. In particular you shouldn't mix releases as that will, eventually, break your system and you might end up in a situation in which you have to reinstall. If there is no official <backport> you might be able to create one yourself by following the instructions in <ssb> (/msg dpkg ssb)
05:31<babilen>kminor: Please don't advocate mixing stable with sid or running production systems on sid. The concept of "funner repo's" is not applicable in most cases and please bear the ramifications of your advice in here in mind.
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05:33<kminor>babilen: oh no yeah i'd never mix stable with anything...but he was asking "MAIN CONTRIB NON-FREE" in the sources.list
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05:33<kminor>that's pretty much standard
05:33<kminor>correct me if im wrong
05:33<ookla>txt-file, tks
05:33<ookla>txt-file, now aptitude update
05:34<ookla>To install this one , 'http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/firmware-realtek' is it with sqeezy or wheezy
05:34<ookla>squeezy*
05:34<babilen>kminor: It is certainly not a problem, but "but with SID there's even funner repo's" could be understood in the sense of "Well, if you were to add sid you will have even more fun". In particular after "Debian SID has never broken anything" -- Anyway, lets move on :)
05:34<ookla>its squeezy ? right
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05:35<kminor>babilen: I was saying it was okay to have "non-free" & what-not.. shouldnt be a problem
05:35<txt-file>ookla: depends if you are running sqeeze or wheezy
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05:35<ookla>i have both configured
05:35<babilen>ookla: There is no squeezy, there is squeeze and wheezy :_
05:35<kminor>babilen: I gotcha... sorry
05:35<txt-file>ookla: then use wheezy
05:35<ookla>i have both squeeze and wheezy
05:35<ookla>tks
05:36<themill>ookla: your machine cannot run both squeeze and wheezy. You probably should only be running wheezy
05:36<babilen>ookla: You have *both* configured? You should not mix releases like that and I would *strongly* recommend to upgrade the system to wheezy as detailed in the release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/index.en.html
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05:37<ookla>so
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05:38<kminor>ookla: Hey man did u know debian distro's are based off PIXAR's Toy Story movie? For example.... SID was the kid next door who broke all the toys.... so don't use that till later :).... stable changes....currently squeeze is old stable & wheey is current stable :)
05:38<ookla>i deleted the lines from squeezy
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05:38<ookla>how do i upgrade my system now to wheezy
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05:39<ookla>is just running apt-get upgrade ?
05:39<txt-file>read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/index.en.html … It is explained there
05:39<kminor>change the lines in ur sources.list "apt-get update" "apt-get upgrade" "apt-get dist-upgrade"
05:39<babilen>ookla: I just told you, follow the release notes that txt-file helpfully linked *again*
05:39<ookla>Awsome ! :) Thank you verry much
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05:39<ookla>im starting to like debian :P\
05:40<babilen>kminor: NO! It is not that easy and please point users to the release notes.
05:40<def_>Ok, my system is broken. I have backups. Maybe there is some text-file with list of installed or broken packages which I can edit?
05:40<kminor>babilen: that's what I did & it worked okay
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05:41<kminor>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrading-full
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05:41<def_>How the system remembers which packages are broken or had been installed?
05:41<kminor>that's for AMD64, i had to do this on 32-bit machines...it was pretty slick
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05:42<kminor>ookla: DONT listen to me btw...like i said..im just hanging out here
05:42<txt-file>def_: can you pastebin the output of these commands?
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05:42<ookla>kminor, all right let me note that down on a papper :P hehe
05:42<kminor>hehe
05:43<ookla>system is updated
05:43<ookla>wheezy machine:P
05:43<txt-file>kminor: then please stop spamming around or move it to #debian-offtopic
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05:43<ookla>i installed the realtek .deb file :) but my wireless dock isnt moving or ledding
05:43<ookla>also i got 3 warnings should i get worried about it ?
05:44<def_>It is on not-english. Some like "subprocess post-removal returned error 127"
05:44<ookla>its working tks
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05:44<ookla>i just had to unpluged and plugin
05:44<kminor>;)
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05:44<def_>/usr/sbin/update-codeaster-engines: not found
05:45<txt-file>def_: you can use "LOCALE=C" in front of a command to get english output
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05:50<ookla>brb reboot
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05:59<def_> "LOCALE=C" in front command has no result. "LANG=en" has some result but with warnings of setting locale was failed.
06:00<jm_>LANG=C ...
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06:02<def_>Removing code-aster-engine ... \n + CODEASTER_VERSION=STA11.3 \n + [ remove = purge ] \n + rm -f /usr/lib/codeaster/STA11.3 \n + rm -f /var/lib/codeaster/STA11.3 \n + /usr/sbin/update-codeaster-engines \n /var/lib/dpkg/info/code-aster-engine.postrm: 15: /var/lib/dpkg/info/code-aster-engine.postrm: /usr/sbin/update-codeaster-engines: not found \n dpkg: error processin
06:02<def_>g code-aster-engine (--purge): subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 127 \n Errors were encountered while processing: \n code-aster-engine \n E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) \n A package failed to install. Trying to recover:
06:02<babilen>def_: Please don't paste into the channel
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06:02<babilen>dpkg: tell def_ -about paste
06:03<jm_>at least (s)he replace \n with " \n " to spam us less :)
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06:04<txt-file>and this way (s)he does not get kicked
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06:15<ookla>hello again
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06:16<ookla>i installed the firmware from realtek after a reboot its gone the green led :(
06:16<ookla>i allready unpluged it and plugin it back but no sucess what can i do about it right away ?:P
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06:18<kminor>ookla: give me the make & model of ur card dude
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06:19<ookla>kminor, its a TP_LINK dock station black chipset rtl8192cu
06:19<ookla>model : TL WN8200ND
06:20<kminor>http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/rtl819x
06:20<kminor>ahhhh there we go
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06:21<ookla>but i think that is not the problem because i installed "usbview" and it gives me an error saying that , verify that you have USB compiled into the kernel , have the usb core modules loaded, and have the usbdevfs filesystem mounted. so my guess is that the last one is failing idk does
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06:22<ookla>but i have a usb keyb and mouse working :S
06:22<ookla>and webcam also
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06:22<ookla>where is the usbdevfs location?
