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---Logopened Tue Feb 04 00:00:05 2014
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00:00<themill>!compiz
00:00<dpkg>Compiz was a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. Compiz hasn't been developed for some time and is no longer part of Debian (see bugs #719870 and #677864). Plenty of other window managers have the same features as compiz. For a list of available window managers, run «apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager». See also http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/ or #compiz on irc.freenode.net.
00:03<Frank_Jameso>this saddens me for nostalgic reasons that shouldn't trouble most people, heh.
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00:15<Radon_3>good morning everybody, I am getting this error that says something about something being wrong with the signature of some files when I run 'apt-get update' and then I am not able to update my debian system
00:15<Devastator>I'm guessing you need an updated debian-keyring
00:15<Radon_3>what could I do to solve this problem?
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00:16<Radon_3>Devastator: how can I get that?
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00:17<Devastator>Radon_3 first check if you have it installed: aptitude search debian-keyring
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00:25<Frank_Jameso>if opinion based questions aren't ok please disregard, but does anyone have a favorite window manager or recommendation for someone that liked compiz?
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00:29<Radon_3>Frank_Jameso: I personally enjoy xfce very much, but not everyone has the same taste.
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00:30<Frank_Jameso>Radon_3: that's what I'm trying at the moment, but it's not quite there. I might stick with it if I have trouble with Awesome
00:30<Radon_3>I occasionally use the default debian gnome-classic too
00:30<SamB>Frank_Jameso: asking for a recommendation for something to use instead of compiz certainly doesn't sound off-topc
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00:37<Frank_Jameso>well, thanks for the advice, I'll probably be back in a while, giving awesome a chance
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01:13<nova>how is everyone tonight?
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01:56<Fidgett>please help - i am STILL working on my 1st two debian installs [ dual-boot] and attempting to create a custom grub file. and
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01:57<Fidgett>i accidentally created a file w/ a .py extention. how can i delete. must i add srm fron synaptic?
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02:01<jm_>delete what?
02:01<Fidgett>i did - it is gone...
02:01<Fidgett>just answered my own ? and did it.
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02:02<Fidgett>i need a grubMaster.
02:02<Fidgett>any FDE-Dual-Booting Ninjas around?
02:03<jm_>even if you find one they won't be able to read your mind I presume
02:03<Fidgett>:)
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02:06<jm_>so explain the issue in more details
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03:13<nocturnal>/etc/profile.d/path.sh is this a global path for all bash sessions or are there rules?
03:14<nocturnal>like only for interactive sessions, or maybe just for dash/sh
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03:15<nocturnal>nevermind I see in /etc/profile that it's sourcing them
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03:28<HRH_H_Cr1b>hi, does anyone know how to login to apt-cacher-ng as admin? ive figured out how to set the password but not how to use it.
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03:32<zw>Hi
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03:32<zw>0 * * * * is every minute nu ?
03:32<zw>no ?
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03:33<nocturnal>every minute is all *
03:33<nocturnal>0 is first minute
03:33<zw>nocturnal: from ?
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03:33<zw>so every firs minute of an hour ?
03:33<nocturnal>yes
03:34<nocturnal>you can also use @hourly macro
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04:36<rham>how can I build a binary package with debugging symbols intact?
04:37<rham>there don't seem to be any instructions in debian/rules dictating that binaries be stripped
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04:42<jm_>which package?
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04:44<rham>the source is "dbus-1.2.1"
04:44<rham>it's the source for libdbus-1-3
04:45<rham>jm_: is there not a generalised way to prevent stripping?
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04:46<Octav>Hi, someone know why my debian when I isntall GRUB i get install grub on /dev/sdb
04:46<Octav>install grub on /dev/sdb error*
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04:47<jm_>rham: how about this in the rules file -- override_dh_strip:\ndh_strip --dbg-package=dbus-1-dbg - it seems to me it already builds -dbg package
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04:47<jm_>Octav: how exactly do you imagine someone can know that?
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04:49<Octav>jm_ I don't understand
04:49<jm_>Octav: we need more information if you want to get some help ...
04:54<jm_>yeah there's also dbus-1-dbg package in the repository
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05:00<Octav>jm_: I installed DEBIAN and when it want to install GRUB it say install grub on /dev/sdb or something like that
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05:01<jm_>Octav: and?
05:01<Octav>jm_: Ah, it is ... I can't install it, but I can continue installation ...
05:01<Octav>Without it I can't boot debian :(
05:02<jm_>Octav: you have two options, go to tty2 before rebooting and install it manually there or use some live cd to fix it afterwards
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05:03<Octav>jm_: I want to fix it ... But how can I do with live CD?
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05:04<jm_>!fixmbr
05:04<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI!
05:05<jm_>Octav: ^^^^^^^ you can use debian installer cd too btw
05:05<jm_>I will be back in 20 minutes or so
05:05<Octav>jm_: ... I must to boot in rescue mode in installer CD? :)
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05:08<txt-file>if you use the installer cd then yes
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05:16<Octav>txt-file: Thanks :) I will try after secure erasing is ready ...
05:16<txt-file>alright
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05:17<sreyan32>How do I use the mailing lists for Debian ?
05:18<sreyan32>If I wanted to send a message do I just do it like regular email ?
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05:20<sreyan32>Anyone here ?
05:21<avalon>sreyan32: have you subscribed to a particular list?
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05:23<sreyan32>avalon: what do I do after subscribing ?
05:24<avalon>send email to debian-<listname>@lists.debian.org, e.g. debian-user@lists.debian.org
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05:24<sreyan32>avalon: for example, debian-boot@lists.debian.org can't I send a normal email describing my problem to the address ???
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05:27<sreyan32>hello ??
05:27<darokthar>Hi, i have a problem with LVM during boot and don't know how to fix it. Sometimes my box boots without an error. Othertimes it halts and throws me to the mininmal system. It says that volume group XY does not exist. I can then type 'vgchange -a y' and 'return' to resume boot
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05:29<avalon>sreyan32: yes, but i believe you'd need to subscribe first. if you already have, it can take a little while for your email to come through sometimes
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05:34<sreyan32>avalon: What do mean by "come through" ?? That means reach the developers ??
05:36<avalon>sreyan32: for your email to appear on the list
05:37<sreyan32>avalon: how long ?? days? months? years ?
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05:38<avalon>when did you send it?
05:39<sreyan32>avalon: Havent sent it yet. how long does it normally take for you ?
