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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-02-05

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00:00<Fidgett>trico: go figure - that installer-question Was for resetting the bios bootup pause-time. a VERY wierd, yet cool surprise. i forgot how it was worded; i was in a cd to install.
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00:01<Fidgett>this muc is awesome - thank YOU, everyone.
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00:02<Fidgett>i finally get to try on debian - and with fde - in my quest to dump ubuntu. thanks. <3
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00:04<Fidgett>and a special thanks to stderr_dk... and sney...
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01:52<ookla>good mornign
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01:55<ookla>guys im trying to run a game in debian
01:56<ookla>its asking em the path for wine server
01:56<ookla>what should i put in there ?
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02:14<ookla>vive la franceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
02:14<ookla>viva portualll
02:15<ookla>champion du munde
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02:26<ookla>anyone for a couple of matches demigod ?
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03:00<neo1691>Someone here using the awesome window manager with a good command line irc client? Just want to which is a good irc client for cli?
03:01<babilen>neo1691: irssi and weechat
03:01<jm_>ircii
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03:01<neo1691>babilen, Thanks!! Seems you guys the cli guys! :)
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03:18<Fidgett>please - help - total-noob, here. when you add a new user, it asks for a new UNIX password -
03:19<Fidgett>is that a regular one or for "root?"
03:19<jm_>it's a password for the new user
03:19<Fidgett>a Regular one that does NOT make for "root" powers?
03:20<jm_>yes, for the new user the command will add
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03:20<babilen>Fidgett: It is the password of the user you are creating. Which tool are you using for that?
03:20<Fidgett>i entered adduser then the name.
03:21<Fidgett>so it is for login, right?
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03:24<jm_>yes
03:25<Fidgett>thanks. <3
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03:26<babilen>Fidgett: The root user has its own password and you would have to change it explicitly by running "passwd" as root. All other user passwords are, naturally, specific to those users.
03:26<babilen>Fidgett: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.user-group-databases.html (the rest of that book is excellent too)
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03:27<Fidgett>you all rock.
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03:41<Fidgett>noob, here - with first debian install ever. and with syn-package-manager, it needed the install disc to download. Why? ? and does it need a better software source? my linux-experiance is limited to mostly ubuntu - and i have never had this happen- needing to put an install disc back in.
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03:42<hwgasdfasdf>by default, your sources list probably has the cd source still in it
03:42<SamB>Fidgett: you could comment that out in your sources.list
03:42<hwgasdfasdf>need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
03:43<SamB>or maybe there's some GUI way, I'm not really into GUIs ...
03:43<SamB>and yes that got old after a while even on dialup ..
03:43<hwgasdfasdf>or possibly /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
03:43<SamB>(especially since I had like 7 binary CDs ;-P)
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03:44<Fidgett>i will look - <3
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03:47<babilen>dpkg: tell Fidgett -about wheezy sources.list
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03:47<Fidgett>huh?
03:49<babilen>Fidgett: You should have received a private message from our bot, dpkg
03:50<Fidgett>i see the line with "deb cdrom:[Deb..." so i will comment out with a # - right?
03:52<Fidgett>and the bot's msg. has stuff in "<...>" <- those things - are those irc commands? or search terms the bot is suggesting?
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03:54<jm_>those are the things you can ask the bot about
03:54<Fidgett>thanxs!
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04:27<josephjpasternack>Can I trouble anyone for some install help please?
04:27<josephjpasternack>I am at the terminal with the usb stick install plugged in I just do not know what command to run to start the installer
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04:28<jm_>boot from it
04:29<josephjpasternack>I had to do the install from another computer, and swap the drive over. now it just wants to boot to grub recovery. I finally got the computer to go into debian recovery and I am at the root prompt.
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04:29<jm_>so what exactly is the issue then?
04:29<josephjpasternack>I can not boot from it. its a media smart server which only allows for one usb device to be used. so when I boot the usb stick I have no keyboard
04:30<jm_>usb hub to the rescue?
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04:31<josephjpasternack>it has 4 usb ports but only one device will work for some reason. I know its kind of silly but thats how they made it.
04:31<jm_>is this x86?
04:31<planetmaker>if it has a CD or DVD drive: create a boot disk?
04:31<josephjpasternack>x64
04:31<josephjpasternack>it doesn't, and no access to BIOS
04:32<jm_>then grml with its boot to ram option, then remove it and use the keyboard - no other idea except of using the drive in another computer to fix the issue
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04:32<josephjpasternack>I have been using windows because when you do the server 2008 installer, once it loads the hardware the usb ports work.
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04:34<josephjpasternack>well this is what I did. I installed from another computer onto the drive, put the drive in the media smart server and booted. now I am at a root prompt with the keyboard working and usb stick also working.
04:34<jm_>ok so it all works then?
04:35<josephjpasternack>but since the hardware does not match, none of it works. so I was hoping to start the installer now and reinstall on the correct hardware.
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04:36<jm_>that's normally not needed on linux - drivers are loaded on demand
04:37<josephjpasternack>I am using it to learn linux so I just need to get the network card up and working then ill figure it out from there. but I have no clue how to do that.
04:38<jm_>what kind of card is it?
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04:38<josephjpasternack>when I try to do a normal boot, it goes into a grub recovery
04:38<jm_>you mean initrd recovery prompt?
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04:39<josephjpasternack>it says "welcome to grub"
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04:39<jm_>and you don't see a menu or what?
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04:42<josephjpasternack>I just reed to restart it and it seems to have just booted into debian. but no network. I did the reboot so I could tell you what it said but it is not loading grub like it was for whatever reason now.
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04:44<jm_>ok let's forget about grub for now and try to fix the networking issue - is it running linux kernel now?
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04:45<josephjpasternack>yes
04:46<josephjpasternack>when I go to /dev there is no eth*
04:46<TobiX>josephjpasternack: Network devices don't have entries in /dev
04:47<josephjpasternack>:-/ oops
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04:47<jm_>ls /sys/class/net
04:47<jm_>does it exist?
04:48<josephjpasternack>it says "eth1 lo"
04:49<Nemoder_>sounds like the problem i just ran into doing the same thing, apparently udev reserved eth0 for the old NIC
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04:50<stderr>You can fix that in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
04:50<jm_>indeed
04:50<jm_>edit that file and comment out all entries
04:50<Nemoder_>hehe beat me to it, couldn't remember where that was
04:50<josephjpasternack>I was trying to find a way to put the install image onto the drive and boot from it to do the install but no luck finding info on how to do that.
04:50<jm_>!70
04:50<dpkg>udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: «udevadm trigger» or reload the relevant driver module. See also <udev>.
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04:54<josephjpasternack>I'm in the file in vi, what do I need to change?
04:54<jm_>comment out the entries for eth0 and eth1
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04:55<josephjpasternack>ok done, reboot?
04:55<jm_>or use udevadm trigger as mentioned above
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04:56<josephjpasternack>ok did the trigger
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04:58<txt-file>now "ls /sys/class/net" again
04:58<txt-file>it should show a eth0
04:59<josephjpasternack>yep eth0 lo
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04:59<txt-file>then try "/sbin/ifconfig eth0"
04:59<josephjpasternack>lol sweet I'm online!
05:00<bdog7>is there a debian channel for sid/unstable ?
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05:01<txt-file>bdog7: yeah #debian-next .. as stated in the topic
05:01<txt-file>josephjpasternack: wenn done
05:01<txt-file>s/wenn/well/
05:01<josephjpasternack>what does that do?
05:02<bdog7>ooops tanks txt-file
05:02<txt-file>s/foo/bar/ is a exprssion to correct a typo in a previous message
05:03<txt-file>replace foo with bar
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05:03<josephjpasternack>one last thing, I get a bunch of errors on boot, how do I check to see if other harddware is working properly or figure out what the errors are?
05:03<petn-randall>txt-file: So be precise it's a perl regex. You can do more than just word replacements ... :)
05:04<txt-file>:-)
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05:04<jm_>enable boot logging and check the logfile after boot - use a pastebin if you want us to take a look
05:05<jm_>it's "ed" command
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05:05<josephjpasternack>I got ssh to work so now I can copy and paste whatever you need to see
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05:05<jm_>but you probably don't see the errors now
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05:06<josephjpasternack>-bash: ed: command not found
05:06<jm_>that was not for you
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05:08<txt-file>i would check dmesg first
05:08<josephjpasternack>is there a way to get back into the installer to install things that I oped out of when installing on the other computer? I just put on the min with ssh.
05:09<txt-file>sure ... just use aptitude
05:09<jm_>just use apt to install the rest, but if you mean the menu with common options, that's tasksel
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05:09-!-And1 is "Andi R." on #debian @+#incafeucht #debian-next
05:09<txt-file>sound this is your first time with linux
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05:10<josephjpasternack>I have played a bit with it before but I am not switching everything over to linex.
05:10<josephjpasternack>linux*
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05:11<And1>Hello folks. I'm running debian wheezy in a jail on my FreeNAS and I'm experiencing one big problem there. I hope you can help me with this! I can't create files larger than ~4,1GB. http://paste.debian.net/80247/
05:11<josephjpasternack>I have been learning c, and want to do a bit more with php and mysql.
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05:12<txt-file>And1: sounds like a filesystem-problem to me
05:12<petn-randall>And1: What filesystem do you have? It probably doesn't support larger files.
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05:12<And1>petn-randall: The filesystem is ZFS.
05:12<jm_>or limits
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05:12<And1>Or it should be. How could I check that in my debian?
05:13<And1>Maybe debian thinks it's another file-system.
05:13<josephjpasternack>I have a raspberry pi, and I can move around in it decently but it is kind of setup for beginners.
05:13<And1>Or something like that.