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06:22<ookla>the path
06:22<kminor>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2151599 shows a debian setup
06:23<jm_>just use lsusb instead
06:23<ookla>proc / dev / usb / devices ... the default linux path ?!
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06:23<ookla>or is another one ?
06:23<kminor>yeah listen to jm_
06:23<kminor>he's the MAN
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06:24<kminor>that forum also shows it....but yeah looks like u gotta tricky one :)
06:24<ookla>im going to paste my dmesg
06:24<ookla>so you can help me in debuggin
06:25<kminor>jm_: you saved me man. Respekt.
06:25<ookla>http://paste.debian.net/79915/
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06:25<ookla>here it is
06:25<ookla>:)
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06:30<kminor>why all the server splits
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06:31<adri`>Hi, Is it safe to use MariaDB on Debian?
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06:33<kminor>adri`: Why wouldn't it be
06:33<jm_>!mariadb
06:33<dpkg>MariaDB is a community-developed fork of <MySQL>, intended to be a backward compatible drop-in replacement. Packaged in Debian <unstable>, packages from mariadb.org are not supported in #debian. http://mariadb.org/ #maria on irc.freenode.net.
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06:33<adri`>because it is not an official for debian
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06:34<ookla>re back
06:34<jm_>!tell ookla -about rtl8192cu
06:34<ookla>guys my wirless is up and running but doesnt make any scan
06:34<ookla>doesnt detected any networks
06:34<ookla>and if i type ifconfig wlan0 isnt shown
06:35<ookla>but ifconfig wlan0 show /s it
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06:35<ookla>resuming 'ifconfig' doesnt show my wlan0 interface but 'ifconfig wlan0' shows
06:35<ookla>why?
06:36<adri`>kminor: site of mariadb clearly shows that using ubuntu packages
06:36<kminor>Ookla: You should be okay unless you have the RT8190P PCI it says
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06:36<ookla>nop
06:36<kminor>adri`: Ubuntu is Debian....Ubuntu was completely built off Debian
06:36<ookla>its a dock station USB
06:36<adri`>ubuntu us a buggy debian :)
06:36<ookla>sucks ubuntu
06:36<ookla>i hate it
06:36<ookla>its chines crap
06:37<kminor>adri`: here i found something one sek
06:37<SynrG>please keep it civil, and on-topic. this is a support channel for debian, not bitch about other distros channel. tnx
06:37<SynrG>(see also #debian-offtopic)
06:38<vinnydelango>girls
06:38*akhil test
06:38<viscera>SynrG, that seems empty on this network (?)
06:38<diroots>any help possible on shorewall config here?
06:39<diroots>I have a shorewall on a host, managing a bridge for vservers. all vservers have public IPs, and are accessible online, I just have one problem, they don't communicate each others,... here's my config : http://paste.debian.net/79917 any idea please?
06:39<kminor>diroots: I get mad attacked all the time too :) hehehe
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06:39<SynrG>viscera: uh, no?
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06:39<SynrG>07:02 -!- Irssi: #debian-offtopic: Total of 123 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 123 normal]
06:39<diroots>kminor: ?
06:39<viscera>what the
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06:40<viscera>SynrG, do you see me in there?
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06:40<viscera>ohhhh
06:40<viscera>nevermind
06:40<viscera>hexchat included the close parenthesis
06:40<kminor>adri`: I got ur ANSWER!
06:40<kminor>dangit
06:40<viscera>(and my channel list column was too thin for me to see it)
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06:42<kminor>ookla: u get the msg :)
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06:45<Xizsz>Ajudam inicantes? rs
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06:45<jm_>!br Xizsz
06:45<dpkg>Xizsz: Este canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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06:51<kminor>jm_: how do u know portugeese man?! haha
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06:52<jm_>kminor: I don't
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06:55<kminor>jm_: I won't pretend to understand the scripting.... my knowledge on that is as old as ol' analoge phone cloning LOL ;)
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06:56<SynrG>pay attention to who said what. jm_ merely triggered the dpkg bot, which answered.
06:56<kminor>need to get on the up & up on my IRC'n tho...u guys never disappoint
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06:57<kminor>SynrG: hehe yeah i know man... still fun to get a response tho man :)... i got a 54 32-bit server backup going on...gotta bide my time :)
06:58<SynrG>ok. but #debian is for support, not a place to 'get a response'
06:58<kminor>right...im out
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07:49<yerba>Hello
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07:49<yerba>I'd like to run a debian server and sent it computation jobs to do,
07:49<yerba>e.g. file conversions
07:50<yerba>and it would add them to its queue and execute
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07:50<yerba>is there a debian package which can do that?
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07:52<TobiX>,v task-spooler
07:53<judd>Package: task-spooler on i386 -- wheezy: 0.7.3-1; jessie: 0.7.4-1; sid: 0.7.4-1
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07:53<TobiX>yerba: task-spooler sounds a lot like what you are looking for...
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07:55<swizgard>hey. possibly the wrong channel, but tar cfz'ing a folder with 300000 files each about 100 bytes large takes more than half an hour? (how long should i expect it to run?)
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07:56<txt-file>swizgard: depends very much on your hardware
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07:57<swizgard>txt-file: it's a magnetic harddrive. not the most recent hardware, but multicore, 64 bit
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07:58<swizgard>i mean, it's 40 mb in total
07:58<txt-file>I wonder if tar/gzip even use multicore
07:59<swizgard>probably not. but then, still...
07:59<swizgard>maybe i should have left the z
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08:00<txt-file>have you checked with top / iotop?
08:01<txt-file>or "ls -lh /path/to/output"
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08:15<Juhgu>Hi all ! I've little problem with my server.. :( I would like to join my server with his name server DNS and not with his IP address .. I have already configured my Server DNS to join serv-ocs.local but won't work.. Thanks :)
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08:20<swizgard>txt-file: taking the filesize as reference, it will be finished in about 1.5 hours
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08:20<txt-file>swizgard: with or without compression
08:20<swizgard>with
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08:21<Maulkin_>What errors are you getting?
08:21<Maulkin_>Ignore me.