05:39<avalon>...in the 20 minutes you've been asking a question about it, it probably would have come through
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05:43<sreyan32>avalon: So let me get this straight. I subscribe, I send a email from my email address and the reply also comes in MY email address right ?
05:44<weather_logger>Hello, is there any plugin for iceweasel so it doesn't display image but a place holder, and when I click on it, the original image is displayed? I looked for imglikeopera and decreased productivity, but they don't support current version. If this question doesn't fit here, please tell me where shall I go (#firefox @ irc.mozilla.org ?).
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05:46<weather_logger>system: debian stable with xfce.
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08:20<ayaka>I got this http://paste.debian.net/80096/ when I try to start mit kdc, but which log shall I have a look, syslog, dmesg or daemon.log. they don't have any more information
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08:37<petn-randall>ayaka: Does it maybe have a separate log? If not, try to call it in a way that it doesn't fork to the backbround.
08:37<petn-randall>*background
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08:38<ayaka>petn-randall, I don't know whether it has a separate log, so I shall try to start not by systemd
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08:40<petn-randall>ayaka: In Debian wheezy systemd is only a tech preview, you shouldn't be using it on a productive system.
08:41<ayaka>petn-randall, I see, but where mention that about systemd? wiki?
08:42<fede>yesterday I've set a hold for the openerp package (nightly build provided by openerp.com), but today it's been upgraded. What it may be wrong?
08:42<fede>Package: openerp
08:42<fede>State: installed [held]
08:42<fede>Automatically installed: no
08:42<fede>Version: 7.0-20140204-002725-1
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08:43<planetmaker>what help is the kick message upon flood actually supposed to provide?
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08:44<petn-randall>planetmaker: It's mean you to go "damn, what happened? Better read the /topic." ;)
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08:44<planetmaker>MSG90C is supposed to say exactly that?
08:44<planetmaker>quite cryptic if you ask me :)
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08:45<petn-randall>planetmaker: No idea actually.
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08:45<planetmaker>fede, use paste services for such things :)
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08:47<fede>first lines of 'aptitude show openerp': http://pastebin.com/9wUwJZTa
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08:58<ayaka>petn-randall, I have tried starting krb5kdc in shell, but there is not any more information
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09:45<instigator>Hello. Wanted to know. How do you find out which services are running? I tried service --status-all but some daemons listed arent running
09:45<afsal>which irc of debian is real in irc.freenode.net or irc.debian.org??
09:45<avalon>afsal: irc.debian.org
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09:45<afsal>instigator: you can use system monitor
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09:46<afsal>avalon: but more people in irc.freeode.net than irc.debian.org
09:46<daemonkeeper>afsal: This is the actual channel.
09:46<avalon>afsal: irc.debian.org just redirects to irc.oftc.net which is where you are now
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09:47<instigator>is system monitor a separate package to install?
09:48<afsal>avalon: daemonkeeper : Currently I opened both freenode/#debian and debian/#debian
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09:48<afsal>instigator: no
09:49<afsal>instigator: are you using wheezy?
09:50<instigator>Yeah I am
09:50<afsal>instigator: ok, then you can open system monitor from the menu
09:51<afsal>integral: Activites-> search "System monitor"
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09:51<avalon>afsal: the freenode channel may be larger, but this is the official channel
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09:53<afsal>avalon: I'm accedentally here. I don't know about debian/#debian. I'm using freenode/#debian :-)
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09:54<petn-randall>afsal: The freenode channel exists for historical reasons. All the other debian-* channels are on oftc.
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10:00<daemonkeeper>Though it's perfectly fine to be on Freenode's #debian, many people are in both networks.
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10:02<afsal>petn-randall: oh :-)
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10:04<petn-randall>afsal: Peekabo!
10:04<petn-randall>afsal: Now I'm here ;)
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10:04<afsal>Great OFTC
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10:05<fredericve>Hi, I'm trying to preseed some values for a package that is already installed in the debconf database with debconf-set-selections
10:05<fredericve>I then want to reconfigure this package with dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive
10:06<fredericve>but the values is seeded into debconf are reverted to the previous values for some reason
10:06<fredericve>anyone got any hints?
10:06<live>how do i install skype in sparky e17 linux?
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10:07<petn-randall>live: You're on the wrong channel, this is #debian.
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10:08<live>what channel should i be on? thanks.
10:09<petn-randall>!sparkylinux
10:09<dpkg>SparkyLinux is a Linux distribution based on <testing>. It is not supported in #debian. http://sparkylinux.org/ See also <based on debian>.
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10:09<petn-randall>live: Guess you'll have to check their web page if they have an IRC channel.
10:09<live>thanks much..
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10:10<petn-randall>live: Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
10:11<afsal>instigator: are you there?
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10:13<instigator>afsal: soz was afk. found it thanks
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10:14<afsal>instigator: you can also use command line tool 'top'
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10:16<instigator>afsal: cool thanks
10:17<afsal>instigator: welcome
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10:45<Cryogn>Hello, I'd like to create a bash script that connect via ssh to a remote server, execute some commands and save the output in a local file, or even print it on the screen. Any tips?
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10:56<Eco>Cryogn : ssh root@MachineB 'bash -s' < local_script.sh
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10:57<Eco>see > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/305035/how-to-use-ssh-to-run-shell-script-on-a-remote-machine
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11:04<Cryogn>Eco : Thanks, but now I'd like to capture the results of the commands executed on the server via that script.
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11:07<petn-randall>Cryogn: What are you trying to achieve? Sounds like a hacky way for something that might be easier to implement another way.
11:09<afsal>Cryogn: just try this ssh root@MachineB 'bash -s' < local_script.sh > log.txt
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11:13<firechariot>hello, I'm trying to remove the "guile" packages. I read in a place that it's a potential to remove such & I have removed such in the past without resulting trouble, though I'm curious in a specific context to removing guile & then blacklisting it
11:13<petn-randall>firechariot: Do you know what guile does?
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11:13<Cryogn>petn-randall: Hmm maybe, it's just a kind of.. "check-up"? I want to include in the crontab of my client. It'd include some verifications like what service's running, if it does correclty, etc..
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11:14<Cryogn>afsal: Look like a good idea, but I need to deal with some other problems in my script. I'll try it asap
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11:15<blast007>Cryogn: you could always run the script via cron on the remote server and have it set up to email you a daily report
11:15<petn-randall>Cryogn: Icinga, Nagios and others are a much better way to do that. Think of all the corner cases you'll have to take care of, like timeouts, wrong timestamps, etc.