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05:13<jm_>I sure hope your debian doesn't have fs identity crysis :)
05:13<txt-file>just run "mount" and serch for the line with /
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05:15<And1>txt-file, jm_, petn-randall: The output of 'mount': http://paste.debian.net/80249/
05:16<txt-file>oh yeah ... you said that this is freebsd with jails ... i have no clue how this works
05:16<txt-file>but i only see ufs and zfs anyway
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05:16<And1>In my /etc/fstab some UUID is mountet to / with fs 'ext4'... but ext4 also shouldn't be the problem. : /
05:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 666] by debhelper
05:17<petn-randall>And1: It's UFS, not ext4. No idea what setup you have that it's different.
05:17<josephjpasternack>txt-file dmesg looks like I have a lot of errors going on, would you like to take a look? I can pm it to you.
05:17<And1>I already filed a bugreport at FreeNAS's BTS, but they also seem to have no idea about that. : / https://bugs.freenas.org/issues/3970
05:18<txt-file>josephjpasternack: use a pastebin instaed. then all the others can also take a look if they want to
05:18<And1>petn-randall: Yes I just wondered what's going on there in my fstab. Didn't change anything there, so that should be ok.
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05:18<josephjpasternack>my concern is the huge hang on boot.
05:18<josephjpasternack>I'm not sure what that is, sorry for being a noob
05:19<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: Paste it on http://paste.debian.net, if it shows your credit card number replace it with X's.
05:20<petn-randall>And1: What does uname -a say?
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05:22<And1>petn-randall: Linux debian 3.9.9 FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE #0 r+2315ea3: Fri Dec 20 12:48:50 PST 2013 i686 GNU/Linux
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05:22<SynrG>i686?
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05:22<SynrG>why?
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05:24<SynrG>never mind. i guess i misread the first few comments.
05:24<And1>SynrG: I don't know. : x adm64 should make more sense here I think. (Intel Core2Duo 2,8GHz 64bit)...
05:24<petn-randall>And1: Hard to say, since you're not running a Linux, but a FreeBSD kernel. You should bring it up at FreeNAS and hope for the best.
05:24<josephjpasternack>Could not add your entry to the paste database:
05:24<josephjpasternack>Invalid format for name (no special chars, max 10 chars)
05:25<josephjpasternack>it will not let me upload the text
05:25<SynrG>And1: #4 and #6 are relevant.
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05:25<And1>petn-randall: Maybe I could try it in a freebsd channel. The FreeNAS guys don't have an idea since a few weeks...
05:25<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: Well, just write a shorter name there? It's only cosmetic, anyway.
05:25<And1>SynrG: So it is 64bit?
05:26<SynrG>And1: what Cyber Jock 10 says there is that " the Linux distro must be a 32-bit version and any applications installed into the jail must be available as a 32-bit binary"
05:26<SynrG>er, s/10//
05:27<josephjpasternack>http://paste.debian.net/80252
05:27<josephjpasternack>sry I didn't notice the name part.
05:28<txt-file>josephjpasternack: which lines?
05:28<And1>SynrG: Sorry could you explain what that means to me? ARE they 32bit? I think so, if there's "i686" and not "amd64"?
05:28<SynrG>And1: i'm guessing nobody has exactly the same setup you have. you'e on linux/kfreebsd? or ...
05:28<SynrG>er, debian/kfreebsd, i mean
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05:29<SynrG>And1: yes, that's a 32-bit kernel.
05:29<josephjpasternack>708 -
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05:31<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: Your drive /dev/sdb is having ATA errors. This means the ATA controller can't properly communicate with it. sdb is the 2 TB drive, not the 30 GB one.
05:31<SynrG>And1: anyway, i'll reiterate what petn-randall said: FreeNAS can help you with this. we can't. sorry.
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05:32<josephjpasternack>is there something I can do to fix it? the 2tb drive is where debian is loaded, the 30gb drive is a usb stick with the installer on it
05:32<And1>SynrG: Never mind, thanks for trying. I'm just getting stucked with this, since freenas also can't help for about three weeks now. : / That's why I tried it here.
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05:33<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: Turn off the computer, check the cables and connections, turn it on again. If the problem persists, you can check it with smartctl for errors.
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05:35<josephjpasternack>now I'm back to the grub screen, "error: hd0 out of disk"
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05:36<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: Boot from a live image, and check the drive with smartctl. It looks like the drive is failing.
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05:43<josephjpasternack>ok I guess I have to seat this whole mess over on another drive. is there a way to put the install files onto the new hard drive and start the install from there? just have it boot onto the new drive into the installer. load the files into ramdisk and format the drive, do the install?
05:44<josephjpasternack>START*
05:46<josephjpasternack>I can't boot from another other then the drive or PXE, just how this POS has box is setup for whatever reason. thats why I had to do the install on another computer then transfer the drive over.
05:47<josephjpasternack>NAS*
05:47<josephjpasternack>sorry for the typo's I've been going at this for a couple days now, I am far past needing sleep.
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05:50<josephjpasternack>If i put a new drive in the other computer and boot from usb, is there a way to check the disk from the installer before I do the install?
05:50<jm_>josephjpasternack: you can use debootstrap to install it too
05:51<josephjpasternack>jm_ can you explain a little further, I'm new to this.
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05:51<jm_>!debootstrap
05:51<dpkg>debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap
05:51<jm_>josephjpasternack: ^^^^^^^
05:53<josephjpasternack>I can't boot back into the computer I was just using anymore unfortunately.
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05:55<cousin_luigi>Greetings.
05:55<josephjpasternack>nvm just booted.
05:55<cousin_luigi>I have a getty -L ttyS0 in my inittab, how can I prevent it from respawning? I kind of need the serial port now.
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05:56<jm_>cousin_luigi: modify its entry in the inittab file
05:56<cousin_luigi>jm_: I would still need to reboot, won't I?
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05:57<jm_>cousin_luigi: no, you can run "telinit q"
05:57<cousin_luigi>jm_: oh
05:58<cousin_luigi>jm_: thanks, it worked
05:58<cousin_luigi>jm_: now, what serial terminal would you recommend?
05:58<jm_>cousin_luigi: no worries
05:59<jm_>cousin_luigi: I have only used minicom in linux, but it was quite a while ago
05:59<cousin_luigi>jm_: it's too heavy
05:59<cousin_luigi>nevermind, I'll google it
05:59<jm_>cousin_luigi: how is it too heavy?
05:59<bhuddah>why not screen?
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05:59<jm_>yeah screen works too apparently
06:00<cousin_luigi>bhuddah: can I use screen to connect to the serial?
06:00<bhuddah>yes.
06:00<bhuddah>consult the manpage.
06:00<cousin_luigi>thanks, I'll look into it
06:00<cousin_luigi>-> lunch
06:01<josephjpasternack>I got the computer to load off the bad drive with a second drive in there. can someone give me a crash corse in how to install onto second drive and be able to pull the first one out and boot off the new drive?
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06:05<jm_>josephjpasternack: check the web pages dpkg metnioned earlier
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06:08<josephjpasternack>I am trying to walk through it but honestly its kind of greek to me. I apologize.
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06:09<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: If the second drive is broken, any program starting from it won't be reliable. It's best and easiest to just install from scratch.
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06:10<josephjpasternack>petn-randall, the problem is that I can not boot off the usb disk/cd-rom and use a keyboard at the same time. thats where I am getting stuck.
06:10<josephjpasternack>the media smart server has 1 working usb on boot.
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06:11<josephjpasternack>even if I use a hub, only 1 device will work.
06:11<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: Why is that? How did you install in the first place?
06:12<josephjpasternack>petn-randall, I installed it in a different computer and swapped over the drive.
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06:13<josephjpasternack>thats why none of the hardware worked when I swapped it over until the guys here helped me get my network card working.
06:14<jm_>it worked, it was just using a different name
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06:17<josephjpasternack>should I just do the install from another computer again? I am not sure how Linux works when it comes to hardware, does it matter what it is installed on?
06:17<josephjpasternack>I know like windows for example will not let you move a drive from one computer to another.
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06:20<josephjpasternack>I was planning on stating in terminal until I understand the system better, but I don't want to make it to where I can't load X because the display, sound, etc is not working properly either.
06:20<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: You can put an Debian installation into another computer and boot that, as long as the CPU architectures are compatible. Why doesn't a USB hub work for you?
06:20<jm_>short of the issues you experienced before, no (there's a similar issue for cdrom, but I get it you don't have one)
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06:20<instigator>Hi all. if you are using public keys for ssh and fail2ban is installed, would it do nothing? cause the logs wouldnt show any incorrect password messages, as public keys doesnt use password authentication
06:21<cousin_luigi>Apparently I have problems on the root volume and can't install new apps.
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06:21<cousin_luigi>Is there an alternative to screen?
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06:21<cousin_luigi>That might be already installed, that is.
06:21<instigator>and so fail2ban wouldnt find any incorrect password in log when scanning
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06:22<petn-randall>cousin_luigi: No, none that are installed by default. tmux would be one.
06:22<cousin_luigi>ok
06:22<josephjpasternack>petn-randall, its just how the HP MediaSmart server was designed. I had to kind of hack the debug port to get a display on it.
06:22<petn-randall>instigator: fail2ban works fine with failed public key logins, if that's what you're asking for.
06:22<cousin_luigi>petn-randall: perhaps I only have too little free memory: can I flush caches somehow?
06:23<petn-randall>!bat
06:23<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
06:23<petn-randall>^^ cousin_luigi: provide any error messages you get.
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06:23<josephjpasternack>I am even locked out of the BIOS, But with windows, its loads up all the hardware before you get into the installer, so all of the usb ports turn on.
06:23<cousin_luigi>petn-randall: ok
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06:25<josephjpasternack>with debian, I can boot off the usb stick, but the keyboard does not work for me to flip through the installer.
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06:26<josephjpasternack>but if I want to learn, this is the only computer I have to work with. so I have to figure out a way to get it installed, or give up.
06:26<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: I'm just asking myself how they raped the USB spec to make devices on a USB hub not work. Either way, the safest bet is to do the disk swapping trick then.