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08:23<swizgard>txt-file: ok. i took the step, aborted the process, restarted without the "z" and now it is much faster
08:23<swizgard>who knew
08:24<txt-file>you can compress it after tar is finished ;-)
08:24<swizgard>yes
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08:25<swizgard>it's faster by about a factor of 1000
08:25<jm_>which compressor was in use?
08:26<swizgard>gzip
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08:28<jm_>I think I see about 10-20MB/s on Core i5 2500 (don't remember exact number now, I get 15MB/s on core i7-860) with gzip when backing up my ssd using partimage which uses gzip
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08:30<swizgard>jm_: this case is a bit special: about 300000 files all just 100 bytes each. so the filesystem/tarball overhead is actually bigger than the payload itself
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08:30<jm_>swizgard: yes, so that's why I am mentioning this - it doesn't sound as gzip itself would slow it down this much
08:31<swizgard>but it does
08:31<swizgard>by a factor of approx 1000
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08:32<jm_>maybe on a c64 :)
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08:32<ayaka>systemd doesn't include journalctl in debian now?
08:33<txt-file>(s)he said that it is multicore ;-)
08:33<jm_>i hope installs without using journalctl will be possible in debian
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08:33<swizgard>that's what (s)he said.
08:33<Maulkin_>ayaka: Seems to do so for me.
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08:35<ayaka>but why to do so?
08:35<jm_>well multicore doesn't matter as gzip doesn't use it, you'd want an alternative tool for that
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08:37<ookla>huhu
08:37<ookla>:)
08:37<ookla>GUYS! :) this is so wired .. my wireless dock station is plugin in led is green and doesnt scan any network :(
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08:38<ookla>i have another computer connected on windows and it shows the network :(
08:38<Known_problems> ia32-libs? debian jessie ?
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08:44<rham>hello
08:45<rham>I am getting lots of segfaults in libdbus
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08:45<rham>I'm trying to make use of libavahi-client
08:45<towo^work>Known_problems, And now let's try it with a whole set.
08:46<rham>http://paste.debian.net/79923/
08:46<rham>there does not appear to be -dbg packages for libdbus in Lenny
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08:47<rham>can anyone suggest how I might get to the bottom of these segfaults?
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08:47<txt-file>rham: yes … do not use lenny anymore
08:47<planetmaker>lenny is ... nearly pre-historic now :)
08:48<planetmaker>support for its successor nearly is about to expire
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08:49<ookla>can we se dinousaurs ?
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08:54<rham>txt-file: that's not an immediate option
08:54<rham>and it doens't help me much
08:54<rham>we're on Lenny
08:55<rham>I know it's old
08:55<rham>but I still have to get this code working
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08:55<Maulkin_>rham: And it's not supported anymore.
08:55<rham>can anybody suggest how I might be able to do that?
08:55<Known_problems>not against the list in the APT ia32-libs library
08:56<Maulkin_>rham: Probably not, unless you hire some external consultancy, unfortunatley.
08:56<rham>O_o
08:56<txt-file>maybe find the guys who wrote libdbus and ask them but I will not support lenny anymore
08:56<rham>so.. let me get this straight
08:56<rham>if I was getting an empty backtrace from the libdbus in wheezy, you'd help me
08:57<Known_problems>dpkg --add-architecture i386 ; apt-get update
08:57*dpkg gets an architect to start planning a new geary cathedral
08:57<rham>but because it's in lenny, you won't?
08:57<Maulkin_>rham: Your best bet is to upgrade to be honest. Perhaps we may be able to help with getting your current software working on Wheezy.
08:57<txt-file>rham: yes
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08:57<rham>but that's completely irrational
08:57<planetmaker>rham, there are many many things which changed. It might simply be a bug long solved
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08:57<txt-file>it is irrational to stop supporting old versions of software?
08:58<Known_problems>still does not list
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08:58<Maulkin_>rham: No it's not. All our test software and systems are set up for supporting stable. We can't help with somethign that old. For example, we could suggest you install the dbg package :)
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08:59<rham>planetmaker: how would you determine what the bug was?
08:59<rham>txt-file: it depends on what you mean by "support"
08:59<rham>Maulkin_: why can't you help with something that old?
08:59<planetmaker>rham, if you care, go through changelog of relevant projects
08:59<rham>Maulkin_: the problem is that there is no dbg package
09:00<themill>rham: we don't even have easy access to the lists of packages or what versions there were in lenny any more.
09:00<rham>planetmaker: what I mean is: assuming such a bug existed, how would it have been found?
09:00<planetmaker>like any bug... s/o found it, reported it and it was fixed...
09:01<rham>planetmaker: how was it fixed?
09:01<themill>rham: you can find that out just as easily as we can
09:01<rham>themill: find out what?
09:01<themill>[01:01] <rham> planetmaker: how was it fixed?
09:01<rham>themill: erm
09:01<rham>themill: we're talking about a hypothetical bug
09:02<planetmaker>and you refuse to test with current stable
09:02<themill>we're talking about concretely not supporting lenny.
09:02<rham>planetmaker: I haven't refused that
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09:02<rham>planetmaker: what I've done is asked how I can determine what is causing this segfault on lenny
09:03<themill>rham: you'd have to rebuild the relevant packages with debug symbols. It may or may not be a lot of work to do that depending on the package.
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09:03<rham>I see
09:03<rham>thank you
09:04*rham wonders why nobody said that before
09:04<themill>because upgrading to a stable and supported release is probably a better option
09:04<rham>themill: but I'd already explained that it isn't an immediate option
09:05<Maulkin_>This is getting rather off topic now. Can we drop this?
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09:05<txt-file>or at least move it to #debian-offtopic
09:06<ayaka>Maulkin, thanks
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09:09<ookla>how is possible not having /usr/src/linux folder ?
09:09<ookla>where is the kernel after all :P
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09:09<txt-file>ookla: in /boot
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09:09<txt-file>and /var/lib/modules/
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09:11<ookla>i'm used to gentoo
09:11<ookla>cd /usr/src/linux make menu config
09:11<ookla>how can i do it here?
09:12<blast007>ookla: is there something wrong with the stock kernel?
09:13<ookla>well my wireless dock station isnt working properly
09:13<ookla>i mean the led is on
09:13<SynrG>typically you don't need a kernel recompile just to support new hardware.