11:15<firechariot>petn-randall, do explain
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11:17<petn-randall>firechariot: So you end up having a file with some status output. You'll have to check the timestamp of the file every time to make sure the check had been running, right?
11:17<Ennea>hello~; i have a general question and wasn't sure where else to ask, so here i am. i just ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, and to make a long story short, nginx was updated as well, and that lead to my index.html in /usr/share/nginx/www being overwritten. not a big deal, but quite an annoyance, and i'm guessing similar things may happen with other packages as well. anything i can do to prevent that?
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11:19<Cryogn>blast007: Indeed, sounds easier hah. Thanks for the heads-up.
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11:19<petn-randall>firechariot: Then there's the case that you might have an up-to-date file, but it turns out to be empty. What happened? You'll have to start digging around, and then you end up completely rewriting your "service check", because the current one can't handle that mistake. And after sinking several hours in there you might end up with a "half-assed" version of Icinga. :)
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11:22<petn-randall>Ennea: Yeah, don't use that file as a config file. Everything under /usr/share/ will be overwritten on upgrade. "safe" paths are /etc/, /srv/ and /var, everything in there won't be overwritten (usually).
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11:24<Ennea>petn-randall, okay, that sounds good. i assume i can put the files into my home folder as well?
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11:26<firechariot>really, various things contextual "guile" I do not naturally appreciate. I was really looking for replacement packages. I comprehend that it has a process which a necessary process is requiring, though it's just a single process which is necessary & asking for it
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11:27<petn-randall>Ennea: Yes, they won't be overwritten either. Any config files that could be overwritten will be detected by apt and it will prompt you if you want to keep the old one or overwrite it with the new one.
11:28<petn-randall>Ennea: Config files usually lie in /etc/.
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11:29<Ennea>petn-randall, as i said, it was only the index.html that was overwritten, not the config file itself. since the default path is /usr/share/nginx/www, however, i thought i could just keep that. i wasn't aware that stuff in there could be overwritten
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11:29<Ennea>thank you, that's cleared up now :)
11:30<Ennea>i'll be going. have a nice day~
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11:50<soulfly>Hi guys
11:50<soulfly>I need some help
11:51<soulfly>Can anyone help me?
11:51<trico>!ask
11:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:52<soulfly>Is there a way to decrypt whatapp messages on blackberry using debian app
11:52<soulfly>?
11:52<petn-randall>soulfly: There's no Debian app for blackberry, sorry.
11:52<soulfly>ok thank you very much
11:53<oldlaptop>what would a Debian app be
11:53<oldlaptop>on a blackberry
11:53<oldlaptop>pre-configured VM
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11:55<petn-randall>!enter
11:55<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
11:55<petn-randall>Also, hitting enter excessively makes you sound like you have asthma ;)
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12:09<oushanne123>je vous declencher un webcam a distance
12:10<Maulkin>!fr
12:10<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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12:31<kardan>ok, let's try it again: is there something I could do about this message or is it harmless: "pam_mklocaluser[12857]: pam_close_session: User not known to the underlying authentication module" - su works, but everytime the session ends I see this line.
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12:59<StrangeCharm>If golang broudices static binaries, would that imply that programs written in go are inelegible for Debian packaging?
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13:00<kardan>StrangeCharm, if they are not open source at best they could get into non-free. If anybody is willing to accept it.
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13:01<StrangeCharm>kardan: Let us assume that it's fully free software, and that I'm willing to be the package maintainer.
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13:02<kardan>and you want to include golang binaries into your package?
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13:03<StrangeCharm>kardan: Yes. The application I want to package is Pond. It's written in go, and I would like users to be able to install precompiled binaries.
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13:04<kardan>StrangeCharm, that should be no problem if I got it right. But better ask in #debian-mentors as well.
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13:05<StrangeCharm>kardan: But the binaries are statically linked.
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13:06<kardan>StrangeCharm, why should that be a problem?
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13:08<StrangeCharm>kardan: I was under the impression that binaries should be dynamically linked over their libraries.
13:08<orak3l>while installing util-linux 2.20.1-5.6 there is an error: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 . i have looked into /var/log/dpkg but didn´t find a clue whats going wrong. any ideas what i could do?
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13:12<sreyan32>Hi, Can someone tell me why even Wheezy has no support for efi booting ???
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13:13<sreyan32>everyone claims that EFI is supported there so why can't I install grub to my EFI partition ?
13:14<blast007>sreyan32: did you boot the install disk in EFI mode?
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13:15<kardan>StrangeCharm, to be honest, the policy is not completely clear about it: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html
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13:16<kardan>!efi
13:16<dpkg>Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/
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13:16<badelvis>Dear Debian-Channel. I tried to apt-get upgrade today and my server said that some packages could not be authenticated (in this case libcurl3-gnutls). Why does this suddenly happen? What can I do to resolve this issue?
13:17<sreyan32>blast007: well here is the thing THE DISC DOESN'T BOOT IN EFI MODE.
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13:18<blast007>sreyan32: what ISO did you burn?
13:18<badelvis>I am running a "3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux"
13:18<sreyan32>kardan: has anyone ever tested is Debian efi works or not ?
13:18<kardan>orak3l, can you paste theoutput of apt-get install --reinstall util-linux
13:18<kardan>sreyan32, I can't tell, sorry.
13:19<blast007>sreyan32: I'm running a UEFI+RAID1+LVM install of Wheezy at home.
13:19<sreyan32>kardan: i mailed one of the package maintainers of grub-efi and he said he doesn't know anything about EFI.
13:20<sreyan32>blast007: that means your machine boots Debian in UEFI right ??
13:20<Cor3>that lack of secure boot sucks
13:20<blast007>sreyan32: right
13:21<sreyan32>balst007: Hold on giving you the link
13:21<kardan>sreyan32, it's probably ok to ask debian-devel as there should be a common interest.
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13:22<sreyan32>blast007: Used the first CD image from. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/amd64/bt-cd/
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13:23<sreyan32>kardan: Whats debian-devel ??? Is he a user here ???
13:23<sney>badelvis: do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade again. sometimes there's just a hiccup
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13:23<sreyan32>blast007: Doesn't boot in UEFI
13:23<kardan>sreyan32, it's a mailing list as well.
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13:23<blast007>sreyan32: are you hitting the 'boot select' key for your system when you start the computer?