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06:26<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: I wouldn't try installing Debian off a HDD that seems to be broken, you might run into problems that end up being impossible to debug.
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06:28<josephjpasternack>petn-randall, my idea was to prep the new drive so I can boot off it, and pitch the bad one. but right now I am booted into the bad one so I have the ability to prep the new drive and load whatever I need to on it. I wasn't going to try to image one drive to the other if the first drive is bad.
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06:29<cousin_luigi>petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/13e190fd/
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06:30<josephjpasternack>petn-randall, right now I am ssh'ed into the box with both drives in it.
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06:31<cousin_luigi>petn-randall: nevermind, I stopped bind9 and everything works now
06:31<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: I see what you mean, but if you e.g. use debootstrap, you'll never know if it gets loaded proper from the unreliable drive. Any problem you'll run into you'll have to ask yourself: "Is this because of the HDD errors?"
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06:32<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: You can install smartmontools and run 'smartctl -a /dev/sdx', sdx being your broken drive.
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06:32<josephjpasternack>ill do that right now
06:33<petn-randall>cousin_luigi: You're probably running out of memory. Check that.
06:33<cousin_luigi>petn-randall: yes, I can't help it, it's a very limited SBC
06:34<cousin_luigi>petn-randall: but my main concern now is that rcconf removed every daemon that was supposed to start
06:34<josephjpasternack>how do I tell which drive it is?
06:35<josephjpasternack>mount -l does not show me /dev/sd*
06:35<jm_>josephjpasternack: grep '.' /sys/block/*/device/model
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06:35<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: fdisk -l
06:36<josephjpasternack>/dev/sda1 * 2048 3898679295 1949338624 83 Linux
06:36<josephjpasternack>/dev/sda2 3898681342 3907028991 4173825 5 Extended
06:36<josephjpasternack>/dev/sda5 3898681344 3907028991 4173824 82 Linux swap / Solaris
06:36<josephjpasternack>so I'm after sda1 correct?
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06:38<cousin_luigi>is rcconf still recommended?
06:39<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: Don't paste into the channel! A line more, and the bot would have kicked you. Check the /topic.
06:39<ixi>cousin_luigi I use sysv-rc-conf, it works fine
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06:39<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: sda was all the drives it showed?
06:39<josephjpasternack>I apologize
06:40<josephjpasternack>petn-randall, the other drive is still ntfs if that makes a difference.
06:40<josephjpasternack>but yes just sda
06:40<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: The partitions and filesystems are irrelevant, we're just trying to find out which disk is the faulty one.
06:41<josephjpasternack>grep shows me both
06:41<josephjpasternack>grep '.' /sys/block/*/device/model
06:41<josephjpasternack>the thing i pasted in the windows was fdisk -l
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06:42<josephjpasternack>grep shows me sda and sdb being identical drives.
06:42<josephjpasternack>which they are.
06:43<cousin_luigi>ixi: ok, will try
06:43<jm_>heh not much help then
06:43<jm_>I was hoping they'd be different model to easily distinguish them
06:44<josephjpasternack>http://paste.debian.net/80258
06:45<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: Then just run "smartctl -a /dev/sdx' on both of them.
06:47<instigator> petn-randall: I tested by trying to login into ssh server (with no private key) but fail2ban log showed no message and didnt ban me
06:47<josephjpasternack>http://paste.debian.net/80260
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06:51<josephjpasternack>now I am kind of lost, it shows errors on sdb, but not sda. but sda is the drive giving errors.
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06:52<jm_>josephjpasternack: your issues may not be drives, it may also be cabling or PSU related
06:53<josephjpasternack>it has a backplane
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06:54<josephjpasternack>but I ran the WD hard drive test tool on both drives on this box under windows and everything was fine.
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06:57<josephjpasternack>is there a chkdisk or something of that sort for debian?
06:57<themill>fsck
06:57<jm_>for such drives a simple read of the entire drive is used, man badblocks, but we already know kernel is reporting errors
06:58<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: Can you paste the output of the smartctl runs?
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06:59<josephjpasternack>I did ^
06:59<josephjpasternack>http://paste.debian.net/80258
06:59<josephjpasternack>thats for both drives
06:59<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: Ah sorry, missed it.
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07:00<josephjpasternack>np I truly appreciate the help
07:00<jm_>how old are these drives?
07:00<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: FAILED!
07:01<josephjpasternack>years, but they pretty much sat idle or spun down the whole time.
07:01<jm_>right, load cycle count confirms that
07:01<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: Both drives are bust, the one has several thousand defekt sectors (Serial Number: WD-WMAZA0775000), the other already has ~100.
07:01<petn-randall>s/defekt/defect/
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07:02<josephjpasternack>I was going to try to adjust the backplane and start over ir is that the drives being bad for sure?
07:02<jm_>i thought the one is on 0
07:03<jm_>the *first* one
07:03<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: Look at the output of smartctl. The relevant data can be shown with 'smartct -A /dev/sda' (not the capital A).
07:03<petn-randall>*note
07:04<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: Relevant info is the "FAILING NOW", the Reallocated_Sector_Ct, Current_Pending_Sector and Offline_Uncorrectable.
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07:08<josephjpasternack>every single value is at it worst or over, that doesn't seem odd?
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07:09<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: Well, "power_on_hours" won't get less with time, right? The relevant ones in your case are the ones I mentioned. The others are okish.
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07:10<petn-randall>josephjpasternack: Anyways, I'd send those disks back if you still have warranty.
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07:13<josephjpasternack>I think they are out of warranty. Ill just have to get some new ones.
07:14<josephjpasternack>I don't have the receipts for them if they were.
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07:16<josephjpasternack>How big of a drive/file will ext4 support?
07:17<jm_>bigger than you can afford
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07:19<josephjpasternack>I have 4 of these WD green 2tb drives, ill be safe getting 2 4th drives? I didn't know if there was a partition limit or file size limit like windows.
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07:20<jm_>naah 4T will be fine, it's well bellow its limits
07:20<cousin_luigi>rcconf made an unholy mess with my rc, I needed services to start in a certain order and now it's all gone
07:20<cousin_luigi>it's not even the first time:|
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07:22<josephjpasternack>I have bad luck with hard drives, is the life better on SSD's?
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07:23<jm_>can't say, i never had really bad drives, one with 1 bad sector which continued to work for years after that, don't have ssd long enough to say
07:23<jm_>hopfeully this doesn't mean my current set of drives wills tart failing
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07:24<Devastatr>can someone please review and comment this bugreport I'm willing to send? http://codepad.org/IlLJcJGu
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07:25<cousin_luigi>Is there an easy way to renumber daemon startup scripts in /etc/rc?.d ?
07:25<josephjpasternack>it just gets expensive to mirror the patter drives, I just want to get something that will hold the data without wording about them.
07:25<josephjpasternack>worrying
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07:27<jm_>Devastatr: is this about pre/post scripts etc.?
07:27<Devastatr>jm_ yes
07:28<jm_>Devastatr: don't you get interface name as "$1"?
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07:29<Devastatr>jm_ it exports as IFACE
07:29<Devastatr>and LOGICAL
07:29<jm_>Devastatr: the example scripts in /usr/share/docr/ifupdown/examples all use $1
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07:30<Devastatr>jm_ the name of iface is fine the way it is, what I suggest is iface parameter with iface name
07:31<jm_>Devastatr: but that's my point - why if you can already get it as $1?
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07:37<Devastatr>jm_ one sec, I will try to show what I mean
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08:06<Devastatr>jm_ look at this paste, please, http://codepad.org/GnCXKc3b can you tell which IF_ADDRESS is from which interface? it is probably easy because I'm dumping all the variables in sequence
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08:11<jm_>Devastatr: is this the output of env?
08:11<Devastatr>jm_ yes
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08:11<jm_>Devastatr: and what do you get if you also add echo "$@"?
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08:13<Devastatr>you mean `env >> /tmp/file` and a second line `echo "$@" >> /tmp/file`?
08:13<jm_>yup
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08:14<Devastatr>jm_ will try, but I have to leave for half an hour or so, can I get back to you?
08:15<jm_>Devastatr: I will be gone at that time too - your request looks clear to me anyway, I was just wondering if you don't already have the required value in "$1"
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08:22<cousin_luigi>hello, again
08:22<cousin_luigi>can't start mysql anymore...
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08:22<cousin_luigi>how can I start it by hand without daemonising it so to see what's happening?
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08:37<afsal>login is slow in debian wheezy
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08:38<abrotman>that's vague ...
08:39<platon>pollas
08:39<primerobatc_>HHHOOOOOP
08:39<platon>quienes sois meros mortales¿
08:39<stderr>platon: English, please...
08:40<afsal>after entering password it takes time to show desktop
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08:41<platon>i'm sorry i only speak germanny
08:42<stderr>!de
08:42<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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08:42<nadir>afsal: which destkop environment, which display-manager, etc.
08:43<afsal>nadir: it is gnome 3
08:43<txt-file>#j #debian.de
08:43<stderr>afsal: Any errors in ~/.xsession-errors ?
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08:44<el>biiiiiitcheeeeees
08:44<platon>pollaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas
08:44<platon>a montoneees
08:44<stderr>!ops el and platon
08:44<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: stderr complains about: el and platon
08:44<el>what r u doing??
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08:45<stderr>Ganneff: There are others from the same host.
08:45<Maulkin>!es-social
08:45<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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08:45<reshad>hi, I just installed LXDE on debian for the first time, and cant shutdown. I need to add my user to the powerdev group, but there is no such group.
08:46<primerobatc_>Hello guys
08:46<reshad>is there a package I need to install
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08:46<stderr>Ganneff: Like: primerobatc_ and Xx_DarKFrIKi_xX_xD
08:46<reshad>am i missing some config
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08:46<primerobatc_>install your dick in a pussy
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08:46<@Ganneff>stderr: no, there arent.