09:13<ookla>green but doesnt scan any network
09:13<txt-file>ookla: what kernel version are you using?
09:13<txt-file>also gentoo is a _source_ based distro which debian is not
09:13<ookla>txt-file, 3.2.0-4-amd64
09:13<SynrG>you either use a newer kernel (backports) or else build an out-of-tree module from a -dkms package, if it exists.
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09:14<SynrG>or else just build upstream's source out-of-tree if it doesn't.
09:14<txt-file>ookla: you could try 3.12 from the backports
09:14<ookla>its better
09:14<ookla>aight
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09:22<odla>hi, firefox isn't using gnome 3's gtk theme. what do i need to install to make it not look like windows 95?
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09:23<SynrG>iceweasel
09:23<odla>SynrG: misspoke. i mean iceweasel
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09:23<SynrG>which version?
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09:23<SynrG>,v iceweasel
09:23<judd>Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 17.0.10esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 17.0.10esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 24.2.0esr-1; sid: 24.2.0esr-1; experimental: 26.0-1
09:23<odla>24.2.0esr-1 in jessie
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09:25<SynrG>so, apparently even 26.0-1 uses gtk2
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09:25<ookla>guys i need to kow what means linux-image-3.12-"0.bpo.1"-amd64
09:25<ookla>bpo.1 means?
09:25<SynrG>odla: what gtk2-engines* do you have installed?
09:25<themill>dpkg: tell ookla about kernel abi
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09:26<odla>ookla: backports
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09:26<odla>SynrG: apparently just one called gtk2-engines. version: 2.20.2-3
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09:28<SynrG>you might like one of the others?
09:28*SynrG shrugs
09:28<SynrG>anyway, see #debian-next for jessie support.
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09:30<odla>SynrG: ok ... install murrine engines didn't help fyi.
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09:31<ookla>guys, i maybe install squeeze (oldstable) (debian-installer): Linux kernel binary image for the Debian installer
09:31<ookla>1.76+squeeze9: amd64
09:31<ookla>im running amd64
09:31<ookla>its old but stable
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09:33<nocturnal>SirVictory: https://github.com/nemasu/asmttpd =)
09:33<txt-file>ookla: and unsuppord in a couple of months
09:33<nocturnal>thinking about you looking for a lightweight fast web server, I just found this one written in assembler.
09:33<ookla>what is yyour adivce
09:34<ookla>txt-file, what is your advice for me ? what kernel should i pick
09:34<txt-file>ookla: that you tell us your problem and why you want to go back to squeeze
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09:36<ookla>sorry mate my bad
09:36<ookla>i didnt the wrong search
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09:37<ookla>well why update if this one is working :P
09:38<txt-file>I thought that you are already on wheezy?
09:38<ookla>as i read the forum, they say at a certain time that quote " Ah. I did not know that. For Wheezy stable, it will always be at v3.2.0.
09:38<ookla>ant
09:38<ookla>
09:38<ookla> Posts: 152
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09:39<ookla>sorry for the output
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09:43<txt-file>ookla: use a pastebin service
09:44<SynrG>preferably not pastebin.com (paste.debian.net is good)
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09:49<kong>hello
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09:57<ookla>im not sure wich kernel to install
09:57<ookla>i just want recent stable compatible with amd and ati cards
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09:58<ookla>txt-file, can you sugest me a good kernel?
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09:59<sreyan32>Can someone tell me why the live version of Debian cannot boot in UEFi ?
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09:59<sreyan32>I mean it seems Debian is not interested in EFi
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10:00<sreyan32>atleast with Ubuntu I can boot EFi
10:00<txt-file>ookla: 3.12 from wheezy backports
10:00<ookla>give me the link txt-file
10:00<ookla>plz
10:00<ookla>so i can relook better
10:00<txt-file>!backports
10:00<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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10:01<sreyan32>Even the recent version of Debian Live can't boot from EFi. Why ?????
10:01<Maulkin>sreyan32: Please calm down... try #debian-live
10:01<sreyan32>okay
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10:02<nocturnal>most modern computers can switch to BIOS boot mode
10:02<nocturnal>so there is no reason yet for Debian to adapt to EFI boot.
10:02<nocturnal>imo at least
10:03<nocturnal>I don't represent the devs
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10:04<Arrowmaster>debian supports EFI fine, its probably only the live cd which doesnt yet and thats separate from the main release media
10:04<txt-file>(s)he already left
10:05<Arrowmaster>was responding to nocturnal
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10:05<nocturnal>by default though debian requires an extra partition to use EFI boot
10:05<txt-file>oh … kk
10:05<nocturnal>so it supports it but not by default
10:05<Rehnquist>i'm really missing some stuff in mate or gnome terminal, such as select for copy and right click for paste - the way windows putty does it.
10:05<Arrowmaster>the installer creates it automatically
10:05<Rehnquist>is there any way i can do this?
10:05<nocturnal>Arrowmaster: I installed wheezy and I got no EFI partition created.
10:06<Arrowmaster>i got two created
10:06<Arrowmaster>wait let me double check
10:06<nocturnal>huh, well maybe I missed something. none of my wheezys get any type of EFI and they still use MBR partition table.
10:06<jepler>On Feb 1. I e-mailed 728446@bugs.debian.org but my comment (which included a patch) hasn't appeared at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=728446 yet. On my end, I verified that the e-mail was accepted by buxtehude.debian.org. What should I do now -- resubmit the message, be patient, contact someone else?
10:07<Arrowmaster>no sda1 is /boot/efi and sda2 is /boot
10:07<jepler>I've previously commented on debian bugs without trouble
10:07<Arrowmaster>nocturnal: did you boot the install media in EFI mode?
10:07<nocturnal>Arrowmaster: no, I wish I had known about that.
10:08<Arrowmaster>yeah i booted the install media in EFI mode and it created the EFI partition and installed grub-efi
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10:08<rudi_s>jepler: I'd just resent it. If that fails, write to the BTS people.
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10:09<jepler>rudi_s: OK, I'll do that
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10:13<jepler>rudi_s: I can start the message this way, right?