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13:24<badelvis>sney: thanks. it worked. i just wanted to be cautious, since gnutls seems security relevant
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13:24<sreyan32>blast007: Yes Exactly. Boot Device select.
13:24<sney>sreyan32: every EFI is different, some of them work well and others don't. what is unsupported completely is Secure Boot. if you have secure boot then debian certainly won't work; otherwise it may be possible
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13:24<sreyan32>sney: Secure Boot is off
13:25<sreyan32>sney: is there documentation which tells me which EFI is supported and which are not ???
13:25<sney>ok then you are just having Fun (tm) with a new technology.
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13:25<sreyan32>sney: it isn't a lot of fun for me when you spend 2 months trying to get Debian to install and work for you.
13:26<sreyan32>sney: not even a bit sir
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13:27<kardan>sreyan32, what did ixquick tell you?
13:27<sney>from my own personal experience with regard to UEFI, MSI motherboards tend to be fine and Asus makes me want to throw the computer out the window. but, approximately, you need to make sure the INSTALLER boots in efi mode, and then it should be able to install grub-efi. and if the installer boots in efi mode but is unable to install grub-efi, you should be able to boot with a rescue cd (also in efi mode) to
13:27<sney>chroot into the system and install the bootloader some way.
13:28<sney>if the installer boots in legacy/bios mode, no efi anything will happen, ever
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13:29<sreyan32>sney: I have been trying to install the bootloader for squeeze for 2 months via chrooting
13:29<sney>you know what the definition of insanity is
13:29<sreyan32>sney: I debian disks do not boot in EFI mode. I am using a Gigabyte motherboard
13:30<sney>you mean the installer? that is really the most important part
13:30<sreyan32>sney: yeah do the same thing again and again and expect something different to happen
13:30<sreyan32>sney: Yes it doesn't work in UEFI mode
13:30<sreyan32>kardan: "ixquick" ???
13:31<sney>normally I wouldn't recommend this, it may have HORRIBLE BUGS, you have been warned - the development version of the installer is located here http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer . Does this one boot in uefi mode on your motherboard?
13:32<kardan>sreyan32, it's a privacy respecting search engine with https + no ip logging located in the netherlands: ixquick.com
13:33<sreyan32>sney: These are all netinst images any full CD images with desktop environment ???
13:33<sreyan32>kardan: What does that have to do with EFI booting ? or what I am talking abot ?
13:33<sney>sreyan32: the question is whether it boots, not whether you can use it to install the whole system. just check if it boots.
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13:34<kardan>sreyan32, one '?' is usally enough.
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13:34<sney>kardan: I'm wondering the same thing. was that an oddly specific way of telling him to google it?
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13:34<sreyan32>sney: i am now on Windows. it will take time for me to that. assuming it works what do I do then ?
13:34*kardan does not promote google and yes it was. :)
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13:35<sney>kardan: then I think you have probably learned to just say 'web search' or whatever
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13:36<kardan>sney: why it's not ok to use ixquick?
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13:36<sney>kardan: you can use whatever you want, but asking random users if they've checked on some obscure search engine just creates confusion, not support
13:36<kardan>obscure?
13:37<sreyan32>sney: assuming netinst works then what do i do ???
13:37<sney>as in, "you've probably never heard of it"
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13:37<kardan>there always is a first time.
13:38<sreyan32>sney: hello are you there ???
13:38<sney>sreyan32: I would say come back here (or go to #debian-boot) and report that your motherboard can boot the testing installer in uefi mode, but not the stable installer.
13:38<sney>don't panic.
13:38<kardan>and stay calm :)
13:38<sreyan32>sney: you ahve no idea what i am going through to
13:39<sreyan32>to install debian with uefi
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13:39<sney>man you said you've been working on this for 2 months, if that wasn't a fish story then I'm sure you can try some things and work with people for a few more hours/days
13:39<sreyan32>sney: stay calm ?? u ever spent 2 months trying to dual boot linux with windows ???
13:39<kardan>sreyan32, we are proud having you as engaged uefi tester for debian.
13:39<orak3l>kardan: http://pastebin.com/wh78XTFz
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13:40<kardan>sreyan32, again: one '?' is usally enough.
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13:40<sney>sreyan32: I understand it's frustrating but freaking out when people are trying to help you will only slow the process down. try the testing netinst, report your results, and we can work from there.
13:40<sreyan32>sney: how do i contact the devs of Debian ?? i am a linux noob i did'nt know about these problems before
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13:41<kardan>sreyan32, as I said before: ask debian-devel mailing list
13:41<sney>sreyan32: #debian-boot is another irc channel used by the installer team. they also have a mailing list, debian-boot@lists.debian.org.
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13:41<sreyan32>sney: do you stay online regurlarly on this channel ? then i will report back my results.
13:41<sney>sreyan32: they will tell you the same thing I did - test the testing installer.
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13:42<sney>yes I am here a lot and there are several other regulars who are smarter than me.
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13:43<kardan>orak3l, that looks strange. try an apt-get update and try again.
13:43<sreyan32>sney: you know what frustraing is ? i mailed a package maintainer for the "grub-efi-amd64" package regarding my pronlems for EFi boot. and he told me he has no idea of EFI. I mean if you don't panic then I have no idea when to panic
13:44<sreyan32>sney: i mean it seems the dev have no idea about EFI
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13:44<sney>it means that one random person you emailed instead of filing a bug didn't have an answer for you, or didn't feel like answering your question because you didn't file a bug.
13:44<kardan>sreyan32, just try to ask others. there is nothing to loose and really no reason to panic .. mabey until your house gets fire. and even then it's best to stay calm.
13:45<sney>sreyan32: anyway, go try the testing installer and report back. there is no need for you to bother more maintainers/developers yet.
13:46<sreyan32>kardan: can you tell me when I get a reply in a mailing list is that mailed back to me or do I have to check the mailing list or somehting ?
13:46<kardan>sreyan32, you can start the mail with "I am not on this list, please CC me."
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13:47<petn-randall>sreyan32, kardan: You shouldn't mail maintainers directly, that's why we have support IRC, user mailinglists and a bug tracker.
13:47<sreyan32>sney: the person was a maintainer for "grub-efi-amd64". No offence intended but how do you become a maintainer for grub-efi with having no idea of EFi
13:47<kardan>sreyan32, this is your personal homework: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
13:47<petn-randall>sreyan32: Do you have proof to back that up?