08:46<stderr>:-)
08:46<afsal>stderr: is this an error? console.error: lightbeam: log blocking 0 sites
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08:47<me>I accidentally clicked "save forever in gnome keyring" when I typed in a passphrase for an encrypted usb drive in thunar on xfce debian. How do I undo this?
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08:47<stderr>afsal: I don't know what lightbeam is... Maybe.
08:48<afsal>stderr: it is an iceweasel plugin
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08:49<stderr>afsal: My point was to check if there's any errors in the log file that could explain why it takes so long to log in.
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08:51<afsal>stderr: I will paste .xsession-errors, is that okay?
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08:51<stderr>afsal: On paste.debian.net? Sure.
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08:54<afsal>stderr: here http://paste.debian.net/80272/
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08:57<stderr>afsal: Looks like you're starting (or at least trying to start) a bunch of programs on login. Check if you need all of them.
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08:58<stderr>afsal: Is it equally slow, if you log in as another user or is it just your account?
08:58<me>can I flush the gnome keyring entries...???
08:59<afsal>stderr: Only one account
08:59<afsal>stderr: how i check them??
08:59<stderr>afsal: adduser to add a user...
09:00<stderr>Well, you said lightbeam is an iceweasel plugin. Do you need it?
09:01<afsal>stderr: but it is not installed...
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09:02<abrotman>that was cute ..
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09:02<stderr>afsal: Something think it is, otherwise you wouldn't get an error message about it, would you?
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09:03<afsal>stderr: oh no
09:03<stderr>afsal: But anyway that's a bad example, cause it shouldn't start until you start iceweasel and your problem was logging in, not starting iceweasel.
09:03<afsal>stderr: yes
09:03<nadir>me If it was me i would look if seahorse can help with that. That is a wild guess, of course. (I had the problem and found no solution)
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09:04<nadir>damn me: ^^
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09:05<stderr>afsal: Try creating another user and see if it takes a long time to log in as that user too.
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09:06<afsal>stderr: pls waite i want check in another account
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09:10<me>nadir: are you suggesting i install seahorse?
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09:11<nadir>if no one has a better idea for you, it won't hurt (as long you use an environment like gnome, xfce or such)
09:12<me>isn't there a text file somewhere that i could just delete?
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09:14<me>I found a coule directories like this /home/me/.cache/keyring-UWqSAu
09:14<me>*couple
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09:15<afsal>stderr: are you there?
09:16<stderr>Yes?
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09:16<Devastatr>as suggested by jm_, which is not here anymore, I've added `echo "$@" >> /tmp/file` to if-pre-up.d and if-up.d scripts respectively, it creates /tmp/file but it is empty
09:16<nadir>me: i assume there is such a file, but i simply doesn't know. seahorse was just a wild and vague idea. If it was me i would go for it (back-it-up somehwere, then rm)
09:17<Devastatr>just trying to figure if what I'm suggesting is reasonable or not: http://codepad.org/IlLJcJGu
09:17<afsal>stderr: my account takes 27 sec, and other account takes 21 sec. It happen only when restart
09:17<nadir>afsal: i would also try a different window-manager now (fluxbox, icewm, what-you-like)
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09:17<nadir>afsal: and then i would try without display-manager, but with "startx"
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09:18<afsal>nadir: sounds like risky...
09:18<nadir>afsal: no
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09:19<stderr>afsal: Maybe you're trying to log in while the system is still trying to start various services, running dhclient, mount NFS-dirs, tons of other stuff that uses the CPU too...
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09:19<afsal>nadir: i think this is metacity
09:20<afsal>stderr: then what i do?
09:20<nadir>install fluxbox and pick it in the gdm login window.
09:21<nadir>this is basic troubleshooting (a different user, a different environment/window-manager, a different or no display-manager)
09:21<stderr>Devastatr: "As an example, currently it shows IF_ADDRESS=192.168.1.10 and IF_ADDRESS=10.0.0.5"? One env. var. has two values? How?
09:22<afsal>nadir: i tried different user
09:22<nadir>i am done.
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09:23<stderr>afsal: Try different window managers and so on too... And try waiting a while after rebooting before you log in. Maybe your system is simply busy...
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09:29<afsal>stderr: how i disble gdm?
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09:30<stderr>afsal: /etc/init.d/gdm stop should stop it. (Or is it gdm3? I can't remember. Tab is your friend...)
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09:30<me>do items in " /home/me/.cache/ " get autogenerated? If I delete something in there and it is important, will it get regenerated on reboot?
09:31<usrnix>"debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable" Anyone know a fix?
09:31<afsal>stderr: yes gdm3
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09:31<stderr>me: Instead of delete, you could rename.
09:34<Stummi>me according to the freedesktop standard, .cache is a directory where non-essential data should be written. Assuming all your software is standard compilant, deleting .cache should be harmless
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09:34<stderr>Stummi: BAHAHAHA!!!
09:35<Stummi>hm?
09:36<stderr>Assuming software is standard compliant? :-)
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09:36<me>thanks for the help guys. now I'll go see if I'm standard compliant...
09:36<Stummi>well, the most software on debian is standard compilant when its about using the correct directory for things
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09:37<nadir>me: like stderr said, it often is a good idea to rename instead of remove. In this case it probably is not the end of the world, but it's good to get in the habit
09:38<nadir>rename, check if it helped, if it didn't: rename back, if it did: remove the renamed file
09:38<nadir>in addition to that a general backup of (at minimum) etc and the hidden home files, say weekly, is another good idea. And not much work
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09:49<me>happy to report I'm standards compliant. :)
09:50<stderr>me: What time is it?
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09:51<me>clearing the cache and keyring files in my home directory did the trick. they were regenerated to a default state on reboot
09:51<me>stderr: it's miller time
09:52<stderr>So you're not ISO 8601 compliant...
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10:18<jblaze>I've got my first external HD but i'm having problems mounting it. Running ls /dev/ shows the device as 'sdb' but it is not listed by fdisk for some reason.
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10:18<jblaze>Trying to mount the disk returns the error: you must specify the filesystem type
10:18<jblaze>Anyone know what this filesystem type should be?
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10:19<stderr>jblaze: If there's no partition table on the disk yet, fdisk -l doesn't have anything to show.
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10:19<stderr>What does file -s /dev/sdb say?
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10:20<jblaze>empty
10:21<Flavianus>jblaze: Unplug the drive, run dmesg -w, plug the drive in. What does it say?
10:21<stderr>jblaze: Empty? Odd... What does ls -l /dev/sdb say?
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10:23<jblaze>stderr: brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 8, 16 Feb 5 15:22 /dev/sdb
10:23<stderr>Flavianus: -w?
10:23<Flavianus>stderr: Same as --follow. Basically does thesame as the -f flag in tail
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10:24<stderr>dmesg: invalid option -- 'w'
10:24<jblaze>Flavianus: invalid option -- 'w'
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10:25<Flavianus>That's weird
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10:25<ookla>huhu
10:25<stderr>Flavianus: Are you on wheezy too?
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10:26<Flavianus>Righto. My bad, sorry. I was SSHed into an Arch box, that explains a lot
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10:28<stderr>jblaze: It's very odd that file -s says empty. And it's very odd that /dev/sdb has group "floppy", not "disk". Are you running wheezy?
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10:29<jblaze>stderr: Yes, I'm running wheezy
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10:30<jblaze>when connected under /dev/disk by-path appears. However there isn't a listing under uuid
10:32<stderr>What happens if you run file -s on the device under /dev/disk/by-path?
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10:32<stderr>... the new device under ...
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10:34<jblaze>/dev/disk/by-path/pci-0000:00:1d.7-usb-0:2:1.0-scsi-0:0:0:0: symbolic link to `../../sdb'
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10:34<stderr>D'oh... I meant file -sL
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10:36<jblaze>Same as before. No read permission.
10:36<jblaze>Also sudo-ing that command returns empty
10:36<stderr>That's NOT the same as before. You said "empty".
10:37<jblaze>Sorry. My fault
10:38<stderr>Does "dmesg" say anything about it?
10:40<jblaze>A few things. Test WP failed, assume Write enabled
10:40<jblaze>sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] Asking for cache data failed
10:40<ookla>is there any fix for rtl8192cu ? for password and handshaking ?!
10:41<jblaze>Don't want to flood the chat with a paste
10:41<ookla>it scans but it doesnt connect :S
10:41<jblaze>EXT4-fs (sdb): unable to read superblock
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10:42<stderr>jblaze: paste.debian.net
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10:44<jblaze>stderr: Thanks http://paste.debian.net/80293/
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10:46<Mongo44>How do I get to ttyl from terminal.
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10:47<stderr>tty1 or ttyl?
10:47<ookla>woot
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10:47<ookla>you have to mount the cdrom oO
10:47<ookla>:P
10:47<ookla>from boot stderr?:P
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10:48<petn-randall>I'm planning on moving a Ubuntu lucid server to Debian wheezy. Since we don't have a second machine to migrate the data to step-by-step, I'm thinking of using debootstrap to install wheezy, and then migrate every service over into the chroot. And when it's done, I can boot into Debian. Does anyone have a better idea? Any up/downsides of this method?
10:48<Mongo44>I use the cntrl+alt+F1 combination and I get to it in the host OS. I want it for my VM.
10:48<ookla>is it big the server?
10:49<petn-randall>It's the main productive server in our shop, so minimizing downtime is crucial.
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10:50<petn-randall>And it's full of locally built services, so migration will be a pain anyway.
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10:52<Mongo44>I have to find another way to get to the console.
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10:53<stderr>jblaze: I notice that you're using "ehci-pci". That's USB 2.0 as far as I remember. But the disk claims to be USB 3.0. That would be xhci-pci, if I'm not mistaken.
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10:54<stderr>jblaze: As far as I know, it should just downgrade to USB 2.0, but I could be mistaken. Maybe that's why it doesn't work.