10:13<jepler>tags -1 + patch
10:13<jepler>thanks
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10:16<Octav>rajslats: Are you? :)
10:17<yerba>TobiX: thanks
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10:19<Octav>Anyone from here, know a good registrar for .eu and it accept to bind domain to my debian server?
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10:19<sreyan32>what is the shortcut for opening the terminal in Debian 7.2 live ???
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10:19<txt-file>Octav: I do not know if you consider them good but I am at schlundtechnology
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10:20<Octav>txt-file: Thanks :)
10:21<Fenhl>hello. I'm wondering, what's the difference between sid and experimental?
10:21<Maulkin>!sid
10:21<dpkg>methinks sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
10:21<Maulkin>!experimental
10:21<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/
10:21<Octav>But, godaddy is trust? I hear last night about an conflict ...
10:21<Maulkin>Fenhl: And also both not supported here :)
10:21<Maulkin>Octav: I use gandi.
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10:22<Maulkin>Fenhl: Basically, don't use experimental, ever.
10:22<sreyan32>hey whats the shortcut for opening the terminal in Debian ? I cant access the terminal
10:22<Octav>Maulkin: Thank you :)
10:22<Maulkin>sreyan32: Which desktop are you running?
10:22<Fenhl>Maulkin: I run stable on everything, I'm just interested in the development process
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10:23<txt-file>Octav: lets move this to #debian-offtopic because it is not really a debian support problem
10:23<sreyan32>Maulkin: Gnome. I am using Debian 7.2 Live
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10:23<Maulkin>sreyan32: press the "windows" key, or click on "Activities" on the top left
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10:23<Octav>txt-file: Ok thank you :) And sorry for off-topic ...
10:24<Maulkin>Fenhl: Probably best for #debian-offtopic, but basically see 4.6.4.3 of the developers reference.
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10:24<Maulkin>Fenhl: It's stuff that the maintainers consider broken/dangerous/unreliable etc
10:24<sreyan32>Maulkin: Thanks I found. It was in Accessories. Btw is there a shorcut for accessing the terminal like Ctrl+Alt+T ???
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10:26<Maulkin>sreyan32: yes: http://who-t.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/starting-terminal-in-gnome3.html
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10:27<sreyan32>Maulkin: How do I view my partitons on my disk. fdisk, gdisk and parted and not there. What do I use ?
10:27<sreyan32>Maulkin: Thanks for the link.
10:27<Maulkin>sreyan32: cfdisk?
10:27<txt-file>sreyan32: install one of these programs
10:28<Maulkin>I'm not sure what's installed in the live system by default
10:28<phacele55>i use gparted
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10:29<rudi_s>jepler: Yes. But I'm not sure if you need to add control@bugs.debian.org or not.
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10:29<rudi_s>*to CC
10:30<sreyan32>Maulkin: cfdisk is also not there. Nothing like gdisk, fdisk, gparted, or parted ?
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10:30<jepler>rudi_s: hmm, I didn't do that. Probably it was necessary.
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10:31<jepler>I still don't have much experience with the bts
10:31<rudi_s>jepler: If you forget it, the only thin missing will be the patch tag.
10:31<jepler>I can always send the message to control@ later, once my comment appears
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10:31<rudi_s>Exactly.
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10:31<anurag>freenode has crashed ..... :(
10:31<jepler>anurag: yeah, freenode has been in pretty sad shape for at least 12h
10:31<anurag>why ??
10:32<Fenhl>they're being DDoS'd
10:32<anurag>DDos
10:32<anurag>XD
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10:32<Fenhl>also it's been at least 24h
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10:32<anurag>pretty bad
10:33<phacele55>been in bad shape since at least 10 a.m. my time, it's now midnight
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10:33<Fenhl>it wasn't as noticeable in the first couple hours, looks like it's getting worse over time
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10:34<Fenhl>sometimes it's nice that not everything is on the same IRC network
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10:35<nocturnal>is there some package for debian that can somehow tell me if my kernel has been upgraded and I need to reboot?
10:35<anurag>btw Fenhl what is the purpose of this channel , i am new to debian servers
10:35<phacele55>fehl: i guess but it's causing channels to split all over
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10:38<Maulkin>nocturnal: Hrm... it's a bit complex, but something like:
10:39<phacele55>nocturnal : are you using a package manager?
10:39<abrotman>the unattended-upgrades package does this I think
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10:40<phacele55>if he is using package manager it'll restart automatically all needed utilities
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10:42<Maulkin>nocturnal: CURRENT = `uname -a | cut -d " " -f 7`; DEP = `apt-cache show linux-image-amd64| grep Dep| cut -d " " -f 2`; KERNEL = `apt-cache show $DEP | grep Ver | cut -d " " -f 2"; dpkg --compare-versions $CURRENT = $KERN || echo "New kernel"
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10:44<nocturnal>Maulkin: I asked because if the answer would be no I would write a script for it.
10:44<nocturnal>but good to check if the wheel has been invented first
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10:45<nocturnal>thanks abrotman !
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10:45<nocturnal>that's even the purpose, setting up unattended upgrades.
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10:47<phacele55>can you pass variables to dpkg?
10:47<Maulkin>nocturnal: Generally, telling us what you're trying to do produces better answers :)
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10:48<ookla>is this correct to grab net from my router , " dhcpcd wlna0"
10:48<ookla>wlan0*
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10:48<phacele55>i always use ./configure so i've never tried dpkg, but was wondering if it's possible to pass it an argument like --disable-plugin
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10:50<jepler>ookla: debian provides ifup/ifdown which reads from /etc/network/interfaces. so after configuration of /etc/network/interfaces, ifup wlan0 as root
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10:51<ookla>and i am connected?
10:51<ookla>tks
10:51<ookla>i ll try
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10:51<jepler>it's unusual to run the individual commands to connect to wireless, because it typically involves several steps. associating with the access point, obtaining address via dhcp, etc
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10:52<jhutchins_wk>ANybody else having trouble with freenode this morning?
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10:52<Maulkin>It's down.
10:52<jepler>jhutchins_wk: yeah, Fenhl says they are being DDoS'd
10:52<jhutchins_wk>Ah, fun.