13:47<sney>sreyan32: grub is a source package with multiple binary packages, grub-efi being a new one out of many. I don't know who you emailed but they were probably a grub maintainer before efi was around.
13:48<sney>sreyan32: and again, he may have just decided not to answer you because you emailed him personally rather than filing a bug, which is the proper way to report an issue
13:48<sreyan32>petn-randall: then JUST tell me where do I mail problems regarding grub-efi.
13:48<sney>sreyan32: AND, we don't even know if grub-efi has a problem here, because first you need to boot the INSTALLER in efi mode. without that, grub-install will never find the efi partition.
13:48<kardan>!bts
13:48<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS
13:48<sney>sreyan32: TRY THE TESTING INSTALLER.
13:49<sney>kardan: stop making noise please.
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13:49<sreyan32>petn-randall: would like me to to give you the email id of the person ?
13:49<sney>sreyan32: do not report or email anyone yet. try the testing installer to find out if it boots.
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13:49<kardan>sney: I think you are the one making noise :)
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13:49<petn-randall>sreyan32: This is all documented stuff you can read up on. I also gave you the answer just before your question.
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13:49<sney>kardan: I am trying to troubleshoot. you are sending him off to email people without knowing what the issue is.
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13:50<sney>yes let's report frivolous bugs against grub for a system where grub was never able to even see the efi, splendid idea
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13:50<kardan>"rather than filing a bug, which is the proper way to report an issue"
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13:51<sney>once you know what the issue is. do we know what the issue is? do you?
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13:51<kardan>take a breath.
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13:52<sreyan32>sney: i have never used mailing lists. can you give me a crash course ?? after susbscription and reporting the problem when the reply comes will it come to my email address or the mailing list
13:52<StrangeCharm>Thanks kardan.
13:52<babilen>sreyan32: The wheezy installer does support EFI (I used it before) fwiw
13:52<babilen>sreyan32: But it might have issues with your particular hardware
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13:52<sney>sreyan32: I would be glad to help you with sending those emails after you try the installer, which is the next step in figuring out exactly what is wrong.
13:53<sney>sreyan32: right now you would be sending an email with no useful information - let's try not to waste anyone's time
13:53<sreyan32>babilen: The installer does not boot in EFi mode on my gigabyte motherboard
13:53<babilen>sreyan32: Well, gigabyte has been selling hardware for many years now ... that in itself doesn't say much. I concur with sney in that it might be a good idea to try the testing installer
13:54<sreyan32>sney: please make sure you are available here for me to talk to again. because i dont want to explain the problem to another person again all over
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13:54<babilen>sney: Don't you dare to leave the channel! ;)
13:54<sney>sreyan32: I can't promise that but if I'm not around I think babilen has enough background... and there are several others who can figure it out if you give them the short version
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13:55<sreyan32>babilen, sney: just a thought. what if even the testing installer doesn't wotk ?
13:55<petn-randall>sreyan32: Then we'll debug further.
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13:56<sreyan32>babilen: sir please i know my problem seems ridiculous but i am really tired with this EFI boot problem. please don't make fun of me.
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13:58<babilen>sreyan32: I am not making fun of you at all and I am well aware of your ongoing problems. It is, frankly, quite disheartening to see that you have problems with the wheezy installer too. Did you try to disable secure boot?
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13:58<petn-randall>sreyan32: I don't think he intended to. I just skimmed over the backlog, are you booting in true UEFI mode when you boot the USB drive?
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13:58<sreyan32>petn-randall: i have no experience using mailing lists and find them rather confusing so i mailed a package maintainer. and he tells me that he has no idea of EFI. that doesnt inspire confidence with debian developers
13:59<sreyan32>babilen: secure boot is disabled booting from a DVD
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13:59<babilen>ack
13:59<sreyan32>babilen: now you know why i am frustrated with Debian
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14:00<babilen>sreyan32: Well, try the testing installer. If everything else fails we can ask the peeps in #debian-boot (installer developer), but a thoroughly written install report would be good for that
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14:00<petn-randall>sreyan32: There's no point in discussing any mails you privately sent any package maintainer. We can help you with your problem here and now.
14:00<sreyan32>babilen: how would i generate a install report ? is there a tool for that ?
14:01<petn-randall>sreyan32: Also, grub is maintained by several people, so randomly mailing some person won't necessarily get you the person that has any experience in it.
14:01<sreyan32>petn-randall: I know. You are right.
14:01<babilen>sreyan32: "reportbug install-report" -- but pelase try to weekly (daily?) first
14:02<sreyan32>babilen: "please try to weekly (daily?)first" What do you mean by this ?
14:02<babilen>typo galore! *please *try
14:03<babilen>sreyan32: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
14:03<sreyan32>babilen: yes i will ues the testing installer
14:03<babilen>sreyan32: Use the expert install and install stable ... the installer might not actually work correctly (due to other reasons), but if you can boot that one with EFI than we have an additional data point
14:04<sreyan32>but how do i use reportbug install-report when i can't even boot into Debian ?
14:05<sreyan32>babilen: When I select UEFI boot on my disk it goes back to the BIOS menu I dont get a chance for expert install
14:05<babilen>sreyan32: Also with the developement version of the installer?
14:06<babilen>sreyan32: And you are sure that you are booting the CD in UEFI mode?
14:06<sreyan32>babilen: no just with the stable one
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14:07<sreyan32>babilen: Yes i am sure. I boot with something like "UEFI: Tsst Corp Dvdr/rw". dont remember the whole exact line
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14:08<sreyan32>babilen: will that be all then i will start downloading Debian development version.
14:09<babilen>.oO( didn't we suggest that already ? )
14:09<babilen>brb
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14:10<petn-randall>sreyan32: Looking at my backlog, you already asked that question two weeks ago. Didn't that get resolved back then?
14:11<sreyan32>babilen: i am asking because i will shut of my pc and start the download from tommorrow. its 12:40 am over here and i need to sleep after this frustrating day.
14:11<sreyan32>petn-randall: which question are you reffering to ?
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14:12<sreyan32>petn-randall: which question are you referring to ?
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14:12<kardan>sreyan32, what is youre current os?
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14:13<me>I have xfce as a DE and I use thunar to automount external drives and usb sticks. I like how thunar automatically creates the directory structure in /media/me/disk-label. How do I configure options for the automount? For example, I have an external SSD and I want to set "default, relatime, commit=600" ...