10:54<stderr>I don't have any other ideas why it doesn't work...
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10:55<stderr>Mongo44: Why do you need a console and not just a terminal?
10:56<jblaze>stderr: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B009HXWTGO/ref=noref/279-7579693-9626325?ie=UTF8&psc=1&s=computers it's this model in particular. It says it should be 2.0 compatible so I'm just as confused
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10:56<jblaze>Ok no worries thanks for your time and patience
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10:56<Mongo44>I am following instructions on how to change screen resolution for Lubuntu.
10:57<stderr>!Lubuntu
10:57<dpkg>Lubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with <LXDE>. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.lubuntu.net/ #lubuntu on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
10:58<Mongo44>The command for Lubuntu is probably the same though.
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10:58<stderr>jblaze: Does it work on other computers? It could be a hardware error.
10:58<stderr>Mongo44: Maybe...
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11:10<jblaze>I think you may be right stderr: Just tried connecting it to a windows machine and it doesn't seem to be detected properly on that either
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11:11<me>for those of you that use gnupg. is seahorse the preferred app for managing keys? Or do you just cli? What is the preferred method for gpg encryption on debian?
11:11*TobiX <-- CLI person
11:11<stderr>me: I just use gpg2.
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11:11<TobiX>kgpg was quite nice the last time I used it...
11:12<me>i'm running xfce, and testing out icedove with enigmail.... I noticed that I have gpg and gpg2 installed... trying to learn how to use this stuff...
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11:15<Mongo44>Does anyone know how to enter console without using the keyboard shorcut?
11:16<stderr>me: gnupg is the older version. gnupg2 is a bit more modular. I have no idea why apt depends on "gnupg" and not "either gnupg or gnupg2"...
11:16<Devastatr>stderr it's 2 interfaces, so it sets for one interface and to the other
11:16<stderr>Mongo44: Stop X?
11:17<Devastatr>stderr it was an example, but if you want I can show a real file
11:17<rpetre>hello, i'm trying to use a debian netinst stick to set up luks on a new disk and cryptsetup says the device is still in use, any idea how to find out who-s using it? there's nothing mounted from that disk and no /dev/mapper device active on it
11:17<stderr>Devastatr: Don't they use the same options? (I haven't used gnupg in a long, long time, only gnupg2)
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11:18<stderr>Argh! Just noticed the time. Gotta go...
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11:23<m2og3>Hello
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11:30<jblaze>stderr: it probably doesn't help that it is formatted as NTFS
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11:32<josephjpasternack>can I make tightvncserver start on boot under a user rather then root?
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11:53<leo>Hi all, Linux newbie on Debian Unstable. I'm reading a tuxradar.com article about the desktop Linux sound stack; it says that ALSA talks directly to hardware, and that PulseAudio is a layer that sits on top of ALSA and acts like ALSA, then does its own thing, then uses ALSA to actually produce audio output. Is this still true? Will sound not work without ALSA?
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11:57<Devastatr>stderr still here?
11:58<sney>leo: that's correct
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11:58<sney>leo: there's also OSS, which was what linux used for sound before ALSA, and it's still available in some configurations. but by default it's ALSA, which is part of your kernel.
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12:00<leo>sney: Thanks! The article was written in 2010 so I wasn't sure if PulseAudio had changed since then. But it's good to finally be getting some sense of what's going on when my headphones don't work :P
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12:01<sney>leo: also, debian unstable is completely unpredictable and often breaks easily. if you're a linux newbie you should be using something a little more reliable until you know what's going on
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12:06<Devastatr>damn, when I find someone to help, they have to go :(
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12:08<sney>Devastatr: if the question is about your wishlist bug, why not file it? it seems like a reasonable enough idea to me
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12:09<Devastatr>sney and that's exactly what I want to consider, if it's reasonable or not, because I know lots of people file bugs without discussing etc
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12:10<Devastatr>sney I'm gonna file it then, thanks for reviewing
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12:21<ookla>anyone for a leagueoflegends game ?
12:21<ookla>or a couple of games
12:21<ookla>:)
12:22<leo>ookla: Haha if I ever get the sound to work maybe :P
12:22<Maulkin>I'd suggest people in #debian-offtopic may be more receptive... :)
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12:27<mark># ciao a tutti
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12:35<Radon_3>hello everyone, how can I see a list of recent updates that have been applied to my debian system?
12:37<mtn>Radon_3: log files are in /var/log I believe
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12:40<Radon_3>which one of the log files is about debian updates?
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12:43<trico> /var/log/apt/history.log
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12:50<Radon_3>ok, and please do not kick me out of the channel for asking the following question, but where can I see a list of the latest made-available updates for debian?
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12:52<roughnecks>for stable?
12:52<Radon_3>yeap, sorry for not being complete and exact :(
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12:52<roughnecks>!dsa
12:52<dpkg>[dsa] Debian Security Announcement, see http://www.debian.org/security/ and http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ ; RSS feeds at http://www.debian.org/security/dsa (titles only) and http://www.debian.org/security/dsa-long (summaries). Ask me about <dsa lookup DSA-nnnn> for information about the packages affected. See also <tracker of doom>, <debsecan>, <dsa team>.
12:52<Radon_3>yes, for stable
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12:54<Radon_3>ok, but my debian has made the following updates, that I can't find them on any of these lists: pgrade: libcurl3-gnutls:i386 (7.26.0-1+wheezy7, 7.26.0-1+wheezy8), libcurl3:i386 (7.26.0-1+wheezy7, 7.26.0-1+wheezy8)
12:54<Radon_3>*upgrade: libcurl3-gnutls:i386 (7.26.0-1+wheezy7, 7.26.0-1+wheezy8), libcurl3:i386 (7.26.0-1+wheezy7, 7.26.0-1+wheezy8)
12:54<roughnecks>that's curl
12:54<Radon_3>yes it is, so?
12:54<Argure`>http://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-2849
12:54<roughnecks>31/01
12:56<Radon_3>ok, I read the 'more information' part, and I understand that this is not much of a security issue for a desktop only debian, am I right?
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12:56<Radon_3>this would be serious for hosts I think, thhhis curl thingy, am I right?
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12:57<petn-randall>Radon_3: In general, every package has a changelog in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/changelog.Debian(.gz). You can there read the reason for the update.
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12:57<petn-randall>Radon_3: You can also install apt-listchanges to conveniently get those changes displayed before upgrading.
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12:59<Radon_3>I don't have a problem with debian update and stuff, it's just that I am from Iran, and in the last 5-7 days I was forced to use wi-fi, my phone gprs, and other stuff to connect my debian to the Ineternet, as you might have gussed I am very much worried if I have been hacked or maybe got the wrong update packages
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13:00<Argure`>debian packages are generally signed using gpg
13:00<Argure`>verify authenticity with that
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13:00<Radon_3>also my keyboard keeps skipping some letters once in a while, which worries me about some third party having installed a sort of unknown keylogger or rootkit on my debian
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13:02<petn-randall>Radon_3: If someone would try to do a man in the middle attack on your Debian repository, apt would notice the broken gpg signatures and abort with a big fat warning, so no worries.
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13:04<Radon_3>ok, what about someone installing unwanted rootkits on my debian while I was on those unsafe network connections? one of the ISPs seems highly suspicious to me, like they want to have a client on all PCs sort of thing
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13:04<Radon_3>but my current ISP seems much better
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13:05<Radon_3>they tend to not f#$K with the customers a lot
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13:05<Radon_3>only the last few days are what worry me a bit
13:05<Radon_3>while I was not on safe networks
13:06<Argure`>connecting to an unsafe network does not magically create vulnerabilities in debian
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13:06<Argure`>the main thing you would have to worry about when connecting to unsafe networks is traffic being intercepted
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13:06<Argure`>this is why encryption exists
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13:08<Radon_3>Argure`: oh, now I am feeling alright again, and thanks for reminding me about encryption and stuff... Well, I think I should head to windows and see if that is alright too. cause during those days I used both windows and debian
13:08<Radon_3>thanks a lot folks,
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13:08<Radon_3>lot
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13:09<BigPig>hi
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13:10<BigPig>what is the use of security.debian.org repository in sources.list ?
13:10<Mongo44>This is my modified /etc/X11/xorg.conf. The damn thing still boots in 640x480.
13:10<Mongo44>http://paste.ubuntu.com/6880498/
13:10<stderr_dk>BigPig: Security updates.
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13:10<Radon_3>Mongo44: I will be more than hapy to help you man
13:10<Mongo44>Oh wrong channel.
13:10<Radon_3>Mongo44: I have been working on xorg thingy for a while now
13:11<Mongo44>I should be in Ubuntu.
13:11<Mongo44>But if you can help that would be great.
13:11<BigPig>stderr_dk: security updates are not included in the main repository ?
13:11<Radon_3>Mongo44: no, it doesn't matter much, you will not find a better person than me anyway, or if you do, they don't have time for xorg anymore
13:12<BigPig>i have ftp.debian.org main and security.debian.org updates
13:12<Radon_3>Mongo44: PM me and you will find much joy talking to me and solving your problem
13:13<Mongo44>Well I tried to modify /xorg.conf the way it describes here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Monitor_or_Screens
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13:13<stderr_dk>Mongo44: Why don't you ask in the (L)Ubuntu channel?
13:14<MrFrood>!tell Mongo44 about xorg config
13:15<Mongo44>Sorry I am having a private chat now. I will try not to post on the wrong channel again.
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13:15<stderr_dk>BigPig: Not at first.
13:16<BigPig>does that mean that security updates go into the security.debian.org repository and not in the main repository ?
13:16<petn-randall>BigPig: Yes.
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13:16<BigPig>so the main repository never changes ?
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13:18<stderr_dk>BigPig: Main changes when a new point releases is being made. But that doesn't happen that often.