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10:52<jepler>jhutchins_wk: I'm not aware of any "official announcement" of this, but anurag and I have both experienced connectivity problems
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10:53<jhutchins_wk>Thanks for the confirmation then.
10:53<jhutchins_wk>I lost my server window and one of the channels, couldn't connect when I restarted.
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10:53<abrotman>jhutchins_wk: You were k-lined? :)
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10:53<abrotman>jhutchins_wk: their twitter account says it's a DDoS, it's not just you
10:53<Fenhl>jhutchins_wk, jepler: https://twitter.com/freenodestaff/status/430272930078273536
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10:54<phacele55>freenode has been ddos's all day
10:54<jepler>twitter? no wonder I didn't find it.
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10:55<ookla>what is iface
10:55<ookla>?
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10:57<jepler>ookla: It is the physical or logical name of a network interface. If 'ifconfig' shows your interface is wlan0, then you would write a section for 'iface wlan0'
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10:58<ookla>i am having loads of "DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5" it just change the interval number is it normal ?
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10:59<jepler>huh, to my surprise and dismay, the configuration values for wireless don't seem to be documented in the manpage. for unsecured networks: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line ; read further down for secured networks
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11:01<jepler>if you didn't include the wireless- or wpa- lines then it wouldn't have associated with any wireless network, and it would be unable to communicate with the dhcp server
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12:26<david89>Hello. Where should I modify $PATH?
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12:31<ookla>huhu
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12:31<ookla>can someone take a look at , http://paste.debian.net/79960/
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12:33<ookla>Thanks in advanced.
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12:36<musca>!rtl8192cu
12:36<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8188CUS and RTL8192CU are USB 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192cu) is in mainline since Linux 2.6.39. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. A problem preventing reassociation on Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" systems was fixed at the <7.1> point release (bug #661860). Not to be confused with the <rtl8192su> driver. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
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12:41<ookla>tks m8 im taking a look right now
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12:44<dduvnjak>something is sending large amounts of outgoing traffic from my server. how would I find the process responsible?
12:44<pero>dduvnjak: nethogs
12:44<Maulkin>iptraf?
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12:46<petn-randall>dduvnjak: iftop
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12:48<dduvnjak>thanks all
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12:48<dduvnjak>in nethogs, in the PROGRAM column i see a lot of IP addresses
12:49<dduvnjak>is that strange/suspicios?
12:49<petn-randall>dduvnjak: Depends on what programs you're running and what you expect.
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12:51<dduvnjak>just thought it was strange that the program column contains process names AND ip addresses
12:52<dduvnjak>also, the PID in those rows is 0
12:53<ookla>brb
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13:11<Guest1068>Salut Tous le monde, ma 1er utilisation de Lynux.
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13:11<Maulkin>!fr
13:11<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
13:12<usrnix>Anyone know if ftp.uk.debian.org is being slow? long connection times for me right now
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13:13<Maulkin>Yeah, seems to be taking a while.
13:13<petn-randall>dduvnjak: with iftop you will have two ip:port tuples for each connection. Figure out which IP address is yours, then write down the port to it and find it with 'netstat -anp' or 'netstat -npl'. It will then show you the process id and name to to that connection.
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13:13<dduvnjak>thanks
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13:14<Maulkin>usrnix: prodded the admin
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13:14<Maulkin>usrnix: stand by :)
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13:16<petn-randall>Maulkin: He's unleashing the datacentre wolves to maul the slowest drives of the RAID?
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13:17<Maulkin>petn-randall: io of rsync combatting a stripe check or something
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13:21<krofek_>jesus
13:22<krofek_>on every fucking channel
13:22<krofek_>...
13:22<krofek_>third channel he did that on
13:22<RageRiot>lol
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13:22<zerick>what the ...
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13:23<badiane>what is that? I see my ID, in the list?
13:23<Maulkin>Dealt with.
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13:23<Maulkin>Nothing to see here.
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13:24<plantigrade>yet another bored 14 years old ... or an autokick test for the bot
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13:33<david89>Where would be the best place to set the PATH?
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13:39<ookla>huhu, how do i disable all modules starting with rtl8192 ?
13:41<ookla>mmmmmm
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13:41<towo`>why you would do that?
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13:42<ookla>i need to
13:42<towo`>why?
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13:42<towo`>modules gets only load, if the hardware is there
13:42<ookla>but i have more them 1 module
13:43<towo`>ookla, and if you realy will do that, blacklist them
13:43<ookla>for the same device
13:43<ookla>how ok
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13:46<ubuntu-studio>is this the irc room for ubuntu studio???
13:46<mgv>ubuntu-studio: nope
13:46<ubuntu-studio>ok thanks
13:46<mgv>!ubuntu studio
13:46<dpkg>studio: Please take your Ubuntu question to #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net as they are able to help you much better with Ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian, #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced Ubuntu users.
13:49<ubuntu-studio>debian is good i use Kali some times its a great os but today is ubuntu studio day. ya'll have a good day.
13:50<ompaul>!kali
13:50<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
13:51<ompaul>so I guess you don't use debian just stuff that is not the same name or distro ...
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13:54<iXeno>How can I find out if I'm running in EFI mode or not within a running instance?
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13:58<Guest1077>hii
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13:59<trico>iXeno: http://askubuntu.com/questions/162564/how-can-i-tell-if-my-system-was-booted-as-efi-uefi-or-bios
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14:00<fran>jygkh
14:01<fran>que foi ouuu
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14:02<iXeno>trico: thanks, it seems I'm running EFI... apparantly, the macbook not sounding like an airplane is also a good indication of that
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14:03<iXeno>in BIOS mode it uses the Radeon for all gfx and not only 3D accelerated stuff
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14:17<kardan>is there a way to change the currency in Eqonomize?
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14:20<kardan>it looks nice but with $ its useless for me.
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14:22<nocturnal>tried changing it in your desktop environment?
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14:24<kardan>good point, will try on next login
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14:56<pippo>!list
14:56<dpkg>pippo: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più.
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15:04<Tarax>Is there any extensive step-by-step guide for installing Debian with only 'command line' to full DE?
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15:05<RanZo>Bonjour
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15:05<sney>!tell Tarax about ig
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16:04<scientes>E: Release file for http://cdn.debian.net/debian/dists/sid/InRelease is expired (invalid since 6h 14min 31s). Updates for this repository will not be applied.