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14:13<sreyan32>kardan: Windows 8.1 x64
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14:14<kardan>you can download the installer with jigdo then: http://atterer.org/sites/atterer/files/2009-08/jigdo/jigdo-win-0.7.2.zip
14:14<babilen>What would that accomplish?
14:15<kardan>Just drop this specification onto it: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/multi-arch/jigdo-cd/debian-testing-amd64-i386-netinst.jigdo
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14:15<kardan>read http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/
14:15<petn-randall>sreyan32: You asked a few weeks back about the UEFI problem.
14:16<me>It there a way to configure automount options with fstab? I figured there must be a way through xfce settings since thunar is managing the mount...
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14:16<kardan>petn-randall, that proofs there is a reason for his impatience.
14:17<sreyan32>petn-randall: yes i was then being stubborn. i wanted to boot squeeze in UEFi but everyone told me to use wheezy. after giving up and switching to wheezy i find that i am stuck with the same problem
14:17<sreyan32>petn-randall: hence to answer your question. No my EFI problems are not even close to being resolved.
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14:17<babilen>sreyan32: stubborn and "fixing problems" typically don't go well together
14:18<kardan>sreyan32, debian is work in progress. thanks for trying again and again :)
14:18<sreyan32>babilen: stuborness is required is you want to fix a problem
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14:18<kardan>no
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14:19<sreyan32>kardan: any other novice would have shifted to any other distribution. i am trying for debian because it is closest to UNIX
14:20<kardan>it's good to stick with your goal to install debian but not to be stubborn when asking for questions.
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14:20<kardan>s/questions/help/
14:20<sreyan32>kardan: i agree. but how would you feel if you got the same problem even with the latest release of Debian
14:20<sreyan32>???
14:21<petn-randall>sreyan32: It's not the same problem. EFI boot simply isn't supported in squeeze.
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14:21<kardan>the trick is to not annoy people that try to support you.
14:22<sreyan32>kardan: are you annoyed ? please i am sorry. but i seem to be getting nowhere with this problem.
14:22<petn-randall>sreyan32: Have you tried the testing installer yet?
14:23<kardan>sreyan32, no worries, I am not. :)
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14:23<babilen>sreyan32: Why, if I may inquire, can't you simply (not so simply?) download the testing installer and try that? Is your internet connection particularly slow? I mean there is little we can do now and the firsty step to fixing a problem is typically to gather as much data about it as possible. Please that we cannot see your screen, cannot input anything and can only use the data you give us.
14:23<sreyan32>petn-randall: There is a package "grub-efi-amd64" for squeeze as well. EFI booting is THEORETICALLY supported.
14:24<sreyan32>okay off to download the installer. thanks for your help.
14:24<kardan>yay!
14:24<sreyan32>meet you guys after tommorow
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14:25<babilen>sreyan32: The installer doesn't support it and, as of now, I am also not convinced that you maybe don't require a specific kernel version. You *exact* mainboard make would also allow us to investigate in that direction, but "gigabyte" simply won't suffice. Be *precise* in your problem description and accept that we cannot work with insufficient data and therefore might ask unecessary questions
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14:30<kardan>babilen, is there a list which hardware is (not) supported?
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14:33<babilen>kardan: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ comes in handy
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14:33<kardan>I am not sure if this is of use for testing: http://pi-sct.sourceforge.net/ "The Platform Initialization Self-Certification Test(pi-sct) project has source for exercisersizing interfaces in a platform and verifies compatibility to the PI specification with specific tests on PEI and DXE Foundations from PI Spec on UEFI uefi.org."
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14:42<miranda>identify
14:42<kardan>babilen, its a nice db and I will add info on my machine, but there seems to be nothing about EFI (at least the search does not work for me).
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14:43<mokona>I need some non-free drivers for my wireless card to work, and I'm having trouble finding the documentation on how to install them
14:44<SynrG>EFI is probably not a useful hardware search term
14:44<trico>think they go in /lib/firmware. what device?
14:44<mokona>Intel PRO/Wireless 3945
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14:45<trico>pretty sure that's supported out of the box by debian. i have that on my laptop
14:45<mokona>what i did find is that they should be in iwlwifi
14:45<mokona>I'm running a fresh 7.3 install and that's not the case for me
14:45<tweekx>https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi
14:46<stderr_dk>mokona: Do you have the pci id?
14:46<mokona>awesome, thank you
14:47<trico>https://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy
14:47<mokona>03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 100
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14:47<m2og3>hello
14:48<m2og3>I'm m2og3
14:48<stderr_dk>mokona: Can you run "lspci -n"?
14:49<m2og3>help me!
14:49<stderr_dk>m2og3: With?
14:49<mokona>00:00.0 0600: 8086:0104 (rev 09)
14:49<mokona>00:01.0 0604: 8086:0101 (rev 09)
14:49<mokona>00:02.0 0300: 8086:0116 (rev 09)
14:49<mokona>00:16.0 0780: 8086:1c3a (rev 04)
14:49<mokona>00:1a.0 0c03: 8086:1c2d (rev 05)
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14:50<m2og3>I want to learn from Belarus English
14:50<m2og3>You cann't help me?
14:51<m2og3>Who is mokona?
14:51<stderr_dk>m2og3: This is the Debian support channel, not the "learn English" channel.
14:52<m2og3>Can I will at least read it?
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14:54<SynrG>m2og3: you can do that. I'm not sure it will help you much, though.
14:54<miranda_>mokona here, got the wireless sorted from the wiki. Thanks for the pointer
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14:55<SynrG>gone faster than i can swipe :-P
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15:35<ookla>huhu
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15:37<spiky>Hi I have a issue with a popup on boot, about partitions/disks I have connected. I have to click the popup to get rid of it. Is there away to stop this
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15:39<kardan>spiky, depends on your window manager
15:39<spiky>I have just installed wheezy
15:40<kardan>gnome or kde?
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15:41<spiky>sorry gnome
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15:43<ivanoov>hi :)
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15:54<firechariot>hello, I just installed a hard drive & formatted it & then got it mounted, though it's listing a file called "lost+found" & I can't create a document. I'm curious if somebody has suggestion for correcting the situation :D
15:55<rryoumaa>lost+found is part of the fs; you can ignore it unless there are issues
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15:55<rryoumaa>not being able to create might just mean how it is mounted
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15:56<spiky>or permissions
15:56<firechariot>rryoumaa, do you have suggestion in the context of why I can't create a folder or document in the drive?
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15:56<firechariot>chown to group?