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13:18<stderr_dk>BigPig: Is there a reason why you ask? It sort of sounds like you want to remove security.debian.org from your sources.list
13:18<BigPig>i try to understand
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13:19<BigPig>what if i leave only security.debian.org
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13:20<BigPig>seems strange to separate main from security
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13:20<stderr_dk>Then you can't install all packages, only those that have been updated.
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13:21<BigPig>if i leave security.debian.org i should also be able to install new packages but only those which have been updated for security right ?
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13:22<stderr_dk>If there are no security updates for "foo", it won't be on security.debian.org. If that's all you got in your sources.list, you can't install "foo".
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13:23<petn-randall>BigPig: There's no point in discussing this. You need all repositories to have a complete Debian. If you only have one, this is not Debian, it's Frankendebian.
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13:24<BigPig>yes but suppose i do not install foo, then there is a security update of foo and its included in security.debian.org. after that i can install foo even though i do not have main in my repo list
13:24<stderr_dk>petn-randall: ftp.debian.org without security.debian.org is not frankendebian.
13:24<rryoumaa>more like procrustedebian
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13:25<stderr_dk>BigPig: Yes... But "bar" might depend on "foo", so you can't install "bar" either... Even if "bar" is in security.debian.org.
13:25<petn-randall>stderr_dk: Our opinions may differ. The other way round you'll have an incomplete system that will make many parts not installable.
13:25<BigPig>stderr_dk ok
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13:25<stderr_dk>petn-randall: True. Security without the regular repository is weird and broken.
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13:27<stderr_dk>petn-randall: You wouldn't call the install CD frankendebian, would you?
13:27<BigPig>how would you configure debian systems where all the updates have to be installed on a test system, say 2 weeks before being installed on production servers ? I was thinking about creating local mirrors with some kind of snapshots with lvm
13:27<petn-randall>stderr_dk: Ok, ok, I guess we can agree on that :)
13:27<BigPig>the issue here is that the updates that have been available after the 2 weeks period must not be included in the production servers
13:28<BigPig>only those that have been tested during 2 weeks
13:28<petn-randall>BigPig: What about those security updates during those two weeks?
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13:28<BigPig>petn-randall : have to be installed later
13:28<BigPig>security updates have to be installed only after having spent 2 weeks on test system
13:28<stderr_dk>BigPig: The easy solution would be to look what's going to be install when you run an upgrade on the production servers.
13:29<TobiX>BigPig: Those systems are not connected to the internet?
13:29<petn-randall>BigPig: Wow, that's quite a long time. I hope those aren't servers connected to the 'net.
13:29<BigPig>just an example
13:29<BigPig>and not facing the internet of course
13:30<TobiX>BigPig: You could probably use a similar setup to snapshot.debian.org...
13:31<BigPig>interesting
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13:31<BigPig>but then i would need to constantly change my sources.list to advance in time
13:32<BigPig>should not be too difficult scripting
13:32<TobiX>BigPig: Well, you could use a cron job on the server to set a symlink to now-2weeks
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13:34<BigPig>a symlink on sources.list ?
13:34<TobiX>BigPig: Or just change the snapshot webapp to provide you a virtual "2 weeks ago" directory
13:34<BigPig>i was thinking about a script modifying sources.list
13:34<BigPig>every 2 weels
13:34<BigPig>ks
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13:36<jcrow>hey debian ppl. i just updated from wheezy to jessie and now i find that lxde is acting a little funny. is this a known issue?
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13:36<stderr_dk>jcrow: Try #debian-next
13:36<jcrow>lxde seems to start ok, but no lxpanel is started.
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13:37<BigPig>do you maintain 100's servers and if yes how do you automate security updates ?
13:37<jcrow>i can start it myself in the terminal with "lxpanel &". but it's a little funny that it doesn't just get started automatically, right? it used to do so before the upgrade. does anyone know about changes to lxde config when upgrading to jessie?
13:37<BigPig>applying automatically the latest updates might break some apps
13:37<jcrow>stderr_dk, ok thanks
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13:41<jcrow>all is very quiet in #debian-next
13:41<jcrow>are you sure that's the right place?
13:41<BigPig>i would say here too
13:41<stderr_dk>BigPig: Security updates fixes security issues. They don't provide new features and the interfaces should stay the same if at all possible, so unless your apps uses one of the bugs you should be safe.
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13:42<BigPig>stderr_dk like you mentionned apps might break
13:42<stderr_dk>jcrow: That's what it says in the topic for this channel: "testing/unstable: #debian-next"
13:42<stderr_dk>BigPig: I did? When?
13:42<BigPig>"unless your app uses"
13:43<jcrow>stderr_dk, ok well maybe i need to check in the room on freenode. idk, in the past i've found the debian irc rooms to be quite full and boisterous.
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13:44<BigPig>no point in arguing about this though. installing updates on production servers without properly testing them through automated app testing will lead to issues some day
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13:44<stderr_dk>BigPig: If your app uses a bug, they're clearly not very well written.
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13:45<BigPig>stderr_dk yes. it can happen.
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13:46<petn-randall>BigPig: The security updates for single packages are usually far apart. You could test them on your 'test servers', then just install those packages on production by explicitly install them with version number, e.g. 'apt-get install foo=1.2.3-4'. Of course you'd have to script this first.
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13:46<BigPig>can you uninstall a security update ?
13:46<stderr_dk>BigPig: I haven't seen any examples of that in any quality code.
13:47<BigPig>stderr_dk i have never seen a rhino. it does not mean it does not exist
13:47<petn-randall>BigPig: You could revert to the version before with snapshots.debian.org, yes.
13:47<BigPig>petn-randall ok
13:47<BigPig>will it update to a previous version ?
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13:48<BigPig>say i update pkg foo from 1.0 to 1.1 and then i want to reinstall 1.0
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13:49<BigPig>ok looks possible
13:49<BigPig>good
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13:51<petn-randall>BigPig: It's possible, though it will involve a lot of scripting on your part.
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13:56<Devastatr>stderr just to let you know that I filed the wishlist bug, thanks for your considerations :)
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13:57<stderr_dk>Devastatr: Remind me what you're talking about...
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13:58<Devastatr>stderr_dk the bugreport I wanted to submit about ifupdown
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13:59<Devastatr>the IF_ADDRESS env var etc
13:59<stderr_dk>Oh... Ok.
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14:00<Devastatr>I wish I had enough confidence to submit without bothering so many people hehe
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14:25<charpent>I have a pair of problems with hibernating/sleeping mu Asus laptop :
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14:26<charpent>1: It does not sleep on "Fn-F2" as it did when I installed Jessie last fall
14:26<charpent>(but it does when calling gnome's system menu item "sleep")
14:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 704] by debhelper
14:27<charpent>2: it does not hibernate, neither through the gnome's system menu item "hibernate" nor the power button.
14:27<charpent>(Tis also worked at Jessie's installation).
14:28<charpent>A look at Debian bug reports was unsuccessful, but I'm not sure my look was efficient.
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14:29<charpent>Any hints on configuration checklis before yelling "Bug !" ?
14:35<charpent>Hmmm... Apparently, Im talking alone...
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14:40<petn-randall>charpent: This is IRC, it can take an hour or two for people to answer sometimes.
14:41<petn-randall>charpent: So this worked on jessie, but doesn't work on wheezy? Or what release do you have now?
14:42<charpent>I'm still following Jessie (which is posterior to Wheezy, not anterior !)
14:43<petn-randall>charpent: Ah, then you want to change over to #debian-next, where jessie/sid are supported. This channel is for stable only.
14:44<charpent>Thank you. I didn't know that. And I should learn how to use IRC :-) ! Thanks again !
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15:13<mm>Hi@all
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15:13<petn-randall>hi mm
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15:15<mm>hi petn-randall
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15:17<mm>help for nvidia install?
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15:18<petn-randall>!ask
15:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
15:18<blast007>mm: have you checked the wiki page? https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
15:19<petn-randall>mm: ^^^^
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15:20<mm>debian 7.2
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16:21<dodobirdy>hello ?
16:22<monod>shhhh
16:22<monod>idling here.
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16:22<dodobirdy>lol
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16:23<dodobirdy>so I installed debian on my iMac and when I boot the system I get a grey screen with a folder with a question mark on it - how do I fix this ?
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16:26<monod>dodobirdy, can't help you, sorry :( I suggest you to 1) wait here and 2) try on #debian@irc.freenode.net
16:26<monod>:)
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16:27<dodobirdy>yeah aight m8
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16:30<monod>(Y)
16:31<dodobirdy>note : I was not planning on using osx at all so I installed it on the whole disk - from what i was able to gather it has something to do with the mbr
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16:32<monod>dodobirdy, oh might be
16:33<monod>if you don't need osx (mac's), I think you could just install debian all over the place
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16:33<monod>(erasing the previous installtions)
16:33<monod>yet, maybe it's not your case
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16:34<dodobirdy>I was thinking of just reinstalling it on the whole system all over again
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16:34<me_> does anyone here know how to set mount options for udisks?
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16:35<monod>dodobirdy, make sure to backup files, just that.
16:35<monod>the only issue you might have further in time is if Mac's have some kind of "protection" against any other OS installation
16:36<dodobirdy>monod, don't really need to since it's a fresh install and hence there's nothing in there really
16:36<monod>for that, you'd betta wait for people who know, like my friend Google too
16:36<monod>heh
16:36<monod>me_, sorry, can't help you with that :/
16:36<monod>not ignoring you.
16:36<monod>*away*
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16:40<dodobirdy>me_ , might this help : http://udisks.freedesktop.org/docs/latest/ ?
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16:41<babilen>dodobirdy: Is this a powerpc or Intel mac? Sorry, but I haven't played with Apple hardware in ages, but it very much sounds as if the bootloader installation didn't succeed
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16:42<dodobirdy>babilen, it's intel based
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16:44<dodobirdy>might a reinstall help this issue ?