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16:25<viniz>hola que tal ya se que este canal es de debian pero una pregunta alguien ha probado el ubuntu phone
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16:28<devil>!es
16:28<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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16:29<me>does anyone know of a good VPS service that would let me install my own copy of debian?
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16:33<eitzei>Tilaa.nl and DigitalOcean for example
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16:35<otherflow>hi, i trying to debug icewseal with GDB and iceweasel-dbg package, but when i start my debugging session no symbol seams to be load : "Reading symbols from /usr/bin/iceweasel...(no debugging symbols found)...done.", anyone can help me ?
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16:41<davetesc>havind trouble with recent grub update help needed
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16:42<sney>davetesc: what kind of trouble
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16:42<davetesc>sney, recent upgrade to v.2.00-22 testing killedmy bootloader
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16:43<davetesc>sney, obvously back up and running but want to fix
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16:43<sney>davetesc: first, testing support goes to #debian-next so please join me there
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16:59<kardan>is there something I should do about this message or is it harmless: "pam_mklocaluser[12857]: pam_close_session: User not known to the underlying authentication module"
16:59<valdyn>otherflow: works fine, maybe iceweasel-dbg is not really installed
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17:10<otherflow>valdyn, hum... it's freakish. dpkg output show it installed and there is a iceweasel-gdb folder in /usr/share
17:10<otherflow>iceweasel-gdb
17:10<otherflow>iceweasel-dbg
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17:10<otherflow>sorry
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17:33<mahollowspe>hey Im in putty and an am in crontab sttings?! it says ^X exit but if I exit will it save? using debian FYI
17:34<soundconjurer>I have two major problems with Debian 1) Wifi keeps dropping and won't reconnect (I have poured through forums, and sites looking for a solution). 2) The Software Updater application really doesn't work. You need to use terminal or synaptic to update the system.
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17:34<sney>mahollowspe: assuming that's nano, yes, if you hit ctrl-x it'll ask you to save changes. ctrl-o also saves
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17:35<mahollowspe>thanks
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17:36<soundconjurer>If anyone could be of service, I'd really appreciate it :D.
17:38<Mongo44>I downloaded an iso yesterday and it took hours. This morning I found out my VM has less than 1 GB of space left out of over 20. What went wrong?
17:38<mahollowspe>ok I hit yes now it says: 'file name to write: tmp/crontab.PTzkX7/contrab' what do I do?
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17:44<Mongo44>It appears the ISO is over 21 GB. what's up with that?
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17:45<petemc>Mongo44: did you download the bluray?
17:45<Mongo44>Nope DVD.
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17:45<Mongo44>I was using Jigdo. Are you familiar with this program?
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17:46<oldlaptop>you sure you didn't fat-finger the BD option or something? :P
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17:47<Mongo44>I will try to find the site I downloaded from.
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17:48<mahollowspe>thanks for the help so far. I have one more question. I am trying to copy a file into a directory on my server via FTP but im getting access denied. how do I gain write priv? thanks again
17:48<Mongo44>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/i386/jigdo-dvd/
17:49<Mongo44>I downloaded all the jigdo and template files. 1 through 10.
17:51<Mongo44>I guess I should probably delete the files.
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17:52<Mongo44>It says I have 4.1 KB left out of 23.3 GB.
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17:53<Mongo44>How do I do this properly?
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18:01<k-man>i run apt-cacher-ng, which mostly works well, but frequently gets some kind of problem with the index files and then emails me via cron to tell me about it. is there some way I can get it to just fix it itself and stop pestering me about it?
18:02<devil>hehe
18:03<devil>the index gets corrupted ever once in a while. I had better experience with approx
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18:04<k-man>ok, i'll check that one out thanks devil
18:05<k-man>i tried out the squid based one a while ago but couldn't get it to work on wheezy
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18:09<kardan>is there something I should do about this message or is it harmless: "pam_mklocaluser[12857]: pam_close_session: User not known to the underlying authentication module"
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18:16<kardan>it happens when a su session from root shell into postgres user is closed
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18:30<k-man>problem with approx is you have to hand configure the sources.list files on each host
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18:31<k-man>i like the squid-deb-proxy approach in that requires only installing the squid-deb-proxy-client package on each machine
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18:54<scientes>cdn.debian.net is giving me 404 errors
18:54<scientes>with package lists i just downloaded
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19:12<esaym153>what is a good tool to test UDP packet throughput and packetloss over a link?
19:12<guille>hola a todos
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19:13<guille>es m primera ves con este sistema
19:14<guille>alguien me tira una alluda
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19:14<guille>alguien habla español ?
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19:17<dualbus>!es
19:17<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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19:19<James_T>esaym153: mtr?
19:19<James_T>esaym153: that's all i can think of
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19:19<James_T>mtr-tiny if you don't want the gtk gui
19:20<dxld>esaym153: iperf?
19:20<esaym153>dxld: I think it is iperf that I might be thinking of... reading
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19:21<dxld>i did never like it much because you need to fiddle with the parameters to get propper readings but it gives you some rough figures i guess
19:22<dxld>but i can't think of anything else either ;)
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20:07<soundconjurer>The Gnome Package Manager in Debian... doesn't work at all.
20:08<soundconjurer>It won't check for new updates... only displays them only after doing an apt-get update.
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20:15<Devastatr>are there any variables available to use in if-pre-up.d, if-up.d, if-down.d, if-post-down.d scripts?
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20:16<kardan>so many question and so few answers ..
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20:18<themill>Devastatr: yes, see interfaces(5)
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20:24<Devastatr>themill thanks! can you help me with just one more little thing? how do I list environment variables like IF_ interfaces(5) mentions?
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20:28<themill>Devastatr: "env | grep ^IF_" in your script should spit them all out, I guess.