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15:56<keep>oiiiii
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15:57<firechariot>merci!! :)
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16:00<kardan>spiky, click on your user name it the upper right > system settings > details > removable media
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16:02<firechariot>is the command: chown username:groupname /path/to/directory ?
16:03<firechariot>wait, it's chown -R username:groupname /path/to/directory ?
16:05<spiky>kardan yes but there is nothing about disks/partions. These are permentaly connected
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16:05<spiky>I think it,s the 1,s not being mounted
16:06<kardan>spiky, you can try to define it in /etc/fstab
16:06<firechariot>sorry, though now I'm having to go into the lost+found folder to create folders & files. Is there a work around this?
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16:07<kardan>firechariot, why would you do that?
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16:08<firechariot>kardan, "why would I want to change it so that I can enter the harddrive mount point & just start creating files & folders?"
16:09<spiky>firechariot, where did you mount the drive? what permissions on the drive
16:09<kardan>firechariot, usually you do not need to fiddle with lost+found
16:09<firechariot>the drive is mounted in /media/driveuuid with username:groupname permissions
16:10<firechariot>kardan, I can create files & folders in the lost+found folder, though not the drive mountpoint
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16:10<kardan>spiky, does the popup show up when you check the "Never prompt ..." option?
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16:11<kardan>firechariot, if it's fat setting umask could be worth a try.
16:11<spiky>I,ll try that although that will restrict other media i,e cd,s
16:12<spiky>brb
16:12<firechariot>wait, I figured it out... stupid chown in Debian did a recursive chown, though not a chown to the directory referenced :/
16:12<kardan>that's a downside, yes.
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16:12<firechariot>new question, can I delete lost+found?
16:12<kardan>firechariot, programs are never stupid, only users are :p
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16:13<kardan>firechariot, yes you can, as root. usually it gets recreated.
16:13<firechariot>kardan, in Ubuntu, chown -R worked for the directory referenced & each recursive directory
16:14<kardan>firechariot, there is probably no difference between chown on debian and ubuntu.
16:14<firechariot>so, in the context of deleting lost+found folder?
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16:15<kardan>sometimes it matters where you place the option but not in this case.
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16:17<firechariot>gracias for your help everybody :)
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16:19<acecile__>hi
16:20<acecile__>I have two DVB-T sticks on a computer, same chipset (so same kernel module)
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16:20<acecile__>but one is aimed to be used as SDR
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16:20<acecile__>so I'd like this one to be ignored by the kernel module
16:20<acecile__>(which is needed for the other one)
16:20<acecile__>any pointer ?
16:20<acecile__>I have no clue how I'm supposed to deal with this
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16:26<spiky>kardan, yes that dose fix it but as mention it stops notification of cd,s
16:26<kardan>acecile__, you need to get into udev rules then: http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
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16:34<acecile__>kardan are you sure ?
16:34<acecile__>because when the kernel module will be loaded
16:35<acecile__>I guess it will automatically grab the other stick as well
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16:35<kardan>acecile__, IIRC you can tell udev to (not) perform actions based on hardware strings
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16:36<kardan>though I never used it myself.
16:36<acecile__>yes I can ask udev to not load the kernel module
16:36<acecile__>but if I load it for the first card
16:37<acecile__>I do not see udev being involved in skipping the other card when the module loads
16:37<acecile__>anyway, it's a real pain ;D
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16:42<jrabbit>I'm having soem troubled with a debian apt mirror?
16:43<jrabbit>E: Release file for http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/dists/wheezy-updates/Release is expired (invalid since 1d 6h 51min 7s). Updates for this repository will not be applied.
16:43<jrabbit>and then it says that a mysql package can't be authenticated but withotu other errors i assuem its related
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16:47<jrabbit>ok looks like MIT's mirror isn't adjusting properly
16:47<kardan>acecile__, according to the doc one could use rules based on ATTRS{model|vendor} to suppress mount as sdb
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16:48<kardan>however it looks a bit dated as there is no tool as udevinfo on wheezy
16:48<instigator>hello. How to you completely remove a program like every trace of it? I tried sudo apt-get remove theapplication but some of its files/folders remain
16:48<jrabbit>Valid-Until: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 14:49:25 UTC
16:49<kardan>instigator, apt-get purge should do
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16:51<jrabbit>is there any way to find who's the contact person for a mirror?
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16:55<instigator>kardan: thanks a lot!
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16:56<mtn>instigator: that won't remove traces of the program that might be in your home folder, though
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16:58<instigator>mtn: really? Is there a easy way to delete those home files without doing so manually?
16:59<mtn>instigator: nope
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16:59<instigator>mtn: oh ok. thanks for info
16:59<mtn>instigator: yw
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17:01<Fidgett>? > during the "expert" installs i was given a choice of seconds to wait - before the grub-menu boots up - and i wasn't sure, then, what that was actually for - and i increased the default of 3 seconds - by waaaaay too much. What was that CALLED? OR How do i search for: a way to change it? [...down to only several seconds.]
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17:08<trico>Fidgett: look in /etc/default/grub, the setting is in there. runn update-grub when finished editing that file
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17:09<Fidgett>okay - thanks. i'll look.
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17:11<Fidgett>trico - no. that is not it - i'm not talking about the time-out [for the default os to boot up]
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17:13<Fidgett>i am referring to the number of seconds BEFORE the grub menu even boots up - do you know what THAT timeframe is called?
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17:13<Fidgett>??
17:13<Fidgett>brb
17:13<trico>oh. thats in your computer's BIOS
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17:13<Fidgett>really? the INSTALL changes bios settings???
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17:14<Fidgett>really?
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17:14<trico>no, but the time it takes to get to grub has nothing to do with debian
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17:15<Fidgett>well then that is not it either... hmmm... the time-out to the default os is 5 seconds... and...
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17:16<trico>where do you see that? the countdown at the bottom of the screen with your list of OS and kernels?
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17:18<Fidgett>no. in the expert install it asked for the number of seconds for SOMETHING - i don't know what you call it. but the timeout default of 5 seconds IN grub is fine...
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17:19<Fidgett>install does not ask you to choose the default-os timeout...
17:19<Fidgett>and 5s is just fine with me...
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17:20<Fidgett>the time BEFORE grub-menu shows up is what is now so long because i chose 30 seconds - it used to be abou 5s...
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17:21<Fidgett>maybe the deb-expert installer Does change bios...