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16:51<babilen>dodobirdy: Is that rEFInd or grub?
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16:54<william1>I had to download and install rtl 8192du driver from github because it isn't in Debian Jessie. The kernel update to 3.12 broke it so I booted to 3.11. insmod under 3.12 says invalid module format.
16:54<valdyn>!insmod
16:54<dpkg>Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"? modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under Linux 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? Ask me about <modprobe>.
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16:55<valdyn>aha, its a symlink to the same program now, nvm
16:55<william1>well I tried modprobe as well after copying the ko file to the new lib location. insmod definitely does exist.
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16:56<valdyn>william1: "doesn't exist" just means "unsafe", not to be taken literally
16:56<william1>So I will try to go to github and rerun the make and make install and all that, but wanted to see if anyone knows about it.
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16:56<william1>valdyn: how do I get it to load?
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16:57<ookla>huhu
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16:57<ookla>anyone give me the name of the package for legacy drivers from ati ?
16:57<ookla>for the latest grafic cards?
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16:58<valdyn>william1: not at all, you are not supposed to use kernel modules from one kernel version in a different kernel version
16:58<dodobirdy>babilen, I installed refind on mac prior to debian installation
16:58*ookla *please*
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16:58<william1>So with any of these packages (just this 1 for me) I have to make sure to reinstall it everytime the kernel updates?
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16:59<dodobirdy>babilen and then debian installed grub
16:59<petn-randall>ookla: ATI dropped support for them, they're covered by the open-source drivers now.
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17:00<william1>valdyn: ok I'm going to reboot and try it then. Thanks.
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17:01<petn-randall>ookla: xserver-xorg-video-ati is the X11 driver you're looking for.
17:01<digitsm__>Hello
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17:01<digitsm__>How could I suspend or hibernate my debian (testing)?
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17:02<digitsm__>in command line
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17:02<petn-randall>digitsm__: pm-suspend, and pm-hibernate. If you have questions that are specific to testing, it's best if you go to #debian-next, where jessie/sid are supported.
17:03<digitsm__>Thanks. But pm-suspend doesn't work. Which package should I install?
17:04<digitsm__>petn-randall: Thank it worked.
17:04<me_>dodobirdy: thanks for the link... it's pretty in depth info though... needed something a little more n00b friendly.
17:04<petn-randall>digitsm__: You're welcome.
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17:05<digitsm__>I didn't run it as sudo. But it didn't issue any message that "the command you want is in /sbin and you should run it as root"! Anyway it brought my pc to suspend mode very fast :D
17:05<me_>dodobirdy: basically, I want udisks to set committ=300 whenever it mounts a drive. was hoping someone knew a simple config option.
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17:06<dodobirdy>me_ lol sorry it's the best I could do m8 - I'm pretty n00bish myself
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17:11<ookla>thank you petn-randall
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17:11<ookla>i just read your msg now
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17:12<ookla>thank you petn-randall but ive installed them allready , and my gnome is in fallback mode why?
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17:25<petn-randall>ookla: Can you please paste the output of 'glxinfo' to http://paste.debian.net?
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17:28<ookla>petn-randall, its only 2 lines
17:28<ookla>can i paste it here ?
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17:30<petn-randall>ookla: ok
17:30<ookla>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/00dbe3ed/
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17:31<petn-randall>ookla: How did you install gnome?
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17:31<ookla>with fglrx
17:31<ookla>proprietarys
17:31<ookla>i want to use now the legacy ones
17:32<ookla>to play lol under wine
17:32<ookla>:P
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17:35<petn-randall>!enter
17:35<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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17:36<petn-randall>ookla: Did you install the gnome-core metapackage?
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17:37<ookla>nope
17:38<ookla>All i did was install from netinstall boot cd desktop enviroment
17:39<sney>so task-gnome-desktop which depends on gnome-core among other things
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17:40<petn-randall>ookla: run 'apt-get install gnome-core' as root, does it ask to install new packages?
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17:41<ookla>petn-randall Yes, it does.
17:42<ookla>Thank you :)
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17:44<petn-randall>ookla: if you install 'gnome', too, you'll get the complete set. Apparently something went wrong during the installation, you didn't fully install gnome.
17:45<petn-randall>ookla: You're welcome, glad I could help.
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17:53<dodobirdy>ok so now it boots into grub and then it shows that one screen where you chose your boot mode (debian and debian recovery) and finally it goes into a screen where it says "no controller found" it then proceeds to load a whole bunch of stuff and the last thing I am able to make out before it goes dark is [warn] and [warning] in orange letters HALP
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17:55<sney>dodobirdy: if you choose the 'recovery' option, do you get a root shell?
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18:42<me>asked this on freenode with no luck: is there a way to print the specific algorithms used to encrypt a file? for example, I have selected sha215 and aes256 as default options in gpg.conf. I was to confirm that my encrypted files are actually using these settings
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18:49<petn-randall>me: decrypt them and set gpg to verbose?
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18:50<Ronny>Hello?
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18:51<me>petn: thanks. I'll try that.
18:51<petn-randall>Hello Ronny, you have reach Debian stable tech support. How may we help you?
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18:51<Ronny>Uh, what?
18:51<Ronny>Wait, why can't I see my words?
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18:53<Ronny>What is happening?
18:53<petn-randall>me: You're welcome.
18:53<sney>Ronny: we can see your words. maybe you have a color setting that's hiding them?
18:53<petn-randall>Ronny: we can read you fine. Guess your IRC client needs fixing.
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18:54<Ronny>Yeah, I guess it does
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18:54<Ronny>I should probably look into it now...
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18:55<Ronny>Heres hoping
18:55<Ronny>Nope
18:55<Ronny>still invisible
18:55<babilen>Ronny: This also isn't really the best channel for these tests and you might want to join #test
18:55<Ronny>test
18:56<petn-randall>Ronny: join an empty channel until you fixed it so you don't spam this one.
18:56<Ronny>Oh, I see. Okay. Sorry about that guys.
18:56<petn-randall>Ronny: No problem.
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19:02<me>petn: it worked. and confirmed that I used aes256.
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19:06<mahollowspe>anyone know how to gain write priv to a VPS via FTP?
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19:07<petn-randall>me: Great! Glad to hear it worked.
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19:23<EnteBta>hi! I have troubles with the installation of Wheezy live kde on a vaio PCG-61B11U laptop
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19:23<sney>EnteBta: ok, what problem exactly?
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19:31<EnteBta>When the it starts installing the system, after partitioning the disk, the installation is interrupted, and I saw the syslog file ans a line says "no agp bridge found"
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19:31<Mongo44>There really is no way to create a xorg.conf file for Wheezy?
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19:32<themill>there's nothing stopping you from creating one
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19:33<sney>EnteBta: and is there a reason you're installing from a livecd, rather than using the normal installer?
19:33<Mongo44>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Monitor_or_Screens#Screen_resolution_is_wrong.2C_no_matter_what_I_do
19:34<Mongo44>Those are the instructions for Lubuntu. I don't know how to disable the graphical interface for Debian though.
19:34<EnteBta>well actually I'm using a usb stick
19:34<sney>Mongo44: regular ol 'X -configure' will generate an xorg.conf for you, as long as X isn't running at the time, and you can edit that, but it's really better to let X autodetect everything it can.
19:34<sney>EnteBta: you said "live" though. what image exactly are you using?
19:35<sney>Mongo44: and getting out of the graphical interface is as simple as ctrl-alt-f1
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19:35<EnteBta>KDE amd64
19:36<sney>EnteBta: the filename please? there are a couple images that match that description
19:36<EnteBta>and I made the pendrive with Universal Usb installer
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19:37<EnteBta>debian-live-7.2-amd64-kde-desktop.iso
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19:38<Mongo44>sney, didn't work. For Lubuntu I had to use sudo service lightdm stop. I suspect there is a similar command for Wheezy.
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19:40<sney>EnteBta: ok, that's a live image, not an installer (though it can install) and you used some 3rd party tool to put it on a usb drive? let's start over
19:41<sney>EnteBta: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.3.0-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso
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19:42<sney>EnteBta: this image is an *installer* by design, and it is also *already* a usb drive image. you only need to write it to the usb drive. in linux this can be done with cat, in windows, use win32diskimager
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19:43<grey437>Hey guys, I need a little help understanding how repos and PPA's work. I'm trying to install wine1.7, and I've added the appropriate ppa, but apt-get returns an "unable to locate package wine1.7" and apt-cache doesn't seem to have wine1.7 listed. I've ran apt-get update as well. Does this mean that the package just doesn't exist on the repos I have authorized? And is there a way to search for what repo has the package I'm looking fo
19:44<sney>grey437: PPAs are not supported on debian. are you sure you're in the right channel?
19:44<grey437>OH
19:44<grey437>okay
19:44<EnteBta>sney: ok, but is there any possible issue due the laptop hardware?
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19:44<sney>EnteBta: probably not. the installer is known to behave badly when people use 3rd party tools to mess with it. and most laptops will let you install at least, the only problems usually have to do with EFI
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19:46<EnteBta>sney: ok, thanks :)
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19:47<grey437>sney: that makes sense, then. I had googled some things on how to install it because I was having difficulty compiling it from source, and someone had said that the ppa thing should work on debian. What's the rational behind not allowing PPAs on debian? They're just personal apt repos, right?