20:28<jcress>I have a fresh install of bodhi. when I try to run python with /usr/bin/python I get an ImportError: No module named site
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20:29<themill>Devastatr: #bash on freenode might have a nicer way of doing that assuming you're using bash here. (in perl or python you could walk through the relevant dict)
20:29<Devastatr>themill yes I am
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20:48<Devastator>here is a pastebin with iface options: http://codepad.org/mtp01PMQ and at line #48 it says that "options given in an interface definition stanza are exported to the environment in upper case with "IF_"", does this means options defined into /etc/network/interfaces? like address, network, netmask etc
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20:54<Devastator>also, should typos be reported as bugs? or better yet, be reported at all
20:56<sney>documentation typos? yes, report with patch
20:57<Devastator>yes, but I don't know how to patch so I will leave for someone else hehe
20:57<Devastator>I'm guessing you saw it too
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21:10<lostson>not sold on the shell yet though
21:11<lostson>tried editing those tags in easytag and not working there either
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21:12<Devastator>themill do you happen to be here yet? no rush, but if you can, ping me when available
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21:19<babilen>Devastator: It is typically much appreciated if you could tell people what you want rather than just "pinging" them unconditionally :D
21:20<Devastator>babilen sorry for that, I really thought a bunch of times before writing him this hehe
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21:21<Devastator>babilen I'm trying to understand the sentence at line #48 of my paste, I don't know if you saw
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21:28<mahollowspe>anyone know the command to gain write permission?
21:28<mahollowspe>in putty
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21:29<Devastator>chmod +w file?
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21:31<mahollowspe>so I type 'chmod +w' then type the directory?
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21:32<valmis>yeah
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21:34<mahollowspe>hmm so I typle 'chmod +w usr/local/bin' and I an still unable to copy a file to that directory via FTP
21:34<sney>why would you want to do that
21:35<mahollowspe>I needed to create a config file and put it in that location for an RSS script
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21:35<mahollowspe>im still getting access dinied
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21:38<Devastator>are you root?
21:39<mahollowspe>yes
21:39<valmis>mmmm
21:39<Devastator>if you want you could try installing ssh server and use scp to transfer
21:40<Devastator>or either copy to some /home then move through shell
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21:40<mahollowspe>so copy to /home than how do I move though shell?
21:43<Devastator>cp? mv?
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21:45<wmorri>Hi Can I get pointed in the direction for the source for this package: firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
21:46<mahollowspe>so this is strange. I am unable to upload the file to any directory. all I get is 'unable to transfer:this is mostly due to insufficient permissions'
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21:47<themill>Devastator: I've never played with this, but I'd assume that anything pertaining to that interface in /e/n/interfaces ends up in an IF_ variable. My suggestion would be to try it and see :) a call to "env > /tmp/foo" is pretty easy to include in a script so you can find out.
21:47<sney>config files going in /usr/local/bin, mercy
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21:47<gsimmons>judd: src firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
21:47<judd>Package firmware-b43-lpphy-installer in wheezy -- source: b43-fwcutter
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21:49<Devastator>themill I've configured an interface as inet static, rebooted and typed env, no IF_* at all, do you think it is ok to ask this question to andrewsh, maintainer of ifupdown in #debian-mentors?
21:49<Devastator>nevermind, I guess mailing list is better, right?
21:49<themill>here or the debian-user mailing list (not d-mentors)
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21:51<Devastator>themill ok
21:52<Devastator>themill I appreciate your help
21:52<Devastator>and of course, sorry to bother with the ping thing :)
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22:02<tidux> Release file for http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/dists/sid/InRelease is expired (invalid since 12h 11min 14s). Updates for this repository will not be applied.
22:02<tidux>help please
22:02<themill>looks like that mirror isn't updating properly. again.
22:02<themill>dpkg: tell tidux about http.debian.net
22:03<tidux>uchicago.edu has the same problem
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22:03<tidux>alright, that debian.net mirror is working, thanks
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22:19<Devastator>a-ha, finally some light hehe
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22:57<Devastator>damn, I'm so close
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22:58<Devastator>is debian-user mailing list the right place for a feature suggestion of a package?
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22:59*scientes_ needs a faster computer
22:59<dondelelcaro>Devastator: no, just submit a bug report with severity wishlist
22:59<dondelelcaro>Devastator: ideally with a patch
23:00<Devastator>dondelelcaro ok, is there a guide on how to patch a debian package?
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23:00<themill>dpkg: tell Devastator about package recompile
23:01<themill>Devastator: you do your extra fiddling about in the middle section there
23:01<Devastator>themill thank you!
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23:02<Devastator>themill as it is a new feature and ifupdown changed a lot since wheezy, I'm guessing I will have to backport it first to wheezy, then work on it?!
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23:02<themill>sounds
23:02<themill>fun.
23:02<Devastator>heheh
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23:03<themill>(working in a VM might be easier)
23:03*Devastator prays to see judd saying "satisfiable dependencies"
23:03<Devastator>it will be a lot more fun when the patch get rejected :)
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23:04<Devastator>oh yeah! <judd> Backporting package ifupdown in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy.
23:05<Devastator>let the fun begins
23:05<themill>satisfiable build-deps isn't the same as a working backport, of course
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23:06<Devastator>:( heheh
23:07*Devastator wonders why he knows that, personal experience perhaps?! I bet!
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23:18<octocpp>Wht the heck, is freenode totally down?
23:19<octocpp>I cant find any servers that work for me
23:19<sney>it's up, it's just been the target of some script kiddies lately
23:19<sney>I seem to be connected to morgan.freenode.net
23:19<octocpp>any recommened servers to get in through?
23:19<themill>chat.freenode.net
23:19<octocpp>k, Ill try
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23:19<octocpp>what ports work on them?
23:20<themill>http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
23:20<James_T>:)
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23:20<James_T>Sne
23:20<octocpp>cool thanks, Im in :)
23:21<James_T>sney: even oftc got hit
23:21<James_T>so yeah
23:21<sney>yeah I know but not as badly
23:21<James_T>mmn
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23:31<Devastator>yeah, I little more complicated than I thought, but it's doable
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23:39<Devastator>themill if you were trying to patch this code, would you create a new setlocalenv function or a condition in current setlocalenv? http://codepad.org/ao9KhKIO
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23:40<Devastator>themill I'm trying to add a parameter to IF_ , but setlocalenv function limits to 3 parameters
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23:59<Frank_Jameso>was compiz taken out of backports? and if so is there still an advisable way to obtain compiz through a repository on wheezy
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