17:21<Fidgett>brb <3
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18:02<rostam>Hi I have created a deb pkgs which once a while when I want to upgrade it I get the following error: "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct". I have not done any thing that could cause interruption. Is there anyway I can get more information on what has gone wrong? thx
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18:04<Infiltrator>rostam: Anything interesting in /var/log?
18:04<rostam>Infiltrator, which log file in that directory?
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18:06<Infiltrator>rostam: Look under /var/log/apt/; at history and term.
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18:07<rostam>The both history and term log files are empty.
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18:08<Infiltrator>Really? What about the archived ones? Are they too empty?
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18:08<rostam>no but the dates are 5 days older than today which the error occured.
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18:09<Infiltrator>If the logs are empty, I don't know, sorry. Hang around and somebody wiser shall come along to help.
18:09<rostam>thank you
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18:10<mtn>rostam: did you try running the command?
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18:11<rostam>mtn: not yet, I was afraid it change the state of the system. Should I? thx
18:11<mtn>rostam: it will just try to fix the problem with the package
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18:12<rostam>mtn: I understand but I like to know why this happened first, any idea???
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18:12<mtn>rostam: no
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18:13<rostam>mtn : thanks
18:13<rostam>anyone has any suggestion??
18:13<mtn>rostam: yw
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18:15<ectospasm>I'm having trouble with grub-install to a USB thumbdrive. I've partitioned it with cfdisk (per the instructions I'm adapting), and created an EXT4 filesystem on the single bootable partition. grub-install reports this: "Path `/mnt/usb/boot/grub' is not readable by GRUB on boot. Installation is impossible. Aborting."
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18:35<kardan>rostam, what do you mean by "I have created a deb pkgs"? usually running apt-get/dpkg again brings up the error in question.
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18:40<rostam>kardan, I create a private deb pkg which is not part of the upstream, that is what I meant. okay so I will run the dpkg -i again. one sec
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18:42<rostam>kardan, strange I lost connection to the system, need to go to lab :)
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18:42<kardan>rostam probably you just triggered self destruction.
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18:43<rostam>kardan, oops, what is that??
18:44<kardan>dpkg = destruction package (just kidding)
18:44<dpkg>no idea, kardan
18:45<rostam>kardan, :)
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18:49<Hatter>I have a number of machines that I use as Virtualbox hosts, using VNC as a management interface which starts up on boot. On two machines since upgrading to debian 7.0 the vnc just drops out. I have no idea where or how to find out why this is happening... any clues ?
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19:00<kardan>Hatter, "I have no idea where or how to find out" Anything in the logs? man vnc..
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19:04<Hatter>kardan - ah I thought I had checked syslog last time, but this time I have this : [1905875.837072] Xtightvnc[4931]: segfault at 7f4a2d321612 ip 00000000004e6b93 sp 00007fff142f9a70 error 6 in Xtightvnc[400000+17d000]
19:05<kardan>Hatter, interesting. time to dig out gdb and install debugging symbols :)
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19:06<Hatter>google shows me this bug report : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=702680
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19:08<kardan>Hatter, "No symbol table info available." You can do better this time.
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19:14<Hatter>kardan, I don't know what that means!
19:15<kardan>Hatter, to find out what causes the segfault you need to install gdb and run your program with "gdb /path/to/your/program".
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19:17<Hatter>kardan - thx, i will.
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19:21<kardan>Hatter To make the output more useful, you also need debugging symbols. but it looks like xtightvncviewer does not offer them (they would be called xtightvncviewer-dbg). that means you need to compile it yourself: apt-get source xtightvncviewer && apt-get build-dep xtightvncviewer
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19:25<ayaka>petn-randall, thank you
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19:27<petn-randall>ayaka: You're welcome, come back if you have more questions.
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19:33<Mongo44>themill, http://paste.debian.net/80215/
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19:34<Mongo44>That is the beginning of it which was cut of for some reason.
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19:36<themill>Mongo44: it was cut because either you didn't run the command or didn't copy the output. It also shows you that the virtualbox package is there and ready to be installed.
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19:38<Mongo44>Well of course I ran the command.
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19:55<Mongo44>themill, thank you. All I had to do was just run apt-get virtualbox in root terminal.
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20:16<petn-randall>Mongo44: You got kicked for flooding the channel. Read the info in the /topic. It's ok to reconnect, you're not banned or anything.
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20:17<Mongo44>Ok thank you I won't make that mistake again.
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20:17<petn-randall>Mongo44: No problem, it can happen.
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20:21<kardan>I keep hanging on "pam_mklocaluser[12857]: pam_close_session: User not known to the underlying authentication module" man pam.d brought me to the idea to create a file in /etc/pam.d for the user am su'ing in. but
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20:27<thimoteo>hello
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20:29*kardan found that libpam-mklocaluser is too special for this channel, as it is part of skolelinux.org distribution.
20:30<thimoteo>hello
20:30<Mongo44>Good evening.
20:31<thimoteo>Good evening
20:31<thimoteo>is my first visit here
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20:33<kardan>enjoy :)
20:34<thimoteo>yer
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20:36<thimoteo>what is the purpose of this topic?
20:37<thimoteo>talk to me
20:38<Mongo44>This is a support channel for Debian operating systems.
20:39<thimoteo>right thanks
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20:45<wapiflap1>hey guys, how can I (simply) tee stdin to all clients connecting to a socket ? I'dd like something like whatever | netcat -l localhost 4242 but accepting multiple clients at the same time that will receive the same thing.
20:45<wapiflap1>I looked at socat's man page as it seemed the most likely, but I dont see how it could do something like this :/
20:45<wapiflap1>If anyone has an idea of what would be the right tool for the job I'dd be grateful
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20:50<kardan>wapiflap1, maybe a webserver?
20:52<wapiflap1>looking a oneliner actualy, and its important the data is not altered so no HTTP, (of course data broadcasted before a client connects is lost that is expected)
20:53<wapiflap1>I could code something quite easily instead of running a webserver, but I'm surprised there is no simple tool for this job...
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20:56<kardan>wapiflap1, something like dish comes to mind, but it's for administering multiple hosts at the same time instead of multiplying your shell session.
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20:57<wapiflap1>Hum, never heard of that tool, I'll take a look. Thanks!
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20:57<kardan>wapiflap1, have a look into "apt-cache search distributed shell". there is something worth trying.
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21:29<kardan>wapiflap1, http://retran.com/beej/advanced.html#select
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21:41<kardan>maybe not exactly what you wanted, but gives a little fun. it shouldn't be that hard to bind it to an actual shell.
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