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19:48<EnteBta>grey437: look at this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR1fgLKsltE
19:48<sney>grey437: that's exactly it. debian has certain policies and software rules that PPAs just plain don't adhere to. plus, the software on PPAs is built for ubuntu releases and is likely to have incompatibilities with anything else
19:48<EnteBta>grey437: by your own risk
19:48<sney>EnteBta: are you willing to support that kludge for grey437 if he has a problem with it? if no, please don't link such things in the official debian support channel
19:49<grey437>EnteBta: Thanks, that looks like it might help, but I'll also take sney's advice into consideration and try to build it from source again
19:49<EnteBta>sney: yes it is some kind of tutorial of an australian trying to make PPA's run on wheezy
19:50<sney>grey437: it is /sometimes/ possible to build debian packages from ubuntu or ppa *source* using debian packaging tools, but this is dependent on several things including the PPA user knowing what they were doing as well as availability of build-dependencies
19:51<sney>grey437: the instructions for doing that can be found here https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation (and not on the page linked at the top) - all you need is the path to the .dsc file at the PPA
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19:53<grey437>sney: one more question; I've decided to switch to linux full time, and ubuntu is the only distro i have any experience with. I guess I had assumed that since ubuntu is debian based, all the software would be cross compatible; is this not the case, then?
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19:54<EnteBta>and just for curiosity, you dont know why apeared the line "no agp bridge found" on the /var/log/syslog file on the live session?
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19:55<sney>grey437: most software that's available in ubuntu is also in debian, using apt as normal without adding any repositories. many other things can be built for debian if they can be built for ubuntu. the thing you absolutely never do is mix binary packages from other distributions
19:55<sney>but for most users, you can do the same things on both systems
19:56<grey437>Sney: alright, thanks again
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19:56<oldlaptop>the two major differences are that Ubuntu always uses sudo unless configured otherwise (describing how to configure it otherwise is a banned topic on their forums, IIRC), while you will see Debian systems with and without sudo set up
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19:57<sney>EnteBta: AGP was what computers used as a high bandwidth interconnect with GPUs before we had pci express. if your computer is newer than 2004 or so then having no agp bridge is perfectly normal. I suspect the failure came after that message but just didn't spit out an error for it
19:57<oldlaptop>also, Ubuntu includes only apt-get by default, Debian comes with and recommends aptitude these days
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19:57<themill>fsvo recommend
19:58<abrotman>eh, and not true
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19:58<oldlaptop>at one point the release notes said to upgrade with it, then they backpedaled or something
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19:58<oldlaptop>IIRC d-i still uses aptitude internally
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19:59<sney>well, they're both available from the start for any user who wants to make their own choice, and that's the major distinction imho
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19:59<oldlaptop>yes
19:59<oldlaptop>personally I recommend using aptitude for the logging feature alone
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20:00*themill hands oldlaptop /var/log/apt/history.log
20:01<oldlaptop>look at that, then look at /var/log/aptitude
20:01<oldlaptop>tell me which is more useful
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20:03<themill>*shrug*
20:05<EnteBta>sney: and the cat program that you mentioned is in the debian repos?
20:06<sney>cat is already in debian, period
20:06<EnteBta>by terminal?
20:06<oldlaptop>any unix system without cat is beyond all help
20:06<sney>you plug your usb drive in, you open a terminal, you 'cat debian-7.3-etc.iso > /dev/sdX' where sdX is your usb drive
20:06<EnteBta>ok
20:07<oldlaptop>in debian's case it's in coreutils, which is marked Essential (that is, all Debian systems should have it installed)
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20:07<sney>make sure that's just the drive, not a partition. for example if it was /dev/sdb, you would cat to /dev/sdb, *not* /dev/sdb1
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20:09<EnteBta>sney: ok
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20:23<ewerton>if I enable contrib and non-free, my debian will be instable?
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20:24<babilen>ewerton: Not necessarily, in fact it shouldn't be, but I cannot promise you that.
20:24<babilen>dpkg: stable
20:24<dpkg>[stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Wheezy (7.3); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable
20:25<babilen>ewerton: Why do you think so?
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20:29<ewerton>Until now I used the debian without contrib and non-free, and now activated, and appeared new packages, in others words, I believe that packages are not official, unofficial packages can cause instability? debian comes with the option contrib and non-free disabled by default because only official packages are stable? thks...
20:30<dondelelcaro>ewerton: they're official, they just either require non-main stuff to build or be useful, or do not meet the DFSG guidelines.
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20:31<sney>ewerton: it's more of a licensing/software freedom concern. there is stuff in non-free that is closed source, so that can possibly introduce instability because we can't debug it really, but that's a minority.
20:31<sney>ewerton: if it's in wheezy non-free then it was considered stable enough to be available for wheezy users.
20:32<ewerton>ok, thanks
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20:34<ewerton>how to install polly in debian?
20:34<ewerton>what can I do?
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20:34<sney>what's polly?
20:34<ewerton>twitter cliente
20:35<ewerton>client
20:35<PistolPact>Hey I recently installed wheezy on my system. I have a relatively new motherboard (g1 sniper z87), so I had to compile a new kernel to get my ethernet working. I compiled kernel 3.10.28. I have 16gb of ram but no swap space is allocated. I have a r9 270x GPU from AMD, and an i7 4770k. With that out of the way, I'm experiencing extreme system instability. When using chromium random tabs will crash, extensions will crash, banshee will cras
20:35<PistolPact>h, skype will crash, and the system often freezes up and forced me to hard restart. I suspect it's because Im on the beta AMD proprietary drivers. Do any of you guys have any clue as to what I should to do diagnose/fix my stability problems? Thanks
20:35<Moneytalks>hello, is anybody here who has tryed to install SteamOS in VBox?
20:35<sney>!steamos
20:35<dpkg>SteamOS is an operating system released by Valve as a gaming platform, based on Debian 7 "Wheezy". It is not supported in #debian, support is available at http://support.steampowered.com/ . See <based on debian>.
20:36<ewerton>hotot don't work here in debian wheezy
20:36<themill>Moneytalks: #steamOS on irc.freenode.net might
20:36<sney>ewerton: never heard of it. maybe?
20:36<Moneytalks>thanks mill
20:37<sney>PistolPact: well, if you think it's fglrx's fault, try using radeon for a few hours to see if your system stabilizes.
20:37<sney>PistolPact: also, there's a 3.12 kernel in wheezy-backports, consider using that instead of the one you built yourself
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20:41<PistolPact>sney: Thanks for the advice. I think I'll uninstall the proprietary drivers and see if the instability insists.
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21:08<EnteBta>where I can know the architecture of my processor?
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21:10<me>PistolPact: start out using only free software. On one of my machines everything was working fine until I installed skype... then it got real buggy and firefox crashed a lot...
21:10<me>try jitsi instead of skype.
21:11<me>*iceweasel
21:13<chealer>EnteBta: before installing Debian?
21:14<EnteBta>yes
21:14<EnteBta>chealer: my processor is an AMD E2
21:14<chealer>EnteBta: did you check http://www.debian.org/ports/ ?
21:15<chealer>EnteBta: that's x86-64
21:16<EnteBta>chealer: thanks
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21:21<EnteBta>chealer: would you recommend universal usb installer for the elaboration of the boot stick?
21:22<EnteBta>chealer: this one http://www.pendrivelinux.com/
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21:26<chealer>EnteBta: I don't know that. please ask the channel anyway
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21:28<EnteBta>ok
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21:37<scirvir>Identity scirvir
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21:59<abrotman>this is like Where's Waldo?
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22:44<neo1691>Hello everyone. I am trying to get a folder shared between two debian computers connected in a network. But I am not able to. Can somebody please guide me?
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22:44<Infiltrator>neo1691: Which kind of sharing are you after and what have you already tried?
22:45<abrotman>neo1691: please stick to one network
22:46<neo1691>Infiltrator, I just want to backup all files on my debian 7 wheezy laptop with many computers installed with debian 7, All the computers and the laptop are connected in the same IP range. I have tried nautilus smb:// protocol but nothing helped
22:46<neo1691>abrotman, yes all the computers are in one network as far as I know
22:47<abrotman>that's not what I meant
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22:48<neo1691>abrotman, Sorry!
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22:48<Infiltrator>neo1691: smb://computername would only work if you have samba set up.
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22:49<Infiltrator>neo1691: If you're after backup, though; you should probably look at backup software instead. Do `apt-cache search backup`.
22:49<Nemoder_>neo1691: you might look into sshfs
22:49<Infiltrator>s/;/,/
22:49<neo1691>Infiltrator, Ok I will set up samba. I want the folder on my PC to be visible on my laptop. So I should set up samba on the PC and then search for the folder on laptop
22:50<neo1691>I have also tried NFS but won't help
22:50<neo1691>It gets stuck when I try to mount the folder
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22:52<neo1691>Infiltrator, No, I want to move all my files and folders
22:53<neo1691>into PC so that I can format my laptop
22:53<Nemoder_>I use rsnapshot to full backups, but just with local drives. I think it can transfer over ssh also though
22:57<neo1691>Nemoder_, ssh 172.16.4.104 should be the command right?
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23:02<neo1691>whenever I try to ssh into a machine, I get this error ssh: connect to host 172.16.4.103 port 22: Connection refused
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23:03<Nemoder_>the machines need openssh-server installed
23:04<neo1691>Nemoder_, both the machines?
23:04<Nemoder_>whichever one you connect to
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23:05<neo1691>I'll try and report
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23:09<neo1691>Nemoder_, Yes, it worked, but openssh 172.16.4.103 is asking for password of my user on that machine. But my user is not created on that machine
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23:09<neo1691>I am neo1691 on the machine from which I am trying to log into 172.16.4.103, and it is asking password for neo1691@172.16.4.103
23:11<Nemoder_>specify the username you want on the host
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23:11<Nemoder_>ssh username@x.x.x.x
23:12<neo1691>okay
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23:14<neo1691>Nemoder_, yes it worked, now I can copy all the files and folders directly from the laptop? using ssh? From command line
23:15<Nemoder_>i recommend sshfs for that
23:15<Nemoder_>allows you to mount a folder over ssh
23:15<neo1691>I will read about that on google. If I get stuck, I will let you know! Thanks
23:16<Nemoder_>basically just sshfs user@x.x.x.x:/remotefolder/ /localfolder/
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23:17<alumno>hola
23:17<alumno>me llamo ro
23:17<Nemoder_>!es
23:17<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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